Brady offered to help NFL gather missing text messages

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If nothing else, the NFL can (when it wants to) master the art of public relations. Sure, the league screwed the pooch in the Ray Rice debacle last year, failing to realize that a video existed and that it would inevitably be leaked. But while the #DeflateGate episode has featured many very real flaws regarding the substance of the case, the league has done a great job of getting its messages out in a strong, clear way.

It started, of course, with the mistaken air pressure information from the initial letter to the Patriots, in which league executive Dave Gardi told the team that one of the footballs measured at 10.1 PSI — even though none of them were that low. It quickly continued with the leak of blatantly false information to ESPN that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were a full two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. This cemented the notion that someone deflated the footballs, leaving only two questions: (1) who did it?; and (2) who knew about it?

Months later, it became clear that the information was incorrect. But the damage already had been done, with a curiosity instantly morphing into a multi-million-dollar investigation and the Patriots thrown against the ropes from the outset of the fight.

The P.R. mastery continued with the release of the Ted Wells report, which created the initial widespread impression that the Patriots cheated, and that quarterback Tom Brady knew about it. By the time those in the media inclined to digest the 243-page opus began to notice the warts, the narrative had been locked in by those who admittedly didn’t bother to roll up their sleeves and start reading.

The coup de grâce came Tuesday morning, when the league leaked to ESPN that “Brady destroyed his cell phone,” locking in the notion that something sinister — and irreparable — had occurred. The press release announcing the decision likewise focused on the destruction of the cell phone, raising eyebrows from sea to shining sea and reinforcing for many the idea that Brady had something to hide, and that he tried to hide it.

But like the much longer Wells report, closer inspection of the Goodell decision undermines the primary conclusion. And, as usual, the Achilles heel can be found in a footnote.

Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12: “After the hearing and after the submission of post-hearing briefs, Mr. Brady’s certified agents offered to provide a spreadsheet that would identify all of the individuals with whom Mr. Brady had exchanged text messages during [the relevant time] period; the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained. Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and should have been provided long before the hearing, the approach suggested in the agents’ letter — which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.”

In English, here’s what the footnote means: Although the text messages couldn’t be retrieved directly from Brady’s phone, his agents provided all of the phone numbers with which Brady exchanged text messages. His agents also said that the league could attempt to get the actual text messages from the phones of the people with whom Brady communicated, but the league refused to attempt to try, claiming that it would be too hard to track down the various people and to persuade them to cooperate.

How hard would it be? Goodell’s ruling points out that “nearly 10,000 text messages” were exchanged on Brady’s phone in a four-month period, but Goodell’s ruling doesn’t provide the total volume of numbers that sent text messages to or received text messages from Brady’s “destroyed” phone. At an average of 2,500 text messages sent and received per month, which works out to an average of 83 sent and received per day (with some people surely sending and receiving a lot of short messages to and from Brady), how many people was he actually communicating with?

More importantly, how many of those people are Patriots employees, how many are family members, how many are friends, how many are people who would have no reason to be saying anything to or hearing anything from Brady about this specific case?

“I very much look forward to hearing from Mr. Brady and to considering any new information or evidence that he may bring to my attention,” Goodell said last month. And so Brady admits that he has a habit of dismantling his phone when he buys a new one, he provides the full list of phone numbers with which the dismantled phone communicated, and Goodell nevertheless refuses to try to identify the persons with whom Brady exchanged messages or to obtain the actual content of them, despite the commitment to “considering any new information or evidence.”

The league arguably opted not to track down the text messages or to match them up with text messages that the league already harvested from other phones, like the one used by John Jastremski, because the league already had the silver bullet it needed to win convincingly in the court of public opinion.

Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone. 

It was expertly leaked to ESPN by the same league office that had expertly leaked the 11-of-12 footballs falsehood to ESPN.

Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.

It’s a theme that will be adhered to even though Brady made available the phone numbers necessary to reconstructing the contents of the messages.

Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.

The details don’t matter once the message takes root. For #DeflateGate, a couple of giant oaks are growing at the NFL’s equivalent of Toomer’s Corner. The first one? 11 of 12 footballs were two pounds under the minimum PSI.

The second?

Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.

296 responses to “Brady offered to help NFL gather missing text messages

  1. There are only so many people who could have had access to those game balls. All you have to do is gain access to their phones and see whether they received any texts from Brady. There. Look at all the employees. There can’t be THAT many of them. We already know of Jastremski and McNally.

    The destroyed phone means nothing.

  2. Couldn’t a transcript of all the phone numbers be doctored to conveniently leave out a few incriminating ones? How can anyone trust the Brady Bunch when they stonewalled everything else? I mean, it isn’t his actual phone records, just a compiled list on a spreadsheet? Why did Brady destroy the one thing that could exonerate him, if he were innocent?

  3. Great catch Florio – was just reading same thing. Isense a pattern that you have also highlighted.

    Prediction – by tomorrow or Thursday at latest the tide will begin to turn in Brady’s favor. Brady’s team begins to come at them both in real court and in the court of public opinion, with the former obviously more important.

    That noted perception matters and Brady did himself no favors here. It is also beyond me why his lawyers let him portray it this way. Why not just say I am/we are not providing the phone and you have no right to it.

  4. I hope he sues the NFL for the value of the Colts and Ravens combined. Then he can buy them both and show them how a real organization should be run.

    The NFL has demonstrated intentional malice several times. Despite his celebrity, I still think he has a strong case.

    The NFL didn’t want to know the truth, and facts are showing it. The haters will buy it, and that is what the NFL hopes.

  5. Like OJ helped to find the real killers.

    This charade is only for New England fans, by the way. No right-thinking person believes Brady didn’t cheat.

  6. If they really thought the NFL would spend the time and money to collect the text messages, the agents or lawyers would have already done it prior to the hearing. They made the offer to give the league a spreadsheet knowing that the NFL wouldn’t do it, because the results would have been bad for TB, otherwise he wouldn’t have destroyed the phone to begin with.

  7. The sad thing is, people get taken for a ride over and over and over again by the NFL and the media at large… and still they don’t question SQUAT.

    Obviously not everybody, but a significant percentage.

    The sadder thing is, this is happening all around us about many events in our lives, and people just don’t care.

    If the media will lie about something as insignificant as Tom Brady and deflating footballs, just imagine all the things they are obfuscating about real life and death issues.

    Shame on the NFL
    Shame on the people that prefer to be sheep and accept such blatant falsehoods

    As idiotic as this country acts, just about all the time, it takes a certain moronic mindset of the people to accept and go along with it.

  8. So the NFL goes through all the time and effort to contact and ask these people to hand over information, and they say no. What then? Like anyone who talks to Brady is going to want to implicate him. He knew darn well what he was doing with his phone and that it would make it nearly impossible for the NFL to gather evidence, while making it seem like he had an “oops” moment.

  9. The truth has NEVER mattered to Goddell, Kensil, Grigson, Irsay, Bisciotti, Wells, or Harbaugh……

    Why should it matter now?

    28-24 with NFL regulated balls. The greatest comeback Super Bowl history against “the best defense in history”.

    Enough. Get over it already.

  10. Roger will soon learn that as hard as he might try, he can’t break the laws of physics. Science is on Brady’s side and it is just a matter of time before Roger and his band of failed Jet executives are exposed to be a vindictive group of jealous Patriot haters.

  11. He destroyed the phone. That should tell you how much he wanted to help.

    You have concluded (after your site made snarky comments about Stephen A.) that the NFL leaked to ESPN. You do not know that. In fact, as a lawyer, you know that Brady’s side may have wanted to get this out to blunt the impact of the release of the decision.

    It also does not make sense for the NFL to leak it and take away from the impact of the findings.

    In the end, who knows who leaked it.

    Also, in the end, it does not change the fact that Tom destroyed his phone right when he was going to be interviewed.

    As for the supposed offer to help, none of the people with whom he texted have any obligation to cooperate with the NFL (as does Brady). The NFL also does not have subpoena power. This was just a delay tactic.

    Now that it is going to court, the NFL can subpoena and Brady will have to testify under oath -as will tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

    That is . . . unless of course Tom Brady gets smart (as did Bob Kraft) and try to resolve this or accept his punishment and move on. That not only would be best for the league, it actually would be best for Brady and the Pats. Get this over with and “move on to Cincinnati.”

  12. “…which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.”
    *******************
    Yet, isn’t that EXACTLY what they were demanding Brady do- to go over at least 10,000 texts to determine which ones referred to the issue? I thought it was the NFL/Wells who were the investigators. Why would Brady investigate himself?

    The only Problem with Florio’s column, as often happens when things support the Patriots, is that it came out late at night and will be invisible tomorrow.

  13. The NFL had it right all along. This isn’t a criminal proceeding, it is one guided by the CBA.

    Destroy your cell phone, St. Thomas of San Mateo? Then you have EARNED a 4 game suspension … and you are lucky it is only 4!!!

    SPIT!!!

  14. The NFL can attempt to spin this however they want. The fact is they can’t prove anything was done to the footballs in the first place. They through this phone crap out to distract all of you from the facts. How much of the crap they leak out there has been proven wrong? All of it…

    Just another red herring.

  15. Who destroys a old cell phone anyways? Not like it was one of those messages inspector gadget used to get

  16. Brady didn’t need to destroy his phone to kill evidence, the NFL had no subpoena power and wasn’t getting that phone even if it was alive and well, not without Brady’s consent. And in the off chance Brady did give them permission to get those text messages, they wouldn’t need the physical phone to see them.

    And the Wells report is about to get surgically dismantled in federal court.

  17. So…they wanted the league to go on a massive fishing hunt in a giant pond…instead of just saying “here’s the phone, we have nothing to hide.”

    Yeah. That’s not suspicious.

    And of the hundreds of numbers on that spreadsheet…how can they verify there wasn’t a number or two “accidentally” omitted?

    I hope this does go to a court of law…and Brady is dumb enough to lie under oath. They say “never commit a felony to cover up a misdemeanor.” Curious to see if Brady is really arrogant and callow enough to cross that line.

    The funny thing is that if he’d have admitted it from the beginning with an aw, shuck, “gee, isn’t everybody doing this?” he would have gotten a slap on the wrist and it would already be largely forgotten.

  18. Not to mention how easy it is to get copies from the carrier……phone being destroyed means little to nothing……copies of all texts CAN STILL be provided. The NFL’s reasoning just makes no sense.

  19. There are two laws suits that could come from this. The first is the one that the NFLPA will file to overturn the suspension. The second should be Brady suing for future loss of endorsement income for future years because of this slander. I also find it interesting that Brady and Brees, who headlined the suit that ended the lockout, have been the subject of league witch hunts. Brees lost a year because of the Bountygate scam-it is hard to compete without a defense- and now Brady is set to lose a year over this crap. The cartel is proving no one is too big to take down.

  20. I can’t wait for a real judge to set his sights on this bit of revealing evidence…the NFL had a way to recover lost texts messages but decided not to..because it would be too tedious!?..please…Brady need to be exonerated already..this witch hunt is over. #restorebradyslegacy

  21. Florio must have a crush on Tainted Tommy. Man, you tried, you failed, you need to end this ridiculousness. Also, when will you be apologizing to Stephen A?

  22. What the NFL doesn’t get or maybe they don’t care is this story is bigger than training camp. And that’s a shame because this is a major distraction to enjoying real football again. I miss coming to the site and commenting and reading about football. While the NFL is enjoying this cheap momentary public relations boost, it will be a sugar rush and eventually erode because in the end the truth still rests on Brady’s side. In fact, of the all the PR moves this one was the least successful.

    I cannot accept an NFL lead by Roger Goodell. I am going to massively cut back this year. I’m not buying any gear or the RedZone channel or watching out of market games. I hate the NFL. I will always love football but I hate the NFL.

  23. Kudos Mr. Florio for being one of the one percent of Americans capable of digesting media in an intelligent and responsible way.

    To the rest of you media illiterate morons….Go hate away

    Every hater in America is going to eat crow when Boston’s Dark Knight exposes Roger Goofdell and his cronies for the frauds they are.

    Repeat after me. NOBODY TAMPERED WITH ANY OF THE FOOTBALLS

    But somebody may have whispered in Goofdells ears that the best way to repair his PR image would be to target the one franchise more despised than him.

    Its only a matter of time before the courts expose this sham.

  24. Just let him play the steelers so when the steelers win we don’t have to hear the excuses from pats fans.

  25. “I shot the clerk.” “I shot the clerk.”

    Not every written word means what it looks like without context – especially to a team of investigators charged with finding guilt.

  26. This website is Brady’s trumpet. It’s so ridiculous… The guy literally DESTROYED his cell phone to HIDE the evidence, and then you believe him when he says “I’ll try to help you find all the info”…

    So if I’m hypothetically driving on a shoreline near the ocean and I’m being pulled over, I’m going to toss an open bag (of something I later claim was not drugs) into the ocean…

    When it comes up in court that they suspect I threw a bag of drugs into the ocean, I’ll just say… well, i did throw a baggie in the ocean, but it wasn’t drugs… it was oregano… and to prove I was helpful in proving that it wasn’t drugs… I even offered to help the officers search for it in the ocean after I threw it in there… so I there is no way they can claim I wasn’t trying to help them get to the bottom of this big misunderstanding.

    Because that makes perfect sense according to this website… ridiculous

  27. I’d be happy to collect those for $2mm, much cheaper than Wells.

    The most incriminating messages would be to the two equipment managers and they ALREADY have those messages. After that, you would only need to search 4 or 5 people – not a bug deal – his agent, his father, BB and 1 or 2 best friends. Surely if he cheated, it would be in those exchanges. The NFL is too scared to study those texts and come up empty.

