Transcript proves NFL didn’t know air pressure could drop naturally

I’ve believed throughout the #DeflateGate saga that league-office employees who were observing the halftime testing of the footballs during the AFC Championship Game presumed that the Patriots were cheating because their footballs all had air pressure below 12.5 PSI — and because the league-office employees didn’t realize that, for scientific reasons, the air pressure inside a football drops in cold, wet conditions.

The testimony of NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent at Tom Brady’s appeal hearing confirms that theory.

Vincent explains at page 229 that Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson told Vincent and Mike Kensil in the second quarter of the game, “We are playing with a small ball.” That prompted Vincent to tell Kensil “we probably should look at testing all of the balls from both sidelines.”

The ensuing questions from page 231 confirm the lack of awareness of the notion that, on a cold day, balls that start a game at 12.5 PSI will go under that minimum permissible inflation level.

Question: “So prior to this game, okay, had you ever heard of the Ideal Gas Law?”

Vincent: “No sir.”

Question: “Do you know if anyone in the NFL Game-Day Operations had ever discussed the impact of the Ideal Gas Law in testing footballs?”

Vincent: “Not with me.”

Question: “You had never heard to that?”

Vincent: “Never.”

This exchange demonstrates the pre-existing mindset of Vincent and others: If the balls are at 12.5 PSI before the game, they should be at 12.5 at halftime. If they’re not, and if we have an accusation from the Colts that the Patriots take air out of footballs, tampering must be the explanation.

Vincent’s testimony also confirms the lack of sensitivity to the relevant scientific principles via the steps taken (and not taken) when testing the footballs at halftime. For example, the temperature of the officials’ locker room at the time of testing wasn’t recorded. Whether the balls were wet or dry wasn’t recorded. Neither was the specific time each ball was tested, an important point since the longer a ball is back inside a warmer room, the higher the PSI will be.

Most importantly, there’s no record of the sequence in which the balls were tested. It has been presumed that the 11 Patriots’ football were tested first — and then re-filled with air — before the Colts’ footballs were tested. This theory finds support via common sense, because the official version as explained in the Ted Wells report is that only four Colts’ footballs were tested because they ran out of time. (Some would say they stopped testing Colts’ footballs because three of four came in under 12.5 PSI on one of the two gauges used.)

Even after the testing occurred and the 11 Patriots’ footballs came in under 12.5 PSI, no one in the league office considered the dynamic that causes air pressure in car tires to drop in the winter.

At page 238, Vincent explains that he spoke to NFL senior V.P. Dave Gardi about the situation after the game, telling him “because the Patriots had eleven game balls that were under compliance, that this may — we may need to do potential further investigation.” Vincent said that “Dave and I and others on our staff, we came to the conclusion that we probably need to do some additional follow-up.”

“But at that time, you didn’t know that some of the reduction could happen just because or cold or wetness or other factors, right?” Jeffrey Kessler asked Vincent. “That just wasn’t something you were aware of, correct?”

“I didn’t include science, no, sir,” Vincent said.

With no one considering science, the initial assumption became tampering, as exhibited by the tone and content of Gardi’s January 19 letter to the Patriots.

As this case continues to unfold, the errors in Gardi’s initial letter become more glaring.

“In fact, one of the game balls was inflated to 10.1 psi, far below the requirement of 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 psi,” Gardi wrote, a clear and obvious misstatement of fact that reinforces the presumption of tampering. And while some have explained away his contention that “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirement set forth above” by pointing out that on one of the two gauges the Colts’ balls were in compliance, Gardi’s letter prefaces that statement by pointing out that “each ball” was “inspected twice with different gauges.”

If, instead of launching that same night an investigation premised on proving that the Patriots had cheated someone had considered the notion that perhaps air pressure changes during games played in the elements, and if someone had immediately retained a scientist to examine the raw numbers under the conditions at Gillette Stadium that night, there’s a good chance that the conclusion would have been that the raw data is inconclusive at best on whether there was tampering.

But the early presumption — fueled by incorrect information given by the NFL to the Patriots and false numbers leaked by the NFL to ESPN — was that tampering had happened. So science became an afterthought, an inconvenience to be dismissed in the official report that found “more probable than not” evidence of cheating instead of what it should have been: An explanation considered seriously and thoroughly by the league office before pointing a finger at one of the 32 franchises it serves.

304 responses to “Transcript proves NFL didn’t know air pressure could drop naturally

  1. This whole thing has been incredible. Its amazing how incompetent the league is. They should be humiliated and ashamed. What are they going to say next year at the draft when the #32 pick is skipped? What is the reason again??? Ignorance?

  2. This is such a joke but the NFL owners love it because it kept the NFL in the media headlines the entire offseason. Goodell did his job once again despite upsetting one owner…..that is until the suspension is either reduced to 2 games or waived all together. Goodell/Kraft have been on the same page this entire time but playing games with the media.

  3. Sad and pathetic of the league. Its speaks poorly of the edumacational levels of these people who find sciencey stuff simply a voodoo that gets in the way of their accusations.

  4. This November your air pressure light will come on in your car. You apparently can blame Tom Brady for taking air out overnight, according to the NFL, Colts fans, Ravens fans, ESPN, and legions of other Patriots haters everywhere.

    That dude Brady gets around! He’s deflating tires in Australia as we speak. This must stop.

  5. This right here is really the crux of all of this. Good article, Mike. It’s mind-boggling to me that no one in NFL Operations knew about natural loss of air pressure. I’m not saying that you need a physicist to be running the Operations department, but I would think a basic understanding of middle school science would be required – i.e. a general understanding of what would natural happen to the footballs in those conditions. Had Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent had even a basic understanding of the principle in question, this whole stupid farce might have been avoided.

  6. Does not change the fact that Brady failed to cooperate with the investigation and destroyed his phone the day before meeting wells. The man is guilty and deserves the 4 game suspension just for that. If he would have just admitted doing it right after AFC championship he would have gotten a 20k fine and a slap on the wrist. I wish this would just go away

  7. I think this is the tip of the iceberg for NFL HQ.

    If these matters are significant enough for this much time, effort and costs………. then they need to employ some smart people to analyze their impacts and initiate improvement processes.

    I am most disappointed by the “we never thought about it” response and attitude which created the opportunity for this shark frenzy.

    These guys at the top are not worthy of their positions.

  8. Deflator txt is from May. Brady testifies he had no knowledge of PSI until the Jets game. Must be lying about that too.

    Lies exposed in Deflategate:

    Grigson or Vincent. Stories from Wells Report & hearing transcript don’t match

    Wells, Goodell & Pash. Claimed investigation was independent.

    Harbaugh. Denied Ravens notified Colts of anything.

    Still waiting for any proof Brady or any of the Patriots are lying about anything.

  9. All they were interested in was finding that the Patriots cheated. No deliberate deflation, no crime.
    No crime, no punishment.

  10. Yes, we all need to be reminded that the league office is tantamount to a client of the patriots.

    They sure have a funny way of dealing with their client.

    I am 25% through the material and the tone, disrepect and skepticism of the NFL is just amazing.

  11. Lol, i can finally see the light.
    The NFL so wasn’t trying to get the Patriots to admit they did something wron by providing such a wonderful accurate data.

    I wonder if the NFL can also perform brain surgery.

  12. Honestly, Tom Brady and The Patriots need to be fully exonerated and have all penalties against them returned. This is very damning and, quite honestly, astonishing. I was reluctant at first, but this really is what many have termed “Framegate.”

  13. All of this is because Brady skipped the visit to the Whitehouse. Had he gone he would never have been suspended four games. Payback from the master of payback with the clout to pull it off.

  14. “I didn’t include science, no, sir,” Vincent said.

    This comment sums up the NFL right there.

    “Science? Science! Don’t talk to me about Science!”

  15. They didn’t know because they are idiots. That much we can all agree on.

    I think I speak for many of my fellow colts fans when I say it is embarrassing to have a colt (grigson) tied in with the rest of the sore LOSERS. coach whaaaabaugh is a bold faced liar. kensil is a devious, jealous, hater. As a scientist I’ve known since the Wells report that there was no air missing from the balls whatsoever. But it is becoming more and more clear how pathetic the people are surrounding this scandal. of course the kind of the losers is up-to-no-goodell himself. FRAMEgate is dead-on.

    Patriots dominate our thoughts…and our teams…and that seems to really irritate a lot of simple minded folks out there, especially in the nfl front office. embarrassing.

  16. notice the colts Grigson notifies Kensil, now the question is who notified Grigson, because Pagano said he didn’t (liar).

    Second how did the one Patriot’s ball drop to 10.1, the ball that was intercepted and in the possession of the Colts?

    Amazing set of coincidences that “everyone knows they play games with the ball” and they had a ball that was 10.1 IN THEIR POSSESSION.

    When does their ball boy get called to testify under oath?

    If anything this shows Vincent is a dupe to the sting operation.

    It shows the Colts were possibly the instigator and perpetrator.

    It shows that Godell was indeed under pressure from a small group of owners to come up with something against the Patriots.

    It should cause an investigation by a third party to truly determine what happened as we now have further evidence that there are NFL personnel and Colt personnel that are playing a dirty game.

  17. Compare that same page 229 testimony from Vincent to pages 63-64 of the Wells Report.

    It deals with how Vincent became aware that there was a potential problem. The Wells Report chain of events differs from Vincent’s testimony in some rather curious ways.. in particular, that Grigson was the bearer of the information and not a radio call, as the Wells Report states.

  18. Great writeup and analysis, MF. Count me in as one who finds this more interesting, instead of tiresome, as it unfolds. Shocks me to say that but it’s the case. Case study of politics, human nature, education, and greed unfolding right in front of us. This is how empires are toppled.

  19. We’re all going to become air and legal experts about a rule no one really cares about. If it was so important, the league should of shut the game down and DQ’d the Pats that day.

    This is all about a power play between the biggest owner & the biggest ego, which are going to settle anyways in the name of good business ($).

  20. This was a sting orchestrated by the Colts, Kensil and most likely Vincent to try to catch the Patriots during the game.

    Grigson and Kensil had been communicating during the week. Grigson salted the files by having the equipment manger email him; the wordsmithing of that email fits hand in glove between the equipment guy, Grigson, and Vincent. They were so sure they caught the Patriots they just ran with the plan which included media leaks and threats to the Patriots.

    It wasn’t until people with scientific knowledge questioned the facts that Wells started to try to use scientists of his own, “consultants” instead of “academics”, because consultants give you what you want and academics might tell the truth and shame the devil. Thus, Columbia and Princeton were out and Exponent replaced them as experts.

  21. Deflategate has served it’s purpose, Goodell hasn’t had to answer a single question about Ray Rice, Greg Hardy or concussions in 7 months.

    Sadly unless Brady files a defamation lawsuit ala Vilma, we’ll never know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  22. To me this proves that Goodell is nothing more than a political hack.

    If NFL management personnel are unaware of how weather affects air pressure, they have no business fining and suspending people. They didn’t even take into consideration SCIENCE when making their conclusions.

    Nothing but a bunch of idiots and political hacks at Park Avenue. Goodell is ruining the game.

  23. The real monster in all of this is Tom Smykowski and his infernal “JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS” mat that Roger has been using to determine league matters.

  24. Mike,

    I think there was someone in the room that new about the Ideal Gas Law. Walt Anderson, who is a dentist by trade. He would have been required to take Physics and Chemistry.

    What I think is that Kensil and the clowns took control over the entire process and they didn’t want to here from him.

