Kraft says refusing to fight the NFL was best for the Patriots

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Patriots owner Robert Kraft says that in refusing to fight the league’s punishment for Deflategate, he wasn’t just doing what was best for the NFL. He was also doing what’s best for his own team.

Responding to criticism from some in New England that Kraft quit when he should have fought, Kraft said he firmly believes that he did the best thing for his franchise.

I only care about our fans,” said Kraft, via CSNNE.com. “I did my part to be a good partner, I think. The most important thing to me is that the fans of the New England Patriots know that I’m always trying to look out for our team’s best interests now. I think this was in the best long-term interest of the team.”

It may be tough for Patriots fans to swallow that they have to give up next year’s first-round draft pick and their 2017 fourth-round pick, and somehow accepting that is the best thing for the team. But Kraft is looking to play the long game and get in the good graces of the league, including perhaps doing what will aid Tom Brady in the appeal of his four-game suspension.

From that perspective, Kraft decided that he’d rather take his medicine than battle the league.

280 responses to “Kraft says refusing to fight the NFL was best for the Patriots

  1. Best to put it behind you and move on, especially since you’re guilty as all hell.

  2. Yes, it’s in the best interests of the Patriots to cling to their beliefs that no one cheated and Jim McNally was just trying to lose weight. Going to court and having the league subpoena more information that conclusively proves their guilt would have stopped all that.

  3. Yeah great. Now any team can come to Foxboro and make up fake crap like the Colts did and there’s nothing NE can do b/c Bob Kraft just set the precedent.

    Should have fought it Robert.

  4. Not a Pats fan, but huge kudos to Kraft for backing off this and taking his medicine. Very impressed.

  5. What a load of CRAP!
    You did what was good for your wallet!
    Don’t try and sell your line of bull to all of us who supported you all these years. You left us high and dry. Left us to face unending years of ridicule from others about spygate and now about this ridiculous inflate crap. MY offer still stands. Come to m y house and you can kick my dog while you retrieve your knife from my back.

  6. billswillnevermove says:
    May 21, 2015 1:02 PM
    Yes, because they have a ton of evidence. Smart move. They have been cheating since 2001. Only delusional Patriot fans deny it.

    ———————–

    Only whiny little cry babies blame other teams for their teams own failures again and again and again.

    How did if feel watching your team make 4 straight superbowls and lose every single one of them? Or following that up with decades of being insignificant?

  7. You know, Florio is a lawyer. I’d like him to maybe expound a little bit on what it would take for Kraft to fight this. It’s not as simple as filing an appeal, like Brady, because teams don’t have that available to them. It’s expected that the NFL’s word will be law.

    The only option is to enter a long legal battle. I think it’s understandable that Kraft wouldn’t want to put himself and his organization through that.

    It’s a simple as that. It’s not evidence of guilt. It’s not sticking it to the fans. It’s nothing other than a business decision.

  8. “Wait you mean if we continue, you’ll legally obligate me to open up ALL of my organization to investigation?”

    “Um….”

    “WE’RE GOOD”

  9. He didn’t do it for the fans, he did it for his bank accounts long term. I’ve been a Patriots fan since 1960 and if this is how he thinks did something for the good of the fans then he is not going to get any of my money in any capacity for his bank accounts. He basically thumbed his nose and stuck up his middle finger to his own organization, fans and to their reputation to be buddy-buddy with the other owners and that loser Goodell. He doesn’t give a damn about the fans or their feelings, he just wants their money. I don’t see how self-labeling your team as cheaters, which is what he did by quitting, as doing it for the fans!!!

  10. Mr. Kraft, as a 40+ year fan I think you have for the most part done well with the team.

    This however makes me wonder what you did with your spine.

    You ARE NOT doing what is best for the team or the fans, you are doing what is best for YOUR WALLET.

    I am not going to spend another dime on getting anything related to this team because of it (and I have a collection that 90% of the fans would envy).

    You have lost a LONG TIME fan.

    You are dead to me.

  11. He realized his “The Deflator is The Deflator because he’s fat” explanation backfired and he was losing the PR battle. I noticed he never addressed the text discussion about needles.

  12. Thanks for admitting your team cheats and all your super bowls have * next to them. good luck this year, teams will be gunning for you.

  13. Thanks for caring about the fans. Tired of reading about your franchise cheating every other year. The Redskins, Broncos, 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys teams that won super bowls will be remembered for winning and having solid teams. The Pats will be remembered for cheating. For example : steelers and steel curtain. Dolphins and perfection. Patriots and cheaters.

  14. He only cares about his fans.
    Do you buy that Pats Nat*on?
    Wonder what advise he will give Brady?
    Discuss……

  15. I think we’d have to redefine what is meant by “best for the Patriots.” It seems like he’s equating his position of prominence among the owners as being good for the Patriots. On the other hand, I don’t think letting a miscarriage of justice sit is in the best interests of anyone, let alone his team’s fans.

  16. Kraft did it for himself. It’s easier to roll over than to fight a long, draining battle.

    I think we Patriot fans would have supported him if he had only got the NFL to admit it was wrong of them to allow false PSI numbers to go uncorrected. Fact is that report was taken as indisputable evidence the Patriots were guilty.
    Goodell deferring to Wells when asked about this was inexcusable. He knows Wells didn’t investigate the NFL leak, and would never have castigated the NFL even if he had his own opinion on the matter. Goodell acts like we don’t known the report was not an arm’s length, independent investigation.

  17. I kick myself think of all the years I worked two jobs so that I could have season tickets….among the most expensive in the NFL , and then have you give us the one finger salute.

  18. He turned his back on not only his own team but all of the fans who backed him!!! It is a cowards move and no matter what spin he tries to put on it the people in the NE area will never forget how “one of their own” started a fight and then ran and let them take the beating!!!!

  19. Kraft standing down and quitting the saber rattling was absolutely the right thing to do!! Instead of acting like an ass and pitching a tantrum, he should have remembered what happened with both the Cowboys and Redskins a few years ago.

    Both Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder had even GREATER legitimate reasons to fight and start a legal war over the penalties imposed on them for violating the ‘spirit of the cap’ during the year there was no cap – an absolutely RIDICULOUS ruling from the NFL that set BOTH teams backwards by stripping cap space from them, based on the crime of treating a non-cap year as, you know, a non-cap year… …both owners backed down for good of the league (even though they had every right to be pissed!!), and Kraft needed to shut his mouth on this just like they did.

  20. The NFL offices are corrupt and definitely the Goodell underlings are anti Patriot. So what was Kraft to do after these corrupt clowns put the fix in using Ted ‘the angry elf’ Wells. Brady will take them to the mat and win. Once the slanted report gets into a real court instead of the clown court of the NFL they will laugh at how inept it is.
    FREE TOM BRADY!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Sounds like we can expect the quid pro quo to take effect now. Come on Kraft…we aren’t morons. You backing off stinks more than dead fish. Looks like next next thing we will see is Brady’s suspension reduced plus no punishment for Belichic either. Your SB hopes are still strong. Maybe that was what was “best for Patriots fans” was preserving this years SB hopes since Brady and possibly Belichic will be retiring sooner than later. Kraft is so full of it and he thinks we’re all stupid

  22. The only reason why it would be best for the Patriots is because he knows more will come about. How could being fined $1M AND a 1st round draft pick AND a 4th round draft pick best for the Patriots? I don’t think it is especially if you supposedly did nothing wrong.

  23. Kraft thinks not appealing is good for the Patriots. Kraft thinks Roger Goodell is good for the NFL.

  24. At the beginning of this week, Kraft had Roger Gooddell on the ropes, public sentiment was definitely running against Gooddell, and everyone was anxious to see Kraft take this to a neutral arbitrator.

    Then, all of a sudden, the defiant Bob Kraft caved.

    Every Patriots fan wants to know WHY???

    If Kraft has a back-pocket deal worked out to exonerate Brady, then we can accept that; absent that, this was a horrible decision.

    Today, every single “hater” believes that Kraft gave in because Gooddell had the goods on him, which he DIDN’T! But public perception will forever be that the Patriots were GUILTY, when the Wells Report itself doesn’t prove that a single ball was deflated below what it SHOULD HAVE BEEN, accounting for the weather.

    Thanks for vindicating the trolls, Mr. Kraft.

  25. enough of this madness already ..they could make us play with a bowling ball next season & we’d still decimate all of your sorry teams

  26. Winning does not equal cheating. All we do is win and it kills you. All you do is WAHH WAHH WAHH!

    WE ARE BETTER!

    GO PATS!

  27. He let it stand because he knows the Patriots got off easy. They should have had their title stripped and lost multiple first-round picks.

  28. The NFL should take the money they receive for fines and give it to charity…. Alright I almost said that with a straight face.

  29. They probably agreed to lower Brady’s suspension to two games. That way he loses $1M that will make up for the $1M he was fined and give Brady 14 games instead of just 12.

  30. I guess some of us went to school and still dont understand what you read in the report no evidence. The commissional did not answer those questions yesterday about well report Kraft made it must easy for the nfl.you know Roger talk to kraft.Patriots was going to win this case clean.lol

  31. At least he knows he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (again) and knows better then to fight a losing battle. The league came down very gently on him and he knows it.

  32. It’s annoying and intelligence-insulting to see an Owner trying to feign that he’s taking the high road here, that he’s willing to bear the burden for other owners. Kraft benefited to an extreme based on YEARS of this kind of stuff. It wasn’t just the 2015 AFCCG — get real.

    So now Kraft is trying to act like a noble hero falling on his sword, while insisting his innocence at the same time. What a crock.

    I say GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. No more preventing “the Deflator” for the foll0w-up interview. No more “Tawmy” denying his phone to investigators. Let’s bring the facts to light. Right now, Kraft gets to look like some kind of martyr of sorts – while putting out some kind of absurd pitch of innocence. It’s ABSURD.

    Belichick, the ULTIMATE CONTROL FREAK, claiming his complete ignorance of this is also comical. Really???

    And about Brady, legitimately innocent men don’t comport themselves in the fashion Brady did – nor do they try to conceal evidence. Nope.

    FILTHY.

  33. I’m disappointed that again Kraft chose money over the truth and justice. In the long run, that won’t pay off for him. He let his franchise continue to be stained. Just like Spygate played a role in the penalties for Deflategate, both will continue to impact the prosecution of any future witch hunt (and they will be coming).

    I had already decided not to watch any NFL games other than Pats games, and to find alternatives to products of companies that sponsor the NFL. Now I think I’ll forego all games until both Goodell and Kraft are gone.

  34. Robert Kraft was held in very high regard by the Patriot fan base.
    That is no longer the case.
    Kraft’s priority is 31 owners and propping up an incompetent commissioner.
    Kraft may have saved his NFL legacy but he’s tarnished his local legacy forever.

  35. Kraft certainly didn’t do what was best for the Patriots or Patriots fans. He didn’t even do it for money. He did it to stay in the good graces of 31 other billionaires so that he could keep his position in the hierarchy of the league and eventually get in the HOF and/or even become commissioner himself.

    What the old man didn’t consider is just how much Patriots fans will forever resent him for selling us out. He may have cemented his legacy within the NFL top brass, but he also forever tarnished his reputation with all Patriots fans and he will never get that back. He won’t like getting booed everywhere he goes in New England but that’s the bed he made and he’ll forever lie in it.

