Ruling mischaracterizes Brady’s testimony about communications with Jastremski

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When the NFL released the 20-page, single-space ruling upholding the four-game suspension imposed on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady without also releasing the transcript, it was impossible to verify the accuracy of any conclusions reached in the ruling. The transcript has now been released, and plenty of comparing-and-contrasting is going on.

The idea for this one comes from Doug Kyed of NESN.com, who compared a key conclusion drawn by Commissioner Roger Goodell regarding Brady’s credibility to the raw testimony generated in Goodell’s presence. And it’s clear that Goodell’s characterization reflects an incomplete (at best) review of the overall testimony.

At page 8 of the ruling, Goodell writes: “Mr. Brady testified that he was unable to recall any specifics of [his] discussions [with John Jastremski] and he suggested that their principle subject was the preparation of game balls for the Super Bowl. But the need for such frequent communication beginning on January 19 is difficult to square with the fact that there apparently was no need to communicate by cellphone with Mr. Jastremski or to meet personally with him in the ‘QB room’ during the preceding twenty weeks of the regular season and post-season prior to the AFC Championship Game. . . . The sharper contrast between the almost complete absence of communications through the AFC Championship Game and the extraordinary volume of communications during the three days following the AFC Championship Game undermines any suggestion that the communications addressed only preparation of footballs for the Super Bowl rather than the tampering allegations and their anticipated responses to inquiries about the tampering.”

Within that quote, the ruling drops the following footnote: “In response to the question, ‘Why were you talking to Mr. Jastremski in those two weeks?,’ Mr. Brady responded, in sum: ‘I think most of the conversations centered around breaking in the balls.’ For reasons noted, I do not fully credit that testimony.”

(Before going any farther, there’s a subtle blurring of the lines between the text of the ruling and the footnote. The text suggests Brady said he and Jastremski “only” discussed football preparation; the footnote quotes Brady as saying “most” of the conversations focused on breaking in the balls.)

Basically, Goodell thinks Brady was trying to conceal or downplay that fact that he talked to Jastremski about the tampering allegations. If, under that theory, Brady was trying to hide that fact that he and Jastremski talked about the allegations, Brady would ultimately be trying to hide the fact that were hoping to get their ducks in a row, for illegitimate purposes.

If Brady had testified consistently throughout the hearing that they only discussed getting footballs ready for the Super Bowl, that would indeed be a little curious — even though Brady testified that he wanted to be sure that the 100 balls (not 12) used for the Super Bowl would be properly broken in, without the use of Lexol, which would have made the balls slick if it would have unexpectedly rained while the retractable roof at the University of Phoenix Stadium was opened. (Brady said it had rained after New England’s last game in Phoenix; it also rained there on several days during the week preceding the game.)

But here’s the thing. Brady ADMITTED on multiple occasions that he talked to Jastremski about the tampering allegations.

At page 79, Brady testified that he texted Jastremski “You good, Johnny boy?” because Jastremski was “obviously nervous [about] the fact that these allegations were coming out that they would fall back on him.”

Later, at page 130, Brady testified while explaining an 11-minute call with Jastresmki on January 19, the day after the AFC title game: “I don’t remember exactly what we discussed. But like I said, there was two things that were happening. One was the allegations which we were facing and the second was getting ready for the Super Bowl, which both of those things have never happened before. [Editor’s note: It wasn’t the first time Brady went to a Super Bowl, but it was the first Super Bowl for the Patriots with Jastremski in that specific job.] So me talking to him about those things were unprecedented, you know, he was the person that I would be communicating with.” (Emphasis added.)

At page 144, Brady further elaborates on the reasons for phone calls with Jastresmki on January 19, 20, and 21: “[T]he initial report was that none of the Colts’ balls were deflated, but the Patriots, all the Patriots’ balls were. So I think trying to figure out what happened was certainly my concern and trying to figure out, you know, what could be — possibly could have happened to those balls.” (Emphasis added.)

To summarize, the ruling concluded that Brady testified that he didn’t speak to Jastresmki about the tampering allegations, which caused Goodell to disregard Brady’s denial of “awareness and consent” to the deflation scheme: “[T]he unusual pattern of communication between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game cannot readily be explained as unrelated to conversations about the alleged tampering of the game balls,” Goodell wrote at page 8 of the ruling.

But Brady testified — on multiple occasions — that he and Jastremski talked about the situation. And why wouldn’t they have talked? At that time, the NFL had told the Patriots that one of their footballs was measured at 10.1 PSI, ESPN had reported that 11 of 12 footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum, and the NFL had informed the Patriots that none of the Colts footballs measured below the 12.5 PSI minimum. Apart from the fact that each of these three contentions weren’t factual, they gave Brady plenty of reason to be talking to Jastremski, not to line up a lie but to try to figure out how someone could have taken so much air out of the footballs.

We now know that no one took that much air out of the footballs. For now, the new wrinkle is that the NFL forgot, conveniently or otherwise, that Brady had admitted talking to Jastremski about the tampering allegation when concluding that Brady had failed to admit to such communications, and in turn concluding that his denial of awareness and consent to a deflation scheme wasn’t believable.

285 responses to “Ruling mischaracterizes Brady’s testimony about communications with Jastremski

  1. Further proof that Roger should be relieved of his duties of handling appeals. At this point, maybe he should be relieved of his duties as the commissioner. He is obviously either oblivious or a liar. I am not sure which is worse.

  2. I’m so tired of this. The public opinion die has been cast already. The vast majority of fans believe Brady is a cheater. Period. Everyone keeps talking about the specifics of this one instance. But the public doesn’t care anymore about the specifics of this particular case because they believe this was going on for a long time. Brady will forever be tainted just like Clemons, Bonds, Armstrong, Arod, etc. The dammage is already done. It’s over.

  3. I’ve seen better run prison tattoo shops.

    Fire Goodell. Exonerate Brady. Return the picks and the mil. And then play Football.

  4. I don’t care anymore who said what to who or who did what!

    It’s Goodell’s and the NFL’s fault for not regulating air pressure. Ensuring proper air pressure in the game balls should be the ref’s responsibility, PERIOD.

  5. New England has a 15 year documented history of dominating the league and winning Lombardis. This year was no different. Some people reallly don’t like it.

  6. It boggles the mind that Goodell runs an organization of this size and can do it so poorly.

  7. Look, I want to believe Brady, I really do, but after reading the testimony of both sides today I just can’t. The balls were tampered with. Read the last 30-40 pages of the appeal hearing where Dr. Steffy and Dr. Marlow dissect the AEI findings. Just read it, people. I love the Pats, but the only remaining question here is whether or not the punishment was fair, based on only a “general awareness” Whether not not tampering occurred isn’t even a question in my mind any more.

  8. Roger “The Manipulator” Goodell is a ruthless conniver.

    He’d make a great politician. I see a Senate run when he gets canned.

  9. Could the NFL and Goodell look any more suspect? This is getting to the point of absurdity.

    This is exactly why the NFL didn’t want the appeal transcript open to the public.

    Thank you Judge for doing the right thing making the information available to the public.

  10. Doesn’t fit NFL narrative

    This is and has always been an Attempt to cover up the NFL screwing up a sting opporation.

  11. Puh-leeze. This is getting comical. Why don’t you ask again about The Deflator guy who was really just trying to lose weight. Let me reiterate something… The guy who handled the freaking footballs called himself The Deflator. Stop with this nonsense. It’s embarrassing.

  12. Wow!! NFL front office just seems to be more and more credible as time goes on. If you were trying to get the media and fans off the scent of the Ray Rice debacle, you have accomplished your goal. Congratulations! Success breeds contempt!

  13. Pick one:

    A Liar And A Cheat: The Tom Brady Story.

    A False Legacy: The Bill Belicick Story

    Win At All Costs: The Robert Kraft Story.

  14. The NFL lied
    Goodell lied
    Wells lied
    The Ravens lied
    The Colts lied
    The only person and the only organization that have been completely honest during this entire witch hunt and execution is Tom Brady and the NE Patriots.
    Apparently, the NFL adheres to the Nevada Gaming Commission template of predetermined outcomes.

  15. “…..a league office drunk on power, overwhelmed by prejudice……” Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

    “Roger Goodell’s NFL has shown a penchant for interpreting evidence in the harshest possible light so as to feed its zealous punishment apparatus…………..” Kevin Draper, Deadspin

  16. It’s absolute Bananaland that we will wake up tomorrow in a world where Roger Goodell still has a job as the head of the most popular and powerful sport in this country. Utterly boggles the mind.

  17. Goodell spends too much of his time counting his money…hence, he can’t keep up with the job and/or what’s going on. Otherwise he is a liar & crook…

    Time to dump him and beg Condoleezza Rice to replace him…

  18. “Mischaracterizes”

    I’ll substitute a four-letter word for this six-syllable one:

    lies

    Goodell lied in his statement justifying denying Brady’s appeal. He claimed that Brady said one thing and then said he didn’t find Brady’s explanation credible.

    But of course Brady didn’t say the thing Goodell claimed he did.

    One has to wonder just how many times Goodell can get away with lying in public. The sports media have enabled this behavior by deferring to him and helping to trash the career of the most prominent journalist to call Goodell out for his pattern of lying.

  19. Goodell is in over his head. To me, this is proof of bias and futhers the NFLPA position that Goodell can’t/couldn’t be impartial and open-minded.

    More and more it seems to me, that this was a conspiracy and a set up, and a poorly done one at that.

    Sad. Goodell must go. Get Tags back for w2 years.

    A Packer Fan. And a sad NFL fan.

  20. The NFL should be going down in this one, but that’s up to Judge Berman. What a sleaze element. Goodell wanted so much to come off like the tough sheriff that he forgot about fairness. The conspiracy theories and stings that Patriots fans all brought up early on have proven to all be true. The Ravens, Colts, and an ex-Jets employee are all tied up in this. It’s kind of pathetic.

  21. This makes no sense. of course Brady talked to Jastremski after AFC Championship, they were accused of cheating. Brady didn’t talk to him before because there was no reason to because they weren’t cheating. So Brady wanted to make sure the guys were screwing with the balls because he never told them to screw with the balls.

  22. This is the problem when you give the NFL 5 months to defame you and only 4 hours to wage a defense, and the defense is simply scoffed at.

    I wish judge Berman could read florio

  23. This was all about Goodell trying to appease 31 other teams and their fan bases because his reputation had been demolished. Should never have been more than a fine for equipment violation.

  24. The transcript does not read well for the NFL. Obviously the ruling was written under the presumption that the transcript would be kept confidential.

  25. And now Goodell’s reputation takes an even bigger hit if he fails on this, so he obviously won’t back off. What a joke.

  26. Mischaracterizations of testimony will not endear the NFL to a federal judge. Since Brady was not afforded the right to confront his accuser or to cross examine, it seems inconceivable that the NFL will succeed. I remain convinced that the penalty is a strong arm tactic to get Brady to waive his rights to sue for intentional defamation (with malice) by NFL officials. We will see if the federal court agrees when it sees the full record. If the court does agree ….

  27. To be honest, I’m getting pretty tired of reading about this garbage.

    A man was called “the deflator” for God’s sake!! Can anyone honestly explain that??? and let’s not even get into the Pats explanation for it.. Yea, it’s a weight loss nickname..lol

    and the cell phone… i mean, come on. You’re innocent and you don’t give it up? and then you destroy it because that’s “common”..

    Anyone that believes stuff like this should honestly not be permitted to operate a motor vehicle..

  28. This will turn out to be the biggest scandal in the history of American sport….this may be hyperbole but maybe not…But if this is the end of Goodell that would be enough.

  29. I hope the owners are happy with what Goodell has brought them. Incompetence, corruption, and deception. We’ll be seeing Brady on the field in week one and hopefully Goodell will be on the way out.

  30. I’ve read most of the appeal document and what is completely believable is the incompetence of Roger Goodell. And it also jumped off the pages to me when Brady was testifying, the NFL was trying to slant questions to catch him in a lie… which they did not. Brady completely clear with his answers and would not allow the NFL “muddy” the waters in their questions to confuse him.
    I always knew Goodell was on a witch hunt, but this document seals it. His findings ignore direct testimony to the dispute his ruling.