    It would be great to get Wells notes from his Anderson interview and I don’t get why he wasn’t called as a witness at the Brady appeal.

  25. So basically the idiots at the NFL offices had no clue about the effect of weather on ball pressure. Didn’t they ever have a bike that was sitting in a garage in the cold all winter and notice they had to add air to their tires? Oh yeah Rich Roger would of had a servant to that. So they have spent millions and dragged Tom Brady and the Patriots through the mud because they are clueless.

  26. I feel like that paragraph excerpt is more of an illustration of syntax unawareness that anything, and to say it “proves” that the NFL didn’t know cold makes balls flat… is… uh… a stretch…

    I’d venture to day that alot of football players/pros who don’t know what the Ideal Gas Law is are not necessarily ignorant to how they’re balls used to get flat on a cold night if they left them out saide EVERY DAY EVER when they were kids.

    Doesn’t matter anyway. Just a comment on how things get editorialized.

  27. Kessler said they wanted the transcript to go public the day of Brady’s appeal. NFL declined. Because integrity.

    Another win for Brady

  28. Brady lied throughout his appeals hearing testimony. He cheated and he lied. End of story.

    He claims that he never knew or cared about the inflation level of a football before an Oct 2014 Jets game? LOL. The Deflator was referring to himself as the Deflator at least as early as May 2014. Brady was so concerned about the football, that he was quoted as losing sleep thinking about them in 2005 or 2006. In 2006 he lobbied for rule changes to give teams new extensive abilities to prepare footballs before games. He knows inane, obscure rules in the rule book, like the ineligible receiver rule. He said he like deflated footballs in 2011 radio interview (and he was telling the truth as part of joke about Gronk).

    Brady is lying cheater. End of story. The NFL was correct to punish him for this multi-year cheating scheme. They just didn’t punish him enough.

  29. I would like to give thanks for our 12 paragraph 6 minute update on “deflate gate”. Maybe in between things like A. Foster injury along with Houstons team without him. Division predictions, a closer look at training camps etc.

  30. After the initial half-time testing, Patriots balls were reinflated. The Wells report in page 73 states that after the game, the balls were retested, and voila, the measurements did not change, how is that possible? If the ideal gas law caused the balls to lose pressure during the first two quarters, why didn’t the balls lose pressure during the last two quarters?

  31. I’m curious what the Ideal Gas Law says about a Pats employee taking a bag of footballs into a bathroom stall. TIA.

  32. “there’s no record of the sequence in which the balls were tested. ”

    this is not true. it’s right in the exponent report. The Pats balls were tested first. Look at page 57 of appendix one, the second paragraph. It is clear, Pats balls were measured first.

    This, combined with the data in “Figure 22” on page 44 of appendix 1 MORE THAN explains why the colts balls showed a smaller drop in pressure…

    It’s called science people.

  33. Is Troy Vincent an idiot? The tire pressure in his cars tires drops in the winter. What planet are these guys living on? Incompetent boobs.

    The NFL is going down hard and they deserve it.

  34. You see a reference to the Ideal Gas Law in every manual of every car in the section on Tire Pressure and the impact of cold weather on air pressure.

  35. The obvious, reasonable, and sensible thing for the NFL to have done in the aftermath of this situation would be to say “for as long as the rule has been in place, we have been operating with an inadequate understanding of how atmospheric conditions can affect football pressure, among clear deficiencies in the handling and measuring of game balls. Absent direct and incontrovertible evidence that anyone in the Patriots’ organization intentionally deflated AFCCG footballs post-referee inspection, we cannot levy punishments against the Patriots, Tom Brady, or anyone else. We will evaluate our equipment guidelines and procedures in the off-season and work to attain consistency with respect to game day football air pressure going forward.”

    Instead, the league, lead by a guy with a personal grudge against Bill Belichick, doubled down on their lunacy and built a house of cards inquisition against one of their biggest and most profitable stars. All because their own rules were a joke, and they couldn’t admit to it.

    Only in the Goodell-era NFL.

  36. As soon as the NFL incorrectly decided low pressure meant tampering, there were only two possible outcomes. They would admit their mistake, or someone was going to get railroaded.

    Here we sit.

  37. Goodall and the NFL are idiots. But they are idiots that make the owners a lot of money. Whether they ruin a players reputation, or try to destroy a players a career is secondary.

  38. itsfootballbaby says: “the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.”

    The Colts footballs began at 13.0 or 13.1 psi.

    At the end of halftime, even after warming up for over 12 minutes in the referee’s room, 3 of 4 were under 12.5 psi as measured by the low-reading gauge, the gauge for which Wells claims gives gospel-truth values for Patriots footballs .

    Is 13.1 equal to 12.3?
    You say it is.
    Try again.

  39. Time to call in Paul Tagliabue to clean this mess up. None of this changes my feelings on Tom Brady though. Still one of my all-time favorites. Right up there with Barry Sanders.

  40. Specific questions, did you know about the Ideal Gas Law, not, did you know air pressure changes at different temperatures. The NFL did come out and state that the change in pressure was too large for it to have happened naturally and assumed they had been tampered with. Obviously this whole thing was mishandled to where you don’t have clear scientific evidence either way. Is it possible the pressure dropped due to natural conditions, yes based on a specific set of assumptions, likely, no. Bottom line, there are more holes in the theory that the pressure change was natural than there are that the balls were tampered with….had they not assumed guilt at that point, they would have never gotten the text messages, etc and found out about the Deflator.

  41. This is a diversionary tactic.

    There are texts discussing the Deflator and Tom’s preference to let air out.

  42. If NFL management personnel are unaware of how weather affects air pressure, they have no business fining and suspending people. They didn’t even take into consideration SCIENCE when making their conclusions.
    ——————————————————–

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?

  43. My tire pressure drops a few PSI every winter and then rises a few PSI every spring. I can only assume that someone from the Patriots is stopping by my house and letting air out each December and then putting it back in each March.

  44. One of two people LIED about the testing of the Balls at halftime: Ted Wells or David Gardi.

    1) Defalator able to deflated and measured 12 balls under 90 seconds
    2) all 24 game balls were inspected twice with 11 of the Patriots balls re inflated by 2PSI – David Gardi.
    3) 11 of the Patriots balls were tested reinflated within the 15 minute Half Time. 3 of the Colts balls were tested and reinflated, also just under the 15 minute timeframe.

    Conclusion:
    1) Deflator have done this gazillion of times before to deflate 12 balls under 90 seconds, what an expert.
    2) at least 2 people were involved with the initial measurement of the 23 game balls – David Gardi
    3) The Officials must be using a cheap bicycle pump to reinflated the 14 balls
    4) David Gardi have noted that all 12 Colts Balls were tested twice and found in compliance
    5) Ted Wells stated that 3 of 4 Colts balls had to be reinflated due to under inflation.
    6) Ted Wells statement proves that David Gardi LIED about the .4 psi vs 2psi as stated in Gardi’s email.
    7) Ted Wells statements proves that David Gardi LIED about testing all 23 balls twice while Ted Wells’s statement showed that there was only time to test/reinflated 14 of the 23 game balls.

    Long live #Framegate you Haters…. On to #5. The Pats still won #4 despite the major efforts led by the Ravens, Colts and the Jets (NFL) front office……

  45. Everyone knows when the Deflator hauls balls into a restroom under the guise of using a non existent urinal, and sticks needles into them, they’ll deflate.

    Right?

  46. The NFL must cringe every time they see one of your expose. I suspect your defense of the true situation has infuriated many fans that hate the Pats success. The reality here is that you are exposing the truth which is what honest journalism is all about. I admire your stand and not just because I am a Pats fan… though it helps. Please continue with what I suspect is a not very rewarding process, and a thank you from all the true fans of football.

  47. itsfootballbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:14 AM
    So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.

    ———

    Come on! The colts balls were obviously blown up to a higher PSI to start with.

  48. Something we will never know: Did the Patriots / Brady cheat when handling the balls?

    Something we know for sure: NFL management is a JOKE and completely INCOMPETENT.

    (not even a pats fan here)

  49. “I didn’t include science, no, sir,” Vincent said.

    There is a rumour that the NFL has proved the laws of gravity to be flawed.Stay tuned for the non scientific update.

    DUH!

  50. The fact is NO ONE in the public eye at first seemed to know that footballs deflate naturally in cold weather. The first suggestion that this could happen was made by Belichick in his press conference almost a week after the game. That was seen as a controversial claim! Remember how Bill the (pseudo) Science Guy “debunked” it?

    Obviously the NFL assumed that because the Pats balls were under 12.5 that they had caught them red-handed. They were totally wrong. But then when the truth about the Ideal Gas Law came out the NFL claimed that it showed the Pats had STILL played a role in deflating the balls. In other words, their original accusation just happened to be right even though the original grounds for it was completely wrong. What a coincidence!

    Look, I realize the NFL people are dumb, crooked and had no understanding of the Ideal Gas Law or anything else. But still I am amazed that they didn’t pay any attention to the PSI numbers at the end of the game. Remember, 4 of the Colts balls and 4 of the Pats balls were tested at the end. And what do you know? All of the Colts balls were under 12.5 and none of the Pats balls were! Obviously, we know that this was because the Colts balls were tested first and the Pats second-the reverse of what happened at halftime. But not one genius in the whole investigation stopped to ask himself what those numbers could mean?? Unbelievable.

  51. Don’t you guys know science?

    The Ideal Gas Law is the reason 3 out of the 4 Colts balls measured at halftime were below range. I’m sure more would have measured below if the officials had “time” to measure all of them. Cheating was the reason the Pats balls were below.

  52. “So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.”

    Actually three of the four Colts balls were deflated using the guage that also showed the Pats balls were under pressure. One of the many framegate aspects of this is the league decided to use the readings fron the higher registering guage for the Colt’s balls that showed them over 12.5 psi and the lower registering guage for the Pats balls.

    You also don’t take into account the Pats balls were inflated to 12.5 while Luck wanted the Colts balls at 13.5 to start, giving the Colts balls more room to lose pressure without going under

    Way to cherry pick the facts involved though

  53. “Transcript proves NFL didn’t know air pressure could drop naturally”

    the title of this article says it all. A multi-billion dollar corporation, didn’t know the effect of weather on a football, which may or may not have a factor in a game.

    How, in the nearly 100 years of the league, did they not know this?

    Simply, they didn’t care.

  54. Deflategate has been “inflated” by the NFL to make Roger Goodell look competent…when we all know that he is simply a hack for the owners. Much like “Bountygate” in which Goodell sought to impose individual rule as the axe blade of the owners, deflategate comes off as petty bullsh1t generated by Goodell…simply to deflect the public from getting a closer look at his incompetent management of the league. FIRE GOODELL IMMEDIATELY!

  55. “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.

    Maybe the only issue is changing the burden of proof to something more necessarily probative, because Brady and pats are certainly guilty under this standard, all day, every day.

    I just asked Science, and Science agreed- when Science is deflating balls, try to to make it look like you are doing it.

  56. Brady now knows what Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas felt at their confirmation hearings. Men of stature being talked to and accused by Liliputians.

    Neanderthal Football League.

  57. “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.

    Maybe the only issue is changing the burden of proof to something more necessarily probative, because Brady and pats are certainly guilty under this standard, all day, every day.

    I just asked Science, and Science agreed-

    “When Science is deflating balls, try NOT to make it look like you are doing it by p[roviding rampant incriminating circumstantial evidence and attitudes and ridiculous defenses.” – Science McChemistryberg

  58. Florio, who produced the Sean Sullivan email? ESPN said it was attached to the filings but it does not say who produced it.