  36. If I was Brady I would refuse to play another game for the Patriots. He probably has an opt-out clause. Kraft knows his player is innocent, yet he chose money over integrity.

    The Eagles are looking for a QB. Brady would have great success playing with Chip Kelly and could be the first QB to win Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

    I hope he takes my advice. Philadelphia would welcome him with open arms.

  37. Face it, sports fans. It’s the fans (and not ONLY the Pats’ fans) who are the suckers. With few exceptions, the NFL owners and the NFL Reichsfuehrer (excuse me, the Commissioner)) are rich beyond EVEN the PLAYERS’ wildest dreams with very few exceptions. In short, Bob Kraft caved to his billionaire buddies in the interest of keeping the money train rollin’.

  38. If the patriot take it to court the four game will be overturned your know that. I bet Brady will play all the games this season plus superbowl

  39. Cry! Cry! Haha. This is incredible. Pathetic. Patriots won the Super Bowl. That makes 4 now! Count them. See the rings? “Oh they cheat! They do shady things! They push the envelope.” Give me a break. What a bunch of sour grapes. Take a step back and listen to yourselves. This is the NFL people. Can’t wait for #5, cause that is going to be absolutely priceless.

  40. billytodd2013blbaad says:

    May 21, 2015 1:07 PM

    suspension stands..and thanks for admitting your guilt!
    _________________________________________

    I’m actually on the Patriot’s side, but if they don’t want to fight this out, I agree that it is an admission of guilt.

    In another venue, some guy is suing Columbia University because he is innocent of rape. He didn’t just move on. He is fighting for his reputation. Kraft should have done the same… if he is innocent.

  41. More than anything, what makes Kraft tick is receiving praise. Remember his empty ‘threat’ to move to Hartford even though he never intended to leave Foxboro? This saber rattling he did last week (Peter King) reminds me of that. Then he dropped out of Hartford (after a similar “long introspection”) and decided to to ‘come home’ and thus got what he really wanted: to be treated like a hero.

    He made the same calculation this week in SF, only this time he appealed not to the fans, but to owners (and media) who can get him into the HOF (and thus give him even more praise).

  42. billswillnevermove says:
    May 21, 2015 1:02 PM
    Yes, because they have a ton of evidence. Smart move. They have been cheating since 2001. Only delusional Patriot fans deny it.

    joetoronto says:
    May 21, 2015 1:03 PM
    Best to put it behind you and move on, especially since you’re guilty as all hell.

    billytodd2013blbaad says:
    May 21, 2015 1:07 PM
    suspension stands..and thanks for admitting your guilt!

    terripet says:
    May 21, 2015 1:05 PM
    No you know your quarterback is guilty

    ***************************************************

    Yup, what’s best for the team and fans Robert. F-That, now your fans (89% of which are pissed at you right now, according to a WEEI poll) get to listen to the crap above this for the rest of our lives. What you did was lead the towns men to Frankenstein’s castle with pick forks and then told everyone “never mind go home”. Hey Robert, the league is against you. They make up rules to stop you from using legal plays, they make up rules to stop your defense from making it tough on Payton Manning, They blame you for the new extra point rule, they give you the biggest penalty in history for something they couldn’t prove, while Atlanta loses a 5th round pick for admitting to pump in sound for two years. Robert, Goodell is like that girlfriend that’s bad for you but every time you see her you hop in bed with her anyways. You have disappointed your teams fans.

  43. All you did Mr Kraft was give the losers ammo to trash the Patriots with. You spit in the face of every Patriots fan. The fact is the Patriots smack everyone in the mouth and these little BS things that losers use to try and tear them down get blown out of proportion because the Patriots are the best team in the NFL over the last 15 years.

  44. As a 40 plus year fan of this team my patience is wandering and falling very fast. Only my beloved Pats can foil a Super Bowl victory. The fact that you put your arms up and surrendered makes me sick. If he did this and sacrificed Brady also I will box up all my Patriots stuff and mail it to him…….I am disgusted

  45. There is no admission of guilt here. Just a spineless old man that won’t back his team just so he remains apart of the ole boys club (NFL Owners). Brady won’t do a game.

  46. You are beneath us. 4 rings and Brady OWNS you. Go wah wah wah all the way home, little pig.

    No proofy = no cheaty
    😦 again for you

    #EndTheWarOnWinning
    #WeAreBetter
    #NoProofy
    #NoCheaty

  47. Every single Patriots fan has to carry this decision everywhere they travel…

    Patriots are innocent… They got railroaded… got the screws put to them to placate 31 other teams who simply have to bear the disgrace of getting their asses handed to them the past 15 years. Any football fan with half a brain knows that.

    The only thing this franchise is guilty of is being better than everyone else last season.

    Ask Carroll why the Hawks lost…
    Ask Pagano why the Colts lost…
    Ask Haubaugh why the Ravens lost…

    It wasn’t cause of Spygate, deflated footballs, or any other lame excuse their fans concoct to explain away greatness.

  48. Krafty waved the bloody shirt for four months to rally the fans and then folded like a card table to please his billionaire buddies. I have lost a lot of respect for the man.

  49. Can we all move on with our lives now? Jesus people, stop letting this consume your life like you’re affected by it personally. Patriots have their Super Bowl trophies… I still wake up and go to work tomorrow. Patriots don’t have their Super Bowl trophies… I still wake up and go to work tomorrow.

  50. When push came to shove, Kraft showed who he really is.
    Enjoy being forever known as a Nancy boy in N.E.

    What’s really sad is that his faux friends in the NFL are probably laughing at him more now than they ever were before.
    They got you good this time, Robert.

  51. mister305miami says:
    May 21, 2015 1:10 PM
    Thanks for caring about the fans. Tired of reading about your franchise cheating every other year. The Redskins, Broncos, 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys teams that won super bowls will be remembered for winning and having solid teams. The Pats will be remembered for cheating. For example : steelers and steel curtain. Dolphins and perfection. Patriots and cheaters.

    ——————————————–

    You aren’t serious, right? You really believe those teams are “clean.”

    Delusional.

  52. Haha haha! I’m sorry, I can’t help but laugh. Kraft is protecting the Tedy Brushi loyalists types from making more of an ass of themselves.

  53. The Patriots “cheating” is no different than any other teams’. But they’re the Patriots, so it’s brought up by the jealous and envious. “Spygate”: taping the Jets defensive signals which the entire stadium could see and which was legal 1 game earlier. And never used anyways. Literally. “Deflategate..” Possibly letting a small amount of air out which definitely did nothing. Many QB’s have said they do/did the same. Other teams were caught doing worse last year.

    Kiss their rings, haters.

    You would kill to have Kraft as your owner, BB as your coach, and Brady as your QB. If you say otherwise you’re a bigger liar than Goodell.

  54. As a fan if football I am glad this part if it is over. I don’t see how Pats fans have reason to complain. They usually lick at the end of the first round anyway so it’s not big deal
    The money is Krafts money and he took a ton of bad press off his team
    The fines do go to charity. The player or this case the owner can choose where or what charity it goes to. The NFL keeps no fine money

  55. This is like being flattened…from being full and robust to soft and small…spongey even. Like having the air let out of you!

  56. Translation: We will manage to win more than 10 games no matter what you do so what’s the point?

    I hope BB hits it huge with Trey Flowers and Grissom this year which will make that 1st rounder hurt less.

  57. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    May 21, 2015 1:07 PM
    billswillnevermove says:
    May 21, 2015 1:02 PM
    Yes, because they have a ton of evidence. Smart move. They have been cheating since 2001. Only delusional Patriot fans deny it.

    ———————–

    Only whiny little cry babies blame other teams for their teams own failures again and again and again.

    How did if feel watching your team make 4 straight superbowls and lose every single one of them? Or following that up with decades of being insignificant?

    =======

    only boston fans are proud to root for cheaters

  58. nepatriot1 says:
    May 21, 2015 1:38 PM
    mister305miami says:
    May 21, 2015 1:10 PM
    Thanks for caring about the fans. Tired of reading about your franchise cheating every other year. The Redskins, Broncos, 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys teams that won super bowls will be remembered for winning and having solid teams. The Pats will be remembered for cheating. For example : steelers and steel curtain. Dolphins and perfection. Patriots and cheaters.

    ——————————————–

    You aren’t serious, right? You really believe those teams are “clean.”

    Delusional.

    =======

    it’s possible you’re right. cheaters can sniff out other cheaters.

  59. This never would’ve gone down like this if Myra Kraft were still with us. God rest her soul…I just can’t see her letting the team get done like that if they were indeed innocent.

  60. If Kraft has a back-pocket deal worked out to exonerate Brady, then we can accept that; absent that, this was a horrible decision.
    ———————————————————-
    Brady can’t be exonerated. He’s guilty as sin. All the numbers say so.

    What will all you Deflatriots fans say when Brady’s fumbles, the teams fumbles, Brady’s passer rating and TD/INT ratio all get worse this year, back to the levels they were before 2007?

    Not a whole lot, I’m guessing.

  61. “Yeah great. Now any team can come to Foxboro and make up fake crap like the Colts did and there’s nothing NE can do b/c Bob Kraft just set the precedent.”

    You guys are really butthurt, aren’t you?

  62. $25,000 fine.Revis is the smart one.The NFL players and teams have been sold down the road by Goodell.

  63. If you look at the NFL constitution there’s not a lot kraft can do unless he wanted to burn everything to the ground and that’s just not him.

  64. He now makes me sick. The leagues own evidence implicated them and exonerated the Pats, all he had to do in court was present the leagues own evidence! That, plus demanding investigations onto why other teams like the Colts and Jets arent punished for “violating the integrity of the league.” You blew it Kraft, you could have stood up to the league for all the fans and teams, but you cowered because you didnt want to rock the boat of your boring billionaire friends. I wont be back in Gillette anytime soon.

  65. tickawayday says: May 21, 2015 1:15 PM

    Jealous/blind hate is what fuels our Dynasty so keep up the good work. We love it!!!

    **************************************
    I think Kraft just proved to us that it is cheating that fueled (note the past tense) your dynasty

  66. billswillnevermove says:
    May 21, 2015 1:02 PM
    Yes, because they have a ton of evidence. Smart move. They have been cheating since 2001. Only delusional Patriot fans deny it.

    ———————–

    Only whiny little cry babies blame other teams for their teams own failures again and again and again.

    How did if feel watching your team make 4 straight superbowls and lose every single one of them? Or following that up with decades of being insignificant?
    —————————

    Another Delusional Asterisk’s fan lashing out at others because of his team’s cheating….very sad…

    Best Regards

  67. As a long time Patriots fan this story sucks on so many levels. I feel like a parent who clings to the belief their delinquent child has done nothing wrong… and will fight to the end defending said child.

    I am willing to admit, the circumstances of Deflategate do not pass the sniff test. Something was going on… BUT… I don’t think it actually went on during the AFC Championship game. Yes, I am biased, and admittedly my judgement is compromised by the love of my team. However, I’ve read and re-read the report and it’s huge Appendix.