  31. I guess tonight everyone is focusing on Brady’s testimony. I am hoping that attention shifts to Wells tomorrow. His testimony is such B.S., trying to give speeches and avoiding questions. As bad as he is, the one that looks the worst, besides the Exponent person, is Troy Vincent. Kessler has him admitting his incompetence over and over.

  32. Mike, if you were not an attorney there would be almost nothing for you to write about on PFT. Thankfully the Pats have provided you with plenty of single spaced lawyer speak to decipher for years to come……

  33. Florio Jr must have got away with a lot of shenanigans since you require proof beyond a shadow of a doubt before passing judgment .
    If you caught him in a few lies when he was explaining what happened. Someone else must have put the beer on ice behind the garage, I didn’t know anything about it. My friend beer dude ? We just call him that, has nothing to do with getting beer for us. The video from our security camera that would cover the period of time when the beer was put behind the garage, I always destroy that when I come home.

  34. Omg the more I read the more Goodell and the NFL are total scumbags. Convenient how when they came out with the press release for Brady destroying his cell they never once printed his explanation of why he did it. Goodell needs to be terminated for this smear campaign. He is a total scumbag

  35. I am shocked that Goodell is a lying liar.

    No, wait. The opposite of shocked. I am the opposite of shocked. The only way I know Goodell is lying is that I can see his lips moving.

  36. The main thing I got from reading that part of the testimony earlier tonight was that Brady could not recall the specifics of his discussions with Jastremski. How many times does Brady say ” I don’t recall” during that section of the questioning?

    The answer is many times.

    The fact that Brady admits to discussing deflation with Jastremski does not exonerate him.

  37. Pure gold. Why Goodell even still has a job at this point is a complete mystery. And this entire “investigation” has been a trumped-up sham from the start.

  38. Here’s the thing: If you want to criticize Goodell’s decision as result oriented, so be it. The players agreed to that in the CBA. But in nit picking the decision, don’t miss the point: Brady denied “remember[ing] exactly what we discussed” about the alleged tampering, other than “trying to figure out what happened.” Oh really? Does that explain the increased amount of traffic? And poor recall? Sure, a trier of fact could have so concluded, but a trier of fact could have also concluded, as Goddell did, that Brady was lying, which most everyone believes. Yet, PFT continues to carry NE’s water.

  39. You can seek and find all the loopholes and “unfair” lawyer tactics you want, nobody can make Tom Brady a credible witness. Any brief scan of the testimony clearly reveals that fact.

    As in any case, the finder of fact, makes it clear that if you find ANY of the testimony of a witness to be FALSE, you can reasonably infer that ALL of the testimony is FALSE and base your opinion upon that premise.

    One example: Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls? How was he able to determine they were overinflated? After all, he doesn’t squeeze them and it doesn’t matter to him how much air is in them, since he “holds the ball loosely”, like a golf club?

    What could Kessler have done, since he’s the super lawyer who will DESTROY the NFL? I say nothing more, because Brady sunk himself. He’s simply NOT credible and he’s about to get himself in serious trouble by continuing down this road.

    Playing the first 4 games will be the least of his problems. He may be facing jail time, if he keeps it up. LONGEST YARD SEQUEL?

  40. Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.

  41. Is the NFL run by monkeys? No, seriously. Are they?

    Silly question, any monkey has more brains than the average NFL executive.

    And some of these guys are lawyers? Are you kidding me? What kind of qualification does it take to land in the NFL front office if these are the best they can get?

  42. I feel like I’m watching Rocky. Brady got knocked out in the first bout. The Wells Report in Context and the AEI report were Brady’s workout montage and now we are about to witness the rematch, only Brady is far more prepared for this bout. How does Rocky usually end?

  43. It’s like I said the other night… you’re gonna see that nobody comes out clean when this is all said and done.

    Tap Dancin’ Tom, Rampaging Roger, Krafty Kraft… they’re all getting caught in their own webs of fibs, fabrications and waffles. Now it comes down to whose lawyers can whitewash this best.

    And meanwhile, we the innocent bystanding fans of all other teams, have to swallow this dirty daily dose of mud smoothies. Good job all o’ you!

  44. Spygate, screwing with the scoreboard at the end of the 2013 AFC Championship game, now we learn they were screwing with the Ravens kicking balls last year, deflating footballs by The Deflator who disappeared into a bathroom with the game balls….it’s sweet that the erstwhile lawyer Florio has adopted Tom Brady as his pet cause – to the extent that I seriously question whether he’s on Pretty Boy’s payroll – but how many gyrations & strained explanations will we be subjected to in these repeated attempts to mask the obvious? That the Patriots are sadly & unfortunately an organization of chronic cheaters. Sure, BB is a great coach & TB is a great QB…just like Barry Bonds & Aroid are great baseball players – but they are all cheats nonetheless & thankfully 75% of the public see these frauds (referring to the Pats) as the cheats that they are! Comfort yourselves however you must #PatsNation – the vast majority of the rest of the world see your team as the cheats & frauds that they are!

  45. I now feel for the Patriots. This is disgusting and childish by the people in the League office.
    This is cruel actually.
    #Smeargate should be the “Everybody is talking about it, what is Smeargate? Well it appears the NFL smeared the Patriots through out the NFL created deflategate. That was not a real gate, smeargate on the other hand…

  46. When God is done talking to Wilson, do you think he might just fling a small lightning bolt at Goodell?

  47. I want to preface this as a Patriots fan…

    Assuming Mr. Brady is lying about the texts and calls and he was texting Mr. Jastremski about lying to cover it up (what the NFL supposes), one has to believe the organization wasn’t in on the matter. Why else would they text and call each other instead of using closed meeting rooms at the team facilities? The ones where the NFL couldn’t catch them doing the ‘bad stuff’ and would leave no traces?

    Mr Brady is an NFLPA rep. I’m sure he would have seen cases where the NFL has investigated before.

    If Mr Brady were lying, then that would necessarily imply that the Patriots (as an organization) were not complicit in these actions and therefore should not be responsible to pay for the violations.

    If Mr Brady is telling the truth… then the NFL is wrong for punishing either the team or Mr Brady.

  48. From Dean Snyder:

    A. So first finding is that their analysis of
    23 the difference in differences, the analysis of the
    24 pressure drops and the difference in the average
    25 pressure drops is wrong because Exponent did not
    1 include timing and the effects of timing in that
    2 analysis.
    3 Secondly, Exponent looked at the variation
    4 and the measurements between the Patriots’ balls and
    5 the Colts’ balls at halftime. They compared the
    6 variances. And despite conceding that there was no
    7 statistically significant difference between the
    8 two, they went ahead and drew conclusions, but those
    9 conclusions are improper.
    10 And, last, and this goes to the issue of
    11 alternative assumptions, as well as error, if the
    12 logo gauge was used to measure the Patriots’ balls
    13 before the game, then given what the framework that
    14 Exponent provides us with scientifically, and if the
    15 analysis is done correctly, eight of the eleven
    16 Patriots’ balls are above the relevant scientific
    17 threshold.

    ++++++++++++++++

    No one can reliably prove that the balls were under inflated. Everything after that is conjecture by the League for whatever reason. Where does the evidence take you if the psi is where it was supposed to be? This was a manufactured scandal and badly bungled investigation by the League.

    (IMO) After reading the transcript I cannot in any way, shape or form believe that Goodell comprehended the statistical analysis of the science.

  49. Goodell has been caught in so many lies….how can anyone believe anything this man says?

    Goodell
    Wells
    Harbaugh
    Pagano
    Grigson
    Kensil
    Pash

    those are the real liars.

  50. “qdog112 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:31 PM
    You can seek and find all the loopholes and “unfair” lawyer tactics you want, nobody can make Tom Brady a credible witness. Any brief scan of the testimony clearly reveals that fact.

    As in any case, the finder of fact, makes it clear that if you find ANY of the testimony of a witness to be FALSE, you can reasonably infer that ALL of the testimony is FALSE and base your opinion upon that premise.

    One example: Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls? How was he able to determine they were overinflated? After all, he doesn’t squeeze them and it doesn’t matter to him how much air is in them, since he “holds the ball loosely”, like a golf club?

    What could Kessler have done, since he’s the super lawyer who will DESTROY the NFL? I say nothing more, because Brady sunk himself. He’s simply NOT credible and he’s about to get himself in serious trouble by continuing down this road.

    Playing the first 4 games will be the least of his problems. He may be facing jail time, if he keeps it up. LONGEST YARD SEQUEL?”

    These aren’t loopholes, they’re lies. Did you see the aspect about the Dave Gardi LIE that he sent to the Patriots about 1 ball being measured at 10.1? How can you honestly trust the NFL, when at this point it has been proven that they intentionally LIED and leaked false information? They lied to the Patriots and the public! They are the only liars here! Any Patriots “lie” is subject to an opinion, thus making it not an actual lie.

    So based on your own feelings about testimony, it is reasonable to question EVERYTHING the NFL says, correct?

  51. Despite all of this, if Brady just came out in the beginning and said he didn’t know the rules, he would have been fined and not suspended. And best of all, we wouldn’t be talking about this 6 months later.

  52. I’ve been saying Goodell is a joke for months now
    and is an embarrassment to that league.

    Yet many of you on here give me the thumbs down
    routine.

    Well, hate to say I told you so but…….

  53. “We now know that no one took that much air out of the footballs. For now, the new wrinkle is that the NFL forgot, conveniently or otherwise, that Brady had admitted talking to Jastremski about the tampering allegation when concluding that Brady had failed to admit to such communications, and in turn concluding that his denial of awareness and consent to a deflation scheme wasn’t believable.”

    Down goes Goofdell. Down goes Goofdell.

    Peel back the onion, and see more NFL lies and obfuscation.

    #framegatelivebyvirtueofgoodellremainingcommsioner

  54. The NFL lied
    ESPN lied
    Wells lied
    Vincent lied
    Pash lied
    The Colts lied
    The Ravens lied

    Finally confirmation that this was a sting operation perpetrated by NE’s arch rivals and sanctioned by the NFL and its executioners
    FIFA has nothing on Goodell’s NFL

  55. It’s funny how now that facts are coming out, nobody outside New England wants to talk about this anymore. When people could just assume guilt based on a “sense” and a “feeling” they just couldn’t get enough. But now that only one man has testified under oath and that man has not been found to lie about anything, it’s not so fun. Now that all the other players have lied, and it’s been documented – now people want it to go away. Goodall, Kensil, Vincent, Harbaugh, Grigson – all lied, all proven. Irsay lied too but he was wicked high so he can’t be held accountable.

  56. “kellyh3034 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:28 PM
    Look at this from both sides please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Must not be fun to be stuck on the wrong side of this, huh? I get it, science is hard to understand, but for anyone that was able to pass high school physics, this story ended a long time ago. The only question left to answer was how strong is the NFL and to what extent will they continue this lie?

  57. What’s this? Patriot Hater STILL THINKS THEIR TEAM IS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ON THE FIELD WITH THE WORKD CHAMPIONS???????

    AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  58. Sting Operation:

    It is our position that there is no policy,
    4 no precedent, no notice that has ever been given to
    5 any player in the NFL that they could be subject to
    6 any type of discipline, whether it’s conduct
    7 detrimental discipline or whether it is under the
    8 policy that has been invoked here for being
    9 generally aware of something.

  59. Alot of conveniently forgetting things that exonerate Brady and the Patriots.

    It was a sting and a cover up that the NFL is trying to shove down fans throats.

    I hope the judge informs the NFL that they will lose big time in a trial.

  60. So let me get this straight.

    The league introduced false information (on the psi levels,) used Brady’s shock, confusion etc. against him, even though he admitted that he discussed this with the equipment guy, then justified their punishment on the basis of these discussions, which they falsely claim he denied.

    All this to take down their marquee player.

    The league is in so far over its head it’s embarrassing.