    Why would the equipment manager need to send the GM an email about what Pagano was told by the Ravens in a phone call? Wouldn’t Pagano have that conversation directly with Grigson? The email looks like it was written for the files with the sting in mind.

    The email is poorly constructed. Has factually incorrect information about game procedures. References that the Ravens complained about K balls (which the Colts say they plan to doctor when the rules don’t allow such prep) but the email does not specifically say that the Ravens complained about under-inflated game balls. It also uses the “smaller football” aka “small ball” language that was used by Grigson and Vincent. That’s odd vernacular for everyone to use.

  59. Hopefully the Judge takes this into account….being a Scientist this was the first thing I thought of…and I don’t have a dog in this fight boys.

  60. By the way, my favorite Ted Wells testimony (there were plenty of mistakes by a lawyer) was his admission that he chose to characterize the Patriots equipment guys talking about over inflation as deflation. That is critical testimony and it is exculpatory for Brady.

  61. Look at page 258. In looks like Jastremski’s gauge was used to measure the colts and patriots balls. The NFL doesn’t even know which gauges were used to measure the balls!

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?

    What doesn’t change is that the ball will change in pressure when it moves between warm and cold. If you don’t believe this fact, you’re an idiot. Just go on YouTube and search for all the high school students that show this effect in action on a football.

  62. sleetmiles says:

    Plausible denial still requires credibility. Neither the “Deflator” nor Brady provided a credible denial. The rest is immaterial.
    ==============================
    there have been a few posts that cannot come to grips with the truth because of their preconceived position regarding the patriots.

    However, i picked this one from Sleetmiles to show how stubborn some of them can be.

    Reality is you cannot prove a negative, can’t be done, therefore Brady cannot provide a credible denial, not even Clarence Darrow could.

    The reality is that the facts which should either prove or not prove culpability of Brady, do not, even at the more probable than not standard.

  63. Goodell needs to resign. Troy Vincent needs to resign. Mike Kensil needs to be fired. When you conduct a biased, prejudiced sting operation from the very beginning, then you have no business running the most power sports league on the planet. What Goodell and Vicent and Kensil have done to the Patriots is a disgrace beyond recognition. Suspending Brady and destroying his reputation without any evidence Brady did anything wrong. Everyone involved with this mess has a beef with the Patriots.

    Vincent is probably still sore at the Patriots beating his Eagles in the 04 Super Bowl and was looking for years to settle the score. Kensil never forgave Belichick for jumping ship from the Jets to the Patriots. And then you have the dictator Goodell, who is only concerned about salvaging his reputation as a tough guy after going too easy on Ray Rice. The NFL has become a clown show, with Goodell leading the Three Stooges down the road to oblivion.

  64. Correction: Brady cheated (for years), Brady got caught, Brady lied in January to the country, Brady destroyed evidence in March, Brady lied in March to Wells and some more in June at his appeals hearing. Now, he will lie to federal judge. Wonderful. It’s time for Goodell to suspend Brady under the personal conduct policy for bringing shame to his league. His lies are obvious and blatant and smack of the smug arrogance that this punk Brady has emitted throughout his playing career. He thinks rules don’t apply to him and he thinks fans are so stupid they will believe his garbage lies. What a crying shame for the NE fans that acknowledge Brady cheated.

  65. .2 psi i can see. Never in the history of the sport has a QB ever complained of the ball losing PSI, so if weather does alter balls, its such a tiny amount that its unnoticeable. Now if you take a reading and there are balls up to 2 psi low then there is an issue. Why would anyone assume weather affects air pressure when no QB ever has said anything- and these guys know the difference of .5 psi for sure, Brees was given random balls and stated the exact psi of each. So it doesnt matter if the NFL knew about ideal gas law or not. What does that have to do with a ball being 2 psi under after that same team was accused by TWO teams of cheating???

  66. Great article Mike. I think this speaks volumes………Demonstrates how important the issue of air pressure is to the NFL. Their own operations people have no clue about the dynamics of air pressure………They are trying to make this into an issue of integrity. The only ones damaging the integrity of the league are the jokers at head office.

  67. The Ideal Cheating Law states that Brady had his equipment guy known as “The Deflator” let air out of the balls AFTER the officials inspected them and declared them ready for the game. That is cheating and 4 games is not enough.

  68. Similar to what cmada said above; how is it possible that Mike Kensil’s name is only brought up ONCE througout all the testimonies??

    Part of me still thinks that Goodell had all this happen without him knowing; for fear that he would give Mr. Kraft a “heads-up.” And now, because of his precarious position as Commissioner (due to the Rice, Hardy and multiple other debacles), he has to support the “sting” because he will get fired if he says “well, I had no idea this was happening.” How incompetent would that make him look.. I imagine many would say it would make him look as incompetent as he truly is.

  69. …So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me….

    Idiot must work for the fossil fuel industry.

    Climate change? Not us.

  70. The more I read the transcripts, the more I cannot understand why the owners don’t want to get rid of Goodell. It is obvious from the transcripts that the NFL is run by a bunch of absolute morons. It is further proof that they could have anyone run the NFL and the owners would make money hand over fist.

    If guys like Troy Vincent can hold key positions in the NFL, you could get any idiot to run the NFL. Why not get rid of Goodell and make Kate Upton commissioner? She couldn’t do a worse job than Goodell and the commissioner’s State of the League address would get monster ratings.

  71. dal1as says:Aug 5, 2015 9:17 AM

    Does not change the fact that Brady failed to cooperate with the investigation and destroyed his phone the day before meeting wells. The man is guilty and deserves the 4 game suspension just for that. If he would have just admitted doing it right after AFC championship he would have gotten a 20k fine and a slap on the wrist. I wish this would just go away

    Are you simple? Did you read the article? Nothing happened. There was no tampering. Why would Brady admit to cheating and tarnish a legacy when nothing actually occurred? What would you do if I accused you of molesting a child but said as long as you admit guilt I won’t punish you too hard? Maybe that’s an extreme example but the principle is the same. You don’t want anyone to think you’re a child molester so you’ll fight the lie.

    Is it so hard to understand? Wouldn’t you obstruct an investigation this biased? Where every single facet is turned on you or a compete lie and fabrication.

  72. The key thing here is that the league clearly had no procedures in place for checking ball pressure and this was the very first time they ever cared. It is common sense for any car owner that air pressure reduces in cold weather. For the NFL not to know that balls could show less pressure in cold weather means they just never ever cared about air pressure before. How can you hold a team accountable for some 1 time make shift process?

    That’s enough to throw this whole thing out.

  73. itsfootballbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:14 AM
    So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.
    ________________________________________

    But the conditions were not the same. TO claim conditions were is an oversimplification that shows a lack of understanding of the events and the Ideal Gas Law.

    The Colts’ footballs were likely not as wet as the Patriots footballs due to the disparity in time of possession in the first half. We also know from CMU study that moisture also is a determining factor in the expected rate of deflation.

    The Colts’ footballs were measured last, allowing more time to return to equilibrium before measuring them. We also don’t know what the actual starting point of any of the footballs. But if the Pats were at 12.5 to start and the Colts at 13.5 then that also impacts where the psi would fall at halftime.

    Of course all the above points were made repeatedly over the last 6 months. S0 just like Ted Wells and the NFL you choose to ignore relevant data.

  74. Is it just me or did I read that 3 of the 4 colts’ balls that was tested were under 12.5 PSI and the rest were not tested because they ran out of time?

  75. Obama does the same thing…”it’s not a tax”…”let me make this clear, I did not think that Obamacare is a tax”……”it is a tax….”

    STOP blaming the NFL on this. Blame Brady and the NFLPA.

    The media is using the NFL as their shiny little object for “fans” to go after while the person who perpetrated this entire thing is protected by the NFLPA.

    And these fans are dumb, the media knows it, the NFLPA knows it, and they take full advantage of it.

  76. “Did you fail 9th grade chemistry? Have you been unable to make it in even a franchise as hopeless and substandard as the Jets? Apply to the League office today! Million dollar salaries, zero accountability, and fresh donuts and coffee brought to you hourly by our devoted indentured servants at ESPN!”

  77. Brady will be fined $1,000,000 and miss no games.

    Goodell will not get his contract renewed.

    Kensil will be fired.

    The Patriots will not get that 1st round pick back.

  78. This feels like back in school when you had a bad teacher that made bad tests or just used tests that someone else wrote. They couldn’t explain to you what was meant by a bad test question.

    The NFL is in “bad teacher” mode right now. They clearly aren’t qualified to be creating and grading football inflation tests because they don’t know the subject well enough to assume that role.

    I think Brady gets away with this one in the end because the NFL is in over their heads on this subject. They are in 098 remedial PSI inflation class still and the students are asking 200 level PSI inflation questions to determine why they failed the test.

  79. This whole thing is starting to take on a Monty Pythonesque quality.

    Seriously – how much worse can the NFL league office possibly look here? I feel like we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg so far. They are quickly becoming a laughingstock and some heads will need to roll as a result.

  80. harrisonhits2 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:43 AM

    Your also cherry picking, NONE of the colts balls were up to 2 psi low. If all balls were .2 or .1 under ok. But if colts balls were .1 under and pats were 2 you cant say “all balls were under 12.5”, there is a huge difference there.

  81. I personally think that the balls were deflated a bit, and that Brady was involved, and deserves the punishment that comes with getting caught. However, I am willing to stipulate that Brady is, was, and always will be a choir boy, that the league should return the draft picks to the Patriots, and give them an extra first rounder for their, if and only if I NEVER HAVE TO SEE OR HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AGAIN!

  82. WEEI pulls clip where Tom Brady admits he like deflated footballs…. watch for the 3 part investigative series why WEEI has deleted this sound bite…. LOL.

    The lying from Brady is deafening. Fans have no choice but to throw their heads in the sand to avoid the endless lies coming from him. Some fans move on and know he cheated. Others fool themselves into believing something else as a means to somehow nullify Brady’s lies. But nothing really helps there, ignoring Brady’s lies is the best thing for those fans. Oh, and ignoring deflated footballs, text and video evidence, and broken cell phones and other tidbits from a 15 year career in which the guy who “lost sleep” over the condition of the football, had no clue or preference about the air pressure rule……

  83. “tajuara says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:37 AM

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?”

    You are (unwittingly) making the case for the Pats. After the game 4 of the Colts balls and 4 of the Pats balls were tested. It is true that none of the Pats balls were under 12.5. But…ALL of the Colts balls were found to be under 12.5! (Check it for yourself.) Do you think the Colts were cheating? That Luck should be suspended?

    You could go that route, or you could actually think about it a logical, non-hysterical manner and see that we had a nice test of the effect of temperature on air pressure. At halftime the Pats balls were tested first, then the Colts. At the end of the game, the Colts’ balls were tested first, then the Pats. The difference in the results is due to the fact that the second set of balls in each case had a chance to warm up and hence “re-inflated.” No cheating, no needles, just nature at work.

    That’s all we had with the Pats balls as well.