    I’ve formed a well reasoned opinion that there was no tampering of the footballs after inspection of the officials before the AFC championship game. Not that there’s insufficient proof… that it didn’t occur at all. I’ve also come to the conclusion, unlike a lot of the rabid fan-base here in NE, that the Colts in no way tampered with the intercepted football that sat on their sideline. Lastly, I believe this is a completely bungled investigation, spun completely out of control, with officials and investigators wanting to believe they caught the Patriots, they compromised their own integrity using the power of their positions to make it a reality.

    I will argue my opinion on this to the day I die. I wish Robert Kraft would have as well. He was the guy that gave me faith that my opinion was correct.

    Sadly, I’ll admit that the Patriots were probably doing something, perhaps even before the 2014 season, that made league officials out to get the Patriots in the worst way. That being said, I also believe every team does something of equal “gamesmanship” to get an edge. The Patriots are just too polarizing to get away with it forever.

    As for Robert Kraft, why did he have to say anything? Everyone knew there was slim chance of him actually appealing or suing the league. It’s not his style, and there’s little chance of success because of the NFL bylaws and constitution.

    But way say anything? After all his public comments, his public outrage, why couldn’t he just let it hover like a stink bomb over the NFL owners meetings? Just say, “I don’t want to talk about it… I haven’t decided what to do… It’s still too raw… etc.” That in and of itself might cause some owners to speculate just a little bit… “I’ve never seen Bob like this… maybe there isn’t anything to Defla… hmmm”. Maybe it would make Goodell and others in the league office uncomfortable. I think it would.

    As noted by Peter King in his interview with Robert Kraft on Monday… sometimes what you don’t say that has more impact than what you do. I wish he could have held on to that tack a while longer, and in so doing, maybe Goodell would squirm just enough to relent to an independent arbiter for Tom Brady’s appeal.

    This just looks like Bob Kraft chose the league and it’s owners over the fans. It’s disappointing.

  68. Boo Hoo, nobody likes us. I feel so in-valdated. We must throw the trophies, trophies, trophies, trophies in the Charles. That would be great therapy. And then everyone will like us again. Because thats really important to me. To be liked.
    Or we can wish it all away by kissing Pats-haters 4x on the assterisk.
    I just want to be liked.

  69. I think Robert Kraft was caught off guard by the fan reaction to his capitulation to Goodell. This is the first time since Kraft has owned the franchise that its fans believe he sold out the team and its fans to Goodell and the league. I think the fans also believe he is not providing real support to Tom Brady, one of two men responsible for the value of the team and even Patriot Place (mall area adjacent to the stadium). I don’t think any bit of explanation will make this right with the fans.

  70. Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our 5 trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

  71. That is not how things work in the nfl taking the nfl to court is like making fool of them because they had no prove I truly believe Roger call Kraft telling him not to take it to court because they messup this time.

  72. 🏆🏆Patriots🏆🏆 says:
    May 21, 2015 1:32 PM
    You are beneath us. 4 rings and Brady OWNS you. Go wah wah wah all the way home, little pig.

    No proofy = no cheaty
    😦 again for you

    #EndTheWarOnWinning
    #WeAreBetter
    #NoProofy
    #NoCheaty

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    lots of proofy, that’s why kraft hopped off his stool.

    #nolegitimatetitles

  73. Patriots fans need to ignore the unimportant trolls.

    Kraft took a doormat of a team and helped turn it into the juggernaut dynasty that it is today. 7 Superbowl appearances and four Superbowl wins. No team has won more during his tenure.

    The league you destroy is your own. He has the vision and long view to know this. The Pats will survive and continue to win long into the future.

    Take the long view Pats fans, the view is good from on top of this mountain despite the haters.

    Thank you Bob Kraft.

  74. Mr. Kraft, you do realize that deflategate never happened:
    #1 If you throw out the outlier gauge (it must be thrown out), the pressures were in line with pressures mandated by the ideal gas law. If the ball’s were deflated by anybody the pressures would be much lower than those recorded.
    #2 McNally probably checked Walt Anderson’s deflation of two balls.
    Is checking the pressure equivalent to tampering?

  75. Chris says:
    May 21, 2015 1:24 PM
    Kraft certainly didn’t do what was best for the Patriots or Patriots fans. He didn’t even do it for money. He did it to stay in the good graces of 31 other billionaires so that he could keep his position in the hierarchy of the league and eventually get in the HOF…

    Agree 100%. I do not know a single Pats fan who would have been sorry to see Kraft go all Al Davis on the league and his fellow owners over this disgrace of a process and result. Kraft is probably correct that it would have been futile, since Kraft is as much to blame as anyone for the current power of the NFL’s incompetent commissioner, but now all Kraft has done is given the green light for NFL management and opponents getting their butts kicked by the Pats to continue to scream lies about the Patriots.

    Current Pats players are likely to toe the line publicly, but you sense from comments by some former now retired Pats players, such as Matt Light, Troy Brown, Matt Chatham and I suspect some others, that they would have liked Kraft to go the Al Davis route.

    Kraft has been a great owner, but he disappointed the people he should least want to disappoint with this decision – his players and his team’s fans.

  76. One thing is certain, had they gone to court the Patriots would’ve won based on the evidence presented in the Wells Report.

    No recorded pre-game PSI measurements and the fact that the Colts footballs were also under the PSI required by the rules.. that is a slamdunk!

    That NFL address down in NY would’ve finally gotten the long overdue enema that it needs and Goodell and his cronies would’ve been shown the door. Total shame.

  77. I guess not cheating wasn’t what was best for the Patriots. Or corporating with the investigation wasn’t what was best for the Patriots.

  78. Wow, major disappointment. If he’s not going to defend his team, why should we? He definitely feared further investigation and more damage.

  79. @tim8450……….You keep dreaming and thinking that. The rest of America knows better. Patriots legacy is no better than Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong or Pete Rose. Own it, embrace it. Those are the facts.

  80. I can understand why Kraft did not want to take the league to court. It would have been expensive and damaging to all. It also would have gone against everything that he believes in and would have created a lasting legacy that he did not want. As a Patriots fan I would have loved him to sue, but I understand why he chose not to.

    What I can not understand is why he did not appeal the ruling within the NFL as I believe is allowed by the league.

  81. To the hates suggesting that there is more evidence.

    You just paid around 4 million for a report that came to the conclusion of “it’s more probable than not” and you think the NFL is holding something back?

    And you folks call us pat fans delusional?

  82. I bet there is a ton of other evidence of the Pat’s cheating, not only the so called destroyed Spygate tapes but other incidents of cheating. At some point, Goodell said to Kraft, you want to go to war with the NFL, go ahead. Just know that once we start slinging mud, we will shine a spot light on the whole stinking pile and allow the public to draw their own conclusions.

    Yes, I agree, Kraft made the smart decision.

  83. im8450 says:
    May 21, 2015 1:53 PM
    Patriots fans need to ignore the unimportant trolls.

    Kraft took a doormat of a team and helped turn it into the juggernaut dynasty that it is today. 7 Superbowl appearances and four Superbowl wins. No team has won more during his tenure.

    The league you destroy is your own. He has the vision and long view to know this. The Pats will survive and continue to win long into the future.

    Take the long view Pats fans, the view is good from on top of this mountain despite the haters.

    Thank you Bob Kraft.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    THANK YOU SIR. MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

  84. He did the right thing. If you don’t have a strong compelling reason to believe you have to fight, then there is no constructive or honorable purpose in commencing with a fight. Letting this one go will help his team and this league grow stronger in the long game.

  85. So disgusted with this cowardly spineless move by Kraft and the league in general that I expect I won’t be watching the NFL any longer. Haven’t watched NBA and NHL since the 80s, MLB since the 90s, there are many other ways to entertain ourselves.

    Between the massive softening of the game under Fuhrer Goodell and this sham of a setup followed by manipulation of the data by Wells that sets a massive double standard I really don’t care if I ever see another NFL game again in my life.

  86. That’s code for Roger telling him, we have plenty more dirt on you and if you want to fight this you’re gonna eat it hard and look like a bigger fool than you already are.

  87. whatjusthapped says:
    May 21, 2015 2:06 PM
    I bet there is a ton of other evidence of the Pat’s cheating, not only the so called destroyed Spygate tapes but other incidents of cheating. At some point, Goodell said to Kraft, you want to go to war with the NFL, go ahead. Just know that once we start slinging mud, we will shine a spot light on the whole stinking pile and allow the public to draw their own conclusions.

    Yes, I agree, Kraft made the smart decision.

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    I bet the Pats have been beating your team like a drum for years. Furthermore, I bet they continue to do so for years to come. Face facts….your team stinks.

  88. GettingNoRespect says:
    May 21, 2015 1:50 PM
    tickawayday says: May 21, 2015 1:15 PM

    Jealous/blind hate is what fuels our Dynasty so keep up the good work. We love it!!!

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    I think Kraft just proved to us that it is cheating that fueled (note the past tense) your dynasty

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    You just proved (note the past tense) my point. Thank you!

  89. To ALL the Pats haters. Which of you would not trade four Lombardi trophies for a couple of lost first round picks? If you are being honest it would be most of you. And arrogance comes with success. Never thought I would say this but I can identify with all those Yankee fans I used to loathe. When you are on top nobody likes you and they all want to take you down. Pats will come out with anger and focus this year which is not good news for the rest of you. FREE TOM BRADY!!!!!!!!!!!

  90. Actually, the facts are, the Pats typically inflate balls to the lowest end of the spec, the refs mixed up the gauges, the colts are whiners, and here we are.

    I am pretty much deaf to the complaints of “Bills fans” and fans of teams that have been suffering beat downs for the last two decades. Seriously, who has a worse record against the Pats than the Bills? Anyone?

    Complaining about the Pats might feel good but only because there is nothing you can do the help your own hapless team, nothing at all. Sorry for that.

    Try as you might, there is no shame in being a Pats Fan, none whatsoever. Just ask Seattle.

    The Krafts will reign over the league long after Goodell is gone and forgotten.

    Reigning Superbowl champs.

  91. To the hates suggesting that there is more evidence.

    You just paid around 4 million for a report that came to the conclusion of “it’s more probable than not” and you think the NFL is holding something back?

    And you folks call us pat fans delusional?
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    Well ole Sideshow Bob Kraft certainly pulled a 180 once he talked with Roger face to face, so ya I think there may be things that have been held back.

    If not, then please explain your Owner’s about face and willingness to accept the penalties for being caught Cheating.

    And yes, we all think you Pats fans are delusional…

    Best Regards

  92. I will always be a fan of Coach Belichick and I will always consider Brady the greatest quarterback to play the game (to date), but Kraft’s cowardice in the face of injustice has led me to abandon my support for the Patriots franchise.

    His actions have legitimized the suspicions of those that question the integrity of the team, whether through blind hatred or having been convinced by the biased Wells report. Mr. Kraft has put the interests of his billionaire buddies ahead of those of the fans that support his team and I would quite frankly feel foolish to continue supporting him in the face of such blatant treachery.

    I’m not a bandwagon fan, so if I can’t root for the Patriots in good conscience, I have no interest in following the NFL at all. I will sincerely miss watching the games and playing fantasy football with my friends, but the anger and disgust I feel every time I am reminded of his craven capitulation will prevent me from ever enjoying anything pertaining to the NFL ever again.