  61. I don’t care at all about the Patriots or Tom Brady. But since I am a Redskins fan and my team has no realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl, I have hoping that the Patriots win the SB this. Just so that we can all get the image of Robert Kraft and Tom Brady up on stage accepting the Lombardi Trophy from Goodell. Would be one of the best/most awkward 10 seconds in sports histroy.

  62. We’re very comfortable with the facts that filming once from a different spot on the field and not deflating footballs hasn’t detracted one bit from the historically awesome team we’ve had, lo these many years. You can rant and rave, but if that’s all you have, it ain’t much at all.

    Ravens fans, on the other hand, have to withstand actual, real criminals in their midst, and become loathsome apologists for them–all while crying about legal substitutions in a game they lost. That’s a tough two-fer.

  63. Halfway into this slog and there are a few takeaways:
    -Brady sounds almost exactly like he did at that press conference. He likes the balls a “certain way” and is incapable of explaining it very well.
    -The appeal hearing tramscript offers up much more detail and it makes him more credible on that score. That is versus the “he is hiding something” narrative that has dominated the narrative.
    -If Brady had a do over he would have done it differently. But 20/20 hindsight ignores the corrosive atmosphere of that moment in time.
    -Snyder is familiar with this format. Every time Reisner tries to trip him up with gibberish he has a believable come back answer. Snyder bided his time and zinged him pretty good on the society of statisticians membership crap.
    -Reisner comes cross as a (gag) lawyer. His move to strike comments and gothcha strategy are not good optics. Especially when the gothchas fail.
    -Goodell is better seen then heard. He out of his element here and often comes across as really needing, wanting, Brady to be guilty. This is supposed to be an independent hearing.
    -People who are predisposed to think Brady is guilty will find enough crumbs to keep them happy.
    -No idea what Berman will read, but I think this transcript favors NFLPA and Brady.

  64. I thought I couldn’t lose more respect for Goodell after the Ray Rice debacle, but I was wrong. At first, I couldn’t tell if he was corrupt or just incompetent, but now it’s becoming obvious… painfully obvious that he is just unbelievably incompetent. He is a disgrace to the NFL.

  65. Based upon this, If there is a way, Kraft should appeal the fine levied and picks docked by Goodell. He took it on the chin for the league but he was lied to by Goodell and his cronies.

  66. No matter the outcome the league has suffered serious damage. This is all on the commish. He’s mishandled so very much this past year. He needs to go.

  67. It’s obvious Brady is guilty and not cooperating. Does Mr. Florio have a personal grudge against this commissioner? It sure as heck sounds like it. Either that or he doesn’t have anything worthwhile to talk about with the season just around the corner.

  68. Clear and irrefutable evidence on the record exposing the Commish’s bias and malicious intent. That is grounds for vacating his decisions.

    I’ve been saying since day one “The only thing the Pats are guilty of is getting caught.” I’m starting to think this was really a sting and frame job by an NFL jealous of their success.

    Their determinations at every decision point have more holes than Swiss cheese.

  69. mswravens says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:35 PM

    Spygate, screwing with the scoreboard at the end of the 2013 AFC Championship game, now we learn they were screwing with the Ravens…[blah blah blah]

    ———
    Must be tough to be a Ravens fan these days, what with their being prone to rantin’ and ravin’ and all.

  70. qdog112 says:

    You can seek and find all the loopholes and “unfair” lawyer tactics you want, nobody can make Tom Brady a credible witness. Any brief scan of the testimony clearly reveals that fact.

    One example: Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls? How was he able to determine they were overinflated? After all, he doesn’t squeeze them and it doesn’t matter to him how much air is in them, since he “holds the ball loosely”, like a golf club?******************************
    Well, I can tell someone hasn’t read the transcript.
    He didn’t think about inflation at all. He was pissed that they didn’t seem like the balls that were prepared for him. It was Jemstremski that found they were at 16 lbs. It does go a lot to explain why Brady was so bad that night- playing with balls that were 2 1/2 lbs PSI over legal.

  71. The weight that Brady and, by extension, Kraft and Belichick have had to bear is substantial. At least that is the conventional wisdom.

    I think the three of them have yet to kick a dog, bite a nail, or see a clergyman over this whole parade of stupid. I think they are collaborative without having to be in hourly closed-door meetings to get the story straight. This comes from trusting and believing that none of them did anything wrong.

    On the flip side, the Shield is taking on more water that it can bail. Plan B by the entire owner group is underway.

  72. I usually side with management, but the goes beyond any stretch of the imagination.

    Why is it the NFL comes off as unprepared, simplistic, and vindictive but the NFLPA comes off as measurde, informed and logical?

    It seems like the League’s strategy was to ask the same question 75 different ways and see if they could catch someone contradicting themselves or just say the NFLPA is wrong without any explanation behind their decision.

    If perception truly is reality, I perceive the NFL Commissioner’s office to full of arrogant a**-clowns.

  73. Did the ruling “MISCHARACTERIZE” the Brady testimony or did it “LIE” about the testimony. I think we all know that if there was a shred of evidence indicating anything less than 100% honesty from Brady, we would all call that a LIE. In this case though, where we have documented proof of a dishonest statement from the league, the word “MISCHARACTERIZE” is chosen.

    Brady testified under oath, nothing he has said has been proven to be inaccurate or dishonest. Time for all the accusers to start testifying under oath. Tom had the integrity to do it, time for all the others to show half as much integrity. The lied, it’s proven. Everything the league says is coming from PROVEN LIARS.

  74. First, the union was idiotic for giving Good-sell power to decide these cases. The owners are idiots for insisting he be given this power – you can find retired judges who can conduct truly independent proceedings not a kangaroo court and maybe the one good thing that comes of this is that the process get changed.

    And the overlooked procedure change where teams were given control of game balls after Peyton and Brady lobbied for a change needs to be done away with as well – so we can talk about competition on the field and not this sorry episode anymore

  75. The commissioner is referring to the vagueness of Toms responses, Tom knows exactly what they talked about on those calls, but his generic responses of “I can’t remember” did him in, plain and simple, Goodell sat there listening to Tom, and knew he’s not telling the whole truth. Tom just isn’t a good liar, I’m not surprised, it’s Tom, the most wholesome,pure,genuine human alive! Of course he’s not a good liar, no practice!

  76. The more of this cr@p I read, the more disgusted by Roger Goodell I become. Seriously. To think at one point in time Pete Rozelle was the commissioner of the NFL… it boggles the mind and really reinforces just how much a treasure Rozelle was. I can not for the life of me fathom Rozelle or Paul Tagliabue ever letting something like this EVER get to this point. Yeah, it’s a different time now days. But still. Men of character know how to handle themselves and be true leaders. Goodell isn’t worthy to shine Paul Tagliabue’s shoes let alone hold the same position that was once Rozelle’s. It’s ridiculous to say the least. My rooting interests lie in the NFC North, but I am fully standing the corner of Patriot fans. Their team is getting screwed. And you know what, they will continue to dominate regardless. Tom Brady didn’t get this good for this long because of the PSI of the football. Good grief.

  77. Perhaps MsWRavens needs to Google ex-Raven’s Jeff Blake and read his candid admission about deflating footballs.

    Or Terrell Suggs admission that the Ravens had a bounty on Hines Ward and Rashard Mendenhall.

    Or perhaps question why Harbaugh keeps throwing challenge flags when there is nothing to challenge but yet his defense needs a few more seconds to get prepared.

  78. toddsuperbowles says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:20 PM
    Head spinning. The only thing clear at this point is that Florio wants Goodell’s job.
    **********************
    Seriously, I think he actually do that job and do it better than GODell.

  79. couchpotatodad misstates the testimony:

    Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.

    ********************************
    Obviously another hater who doesn’t take the time to read the transcript.
    1) This wasn’t the regular season – They had 100 balls to get get ready.
    2) They did discuss the deflation controversy as testified by Brady and lied about by Goodell.
    3) Brady said these conversations with Jastremski took place all the time during the regular season at the stadium. But because it was the Superbowl, the team had days off and so Brady had to call him from his home.

  80. Look I’m as much of a patriot hater as anyone. When this story first came out I was quick to condemn Brady and the Pats. At this point im sure Brady is a little more guilty than he is letting on. But the one thing that is absolutely irrefutable is that Roger Goddell is absolutely incompetent beyond belief. More than anything now, I just hope this ends with him being canned.

  81. ouchpotatodad says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:32 PM
    Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.
    —————————————————————-

    Maybe because the false leaks came after the AFCCG?

    Who in their right mind wouldn’t want to know what happened to the footballs after those leaks came out.

    Or do you believe Brady would be the only QB in the league (or player for that matter) who would call their equipment manager the next day and asked what happened when something wasn’t normal with their equipment?

  82. The judge needs to step up and listen to all the evidence. If he does there will be many occasions where the Patriots cheated. Ask every player or coach in the AFC East and they will tell you funny things always happen in cheatboro. I’ve called it for years.

  83. I can’t believe Goodell didn’t kick Belichick out of the league for cheating twice now. Patriot fans are such clowns they have no idea the punishment they would had received if the commish wasn’t a pats fan.

  84. Sorry MF but the genius of the “people” has somehow managed to miss your point entirely…

    Goodell denying the appeal based on…“[T]he unusual pattern of communication between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game cannot readily be explained as unrelated to conversations about the alleged tampering of the game balls,”

    Brady testifies under oath that they talked about the deflation but Goodell emphasizes in upholding that Brady could not have had unrelated conversations… what?

    So let me rephrase this for you Roger so you can tell Judge Berman your logic:

    I found the witness not credible because he testified under oath that he had conversations with Jastremski about the deflation controversy
    so I upheld the suspension because he could not have had unrelated ( to the deflation controversy) conversations….yup that’s what I said/did your honor….

    and yes we did not have time or interest in checking those 28 electronic messages Brady gave us because…well we just didn’t have time…

    like when we only could test 4 Colts balls at halftime because….well we ran out of time….

    and please dont ask me about that NFL employee we fired because because he was stealing game balls and introducing unmarked balls into the game…

    and can I go now please…

    #Integrity

  85. Whenever someone states “I don’t recall ” in their stories. You know they’re covering up on their lies.

  86. Ok. Enough. This is what we call in the profession as paralysis by overanalysis.

    The simplest an sweet is what we’ve known all along. He texted the ball boy a million times and met him in the sanctuarial qb room to get their stories straight. End of story.

  87. mswravens says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:35 PM
    …but how many gyrations & strained explanations will we be subjected to in these repeated attempts to mask the obvious?
    __________________________________
    As long as teams keep whining to the league there will be accusations. The Jets, the Ravens and the Colts have all made their accusation after getting beat. I am 110% confident that the Pats will keep beating them and Harbaugh, Grigson and Woody will keep whining to the league asking for rule changes and investigations.

  88. jchipwood says:
    Aug 4, 2015 11:22 PM
    The judge needs to step up and listen to all the evidence. If he does there will be many occasions where the Patriots cheated. Ask every player or coach in the AFC East and they will tell you funny things always happen in cheatboro. I’ve called it for years.

    —————-
    Chippy – how many “players or coaches in the AFC East” have you spoken to? I think I know the answer.

    If the over/under is .5 I am taking the under.

  89. You know if you read the whole article you’ll see that Brady was trying to find out what happened to the footballs, don’t forget this is AFTER the ESPN report of 11 out of 12 balls were 2LBS. under the legal limit…I think I’d want to know what happened too.

    Also, if you read a little more you’ll see he was trying to back Jastremski up telling him he didn’t do anything wrong! Then there’s also the point of 100 footballs having to be prepared for the SB.

  90. Brady clearly states in testimony that he did not like the feel of the balls for jets game.He never knew they were overinflated until the day after the game, when Jablanski measured them because Brady complained the balls felt different. It’s pretty obvious to those who took time to read his testimony that Brady is telling the truth and there are reasonable answers to most of the questions.

    Again Brady voluntarily testified under oath, and he is therefore subject to perjury charges if he is found to have lied. Pretty bold move if you believe he told hundreds of lies. I prefer a much simpler explanation: HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH!