  84. For all the morons who don’t know the facts (how you can comment without knowing them is beyond me), here they are;
    At half time;
    ALL Pats balls tested were BELOW the minimum acceptable psi on both gauges used…
    ALL Colts balls tested were ABOVE the minimum acceptable psi on at least one of the gauges…

    One Pats ball tested 2 psi below on one of the two gauges used…
    Four other Pats balls tested between 1.5 psi and 2 psi below on one of the two gauges…

    From page 8 of the Wells report;
    Farley recorded the halftime pressure measurements taken by the game officials
    as follows:
    Patriots Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 11.50 11.80
    2 10.85 11.20
    3 11.15 11.50
    4 10.70 11.00
    5 11.10 11.45
    6 11.60 11.95
    7 11.85 12.30
    8 11.10 11.55
    9 10.95 11.35
    10 10.50 10.90
    11 10.90 11.35
    Colts Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 12.70 12.35
    2 12.75 12.30
    3 12.50 12.95
    4 12.55 12.15

  85. This is all about Brady telling the Ravens they should read the rule book. Ravens set up the Colts, Colts were only too happy to be a patsy. Both lied there *sses off. And the denizens of Various Loservilles were only too happy to lap up anything the NFL served. Same people who had Roger for an imbecile last year now have him as a genius.

    Even if Goodell wiped out the suspension, gave back the draft picks and fine, I still want this in open court. NO SETTLEMENT! Let’s get EVERYTHING out in the open and let the chips fall where they may.

    Meanwhile, this transcript roaches the NFL.

  86. Here is a question.. Why in the name of all that is Holy would the NFL and Roger Goodell possibly want to create this fight? What reason would the NFL have to alienate this franchise, the SB MVP and all of their fans? It does not make sense. Using common sense tells me that something is strongly inspiring this fight. It is not just Goodell, it is a large contingency of informed people that are coming to these conclusions.

    Can’t we just put the 2 ball boys or whatever under oath and ask them the questions? It was done just once and they have been off limits since, that is curious to me as well.

  87. eaglesnoles05 says:

    “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.
    ——————————————————————
    Nice point, I mean except that none of that is true. The ball boy, never texted Brady or the other way around. Brady did not know the ball boy, did not have his phone number, did not even know his name. But you keep believing what you hear other patriot haters say and you end up looking just like Goodell does.

  88. @billburke says:

    What doesn’t change is that the ball will change in pressure when it moves between warm and cold. If you don’t believe this fact, you’re an idiot. Just go on YouTube and search for all the high school students that show this effect in action on a football.

    =========

    Yup, that’s true. Now is your contention that the pressure inside the Pats’ balls had reached equilibrium, or that they were changing toward equilibrium when measured? If it were the latter, how do you explain the fact that the last balls measured had LESS pressure than the first balls measured some minutes before?

  89. tajuara says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:37 AM
    If NFL management personnel are unaware of how weather affects air pressure, they have no business fining and suspending people. They didn’t even take into consideration SCIENCE when making their conclusions.
    ——————————————————–

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?
    ________________________________________

    The footballs were cold and wet when reinflated. Meaning the temps of the footballs were close enough to the playing conditions to mitigate deflation…as opposed to pregrame when they were inflated while having sat at room temperature for hours prior to being measured.

    It’s really not difficult to understand.

  90. And how again is Brady suspended? Is the NFL for real? All the sports science they put into the concussion protocol and safety measures and they didn’t have anybody on board that could explain some basic physics to them? … And I thought my boss was stupid.

  91. I didn’t even read the article. Here’s everything I need to know….

    Brady refused to cooperate with a company internal investigation. Result? Suspended. Most employees of most companies would be fired if we gave our company the middle finger.

  92. a072455 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:40 AM

    A talk show tested the 90 seconds to deflate 11 balls. And a person who doesnt handle football ever was able to stick a needle in a ball for a second to let out some air to 11 balls WITH 20 SECONDS TO SPARE. So someone who is very familiar with footballs would easily have enough time. Please stop saying 90 seconds isnt enough time, ive seen someone do it on camera with time to spare- that argument is ridiculous.

  93. The NFL / Colts / Ravens sting operation was not to be interrupted by “supposed gas laws.”
    Once the Framegate locomotive left the station, there was no turning back. Mission Take Down New England had been activated

  94. The balls MUST have left the locker room at around 16 PSI. Again, that is the only thing that explains the accusation of the Patriots “cheating”. If some people get under oath in front of a judge, the lid on this will blow right off.

    So, to explain:

    1. The officials (NFL or the game refs) inflated the Pats balls to 16 PSI to give the Colts an advantage.

    2. The balls were taken by the Pats staff and they were reduced to the legal PSI.

    3. The NFL examines the balls at halftime and declares “cheating” took place. But the balls were only deflated tot he legal limit, so they were correct, but this was done after inspection, so it was illegal.

    So it was the NFL cheating, and the Patriots cheating to uncheat the NFL cheating. Hence the huge standoff.

  95. Brady lied throughout his appeals hearing testimony. He cheated and he lied. End of story.

    He claims that he never knew or cared about the inflation level of a football before an Oct 2014 Jets game? LOL. The Deflator was referring to himself as the Deflator at least as early as May 2014. Brady was so concerned about the football, that he was quoted as losing sleep thinking about them in 2005 or 2006. In 2006 he lobbied for rule changes to give teams new extensive abilities to prepare footballs before games. He knows inane, obscure rules in the rule book, like the ineligible receiver rule. He said he like deflated footballs in 2011 radio interview (and he was telling the truth as part of joke about Gronk).

    Brady is lying cheater. End of story. The NFL was correct to punish him for this multi-year cheating scheme. They just didn’t punish him enough.

    ——-

    Literally nothing you just posited is evidence or even an indication of lying or cheating (leaving alone its dubious accuracy). Love that for an article about jumping to conclusions and ignoring facts and evidence you get comments that follow that mantra to a T.

  96. PV=nRT

    Who hasn’t heard of this? Who hasn’t ever inflated their car tires and realizes warm tires should be inflated differently than cold tires?

  97. As a 12 year old kid playing basketball outside in the winter, we knew to huddle in the grocery shop nursing our coke’s and pepsi’s waiting for the ball to warm back up so it would bounce again. That was in 1970. So 12 year old kids from the 70’s are apparently smarter then the entire brain trust of the NFL? Brady will be exonerated. Goodall will be laughed out of office. Kensal will be working administration for a pop warner league in some Godforsaken corner of Nowheresville USA. The Dolts will labeled crybabies. The dirty birds sore losers. And ESPN will now be put at arms length by the new commissioner, Hopefully Belichick.

  98. “Most importantly, there’s no record of the sequence in which the balls were tested.”
    …This is just plain untrue. The balls were recorded sequentially; that’s stated clearly in the transcript.

    If time were a factor, and they’re discussing between 3.5 and 7 minutes here, the last Pats balls recorded should have had a higher reading than the first balls. Instead the opposite is true.

    I’m still waiting for your article about Exponent’s reaction to the AEI report, where they put the lie to their report.

    “If you look at the first Patriots’ measurement, whether it’s made by the logo gauge or the non-logo gauge, the very first one, it’s higher than the last four Patriots’ footballs, which are being measured at least three minutes, probably later. And so the actual, if you look at the sequence of Patriots’ measurements, and this is the point we make in the report, it’s going exactly in the wrong direction compared to what we know to be the timing effect. And so the timing effect goes in the wrong direction. The ball conditions that we tested experimentally we know can affect the measured pressure by no more than about .3 psi.” Pg 421-422

  99. tajuara says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:37 AM

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?

    **************************

    The timing of the postgame measurements was unknown. As well as what the halftime re-inflation numbers were. Timing is everything in doing the measurements as the transient curves show.

    Ideally, the balls shouldn’t have even been moved back to the warmer locker room for before doing measurements. But as is now clear, the officials doing the testing has no idea of any of this (and probably still don’t).

  100. itsfootballbaby says: Aug 5, 2015 9:14 AM

    So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.
    ——————————-
    3 out of the 4 tested were under inflated.

  101. The truth eventually comes out. The NFL 💩 the bed and now it’s out for everyone to see. They let teams who have played the Patriots with a chance to go to the Super Bowl multiple times start an investigation that was not warranted, particularly at this magnitude. They created an unfair distraction leading up to the Super Bowl and have now dragged the 199th pick of the 2000 draft who has earned 6 trips and 4 rings through the mud. You don’t play that for a decade and a half because of PSI. The NFL owes a lot of people a lot of apologies.

  102. Another display of the ignorance of the NFL is that stupid Kensil stated to the Patriots “We weighed the balls”. Pounds Per Square Inch (PSI) is a measure of pressure, not of just mass. You don’t weigh to get pressure, you take a pressure measurement. He thought PSI meant how many pounds the ball WEIGHED- nice work Clouseau!

  103. Blah Blah Blah…Brady lied and then destroyed his phone.

    Guilty …end of story

    all the rest is smokescreen

  104. And STILL people will say that the Patriots intentionally deflated footballs.

    For years!

  105. Duh. The Patriots balls and the Colts balls all ‘lost’ very similar amounts in nearly all instances. But Pats balls started from a different starting point: Pats’ closer to 12.5 and Colts higher. Simple arithmetic– for that, you don’t even to have attended lesson 1 of the 5th grade general science class on Ideal Gas Law that apparently nobody at Jets er NFL headquarters on Park Ave. ever took.

  106. tajuara says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:34 AM
    After the initial half-time testing, Patriots balls were reinflated. The Wells report in page 73 states that after the game, the balls were retested, and voila, the measurements did not change, how is that possible? If the ideal gas law caused the balls to lose pressure during the first two quarters, why didn’t the balls lose pressure during the last two quarters?

    _________________________________________

    That’s the whole point of the thing, and why the NFL’s been proven incompetent on these matters. Air pressures change due to temperature, irrespective of air volume. Always.

    It’s also important to note that air is not an ideal gas. So pressure changes should be experimentally determined. But undoubtedly the same volume of air in the same container, at different temperatures, has a different pressure. The NFLPA’s witness on this was spot on: In 12 minutes the pressure of an outdoor football brought inside on that day would have increased by ~1 psi.

    Post game, the footballs were brought to room temp before measuring.

  107. DIRECT/SNYDER/GREENSPANPage 185
    Q. Okay. Let’s go to the next slide. And if
    you could explain, how did Exponent do this? How did they go about this comparison?
    A Well, they basically say, well, if you say
    it’s the master — excuse me, if it’s the logo gauge
    used, well then, you should convert the readings,
    the halftime measurements and adjust them to the master gauge readings.

    Q. And that’s a mathematical formula?
    A. It’s just a crunching of the — through the
    master gauge adjustment.

    Q. And when Exponent did these conversions, what conclusion did they reach about how the Patriots’ balls compared to that range or the bottom end of the range you talked about in the prior slide?
    A. They found that eight of the Patriots’ balls
    were below this critical scientific threshold.

    Q. Did you find any errors in Exponent’s conversion work?
    A. Yeah, yes. They made a very basic mistake.
    They have the master gauge conversion adjustment, and they converted the halftime readings for the master gauge conversion, but they did not convert the starting values for the master gauge conversion.

  108. There have been so many damming reports of leaks, stupidity and out and out malfeasance on the part of the league office, and my guess is that once the judge starts looking at the process for the arbitration that Goodell used there will be a whole new set of accusations leveled at Goodell because it is plain and clear that it was far from impartial.

    When do the owners need to start their own independent investigation of the league office? In my opinion the actions of Goodell and his lackeys has done far more to damage the integrity of the game than anything that the Patriots have been accused of. The owners sort of did this last year in the wake of the Ray Rice fiasco in the Mueller Report and I think it is well past the point that they need to get someone in to investigate all of the shortcomings of the league in this case as well.