    I will continue to follow this site until the resolution of Brady’s appeal, as I would like to see Goodell answer for his slander, but at this point the only thing that would allow me to return to the NFL would be if Kraft sold the team to someone with an ounce of integrity, since he clearly has none.

  93. Report comment
    kspec1982 says:
    May 21, 2015 1:48 PM
    Pats may have 4 rings but no other teams in the league have **** next to theirs.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Except for Denver….cap violations Twice. 49ers….stickem, the Steelers….peds….the Fins….Coach under contract with Colts…going to the fins.

  94. Docjac says:
    May 21, 2015 1:40 PM

    The Patriots “cheating” is no different than any other teams’. But they’re the Patriots, so it’s brought up by the jealous and envious. “Spygate”: taping the Jets defensive signals which the entire stadium could see and which was legal 1 game earlier. And never used anyways. Literally. “Deflategate..” Possibly letting a small amount of air out which definitely did nothing. Many QB’s have said they do/did the same. Other teams were caught doing worse last year.

    Kiss their rings, haters.

    You would kill to have Kraft as your owner, BB as your coach, and Brady as your QB. If you say otherwise you’re a bigger liar than Goodell.
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    O yes every team wants to be just like them,having to lie about their cheating (again) and look like fools when they are caught (AGAIN).

  95. Kraft consulted with his advisers who informed him that a million dollar fine would essentially amount to .2 of a carat off of every player’s Superbowl ring… which was acquired about 100 days prior to the 293 page report about football inflation levels were investigated… which allowed the NFL to run their Superbowl without a hitch…

  96. billswillnevermove says:May 21, 2015 1:02 PM

    Yes, because they have a ton of evidence. Smart move. They have been cheating since 2001. Only delusional Patriot fans deny it.

    —-

    No, because they have no evidence. Dumb move. They have only been caught cheating once, in 2007. Only delusional haters deny it.

    There, fixed it for you. No, no need to thank me. Just trying to help out a fellow football fan get their facts straight.

  97. What’s best for the Patriots is for Kraft to sell the team. Get a new nickname, quit cheating, quit lying and play Jimmy G. at QB. Patriots are the perfect example of what is wrong with America.

  98. People who claim they are going to stop going to Pats games because of their disappointment in Kraft are hilarious. Fans never stop being fans.

  99. Pats want to put this behind them as fast a possible. Finish OTAs go on a little summer break, pop some hamburgers and hotdogs and even pop some sausage down their throats and then come back strong as usual for the season.

  100. A good week for Pats-haters. Now they can cleanup all that running mascara and dry their eyes. There, there now. Its gonna be ok. You can cleanup and chat in the powder room.

  101. The trick that Exponent played was pretending that all the footballs were gauged at the same time. And then when that clearly wasn’t reflected in the pressures they say, they argued that since we “knew” the Colts’ balls hadn’t been tampered with, the Pats’ balls must have been. But to do so they had to run away from the simplest gas law measurements and create an overly complicated statistical model. Surely the purpose of this model was to bamboozle people.

    Congrats, Exponent. You’ve proven that it was highly unlikely that the balls were reflecting the same conditions. Now let’s talk about why the temperature one infers from the initial pressure, initial pressure, and final pressure implies that the air temperature inside the Colts’ balls was well into the 60s.
    T1 = T2*P1/P2

    The loss of pressure in the Colts’ balls was too small for a 25 degree drop in F. That’s why they didn’t do the calculations directly, instead doing the comparison of ‘drops’, a model that involves twice as much uncertainty as simply comparing expected pressure with observed pressure (or calculating likely temperature from recorded pressure, as I do).

  102. Al Davis may have gone off the rails from 2003 till he passed, but he would never bend over for any commissioner like this, and made Rozelle drink a lot of Pepto Bismol.
    Kraft is teflon.

  103. “The Redskins, Broncos, 49ers, Steelers, Dolphins, Cowboys teams that won super bowls will be remembered for winning and having solid teams. The Pats will be remembered for cheating. For example : steelers and steel curtain. Dolphins and perfection. Patriots and cheaters.”

    Broncos salary cap violations
    49ers salary cap violations (and Jerry Rice was nice enough to admit to stickum violation)
    Redskins Salary cap violators
    Cowboys – salary cap violators

    That is just a start…..

    “Joe Montana > Tom Shady”

    based on the precedent set by the Wells report, it is HIGHLY LIKELY that Joe Montana was generally aware of Jerry Rice’s use of stickum on his gloves, and further culpable by throwing the ball to Rice so often.

  104. cornerstone2001 says:
    May 21, 2015 2:08 PM
    Joe Montana > Tom Shady

    Uh, didn’t Jerry Rice admit to using a banned substance to help him catch the ball?

    Who would also benefit from that? Oh yeah, the QB (Montana)

  105. rcosborne59 says:
    May 21, 2015 2:15 PM
    To ALL the Pats haters. Which of you would not trade four Lombardi trophies for a couple of lost first round picks? If you are being honest it would be most of you. And arrogance comes with success. Never thought I would say this but I can identify with all those Yankee fans I used to loathe. When you are on top nobody likes you and they all want to take you down. Pats will come out with anger and focus this year which is not good news for the rest of you. FREE TOM BRADY!!!!!!!!!!!

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    …See Pats fans, this is what makes you look bad.
    You deflect about cheating and turning it into well look how many rings we have…

    No wonder most NFL fans have anti Patriot attitude.

    Basically you’re justifying the cheating because of the results.

  106. After reading comments the last couple of days, it has become clear that New England football fans are some of the whiniest crybabies in all of sports. It’s fun to watch these people rip their beloved owner and threaten to boycott, and other nonsense. Why can’t they just enjoy having a winning team? They really are beginning to expose themselves as spoiled children.

  107. eastdivide : Why is it you Pat’s fans either call us haters,losers,or wave your 4 precious rings at us in response to your team being the ultimate cheaters ?? If that is the best response you can come up with,then you are as lame as your team !!

  108. Kraft….

    Till all this went down I’d always had the utmost respect for you & all you’ve done for football & the New England fan base/community…..all that being said the blanket statement just doesn’t cut it for us fans after YOU got us all excited about standing up & not allowing the NFL to muddy our team & star player….you need to give us a better answer than that…we as fans deserve that from you….because right now it looks like you are looking to your wallet as opposed to what’s best for “Us Fans”…..I’m sorry but even though you say its for “the big picture’ for your actions to do a complete about face I/WE need MUCH more than that…..You’ve done your fan base a HUGE injustice & I for one am VERY disappointed & disillusioned as to the course of your actions….I still LOVE MY TEAM but YOUR stock has NEVER BEEN LOWER than it is now & to be honest you’ve embarrassed us almost to the point of irreparable damage….UNTIL YOU EXPAND on your reasoning for your course of actions/lack there of I will NEVER buy anything Patriots related again…I’ll still cheer for the TEAM but until you can justify to us fans why you did what you did I’ll Love the TEAM & DESPISE the OWNER…..

  109. The Patriots got a slap on the wrist. I wish the NFLPA would just sack up and take the hit as well, but they are screaming babies always complaining and crying.

  110. You aren’t serious, right? You really believe those teams are “clean.”

    Delusional.
    ……………………………………………….

    When it comes to outright cheating the Pats take 1st place. When people here Patriots they think cheaters. Not wow look how great they are but yea they cheated. That’s the Pats. The fans know it the Patriot fans know it. They are all upset because no matter what, they are always going to be the most tainted franchise in the NFL.

  111. maybe goodell kept the spygate tapes after all? Kraft doenst want the real truth being told.

  112. Accepting punishment is IN NO WAY an admission of guilt. I read this as “screw it, think what you want. We’re good enough that we’ll overcome what punishment you dole out. Some people will think the allegedly deflated balls REALLY made the difference between winning and losing, but those people are morons whose opinions don’t matter. The record books will say otherwise, with zero asterisks, until we’re told otherwise, and THAT is all that matters. By the way, remember what happened in ’07 after that Spygate ridiculousness? Straight BLOWOUTS, no mercy. All 13 teams on the schedule now have an appointment with us out behind the woodshed. See you in September.”

  113. I continue to be amazed at the depth and breadth of the denial in New England. I hate to break it to you, but:

    – Your Patriots are confirmed cheaters… not once but twice. Even your once-defiant owner has acknowledged this.

    – Your quarterback (the one who lectures other teams about reading the rulebook) was caught breaking the rules to get a leg up on the competition. There’s no question that it had an impact on the outcome of games (let’s not pretend it only happened in the Indianapolis game), including the 2014 AFC Divisional game last year, which the Ravens likely would have won if Brady were playing with regulation balls.

    – The cheating will leave a stain on your team’s championships, and Brady’s legacy, that will never go away.

    The sooner you accept this reality, the better off you’ll be.

  114. I was just as angry as every other Patriots fan, but now that I’ve had time to digest it, I just have one question for Patriots nation. What other team would you rather root for in the AFC East? I was a kid the last time the Bills made the playoffs, the Jets are a clown show every year, and the Dolphins can’t seem to get out of their own way with dumb personnel decisions every year. So take the hate guys, let all the haters call us cheaters, who cares. I’ll take 6 sb appearances and 4 wins over cheering for one of those bum teams 100 times out of 100. So get your digs in while you can haters, because once next season starts and your team STILL looks up at the Patriots in the standings, us Patriot fans will be laughing at you again just like every other year. What makes it even better is that we get to do the first quarter of it with Garoppolo so we can see what he’s made of! 🙂

  115. jcaaf77 says:
    May 21, 2015 1:52 PM
    Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our 5 trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

    =======

    yes, enjoy those trophies. they sit in the rightful place right next to pete rose’s hall of fame statue.

  116. “Kraft thinks not appealing is good for the Patriots.” “Kraft thinks Roger Goodell is good for the NFL.”

    The two points above shows that Bob Kraft is an idiot with public perception.

    Bob Kraft has now shown that Myra was the brains of the organization.

  117. wallybarnacle says:
    May 21, 2015 1:53 PM
    Mr. Kraft, you do realize that deflategate never happened:
    #1 If you throw out the outlier gauge (it must be thrown out), the pressures were in line with pressures mandated by the ideal gas law. If the ball’s were deflated by anybody the pressures would be much lower than those recorded.
    #2 McNally probably checked Walt Anderson’s deflation of two balls.
    Is checking the pressure equivalent to tampering?

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    barnacle bill, you do realize that deflategate spans 7+ years and not just a single game, right?

    well’s report = oj’s glove

    it’s a distraction. kraft knows when all the real evidence comes out, they are smoked.

  118. He is thinking of his bank account/bottom line of course, which is fully within his rights to do. The team may have millions of fans but only 1 owner and the decisions and the ramifications of those decisions are on him. Unlike Goodell he didn’t give into public opinion regarding the situation. Some of you will say the league had more damning evidence. If they did they would have shown it to Kraft immediately and the press conference would have gone the same as Spy gate.
    What some people fail to realize is that this has already cost him 1.2 Million (200K would be his part of the Wells investigation cost) also costing 200K per team (assuming a 5 million dollar cost for the Wells investigation) which I am sure the other owners are thrilled about paying. A lengthy court battle would cost him directly millions in fees and indirectly an additional sum of money. All in the meanwhile costing his 31 other partners money and pissing them off but more importantly showing the league in a bad light. The last thing the league needs is another scandal ridden season like the last one. One thing I’ll be curious as if there are any changes in the NFL head office over the summer or even when the season starts.
    As a Pats fan I wanted them to fight but looking at it from the business prospective he knows when to pick and choose his battles, the man wouldn’t be where he is today without that acumen (love him or hate him). No matter what outcome of a court battle was there was going to be 3 camps the Patriots defenders, those who don’t care and those who think the Patriots are the greatest evil of our times. People made up their minds from the word go. I most definitely think the balls were altered but no one can be 100% sure besides those who had in it and directing it to be done.