  91. Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan sent an email to G.M. Ryan Grigson before the AFC Championship saying that the Ravens’ special teams coach, Jerry Rosburg, had called Colts head coach Chuck Pagano to warn him of potential problems with game balls. According to the email, the Ravens had problems in their own playoff loss to the Patriots the week before, and urged the Colts to be careful.

    “I heard all that, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it,” Harbaugh told Bob Costas. “It’s ridiculous, it never happened, I’ve been, I never made any call, nobody in our organization made any call. As a matter of fact, just to make sure I had all the facts, I called up Chuck Pagano and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about deflated footballs?’ and he said, ‘No way.’”

  92. Hope Brady buries that weasel Goddell for the smear campaign he has done on him and the Patriots organization. This whole thing stinks, Goddell is out of control

  93. No explanation of the NFL allowing a FALSE story that strongly implied deliberate tampering to remain uncorrected for months.

    NFL calls it an “independent investigation” then claims its communications with Wells are “attorney-client privilege” proving that Wells was the NFL’s attorney, not an independent investigator.

    NFL asks each side if the testimony of the equipment guys is necessary. When Pats say no, NFL claims it can simply “infer” that if they had testified they would have implicated Brady.

    Bias and incompetence.

  94. This will no longer be referred to as deflategate. The new official name is Investi-gate. I don’t even like the patriots but this is complete nonsense. How could anyone take goodell seriously ever again? I honestly believe this should be the end of roger for good.

  95. Quoting a report: Pash received drafts of Wells report before it was released. NFL general counsel Jeff Pash received a draft of the Wells report before it was released, and provided written/oral comments about it to a member of Ted Wells’ investigative team, according to Wells’ testimony. Wells insisted that Pash’s written/oral comments “did not impact in any substantive fashion the conclusions with respect to findings.” He described them as “wordsmithing.”

    If that is not a set up and predetermined outcome I dont know what is. A the NFL calls this independent…OMG what a bunch of lies!

  96. Are any of these revelations going to help Brady? Is the judge actually going to study the transcript and find all of these lies from the NFL? I would hope that he would since it is what an appeal is all about…a last hope from injustice. I do worry though that nothing will come of all of this and the judge will shirk his job and delegate it to the parties to settle even though there should be no settlement. Nothing less than complete exoneration is what justice looks like here.

  97. Come on, ask yourself this question. In the other 47 Superbowls, how many AFC winning QB’s spent 15 minutes talking to a ball boy on the day after winning the AFC championship?

    Only Brady, and only to get their stories straight.

  98. New England sports fans are delusional and Tom Brady is an arrogant sociopath who believes he is untouchable and beyond reproach. Anyone with a sense of reason and logic can deduce that the organization has a culture of bending the rules in an attempt to gain a competitive advantage.

    Bellichek sees himself as a disciple of “Pop” Warner, who was known for scheming up new tricks and plays (see: forward pass) that the rule books had not yet banned until he created them. Just because the league does not have the investigative prowess of a law enforcement agency or a DA’s office doesn’t mean that it isn’t obvious that the team had a plan and process for illegally altering footballs and that Brady hasn’t been desperately trying to cover his tracks while lying through his teeth. He’s like a petulant child who won’t let go of a lie and just keeps screaming “you can’t prove anything”. Any competent adult can ascertain the truth with or without all of the evidence.

  99. You, me, and even the formidable Mr. Florio are not the judge.

    After reading this article about the unprecedented flurry of communications between Brady & Jastremski, you could be moved to exclaim:

    “AHHhh-HAAAAaa! See?? All those communications are totally logical and make sense. Brady is innocent and the NFL was out to get him.”

    But you could also easily say:

    “AHHhh-HAAAAaa! See?? Brady admits talking to Jastremski about deflating footballs. And all his other tap-dancing answers are just about Brady coming up with the best possible lie”.

    As these info-dumps come out piecemeal, I would advise not getting too high or too low based your hope for the outcome.

    You never know how a judge is going to evaluate each piece of evidence within the context of the case.

    Don’t set yourself up for another gut-punch as when Kraft initially accepted the penalties. And vice versa for the folks who are sure there was cheating of course.

  100. How many people can remember what they discussed 5 months ago. You may have a general idea, but not exactly word for word. It doesn’t prove you’re lying just because you can’t recall, its not a crime because you forgot something you say to another person 5 months ago.

  101. Again I say. …Roger how could you have let this happen? Obviously the league was aware before the game that opponents were complaining about under inflated balls. Just like Rozelle and Tagliabue why not pick up the phone and warn the team or teams?
    Instead a controversy over minimal Psi differential has now harmed the league and once again you, Roger.
    Instead of a warning, the league swoops in and conducts a police like search without the proper controls and procedures. The resulting Wells report is a cross- examining attorney’s dream. It is almost like
    cross- examining Dennis Fung in the Simpson case. ” so you used two
    different pressure gauges that generated very different measurements”? ….Oh one had a crooked needle? …
    Bottom line Roger these side shows are killing you. Give up the Judge and jury oversight. I know you think it is the right of the
    Commissioner to make the final decision. We know the CBA grants you that right. However the perception remains that the players really had no say in the matter. The perception remains that the NFLPA is really a paper tiger. Thus the public perception that your power is
    not properly gained. Remember what Dr. May used to say ” inequality of bargaining power is where freedom of contract ceases to be real freedom of contract.”
    In other words your power is illegitimate. So you have decisions to make. Do you act like your predecessor ( whom you believe sold out the owners in 2006 ) and work behind the scenes or continue your confrontational ways.
    You have alienated the players ( which have an average career of 2-3 years …so you don’t care ) you have lost the fans support . Now you have an influential owner not happy . So why continue. Give it up !

  102. I can’t believe how ignorant the Haters are… every time Goodell’s team twists facts, they drink his Koolaid, let alone pretend the Patriots “cheat” more than any other NFL team has over the past 60 years… stick em, roids, painkillers pumped by Shula, legal videotaping before it was illegal so “oh my gosh” someone among 80,000 fans can see a coach’s signs. Anyone w/ a brain can see anyone facing the NFL’s leaked lies would be trying to figure out what the heck happened after the game and Brady said so. Now we have more proof the NFL henchmen spin, spin, spin rather than tell the ignorant Haters all of the facts. You can criticize Florio for lawyering, but if you can read, read the hundreds of pages of b.s. pumped out by the NFL. Whether not Brady did the equivalent of scuffing a baseball, this is a complete and pathetic sham to protect Goodell’s power at the cost of his greatest player & a model for any winning franchise – not only playing and working as hard as anyone despite riches & success, but staying clean off the field and sacrificing salary to increase his team’s odds of winning. Get over your jealousy and admit no matter what, the NFL’s integrity is a joke and they have done far more damage than Brady EVER did!

  103. I think Brady was lying and that is why Goodell dismissed his need for all sorts of conversations after not having them for the entire season. The idea that it was only about what to do next during Super Bowl week and what was going on only is ridiculous. They were getting their story straight. This is ridiculous that people believe this nonsense from this Cheater. Almost as ridiculius as Deflator is about losing weight, going in bathroom after the refs checked the balls with the balls unsupervised is not against the rules, and destroying your phone is about changing it. Oh yeah, and having the fewest fumbles in the league since 2007 is a coincidence. Even though they were middle of the pack before then.

    There is just too much smoke not to be some fire. I am sorry.

  104. “One example: Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls?”

    Umm….smart guy, he did play with the balls. He said they sucked and Jastremski went back and checked them and said they’re way over. At that point, Brady became aware of pressure. It’s all spelled out. Just because you’re too dumb to read doesn’t mean someone is lying.

    With kids like you, I weep for our future.

  105. All this over how hard or soft the balls were….

    The NFL and its kangaroo court is a joke. Brady will end up doing what he does best….winning.

    If anyone even remotely thinks that the ball inflation played a factor in the drubbing the Pats gave the Colts then you are just delusional.

    Goddell thinks he can just make up the rules as he goes along.

    Goddell needs to go. He’s clearly not rational or intelligent enough to do the job properly.

  106. This has all just turned into a giant cluster ****. It should never have gotten past the league and the Patriots having a private discussion about the PSI in their footballs after the first allegations were made. That’s what would have happened to any other team, and we know that because of how the league has handled cases of ball manipulation in the past.

    Instead they tried to catch the Patriots in the act, failed to do so (probably because there was no act), and have spent months (and a lot of money) trying to spin inconclusive PSI readings and a couple out of context text messages into the scandal of the decade. Now instead of the focus being on the start of the football season, its going to be on the best player of his generation fighting the league in court. That’s just great.

    The funny part is, this has accomplished exactly what the Goodell wanted… everyone has forgotten that whole Ray Rice thing. That alone has Goodell flying a Mission Accomplished banner in his office.

  107. Much like the lawyer Florio and Pats fan are focused on the phrasing of every word, the over all theme is being lost.

    You have someone who destroyed their phone when they knew the NFL wanted to review it

    You have a QB talking to the ball boy about the “prep” of the balls before the game for 2 weeks….this is not a 2 week discussion unless the details are very elaborate.

    I think most NFL fans realize Brady did do wrong by trying to get involved in an area he has no business. QBs need to play with the balls provided. Period.

    I think the suspension will hold because he destroyed the phone and cant prove he was not talking PSI. In real legal world, if you destroy evidence then that evidence is counted against you 99% of the time unless there is other evidence to prove otherwise.

    Brady needs to man up and be honest that he probably went too far with trying to control the condition of the balls during the playoffs last year. In my mind, that is 2 games but since he destroyed the phone it adds to the guilty factor and probably why the NFL upheld the 4 game penalty.

    Next year, the NFL will take control of all the balls away from the teams during regular and playoff games. The NFL should have done that years ago to remove all this manipulation that goes on behind the scenes.

    For those Pats fans that say, he didnt want to turn over the phone because he didnt want personal data leaked…its complete BS. I have personally forensically imaged over 100 phones in the last 7 years and I can tell you that if the client (Brady) or the Court says only produce data related to these phone numbers or topics (selective words), the software does that for the technician in a nice clean report.

  108. mswravens
    “thankfully 75% of the public see these frauds (referring to the Pats) as the cheats that they are!”
    -At the time of my writing of this post you have 70 thumbs up and 252 thumbs down; a total of 322 persons who weighed in on your post.
    Assuming that A. People who agree with you thumbs up you and those that disagree with you give you a thumbs down: we see that 70/322 persons agree with your opinion.
    70/322 comes out to 21.7% which I’ll graciously round up to 22%.
    You post stating 75% of the population see the Patriots as frauds when in reality your very post shows that 78% of people do NOT feel this way.

    But, as with most fools who unconditionally trust whatever media narrative is placed in front of their eyes, facts and numbers don’t mean anything to you (kinda like the Wells Report)
    Remember: If we don’t speak up when they go after other teams no one will speak up when they come after our teams.
    -Packers fan

  109. This is officially the NFL version of the OJ trial. A guy is obviously guilty, yet there is a subset of the population who somehow is able to concoct these amazingly elaborate stories about his innocences. It’s fascinating to come to PFT, a site I used to love, and read Mike Florio (who must be on the Kraft payroll) post these stories bashing Goodell at every chance he gets. Florio will post these ridiculous excuses that require you to connect alot of unlikely dots to still reach an ambiguous conclysion, all the while ignoring blatantly obvious guilty behavior exhibited by Tom Brady in every possible way. I’m sorry Florio, you sound like Mike Gravel right now. (And please stop the one-sided crap)

  110. MR. KESSLER: No, but one other thing on the
    25 record, I would like the NFL to think about this:
    1 We have had this issue back and forth and we propose
    2 that there not be confidentiality in this matter and
    3 the NFL said they wanted confidentiality and we
    4 agreed to something and it was there.
    5 I would like to propose on behalf of the
    6 Union that we can release this transcript of this
    7 today. I would like the NFL to think about that.
    8 That’s our proposal. Despite that, I’m not talking
    9 about any of the underlying things, but at least the
    10 transcript.
    11 I think there is a great public interest in
    12 this and in the interest of transparency, that would
    13 be something that we would like to see done. So I
    14 will submit my proposal for the NFL to consider as
    15 to whether that’s possible or not.
    16 MR. LEVY: Pending the agreement, the
    17 transcript is confidential.
    18 MR. NASH: Yes.
    19 MR. KESSLER: Well, we already have that
    20 agreement, which is why I have to make this
    21 proposal —
    22 MR. NASH: Yes, we have that agreement.
    23 MR. KESSLER: — in order to see if the NFL
    24 would agree to that.