  109. Goodell will scapegoat Vincent on all of this. I can guarantee Vincent was acting according to orders. Shameful.

  110. Hey Florio…I think by now it’s obvious the league screwed up and Brady’s suspension will be lifted.

    My question to you, is there any possibility the “discipline” to the team could be reversed? I’m having a very difficult time finding any wrongdoing done by the patriots. If someone can please point it out. And if you can, does it equal 2 draft choices and a million dollars?

    Just don’t see it. It’s not there.

    A Packer Fan.

  111. jjzzx says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:02 AM
    For all the morons who don’t know the facts (how you can comment without knowing them is beyond me), here they are;
    At half time;
    ALL Pats balls tested were BELOW the minimum acceptable psi on both gauges used…
    ALL Colts balls tested were ABOVE the minimum acceptable psi on at least one of the gauges…

    —————————-

    All of which means nothing without knowing the point in which all the balls had started. Seriously – you are looking for the delta here, not the absolute measurement. Without knowing the relative delta, you cannot determine whether or not the balls were tampered with. Further complicating matters is the fact tha the Colts balls were tested AFTER they were allowed to warm up indoors. This test is simply indeterminate. You cannot glean anything from it other than the fact that current NFL personnel are not qualified to conduct such testing without technical oversight.

  112. No matter how you feel about the Patriots, the fact is the NFL league office took what is by any estimation a weak, inadequate, and poorly-researched premise and used it to hand out the harshest punishment in NFL history – to its championship team and the best player of its current generation.

    What is the motive for such an action?

  113. Wells Report Page 73, post-game ball measurements
    (Pats’ balls were re-inflated at half-time, Colts balls were left alone since they were within legal limits):

    Pats ball
    1 13.50 13.15
    2 13.35 12.95
    3 13.35 12.95
    4 13.65 13.25

    Colts ball
    1 12.90 12.50
    2 12.45 12.10
    3 12.80 12.45
    4 12.70 12.35

  114. I’m not sure I understand the point of the repeated ant-league posts.

    Are we to believe the Patriots and Tom Brady are innocent here? These guys continue to ignore the rules and do whatever they want. It’s time for that to end.

    Laughable.

  115. This is comical! Let’s see, the Pats are essentially framed by their rivals and NFL. Except the NFL is too stupid to do it right and are now grasping at every straw to keep the egg off of their face.

    The truth will eventually come out, it always does. I am pretty sure the Pats AFC rivals tried to make this a bigger issue than it was (they are all denying any whistle blowing now). Goodell is too stubborn to say he or the NFL did anything wrong (rush to judgement with lack of evidence, creating false evidence that is suspect, blatant disregard of science…etc).

    Yet another credibility issue under GODell.

  116. Seems like I gotta put up this post once a day now, so
    here is my daily obligatory “Roger Goodell is a clown and
    has to go as he is an embarrassment to the league” post.

    Its so obvious the NFL deserves a better run league its
    painful at this point.

    They embarrass themselves daily…I mean who the hell is
    dumb enough to castigate the face of the league in this
    manner….your cashcow !!!

    just beyond stupid

  117. bushwoodcc says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:06 AM
    tajuara says:

    “Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?” *****************

    It can easily be explained. It is not true. The results of those after game measurements were never included in the Wells report. In the Brady appeal this is discussed at length. Exponent and Wells both testified that the results were unreliable after the game. (One Exponent guy testified that he disagreed with the decision not to include the results.) People need to read the testimonies before they spout off nonsense.

  118. They may not have ever heard of the Ideal Gas Law, but I find it impossible to believe that people who had been around football their whole lives were not aware that balls deflate when it’s cold. What kid hasn’t noticed that?

  119. I speak as a scientist, a physician with a masters degree in environmental epidemiology and a good amount of training in research methods, biostatistics, a published researcher and also a former teacher/tutor for general chemistry and physics.

    It is not reasonable scientifically to use the Colts balls as a control group. It is in fact ridiculous.

    The Colts balls were measured under different conditions with multiple uncontrolled variables such as temperature, moisture level, etc. In addition the starting measurements of the balls were not recorded. We are talking about a difference of 0.7 psi between the Pats and Colts balls, according to wells report data. That works out to around 5% of the expected absolute value. So we are looking for a very small difference. These variables very likely account for all of the very small difference between the groups, and not any tampering.

    To detect a TRUE difference that is so small between the Pats and Colts balls one would need the most pristine scientific conditions. This obviously was not the case and therefore no scientist worth anything would even recommend using the Colts balls as a control. It is just not advisable, because even if you are picking up statistical significance, you can NOT say with any certainty which variable or variables caused that difference. Both AEI and the expert BRady hired agreed on this.

    Statistically, in my opinion, the most valid approach would have been to test the sample mean of the 24 measurements of Patriots balls (at halftime) against the expected mean based on known scientific conditions. Because the actual gauge used is unknown I would have taken mean of all 24 measurements and ran it against the expected mean for statistical significance. Because the expected Mean in Well report is 11.3-11.5, and the mean of the 24 measurements was 11.3 with a standard deviation of around 0.5, I am certain that this would have a VERY HIGH p value and would NOT achieve statistical significance.

    This would be an exceedingly simply and effective statistical analysis. In fact I believe the Wells Report does not report on Mean or standard deviation. The fact that it was not done makes me question the motives of the authors of the paper. Don’t be surprised though because drug companies use these kind of tricks all the time to fool doctors.

  120. Why are we discussing the particulars of the Ideal Gas Law when we have proof through the text messages that the Patriots staff were hiding in a bathroom deflating the balls!

  121. matt2131 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:43 AM
    The fact is NO ONE in the public eye at first seemed to know that footballs deflate naturally in cold weather.
    _________________________________________
    This makes me chuckle. I don’t know when PFT posted the first article on this, but I’m pretty sure my response was that cold causes shrinkage (with apologies to George Costanza).

    I am also pretty sure that I was not the only one who knew what cold does to air pressure.

    Everyone knows cold causes air pressure to drop. It’s not a secret for science nerds at MIT.

  122. Ball didn’t change in 07 nfccg and that ball went from 70 to neg 25. Tynes said it felt like kicking a brick. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve left footballs outside for days in the winter and they’re just fine. The ideal gas law is just another convenient excuse for fanboi patfans

  123. OK – lets assume that the league officials had no clue about the Ideal Gas Law and so little common sense that they did not at least remember that things like the pressure in your car tires dropped when it got cold out. Let’s also assume that they had no biases or axes to grind against the Patriots (not the case, but for this we can give them the benefit of the doubt).

    My question is how then did they explain the drop in pressure of the Colt’s balls? Those 4 balls that were measured were below where the ref set them, and in 3 cases they read below what was allowable.

    It was my understanding that part of why the NFL claimed this was such a big deal is that after being checked by the refs, the balls were not to have been touched. So even if the Colt’s balls were within the OK range the fact that they were lower that what the ref tested them at should have been a problem.

    The only explanation that makes sense is that they were so dead set on busting the Patriots that they completely ignored everything else.

  124. The guy who said we are looking at the “relative delta” is exactly right.

    It is actually sad and embarrassing how little people know about science

  125. All 11 balls for one team mystically lose pressure? Puh-leeze.

    Hey Tom, instead of whining about this and taking the NFL to court like a guilty weasel, how about you do this:

    Pray that your team goes 0-4 while you’re suspended.

    Lead your team back from an 0-4 start to a playoff berth — an accomplishment never before achieved and unlikely ever to happen again. And since you’re in the miserable AFC East, you know the Pats could spot the rest of the division four games and still win it.

    That would be the man’s way to handle this deflate gate thing. Instead, all this legal stuff makes you like the guilty little weasel that you are.

  126. the fact that the patriots are going to lose a high draft pick , a bunch of cash and the best player in the league for 4 weeks because the NFL is too ignorant to know the basic science of the sport and too arrogant to admit it makes me not want to watch football anymore .

  127. Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?
    ———————————————————————-

    The preasure did change from what was adjusted at halftime. P. 72 of the Wells Report shows a table with the PSI of both Patriots and Colts footballs at the end of the game. There’s even one football that measures 13.65, which suggests another overinflation by the officials.

  128. Notice the timeline. The idiots in the NFL office slowly figured out that the Ideal Gas Law presented a problem for them and their sting operation. Immediately, the NFL leaked misinformation to their servant in the press…ESPN. The NFL also provided misinformation to NE in order to muffle NE’s objections.
    The Nevada Gaming Commission has nothing on the NFL

  129. “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.
    ——————————————————————
    @markprzyb says:
    Nice point, I mean except that none of that is true. The ball boy, never texted Brady or the other way around. Brady did not know the ball boy, did not have his phone number, did not even know his name. But you keep believing what you hear other patriot haters say and you end up looking just like Goodell does.

    @markprzyb-

    It’s not true that the equipment guys turned over phones/text-evidence with text messages from Brady referring to “the deflator” and all that? I honestly did think that was true, and of course it invalidates my point if it’s not. When did that become not true though? I missed that.

  130. In fairness, Goodell had the Competition Committee declare that the Laws of Physics don’t apply to the NFL 😉

    That’s about the only way Goodell could ignore the evidence exonerating Brady and find him guilty instead

    Let’s not forget that at the heart of this matter is whether the PSI as measured at halftime showed that any unusual deflation occurred.

    IT DID NOT!

    Anderson didn’t record the initial PSI – and Wells and Goodell take Anderson’s memory of what the PSI of 24 firggen footballs were as gospel

    24 specific PSI readings – from memory!

    But when it came to Anderson’s memory on which gauge was used – given the fact that the gauge he said he used showed no tampering, what did Goodell and Wells do?

    On that ONE pivotal fact – they chose just to assume that Anderson’s memory was suddenly faulty – and assumed that reality was the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Anderson said happened

    Even you Haters have to look at that and KNOW this is a sham and setup designed to make you declare Goodell a hero after you were all calling for his resignation over Domestic Violence issues a year ago

    Don’t be this gullible – use some common sense and don’t make us all embarrassed to call you fellow football fans. You’re smarter than that.

  131. The NFL’s approach to this hasn’t been particularly scientific and the fundamental point of your article is correct. However, even if all the evidence about the balls is excluded there is still enough evidence for Brady to banned a long time – no doubt the Deflator was working for him to get the balls how he liked as shown by the texts and emails and Brady’s refusal to co-operate.

  132. jjzzx says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:02 AM

    For all the morons who don’t know the facts (how you can comment without knowing them is beyond me), here they are;
    At half time;
    ALL Pats balls tested were BELOW the minimum acceptable psi on both gauges used…
    ALL Colts balls tested were ABOVE the minimum acceptable psi on at least one of the gauges…

    One Pats ball tested 2 psi below on one of the two gauges used…
    Four other Pats balls tested between 1.5 psi and 2 psi below on one of the two gauges…

    From page 8 of the Wells report;
    Farley recorded the halftime pressure measurements taken by the game officials
    as follows:
    Patriots Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 11.50 11.80
    2 10.85 11.20
    3 11.15 11.50
    4 10.70 11.00
    5 11.10 11.45
    6 11.60 11.95
    7 11.85 12.30
    8 11.10 11.55
    9 10.95 11.35
    10 10.50 10.90
    11 10.90 11.35
    Colts Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 12.70 12.35
    2 12.75 12.30
    3 12.50 12.95
    4 12.55 12.15
    ____

    Yeah, that’s great. What was the starting PSI in each of the balls pre-game?

    No idea? Then how do know how much pressure was released or left the balls? Perhaps the Colts balls started at 13.5.