  119. This has nothing to do with the Patriots or their fans and everything to do with Mr. Kraft and his 31 billionaire buddies keeping peace so the checks flow in. He gave Goodell even more power by cowering even though he is the same guy who slapped the Jets on the wrist for tampering with Revis. How can losing a first and a fourth round pick be in the best long-term interest of the Patriots? This is in the best interest of the NFL only!

  120. goodell said i got 31 friends on my side, bring it

    kraft, wisely, backed down.

  121. Marianfl24 – Why?Why?Why? You sound like Nancy Kerrigan (nice lady). Your last post was not hateful? We dont have 4 SB trophies? And the Dolphins arent losers? How many Lombardis did Shula win with Marino? The answer as you know is **** none!

  122. It’s amazing how this has all blown up. Some people within the Patriot building have got advice / decisions on how to handle this pretty pathetic infraction very wrong. I think it all stems from the Patriots panicking and trying to protect their name because of all the stuff that has gone on in the past and they knew that this would add to their reputation of taking things beyond the rules. In hindsight they should have just said to Wells ” yes we do like the footballs a little below the ideal pressure, most QBs like to tweak the balls a little so what”. The rest of us would have ripped them for a couple of weeks but most of us would have just moved on. But now they look stupid after the deflator excuse, Bradys reputation is in tatters, his agent has no class and whole world and i do mean the World will now think of The New England Patriots as cheats. Spy gate was a serious rule infraction, some of the other stuff a bit unscrupulous. Letting some air out of the balls just unnecessary as they proved during the second half destruction of the Colts. It’s just a total farce now.

  123. Of course refusing to fight is the best option when your qb is cheating, lying and guilty is written all over the wall. Kraft did the right thing by stepping down and not looking like a complete arse even though his own fans may be disappointed in him.

  124. sully25ah says:
    Redskins Salary cap violators
    Cowboys – salary cap violators

    **********
    These were BS and you know it. These two teams, along with several other who were not punished, simply refused to comply with the illegal collusion that was going on that year by the other teams. The other teams didn’t like that they didn’t collude and punished them unfairly. Everything they did went through the league and was approved. So how can the league approve the moves, then punish them for it and call them against the spirit of the uncapped year (the spirit being illegal collusion). That’s like punishing my child for eating dessert after I gave them permission. Its ridiculous.

    No matter what you believe in respect to that, none of their Super Bowl wins were associated with cheating. Those false allegations were made in reference to non-superbowl years, whereas, all your Superbowl wins are tainted with cheating allegations and/or proven cheating.

  125. marianfl24 says:
    May 21, 2015 2:37 PM
    eastdivide : Why is it you Pat’s fans either call us haters,losers,or wave your 4 precious rings at us in response to your team being the ultimate cheaters ?? If that is the best response you can come up with,then you are as lame as your team

    Actually they have a really good team.

    And you can’t deny that there is not some level of envy involved.

    Any football fan would kill to have the team they root for have a run like they have. If they say otherwise they are not being honest.

  126. Mr. Kraft, you do realize that deflategate never happened:
    #1 If you throw out the outlier gauge (it must be thrown out), the pressures were in line with pressures mandated by the ideal gas law. If the ball’s were deflated by anybody the pressures would be much lower than those recorded.
    #2 McNally probably checked Walt Anderson’s deflation of two balls.
    Is checking the pressure equivalent to tampering?
    ——————————–
    Well Wally…..I am sure your billionaire owner, who spouted off for the last couple weeks about how he was going to straighten out the NFL didn’t consult with any experts, so your input should be very helpful to him……….

    Patriots fans = Delusional

    Best Regards

  127. I’m a Patriots fan. Bob Kraft has not done what is best for me. Regardless of how he worded his craven concession, it is taken as an admission of guilt far and wide. If I ever want to discuss the Patriots outside of New England (and I live outside of New England), I will just have to take it when someone says the only relevant description of them is “cheater”. I have no leg to stand on, since the team owner has implicitly agreed.

    Also, Kraft has made it clear that he is a willing (eager?) partner whenever the league next decides to shaft the Patriots. What is in the interest of the Patriots is to strike some fear into the league office. Instead, they are now more powerful, unaccountable, and anti-Patriot than ever.

    I understand that it is in Kraft’s financial interest to cave. But, it is clearly against the fan’s interest and I wish he would credit our intelligence well enough to avoid making mealy-mouthed assertions to the contrary.

    Bob Kraft is now seen nationwide as a man with no integrity. In the 6 New England states, he is seen as a coward, money grubber or fool (these categories are not necessarily exclusive). In the other 44, he is seen as a cheater.

  128. “barnacle bill, you do realize that deflategate spans 7+ years and not just a single game, right?

    well’s report = oj’s glove”

    Wow, that’s really delusional stuff.

    Terrible choice of an example, BTW. “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit.”

    Unless you were trying to illustrate the incompetence of the prosecution.

  129. Any football fan would kill to have the team they root for have a run like they have. If they say otherwise they are not being honest.

    Kind of like rooting for Lance Armstrong. It was fun thinking an American was dominating…

    Until I found out he was simply a cheater who cheated to win.

    We’ll never know how good Lance was or wasn’t and we’ll never know how good the Pats were or weren’t.

    Both pile up on the garbage heap of sports ultimate cheaters.

  130. In the end its the exact same as spygate.

    Give the public enough info to hate he Pats but don’t release all the details.

    The NFL obviously has dirt on the team dating back and Goodell simply had to remind Kraft of the evidence he destroyed during spygate that would have resulted in Superbowls being vacated had the public known the truth.

  131. As a Patriots fan, I can only say….keep saying it, Kraft. We don’t buy it. The hugging it out with Roger Goodell and saying how much you respect him in your capitulation speech was spitting in the faces of your fans on top of the slap in the face you gave us by rolling over on what used to be Patriots Nation.

  132. “Why is it you Pat’s fans either call us haters,losers,or wave your 4 precious rings at us in response to your team being the ultimate cheaters ??”

    Basically because of comments like this. Many other fans pile on here expounding how much the Pats cheat and don’t deserve anything they have won. History of cheating, legacy of cheating. The problem is there was only spygate.

    So the Pats are ultimate cheaters because of….spygate? An issue most of the fans who bring up don’t even understand.

    This makes them more ultimate cheats than say, the Broncos, who cheated the salary cap for a few years in the 90’s to rack up a couple of SB victories? Or the 49ers and Cowboys for also stacking the deck? Multiple offenses on some of the best teams to play the game. How is one offense more egregious than the others?

    I mean how is your perception that Tom Brady, who has been accused (and convicted in public opinion)of deflating balls to gain an advantage any more of a violation than Jerry Rice admitting that he put stickum on his gloves to help him catch better? And before you say well Jerry admitted it, keep in mind he admitted it after he had retired from football, not just before the SB.

    It gets as old for us hearing the exaggerated claims of Pats history of cheating and lying (spygate, which they admitted to and didn’t lie about) as it does for you to hear about 4 rings.

    As a Pats fan, I don’t care if you hate the team. I don’t care if you hate the quarterback. Just stop acting like other teams walk on some kind of moral high ground when the truth is they are all the same.

    The teams of old wouldn’t stand up any better to the scrutiny of 24/7 news than those of today.

  133. nhpats says:
    I bet the Pats have been beating your team like a drum for years. Furthermore, I bet they continue to do so for years to come. Face facts….your team stinks.
    ========================
    You would be wrong, the team I root for is in the NFC and they played last season and the Pats lost. This isn’t about whether the team I root for stinks, its about the moral bankruptcy of the Pats and their delusional fan base that goes out of this kool aide laden stupor to defend the cheating. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand but your team has a long history of cheating. Period, end of story.

  134. Mr. Kraft is in hopes that the head hunting will stop.
    BB don’t care about draft picks anyways.
    And for the haters 4 rings baby,4 rings.

  135. Pats fans are looking at this all wrong.

    You’re assuming you didn’t cheat and aren’t serial cheaters.

    – Spygate was admitted to by your owner

    – Deflate gate was admitted to by your owner and confirmed going back years by your immediate drop in fumbling numbers once the rule passed

    He IS doing what’s best for the franchise. Going to court where Kraft, Belichick and Brady can’t just decide not to cooperate would be very damaging.

    Rejoice – Kraft has delivered you from simply being cheaters to having the team removed from his ownership and Brady and Belichick suspended for a year.

    I think you should take up a collection to buy him a thankyou card.

  136. Just use the gas law T2 = T1 * P2/P1.

    Plug in the appropriate values for T1, P2, and P1 using what is in the Wells’ report and you’ll find out that the expected temperature for the Pats’ footballs is in the low 50s and the expected temperature of the Colts’ footballs is in the mid 60s.

    Really, this is pretty basic science. The officials tested the Pats’ footballs first, then they re-inflated them and gauged them, and only then did they test the Colts’ footballs. Since the “ran out of time” as it says in the report, they only tested four of those balls before leaving the locker room for the second half.

    The fact that the Colts’ footballs warmed up for 5-10 minutes implies that the air inside them would be much warmer, making a direct comparison like you see in Appendix A inappropriate. To see what actually happened you should look at figures 24-29 (roughly) and remember that the Patriots’ footballs were gauged first and the Colts’ footballs were gauged last. You can see by the charts in the Wells report that the pressure inside the balls increases dramatically as they warm up.

    Against this argument we have a lot of name-calling and absurd accusations.

  137. Benedict Bob, I hope your hugs from Roger made you feel better because your act of treason has offended the entire New England region. You let a Roger and his Jet fan boys in the league office rape your team on a made up charge of cheating.

    The science in the Wells report proved that Brady was innocent and after all the money Brady has made for you, you abandoned him when he needed you most. All for hugs from Roger! The very thought makes me sick. I’d have more respect for you if you moved the team St. Louis.

  138. Why does this surprise you? Kraft, like every NFL owner, including the owner of the team I love, doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about us. We are dollar signs to them, and if half of all Pats fans are willing to burn your $150 jerseys in effigy and never buy another game ticket, guess what? Bob Kraft will still be a billionaire. You all spent months defending Kraft and Brady from internet trolls. Time to close the browser, go outside, and get some perspective.

  139. Wait I thought until yesterday Robert Kraft was the best owner in the NFL and we were all jealous because our owners weren’t able to run as successful of a franchise.

    You guys are just walking all over yourselves

  140. higheriqthanyou says:
    May 21, 2015 3:15 PM
    Any football fan would kill to have the team they root for have a run like they have. If they say otherwise they are not being honest.

    Kind of like rooting for Lance Armstrong. It was fun thinking an American was dominating…

    Until I found out he was simply a cheater who cheated to win.