  111. Brady will have this Monica Lewinksy around his neck for the rest of his life. He richly deserves it. He knew all about it, hushed up his conspirators, and then lied about it.

  112. I get the Patriot fans holding firm with their team but they must admit Brady and his advisors do look to be trying to cover something up. Thats the way it looks to the rest of us.

  113. If you have ever been in the prison system for more than 5 minutes, you know guilty behavior and mannerisms VERY well. Brady has displayed a rather obviously guilty demeanor. Ask a police officer or a criminal if Brady is lying through his teeth about EVERYTHING. Both the cop and the criminal are both professional liars, so they can spot one of their own very easily. His very first press conference told me all I needed to know. He appeared to be incredibly nervous and thus was very clever with wearing a beanie…so they wouldn’t see him sweating. Just one of the many ways Brady has been so painfully and obviously wearing his guilt in public

  114. I just finished reading the relevant Q&A and Roger’s summary “Mr. Brady responded, in sum: ‘I think most of the conversations centered around breaking in the balls.’ For reasons noted, I do not fully credit that testimony” is clearly accurate.
    According to the testimony, Jastremski (an assistant equipment manager) texts TOM BRADY at 7:25 in the morning the day after winning the AFC Championship game “Call me when you get a second” and TOM EFFING BRADY calls him within 60 seconds and has a 13 minute phone conversation that he testifies not remembering “exactly what we talked about”………yeahhhhh righhhhttt!

  115. I just read the whole thing! Brady’s testimony is truly compelling. The science is nutty and you could go either way with it. Certainly clear is that Brady wasn’t subject to the code he’s being punished under. The fine for tampering with equipment is 5k bucks, no suspensions, no team fines. His explanations of the chats with Jastremski after the AFC championship game make perfect sense.

    Up till now, I was convinced Brady was guilty but vastly over-punished. Now, I swear, I think the guy is innocent. I’ve been fooled before. As far as the texts, I still have no idea.

  116. I think Florio’s reporting on the entire Deflategate process has been dead on. No one, even Goodell has gone through all of the material like Florio has, and he’s set the bar for impartial, fact based reporting, on a lengthy and complicated process with a lot of detail, testimony, and fact based records. And Florio does all of this with the eye of an attorney, which he is. Readers of PFT have to go-too source of information on this matter.

    Everything else I read, almost always quotes PFT as their authoritive source… Well done Mike Florio!

  117. As a Bear fan, I could really care less about the Pats one way or the other, but two things stand out.

    1. Goodell/NFL are NOT handling this well.

    2. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will change my gut feeling that Brady (at least) knew about the ball situation, and none of his actions/words have led me to believe otherwise.

    Both of the above can exist simultaneously. Just because Goodell/NFL are handling this poorly doesn’t automatically mean Brady did nothing untoward.

    I could care less in the end.

    Go Bears (?) 😉

  118. Here is the really sad part, it’s mostly only Patriots fans who care anymore. 90% of other football fans either are ignoring these articles and sticking by their initial impressions of Brady guilt, or they are just tired of hearing about it and want it to go away.

    The same thing happened with Bountygate. The NFL came out with their report, everyone was up in arms. Everyone formed their opinions. Everyone got their pitchforks and demanded blood. Over the next year article after article gets released poking holes in the NFL’s report and showing how much of what they said was outright fabrication to fit their narrative. By that point though, only Saints fans were listening. They were begging everyone else to care, but no one did.

    Patriots fans, I am still listening.

  119. gbpshareholder says:
    Aug 4, 2015 11:23 PM
    Bash Goodell all you want, 31 of his “bosses” like the money he makes and he isn’t going anywhere…

    ————

    Some times sticking with the devil you know isn’t the right move. The NFL makes the money, not Goodell. I think it would be easy to find someone just as good fumancially without all the drama.

  120. davetrembley says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:29 PM
    The main thing I got from reading that part of the testimony earlier tonight was that Brady could not recall the specifics of his discussions with Jastremski. How many times does Brady say ” I don’t recall” during that section of the questioning?

    The answer is many times.

    The fact that Brady admits to discussing deflation with Jastremski does not exonerate him.

    ————

    Talking to a guy you haven’t really talked to before doesn’t make you guilty.

    If anything it would be alarming that he talked to the guy all the time before the AFCCG because it would confirm his involvement in some kind of scheme. Afterward he had a good reason to talk to the guy. If Brady was purposely avoiding phone communication before the AFCCG with his so called accomplice then why suddenly not care about talking to him via phone after the accusations?

  121. couchpotatodad says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:32 PM
    Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.

    ———–

    This is also a point in favor of Brady. He never talked to this guy at all when he was supposedly working with him to systematically break the rules yet freely spoke with him via phone right after the AFCCG when he actually had a legit reason to be talking to him.

  122. If only someone hadn’t broken in to Bradys house and destroyed the cell phone that would prove his innocence!

    What? Brady destroyed it? That’s…… Odd.

  123. sleetmiles says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:31 PM
    Here’s the thing: If you want to criticize Goodell’s decision as result oriented, so be it. The players agreed to that in the CBA. But in nit picking the decision, don’t miss the point: Brady denied “remember[ing] exactly what we discussed” about the alleged tampering, other than “trying to figure out what happened.” Oh really? Does that explain the increased amount of traffic? And poor recall? Sure, a trier of fact could have so concluded, but a trier of fact could have also concluded, as Goddell did, that Brady was lying, which most everyone believes. Yet, PFT continues to carry NE’s water.

    ————–

    It wasn’t in Brady’s best interest to recall details regarding his discussions on tampering charges. It would be used against him, innocent or not. Second, to me this just proves Brady wasn’t secretly telling this guy to deflate balls as Brady only talked to him after he wanted to understand what was going on.

  124. jchipwood says:
    Aug 4, 2015 11:22 PM
    The judge needs to step up and listen to all the evidence. If he does there will be many occasions where the Patriots cheated. Ask every player or coach in the AFC East and they will tell you funny things always happen in cheatboro. I’ve called it for years.

    ——————–

    Losers always think they were cheated, it’s easier than thinking they were not as good as their opponent. Truth is Belichick didn’t win without Tom and Tom is the reason the Patriots have been great for so long. Tom is great. He’s the one that made all those plays to win Super Bowls and it wasn’t because balls were deflated by .4 psi.

  125. Goodell won’t be getting old before he’ll be voted out by the owners. He seems to be on short time. Goodell doesn’t even sound like he’s that good of an attorney.

  126. Goodell won’t be getting old before he’ll be voted out by the owners. He seems to be on short time. Goodell doesn’t even sound like he’s that good of an attorney.

  127. mswravens says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:35 PM
    Spygate, screwing with the scoreboard at the end of the 2013 AFC Championship game, now we learn they were screwing with the Ravens kicking balls last year, deflating footballs by The Deflator who disappeared into a bathroom with the game balls….it’s sweet that the erstwhile lawyer Florio has adopted Tom Brady as his pet cause – to the extent that I seriously question whether he’s on Pretty Boy’s payroll – but how many gyrations & strained explanations will we be subjected to in these repeated attempts to mask the obvious? That the Patriots are sadly & unfortunately an organization of chronic cheaters. Sure, BB is a great coach & TB is a great QB…just like Barry Bonds & Aroid are great baseball players – but they are all cheats nonetheless & thankfully 75% of the public see these frauds (referring to the Pats) as the cheats that they are! Comfort yourselves however you must #PatsNation – the vast majority of the rest of the world see your team as the cheats & frauds that they are!

    ————–

    All that matters is that the 4 Super Bowl trophies are in the record books. Everything that goes wrong in a game isn’t cheating. Those things happen in every stadium in many games. It’s a mental complex to think you are getting cheated all the time when actually you are being bested.

  128. I realize that most people don’t have the time to read the whole report (I did), but you should not comment unless you have at least read a thorough summary of what is in there. There is a good reason the NFLPA and Brady wanted this out (and in fact mid-deposition asked that the transcripts be made public, which the NFL opposed per a prior agreement). Like it or not, Brady had a credible explanation for everything (and per this article, admitted post-Colts game, he did discuss the football issue with JJ, along with his preparation of 100 balls for the Superbowl game because the prior 2 games (Jets balloon balls and Colts game, there had been issues with the balls). Also, the NFLPA had a better command of the rulebook and the science. And better preparation and lawyering by far.

    Goodell seems clueless (thought the Jets game in question was played in NY; at one point Kessler had to spell w-a-r-m to him because Goodell thought he was saying that MN was “warning” the footballs on the sidelines). Vincent looks worse and referenced an internal report that was never turned over, then bumbled as to whether both Carolina and Minn were caught warming (not warning Rog!) the balls or just MN. Kessler tore the Exponent expert to shreds. Wells was bombastic and pedantic.

    I am wasting my time writing this for the majority of people on this Board, but just take away that the NFLPA WANTED this out – and for very good reason.

  129. Disclaimer: Not blowing sunshine up Florio’s dress here. I’ve called him out plenty of times in the past. but I gotta say…

    Through this debacle I’ve gained a heck a lot of appreciation for having a NFL analyst with a juris doctorate on this case. It’s cases like this that remind us how valuable lawyers can be because at the end of the day we are all accountable to the Law.

    Keep it up, Mike! I have a feeling your influence will only increase with this case.

  130. Some of the arguments from the haters are really making them look stupid and uneducated….so sad and pathetic. Like the one saying “Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls? How was he able to determine they were overinflated? After all, he doesn’t squeeze them and it doesn’t matter to him how much air is in them, since he “holds the ball loosely”, like a golf club?” Have you ever tried gripping a ball that’s at 12.5 versus a ball that is at 16.0? Guarantee you would know the difference. Some people are so dense SMDH

  131. What if the NFL wouldn’t pay attention to claims by their Superstars Manning and Brady to have own balls at the games? They put so much pressure that they changed the rules because of those 2 clowns. What, you don’t like how the balls feel? Play a different sport. Braking in balls, taking care of them, inflating gas in the kicking balls. Why? Just give them new balls for every game.

  132. Defending Goodell in this is like defending a corrupt high school principal. You only like the fact that he’s going after some guy (team) you hate. It’s not a stretch to know the haters posting here are probably Ravens, Colts & Jets fans that are very sore losers.

  133. Remember how after the Bulls won the NBA title that the NBA started to lose mass appeal? Regardless of whose side you’re on with Deflategate, pro football is almost certainly now losing fans due to this. I’m betting TV ratings will begin decreasing. No one thinks better of Kobe compared to Michael Jordan. Wake up, NFL: You’re selling something bigger than touchdowns. Remember what happened to the NBA.

  134. This…Deflategate…is exposing corruption [ for whatever reason] from Goodell on down

    Is becoming obvious that their attempts to fraudulently discredit and damage Brady….was a sickness….Enough of one for them to ALL lie.

    Goodell needs to resign immediately…and his staff too.

  135. tmcb7 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:22 PM
    I’ve read most of the appeal document and what is completely believable is the incompetence of Roger Goodell. And it also jumped off the pages to me when Brady was testifying, the NFL was trying to slant questions to catch him in a lie… which they did not. Brady completely clear with his answers and would not allow the NFL “muddy” the waters in their questions to confuse him.
    I always knew Goodell was on a witch hunt, but this document seals it. His findings ignore direct testimony to the dispute his ruling.

    —————————————

    I disagree with your characterization of Brady’s testimony. I think he was evasive and came across as having something to hide.

    Lawyers can be very tough in questioning. That’s not just the NFL, lawyers don’t win cases by being nice, especially corporate lawyers. Do you think the NFLPA lawyers play nice when they go after the NFL?