    ALSO, for Pats balls measurements, the balls on the right are higher than the left, but on the Colts measurement, the balls on the left are higher? That’s not even possible if they used the same gauges and recorded them the same way, this would not have happened.

    Compare the measurements on the left of the Pats with the one on the right for the Colts. If Colts started at 13.5 and the Pats at 12.5 (as Brady requested) Pats balls avg is 11.14. a drop of 1.36. Colts balls avg is 12.43, an average of 1.07. Its only a .29 difference in PSI. Weren’t Colts balls measured later, after they had time to “warm up”?

    Still, no measurements pre-game means you have no idea what the starting PSI was. Therefore, you have no way to determine what they actually fell by

  133. tajuara says:

    Why did weather affect the balls only during the first two quarters? The Wells report states that at halftime Patriots balls lost pressure, then were reinflated, and retested after the game and pressure didn’t change, how can you explain that?
    =====
    You don’t know the actual starting pressure so you don’t know if they decreased or not. (They did, they are not beyond the laws of physics). You should be able to tell, because any under-inflated ball was supposed to be inflated to 13.0.In the Wells Report page 73 it states:
    “Riveron instructed that footballs registering below the permissible range should be inflated and set to 13.0 psi”

    After the game measurements of the Patriots balls as follows on page 77 of wells report:
    1 13.50 13.15
    2 13.35 12.95
    3 13.35 12.95
    4 13.65 13.25

    Now – if they followed instructions the balls should have started at 13.0. But you can see that the ranges are anywhere from 13.65 to 12.95 depending on gauge used right after the game. This either means that:
    1. The officials disregarded the instruction to inflate to 13.0, making them much higher than 13.5

    2 OR the patriots balls were already at 12.5 in equilibrium of temperature and they got pumped up an additional amount that put them far above 13.0.

    Either way, your point only illustrates the incompetence of the NFL in it’s handling of this.

  134. While it’s hard to believe the Patriots are 100% innocent, it is impossible to prove they were guilty either. Call it a wash and eliminate the suspension. Next time you want to do a sting, get all the information and all your ducks in a row instead of building a report built around one comment (deflator) and ignoring the science.

    The Patriots could have been deflating balls prior to that, but didn’t do it that day probably because nature would do it for them. That is purely speculation but it is not evidence like you might think NFL.

    Wipe the egg off your face. You did your damage to the Patriots. You and part of the media made them look like cheaters before the biggest game of the year which everyone watched. You did your damage. Everyone will call them cheaters for years in an instance where it was clear that week they did not. You’ve won when you shouldn’t have. You’re the cheaters NFL, you’re the cheaters.

  135. rjmjets says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:35 AM
    Why are we discussing the particulars of the Ideal Gas Law when we have proof through the text messages that the Patriots staff were hiding in a bathroom deflating the balls!
    ___________________________

    Because the texts do not prove that. But the Ideal Gas Law does prove that the deflation was most likely caused by the weather conditions.

  136. “New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady denied under oath to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell that he tampered with footballs before the AFC Championship game in January, and the investigator Ted Wells testified that he never warned Brady that he would be punished if he did not turn over his cellphone.” NY Times, 8/4/15

  137. The ideal gas law is just another convenient excuse for fanboi patfans

    ____

    Science is the DEVIL!!!!

  138. While PFT tries to poke holes in the NFL’s case against the NFL’s biggest star and leading franchise, where is the cite poking holes in Brady’s defense? You know, that “Deflator” refers to the guy’s weight lose. That the Deflator would secret balls in a private bathroom for no apparent reason or would tamper with the balls w/o Brady’s knowledge. That Brady, unlike Montana and Aikman, doesn’t know a deflated ball by its feel or has no preference for a deflated ball. That a deflated ball has no correlation to NE’s historically low fumble rate ive the accused period of time. That all the increased traffic between the Deflator and Brady, which Brady can’t recall and which Brady destroyed his cell phone evidence of, was innocent? If it didn’t affect the outcome of games or Tom’s competitive desire to maximize his chances of winning, why not admit it? Brady could have easily won the hearts and minds of virtually all of America if a deflated ball was just a personal preference that didn’t matter.

  139. justintuckrule says:

    Ball didn’t change in 07 nfccg and that ball went from 70 to neg 25. Tynes said it felt like kicking a brick.
    =========================================

    probably true, because at -25 degrees there are more than just the air pressure of the ball impacting the football. At that temperature the moisture in the leather would freeze.

  140. A few questions:

    A) Did Brady cheat? Look at the text messages.
    B) Can you honestly say he didn’t try to cover it up, at all?
    C) Are the Pats repeat offenders?

    Who cares what the league knew/didn’t know.

    It boils down to those few messages.

  141. The league may not have known about the Ideal Gas Law but I guarantee you that 32 of 32 NFL level equipment managers did.

    And so did any kid who played outdoors during winter in the North and Northeast areas of the country.

    Go on… tell me another one. I love to laugh.

    Let me verify something here also…

    New England is still in the Northeast part of the country right?

    Yeah… that’s what I thought too. But I had to be sure they didn’t move it while I wasn’t looking.

  142. armchair qb if you actually read the data, all the Colts balls lost pressure too on the gauge that was most likely used

    Again to use them as a control the only important difference would be the relative delta, but as I stated in previous post too many uncontrolled conditions make this completely unreasonable

    The bottom line is that scientific inquiry of any kind is not simple. It is super complicated. Thats why we use the scientific method. To deviate from that is the death knell for any study.

    I can say for certain that the because of its reliance on assumptions and uncertain data measurements, that the analysis in Wells Report would not pass muster for any credible peer reviewed scientific journal. So why should we as fans accept or build any opinions on it’s conclusions?????????????

  143. I don’t know if the Pats manipulated or not. I believe the ball/equipment guys were def aware TB12 wanted them at the low end. ———————————————————————– However, after digesting all the transcript and Wells data, there definitely appears to have been a vendetta/sting operation in place. ————————————————————————— And the perpetrators did a lousy job of it!

  144. You can make fun of Vincent and Kensil for not knowing that anything inflated with a gas (including footballs) will lose pressure (they do not deflate) when they are put into a colder environment. Like others are saying, any kid who was actually paying attention in grade school already knew that. But those two are not alone in their ineptitude.

    The very rule that is being discussed here was created by people who apparently did not understand this either. The rule specifically says:

    “The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. ”

    It says nothing about what temperature that inflation is done or checked at, and since we know that pressure is relative to temperature, that is an omission that can influence the pressure by far more than the 1 psi allowable range, which invalidates the 12.5 to 13.5 numbers altogether. The rule also uses the unit of measure “pounds” which is a measure of weight, not pressure.

    Pounds per Square Inch (psi) at XX temperature would be a valid pressure spec. But the people who wrote that rule apparently did not know this.

    Many reporters were talking about ball weights and pounds for weeks into the scandal, further illustrating how scientifically ignorant many Americans are, even these reporters who had graduated from a college or university (albeit in a liberal arts program) had no knowledge of the relationship between temperature and pressure or units of measure. Quite sad really.

  145. helmetsail misleadingly on purpose says:

    “Wells Report Page 73, post-game ball measurements
    (Pats’ balls were re-inflated at half-time, Colts balls were left alone since they were within legal limits):

    Pats ball
    1 13.50 13.15
    2 13.35 12.95
    3 13.35 12.95
    4 13.65 13.25

    Colts ball
    1 12.90 12.50
    2 12.45 12.10
    3 12.80 12.45
    4 12.70 12.35”
    *****************************
    Helmetsail leaves out the important footnote. (The Wells report is full of footnotes that have the real info!) _Here it is word for word: “Although these measurements were recorded in conditions similar to those present during halftime, information concerning the timing of these measurements, the pressure levels at which these eight footballs started the second half and the identity of the four Colts footballs tested after the game (specifically, whether they were the same footballs that had been tested at halftime) is significantly less certain than the information about similar issues concerning the pre-game or halftime periods. As a result, our experts concluded that that the post-game measurements did not provide a scientifically reasonable basis on which to conduct a comparative analysis similar to that performed using the pre-game and halftime measurements.”*********So I ask. What type of report would include information they believe not to be reliable? I mean why include it at all if it is not reliable? Anyone? Now don’t go reading those pesky footnotes. (And, Helmetsail, you need to be more honest.)

  146. Give me a break, so only the Pats balls lost air “naturally”. Do Brady’s lawyers really think everyone is that stupid? This whole thing is a big joke. Brady knows he did something wrong and is NOT man enough to own up to it. Why is that so hard to accept for some of you.

  147. jjzzx says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:02 AM

    For all the morons who don’t know the facts (how you can comment without knowing them is beyond me), here they are;
    At half time;
    ALL Pats balls tested were BELOW the minimum acceptable psi on both gauges used…
    ALL Colts balls tested were ABOVE the minimum acceptable psi on at least one of the gauges…

    One Pats ball tested 2 psi below on one of the two gauges used…
    Four other Pats balls tested between 1.5 psi and 2 psi below on one of the two gauges…

    From page 8 of the Wells report;
    Farley recorded the halftime pressure measurements taken by the game officials
    as follows:
    Patriots Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 11.50 11.80
    2 10.85 11.20
    3 11.15 11.50
    4 10.70 11.00
    5 11.10 11.45
    6 11.60 11.95
    7 11.85 12.30
    8 11.10 11.55
    9 10.95 11.35
    10 10.50 10.90
    11 10.90 11.35
    Colts Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 12.70 12.35
    2 12.75 12.30
    3 12.50 12.95
    4 12.55 12.15

    ——————

    Above or below 12.5 is completely irrelevant. They just have to be above the lower limit which was considered by the ideal gas law and the experiments done by the lab Wells hired to be 11.32. That means 3 balls were really below the limit. Ball 2, 4 and 10 and they were all within .5 PSI, so in theory they were no lower than 12 PSI at the start.

    One thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this data now that I see it laid out is why would the Patriots tamper with balls and leave some more than 1 PSI different then the others? they can’t control what ball comes into the game. It stands to reason if they were tampering they were likely just trying to get them all to be reasonably close to 12.5 but not measuring them. Just to avoid the 16 scenario more than anything.

    I don’t think there is enough here to do what they are doing to Brady. They should go to a fine only at most.

  148. Haters just keep on hating, oh boy the NFL head office is full of yes men.
    These lawyers are eating this up. All because of teams that cry when they get blown out in the playoffs.
    Indy and Baltimore should be ashamed of what they started.
    This is great stuff.

  149. bobbyhoying says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:21 AM
    All of this is because Brady skipped the visit to the Whitehouse. Had he gone he would never have been suspended four games. Payback from the master of payback with the clout to pull it off.

    —-

    The Pats didn’t go to the White House until AFTER the Superbowl, framegate was a full-fledged scandal by then. The visit to Washington had nothing to do with it.

  150. joker65 says:
    Still, no measurements pre-game means you have no idea what the starting PSI was. Therefore, you have no way to determine what they actually fell by

    ===

    Did you miss page 52 of the Wells report? The officials didn’t log each number, but they did take measurements and recalled that the Pats’ balls were 12.5, the Colts’ 13. Both give or take .1 PSI on balls tested. In fact, two Pats balls were under 12.5, so the officials put more air in (and then out) to hit 12.5 on the mark.

  151. markprzyb says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:05 AM
    eaglesnoles05 says:

    “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.
    ——————————————————————
    Nice point, I mean except that none of that is true. The ball boy, never texted Brady or the other way around. Brady did not know the ball boy, did not have his phone number, did not even know his name. But you keep believing what you hear other patriot haters say and you end up looking just like Goodell does.