    We’ll never know how good Lance was or wasn’t and we’ll never know how good the Pats were or weren’t.

    Both pile up on the garbage heap of sports ultimate cheaters.


    Please comparing a little bit of air “possible maybe” taken out of a ball is not the same as steroids.

    It’s to much pine tar on a bat or a hockey stick with to much of a curve.

    This whole story is an overreaction. If it was any other team no one would care.

  141. pdalton04 says:
    May 21, 2015 2:49 PM
    I was just as angry as every other Patriots fan, but now that I’ve had time to digest it, I just have one question for Patriots nation. What other team would you rather root for in the AFC East? I was a kid the last time the Bills made the playoffs, the Jets are a clown show every year, and the Dolphins can’t seem to get out of their own way with dumb personnel decisions every year. So take the hate guys, let all the haters call us cheaters, who cares. I’ll take 6 sb appearances and 4 wins over cheering for one of those bum teams 100 times out of 100. So get your digs in while you can haters, because once next season starts and your team STILL looks up at the Patriots in the standings, us Patriot fans will be laughing at you again just like every other year. What makes it even better is that we get to do the first quarter of it with Garoppolo so we can see what he’s made of! 🙂

    Robert Kraft doesn’t care to fight for his team; why should we root for them. Thanks to Kraft, if the Pats ever win another trophy and they get the inevitable ‘cheaters’ thrown at them, all Pats fans can do is shake their heads and say…”if Kraft agrees with that, who am I to argue”….and I was such a rabid fans, people were actually afraid to watch games with me —no more.

  142. Wow… the haters and trolls must just line up waiting for the next patriots post. Half of the comments here are from people who probably just joined PFT to bash the Pats.

    BTW…. throwing your trashy comments, and personal attacks at the players and ownership, make you just as weak minded as the mindless Pats fan who choose to wave the Lombardis, and deny even looking at the evidence.

    Everyone should just cool it. No amount of rhetoric is going to change what happened, or what happens next.

    As a Pats fan, I am at peace with however it works out. If Tom knew, or even if he directed it, it still doesn’t amount to diddly compared to some of the other issues at hand in the NFL. If the fan base brought as much thought and public pressure to bear on the concussion issue, everyone would be a lot better off.

    Just my two cents. Bash away…….

  143. “whereas, all your Superbowl wins are tainted with cheating allegations and/or proven cheating.”

    Let’s keep in mind that I don’t play football so I don’t have any Superbowl wins. The Patriots Superbowl wins, which ones were tainted with cheating exactly?

    Spygate was 2007, the notifications from the league went out in 2006.

    Pats won 2001, 2003, and 2004. Which ones were tainted?

    And while you believe that Brady cheated in 2014, but the only thing the NFL has proven is that not only didn’t their own referees not take air pressure measurements very seriously until the Pats were accused, but that most of the cold weather games ever played have been out of compliance with the air pressure rule. I mean if you want to defend the skins and boys for being unfairly targeted, this particular case falls into the same realm. THE NFL DIDN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT the air pressure in footballs until it was the Patriots accused, and the mob mentality fans screaming for blood based on inaccurate reporting.

  144. flash1287 says:
    May 21, 2015 3:01 PM
    marianfl24 says:
    May 21, 2015 2:37 PM
    eastdivide : Why is it you Pat’s fans either call us haters,losers,or wave your 4 precious rings at us in response to your team being the ultimate cheaters ?? If that is the best response you can come up with,then you are as lame as your team

    Actually they have a really good team.

    And you can’t deny that there is not some level of envy involved.

    Any football fan would kill to have the team they root for have a run like they have. If they say otherwise they are not being honest.
    ________________________________________
    My team has 5 super bowl rings and has never been caught cheating.

    I am not jealous of a team that has embraced a culture of cheating and cutting corners for 15 years.

  145. giantsvb says:
    May 21, 2015 3:14 PM

    Bob Kraft is now seen nationwide as a man with no integrity. In the 6 New England states, he is seen as a coward, money grubber or fool (these categories are not necessarily exclusive). In the other 44, he is seen as a cheater.
    ———————————————————–
    Totally agree.

    Let’s see what Brady does now. If he takes it to the courts maybe Kraft had a plan afterall to fight back in a venue where the team actually had a chance.

    The only way an owner can fight the league is tantamount to suing the other 31 owners and risking being voted out of the league. But a player like Brady has recourse he can pursue.

  146. Bob Kraft : I have 4 billion dollars. Fans are like plankton to me. Give me more money! Give me more money! I am invincible!

    Fans : Burn in hell, Kraft
    .

  147. GettingNoRespect says:
    May 21, 2015 3:00 PM

    sully25ah says:
    Redskins Salary cap violators
    Cowboys – salary cap violators

    **********
    These were BS and you know it.
    *****

    I agre these were BS! So is Deflategate! So is Bountygate! Skins, Comboys, Pats and Saints got SCREWED!

  148. Pat’s fans don’t get it. Kraft knows the team is guilty…Pat’s fans only convince themselves the team isn’t guilty. Deluded NE fans much?

  149. as a long time die hard patriots fan i don’t have a problem swallowing the 2 draft picks the million dollar fine or even the 4 game brady suspension . the patriots will be just fine as long as bill is at the helm . i have trouble with the precedent of the league giving out such a large punishment without evidence all based on a wells report that has more holes than the titanic . the league went nuclear on the patriots because the botched the ray rice case and public was crying to punish the pats because their teams can’t beat them on the field . the league has become professional wrestling goodell need to go for the integrity of the game !

  150. skawh says:
    May 21, 2015 3:44 PM
    Pat’s fans don’t get it. Kraft knows the team is guilty…Pat’s fans only convince themselves the team isn’t guilty. Deluded NE fans much?


    You mean guilty like your team full of Ped users.

    Oh the hypocrisy

  151. If only the ‘Deflator’ called himself the ‘Ideal Gas Law Professor’ the Pats might have got away with it but he didn’t and they didn’t. Didn’t help that Shady then began a BFF text exchange once news broke on this.

    Sometimes, like with Martha Stewart, the true cost of the charade can’t be foreseen. Kraft did the right thing, gets to keep some semblance of innocence and deniability without going through a process of which a quite probable outcome would blow those two elements up.

    Maybe a million in chump change and two draft picks would look like a good deal six months from now, more probably than not he did the right thing for his team and the fans

  152. Pats fans’ stages of grief…

    1 – Denial –

    “The Pats didn’t do anything wrong”
    “Indy is going to have to give up draft picks”

    2 – Anger

    “The report is wrong”
    “Brady and Kraft are going to destroy the NFL in court”

    3 – Depression

    “Kraft abandoned us”
    “We’re tainted forever now”

    4 – Acceptance

    Don’t worry Pats, it’ll come. Some day you’ll be able to look back and agree that yes, it was fun, but your team cheated and all your fun was tainted.

    It is like losing your virginity to a hooker – you thought she really loved you but…

  153. “My team has 5 super bowl rings and has never been caught cheating.

    I am not jealous of a team that has embraced a culture of cheating and cutting corners for 15 years.”

    So you either root for the Cowboys or the 49ers.

    49ers – Well if Jerry Rice used stickum, and he says that he did, your team cheated. Don’t forget cap violations and PED issues throughout their dynastic era.

    Cowboys – PEDs throughout the 90s. Even a report the whole team was using drugs only approved for horses. If members of your team used PEDs they cheated.

    I am sorry, because it was YOUR team, those couldn’t have been cheating. It was just a misunderstanding. No wait everyone was doing it… no wait it didn’t matter as much then…no wait….

  154. How do you deniers discount the text messages?

    Face it, if the Pats were “innocent”, they’d still be fighting the charges. Their Lance Armstrong approach didn’t work and it blew up in their faces. Now Kraft finally admitted their wrongdoing but “disagreed with Goodell” not the charges. Ergo, they were guilty and know it. Only the most duped Pats fans believe otherwise.

  155. Well, at least you moved everyone past the controversy and kept your mouth shut, right Mr. Kraft? No, it is going to be like this forever — people ignore Jerry Sticky Rice or the Broncos repeatedly caught greasing up all their linebackers under Shanahan, because you roll over every time. Soft target.

    Much of this played out on the Patriots Facebook page, where the fan revolt was swift and vicious. The team responded by following Kraft’s statement with a series of cutesy non sequitur YouTube videos to try to placate everyone. It was the visual equivalent of a website crapping it’s pants in public.

    – lifelong Pats fan

  156. vozki says:
    May 21, 2015 2:03 PM
    To the hates suggesting that there is more evidence.
    You just paid around 4 million for a report that came to the conclusion of “it’s more probable than not” and you think the NFL is holding something back?
    And you folks call us pat fans delusional?
    ****

    Yes.
    Because if you had evidence that would really shake people’s confidence in the integrity of the game, you wouldn’t put it in a public report.
    You pull Kraft aside, discretely hand him a manila envelope, and tell him fighting this will hurt you a LOT more than taking your medicine.

    The only other explanation is a backroom deal. We’ll find out soon enough.

    #juststopcheating

  157. ________________________________________
    My team has 5 super bowl rings and has never been caught cheating.

    I am not jealous of a team that has embraced a culture of cheating and cutting corners for 15 years.

    So there are 2 teams with 5 rings. The 49ers and the Cowboys

    49ers- fined and lost draft picks for cheating the cap and stashing players on IR. Oh year, Jerry Rice admitted to using a band substance to help him catch.

    Or maybe you’re a cowboys fan…

    SUMMARY: Former Cowboys defensive lineman Tony Casillas says that when the team was winning Super Bowls in the 1990s, players frequently used a medication meant for horses.

    Said Casillas: “When I heard about deer antler spray, when I heard that, I said, ‘That’s nothing’. We used to use this stuff called DMSO. That’s what veterinarians put on horses, on a muscle, so this is stuff that you can rub, and we used it in the locker room. We had a bottle and you’d take it. It goes straight to the bloodstream.

    SUMMARY: Said former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: “When I came into the NFL, back in ’89, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, ‘Here’s what we do, we videotape the opposing team’s signals and then we sync it up with the game film “SO I DID IT”

    yeah guy, your team cheats too

  158. I’m curious as to why Goodell now wants to look Tom in the eyes….after all he’s already screwed him…. Godell can’t even get that part right!!!

  159. $1.75 million in fines, 3 draft picks and star QB suspended for 2-4 games. Any fan base would likely trade that to tilt the field on the way to winning 4 Lombardies. And all those fans have years,thanks to brainwashed Pats fans, of message board rebuttal to fend off the “trolls” that would post **** this,**** that .
    Belicheat needs to be thankful he will get to coach in opener vs. Pittsburg. Unless Tom throws him under the bus in appeal process.

  160. And with that comment, he teared up as he loaded poor Fredo (Tom Brady) onto the boat to go fishing on the Lake with Luca Brazzi (Roger Goodell).

  161. two days ago it was in the best interest of league and today its only about pats fans. kraft is a fraud.

    and its doubtful public opinion ever changes – the patsies are CHEATERS

  162. I’m curious as to why Goodell now wants to look Tom in the eyes….after all he’s already screwed him…. Godell can’t even get that part right!!!
    ———————————

    Maybe to apologize for not giving him the GD common courtesy of a reach around?