  28. Seriously. Once Brady told Goodell that he destroyed his phone, do you honestly expect the NFL to trust a spreadsheet with phone numbers on it? At that point any lawyer, judge or reasonable individual is thinking cover up.

  29. dtp15 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:57 PM
    IS THERE NO END TO THIS RABBIT HOLE?
    ______________________________________

    When Brady retires Im sure the cheating and lying will stop

  30. Could have just paid wells again. But wells is only paid to dig up dirt, not find the truth. He works for the NFL, hence the attorney client privilege

  31. If Brady wanted to provide the messages to exonerate himself, he should have done so. He also should have done so prior to the hearing. The commish had offered to accept new evidence.

    On another note- I doubt Brady destroyed his phone as a normal routine. Pretty darn easy to wipe the data. Very questionable.

  32. So let me get this straight. Brady wouldn’t hand his phone texts over to the NFL for investigation, and in fact destroyed his phone after being initially asked to do so, but…his lawyers now say they have a spreadsheet with phone numbers of people he contacted and are asking the NFL to search these contact numbers and have OTHER PEOPLE hand over their texts to the NFL?

  33. Also, good move by the NFLPA to ‘whip’ (politically speaking) the players this time around. When the Wells Report dropped in May a lot of players took to twitter and the divided front probably hurt the union. Not a good look for the union to be saying one thing and then have union players more or less spreading the league office faux talking points. I haven’t seen much player reaction at all this time around. Looks like everyone got the message that this is a huge labor war about to unfold.

  34. Q: What does Tom Brady do when his team has won the Super Bowl without cheating?
    A: He turns off the PlayStation.

  35. Mike you’ve completely lost it if you think Brady’s offer defends him in some way. If I’m innocent I desperately WANT my phone messages reviewed in the presence of my lawyer. The messages can clear my name. If I’m guilty, I destroy my phone a day or two before I meet the investigator and then offer to provide him a spread sheet of whom I called (trust me, trust me…I’ll give you a complete list).

    How in the world did you ‘buy’ this phony offer by the Brady camp Mr. Florio? Sometimes destroying a phone to get rid of incriminating messages is exactly what it looks like.

  36. Florio, I’m sure you’d have this same reaction if you went to court and the opposition said “Well, we had the records you requested, but we destroyed them the day before we had to answer questions about them. Here’s a list of several hundred people who each might have some piece of the records you care about. You can go round it all up from them.” Oh, and they forgot to mention this for three months after it happened.

  37. peytonsneck18 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:13 PM
    Who destroys a old cell phone anyways? Not like it was one of those messages inspector gadget used to get

    ____________________________

    It a common practice of people that are in the public spotlight or in a position of needing complete security. Even if you delete everything of a phone it can be hacked for tons of information. Someone of his and families stature would be a fool to not destroy them.

  38. Lemme get this straight. Brady destroys the phone on the very day he gets interviewed by Wells. Wells asks for the phone, Brady says “no”, but doesn’t say anything about having destroyed it. When Brady has his appeal heard in June, he then tells the last league that the phone is destroyed, and then, for the first time, three-plus months after the Wells interview, he offers to provide a spreadsheet of numbers called. From this set of facts, Florio concludes that the league is endeavoring to manipulate perception.

    Huh?

  39. peytonsneck18 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:13 PM

    Who destroys a old cell phone anyways? Not like it was one of those messages inspector gadget used to get
    ———————————————————-
    Not to mention the fact that destroying the phone doesn’t get rid of the text messages. Those are stored by the cell company.

    Quite frankly everyone looks bad in this entire thing.

  40. jmc8888 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:09 PM
    The sad thing is, people get taken for a ride over and over and over again by the NFL and the media at large… and still they don’t question SQUAT.

    The sadder thing is, this is happening all around us about many events in our lives, and people just don’t care.

    Shame on the NFL
    Shame on the people that prefer to be sheep and accept such blatant falsehoods

    As idiotic as this country acts, just about all the time, it takes a certain moronic mindset of the people to accept and go along with it.

    ———————

    Talk about a moronic mindset, if you counted all the sheep that comment on PFT, you would sleep for a month!

  41. “The most incriminating messages would be to the two equipment managers and they ALREADY have those messages. ”

    Not true. The phones that the Patriot staffers turned over to the NFL had been erased and had to be forensically reconstructed. There’s no guarantee that they were able to retrieve the complete correspondence.

  42. Goodell thinks the majority of NFL fans are jealous and gullible enough not to notice that he moved the goalposts by requesting in the appeal, something they didn’t want in the investigation

    There’s no way Brady and the NFLPA are going to “cooperate” in allowing Goodell to set a precedent that he can have ANY player’s cellphone WITHOUT actually proving that a rule was violated

    The NFL may be winning in the court of public opinion – but Goodell is very much on the defensive and that’s why he delayed long enough to have his lawyers ready to file within 24 hours of his decision… a judge might not think that cute little trick is any more welcome than, literally moving the goalposts in his investigation

    Someday players – and fans – of other teams will realize what this chess match was all about and they will be THANKING Brady to stand up to what amounts to a Goodell Dictatorship

    If this gets to Judge Doty, Goodell knows he’s cooked. If Goodell had his way he’d overturn Judge Doty’s ruling way back when that granted players the right to free agency

    This is a chess match – involving issues between the NFL and NFLPA that are at a MUCH higher level than just the fact that the NFL ran a sting operation on footballs which turned out not to have been deflated in the first place

    Roger has mud all over his face – the public won’t realize it until Kessler tears Goodell a new one in court… which is EXACTLY where Kessler likely wanted this to go, especially when Roger moved the Goalposts on asking for the phone they didn’t want before and then REFUSING to make a few phone calls because it was “impractical”

  43. Lets assume Brady had texted guys like Teddy Bruschi, Willie McGinest and other former teammates during the period in question.

    Is he really claiming that the NFL should go approach Teddy and Willie and ask them to hand over THEIR PERSONAL CELL PHONES to prove Brady didn’t cheat??? When Brady himself had refused to do so to exonerate himself, but he’s suggesting that the NFL should approach his friends (who have nothing to do with this scandal) and ask them to give up their personal cell phones??

    And this website thinks that was a “reasonable” accommodation on Brady’s part considering it’s obvious he wants nothing to become public because he DESTROYED HIS PHONE??

    You can’t destroy your phone, and then claim, “I’ll help you find out what was on there, just call all my contacts who owe you absolutely nothing, and ask them to hand over their cell phones”. Why would Brady assume his friends like Teddy Bruschi or other possible teammates he confided in would give up their personal cell phones to exonerate Brady, when Brady himself was not willing to do it??

    This claim is so ridiculous that this website should be embarrassed to even attempt to validate it as some type of honest attempt on Brady’s part to “help in the investigation”.

  44. Everybody knows yes, you can obviously get records of the text messages, but the fact that he destroyed the phone is the reason…hence, he is obviously hiding something. Pats and Brady have been cheating for years. Just a fact….SKOL

  45. For an organization that said they would fully cooperate they did anything but…. I’m sorry I destroyed the phone with evidence to clear my name but trust me now, here are the numbers that I texted 10000 times….Brady’s reputation is done everywhere outside of Boston and no court ruling is going to change that. Now its to the point whether he drags down Kraft, Belicheck or others with him. His agent Yee is already covered in dirt.

  46. You’ve got to be kidding me Florio. Brady destroyed his phone to prevent the review and now you want the NFL to jump through hoops to exonerate him? You had to be laughing when you typed this.

  47. This theory further begs the question if these identified individuals had an obligation to provide the NFL either their cell phones or the content of those texts? The answer is no. Heck, the NFL likely didn’t even have the power of the CBA over those individuals. Mike knows what they call this line of reasoning in the legal world — a red herring.

  48. I could care less about all this crap!!!! The NFL is fixed anyway!!!!! The same teams win the super bowl year in and year out and then start the cycle all over again when they get to end. Now will the real slim shady stand up.

  49. The IRS and FBI do this kind of thing all the time. They can’t find any actual crime, so they nail you for “non-cooperation”. Its usually an abuse of prosecutorial discretion, and it is in this case. The stupid balls were not significantly deflated, period. That should have been the end of the witch hunt. Fine the Pats for sloppy custody of the balls or whatever, implement new procedures, but don’t pretend there were any competitive advantage or game integrity issues. There simply weren’t.

    Consider this: after nailing Brady with a four game suspension, and potentially tipping the competitive balance in the AFC, what if the promised year long investigating into air pressure in footballs reveals that there is some environmental deflation and the Pats/Colts balls were in line with it. How will the league look then? Stupid and petty. Perhaps Brady might consider a defamation suit at that point.

  50. For one moment, who cares about deflategate. Gotta say I’m impressed with Florio. Many in the media are all too willing to submit to whatever the NFL will leak without much thought or critical analysis. Which is strange especally after the Ray Rice situation wherein people saw the ignominious shadow the NFL has always cast. It would be easy to give up and pile on, especially in the light of a billion dollar business’ PR moves to destroy Brady. But no, instead the only one with integrity is the engineer turned attorney turned blogger. And I thank him.

    I don’t know if Brady did it or not. All I know is that the NFL is not what they say they are. They don’t care about integrity. They care first about money, second about their own reputation, and everything else is irrelevant to them.

  51. As part of his settlement of multiple lawsuits:
    1 NFL admits they were wrong
    2 Brady becomes NFL comish when he retires with salary of $88 million
    3 Goodell agrees to move to Death Valley, Calf. and dig for Borox and have no cell phone
    4 Ownership of Colts is given to city, like Packers
    5 Wells is made to write reports on Donald Trump
    6 NFL agrees to give $10 million in scholarships to study air pressure in footballs

  52. So not only is the NFL incompetent when it comes to investigating matters, they are willfully ignorant and not willing to do the work necessary to get to the proper conclusion. They’ll paint it as “Brady destroyed his phone, so therefore he must be guilty because his phone must have something incriminating on it.” when really they were given access to all the numbers and texts sent and chose not to do the leg work that was required to be done. They did the same thing with the Wells report: highlight the facts that fit the narrative they’re trying to put together while blatantly ignoring all the holes in the facts in that narrative.

    Brady’s representatives and the Players Association were right: this whole process was a sham. The NFL spent millions to have Ted Wells turn out a dumpster fire of a report and then don’t take the time to comb through Brady’s text records to find what they need. This whole thing has dropped the NFL to a new low of embarrassing.

  53. I still don’t believe that the NFL had any right to ask for his PRIVATE cell phone. This is America. Would anyone here really let your employer see your phone to see if you were breaking any rules at work? That is absurd. Where do you draw the line?

  54. TB and BB create a culture of cheating

    how many more asterisks are we going to find by their retirement?

    answer? a LOT

  55. So Tom Brady intentionally destroys his cell phone and now we are supposed to believe he is going to provide accurate information on who he texted and when? He’s trying to control the story, not the NFL.

  56. ATTENTION ALL HATERS

    Even YOU have to now be realizing what a vile and dangerous individual Roger Goodell is to the sport you love

    He’s openly and blatantly lied and mislead you yet again… and you are just mindlessly nodding and saying “yeah – go get him Roger”

    Just remember – by buying Roger’s lame PR spin that anyone with a 5th grade degree should be able to see through, you’re advocating for re-appointing Roger as the Dictator of football

    Any player on the teams YOU root for can be suspended for 1/4th a season for failing to give up his private rights even when Roger can’t even show a rule was broken in the first place

    Seriously Haters – don’t be as gullible as Goodell HOPES you are – read what Florio wrote before you have the knee jerk “Brady is a cheater”

    The friggen footballs weren’t even deflated in case you hadn’t picked up on that “minor” fact that Goodell himself is fond of ignoring

  57. You are spinning it too Florio. If Brady was offering to help get those texts his all star legal team could have tracked down those texts and presented them to the NFL instead of telling the NFL “my client destroyed evidence, go track down whatever is left lol.”

  58. All I want to know is just how many of those texts/phone calls would implicate Belichick????? My guess is quite a few 🙂

  59. There is a lot that stinks here. This piece makes sense but it does not exonerate Brady. Nor does the NFL’s case condemn him. All that is really clear is that there are no trustworthy parties involved. Subpoena everything. This is ridiculous and has gone on too long. Its time for everybody to have some skin in the game. Its time to see what Brady, Wells, Goodell, Kensil, and Vincent are all hiding. Until we have transparency this matter cannot be put to bed.

  60. kbjaxman says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:29 PM
    Destroying potential evidence is not a crime. Just ask Hillary.

    ——-

    Brady isn’t acused of a crime at all. None of this is criminal.

    Also… Despite it being bad if Brady destroyed his phone, he was under no obligation to provide his text records. He wasn’t legally required to hold his messages. Still doesn’t look good though.

  61. A link to Chris Russo? Hmm, every time I tried to post a quote or even his name it was deleted off here every time during this whole saga. Could this be the first time my comment makes it on?

  62. The simple minded don’t get it. The destroyed phone is irrelevant in court. Means nothing. The argument will be the definition of “cooperation.” Cooperation isn’t defined in the CBA it’s a made up Roger rule and this investigation alone proves Brady cooperated in a court of law.

    They will argue that cooperation was meant when Brady sat down with Wells and his team for hours and answered every question. Why? Simple. Courts look at precedent and the Wells Report itself sets that precedent. Wells interviewed Gostkowski and asked him for his phone. He refused and the NFL didn’t issue any punishment.

    It’s the act of refusal of handing over the phone that is at issue not any information gained or not gained from it. The NFL by Law of Shop cannot treat one player different let then the other as it pertains to fairness. Since the NFL failed to punish Gostowski they have set an unfair definition of “cooperation.”

    The definition of “Cooperation” is going to be on trial.