    —-Response to markprzyb
    Just a note, Brady does know his name, his nickname “Bird” but he called him “Burt” in his Well’s testimony. He doesn’t know him as McNally, but the rest is correct, carry on

  152. justintuckrule says:

    Ball didn’t change in 07 nfccg and that ball went from 70 to neg 25. Tynes said it felt like kicking a brick.

    —-

    Really? You know this how? The psi was measured by whom? At negative 25 degrees, it’s hard to move, it’s hard to breath and any moisture on the ball would be ice (inside and out)!

  153. If he just admitted this in January, he would have just been fined and saved 6 months of his reputation being dragged through the mud.

  154. To me it seems that these are the facts proven thus far:

    1) Weather can deflate footballs.
    2) People can deflate footballs.

    Let’s look at the evidence to see which one happened, and not dismiss one possibility just by virtue of discovering another.

  155. After the initial half-time testing, Patriots balls were reinflated. The Wells report in page 73 states that after the game, the balls were retested, and voila, the measurements did not change, how is that possible? If the ideal gas law caused the balls to lose pressure during the first two quarters, why didn’t the balls lose pressure during the last two quarters?
    ===
    Why is this question still being asked. TWR explains the procedure followed, and if you gas law, then you know the answer.

    For those that do not gas law: It’s a reversible process. If you fill a ball to a set pressure at a given temperature, then cool it, then warm it back up to the same temperature, then the pressure will be the same as initially set.

    The NEP balls actually came in higher than set at halftime in the post-game checks because the league inflated them to a set pressure when they were cooler than the locker room and then let them warm to the temperature of the locker room.

  156. dvdman123 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:05 AM
    Give me a break, so only the Pats balls lost air “naturally”. Do Brady’s lawyers really think everyone is that stupid? This whole thing is a big joke. Brady knows he did something wrong and is NOT man enough to own up to it. Why is that so hard to accept for some of you

    —-
    Why do framegate deniers always choose to disregard the fact that using one of the gauges 75% of the Colts balls were under the legal limit! If the NF had chosen to use the measurements of the Pats balls with the same gauge that measured the Colts balls as legal, all but one Pats ball were within legal limits!

  157. Wasn’t it just days into this that the Ideal Gas Law was brought up… And the League just chose to dismiss it because it didn’t fit their narrative! Since that time it’s been months of leaks , lies and splashy headlines that it must have been cheating on a grand scale and for how long!
    Well the jig is up and the more that is revealed the more confirmation there is that the league was never after the truth!

  158. dan7800 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:58 AM

    A few questions:

    A) Did Brady cheat? Look at the text messages.
    B) Can you honestly say he didn’t try to cover it up, at all?
    C) Are the Pats repeat offenders?

    Who cares what the league knew/didn’t know.

    It boils down to those few messages.

    —————–

    Repeat offenders in what way? Spygate?

    Belichick was filming signals from the sideline

    This is a ball offense.

    That previous offense was 7 years ago.

    They aren’t related.

    You can’t just pile on fines forever. Mora was fined for using a cell phone in 2006 and then Atlanta was fined this year for pumping crowd noise. The second offense didn’t consider the first I am sure.

    Just fine a team for the offense that occurred. Forget some kind of scaling offense. If they are going to do scaling offenses then there has to be a system where offenses clear, like points for driving offenses. Maybe they clear after 5 years or something. Right now it’s just Goodell’s feeling. That doesn’t work.

  159. If it were the latter, how do you explain the fact that the last balls measured had LESS pressure than the first balls measured some minutes before?
    ===
    They were wetter or colder to start with leading to different evaporation and cooling rates and different initial* pressures.

    *Initial in this case would be the pressures and temperatures they were at outside prior to being brought into the locker room.

  160. joker65 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:51 AM

    I wish we knew starting PSI, but lets assume (for the patriots sake) that the pats balls all started at 12.5 and colts at 13.5 (again this is best case scenario for the Pats). Then how did some of the Pats balls drop 2 full PSI while at the VERY MOST the colts balls dropped 1.2 PSI. Thats a big difference. Best case scenario for Pats still shows that all of their balls dropped more in pressure than the colts balls. How does science explain that? was one half of the field affected more than the other???? ANd again, this assume BEST CASE SCENARIO for the Pats. The colts balls could’ve started at 13 or 12.5 and it makes the pats look even worse.

  161. eaglesnoles05 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:44 AM

    “More probable than not, given the evidence (ie: ball boy with texts from brady about deflators in his phone with the game balls going into a room with them post-inspection…for one…)” is an easy threshold to pass. It has been passed.

    Maybe the only issue is changing the burden of proof to something more necessarily probative, because Brady and pats are certainly guilty under this standard, all day, every day.

    I just asked Science, and Science agreed- when Science is deflating balls, try to to make it look like you are doing it.

    ———————–

    None of that matters. It’s all about if the appeal was fair now. Which it wasn’t. Especially upholding the penalty which far outreaches any precedent previously set with regards to ball penalties, obstruction penalties, team penalties impacting players, etc.

    Argue all you want whether he did it or not, but it won’t matter now. It will be whether the league had the right to hold him accountable to a made up ball checking procedure done in one game and whether the penalty they imposed was consistent with how the league has punished other teams, past and present.

  162. jchemengr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:35 AM

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    Exactly. But why did the NFL target Tom Brady to go after? Forget for a minute the ideal gas law destroying the NFL’s case: The evidence threshold to assigning guilt within an organization is a LOT higher than simply concluding the organization did something wrong. The league jihad against Brady is bizarre. Why go after Brady? Why defame him, and not Kraft/Belichick? Did Brady possibly offend some petty, yet powerful man recently?

  163. Ball didn’t change in 07 nfccg and that ball went from 70 to neg 25. Tynes said it felt like kicking a brick.
    ===
    Yes it did, and it doesn’t matter what Tynes says. A football inflated to 13.0 PSI is going to be below 10 PSI. The rubber and leather will also be frozen.

  164. “truthprofessor says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:16 AM
    This November your air pressure light will come on in your car. You apparently can blame Tom Brady for taking air out overnight, according to the NFL, Colts fans, Ravens fans, ESPN, and legions of other Patriots haters everywhere.

    That dude Brady gets around! He’s deflating tires in Australia as we speak. This must stop.”

    ——————————————————————
    Game – Set – Match…

  165. I have been saying this for 6 months. The league has been playing with a rule that is impossible to not violate! Every game played above about 90 degrees or below 50 degrees will be played with balls that are under or over the legal limit. It is not possible to submit a ball for play in the legal limit that will remain in the legal limit in cold or hot weather. The rain makes it worse.

    When the intercepted ball was tested 3 times and all 3 times it measured above the 11.32 the science said the ball should have been this thing should have been over. But Kensil wanted to get the Patriots and he thought he had them and convinced all the other dummies the crime of the century had been committed.

    The league needs to test every ball every game next year before during and after and publish the results of every dam ball along with the weather conditions during the game.

    Maybe To be fair they then they should fine the Colts and Ravens 1 million dollars and take a first round pick from them when they are found to be playing with illegal balls.

  166. Cheap lawyering tactic Mike. Because Vincent said at the time he didn’t know about ideal gas law you infer all the NFL brass knew the same thing. If that’s the case how come your drumbeat doesn’t include why a person would destroy the only piece of evidence that could easily make this go away? Wouldn’t an attorney advise him not to? Oh I know why because it was incriminating which is obvious to people with common sense. Playing your game then the whole Patriot organization was complicit as well that’s why Kraft tucked his tail and that BB has been silent.

  167. A ball that is moved from a 72 degree locker room to a 50 degree field will lose 1.1 psi. No ifs ands or buts. It may lose more if the ball is wet and the leather stretches to increase its volume, but even discounting that the patriots balls should have measured ~ 11.4 gauge psi.

    That same ball if subjected to a drop to 30 degrees, such as in the Ravens game would lose 2.2 psi and would have dropped to 10.3 gauge psi.

    Is it any great wonder that the Ravens though the balls may have been a bit soft? They were. They were at 10.3 psi, exactly within the rules and laws of physics.

  168. kward34 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:15 AM

    If he just admitted this in January, he would have just been fined and saved 6 months of his reputation being dragged through the mud.

    ————–

    If he did it, that’s a good point. If he didn’t do it, that would have been pretty hard for him.

    I always thought that Brady might have just said, I told the guys to get the balls to 12.5. I don’t want balls that are more than the lower limit. Accept the fact he knew they may be tampering, but deny the fact it was to get the balls lower than 12.5 and any balls that were lower than that were a mistake by his team who obviously weren’t using gauges.

    Evidence would support that now. After considering the Ideal Gas Law, 3 balls were lower and all within .5 PSI.

    That might have ended it fast.

    However, if he didn’t do it, then I think we would end up exactly where we are now.

    As a matter of fact if he did do it, I don’t understand why he would ever take it this far. Too many examples of athletes claiming innocence forever then getting burned later. Over something this minor I wouldn’t understand it.

  169. stillers213 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:05 AM

    It’s getting to the point where this story is ruining football for me altogether.
    ====
    Just so you know, you don’t have to follow the story. I generally don’t follow stories about other teams, unless it is pre/post game analysis prior to or after playing the Pats.

  170. stburke40 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:14 AM

    No they didnt check the PSI in ’07 in the game that went from 70 degrees to -25. And yes the outside of the ball would be hard b/c the moisture would freeze. But the “IDEAL GAS LAW” would still happen right? so if the weather during this yrs game can drop psi by 2 then extremely worse weather would drop it by prob 6 or 7 psi over the course of 4 quarters. And no matter how hard the outside is, if the ball loses 6 or 7 PSI then EVERY single player would notice. Anyone on this site would notice that.

  171. I have no idea whether or not Brady cheated. I don’t. I DO know that the NFL completely mishandled the data management of the footballs on a number of levels. Anyone that is subject to audits in their professional life will understand this. And the old expression “in God we trust, everyone else must bring data” applies …

    The league NEVER recorded what the PSI of each football was when they allegedly measured the balls prior to the game. Nor did they record the environmental conditions. So there is really not a starting point from which to even discuss this because no data even exists.

    For those that are talking about the measurement of the footballs at halftime and how the Pats footballs are below the minimum PSI and that both gauges demonstrate this there is another huge problem.

    Why are the gauges giving different readings? The gauges should be properly calibrated and should give the same readings!!!! Having two different results imply tells me that one or both of the gauges are out of spec.

    As for why the footballs for the Colts differ from that of the Pats, my understanding is that the Colts like their footballs on the high side so even with the IGL being applied their footballs will measure higher than the Pats and if the Pats balls are at the league minimum prior to the game then they will very simply fall out of range during the game.

    I suspect that footballs in cold weather climates have been dipping below the league minimum standard for years. But then again there is no data to prove it one way or another because the league never bothered to properly record this data (which they are going to do starting this coming season).

    Any kid that pump up a basketball indoors then goes to shoot hoops outside on a cold day has seen first hand the effects of the ideal gas law.

    The bottom line is that the NFL botched this from day one and failing any concrete evidence of Brady directing someone to bring the balls below the league minimum then the whole thing should just be dropped. And Goodell should go look for another job.

  172. After reading the comments most of the haters on here are truly clueless.

    The NFL has no knowledge of how the environment and other physical/mechanical events will effect the pressure in a football. Yet without this information, which I must say is vital, they decide to penalize an individual player and team to this extent.