  163. 2016 outlook based on sanctions:
    Pats fined a million dollars….Kraft saves money by not having to pay Bady his salary & Brady doesn’t count against roster spot till after suspension…. Get a sneak peak at Jimmy Garoppallo….

    Patriots loose 1st round pick(probably a late one at that)…Bill B can now use that knowledge toward free agency to overcome that & with money they save it can be used to help offset that players salary

    Oh & lest we forget….Raise another Super Bowl banner!!!!!

    & if real lucky add a 5th Ring to Badys hand….

    I guess we crybaby cheater fans are just gonna have to manage living with that…. Oh the agony!!!!

    Go Pats

  164. bob kraft. I’m a club seat holder, and if I see you on the field, you coward, I’ll boo you until my freaking lungs bleed

  165. “bleedsoe9mm says: May 21, 2015 3:45 PM
    as a long time die hard patriots fan i don’t have a problem swallowing the 2 draft picks the million dollar fine or even the 4 game brady suspension . the patriots will be just fine as long as bill is at the helm . i have trouble with the precedent of the league giving out such a large punishment without evidence all based on a wells report that has more holes than the titanic .”
    =========================================
    I’m confused. You say you’re ok with the punishment, yet you say there’s holes in the Wells report? If you think the Wells report is wrong then why would you be OK with the punishment? Either they were guilty or they weren’t.

    The league came down hard on the Patriots because they a) were guilty, and b) were not cooperative (Goodell’s words). Plus their combative stance and outrageous denials caused the punishment to be higher. In court, do you be an arse in front of the judge or do you be respectful? The Pats chose the former and paid the price.

  166. Kessler is going to wipe the floor with the Wells Report. Good thing Brady is still fighting.

    As the days go by, more and more columnists smell something funny with the Wells Report and the NFL.

    And now that Goodell has admitted that the discipline is based mostly on Brady not handing over his phone (rather than a measure of the violation or any certainty that a violation has been committed), people are beginning to think Brady was right not to hand the phone over.

    The NFL declared war on one of its franchises and the franchise is going to win.

  167. Hey give the guy a break, he has a money winning business model whereby it doesn’t matter how much the Pat’s, Belichek and Brady get trashed.As long as Goodell and Well’s and look like White Knights. He is laughing all the way to the bank. It only looks bad when Goodell and Putin do their number on him.He just rolls over and says do it some more.

  168. flash1287 says:
    May 21, 2015 4:10 PM
    ________________________________________
    My team has 5 super bowl rings and has never been caught cheating.

    I am not jealous of a team that has embraced a culture of cheating and cutting corners for 15 years.

    So there are 2 teams with 5 rings. The 49ers and the Cowboys

    49ers- fined and lost draft picks for cheating the cap and stashing players on IR. Oh year, Jerry Rice admitted to using a band substance to help him catch.

    Or maybe you’re a cowboys fan…

    SUMMARY: Former Cowboys defensive lineman Tony Casillas says that when the team was winning Super Bowls in the 1990s, players frequently used a medication meant for horses.

    Said Casillas: “When I heard about deer antler spray, when I heard that, I said, ‘That’s nothing’. We used to use this stuff called DMSO. That’s what veterinarians put on horses, on a muscle, so this is stuff that you can rub, and we used it in the locker room. We had a bottle and you’d take it. It goes straight to the bloodstream.

    SUMMARY: Said former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: “When I came into the NFL, back in ’89, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, ‘Here’s what we do, we videotape the opposing team’s signals and then we sync it up with the game film “SO I DID IT”

    yeah guy, your team cheats too

    =======

    no, when jimmy johnson did it, it wasn’t illegal ergo no cheating.

    when the patriots did it, it was illegal. then the nfl wrote them a letter telling them to stop doing it.

    the patriots ignored it and continued to film. THEN the nfl punished them.

    it’s one thing to cheat. it’s another to continue cheating AFTER you’ve been caught. that’s either dumb or sociopathic. whatever the reason, the patriots are getting what they have earned.

    stop whining

    #nolegitimatetitles

  169. I’ve been behind Brady through this. Tom’s word is good with me.

    Maybe Kraft is right, but right now I feel like he sold us out.

    Why should we stand up for the team if he isn’t going to.

  170. @tedmurph

    ” bob kraft. I’m a club seat holder, and if I see you on the field, you coward, I’ll boo you until my freaking lungs bleed”

    I’m out of state, could you cover me by booing until both lungs bleed?

    Every time Patriots fans buy Kraft’s merchandising, you’re contributing to Ted Wells. Good luck with that!

    Boycott “Bus Driver Bob’s” merchandise!
    .

  171. granadafan says:May 21, 2015 4:40 PM

    The league came down hard on the Patriots because they a) were guilty, and b) were not cooperative (Goodell’s words).

    =========================================

    And why do you assume they’re guilty?

  172. You all don’t know anymore than I do, at this point, why Kraft did what he did. But, there is a possibility that other items not yet divulged could be hanging out there involving other members of the Patriots. In that case – yes, it is best for the Patriots that this be shut down now. It has to be hard for him, as well as all you fans, to see his beloved team in such a negative light.

  173. @granadafan the patriots took the balls to the bathroom nobody can prove anything happened other than a ballboy taking a leak but its illegal to take the balls off the field and the pats deserve to be punished for it . if the league had come out a week after the AFCCC and said 25$-$500,000 this whole thing would have ended . teams were caught doing worse this year .

  174. The league came down hard on the Patriots because they a) were guilty, and b) were not cooperative (Goodell’s words).

    =========================================

    And why do you assume they’re guilty?
    ————————
    Um…because ole Bobby Kraft just agreed. Did you miss that?

  175. Why does the NFL keep changing rules to help the colts and hurt the patriots?

    Because the Patriots have made a joke out of NFL parity and the other owners keep trying to give the Patriots a handicap and guys like manning and luck strokes.

  176. flash1287 says:
    May 21, 2015 4:10 PM
    ________________________________________
    My team has 5 super bowl rings and has never been caught cheating.

    I am not jealous of a team that has embraced a culture of cheating and cutting corners for 15 years.

    So there are 2 teams with 5 rings. The 49ers and the Cowboys

    49ers- fined and lost draft picks for cheating the cap and stashing players on IR. Oh year, Jerry Rice admitted to using a band substance to help him catch.

    Or maybe you’re a cowboys fan…

    SUMMARY: Former Cowboys defensive lineman Tony Casillas says that when the team was winning Super Bowls in the 1990s, players frequently used a medication meant for horses.

    Said Casillas: “When I heard about deer antler spray, when I heard that, I said, ‘That’s nothing’. We used to use this stuff called DMSO. That’s what veterinarians put on horses, on a muscle, so this is stuff that you can rub, and we used it in the locker room. We had a bottle and you’d take it. It goes straight to the bloodstream.

    SUMMARY: Said former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: “When I came into the NFL, back in ’89, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, ‘Here’s what we do, we videotape the opposing team’s signals and then we sync it up with the game film “SO I DID IT”

    yeah guy, your team cheats too

    =======

    no, when jimmy johnson did it, it wasn’t illegal ergo no cheating.

    when the patriots did it, it was illegal. then the nfl wrote them a letter telling them to stop doing it.

    the patriots ignored it and continued to film. THEN the nfl punished them.

    it’s one thing to cheat. it’s another to continue cheating AFTER you’ve been caught. that’s either dumb or sociopathic. whatever the reason, the patriots are getting what they have earned.

    stop whining

    #nolegitimatetitles

    Sorry WRONG!

    When did the memo go out? 2006-2007.
    When did the Patriots win there first three SB?
    Oh yeah, before that.

  177. Pats fans turning against Pats fans. You can all thank Tom Shady, Belichick and Kraft for this. Don’t cheat and this doesn’t happen. Its a tainted mess.

  178. 6 Ball I always read your posts. Interesting, even handed, non kool-aid drinking, etc. But like you, I’m furious.

  179. ’cause if he (kraft) fight more, the nfl would dig more, and more would come out. more tainted. rings might be revoked. fans might turn crazy. so much for #patnation

  180. That’s hilarious 46 , now on to something significant – a friend of
    mine s father in law was a lawyer for the NFL back in the 90s. He said all along no way in hell Pats were going to court. For two def reasons. 1 courts mean depositions which mean sworn statements covering possibly various topics. Pats have more skeletons than a graveyard. 2 going to court makes other owners angry – owners who may be able to do a favor later. Kraft did the smart thing.

  181. “Bob Kraft is now seen nationwide as a man with no integrity. In the 6 New England states, he is seen as a coward, money grubber or fool (these categories are not necessarily exclusive). In the other 44, he is seen as a cheater.”

    TRUTH.. he managed to piss off everyone in all 50 states..

  182. 46namredyps11 says:
    May 21, 2015 5:42 PM

    I love how the trolls think the Wells report is holy when in actuality it’s holey.
    ——————————————
    Neither are some of the supposed explanations by the organization.

    “Deflator” = overweight
    Brady calls = Consoling

  183. Kraft standing down is all about the NFL vs the NFLPA. The union wants to see Roger the Clown in court. Kraft fighting the league helps the union.

  184. bob kraft. I’m a club seat holder, and if I see you on the field, you coward, I’ll boo you until my freaking lungs bleed

    Sounds like you are mad. Are you as mad as the time you threatened to walkout on Obama? You are like Kraft full of bluster and chest puffing until your bluff is called then you slink out the door like a slimy snake. Roger has something on Kraft and The Pats or he is got balls made of titanium.

  185. Pats fans aren’t turning against each other…they are just angry that Kraft led them to believe he was gonna fight when all along he really never had that intent…the Wells report is a joke & so is the NFL league office…Kraft went the way of the business man & protected his wallet….probably a wise business decision but unpopular with his fans including this one….

    BUT…we did win a super bowl with regulation balls & KILLED Indy with properly inflated balls 28-0 in the 2nd half of the AFC FRAME GAME…so all’s not bad!!!

    Will be interested watching how Brady & his team of lawyers attack things on his behalf…I’m actually kinda hoping he doesn’t turn over his cell phone & Goodell upholds the suspension & Brady & his lawyers go after Wells & the League like a pitbull on a burglar & do for us fans what Kraft couldn’t do without making all kinds of BILLIONARE friends angry!!!

    Bill B knowing what he has to work with both thi year & next as far as the draft goes will have things well under control….& a TICKED OFF BRADY IS ALWYS A GOOD THING, well for us Patriot fans that is….sure hope your teams can put up 40+ if you want to at least contend!!!

  186. -Denials, deflections (every team cheats), the Patriots are just victims of a giant conspiracy.
    -Fans of 31 other NFL franchises are all just “haters.”
    -Predictions of Goodell’s firing, owners just waiting to fall behind the all powerful Krafty Bob.
    -Threats of being done with the Patriots and/or the NFL, and believing that somehow it will matter, or that anyone else even cares.
    -Warnings to “haters” that their teams will face of the Patriots for seasons to come.
    -Believing that their Billionaire owner, to somehow behave differently than any other owner that owns a sports franchise.
    -More predictions of Goodell imminent dismissal.

    —-Gist of comments from Patriots Fans, three months and counting…..