    I think, unless the Judge finds that Goodell is not allowed under the CBA to levy a suspension for this infraction, Brady is toast.

    The problem is there is relatively little middle ground. I think the only real middle ground is with Tom serving some sort of suspension without admitting guilt.

  136. Goodell comes across as a salesman. He is always pushing one line of thought even when it does not make sense. Buy this story…buy this story….buy this story.

    don’t agree? See:

    bountygate…..where Tagliabue reversed him
    18 game schedule……”fans have a real desire for 18 games”
    Ray Rice…..a U.S. District Judge found him not credible
    And Deflategate.

    He’s a puppet and it’s time to cut the strings.

  137. mswravens says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:35 PM
    Spygate, screwing with the scoreboard at the end of the 2013 AFC Championship game, now we learn they were screwing with the Ravens kicking balls last year….

    —————————————

    Except the officials handle the K balls, not the individual teams. So when did we “learn” anything – when the Ravens made baseless allegations that their head coach denied? Some of the Ravens wanted to pile on after deflategate broke, but they barked up the wrong tree.

  138. Two missing pieces of evidence, “Johnny Boy” and the phone.

    The communications between Brady and Jastremski were obviously critical to the investigation. At this point we are left with Brady’s “recall” of the conversations. We don’t have the testimony of the other party to the conversation and as for the texts, the phone is gone.

    Both sides became aware early on that communications involving Brady’s phone would be important to the investigation. It is less than disingenuous for Brady’s camp to suggest that he wasn’t aware that any punishment could derive from the phone’s destruction. His agent is a lawyer and should know the rules pertaining to presumptions which may arise from the destruction of evidence.

    The fact that Brady had the temerity to not preserve that evidence arguably shows consciousness of his guilt.

  139. Obviously neither side comes out of this looking that great, but clearly the NFL has had an agenda with this whole thing from day one.

    Many of the haters are going to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence and regardless of the clear presence of bias in the NFL’s investigation. I have no dog in this fight, but it is glaringly obvious to me that the NFL has mishandled this from the start and once the snowball started rolling downhill they just went with the preconceived notion that the Pats were guilty and made sure that that was the conclusion Wells arrived at.

    It’s a smear job. The NFL front office should not be populated with former executives from one team who are unable to control their obvious bias.

  140. Brady is a liar and a cheater. And I’m sick of hearing about what ESPN reported. What difference does that make? This is not being tried in the court of public opinion nor the court of ESPN.

  141. At first I thought Goodell would be totally safe no matter what happened, but this is like the 6th clear thing that clearly proves the Patriots and Brady are in the right. Its beyond incompetent what Goodl is doing and I think in all of this Brady just looks like the golden boy still and Goodell looks like a horrible and cowardly man. I’d be surprised to see Goodell come through this unscathed whether it be his reputation forever or straight up losing his job. So far he’s just made Brady look better

  142. up-to-no-goodell has just gotta fry over this one…

    I cannot, however, feel bad for the Pats or their fans as they are holding their FOURTH Lombardi in 14 years!! Does that really sound like a group that needs OUR pity?! LOL

  143. The main thing I got from reading that part of the testimony earlier tonight was that Brady could not recall the specifics of his discussions with Jastremski. How many times does Brady say ” I don’t recall” during that section of the questioning?

    The answer is many times.

    The fact that Brady admits to discussing deflation with Jastremski does not exonerate him.

    ————–

    So you’re asking him to recall the specifics of a conversation he had over six months ago? Obviously they talked about “deflation” as it was being thrown in their faces like they had committed a felony. Don’t be stupid. Brady mentioned how he talked to Jastremski about it and other things such as the biggest game of his career coming up aka the Super Bowl.

    Brady: “What’s going on with all this talk about deflating balls? Did you do anything different?”

    JJ: “No idea. I didn’t deflate any balls. But we are getting killed in the media.”

    Brady: “It will be okay. I know nothing happened on our part. Let’s focus on the next game.”

    Saying “I don’t recall” means nothing in favor of the NFL. The transcript speaks for itself. The NFL should be ashamed.

  144. Basically the league is distorting and lying about the hearing to try and win the PR war. Because they know in court they are going to get slammed.
    Now the Ginger Hammer can at least claim that he was tough on Brady to all the other teams. God what a farce the NFL offices are.

  145. Interesting. After months of reading the various leaked reports, I still don’t what to think. I doubt Brady is the only QB who has has the game balls influenced one way or another. The true ‘story’ should be if Bellichick knew (I’m sure he did). That being said, I do find it curious that Brady had the ‘ballboy’s (or ballman, if your prefer)’ number and called and texted him an inordinate amount of times at just before and after huge team wins.

    I am curious to see how Brady responds on the field beginning Week 5. I fully expect a ‘scored earth’ campaign by him and Bellichick.

  146. There are phone reports, Brady cant deny speaking to him. But since when is Brady an investigator? If he did nothing wrong he would let the team handle finding out what happened. Seems odd he called to figure this out. At least one ball dropped 2 psi, thats not weather. And if you arent invovled with the deflation, then dont make yourself invovled by becoming an investigator. His call log was suspicious to say the least, we are just supposed to take brady’s word on what they talked about??? Lets see text messages. Both sides is skewing the truth, the NFL is wrong, but i think Brady cheated the game. Ultimately thats what needs to be handled.

  147. Goodell is incompetent.

    It blows my mind some of the jealous people who post here still deny this was a nfl sting/set up. They only believe roger when its against the patriots. That is a joke

  148. This all goes back to Mortensen’s false report that 11 of the 12 balls were 2 pounds underweight. That was as baffling to the Patriots as the rest of us, and completely explains both Brady’s attempts to find out how that could have happened, and his baffled demeanor during his initial press conference.

    And, of course, it never happened. Imagine if Mortensen had instead accurately reported that a couple of balls were 0.4 psi under, and the refs weren’t even sure what gauges they’d used to test them. Brady: “After the recent Jets game where the refs made us use 16 psi balls, I instructed the guys to make sure the balls were at 12.5, the legal lower limit, and to show the refs this highlighted page in the rule book if they tried to overinflate them again. We did nothing wrong, and I look forward to gifting the world thousands upon thousands of Seahawks fan reaction videos in a few weeks.” Done.

  149. As the story continues to unfold many things are evident. Brady liked the balls at the minimum. He instructed his equipment guys to do so. After officials in a game against the Jets over-inflated the balls he included in his instructions to his equip guys a note to the refs dictating the pressure he liked. So far nothing nefarious here. There is no evidence of any instruction to inflate to less than 12.5 PSI and none to prove anyone adjusted the pressure after the refs checked the balls.

    Now look at the other side of the equation. Troy Vincent used to be a player, now he resides on the management side of the discussion. It is obvious by his comments and testimony that different standards are being used for different players and teams. Look at Goddell, I truly believe he did not want this to occur but it is his fault he has surrounded himself with individuals whose hatred for and quest to discredit the Patriots is so great that they forgo all of the rules, let common sense fall by the wayside, and basically lose their ability to cognitively assess a situation before proceeding. I hope it goes tp court goes to court and Brady’s team subpeonas all of the texts, notes, and emails between Kensil, Pash, Gardi, Goodell, Wells, etc… After Brady wins I hope he sues the NFL for defamation of character and wins. I hope with the money he wins he buys property surrounding the homes of all of these idiots and rents them all to Pats fans

  150. I now understand WHY the League wanted the transcript sealed. By reviewing Godell’s appeal decision along with the transcript, it makes him look like a “non-credible” idiot.

  151. qdog112 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:31 PM

    You can seek and find all the loopholes and “unfair” lawyer tactics you want, nobody can make Tom Brady a credible witness. Any brief scan of the testimony clearly reveals that fact.

    As in any case, the finder of fact, makes it clear that if you find ANY of the testimony of a witness to be FALSE, you can reasonably infer that ALL of the testimony is FALSE and base your opinion upon that premise.

    One example: Brady doesn’t & never has paid any attention to the inflation levels of the balls, yet it was he who discovered the balls in the Jets game were OVERINFLATED. How can that be, unless he does pay attention and unless the psi is important to him? Why didn’t he just play the game with the 16psi balls? How was he able to determine they were overinflated? After all, he doesn’t squeeze them and it doesn’t matter to him how much air is in them, since he “holds the ball loosely”, like a golf club?
    ———————————–

    The answer is: He didn’t. He didn’t “discover they were overinflated”. He said they felt “hard” and he explains that when he is saying “hard” he is talking about the tactile feel of the ball. A cold football feels slick and hard because the exterior is no longer pliant. The fingertips don’t stick to it like they normally do. The same goes for an overinflated ball. Balls treated with conditioner might not feel “hard” but they can certainly feel slick and again that fingertip grip is lost.

    And regarding “grip”, people are really misled here. They think of grip as being able to squeeze something with your hand. Grip when using a football or basketball is done with the fingertips. When you throw a football, the follow through is determined by your fingertips and thumbtip as the football leaves the hand. You don’t need to squeeze the ball to do this, you just need the ball to have some tackiness so your fingertips stick a bit to it.

  152. couchpotatodad says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:32 PM

    Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.
    ————————————

    It is? I guess if you aren’t thinking critically, sure.

    The Pats had Tuesday trough Thursday off affter the AFCCG so they weren’t at the stadium. Brady is preparing for the Superbowl. He knows that this is J’s first Superbowl preparing the footballs and he has to prepare more than 100 footballs. If they aren’t on the practice field or in the stadium together, how else are they going to talk to each other? During the rest of the year, the players and the equipment manager can meet face to face.

    Do you know what the NFL didn’t do? It didn’t ask Brady about his level of communication with the the equipment manager during the previous trips to the Superbowl. It didn’t ask other SB QBs about any changes in their level of communication. It didn’t ask the previous equipment manager. They declared this an anomaly by comparing it to unlike situations.

  153. I believe Brady and Patriots because in my rational world, the Occam’s Razor method often works and in this case the simplest explanation doesn’t give me a headache. I don’t need to infer facts beyond recognition or obsess on text message decoding. I can use my common sense.

    The more we learn the more truly bizarre and grotesque deflate becomes. If you actually read the appeal transcript (frightening confession, to be sure) you can learn how we got to the stage in the delfategate farce — when Tom Brady’s attorney Jeffrey Kessler and the great investigator Ted wells go respectfully at it.
    Occam Razor time: Wells is being less than candid when he called his ‘more probable than not’ determination a close call.
    “It involved Jim McNally calling himself the deflator and saying he had not gone to ESPN yet,” Wells said. “And it involved the text message where Mr. Jastremski says he talked to Mr. Brady. And there’s a reference to McNally must have a lot of stress getting them done. If those text messages did not exist, and all we had was a break in protocol and he goes into the bathroom and just the science, the result might very well be totally different. But when you combine the break in protocol, going into the bathroom, the text messages and the science, we felt comfortable reaching a judgment. It was a totality of all of the evidence analysis that gave us comfort in deciding it was more probable than not.”
    The NFL paid more than $3 million for the Wellsian daisy chain of inferences. It’s a close call only when you stretch non connecting facts out of recognition and twist them to fit a preconceived determination. Examples abound: Wells “inferring” despite any evidence at all that Tom Brady was focused on PSI beginning in 2006. Wells simply invented that inference. Really, a bathroom break for 90 seconds or so as a linchpin piece of evidence. Any text stripped of context looks bad. Wells (and apparently Dan-o) ignored the full threads of those texts and ignored the explanations by the texters themselves: the deflator text in May 2014 was about Jastremski pilfering shoes for McNally; the so-called stress text was about McNally trying to unload season tickets for family reasons. Now you can provide your own Wellsian level of inference if you like but you can’t ignore the actual explanations: especially when there is zero evidence to contradict them. Wells infers and infers until he exhausts the infer brand.

    You can see why the NFL wanted this kept from the public: as with the Jastremski/Brady exhcnages mentioned above, Goodell and minions look petty and frankly stupid. They are also liars.

  154. The Commish is becoming a bigger embarrassment to the NFL than Donald Trump is to politicians. Why not make Joe Isuzu the next commissioner if you put up with Roger Goddell?