  63. This is really trying to spin the conversation Tommy’s way.

    Brady wasn’t really offering to help them gather the text messages (ie actually volunteering to personally contact the people whom he had messaged and get them to produce transcripts to the NFL).

    Rather he basically said I’ll give you a list of numbers, and they may help you, they may not but its not really my problem.

  64. The NFL…………Tom Brady DESTROYED his phone.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The Rest of the world…………….. He Upgraded.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Florio, when are you and PFT coming back? The Tour is over and this is precisely why we need you. All I have heard all afternoon from NFL Insiders to NFL Live to the NFL Network is the same headline! Here it is almost midnight and you are the only one that has said that Brady had offered to cooperate. The NFL seems more interested in winning in the court of public opinion. With this new info, I think that he will get his injunction.

  65. dan7800 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:41 PM
    Some people will go to any end to defend people.

    OJ was innocent and Bonds played clean!

    ——-

    Both broke the law. Brady didn’t.

    He may have broken a sports rule.

  66. that request is equivalent to shredding documents and then saying, “oh no problem, just go through the trash and glue the docs back together”! LOL!

  67. .
    Goodell is a PR man by trade, has an army of lackeys, an unlimited budget, his own network and website plus toady networks like ESPN and toady writers like Mortenson. However at the end of the day his case is still a steaming pile of dog poop.

    He does get the illiterate riled though.
    .

  68. Why are people so misunderstanding what Florio is saying its not complicated.

    1. The NFL said Brady was suspended for not cooperating
    with wells
    2. Wells said he only asked for a limited amount of texts from certain patriot staffers in regards to bradys phone
    3. Bradys phone was destroyed, but he provided contact info based on what wells wanted

    Months later

    4. NFL doesn’t care and has retroactivly decided they want to read everything. Not being able to is pog. And after spending millions they won’t make a couple phone calls?

  69. Just like when Nixon offered a transcript of the Watergate tapes instead of the actual tapes. He’s guilty. Face it Florio

  70. This is the Liberal defense like Hillary. I will delete all the records, but trust me I will give you everything that is relevant. Sure…according to Brady he didn’t even know the ball boys.

    You would have to be a Patriots fan to believe this garbage.

  71. brendafortheboyz says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:42 PM
    All I want to know is just how many of those texts/phone calls would implicate Belichick????? My guess is quite a few 🙂

    ———

    Maybe the texts dont implicate anyone. We’ll never know…. Unless the NFL goes and gets them.

  72. riderspantherssk says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:09 PM
    If they really thought the NFL would spend the time and money to collect the text messages, the agents or lawyers would have already done it prior to the hearing. They made the offer to give the league a spreadsheet knowing that the NFL wouldn’t do it, because the results would have been bad for TB, otherwise he wouldn’t have destroyed the phone to begin with.
    _____________
    So the NFL would not spend the time and money to track this down? If you gave the info to an intern they could match all of the numbers to names in under a day. From there it would be easy to figure out who could possibly be involved. From there you would have a short list to work from.

    For an individual perhaps this seems like a great deal of work, but remember that we are talking about Roger Goodell – he spent $5,000,000 on the Wells Report and took 35 days to produce his response to the appeal.

    So you are just dead wrong when you say that the league had neither the time nor money to look into this – Goodell’s actions prove that they had both the time and money and simply chose not to do so.

  73. Looks like a duck.

    Florio: But it might not be.

    Walks like a duck.

    Florio: But it might not be.

    Quacks like a duck.

    Florio: But it might not be.

    Is pretty obviously a duck.

    Florio: But it might not be. That’s my legal opinion.

  74. I also wonder why they didn’t try matching up the numbers with the staff?

    If he was texting the employees to give them orders or checking on their ‘progress’, surely those text message records they got from the employees have a phone number attached to them, and surely the NFL and it’s multi-million dollar investigation can see if those numbers match… right?

    Because otherwise you have very cryptic emails that literally can mean anything between people and none of them show ANY impropriety by Tom Brady, nor any message BY Tom Brady.

    Why would Tom Brady need to give out his phone, if they can easily see from the phone records they got from the employees who DID give over their phone, whether or not he was involved in any of the messages?

    If they want someone else’s, then they could reconstruct it from their cellphones. It’s right for Florio to question WHY a multi-million dollar investigation, couldn’t put in this relatively speaking, miniscule amount of effort to figure out, especially since they decided that THIS would be their ‘smoking gun’.

    Let me put it another way. The leagues actions makes as much sense as a millionaire picking up pennies in front of a steamroller.

    None of it adds up, but it appears the NFL was more about making something look good to the public, rather then actually proving ANYTHING.

    It seems more like Goodell said jump, and expected Brady to say ‘How High!’. When he didn’t… THAT became the basis for punishment.

    Simply sickening. Abuse of authority.

    Goodell took the media and the public as fools, and many seem to be just fine with being played as one.

  75. Florio ignores the most important fact. The dude went into the bathroom with the intent to deflate the balls. Whether he succeeded is irrelevant. All that’s left is whether Brady encouraged him. Brady’s conduct – multiple calls to the ball dude after the fact. Destroying the phone. The catastrophic press conference. It can’t inspire confidence in Pats fans that he is clean. If Brady wants court, those ball dudes better be pretty good on the witness stand.

  76. canetic says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:40 PM
    So Tom Brady intentionally destroys his cell phone and now we are supposed to believe he is going to provide accurate information on who he texted and when? He’s trying to control the story, not the NFL.

    ———–

    That happened in June. It was done to advance the appeal not control the story.

  77. “Sorry, I destroyed my cell phone right before the meeting today. But, here’s a bunch of cell phone numbers – just call those people, and I’m sure they’ll give you everything you want.”

    Wow. What gall.

  78. 10,000 texts. That spreadsheet would be worth as much as tommys used t.p. More nonsense for pats fanbois to glom onto.

  79. It all boils to this for me, if Brady had nothing to hide, he wouldn’t have destroyed the cell phone. Plain and simple. If I were being accused of something that I knew I didn’t do, and I knew there was evidence on my phone to prove it, I would have no problem turning it over to the investigators. Destroying the phone is the act of someone that has something to hide.

    All the mindless Pats supporters that would follow Tom Brady over a cliff, answer this question. If Brady is innocent and has nothing to hide, why did he destroy the cell phone?

    Brady should accept his punishment like a man, so everyone can move on, and get ready for what really matters with a new season to begin in about 6 weeks.

  80. brendafortheboyz says: All I want to know is just how many of those texts/phone calls would implicate Belichick????? My guess is quite a few 🙂
    =============================

    I guess we’ll never know, because although Brady gave Goodell all the information he needs to contact Belichick and request the relevant texts, Goodell doesn’t think it’s important enough to bother with that

    Stop and think about this for a second… Goodell is telling Brady – after NOT wanting the cell phone during the investigation – then changing his mind during the appeal – that the NFL has ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY to show that a rule (one they really don’t even care about apparently) was broken

    Goodell thinks he has a right to ANY player’s Cell phone if this precedent is accepted by Brady and the NFLPA

    What Kessler effectively did is say “OK Roger – you think you have dictorial power to force NFLPA members to give up their rights – AND force the OTHER people on the other side of the text to ALSO give up their rights to privacy?”

    “Fine – then YOU go tell them the NFL has a right to their texts – regardless of the fact that you have YET to show that ANY rule was violated.”

    It’s actually a pretty savvy move by Kessler when you think about it – and is why of course Goodell didn’t go after the list of people that Brady was texting – because he KNOWS what a hornets nest that opens.

    But PFT Readers seem to be forgettig that there are TWO parties on every text – and by MANDATING that Brady abolish his own rights to privacy Goodell is ALSO mandating that no one Brady texted has a right to privacy either

    It’s a rediculous assertion that Goodell is making – again, without even the slightest burden of proof that ANYTHING occured. And you all are just mindlessly cheering Roger on

    I guess Goodell and I agree on one thing – most fans ARE exceptionally gullible and easily manipulated!

  81. This blog is full of people who, despite goodell’s/NFL’s mishandling of any and everything….buy the narrative that the NFL is selling…only because they hate a team/qb that wins a lot.

    Bahhhhhh…bahhhhhh

  82. Come on Mike. You have bought this story that Brady is not guilty long enough.

    Tom Brady DESTROYED HIS CELL PHONE!

    Sure, he agreed to say who Brady texted, but who in their right mind believes that those people would be any more willing to turn over their phones than Tom Brady.

    Hopefully, all of the Tom Brady texts can be retrieved by whichever cell phone provider Brady had his phone service through. This will be the result of legal discovery IF Brady insists on contesting this further.

    Tom Brady is a very lucky man, if he would have admitted to me that he destroyed his cell phone, I would have increased his suspension to 16 games.

  83. The NFL is like a political spin machine…disinformation and accusations that the low information masses glom on to. But when you dig a little deeper, like this article does, some serious questions are raised.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Goodell didn’t have some ex-political hack running his PR campaign against brady.

  84. Right. Accept documentation that Brady and his attorneys controlled, edited and maybe redacted? Reminds me of OJ trying on the glove. Anyone could have held their hand to make it appear that the glove didn’t fit. No, the NFL needs the actual text by text documentation from the cell phone. It’s obvious to anyone but a Patriot patsy in denial that Shady Brady destroyed evidence because he was guilty.

  85. For everyone saying “the cell company has the text transcripts and the NFL can get them there” that’s not possible because the NFL doesn’t have subpoena power for cellphone records. Brady would have to get them and provide them to the NFL, instead he’s offered to provide a spreadsheet with numbers of people who can’t be compelled in any way to answer the NFL questions.

    If Brady were innocent, he would have provided the phone, or the transcripts.

    If the NFL wanted to get really testy they could contend that Brady lied under oath and turn that over to federal investigators, those cell phone records would be provided quickly.

  86. But Brady destroys all his old phones he no longer uses, right? It was just so unfortunate that it happened the day Wells was to meet Mr. Brady….except investigators for Wells obtained an old phone that Brady had not destroyed. Opps

  87. What does destroyed his phone even mean, other than the spin the NFL wants to put on it? Did he replace it? Upgrade? Drop it in the ocean by accident? It’s all so manufactured to cast him in a bad light.

  88. Seriously the Pats are SB champs who cares if its 4 games or a whole season.
    Ask any player who has not won the SB … he would give up a year of playing football to host the SB trophy.

  89. NSA, NFL, what’s the difference?
    The answers are out there.

    They just choose to lose it all in the ‘process’ of investigations.
    Mo Money to the Circus Act of Billionaire Owners and their cronies.

  90. cgsuddeath says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:57 PM
    Yeah.Right
    ————————————–

    First comment. Looks at the story written by Goodell himself in his own report and says “yeah right” as if Brady’s reps never actually offered to do it. This country is over with.

  91. senatorblutarsky says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:58 PM
    Right. Accept documentation that Brady and his attorneys controlled, edited and maybe redacted? *****
    The idiocy continues. We have heard for months now that all the NFL wanted was for Brady’s lawyers to pick out the relevant texts and submit them. The NFL would trust them. No need to turn over the phone. Your comment proves what a lie that was and everybody with a brain, that includes Brady and his lawyers, knew it.

  92. So just to recap for those of you just joining us, in Roger Goodell’s NFL:

    1.) the NFLPA members have NO right to privacy. Goodell doesn’t even need to actually show a rule – even a rule no once cared about ever before – was violated, before he can MANDATE that a player give up all personal communications

    2.) Additionally anyone who NFLPA members texted have lost their right to privacy, with Goodell having a right to know their private communications with NFLPA members no matter how sensitive or private

    3.) Brady and the NFLPA refused to cooperate in the blanket abolition of personal rights but DID give the NFL the opportunity to contact any of the individuals to ask them to share their private conversations.

    4.) Roger proved that his request itself was a sham, designed to fabricate yet another false headline “Brady destroys cellphone” – which itself was a rope a dope to illustrate that Roger asserts dictatorial power over the NFLPA and anyone they converse with

    One day the Haters and all NFLPA members may be thanking Brady for taking the bullet to stand up to the dictator Goodell – but we can’t expect an uneducated fan base or the other nflpa members to fully understand these simple yet apparently confusing concepts for many

  93. I am truly impressed by you Mr. Florio. I read that info too. Brady offered to turn over all text messages (not destroyed phone) to the NFL but they said “No thanks.” You will not see this great, 2 sides of the story, reporting anywhere else. Of course general public and casual NFL fans will only see, “Brady destroyed cell phone.”

  94. Don’t come on this site much, where is the reply button to reply to someone’s comment? First what good would text mes. do if these 2 guys were long time employees and might have been doing this for years after brady years ago told them to set it to a certain pressure? Also why would they change the pressure on their own without knowing where brady liked it in the first place? Also wouldn’t the phone co. have records of the texts?

  95. So let me get this straight – if you text a member of the NFLPA you no longer have a right to privacy?

    Because there’s two parties on every text

    When Roger asserts he has a right to any NFLPA member’s phone and they have no privacy rights, he’s also asserting that the OTHER party has no right to privacy either

    It will be interesting to find out if Brady’s lawyers REALLY advised him to destroy his cell phone or if that was just a rope a dope to illustrate how out of control Goodell is in his power grab

    Because let’s not forget, Goodell has YET to show that a rule they’ve never cared about in the past was even violated

    Even the Haters must be realizing what’s going on here

  96. Destroying the cell phone might be incriminating if there were evidence of an underlying offence. There isn’t any such evidence. The NFL can’t escape that fact. Things could get very embarrassing for them if the year long testing of the footballs shows that there was almost certainly no tampering here. Then you are just left with your most famous player getting crushed for “non-cooperation” with a witch hunt. Let’s not forget that the NFL, which insists (without good evidence) that Brady is lying, itself has repeatedly lied. It’s original leak was an extremely prejudicial lie (about 2 PSI per football) that was permitted to circulate for months, as Florio points out.