  187. landshark says:
    May 21, 2015 7:47 PM
    -Denials, deflections (every team cheats), the Patriots are just victims of a giant conspiracy.
    -Fans of 31 other NFL franchises are all just “haters.”
    -Predictions of Goodell’s firing, owners just waiting to fall behind the all powerful Krafty Bob.
    -Threats of being done with the Patriots and/or the NFL, and believing that somehow it will matter, or that anyone else even cares.
    -Warnings to “haters” that their teams will face of the Patriots for seasons to come.
    -Believing that their Billionaire owner, to somehow behave differently than any other owner that owns a sports franchise.
    -More predictions of Goodell imminent dismissal.

    —-Gist of comments from Patriots Fans, three months and counting…..

    —-

    You forgot 4 time Super Bowl champion! And all the typing online will never change that. Or all the ************* you type will never make it true.

  188. When you inspire your supporters to fight and then turn your back and run, don’t be surprised when no one sheds a tear when your opponent slips a knife between your shoulder blades.

  189. That approach really didn’t work to well for AL…
    Won the battle but lost the war….

    sometimes when you win you lose….

    & landshark,

    key part of your comment…”& counting”
    Brady’s turn…& Counting!!!

  190. Funny thing is that all you brain dead haters still think that appealing or going to court will re investigate Brady and the Patriots. After Goodell hears the appeal if the NFLPA even lets him it will go to court and the only phone records and texts the court will look at are the ones that deal with the case. It’s labor law, not the wells investigation all over again you dummies. Goodell Vincent and other NFL officials will have to surrender their communications. The NFLPA and Brady aren’t going to court about air pressure. Smarten up!!

  191. The NFL may need Belichick’s phone after they are done with Brady’s phone, then they would ask for Kraft’s phone.
    Would the following messages on Brady’s phone exonerate him ?

    “Coach, can we fire Jastremsk” -Brady
    “What did he do this time ? “- Belichick
    “the balls were Under-inflated” -Brady
    “last time you complained they were too hard” -Belichick
    “they keep messing with me, sometimes they are too hard, sometimes they are too soft”- Brady
    “what pressure should they be set to” -Belichick
    “between 12.5 and 12.75 PSI” -Brady
    “ok, i will talk to Jastremski” -Belichick

    “Jastremski , keep up the good work, Tom was furious about the deflated balls” -Belichick
    “Coach, why do you keep changing the game ball PSI ? Tom blames me “- Jastremski to coach
    ” Tom plays better when he is angry” -Belichick
    “next week we do it again, even lower. That Jackass McNally will get the blame” -Belichick

  192. Kraft traded a 1st and a 4th for 4 games with Brady (maybe 2) I love Kraft always will…he had me as soon as he said I hope pats fans will trust my judgment…

  193. ennerut2000 says:
    May 21, 2015 8:06 PM

    Funny thing is that all you brain dead haters still think that appealing or going to court will re investigate Brady and the Patriots. After Goodell hears the appeal if the NFLPA even lets him it will go to court and the only phone records and texts the court will look at are the ones that deal with the case. It’s labor law, not the wells investigation all over again you dummies. Goodell Vincent and other NFL officials will have to surrender their communications. The NFLPA and Brady aren’t going to court about air pressure. Smarten up!!

    Ironsides you’re brilliant!

    Labor law never considers what lead to the dispute?

    ha ha ha ha ha

    Then the other teams will secede from the NFL, right?

  194. After the SuperBowl victory Kraft said “WE ARE ALL PATRIOTS.”

    Mr. KRAFT, by submitting to Goodell you are no longer a true Patriot. Furthermore, all PATRIOT Fans want you to fight Goodell/Well$ and this FRAME-GATE.

    You have Deflated our hope for justice against all the slander and bull -sheet from Well$.

    You, Mr.Kraft, have become a Benedict Arnold. Please remove yourself as decision maker over the NE PATRIOTS.

    To Jonathan Kraft,

    Please take control and have your balls properly inflated to FIGHT LEVEL pressure.
    DO NOT accept surrender – Get up and fight.

  195. The Legacy of Cheating will live on forever. When people talk about the Patriots and their accomplishments, the conspicuous stain of rampant cheating will always be front and center. Nobody talks about what a great hitter Pete Rose was (and he was), nobody talks about what a great cyclist Lance Armstrong was (and he was), All they talk about is the stench of disgrace that lingers behind everywhere they go. The shame of not being able to win with honor, and pride, and integrity.

    #twiceconvictedcheaters

    #forevertainted

    #4emptytrophies

  196. Kiss the rings!!! Haters and cry babies!! Your teams ain’t as good and if it makes you feel better in life to say the only reason the pats always win for the last 14 yrs is because they always cheat and aliens gave them special powers because they are part of the illuminati!! You guys really need to grow up and face reality!! You’re acting pathetic need to man up and stop acting like a bunch of little you know what!! Take it from a pats fan I understand winning!!

  197. ranlgon says:
    May 21, 2015 5:49 PM

    As a fan of 40 years of the Patriots, I am beyond disgusted with Robert Kraft.

    All you need to know about pats’ fans…

    Love the cheating, hate a final attempt at honesty.

    ADMITTED CHEATERS

  198. Bitterly disappointed that Mr Kraft rolled over so softly, but he’s all about the money. However TB12.5 has the courage to fight to clear his good name. Take it to court Tom and push it all the way to the Supreme Court if you have to. Patriot Nation demands justice.

    Maybe Tom should change his jersey to 12.5 as a permanent reminder of this injustice. He is the greatest of all time.
    Yes Rex, you may kiss the rings..

  199. To all those who say that Brady* and Bellichick* and the Patriots* are not cheaters:

    – they are already proven cheaters with Spygate

    – look at the fumble rate over the last seven years — theirs is statistically freakish compared to every other team in the league, and guys that played for both the Patriots* and another team had a much higher fumble rate when playing for other teams. It’s a lot easier to hold onto the ball when it’s deflated.

    CHEATERS*************************************

  200. patsstinkoftaint says:
    May 21, 2015 9:25 PM

    The Legacy of Cheating will live on forever. When people talk about the Patriots and their accomplishments, the conspicuous stain of rampant cheating will always be front and center

    ————————————————————-

    It seems like you want this to bother us . . .
    I believe that you are correct, by the way, and it doesn’t bother me in the least. The Lombardi’s aren’t going anywhere.

    The rampage of public opinion will also negatively affect Brady’s legacy. Doesn’t bother me, either. I’ve watched him play and I know where he ranks all-time. That’s good enough for me.

  201. Brady is appealing & we’ve known that for a long time…
    If That PUTZ Goodell doesn’t remove ALL 4 games then to court it goes!!
    Please Roger don’t give him all 4 games, I really want to see Kessler DESTROY the Wells Report FARCE in court. & see you have to justify all the leagues bogus actions….
    I’m betting Kraft his directing Brady behind closed doors not to give up the phone & take it to the league… A Player has WAY more leverage than an owner when it comes to court & fighting the League…
    This is Kraft & Bradys power play now…
    Brady IS A fierce competator… He’ll do right by us Zfans!!!
    Go Pats!!!!
    Roger is now crapping his pants!!!

  202. I’m surprised the cheater scum fans haven’t realized that their nothing but cheater scum fans
    You can’t be that stupid…can you ?

  203. ejmat, in my defense I’ve considered both sides of this a total clown show. The report and rebuttal both have some, shall we say, issues. Both were put together to validate the point it’s writer was directed to make by the party paying them to write them.

  204. All these jealous Brady haters. You guys will never know what it feels like to have the greatest qb ever to play on your team. I love how everyone is so obsessed!!! Your giving us everything we want and at the end of the day… The pats are the world champs and better then every other sorry team in the league!!

  205. So many people getting upset being called haters. Yes, so many people get overly riled up over such a meaningless football issue.
    Lets see –
    You post anti Patriot sentiments,
    more probably than not you are a hateful, spiteful person in general
    You drink alcohol,
    more probably than not you are a drunk driver.
    You smoke marijuana,
    more probably than not you are a good for nothing lazy wallaby
    You have a pitbull,
    more probably than not you are raising that dog to fight.
    You are from a Southern state,
    more probably than not you are a racist.
    You are a Republican,
    more probably than not you like war.
    You are a Democrat,
    more probably than not you are a socialist.
    See how ridiculous. Anyone can surmise stupid things and want to bury people for it.
    It is called hate.

  206. As an aside I have a question that transcends all internet trolling. Why is the concept of ” I’m screaming louder than you therefore I’m right” still a thing? It’s really all an internet troll is doing.

  207. True talk they just hit this guy for no good reason i guess because he is one of the greatest qb ever.And the world champion so keeps hitting he will be back to win it again lol go pat

  208. “I only care about our fans.” Interesting, since so many Pats fans seem to think he sold them down the river.

    Kraft blustered, blabbed then backed down because deep down he knows he doesn’t want any more Deflategate info made public. Know who else he sold out? The guy he didn’t seem to mention during his public remarks, who plays QB. I think he’s a little scared of what that guy might have on his cellphone.

    Now let’s see if the other guy goes through with his action, or also “bows out for the good of the league” just before it comes time for discovery.

  209. Roger WILL drop ALL 4 game suspensions against Brady…he doesn’t have the power over BRADY that he does with an owner…Kraft didn’t want to become the next Al Davis where he could win the battle but loose the war… A PLAYER on the other hand can go the distance & expose this witch hunt for all it’s flaws in court…
    Roger knows he’s gonna get toasted in court & lots of dirty laundry will get aired that went down with the league so he CANT have that come to fruition so Brady will be behind center game 1 & the banner for the SUPER BOWL 49 gets dropped….
    As a Pats fan it took me a bit to understand what happened with Kraft but I TOTALY get it now…
    The TEAM can take the penalties & survive just fine but The Commish knows Brady is going for the jugular if he even gives him one game suspension so watch & learn….. Brady gets ALL games dropped!!!

  210. BUT…we did win a super bowl with regulation balls & KILLED Indy with properly inflated balls 28-0 in the 2nd half of the AFC FRAME GAME…so all’s not bad!!!

    ———

    You mean to say, the Patriots are actually good? It’s not a half of a PSI that miraculously beat the other teams in the league all by itself? Who knew!!

    But wait a minute, all the “genius” trolls have taught me that, if the weather moves your PSI down, your team would never fumble, and you could complete passes to all your receivers like there’s SuperGlue on the ball. Anyone could be a QB! I love science!

  211. Goodell said he punished the Patriots organization for “lack of cooperation,” regarding a 5th interview with McNally. Fact.

    The Patriots said that they WOULD grant the 5th interview but over the telephone (due to McNally living out of state and being a part-time employee). Fact.

    Ted Wells did BOTH face to face and TELEPHONE interviews, as stated in his report, with numerous individuals. Fact.

    So the question is.. if Wells had deemed it perfectly acceptable to do telephone interviews with others, during the investigation, why wouldn’t he accept the telephone interview with McNally?? And why should the Patriots be punished for Wells’ decision to not accept it??

  212. That may have been the #2 reason, which is the one Kraft put forth in his speech. But the #1 reason was that they had him, his team, his coach and his QB dead to rights. They just let him push the second reason so gullible lemmings in New England could salve their consciences…nobody anticipated that they would be so glaringly ignorant as to still believe any of them were innocent. Life is full of these little surprises…

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