  155. We all knew about Goodell but after reading the appeal, Troy Vincent does not seem like a bright individual.

  156. All of you idiots are falling right into Rogers hands. You are debating text messages and phone calls. The balls weren’t underinflated! What are we talking about here?

  157. Using these examples to come to the conclusion that Goodell is confused about Brady’s deception, involvement or cover-up is really reaching, ridiculous really. This is not a criminal court, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not needed (nor is it present in my opinion). The preponderance of the evidence leans towards dishonesty and wrongdoing. That is all that is needed. Innocent people do not forget all critical conversations, destroy evidence that can exonerate them, evade answering questions forthrightly.. they just don’t!

  158. Wow. The haters here are squirming. So much so that they’re now bashing Florio for doing his job and reporting on a serious inconsistency in Goodells appeal judgment. It’s over guys, better luck next time

  159. LOL…. Brady never needed to talk to Jastremski before or after any other games, including playoffs, but all of a sudden they got each other on speed dial. We got a man nicknamed “deflator”, NFLPA refusing to add the two ballboys to the witness list, Brady destroying his phone and refusing to turn over copies of text messages, and Kraft accepting his punishment, PLUS Bellichick not one time denying it happened.

    But Brady is innocent and the Pats are being framed….

    You guys are priceless.

  160. Lawyers from Akin Gump and Paul Weiss do not make mistakes of that magnitude. That was a calculated move by the NFL and its counsel to railroad Brady.

    Clearly, they are drunk with power and due process is meaningless to them.

  161. I see we’ve moved on from trying to pretend Brady isn’t a cheat by invoking the non-law “Ideal Gas Law” to trying to get him off on a technicality. Good Pats fans. That’s the first step in healing from the fact that your hero is a cheat.

  162. jchipwood says:
    Aug 4, 2015 11:22 PM
    The judge needs to step up and listen to all the evidence. If he does there will be many occasions where the Patriots cheated. Ask every player or coach in the AFC East and they will tell you funny things always happen in cheatboro. I’ve called it for years.

    /
    Easy to make that statement. Why no specifics though? And don’t say “walkthrough” or “spygate.”

    The problem: so many imbeciles parroting unsupported claims but so few who understand how to substantiate their argument.

  163. Falcons loose a 5th and $350 grand for 2 years of crowd noise. Farmer gets suspended 4 games after the draft and 53 is all set, $250 grand team fine for texting in game. Jets get pinched $100 grand for obvious tampering

    Patriots get hit for a 1st and a 4th, $1 million fine and suspend the best QB in football 4 ames for something they can’t prove and flawed procedures after a 7 month PR hit job, $5 million dollar investigation that proved nothing and Goodell presiding as an “impartial” majistrate as a phony “appeals” officer.

    Detect any descrepancies?

  164. There is more evidence that Aaron Rodgers tries to circumvent the rules more then Tom Brady ever has.

    Brady’s guilt is assumptions, Rodgers flat out told Simms he tries to gain a competitive advantage, this would make him “generally aware” that he attempts to disobey the competitive integrity of the game yet these comments did not warrant a investigation? or even questioning from the NFL?

    Rodgers “I deliberately try to break the rules”

    Brady (under oath) “I have never asked anyone to deflate or tamper with footballs and would disapprove if I found out this was done without my knowledge”

  165. Tom Brady told the truth when he said he said he liked deflated footballs in that 2011 radio interview. Listen to it (of course it seems the station pulled the sound clip off its website now). Brady is telling the truth as part of a joke….. It’s ok with him if Gronk spikes it so hard because Brady likes deflated footballs.

    Now we find out in his appeals hearing Brady lied and said he didn’t know anything about air pressure or the rule itself until after the Jets game in October 2014. In spite of the fact he lobbied for rule changes in 2006 to allow teams greater ability to prepare the balls before the game. And by the way, Jim McNally, was referring to himself as the Deflator in May of 2014, long before that Jet game in October.

    Brady is a lying cheater. And he’s been cheating for years and years.

  166. @gottaplan If that’s the case, then all Brady should get is a fine for not cooperating with a league investigation, much like Brett Favre a few years back. That’s literally it. You can’t make things up as you go.

  167. There is more evidence that Aaron Rodgers tries to circumvent the rules more then Tom Brady ever has.

    Brady’s guilt is assumptions, Rodgers flat out told Simms he tries to gain a competitive advantage, this would make him “generally aware” that he attempts to disobey the competitive integrity of the game yet these comments did not warrant a investigation? or even questioning from the NFL? This isn’t check into at all?

    Rodgers “I deliberately try to break the rules”

    Brady (under oath) “I have never asked anyone to deflate or tamper with footballs and would disapprove if I found out this was done without my knowledge”

    hmmm

  168. gottaplan says:
    Aug 5, 2015 8:42 AM

    Using these examples to come to the conclusion that Goodell is confused about Brady’s deception, involvement or cover-up is really reaching, ridiculous really. This is not a criminal court, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is not needed (nor is it present in my opinion). The preponderance of the evidence leans towards dishonesty and wrongdoing. That is all that is needed. Innocent people do not forget all critical conversations, destroy evidence that can exonerate them, evade answering questions forthrightly.. they just don’t!
    ___________

    When did Brady forget conversations or evade any questions? I could argue that the preponderance of evidence leans more towards his innocence than guilt.

  169. Further proof that Roger should be relieved of his duties of handling appeals. At this point, maybe he should be relieved of his duties as the commissioner. He is obviously either oblivious or a liar. I am not sure which is worse.

  170. here is one thing noone can dispute.
    Roger Goodell is a liar. He lies when it is to his advantage and the he plays the ‘im protecting the shield’ car.
    Roger should show he is truly a man and resign from this fiasco but then again if he did he would be admitting guilt, admitting he was uneven in his dealings with players and basically admit that everything he stood for was a frckn sham.
    Roger, do us all a favor, catch a fast boat to you know where

  171. @moosey7195

    In this article, paragraph 3-

    “Mr. Brady testified that he was unable to recall any specifics of [his] discussions [with John Jastremski] and he suggested that their principle subject was the preparation of game balls for the Super Bowl.

    This is just one example of him “not remembering”, Also, he refused to anser the question forthrightly as to why he asked for the balls to be at the 12.5 pressure. All he had to say was he liked the pressure at the low end of the acceptable scale, which is fine and suggests no wrongdoing but instead he runs circles around the answer and evades the truthful response. He is playing games with testimony IMO, that is a sign of deception. I could go on. I’m simply making the point that these are not the actions of an honest dialogue.

  172. couchpotatodad says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:32 PM
    Even if “most” rather than “all” of the calls and texts were about prepping game balls, it’s certainly curious that there was no history of such communication throughout the regular season, postseason, or at any point until after the AFC Championship. Goodell’s point is well made.
    —————————————————-

    So, Mort – with the help of the NFL and ESPN – sets off a firestorm of controversy with his “11 of 12” tweet the day after the AFCCG, but everyone is somehow “surprised” that there would be communication between Brady and the equipment guys?

    Really?

  173. eagleswin says:
    Aug 5, 2015 6:43 AM

    tmcb7 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 10:22 PM
    I’ve read most of the appeal document and what is completely believable is the incompetence of Roger Goodell. And it also jumped off the pages to me when Brady was testifying, the NFL was trying to slant questions to catch him in a lie… which they did not. Brady completely clear with his answers and would not allow the NFL “muddy” the waters in their questions to confuse him.
    I always knew Goodell was on a witch hunt, but this document seals it. His findings ignore direct testimony to the dispute his ruling.

    —————————————

    I disagree with your characterization of Brady’s testimony. I think he was evasive and came across as having something to hide.

    Lawyers can be very tough in questioning. That’s not just the NFL, lawyers don’t win cases by being nice, especially corporate lawyers. Do you think the NFLPA lawyers play nice when they go after the NFL?

    I think, unless the Judge finds that Goodell is not allowed under the CBA to levy a suspension for this infraction, Brady is toast.

    The problem is there is relatively little middle ground. I think the only real middle ground is with Tom serving some sort of suspension without admitting guilt.

    ————-

    Brady wasn’t evasive, he just wasn’t answering questions with a lot of detail that would serve him poorly. That was sound legal advice.

    Fortunately, the judge won’t rehash any of this testimony anyway. This point is the key:

    “I think, unless the Judge finds that Goodell is not allowed under the CBA to levy a suspension for this infraction, Brady is toast.”

    This was a one off testing procedure by a league that has no idea of the effect of cold weather on their game balls. It’s also a league that has never punished an obstruction case with a suspension and it is also a league that has never punished players for team infractions and never punished any ball infraction with such a large punishment.

    All that considered there is no way Brady should be suspended whether the balls were deflated or not, whether he knew or not.

  174. On page 229 of the appeal transcript: Vincent: “14 A. It was first brought to my knowledge
    15 approximately six or seven minutes remaining in the
    16 second half [sic] of the AFC Championship Game.
    17 There was a knock on the door by the General
    18 Manager from the Indianapolis Colts, Ryan Grigson.
    19 He proceeded in the room and he brought to myself,
    20 and Mike Kensil was actually sitting to my left, and
    21 said, “We are playing with a small ball.” That was
    22 my first knowledge of the situation.
    Page 230: Vincent: “10 A. So immediately as Ryan stepped out of the
    11 room, I turned to my left and I just told Mike that
    12 during halftime we should probably look at testing
    13 all of the balls from both sidelines. And at that
    14 particular time, he was on the phone with our
    15 sideline officials putting steps in order.”
    Explain to me how Kensil is on the phone to set up the testing as Vincent is turning to tell him they should probably look at testing the balls of both teams. Kensil’s a mind reader? He somehow has a plan already in his head to perform tests that have never been done in the history of the NFL? He’s already starting an investigation before the VP of football operations, the senior exec in charge of preserving the integrity of the game even mentions looking into it? S.T.I.N.G.!

  175. jtbsteeler says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:04 AM

    He destroyed the phone. Next. Pats fans are glazing over the obvious.

    That fact wont go away.

    ————-

    It won’t even be considered. The league didn’t have the right to his phone. Also, even if it was found to be obstructing the investigation, no NFLPA member has ever been suspended for obstructing an investigation. Only a fine.

    It doesn’t help him that he did it from a optics perspective but a good judge won’t care much.

  176. Goodell claims Brady said the phone conversations were all about breaking in the footballs and then the transcript comes out and shows that Brady repeatedly said they spoke about the allegations that were being lobbed at them.

    Goodell didn’t expect that this would be released.
    Goodell was obviously disingenuous with the 20 page appeal ruling he released when you match it up with the actual appeal hearing transcript.

  177. gottaplan says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:54 AM

    @moosey7195

    In this article, paragraph 3-

    “Mr. Brady testified that he was unable to recall any specifics of [his] discussions [with John Jastremski] and he suggested that their principle subject was the preparation of game balls for the Super Bowl.

    This is just one example of him “not remembering”, Also, he refused to anser the question forthrightly as to why he asked for the balls to be at the 12.5 pressure. All he had to say was he liked the pressure at the low end of the acceptable scale, which is fine and suggests no wrongdoing but instead he runs circles around the answer and evades the truthful response. He is playing games with testimony IMO, that is a sign of deception. I could go on. I’m simply making the point that these are not the actions of an honest dialogue.
    __________________
    Dude… This article is pointing out that your quote is just not true. The transcript shows that Brady, while being unable to recite the conversation word for word, tells Goodell that they were talking about the allegations and not just the SB preparation. Brady has never said anything to the contrary. Your quote is proof of Goodell lying, not Brady, unless your thinking that because the man couldn’t provide a word for word transcript about a phone call 6 months ago that he’s somehow avoiding providing an answer. If that’s the case, then you’re insane. How is anybody expected to provide a more detailed answer about a conversation that long ago? You certainly couldn’t.