  97. If this goes to court, then I don’t think destroying the cell phone is a big deal. The court can easily retrieve the text messages from the service providers.

  98. gabrosin says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:25 PM
    …Here’s a list of several hundred people who each might have some piece of the records you care about. You can go round it all up from them.” Oh, and they forgot to mention this for three months after it happened…

    ________________________________________

    Who forgot to mention what? Months after it happened Brady had yet to be interviewed. Months after it happened everyone knew for a fact that the Pats footballs were all 2 psi below the limit. Now you’re suggesting that the NFL needed to invade the privacy of “several hundreds” of people to prove that footballs were improperly deflated in an NFL stadium in an AFC title game? This is kind of a drastic investigation over a minor rules violation, no?

    It is so obvious that the NFL didn’t have the protocols in place to enforce this rule. The broader question Florio’s been asking is why the NFL chose to go through with this defensive witch hunt rather than simply admit that the pressure of game-day footballs were not properly documented to warrant a rules violation.

  99. Tom Shady destroyed his phone on the day he was to meet with Ted Wells, end of story, no amount of Don Yee spin can remove the taint, move along.

    #shadyisaserialcheater

    #theasterisksarereal

    #tomisthenewlance

    #thestruggleisrealfordeflatriotfans

  100. The final humiliation for the NFL when they start
    checking game balls and find that they do lose air.

  101. Or Brady could have just, you know, not destroyed his phone. It’s laughable that the NFL should have just taken him at his word that the phone numbers he offered to provide were the only people he communicated with.

  102. Nope…Sorry. Here is the fatal flaw in the authors reasoning. His destroyed phone is the only proof, even that not adequate if he deleted conversations. He can “offer” all he wants to help find texts BUT there is never a guarantee that he isn’t only cherry picking certain people he texted, likely ones which wouldn’t incriminate him. Without his phone there is never a guarantee about who, what, why and when with regards to sending, responding amd receiving. Perhaps his texts instructed those he was texting to delete the conversation. How is that not explicitly clear?

  103. Who cares if Tom hands numbers out, he destroyed the evidence. Jastremski’s phone had deleted messages, so you needed Tom’s phone to corroborate the other half. Wells could not subpoena phone records.

    From the Wells report:

    According to Renaissance, the recipient cannot be identified (and is referenced as recovered-19) because these messages had been deleted, but were still partially recoverable by the forensic tools used to image Jastremski‟s cell phone. Although Renaissance was able to retrieve limited information about certain deleted messages from Jastremski‟s phone, the contact information could not be fully recovered. In addition, Renaissance was unable to determine with certainty when the recovered messages were deleted or whether there were other relevant deleted messages (i.e., deleted messages that left no recoverable information at all).

  104. This argument that Florio is putting forth is akin to an employee of a private club that has accused him of stealing a chunk of the day’s cash. The employee tells the employer that he’s destroyed the receipts for the day in question, but not to worry, in 3 months he”ll supply a list of the members who were there that day, so they all can be contacted, and asked how much they spent. Oh, and it is also expected that some of the members are in on the scam. Yeah, Florio it is the accuser here who is trying to manipulate. Right.

  105. I can see many of PFT’s readers have never used Excel or an equivalent spreadsheet application. Heck, I could get you all of the unique numbers from that spreadsheet AND how many times each was texted in under five seconds with one line of bash (after saving it as a CSV; ~2 seconds):

    cat brady_texts.csv | cut -d, -f1 | uniq -c

  106. Spencer says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:52 PM
    Looks like a duck.
    _____________________________________

    Mortensen: The NFL has told me they have 100% proof it is a duck.

    Wells report: Disregarding an Officials best recollection it is more probable than not it is a duck.

    Scientists: That’s clearly a goose….

    Hatetriot Nation: BURN THE DUCK!

  107. Really……aren’t the dates and timing of Brady’s chain of events enough to just realize he has something to hide?” By the end of the week public opinion will be swayed back in Brady’s favor”……I don’t think so….even NE fans have got to be thinking ,” Lucy you have some ‘splaining to do!!”
    Belichik made Wilfork,Revis,Jonas Gray,Malcom Butler and others miss practices and games for their conduct. Wonder how much Toms conduct will cost him in the eyes of Belichik.

  108. For all of you who think this was an unreasonable accommodation by Brady, keep in mind that Wells claimed only to be interested in a limited number of team staffers. It would not have been difficult to match up the numbers and the texts already in their possession. They could quickly have eliminated all sort of numbers (his lawyer and wife, etc.). All of this despite the fact that Brady is not legally required to offer any of this, and the NFPA was urging him not to. If he really had something monumental to hide would he have offered this at all?

    The NFL could have made an effort. One suspects they would rather quickly have discovered there wasn’t much there. That isn’t what they wanted to discover. They’d rather just throw up clouds of suspicion.

  109. This article seems to be defending Brady and bashing the NFL. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. This isn’t the U.S. Justice System. If I wanted to obstruct an investigation and make it seem like I was trying to cooperate, I would do the same thing Brady did. Destroy the phone, provide an exhaustingly long list of all of the people I had texted and then have them try to get other people to cooperate with their investigation. Not to mention that almost anyone who could corroborate the story would lie to protect their own jobs and well being. There’s no coincidence that all of these incidents have come to light regarding the Patriots over the years. To anyone who says that people are just hating because they win, look at how many other dynasties there have been over the years and how many cheating scandals they were involved in. I understand that Patriots fans want to blindly support their team and their quarterback, but everyone else sees this for what it really is. There is more than enough evidence to confirm Brady’s direct involvement in the whole scheme. Maybe the NFL doesn’t seem fair because it’s disciplinary procedures are not as fair as those of our justice system. If you don’t like it, don’t bend or break the rules or don’t play in the NFL. Your choice.

  110. Two things.

    1. Godell had to uphold the suspension. Otherwise, the backlash from the league owners (and the public for that matter) for blowing $5M over a stupid 1PSI would have probably resulted in a vote of no confidence and, ultimately, dismissal. His job is on the line and he knows it.

    2. Jury is still out on this destroyed cell phone till I hear from Brady. Maybe he picked up an iPhone 6+. The stuff should have transferred.

  111. If Brady is guilty the NFL has completely botched the investigation. If they are insinuating they need his cell phone to prove their case, and have no idea what is on it, that’s not much of a case.

    As for botching, Goodell went to good length in the text to re-iterate that what the ball boy did – taking the balls to the field himself – had never happened before. It’s an element of the Wells Report that asks you to both believe this and disbelieve this. Wells and Goodell take the referees’ words over the ball boy and two security guards. Why? To bend over backwards to display the NFL as not inept in this. The problem is the belief isn’t true and they do no believe it is true either. Because they are asking you to believe the text messages are relevant. If they are, then they refer to incidents prior to the Colts game. But their own findings claim the ball boy couldn’t have tampered with the balls.

    It’s crazy. A gaping hole in the NFL story and all because the NFL and Wells (who obviously by this and other times he looked the other way regarding the NFL in his report) are trying to cover up their own ineptness at enforcement. In doing so, they hurt their case.

  112. Everyone should use Cyber Dust application rather than text. Cyber dust erases your messages once they are read. It was developed by Mark Cuban

  113. Seriously? The NFL should accept doctored “evidence” directly from the accused? Wow, imagine if criminal cases were handled that way. Judge, I swear I did not commit that crime. Look at this spreadsheet I created with all of the evidence that proves my innocence. I promise that I did not leave out any of the damaging evidence. If it’s not in my spreadsheet, then it doesn’t exist.

    Let’s not forget that the Patriots employees that he communicated with also have a vested interest in destroying damaging evidence. Even if you go through all of that, how do you know the smoking gun text messages weren’t individually deleted?

  114. Look this is a closed case. Balls were deflated, you played with the ball, it was under official regulations, you’re responsible for it. PERIOD. 4 game ban. DONE. I don’t need to see texts, emails, you’re wife’s lingerie measurements. QB of the team is responsible for the performance of the ball boy. You don’t like the ruling, go get a new ball boy and make sure you’re in regulation going forward. Everything else is irrelevant.

  115. People only destroy their cell phones if they’re cheating on their wives, cheating in the NFL, or meth kingpins.

    Destroying his phone, then saying “hey, check the ball boys’ phones” just screams “don’t bother, I had them destroy theirs, too.”

  116. There is a 0.1% chance that Brady, OJ and Oswald are innocent. There is a 99.9% chance that they are guilty.

    So, let’s all write posts and books about the 0.1% stuff.

  117. Can a person really go back 6 mos and remember everyone they were in contact with and what the conversation was about? I couldnt go back last week and remember everyone I texted and what we texted about….if Tom really wanted to help the investigation and clear his name he wouldn’t have destroyed his phone……

  118. On or around March 6th. What does that even mean? Was it March 6th?

    Was it March 1st? Was it February 24th?

    That kind of matters here, especially for a guy that says he destroys his phone about every 4 months. If he actually destroyed it the morning of March 6th before he met with Wells, this looks bad. On the contrary, if he destroyed it in February, this means nothing. I’m sure the guy has been getting bombarded with messages since the story broke and he also, you know, won the super bowl. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if his number got out to some fans or haters and he had to change it.

    The NFL knows that the public only wants Brady blood, and regardless of the context of this report, they will all buy it hook line and sinker. This must have been what it was like to live in 1930’s Germany.

  119. Trusting Brady to give all the numbers and people he sent text messages to on his own accord when he is being investigated is like trusting Hillary Clinton to provide all of her Emails on pure trust. It’s preposterous.

  120. Can you imagine being told to dig through your OWN cell phone (10k messages in his case) to help the NFL? Screw them. Here are the people I talked to, go do whatever you want.

    A lot of posters point to Brady’s press conference as damning, keep immune this was after th AFCCG when he thought, and the whole country thought 11 of 12 balls were over 2 psi under the limit. That’s why he came off as “I don’t know” and “seems crazy to me” etc…. Because it WASNT true.

    NFL- Brady DESTROYED his phone
    Brady- I upgraded to a new iPhone

    I want Goodell and his lying crew of losers to be held accountable for their actions through this whole thing.

    As pointed out by others, the footnotes in both this release and the Wells report are what people really should be reading. It’s the only truth the NFL is reporting, in size 4 font

  121. Goodell’s a blunderer. I think he’s incapable of making a good move. EVERYTHING he does blows up. It’s uncanny. The laws of chaos suggest he’d do something right by accident. But no-o-o …

    Anyway, it really doesn’t matter anymore if the press points out an additional blunder. At first, I thought the owners were just morons – I mean, 100 million fans want him gone. They ARE just a pack of rich idiots whose dads gave them a football team.

    But now I think it’s possible the owners WANT a boob in charge of the league. The more he screws up, the less attention they draw while they count their money.

    One thing’s for sure, the owners will never be able to find another blunderer of that magnitude.

  122. There is one final fall back way of getting the text messages. Get AT&T or whatever carrier used by Brady’s phone, to research the messages, and produce them. They stay on the company’s server for several years. Technically it can be done, although I don’t think Brady should have to disprove shoddy science.

  123. Cell phone companies only keep transcripts of texts for 30-60 days for obvious reasons. Funny how he waited over 2 months to tell anyone he destroyed his old phone.

  124. ironyisadeadscene says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:56 PM
    This blog is full of people who, despite goodell’s/NFL’s mishandling of any and everything….buy the narrative that the NFL is selling…only because they hate a team/qb that wins a lot.

    Bahhhhhh…bahhhhhh

    ______________________________

    It’s Brady’s main problem. His team has 3 to 5 per cent of all fans in the US, so 95% plus of all American fans are automatically going to be pre-disposed to not support the Patriot’s position. The NFL knows this, and has been playing the public like a grand piano.

  125. I don’t claim to know a lots of people but i have never heard of anybody that destroys a cell phone when changing it over. Agreed i don’t know anybody remotely famous so that might be something people in the public eye do with all their electronic hardware once they are done with it, who knows ?
    There is no hard evidence that those footballs were deflated during that AFCC game i think we can all agree so from that standpoint has Brady even got a case to answer. But he sure was acting like he was hiding something before this news broke yesterday. I just dont get why he fully did not cooperate with the investigation if there was no wrong doing. Was he advised not too, did somebody tell him we have this covered do this do that etc. The one thing that would have cleared up most of this mess was in that phone. Weather it was the colts game or something before.

  126. was it his personal phone or a franchise issued one? You can eat my shorts if you want my personal phone or anything on it, but if it’s a work phone then I have no choice.

  127. The NFL is so Adept at leading many of you around with a leash. The cell phone destroyed story has nothing to do with deflated footballs and further more all that information could be derived elsewhere. The NFL leaked this story knowing how many would react because it sounds horrible but fundamentally is completely irrelevant. The league and Goodell are in an all out pr war with the pats and brady and they know exactly how to manipulate many of you.

    The fact remains the balls were never deflated more than expected in the first place and any information beyond that is cherry picked to manipulate public opinion so Goodell and league can save face. God grow a brain everyone Goodell is a bad human and the league is filled with corrupt and misguided people who are all in on this and will stop at nothing, including leaking outright lies and full on manipulation, to come out the winner.

  128. Atwater – you are forgetting Brady would never turn over his phone! The records aren’t destroyed like nfl suggested and can be subpoenaed in court.

  129. I’m not going to defend Brady. BUT the way everyone is coming down on Brady and now supporting the NFL over this is pathetic. THE NFL as Mark Cuban pointed out has gotten too full of itself. THE NFL basically dos what it wants, when it wants and to whom it wants. Brady is one of the few players that is the face of the league. Because Brady had the gall to challenge the league with that appeal. The NFL and Roger Goodell threw Brady under the bus. One of it’s stars.

  130. Florio, you’re falling for this? A spreadsheet instead of a phone, one provided after months of time to get everything organized for a coverup. If you were still a lawyer you would laugh at how ridiculous and hamfisted this is. Honestly I’m surprised Brady and his people are this stupid. I’m not surprised by the average Pats fans reactions, they so badly want to believe him that it’s kinda pathetic and sad. I feel for them, they didn’t do this and it hurts, so its just easier to go with the delusion, but you Florio are supposed to be an educated man.

    He destroyed his phone just before this meeting. He did that under advice from some sort of council. This was not innocent, this is a cover up plain and simple. Who know’s, it might even work for him legally, but this is never going to be a win for Brady, his legacy is gone. No other fanbase will ever respect him again, get used to it Pats fans, he and you alongside him will be ridiculed as long as he’s in the public eye.

  131. Florio the ultimate Brady apologist fails to understand that Brady is an employee of the NFL. He is not on trial and is not “guilty” or “not guilty”. He either followed the league rules or he cheated and then he either told the truth or lied and he either cooperated or he didn’t. The answers are obviously he cheated, lied and didn’t cooperate! It his employer reasonably believes this Brady doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Based on what has occurred, viewing this from an employer-employee standpoint the NFL will win this case hands down because Brady failed to cooperate and obviously lied during the initial investigation.

  132. HEADLINES – BRADY DESTROYS PHONE!

    Nothing changes the 19 January, 2015 OFFICIAL LETTER sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) that informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR CELL PHONE TO FOLKS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL (19 Jan. letter)???

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”

    Accordingly, that statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated.

    2. FACT/QUESTION: Who directed, at halftime, to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs at half-time (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    3. FACT: Ideal Gas Law (IGL) cannot be disputed.

    4. FACT: The NFL did not record pre-game PSI levels.

    5. FACT: The NFL had no procedures/protocol to determine PSI levels, UNTIL RECENTLY.

    6. When is the last time you heard the media or public discuss the 19 Jan. 2015 letter???

    7. FACT: This is America! The Missouri Supreme Court ruled in May, 2015 against Goodell: ….“the terms of the contract designating the NFL commissioner, an employee of the team owners, as the sole arbitrator with unfettered discretion to establish the rules for arbitration are unconscionable and, therefore, unenforceable.”

    WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR CELL PHONE TO FOLKS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL (19 Jan. letter)???

  133. To those of you complaining about Brady destroying his phones, good god, I destroy all my old phones. Why the hell would you give someone the chance to steal contacts, passwords, pics or any other info on you that could lead to identity theft? Would you ever give someone your computer hard drive?

    If you don’t destroy, I would like to buy your old phone or hard drive. If you really think Brady should hand over his phone, I dare you to let 20 friends have your phone for a day each.

  134. I am no Goodell fan at all, but Brady clearly didn’t want to cooperate so he really should be suspended 8 games. Brady destroyed potential evidence intentionally! He can take a team of high priced lawyers to court to try to “spin” that whatever way he wants but Brady tried to cover up his wrong-doing. If you understand that simple part then you know-and anyone else with a brain knows–Brady deserves major punishment for just that act alone. To come back later and offer to put a spreadsheet together is truly just lunacy! Sure we would believe without a doubt contents of such a spreadsheet from Team Brady. No, only Patriot fans would trust that. Once again, it’s not the act of deflating the footballs, but it’s the attempt to cover it up that brings a vile nature to this otherwise worthless waste of time and energy.

  135. And a few posters above are correct, yes phone Co’s DO have text records, however they need to be sepoena’d and can only be in the case of a federal crime I believe, or something close to that.

  136. edgarpoe3 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:03 PM

    Couldn’t a transcript of all the phone numbers be doctored to conveniently leave out a few incriminating ones? How can anyone trust the Brady Bunch when they stonewalled everything else? I mean, it isn’t his actual phone records, just a compiled list on a spreadsheet? Why did Brady destroy the one thing that could exonerate him, if he were innocent?
    ____________________________________

    1. If the NFL were worried that it would be an incomplete list, they simply could have countered by asking for his permission to view his phone company records. That would show every number that he was in contact with.

    2. What evidence is there that Brady stonewalled the investigation? Wells initially asked for a limited amount of data, which was provided to him. It was when he went back for more than had been agreed upon at a later date that there was supposedly some resistance. By this point, it was clear that the NFL was looking to nail the Pats, and their series of inaccurate (to be polite) leaks made it clear they really weren’t worried about what really happened…whatever that is. Besides, the only evidence of a failure to cooperate is Wells’ claim, and that holds very little value given the rest of the report. Getting rid of a phone after you handed over the requested data and before the phone itself was requested is proof of nothing.

    3. A lot of people destroy their phones when they’re done with them. Do you have any idea how much info people can get from those things? With people as famous as Brady and his wife, you really can’t rule out the possibility of people rooting through their trash for that kind of thing.

    4. Most importantly, it’s not Brady’s responsibility to exonerate himself. It’s the NFL’s job to show that he did something wrong. The NFL never demonstrated that the balls were actually tampered with, let alone who all might have been in on it if it actually occurred. The sum total of their “case” is a bunch of leaks that have proven to be less than completely accurate, if not down right wrong. Their primary proof that something happened at all is the investigator grilling their key witness until he stated that maybe he misremembered which gauge he used. That’s like a prosecutor grilling their key witness until he said that the guy he picked out of a lineup might conceivably not be the actual perp, and then going “see, I told you this other guy did it” without proving he was ever in the area where the crime was committed.

    I’m not a Pats fan, and I don’t claim to know what actually happened or didn’t happen…or who all was involved if anything happened at all. I’m honest enough to admit that fact, however, and I don’t see how the NFL should be allowed to punish and publicly denigrate a person unless they have enough evidence that an objective observer would not feel like I do.

  137. If Brady had turned over his cell phone and no evidence of wrong doing was found, the haters on this site would have loudly declared “The lack of any incriminating evidence on Brady’s phone PROVES he’s a cheater. He obviously deleted all the incriminating messages before handing over the phone!”

    There are zero scenarios that could have played out during this investigation that would have convinced the fans of 31 teams that Brady was innocent.

    But this should surprise no one. We’re talking about a group of people that continue to insist that the Patriot’s first three Superbowl championships are tainted because of a rule that didn’t get enacted until after they won those three Superbowls.

    Hating Brady is a religion to some people, and facts and evidence simply don’t work on zealots.

  138. Which i am completely convinced Brady’s “counsel” 100% knew that there is pretty much no way whatsoever that anyone was getting any text or phone records from any phone Co. Lol

    Hence, “well actually Tom you know what? You could just destroy the phone! And just claim something dumb like “oh I do this all the time as I am a celebrity when i get new phones etc”

  139. @ atwater

    For everyone saying “the cell company has the text transcripts and the NFL can get them there” that’s not possible…..

    For another reason.

    Everything I can find on the net says that the major carriers don’t save the actual messages for more than a week or two, at most. Some don’t save them for any amount of time.

    What they do save for an extended period of time for law enforcement is the meta data, the time, date and who you called. But not “hi mom…on my way home”. That’s why law enforcement is so keen on getting their hands on your phone if you have been bad.

    Now the NSA is another matter entirely.

  140. Anyone convicted of wrongdoing, whether it is criminal or nonot, would love to have the upper hand on the collection of evidence.

    It simply doesn’t work that way. Upon hearing about the destroyed phone, the NFL should have upped the penalty for TB and anyone else in the pats* organization who knew about this action.

  141. One of these days a few other significant people will realise that goodell is a liar. Most of the owners that back him are liars and unfortunately us little peons can’t do anything about it.

    Oh how goodell the liar needs fired.

    I am not a Patriots fan or a Brady one.

    So I AM NOT attacking goodell because he hurt the Pats or Brady.

    He simply put is a deceptive liar.

  142. edgarpoe3 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:03 PM

    Couldn’t a transcript of all the phone numbers be doctored to conveniently leave out a few incriminating ones? How can anyone trust the Brady Bunch when they stonewalled everything else? I mean, it isn’t his actual phone records, just a compiled list on a spreadsheet? Why did Brady destroy the one thing that could exonerate him, if he were innocent?
    _______________________________________

    At his initial interview, instead of handing over his cell phone Wells told Brady he could turn over transcripts of relevant text messages instead. Brady refused, and I can see why. If people believe Brady would leave out relevant phone numbers if he turned over a transcript, why would they believe he would have handed over all relevant text messages (yes, that is a rhetorical question)?

    If you’re dealing with people who aren’t going to take your word, nothing you say will make any difference.

  143. “Right. Accept documentation that Brady and his attorneys controlled, edited and maybe redacted?”

    What exactly is it that’s so hard to understand here?

    The suspension was defended on the grounds of Brady being “uncooperative”. This was a result of his refusal to provide “all relevant communications” to the investigation. The Wells report stated that they offered “extraordinary safeguards” for handling the texts, even allowing his legal representatives to control and screen the messages that were to be provided.

    Now Brady offers EXACTLY THAT, and it’s not good enough because it requires actual investigative work?

    Not only has this cellphone thing been nothing but a red herring from the beginning, it’s one in which Goodell has to continuously move the goalposts in order for it to even be effective…

  144. Florio, kudos to you for outing the NFL for their duplicitous pr campaign and of ESPN’s willing participation in that disinformation.

    Stephen A. Smith allowed himself to be the delivery system. I don’t expect we will be told who leaked to him.

    As for Goodell, he can’t seem to make a decision in this case without vilifying a guy that is not only the one of the best ever to play the game but one of the league’s most unselfish players on and off the field.

  145. swagger52 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:49 PM
    This is the Liberal defense like Hillary. I will delete all the records, but trust me I will give you everything that is relevant. Sure…according to Brady he didn’t even know the ball boys.

    You would have to be a Patriots fan to believe this garbage.
    ********************
    The records were not deleted- just the opposite. Brady never said he didn’t know the ball boys. And I thought the NFL didn’t want the phone- they were going to trust Brady to turn over the pertinent texts. Yeah, right. We see that lie clearly. Don’t let the truth get in the way of your hate and jealousy.

  146. “atwatercrushesokoye says:
    Jul 29, 2015 12:00 AM
    For everyone saying “the cell company has the text transcripts and the NFL can get them there” that’s not possible because the NFL doesn’t have subpoena power for cellphone records.”

    Exactly. The NFL wants what they don’t have a right to get. Brady doing anything to help them get them is doing more than he has to do.

  147. It’s nice how the King of Corruption, Roger Goodell, left that out of his statement. Can’t believe how badly he has botched this whole situation. No Brady No banner. It’s funny because you’d
    think Goodell would have some respect for a player that lines his pockets with Money. Time for this clown to lose his dictatorship.

  148. Yes…Goodell and the NFL are the bad guys, while the QB of the team who has been caught numerous times to have cheated and tried to manipulate and circumvent rules are clean as can be.

    Goodell is scum, but so are the Pats and Brady.

    Truth

  149. Why would Brady offer to submit a spreadsheet with the numbers instead of simply turning over the records from the cell phone provider? For the same reason he destroyed the phone. He’s hiding something.

  150. And I’m sure Tommy could remember every single person who texted him, and wouldn’t forget a single name either accidentally or intentionally. Please. Stop with the player apologist act

  151. How can a “news reporter” writting this story leave out the fact that TB had his phone destroyed AFTER he was told wells wanted to see it? The article also fails to mention that TB did turn over two phones. One that he used after the phone that was destroyed and one he used BEFORE the phone that was destroyed. If it is his common practice to destroy phones when replacing them, why wasn’t the first phone destroyed? And how can one consider himself a “reporter” while leaving these facts out of the story? Bottom line… if Brady wanted to help the league retrieve the info, he would not have destroyed his phone.

  152. Oh give me a break. Brady, you know, the person at the center of the investigation, refused to turn over his phone. So what makes you think that any of the potentially hundreds of people he texted would voluntarily turn their phones over? The degree to which Kraft is bankrolling your covering of this scandal is frankly shocking.

  153. Florio skipped straight to the footnotes. Page 12 shows that the phone Brady used before the one in question was intact and available for a forensic expert to review. “No explanation was provided for this anomaly,” Goodell wrote.

    Nice try Tom and Florio.

  154. Funny how Goodell didn’t originally need Brady’s phone as he stated earlier on in the investigation…but now he does. Proof that this was a sham.

  155. So basically the NFL is OK with a 5 million dollar accusation but asking a phone provider was/is too much trouble. As it’s still pro sports I won’t pretend that either party has clean hands in the matter but it is strange that the leagues response was crafted the way it was just as public opinion was swaying Brady’s way. At the end of the day illicit ball jiggering isn’t worthy of a four game suspension. The only thing I know for sure is that neither party has anything resembling moral high ground on their side. And it seems that this dumpster fire will rage on.

  156. Tom clearly lied (again) with the I ALWAYS destroy my cell phones when I get a new one.
    Yet the 2 previous cell phones to the one that he destroyed are still in his possession .

    None are as Blind as those that will not see.

    Give it up, there will be no court case. No Lawyer worth his salt will put Tom Brady on the stand and let him be cross examined.

  157. Did it ever occur to that Brady could simply produce a list of numbers that culled the damning ones? This is like saying, I won’t take the breathalyzer officer but I’ll give you a list of everything I drank, when I drank them and my weight and you can find out my BAC. Good luck with that.