    So because Brady doesn’t give the answer you wanted to hear, he’s being deceptive? Maybe, just maybe, Brady has never been that concerned about the pressure in the footballs. Maybe it is mostly about the texture of the ball. It’s his preference, how exactly do you know it’s not an upfront answer? You aren’t Tom Brady. But this isn’t the best part. Brady said explicitly that the number they settled on after the Jets game was 12.5 in the transcript. So he gave an even more direct and explicit answer than the one you provided. How is that not being upfront? How is that deceptive? How is that running circles or playing games? It’s the most direct answer humanly possible. But please, go on

  178. restoreinteritytonnfl says Brady is a liar because his statement that he didn’t not anything about air pressure rules and regulations in his testimony. He bases this assumption that Brady was front and center in the new rule him and Manning were pushing that all QB’s should be in charge of taking care of their balls. Pun intended. Listen you haters are not in line with logical thinking. Brady in 2006 was talking about the exterior condition of the leather football. The smoothness, the roughness and the complete feel of the ball, and none of what you assume means he knew anything about air pressure per sq. inch in 2006 because lets face it none of us did. Not the NFL, nor owners, players, coaches, fans, etc. etc. etc. You guys are so hell bent in trying to slander and ruin Brady’s well deserved stardom & reputation you believe in fairy tales. You would scream to high heaven if someone else did that do you. That is cowardly. Sorry your all wrong again! Free Tom Brady!

  179. phillynac says:
    Aug 5, 2015 8:40 AM
    All of you idiots are falling right into Rogers hands. You are debating text messages and phone calls. The balls weren’t underinflated! What are we talking about here?

    —————————————————————-
    Thats what I don’t get. Why isn’t the NFL removing all penalties, suspensions, lost draft pics, $$$, etc.? There was no underinflation thus none of the penalties should stick. Now its just about wether or not Brady texted someone. Where in the rule book is there a violation committed there? Why isn’t Aaron Rogers and Packers being investigated to this degree? Its obvious, NFL is on a witch hunt on behalf of execs and other teams that resent the Patriots for being so good.

    -Steelers fan

  180. rascalmanny says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:32 AM

    Why were the equipment guys fired? And where are they now?
    ——————————————————
    There’s this thing called google. type in that question and get 22,800,000 answers. It’s really not hard to get facts.

  181. Thats what I don’t get. Why isn’t the NFL removing all penalties, suspensions, lost draft pics, $$$, etc.? There was no underinflation thus none of the penalties should stick. Now its just about wether or not Brady texted someone. Where in the rule book is there a violation committed there? Why isn’t Aaron Rogers and Packers being investigated to this degree? Its obvious, NFL is on a witch hunt on behalf of execs and other teams that resent the Patriots for being so good.

    It’s all about their huge egos and unmitigated arrogance. These people in the front office need to be knocked down a peg or three and they will. 🙂

  182. After reading the transcript… it is clear as day why the NFL did not want this released to the public.

    🙂

  183. fanofschill says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:22 AM

    There is more evidence that Aaron Rodgers tries to circumvent the rules more then Tom Brady ever has.

    Brady’s guilt is assumptions, Rodgers flat out told Simms he tries to gain a competitive advantage, this would make him “generally aware” that he attempts to disobey the competitive integrity of the game yet these comments did not warrant a investigation? or even questioning from the NFL? This isn’t check into at all?

    Rodgers “I deliberately try to break the rules”

    Brady (under oath) “I have never asked anyone to deflate or tamper with footballs and would disapprove if I found out this was done without my knowledge”

    hmmm
    —————————————————
    You left out the best part though. Vincents excuse about why they didn’t bother to investigate Rogers. It’s simply stunning. Page 248:
    17 Q. Would you agree with me that if Mr. Rodgers
    18 was pushing the limit of how much air could be in a
    19 football, that that would be him at least being
    20 generally aware of activities to try to violate the
    21 NFL rules regarding pressure for footballs?
    22 A. The way I’m reading, this is a post-game
    23 comment and there is no need for us to react or
    24 overreact.

  184. Wells Report states that before Grigson even started heading to the booth, Kensil, who was sitting next to Vincent, was called about the situation via a radio from the sidelines. Grigson testified that when he got to the booth, Vincent & Kensil already knew about the concern. But Vincent testifies at the appeal hearing that when Grigson came into the booth and told them about the deflated ball, it was the first he heard of it. Vincent and the entire NFL office are buffoons. What a witch hunt.

  185. this cell phone issue is puzzling to me.
    in the cba does it say that every player must hand over their private cell phones and other means of communication to the league upon their request??
    my guess is an unequivocal No is the correct answer.
    I already took my stand with Roger. If you want to affect change with an issue the fastest way is to get into their wallet. I cancelled my Directv Sunday Ticket because of this. It is a trickle down effect i know but there is no other recourse in my opinion.
    Roger is starting to make me think he is related to Brian France over at Nascar

  186. I’m beginning to believe that after “formation-gate” when Brady smugly suggested that the Ravens read the rule book, a certain few coaches, G.M.s and owners had enough of the Patriots, especially the buddy-buddy relationship between Goodell and Kraft. The New York Jets will be a playoff team this season. These certain few owners then proceeded to turn the screws on Goodell and the entire situation has erupted into this ongoing mess. I think I speak for the majority when I say I’m sick and tired of it. The season really can’t start soon enough. Are you ready for some football?

  187. Again, pg 73 of the Wells’ report says after taking the low number for each ball (the high number HAS to be thrown out as it probably was taken by the higher reading gauge which has been shown to be faulty) the Colts’ balls average 12.35 psi. That is pretty close to what predicted by the ideal gas law. Wells deliberately lies about Walt Anderson’s gauge by talking about logos when what really is remembered by Anderson is whether the needle was bent or not.

  188. Is anyone at least a little suspicious that Brady said he always destroys his cell phone, but the only one he was unable to produce was the one that was active during the season and playoffs? He handed over TWO OTHER intact phones, yet we’re supposed to believe he always destroys them?

  189. this cell phone issue is puzzling to me.
    in the cba does it say that every player must hand over their private cell phones and other means of communication to the league upon their request??

    Wells SPECIFICALLY STATES that he did not ask for the cell phone.

    Question answered. Next?

  190. funny reading all this. heres what I’ve come to expect

    pats fan=goodell sucks. brady is wronged
    not a pats fan= brady’s guilty,

    so lame.

    facts are facts, he wanted the balls deflated.
    facts are facts, Goodell is disliked by most of the football faithful which is not good for the league

  191. This case is like a truth serum for the NFL. Belichick is a creep who created an atmosphere on his team whereby cheating was not only encouraged but a core principle of his regime. The NFL tolerated it as long as they could keep it under the radar even to the point of destroying evidence from spygate to avoid future revelations.

    Now these two thieves in the night are at each others throats because their self interests no longer intersect.

    The raging debate has been about who is more wrong and the less wrong one means they are the one who is all right and the other party is all wrong. This is the tactic lawyers are pushing but this aint an electoral college situation.

    My conclusion both sides suck and its about time their BS gets exposed. IMO objective parties will always question legitimacy of the Pats success but not that BB is smart and Brady is a great QB.

    Pats fans are in major denial about all of this and most probably will never get beyond that.

  192. I am reminded of the missing gun in “The Shawshank Redemption”

    District Attorney: “And that also is very convenient, isn’t it, Mr. Dufresne?”

    Andy Dufresne: “Since I am innocent of this crime, sir, I find it decidedly ‘inconvenient’ that the gun was never found.”

    * * * * *
    Brady claims he is innocent of telling “The Deflator” to deflate footballs. He claims he never texted him about footballs, either. He could prove this by providing his cell phone and letting someone transcribe the text messages.

    Alas, Brady not only refused to let anyone review the texts, but on the day of the meeting with the League investigator, he destroyed the phone, too.

    This is as if Andy Dufresne knew the police wanted to see his gun, and he refused to let them see the gun, then threw it in the river, and claimed he ALWAYS did that with his guns, instead of selling them or giving them away like a normal person would.

  193. footballluv says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:24 PM

    funny reading all this. heres what I’ve come to expect

    pats fan=goodell sucks. brady is wronged
    not a pats fan= brady’s guilty,

    so lame.

    facts are facts, he wanted the balls deflated.
    facts are facts, Goodell is disliked by most of the football faithful which is not good for the league
    ________________
    Where is it a proven fact that Brady likes the balls deflated? I’m pretty sure the mans sworn testimony says that the texture of the football is his primary concern, and I’ve yet to see that contradicted anywhere.

  194. deadlevelbest let me explain the issue this way —

    1) I have not looked at the entire CBA, but I doubt it has a section specifically prohibiting people from turning over their cell phones during an investigation.

    2) I doubt there is a section specifically requiring someone to turn over their cell phone, either. So . . . .

    3) It would be a question of interpretation whether the CBA required someone to turn over a cell phone.

    4) The AT&T text messages were not retrievable by them; so the phone was the only record of what was sent or received.

    5) Brady refused to turn over the phone.

    6) Brady did not archive his messages, or have them transcribed by a court reporter to otherwise preserve them.

    7) Brady physically destroyed his phone. Meaning . . .

    8) No one subject to the CBA has the received messages; the court cannot issue a subpoena to AT&T or Brady to have the messages retrieved; if the recipients deleted their text messages, they are gone.

    Had Brady not destroyed his phone, the judge could have appointed a special master to figure out how to get the text messages. But after Brady destroyed it, that is not possible. Compounding that, Brady said destroying his old cell phone is a practice he had followed in the past when, in fact, that is not truthful, either.

  195. Want to hear a good laugh?

    ESPN radio, you know the national one, this morning were discussing HOW guilty Brady is – not IF he’s guilty.

    Outside the NESN, everyone knows it’s the…

    Patri*ts.

    Legacy baby.

    Cheers.

  196. This was all about Goodell trying to appease 31 other teams and their fan bases because his reputation had been demolished. Should never have been more than a fine for equipment violation.
    ——————————–

    So you admit that Shady Cheated, but you disagree with the punishment……progress….

    Patri*ts fans are Delusional

    Best Regards

  197. IMO objective parties will always question legitimacy of the Pats success but not that BB is smart and Brady is a great QB.
    ======================

    Actually how great is Lance Armstrong?

    How great is Alex Rodriguez?

    We’ll never know.

    Brady has cheated his entire career, first with spygate and knowing defensive plays before the snap and now with deflategate and fewer fumbles, easier catches, etc.

    BB is smart like Alex’s pusher was smart – until he wasn’t.

  198. I didnt say that Belichick was a genius like so many love to tout but to question that he is at least smart especially football smart just doesnt seem objective to me. He apparently needed to cheat to be a champion so he aint not genius.

    As far as whether Brady is a great QB or not if you take away the championships from Brady due to malfeasance there are more than a few great QB’s who never won an SB with Marino at the top of the list. IMHO Brady has earned the great label cheating or no. It appears to me that a lot of NFL insiders knew about the Pats cheating yet still gave Brady an unqualified great QB label.

  199. It absolutely boggles the mind that the commissioner
    of the most powerful league in sports,with a salary of 40mil, would sign off on all thats now coming out.
    The “Shield” is crumbling as this case lingers.
    The ONLY real out for the League is to ask for Goodell’s resignation as well as every person in the chain that brought about this tragedy, dismiss the case, sue Ted Wells for their fees back and move on.
    And Ask Robert Kraft to be the new Commissioner.

  200. Add Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post who says he’ll never trust Roger Goodell again…

    I had to read the article twice to be sure of what I was reading!

  201. This problem is all Brady’s fault, all he had to do is allow the specific keyword searches on his messages, if he had nothing to hide he would have gotten away free and clear, if he had messages about deflating footballs, he would have only gotten a fine, but by not cooperating he earned his suspension…and the NFL was lenient in the 4 games…it should have been longer !!!
    As Goodell said, when someone used PEDS they get a suspension, when someone uses PEDS and a Masking agent to hide the PEDS, they get a longer suspension for trying to hide the truth !!!

  202. Every player knows they can get suspended for PEDs. No player knows they can get suspended for not handing over their phone. Article 46 of the CBA doesn’t give Goodell the authority to suspend players without notice. Proven in Bounty. Proven in Rice. Proven in Peterson. Soon to be proven in Brady.

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