  158. PFT’s love affair with Brady is just as pathetic as the Patsie* fans that spew innocence for him.
    It just NOW comes out he offered text messages?
    Yeah, right.
    BTW, he destroyed his phone the same day he was to be interviewed. Nothing screams “I’M INNOCENT” more than that.
    Mikey, you’re losing it.

  159. Great catch, albeit debatable, depending upon which side of the Brady did nor did not cheat debate you support. However, you missed the obvious common denominator in the morass that is the NFL these days – Roger Goodell. It’s his uneven and high handed handling of on and off field incidents that has ruined the NFL and turned it into a high stakes reality show.

  160. Florio, Florio, Florio, is there no end to your constant defense of Brady? First, the fact that he replaced, wiped, destroyed his phone on the DAY OF HIS HEARING shows bad faith and a lack of cooperation on his part. Second, he tries to replace the cell phone with a spreadsheet containing the names of hundreds of people with whom he has exchanged text messages. So, instead of just providing the device that he was diirected to, he provides a list of people who may or may not have the information that the NFL is seeking. AND the NFL is then expected to chase down each person and try to gain their cooperation in the investigation. And, at that time, the Patriots organization had stopped cooperating with the investigation, so that it was highly unlikely that the wild goose chase that Brady was orchestrating would not yield any results. Finally, this is the oldest trick in the litigator’s handbook. On the day of the deadline for discovery, instead of the 5-10 pages of material that had been subpoenaed from the defendant, he produces 150 boxes of materials, challenging the plaintiff to find it. The defense tries to make it look like they have complied with the discovery order, but it’s one more example of foot-dragging and obfuscation. Two signs of a guilty person trying to hide his guilt.

  161. Gabbo says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:43 AM
    To those of you complaining about Brady destroying his phones, good god, I destroy all my old phones. Why the hell would you give someone the chance to steal contacts, passwords, pics or any other info on you that could lead to identity theft? Would you ever give someone your computer hard drive?

    If you don’t destroy, I would like to buy your old phone or hard drive. If you really think Brady should hand over his phone, I dare you to let 20 friends have your phone for a day each.

    —————————————

    I really don’t care if Brady destroys a cell phone every other weekend but you are just being intentionally blind.

    He destroyed a 4 month old phone AFTER it was requested he turn over information on it.

    Did Tom think to himself : “You know what I need for that Wells interview tomorrow where they have told me i will be asked questions about information on my phone, a brand new phone to go with this suit. ”

    I also believe I read, he has his previous phone. Correct me if i am incorrect. So if he has the phone he bought before the phone he destroyed isn’t that a problem for you or is your conviction more of the religious nature?

    “But the NFL argues that not only did Brady not offer an explanation for why he chose that date to destroy the phone, but Brady’s own actions suggest it is not normal practice to do so.

    According to the NFL, Brady did not destroy the phone used before the one that was destroyed and even made it available to investigators. Brady used this phone from the spring of 2014 to November 6, 2014, but it was still around when forensic expert Brad Maryman examined Brady’s electronic data in the spring of 2015.”

    I’m sorry your lord and savior committed a sin. Maybe if you turn off the tv for the next month you won’t have to confront these questions.

  162. Give it up, Florio. You backed Brady, he turned out to be the arrogant cheater most of us already knew he is, and now you’re doing the lawyer shuffle trying to defend him. Makes you look a little petulant at this point.

  163. The bottom line is that the NFL is shifting the reason for the punishment. They only became aware of the destroyed cell phone on June 18th, long after the Wells report had been released and the punishment handed down. But now a destroyed cell phone is reason to suspend Brady for four games and dock the draft picks??

    Since people love to make this into a criminal investigation, here’s an analogy. Brady is accused of murdering someone, found guilty and sentenced for 10 years. During the appeals process it becomes apparent that the prosecutor was corrupt and falsified evidence and that the supposed murder victim is very much alive. But it also emerged at the end of the process that Brady may have destroyed evidence. So the judge says, “OK I guess there was no murder, but I hereby find you guilty of destroying evidence. And the punishment is exactly the same—10 years!” (Probably the Pats haters think this process is totally fair, since Brady is involved.)

    I think Goodell has a future career as a stage magician, since he clearly has mastered the art of misdirection.

  164. PFT, why do you keep deleting this????

    For you salty haters:
    Brady was never under oath before the appeal, and then he was under oath voluntarily. It probably went something like this:
    Goodell (or more likely, an underling): “Mr. Brady, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?”
    Brady: “I do.”
    Goodell: “I want your phone.”
    Kessler: “I object!!! Per the CBA, you are not allowed access to a player’s phone!!! This is another cheap fishing expedition!!!!”
    Brady: “I got this, I’ll answer. Truthfully, I don’t have the phone.”
    Goodell: “Why the [edited] not?”
    Brady: “I had it destroyed when I got a new one. It’s what people like me do.”
    Goodell: “WT [edited]?!?!?!? How come I don’t know about this?!?!?!?”
    Brady: “You see, when actual stars or celebrities get new phones, it is common practice to destroy the old, since any as…terisk out there might try to get access to it, for the purposes of defamation of character.”
    Goodell: “transcriptionist?!?!?! Where the [edited] are you?!?!?! Ah, [edited]!!! – ‘O that he were here to write me down – an as…terisk’ ”+
    Brady: “I did ask my phone company to provide me with a spreadsheet of all the numbers to which I texted or received texts from. I text a lot, but really, there aren’t more than 100 total numbers or so…you can verify my spreadsheet with my carrier.”
    Goodell: “What?!?!?!? You expect my minio…office to do some actual thinking?!?!?!?!? Where’s Kensil? He’s the right guy for this job…”
    Brady: “You did say that you want a ‘fair and open’ process…”
    Goodell: “I think that you’ll find that what I meant by ‘fair and open’ is that as a ginger, I have fair skin and that since my mind is a sieve, everything passes through it, like an open flood gate…oh, wait…transcriptionist, don’t include that…”
    Kessler: “We’re through here…Roger…I look forward to our next meeting. Please arrive with your shorts about your ankles, you’ll find it easier to reel your junk…arguments…that way.”
    Goodell: “I’m on it…oh, wait…transcriptionist…”
    + See Much Ado About Nothing, Act IV, Scene II

  165. davemc617 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 6:03 AM

    Now Brady offers EXACTLY THAT, and it’s not good enough because it requires actual investigative work?

    Not only has this cellphone thing been nothing but a red herring from the beginning, it’s one in which Goodell has to continuously move the goalposts in order for it to even be effective…

    —————————-

    You are lieing to yourself in order to justify your position. What Brady gave the NFL might be great if your FBI or CIA who is looking to know who talked to who and when (even the fact that it is a complete list is an unverifiable assumption) but the NFL has no authority to compel the text messages (the ones that Brady did reveal knowledge of) be turned over. There also is no guarantee that any of the 10,000 text messages exist on the phone of the other person at this time or even that those people still have the same phone.

    It only takes the guilty text messages to be one phone that no longer exists or is erased to make the other 9,999 texts a red herring.

    I don’t know how to make Pats fans understand how bad this phone destruction looks and that the red herring of a spreadsheet is just there to distract the gullible but the gullible have had his back all along.

    Pat’s fans have been screaming that Brady will own the league for the last 6 months and after every loss keep moving their own goalposts that in just another month St. Tom will spread his arms, a light will come down from heaven and he will lead the faithful.

  166. At this point in this mess nothing surprises me anymore. I expect to hear any minute that the assistant did not destroy the phone but sold it to tmz for a couple of million and has moved to a villa in the south of france.

  167. Some people will go to any end to defend people.

    OJ was innocent and Bonds played clean!

    ——-

    Both broke the law. Brady didn’t.

    He may have broken a sports rule.
    ————————————————————
    Smh…
    Both of the comments above personify EXACTLY what is REALLY the problem in this case, and in this country.
    O.J.-he was not found guilty in a COURT OF LAW, because the prosecution could not PROVE that he committed the crimes that he was accused of.
    It was found in civil court, that he “violated the victims civil rights”-what the heck does THAT mean?
    It means that, although his guilt could not be proven, he “more likely than not”, did it
    ..
    Barry Bonds NEVER tested positive for steroids, but it was pointed out that he gained 18 pounds of lean muscle during an offseason, wich is “scientifically ” impossible…….
    Now, as to the comment regarding the fact that O.J. and Barry broke laws, while Tom “may” have “only” broken a sports rule, I say this;
    1.O.J. did not, as found in a court of law, break the law.
    2. Barry didn’t break the law. Like Tom, he ” may” have broken a sports rule.
    3. O.J. and and Barry were both convicted by the media, in the court of public opinion, wich is happening to Tom as well. So, what’s the difference between the 3?
    You tell me…..
    4. Last, but not least – the thing that stinks the most here is that we, as a country live be a code of situational morality- we think that it’s ok to break rules, or even laws, it it serves our purpose.
    This whole thing could have been avoided if the nfl didn’t immediately jump into “prosecution mode”, and the patriots didn’t immediately jump into “defense mode”. What happened to good old fashioned FACT FINDING?

  168. The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

    ESPN…NFL….dishonest. Both. Media overall is nothing but agenda pushing opinions writers. There is NO real reporting.

    Look how awful this is and it’s only football. Benghazi? Iran? Borders?

    Until the professional politicians are thrown out nothing will change….anywhere.

    Rome fell from within, as will America. The complete lack of honesty, objectivity coupled with the intense hatred of some will destroy us. One only has to read the posts of the Haters….with so little evidence, none of them read the reports, they have made decisions that may affect an entire season…..only to further their own interests.

    Sad.

    A Packer Fan

  169. “Months later is became clear the information was incorrect?”

    Oh, so we got a legitimate reading months later on the footballs?

    Just the typical media pushing their agenda and keeping the people distracted for completely unrelated purposes.

    Ruling elite, people. Ruling elite.

  170. Remember folks Goodell does not have dictatorial powers to abolish the rights of NFLPA members and anyone they text – at least not without proving there was a rule violation in the first place

    In the same sentence where Goodell asserts he has the right to Brady’s cell (after NOT wanting it for 6 months) he notes that he would need the permission of the other people if he asked them for the texts directly

    Goodell might not realize it yet but by asserting that the phone has been destroyed (just an excuse not to hand it over in my opinion) Kessler has set Goodell up – caught in his own tangled logic

    I’ll grant you Goodell’s lies have thus far won the PR battle but Brady and the NFLPA have set up Roger and they will win the war easily

    The people Brady texted have privacy rights – even if Goodell thinks they and all other NFLPA members and anyone they text do not

    I’m guessing ANY court upholds those rights

  171. neutronjimmy123 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 1:35 AM
    Look this is a closed case. Balls were deflated, you played with the ball, it was under official regulations, you’re responsible for it. PERIOD. 4 game ban. DONE. I don’t need to see texts, emails, you’re wife’s lingerie measurements. QB of the team is responsible for the performance of the ball boy. You don’t like the ruling, go get a new ball boy and make sure you’re in regulation going forward. Everything else is irrelevant.

    ________________________________-

    In that case so were the Colts balls and they weren’t reinflated so they played the whole game with illegal balls.

  172. Well then, why didn’t CryBrady authorize his own attorney to review all this data on his cell phone during the original investigation and to do the exact same thing CryBrady is now pushing off to an unknown number of other people? That would have exonerated him if there was nothing to hide. Something stinks here, and it continues to come out of NE.

    Cheater.

  173. The league already knows about the texts between Brady and Jastremski and McNally. They have that info from their phones, the only thing that Brady’s phone would be able to provide is if there were texts between Brady and someone else.

  174. “Hey guys, I know you wanted to see my phone, but I decided to destroy it on the same exact day I was going to meet with Wells.

    But I have the next best thing! A transcript of everyone I ever sent a text to. Every single one of them is included! I swear!”

  175. As Florio put it “in English”:
    “Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and SHOULD have been provided long before the hearing,”
    Too little, too late maybe.
    And did Giesele take the cell phone parts and dump them in an undisclosed dumpster by the ordering of her husband?
    I don’t care who you are, what you do, or how proud you may be, but if you have definitive proof of your innocence, you don’t destroy said proof.

  176. matt2131 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 7:04 AM

    The bottom line is that the NFL is shifting the reason for the punishment. They only became aware of the destroyed cell phone on June 18th, long after the Wells report had been released and the punishment handed down. But now a destroyed cell phone is reason to suspend Brady for four games and dock the draft picks??

    Since people love to make this into a criminal investigation, here’s an analogy. Brady is accused of murdering someone, found guilty and sentenced for 10 years. During the appeals process it becomes apparent that the prosecutor was corrupt and falsified evidence and that the supposed murder victim is very much alive. But it also emerged at the end of the process that Brady may have destroyed evidence. So the judge says, “OK I guess there was no murder, but I hereby find you guilty of destroying evidence. And the punishment is exactly the same—10 years!” (Probably the Pats haters think this process is totally fair, since Brady is involved.)

    point A… the suspension wasn’t for the destroyed cell phone, it was upheld because the Brady team couldn’t provide any compelling evidence to save itself

    Point B… Lets make another analogy, you were convicted of murder and sentenced to 10yrs. During the appeals process the prosecution requests that you provide the 9mm Glock that they believe was used in the murder. They could compare ballistics and it could set you free. But you can’t provide the Glock because you had it destroyed.

    I believe the destruction of the phone, AFTER the origination of this whole case, is pretty substantial. Famous or not, if I hold in my hand a piece of evidence that could save me… I’m not going to destroy it. There are plenty of “safe” places that phone could have been stored.

    Bottom line is the NFL shouldn’t have to go on a witch hunt through a spreadsheet of phone numbers that isn’t likely to lead anywhere because its too easy to alter and nobody is going to incriminate their buddy… Brady should have cooperated from the start and he wouldn’t be in this mess. His own failure to cooperate is what led to the Wells report deciding that it was “more probable than not.” IMO, he cooperates (assuming there was no evidence that blatantly pointed to Tom knowing) he wouldn’t have been in this situation.

  177. Went out of his way to help? Was that before or after he smashed the phone? Crybaby player..Crybaby fans.

  178. This thing has been a gong show from step one. Everything…and I do mean everything about this deflate situation stinks.

    Is it likely that Brady and the equipment crew engaged in at least some shennanigans? Yes. Were they massive in scale that influenced the outcome of a game? Not likely. Do the Patriots have an arrogance about them that they can get away with crap like this? Yup.

    That said, this entire situation proves beyond any doubt that Roger Goodell should NEVER handle discipline. If I’m the NFLPA, the next CBA must include an independent person or panel who is paid 50% by the PA and 50% by the NFL to handle discipline. The NFL tripped all over itself on this, and others over the last year. Seriously, 4 games for Brady over PSI and Greg Hardy has 4 games after beating and threatening the life of a woman? The NFL continues down the road to full blown circus.

  179. .
    It’s nice to have those from Philly, Chicago and Tennessee weigh in. I’m sure the Wells Report / Rebuttal was popular reading in those towns.

    However, I must ask where do you get your NFL news from? If you said NFL Network and ESPN, do you think it’s fair and balanced? Do you believe that NFL Network and ESPN have covered the events in a non biased fashion, or have they had an agenda from the start ?

    Secondly, Brady could have put his phone on a flight to Pluto and it’s a non issue. Under the terms of the CBA, Wells had no right to it anyways. In addition, it’s a well known fact that celebrities often destroy their own cell phones for privacy concerns.

    Thirdly, what kind of sportsmen are you? You have to root for illegal suspensions and injuries to win? Did I want Russell Wilson suspended before the Super Bowl to give the Patriots a better shot at winning? Hell no! That game was so entertaining, I was actually hoping they’d give Seattle a rematch.

    Lastly, in PR/marketing they want to have two sides. Be it political parties, soft drinks or car insurance, the image consultants want to create an us vs them scenario. Failing that, it muddies the waters

    If you haven’t noticed, you’re being sold to . If you didn’t like the bogus Wells Report which initiated the investigation, then we’ll change the subject and sell you ” Brady destroyed his cell phone” (which Wells was never entitled to anyways).

    Have any of you ever watched the TV show, “Mad Men”?
    .

  180. Both Brady and Goodell come off as bumbling idiots in this far overblown incident. This is a great example of what happens when two people with monster egos and arrogance face off and refuse to accept they have possibly screwed up.

    Even if Brady did nothing wrong, he has handled things from the start in a pretty dumb way which has only made it worse for him.

  181. Report comment
    peytonsneck18 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:13 PM
    Who destroys a old cell phone anyways? Not like it was one of those messages inspector gadget used to get
    ————————————————————————
    I do and anyone with a brain would too. if you give up your old cell phone even after it’s erased, wiped, nuked in a microwave there are people who can still get the information from it. Maybe you don’t have any information worth taking. A star like TB though probably doesn’t want the contact and banking information as well as other important information stolen. I hope that they Roger down and find out the real reasons for this witch hunt. Some around the NFL office and loser owners might just have to pay up when it’s all said and done.

  182. florio:

    of course, your recap fails to mention that the phone was destroyed in march prior to the wells interview, and the offer of the spreadsheet was made at the time of the hearing in june. were brady really interested in providing proof of his innocence, he would have made the offer prior to destroying the phone and ponying up a spreadsheet with 10k entries.

    and why destroy the device in the first place? on the face, its pretty damning………

    are you co counsel with don yee? if so, you also have to take the credit (blame) for this ridiculous strategy…..which is doomed to fail in federal court despite the fact goodell is an incompetent idiot….

    at least this will most likely be followed by goodell going on to “new opportunities’ or to “spend more time with his family”…

  183. And the page views will continue. Florio’s piece here may have put me over the edge. The media manipulation of common sense now reaches epic proportions.

    Brady’s defense has now become shameful. It should be a lesson in what can go wrong when you don’t tell the truth. Unfortunately, we’re now witnessing the impact of abusing our legal system to trump common sense.

  184. Give us a break. Brady instructed that his phone be destroyed just prior to the moment it was required for his Appeal.

    Tell us also how Hillary had nothing to hide when she selectively screened what emails to produce and what ones to destroy.

  185. Pathetic. I am a Dolphins fan that hates the Pats, but this witch hunt by the league is truly pathetic. It’s an all PR battle with no substance, and the neanderthals are eating it up.

  186. daytontriangles says:
    Jul 29, 2015 5:12 AM
    If Brady had turned over his cell phone and no evidence of wrong doing was found, the haters on this site would have loudly declared “The lack of any incriminating evidence on Brady’s phone PROVES he’s a cheater. He obviously deleted all the incriminating messages before handing over the phone!”

    There are zero scenarios that could have played out during this investigation that would have convinced the fans of 31 teams that Brady was innocent.

    But this should surprise no one. We’re talking about a group of people that continue to insist that the Patriot’s first three Superbowl championships are tainted because of a rule that didn’t get enacted until after they won those three Superbowls.

    Hating Brady is a religion to some people, and facts and evidence simply don’t work on zealots.

    —————————–

    It is fascinating to be given a glimpse inside of the Patriots fans mindset. It seems they have a “persecution complex” which enables them to justify that not turning over evidence is irrelevant because no one believes them in the first place.

    Is there a place in the after life by his side for those who remain true to the faith?

    This cult is spiraling ever lower.

  187. The NFL not being truthful about anything and providing only certain bits of info without bothering to provide all the info because it shows that 5 million couldn’t buy a couple more phone calls and meetings with various people?

    Le Gasp! That never happens!

    lulz

  188. Brady better be paying for keesler’s legal fees. If not, this charade represents Brady’s abuse of the union’s coffers and certainly the other players. Brady should be ashamed.

    I hope he has a tiger like fall.

    But to be honest – what tiger did was personal in nature.

    What Brady did was cheat the game.

    As a sports fan – I can tell you that one is much worse than the other.

  189. Quite a few holes in this article. First how can Tom Brady’s attorney attest to the fact that all of the phone numbers from a destroyed cell phone be accounted for in the spreadsheet? The cell phone was destroyed, so one of two things occurred, the attorney’s put together the spreadsheet prior to the cell phone being destroyed, which indicates they understood the importance of the evidence that was destroyed or they put the spreadsheet together after the phone was destroyed and would have had to rely on Brady providing this information. Well he is the person who destroyed the cell phone in the first place and therefore there is no credibility to be assigned to a list he helps construct.

    Also if you read the footnote carefully, Brady’s certified agents stated the follow:

    ” the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained.”

    Here are the problems in this statement, if the individual doesn’t have any relationship with the NFL then the league has no way to compel them to provide the information. So the League can “contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages” but the individuals can simply say “No”, and now this isn’t Brady covering anything up, it is the individuals that are cause a problem which is completely outside the control of Brady.

    Finally the quote above states the League can request production of any text message that “were retained”. Well I think it is a pretty good assumption that at this point no relevant texts would have been retained by anyone. Just look at the log of calls Brady made to the employees who handled the footballs, surely with that volume of calls there would have been discussions around the wisdom of retaining text messages. On that front, wouldn’t the easiest thing for Brady to have done is turn his phone over to the league, instead of destroying it days before he was interviewed by the investigators? This is a joke, routinely destroying old phones does not explain why in these specific circumstances that phone would be destroyed. Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would have turned this phone over to their attorney’s, if there was nothing to hide.

  190. It’d probably have cost a lot less than $5 million to track down a list of phone numbers. Just saying.

  191. Give us a break. Brady instructed that his phone be destroyed just prior to the moment it was required for his Appeal.

    Tell us also how Hillary had nothing to hide when she selectively screened what emails to produce and what ones to destroy.

  192. Great article, very stupid on the nfl’s part. They knew the nflpa had Brady’s back and would go to court and that should terrify the NFL. They aren’t judge, jury and executioner in a real court of law so they can’t get away with the same garbage that falsely penalized Brady and the Patriots!! Which is great for Brady and the Pats but not for the NFL. I mean Brady could have gotten 2 games knocked off if he admitted guilt but he wouldn’t. That says a LOT on Brady’s behalf. Not only that but he tried to help them get the texts now? I mean what r we doing here!? The science also shows the balls weren’t even under more than they should have been!!! This is so nuts and I can’t wait to see them eat the NFL alive for this crap!! EVERYTHING about this points to brady and the Patriots’ innocence yet we still have to deal with this?? That’s insane

  193. Florio is the biggest Brady apologist. Does he really think it’s reasonable for the NFL to sort through every text message and hunt down every person?

  194. Regardless of guilt or not…

    This entire debacle is Goodell’s arrogance and his fault. And no matter who I root for and what I believe, this is a slam dunk win for the player.

  195. Mark my words. Brady will not appeal. He will wait about a week then say something about not “feeling” like he did anything wrong but he will accept the punishment “for the good of the team”, in order to move on. Such a prince, he is.

  196. LOL

    A spreadsheet.

    Not phone records, but a document written by Brady showing his texts.

    Let me guess, none to Belicheat or Kraft or other members of that morally bankrupt organization.

  197. otheirony says:
    Jul 29, 2015 7:12 AM
    The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

    ESPN…NFL….dishonest. Both. Media overall is nothing but agenda pushing opinions writers. There is NO real reporting.

    Look how awful this is and it’s only football. Benghazi? Iran? Borders?

    Until the professional politicians are thrown out nothing will change….anywhere.

    Rome fell from within, as will America. The complete lack of honesty, objectivity coupled with the intense hatred of some will destroy us. One only has to read the posts of the Haters….with so little evidence, none of them read the reports, they have made decisions that may affect an entire season…..only to further their own interests.

    Sad.

    A Packer Fan

    A little dramatic aren’t we? And completely misses the point. Let me see if I can explain.

    1) I am an employer
    2) You work for me
    3) You are accused of a violation of my rules
    4) I either have the evidence or I don’t – one decides the outcome BUT
    5) You destroy evidence in the process and are evasive

    I CAN FIRE YOU.

    This isn’t about world peace or politics (and btw, I don’t think half of what you decry as the destruction of America is actually destructing America, it’s people like you creating fear that it is). This is about a business, with rules, and the responsibility to enforce it. I am so sorry this doesn’t fit some legal standard of probability, which quite frankly as a non-practicing but educated law man I think it does. But it does fit the rules of common sense and good/bad judgment that – as an employer – I get to follow. Brady is guilty – or stupid. Either way he gets his suspension and his legacy is rightly affected.

    Oh and btw? Rome didn’t fall because of anything you mentioned, and America isn’t falling because of anything you mentioned. Rome ceased to be enlightened, and didn’t evolve with the world it had conquered. That’s pretty much what you’re espousing.

  198. Will Goodell and the NFL hand over their phones when a federal court comes calling? I imagine a few phones have been “destroyed” recently.

  199. Would a working cell phone not have included any deletions? The actual messages and not just to/from phone numbers should be available from the cell provider given a court order.

  200. Did anyone else catch the “after the hearing” part were Brady decided to make this information public. Sounds to me like he was scrambling because the hearing didnt go well. Lets also not forget that they were going to provide a spead sheet that they made up…. not ALL the actual contacts from the phone, ya know……cause he destroyed it…..

  201. Florio – why are you hating on the NFL for not taking the time and effort to retrieve 10,000 text messages, when if Brady didn’t destroy his phone, then said time and effort wouldn’t have needed to be exerted? That was a straight dirtbag attorney move – just create a ton of work for your opponent, not unlike dumping thousands of documents in the name of “discovery”.

    Also – how would Goodell trust that the list with all the numbers that Brady texted would be full and accurate, when the man providing the list (Brady) DESTROYED his cell phone when investigators were asking for it.

    What if I was accused of imbezzlement and I had 5 signed documents proving my guilt. Upon investigation, I shred those documents along with 9,995 other irrelevant documents. Oh wait, it’s okay, because I will “help” you retrieve those documents by pointing to the shredder(s) I used and the trash bags I dumped the pieces in.

    Come on Florio. Do you really agree with what you write or are you just trying to spark debate?

  202. I will agree that the destruction of the phone seems curious and unnecessary, but doesn’t this clearly show that Brady provided the NFL with the info they wanted? Regardless of whether it was later in the process than they wanted, they can no longer claim he didn’t cooperate.

    Oh, but they will.

    I’m ready for this whole thing to go away.

  203. Good grief…Florio got ahold of Brady’s agent’s propoganda pamphlet again. Lets all recall that Brady chose to destroy his phone. After doing so, his lawyers decided to place the onus on the league to chase after whatever text messages they deemed important from friends & collieges of Brady’s, who had no obligation or viable reason to want to provide the NFL with any evidence against Brady. This obstructive, time consuming, waste of time endevor accompanied by the report of it being released within hours of the upheld suspension is just more of the anti-league smear campaign being waged by the cheater’s propoganda machine. Frankly, it’s hilarious how ilconcieved Brady’s whole defense has been! Rule #1 when trying to win an argument is you have to address the core issue or you owill never make progress. The core issue now is JJ & JM texts along with the fact Brady destroyed his phone on the same day as he was meeting with investigators. There is absolutely no chance Brady can win if he can’t directly and conclusively address these 2 very damaging issues..which it’s highly unlikely they will able to do that. An intelligent person would realize that this contied denial direction further erodes thier image. Again, unless he has conclusive proof refuting what is already universaly known.

  204. Please, help me understand a few things:

    Why did the two “suspects” (the Patrtiots employees accused) give special code names, oops, I mean silly little nicknames to each other?

    Why did they insult our intelligence by suggesting “The Deflator” was used because the guy was a little round in the midsection (that has to be one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever heard)?

    Why were the two aforementioned Patriots employees, who Kraft and Brady said were completely innocent, terminated from their positions? If they’re innocent, then they’re innocent, no?

    Why did Tom Brady destroy his cell phone the day he was supposed to meet Wells? He could have simply left it at his house…

    Why does Tom Brady insist on opening his mouth to cover himself at every turn if he’s truly innocent?

    Why was he sweating during the pre-Super Bowl interview with Costas?

    Legitimate questions with very questionable answers in return from the Pats, Brady, and their fans. Holes are abound in this DeflateGate, most of them dug by Brady himself.
    It’s a shame the Seahawks were stupid and LOST that game, make no mistake, the Patriots didn’t win the Super Bowl, the Seahawks had it won and handed the game to the Pats on a platter.

    And to the PFT staff, I will keep posting this if you insist on removing it.

  205. The NFL set the precedent by LYING/leaking FALSE information from the get go. That in no way supports the NFL’s so called search for credence in this case. While the destroying of the cell phone does raise suspicion, it would not keep the NFL from obtaining the necessary information. Everyone is asking how you can trust Tom Brady’s camp and the spreadsheet they sent over. I guess we’ll never know, until the federal case commences, since the NFL gave zero effort to even investigate. Why would anyone cooperate with the NFL, guitly or innocent (especially since guilt seemed to be a forgone conclusion from the beginning), with those kind of standards? Honestly I’m interested to see what happens in federal court. I’m not convinced Tom Brady did or did not do anything to the footballs, though I believe there is most definitely a case to be made for both sides with Brady looking like he is garnering more strength each day (many of you will disagree I’m sure!). In federal court the truth will come out. All the information necessary to the case will be subpoenaed and EVERYTHING will come to light. Going this route is going to be very intriguing.

  206. and the denial of the obvious continues by Brady and pats fans, smh. I mean the lies you have to believe to be a pats fan are amazing. wow, just wow

  207. Why in the heck didn’t they just say they deflated the dam balls to make them easier to work with, fine us. Hey, it ain’t like he beat the hell out of his wife on camera then tried to deny it until the tape became available to prove it.

    I guess if you beat your wife or girlfriend you get 2 games and if you mess with a football you get a 2 mil find, four games suspension and raked over the coals by the league.

  208. Why were the ball guys fired if you did nothing wrong?

    Clown organization up there in the North east.

  209. Maybe it’s just me, but bringing in a prepared list of phone numbers AFTER the hearing has concluded, and saying that the NFL can go chase all these people down if they want AFTER the hearing looks like it’s just Brady’s lawyers trying to plant the seed for this hearing that they offered to cooperate when in actuality, they refused.

  210. Question for Florio: would you be excusing Tom Brady’s arrogant behavior of destroying his cell phone when he knew Wells would want to see it, if Tom Brady played for the Dolphins? Gee Richie Incognito turned over his cell phone during the BullyGate investigation…so arrogant elitist Tom Brady, who plays for a cheating coach (Shula calls him “Belicheat”) and wh0 plays for an owner who wants to kill off half the planet with his GMOS, gets to destroy his cell phone and that’s okay with you, Florio?

  211. Brady had already told the Wells investigators that they weren’t getting the phone, that they had no legal right to the phone and make no mistake about it– that phone (regardless of what a lot of people think) was never going to be brought into court. The Wells investigators told the Brady people that they could just tell them what relevant info was on the phone—Brady did that, didn’t he? And after spending 4 or 5 months and $5 million on an investigation all the sudden it was not ‘practical’ to track down (dial phone numbers given them) a few dozen people at most?!

    No Brady, no banner!

  212. I am a fan of Due Process and Fair Play, none of which is how the NFL is conducting itself.

    This fiasco SHOWS the rest of the owners what kind of nonsense they can keep expecting from Goodell in the future. Will this be enough for the owners to finally dump

    BTW, bady’s best revenge id to take the Patriots to win the next three Super Bowls while smirking at his haters.

  213. “but trust me I will give you everything that is relevant.”

    Okay genius, this is exactly what Wells requested from Brady originally. So how has that changed exactly?

  214. I appreciate Florio searching for the nuggets that create reasonable doubt. O.J. Simpson’s lawyers did that with great success. However, any reasonably intelligent, sane person that looked at the evidence knows O.J. did it. Same thing here. Rather than look at small nuggets, look at the big picture. That’s what the NFL is doing, and that’s why Brady is suspended.

  215. Florio you used to be a lawyer – what would you say if on the day of a hearing the other side turned up and said “we didn’t preserve the evidence you asked for, in fact we took positive actions to destroy it! Oh but here’s a roundabout way to recreate it that will take you months of effort and may or may not be succesful.” You would have asked the Judge for sanctions and they would have been granted.

    I love this site and have been here since the beginning but you are so wrong about this story I wonder what is going on?

  216. It’s great that they offered the many, many phone numbers that Brady received and sent texts from. But why, for the love of all that is holy, would he destroy the phone that could have taken care of it without more investigations happening? I know the NFL (Goodell) sucks as Commissioner. He hands out punishments that are inconsistent and there’s no doubt in my mind he’s been seedy to say the least. However, all I can say is if Tom Brady’s innocent, then why not supply the actual phone that can prove it? The only reason a player in this circumstance would choose to destroy a piece of evidence that can clear his name and ask them to go way out of their way to do so is if he has something to hide and make the other side work a lot harder to find it out.

  217. jmc8888 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:53 PM

    Goodell took the media and the public as fools, and many seem to be just fine with being played as one.
    ————————————

    Some of them didn’t have to be played as fools.

    Most of them post here as Patriots haters.

  218. The NFL offered to reduce Brady’s suspension if he admitted:

    1. Some Patriots employees did something wrong; and

    2. He failed to fully cooperate during the investigation.

    Note that this offer would *not* have required any admission of guilt by Brady himself, yet Brady rejected this settlement offer outright. That Brady refused to accept a settlement offer that would have cleared his own name, but assigned some guilt to others, says volumes about how he feels about this case.

  219. Imagine if the Raiders had been the organization caught in Spygate and Deflate-gate. It makes me sick at how this team has been allowed to cheat and get away with it for all these years starting even before the “tuck-rule” debacle.

  220. tbone4444 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 12:46 AM

    Nope…Sorry. Here is the fatal flaw in the authors reasoning. His destroyed phone is the only proof, even that not adequate if he deleted conversations. He can “offer” all he wants to help find texts BUT there is never a guarantee that he isn’t only cherry picking certain people he texted, likely ones which wouldn’t incriminate him. Without his phone there is never a guarantee about who, what, why and when with regards to sending, responding amd receiving. Perhaps his texts instructed those he was texting to delete the conversation. How is that not explicitly clear?
    _________________________________

    Here is the fatal flaw with your argument, and those of people with similar opinions:

    It’s not Brady’s job to prove his innocence. It’s the NFL’s job to prove he did something wrong. The NFL failed to do so, and so now they’re trying to punish him and ruin his reputation by blaming him for their failures.

    Furthermore, they do not need his phone to find out who he talked to. If they’re afraid it would be an incomplete list, all they’d have to do is counter by asking him for permission to view his phone records. His phone company would have a complete list of every number he communicated with…the vast majority of which could be ruled out through common sense. So, if they really wanted that info, the NFL could have a complete list, and the number of people they’d actually have to interview wouldn’t be all that large.

    The truth is that they have failed to prove that anything happened, or that Brady had anything to do with that thing they can’t prove actually happened. To try and hide those truths, they’re justifying their actions by focusing on something that seems bad in the wrong context (that they’re so generously providing), but actually proves nothing. Seriously, when have you ever heard of so many leaks (many of which are just plain wrong) come from the investigators themselves?

  221. imhotep1946 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 2:23 PM

    Imagine if the Raiders had been the organization caught in Spygate and Deflate-gate. It makes me sick at how this team has been allowed to cheat and get away with it for all these years starting even before the “tuck-rule” debacle.
    ________________________________

    1. They didn’t “get away” with Spygate. They got hit pretty good for something that is seen as being bigger than what it really was. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been punished, or they didn’t violate a rule. I’m just saying that the punishment was severe enough to at least make up for what they actually did.

    2. The NFL never proved that Deflategate was a real thing. That didn’t stop them from fining the Pats, taking away a 1st round pick, and benching one of the best QBs of all time for 4 games. I don’t see how anyone could refer to that as getting away with something.

    3. The Pats neither created, nor asked for the tuck rule call. It was a real rule that was correctly called by the ref. While I personally think it’s one of the dumbest rules ever, I don’t believe a ref should ever feel like they have the power to ignore a standing rule. If I remember correctly, the Pats have been on the other end of a tuck rule call as well. Not in as big of a game, however.

    P.S. Is there a more paranoid fanbase than the Raiders? Everything that happens is somehow a vendetta against them, despite the fact that they’ve had as many strange call go in their favor as have gone against them.

  222. If you read the appeal report it states afterward a Brady Rep. gave them a letter from Brady’s phone carrier stating no texts can be recovered from the destroyed phone.

    Also some on here have mentioned there is a short time frame that phone carriers save the full texts. Rendering the offer of the spreadsheet useless.

    And the only way to see the texts were his phone.
    Because of JJ/JM’s deleted and unretrievable texts it also played a factor.

  223. kracker315 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 10:02 AM

    Did anyone else catch the “after the hearing” part were Brady decided to make this information public. Sounds to me like he was scrambling because the hearing didnt go well. Lets also not forget that they were going to provide a spead sheet that they made up…. not ALL the actual contacts from the phone, ya know……cause he destroyed it…..
    _______________________________
    Did you miss the part where after months and millions of dollars spent investigating, Brady’s camp was given 4 hours to prepare for the appeal?

  224. The Wells report actually convinced me that Brady was innocent

    the report itself indicates the Colt balls deflated by the same amount as the Patriot balls. This should have exonerated Brady and McNally

    Kraft is not a fool. He has vigorously defended Brady and attacked his friend Goodell.
    Brady is a smart guy, he would not risk breaking the law and perjure himself. Neither would he trust McNally and jastremski to keep silent if a conspiracy existed among them to deflate the balls.

    The NFL has been caught lying about this scandel from day one. I do not trust Goodell nor his media henchmen. Goodell and the media have shifted the focus away from the facts, because they lack any evidence…and they get the media to spread false rumors to keep the heat on Brady. This has been worse than a witch hunt, they have defamed the reputation of one of their star players to keep the heat off themselves for mismanagement of the NFL

  225. With all infos from thousands of texts from different people, Wells did not find anything saying Brady asked anybody to deflate the balls under regulation, that, and hours and days of interrogation. Brady testified for hours plus the appeal hearing under oath and still it’s not enough for Goodell. The only thing that will satisfy Goodell is for Brady to break down and admit guilt which he, Brady, adamantly denies so as to justify Goodell stupidity in wasting time and money. True to his public relations root, Goodell carefully calibrated his word “destroyed” to evoke a powerful image. The public as expected swallowed it up mindlessly. Goodell knows how to play people. Brady is destroyed the first time the NFL deliberately lied about the 11 out 12 footballs way under the allowed limit. Lied for months. Brady and the Pats were kept in the dark. And now Brady “destroyed” his phone. The phone that Wells did not need and the NFL has no right to possess. Brady a free man did what he wants to do with his property and is now being denied his right to earn a living and most importantly stymied to clear his name. This is U.S.A. Powerful men abuse their powers but Americans fight for their right. Justice for Brady! Justice for Free Men!

  226. This entire logic is ridiculous. Brady’s lawyers offered nothing more than a self-compiled Excel spreadsheet that they pinky-promise is 100% accurate after Brady ordered his phone destroyed and failed to alert the NFL to this fact until it was beyond the time frame for being retrieved from the carrier, and tried to claim this was routine for him despite having a trail of unbroken cell phones.

    Furthermore, why should the NFL go out of it’s way for Brady’s sake, after he has repeatedly laughed in their face at the suggestion that HE, the golden child, should even be questioned? The suspension was for a lack of cooperation. And destroying a cell phone you’ve been notified has been requested for review (whether they have a legal right to it or not) is beyond uncooperative to outright obstruction.

  227. “Brady’s lawyers offered nothing more than a self-compiled Excel spreadsheet that they pinky-promise is 100% accurate”

    Read the Wells Report. According to Wells, that’s all he wanted.

    Try again.

  228. lostsok says:
    Jul 28, 2015 11:13 PM
    So…they wanted the league to go on a massive fishing hunt in a giant pond…instead of just saying “here’s the phone, we have nothing to hide.”

    Yeah. That’s not suspicious.

    And of the hundreds of numbers on that spreadsheet…how can they verify there wasn’t a number or two “accidentally” omitted?

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    So you are basically saying even if Brady did turn over a bunch of texts that wouldn’t have been good enough because obviously he didnt turn everything in

    See what I’m getting at here?

    So he couldn’t win…Maybe that’s why He didn’t play that game to begin with? He wasnt going to win…Wells says right in his report Brady completely cooperated, the phone was never necessary…Now that the science proves nothing happened, NOW the phone is important…But Brady “destroyed” it ,,,

    Wake up man,,,

  229. Even if you are a Pats hater, you gotta admit the league is looking more Capritious/suspect with each passing day.

  230. I am confused. If the Patriots footballs were inflated to the proper adjuster air pressure based on the logo gauge for the temperature of the day, then should the question that should be asked is why were the Colts balls higher?????

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