    I am a Pats fan and I believe their QB likes a ball somewhat under inflated. I would imagine conversations about ball pressure may have included statements similar to inflate them to the minimum but since the measuring devices and methods are so archaic a little under is probably ok too. The NFL has reinforced this by being so lax in enforcing in checking the ball pressure, enforcing the rule, and understanding the aforementioned implications.

    The Pats have historically played to the extent (plus some) of the rules but don’t kid yourself and think other teams have not done similar things, its just that other teams have not won as much and do not have the noteriety. The result of this is an NFL witch hunt, fueled by NFL execs who have an axe to grind. Lets face it, their use of eligible receivers last year caused a rule change because of “deception” What a crock, deception, isn’t that what play action is? Get over it, you got beat by someone who plays the game better than you………end of story!

  173. Q. And is it fair to say, Mr. Wells, that you stand by every word written in your report?

    A. I hope so, yes, yeah.

    —————————

    Wells hopes he believes in his report.

  174. I guess the Vice President of the NFL never went to a basic science class in school?

    Next he will say he didn’t inhale

  175. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:17 AM

    Why is this question still being asked. TWR explains the procedure followed, and if you gas law, then you know the answer.

    For those that do not gas law: It’s a reversible process.

    =====
    Actually I don’t gas law. But it sounds like you gas law. What is it–a new dance?

    Just kidding with you. Good point you’re making.

  176. “I didn’t include science, no, sir,”
    That’s the funny thing about science. it doesn’t care how stupid you are, how much money you make, how much you hate a team, how willfully ignorant you choose to live your life, or how much the Jets suck, it just includes itself in the equation without asking permission. Get outta here rude science, with all your facts and universal laws of nature. Don’t you know some people are trying to run a perfectly legitimate witch hunt over here?

  177. helmetsail says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:14 AM
    “Most importantly, there’s no record of the sequence in which the balls were tested.”
    …This is just plain untrue. The balls were recorded sequentially; that’s stated clearly in the transcript.

    If time were a factor, and they’re discussing between 3.5 and 7 minutes here, the last Pats balls recorded should have had a higher reading than the first balls. Instead the opposite is true.

    I’m still waiting for your article about Exponent’s reaction to the AEI report, where they put the lie to their report.

    “If you look at the first Patriots’ measurement, whether it’s made by the logo gauge or the non-logo gauge, the very first one, it’s higher than the last four Patriots’ footballs, which are being measured at least three minutes, probably later. And so the actual, if you look at the sequence of Patriots’ measurements, and this is the point we make in the report, it’s going exactly in the wrong direction compared to what we know to be the timing effect. And so the timing effect goes in the wrong direction. The ball conditions that we tested experimentally we know can affect the measured pressure by no more than about .3 psi.” Pg 421-422
    ——————————————-
    You seem like a bright person Helmet, so perhaps you can explain this to me. You have an equipment bag with 11 footballs in it.. ones I might add, that have been in play (offensively) from the 4:48 remaining in the second half to 0:13 seconds remaining. Now during that you have the two minute warning and FOUR timeouts. Also, it is raining so there is clear exposure to the elements correct?

    Now you take those footballs, that are jumbled around in a “non-segmented” or “partitioned” equipment bag and throw it over your shoulder and walk back into the officials lockerroom. Are you implying that the footballs do not get mixed around in the bag due to gravity and their shape?

    Are you honestly trying to tell us that “the last Pats balls recorded should have had a higher reading than the first balls?” Really? Honestly now, I’m not trying to bash you or anything but do you really think that “well the first one that came out of the bag should’ve been the lowest PSI?!”

    So then, why wouldn’t it be true that the first number out of a lottery drawing wheel isn’t always the number one?

  178. Hahahahaha so the 3 of 4 balls of he coltd balls that tested under were dismissed because of the low reading gauge. But for the patriots they instead relied only on this gauge, because the other gauge would exhonerate them. This is a total joke the nfl should be ashamed

    This was a witchhunt to start and it looks more clear every day

  179. Immaterial, because McNally still let the air out of the balls in the bathroom. But if you think it will keep the lemmings occupied, go with it…

  180. I think what a lot of people are overlooking is not only the weather affecting Patriots footballs in the AFCCCG but all those touchdowns causing Gronk spikes surely play a factor. So in reality it really is just the Colts at fault. Thus they should be suspended and lose draft pics for that awful performance. 🙂

  181. Patriots cheated before, they will cheat again. In the annals of history when reviewing the record of football wins you can put a asterisk next to the Patriots

    *Probably cheated

  182. If it is a witch hunt, they why were Jastremski and McNally fired? Something Pats fans have no answer for. You can keep blathering about ideal gas law until you are blue in the face, but once it all comes out and those guys talk, you will then say they are liars and can’t be trusted.

    Ultimately, Brady’s career is already tarnished and it really is sad because he didn’t need to cheat to win. But in the court of public opinion, he did. So no matter what happens with this court proceeding, all anyone will remember is it is yet another time the Pats got accused of doing something wrong.

  183. “Never mind the science and facts that make it seem like no “cheating” even took place. I’m too lazy and unintelligent to understand that. Besides, the fact that nothing was done to the balls isn’t what’s important, cuz ESPN told me to focus on the phoney phone.” Congratulations. You are type of moronic NFL fan that Roger Goodell was hoping you’d be.

  184. Has anyone seen the Brady emails released on deadspin? Nothing bad, but I can see why he didn’t want to hand over his cell phone. Everything personal would go public. It’s really insane actually.

  185. Here’s all you need to know about the internet Pat fans…in an overwhelming thumbs up approval by online fans

    “a072455 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:40 AM
    One of two people LIED about the testing of the Balls at halftime: Ted Wells or David Gardi.

    1) Defalator able to deflated and measured 12 balls under 90 seconds
    2) all 24 game balls were inspected twice with 11 of the Patriots balls re inflated by 2PSI – David Gardi.
    3) 11 of the Patriots balls were tested reinflated within the 15 minute Half Time. 3 of the Colts balls were tested and reinflated, also just under the 15 minute timeframe.”

    1)The “Deflator” didn’t need to measure anything when letting the air out…he just needed to give a quick pop of air out…
    And it’s not hard…there are videos online showing how easy it really is to do in 90 mins…and the men doing the videos haven’t even practiced the art..

    2) 11 Ne balls and 4 Colt balls were tested

    3) NONE of the Colts balls were re-inflated at half time

    LMAO

  186. itsfootballbaby says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:14 AM

    So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.
    =====================================
    No, it does apply because if the Patriot’s footballs had been tested first in a warm room, the Colt’s balls would have had a chance to come back to room temperature whereas the Patriot’s balls were still closer to field temperature when they were tested.

  187. RegisHawk says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:02 PM

    Immaterial, because McNally still let the air out of the balls in the bathroom.

    It might be immaterial to the Judge that the NFL Operations Team knew nothing about weather impacting the PSI footballs. It is, of course, outrageous that an NFL operations team knew nothing about that impact of weather, but it still might be immaterial to what the Judge is ultimately being asked to do here which is, as I understand it, to determine if the process was fair and unbiased.

    OTOH, what I would guess is less likely to be immaterial to the Judge is the fact that Goodell lied in his ruling about Brady’s communications with Jastremski, and that Jeff Pash, the NFL General Counsel, actually edited Wells report. Again, I do not pretend to know how a Judge will rule, but I am thinking that Goodell lying in his ruling, and Jeff Pash editing the Wells report, may work out well for Brady’s team.

  188. Someone wrote: “He’s guilty. Let it go. No more articles on this.”

    It’s funny when people who’ve made up their mind long ago, facts be damned, always want new information that conflicts with their now strongly held belief, to be shut off. The typical comment, as the tide begins to shift is always, “let it go, move on.”

  189. my favorite exchange….NFL is a JOKE

    A. And Jastremski says in substance, “He asked about you yesterday. He said it must be a lot of stress getting the balls done.” So that message we interpret in the report to mean that Tom Brady actually had a conversation with Jastremski and during that conversation, he actually asked about McNally and the statement was made by Brady that McNally must have a lot of stress getting them done, which as I said, we interpret to mean deflation, even though it was in the context of the Jets game.

    Q. Even though it was all about inflation, you interpret it to be about deflation?

    A. That’s correct, sir.

    Q. Sorry. Okay, the text, when he’s writing to his fiancé Panda and he says, “I just mentioned some of the balls. They are supposed to be 13. They were, like, 16. Do you see that?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Now, 13 would be within the legal limit, right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So what he was saying here, he thought the balls were supposed to be 13, not lower than the legal limit? That’s what he wrote, right?

    A. That’s what he wrote.

    Q. Right. Do you have any reason to think why he would lie to his fiancé about this subject after the Jets game? What would be his motive?

    A. I didn’t say he lied to his fiancé.

    Q. Okay. So then, you believe that Mr. Jastremski truthfully told his fiancé that he
    was trying to get the balls to 13 and they came out 16, right? That was a truthful statement, you believe?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Okay. And if he was trying to get them to 13, that was not a deflation below the limit, was it?

    A. Q.

    No.

    Okay, thank you.

    Now, Mr. Wells, how much was Paul, Weiss paid to do this report?

  190. I have been railing on the unfairness of this whole debacle since Mort broke the story, and against obvious bias on the part of the league to put the screws to the Patriots for this trumped upped air pressure BS!!!

    Now that the transcripts have come out… for everyone to see and read… (conclusions aside) … the league looks awful.

    This whole mess should never have been an issue.

    The Patriots organization and Tom Brady have been the victims of a vicious campaign perpetrated by ax grinding league executives and certain owners (we know who you are Jim Irsay) to discredit them and the awesome accomplishments they have achieved.

    I will to stand on the wall with the brotherhood of Pats fans who continue to defend our team against the reprehensible acts of the League officials and fans of other teams who will continue to discredit this model franchise.

    Free Tom Brady!!!

  191. dvdman123 says:

    Give me a break, so only the Pats balls lost air “naturally”. Do Brady’s lawyers really think everyone is that stupid? This whole thing is a big joke. Brady knows he did something wrong and is NOT man enough to own up to it. Why is that so hard to accept for some of you.

    —-
    Pay close attention. It’s somewhat complicated. All of the balls – the Colts’ and the Patriots’ – lost air pressure naturally.

    At halftime they measured the Patriots balls first, logged the measurements, re-inflated the balls. THEN AFTER ~12 MINUTES WENT BY BEGAN MEASURING THE COLTS’ BALLS. Indeed they only measured 4 balls because they ran out of time. As balls warm up – the Colts balls had 12 minutes to warm up – their pressure goes up. Another factor is that how wet a ball is affects air pressure. The Patriots had the ball much more in the 1st half of the game so presumably their balls were more wet. We also don’t know which of the 4 Colts balls that were measured. Were they balls that were used in the game at all? Or were they in dry bags the whole time? Maybe they never even got wet. We don’t know. So It’s really that simple; there are scientific reasons why the difference in PSI between game time and half time wasn’t the same. But you have to pay attention to the complexities to get it. And that’s what the NFL is banking on. That people who don’t care enough or don’t have the time or don’t want to hear anything that conflicts with their beliefs (that the Patriots are CHEATERS!) will just not bother to consider the complexities of this situation.

  192. “If it is a witch hunt, they why were Jastremski and McNally fired?”

    Still? People are still asking this question?

    They were not fired. The NFL “asked” (read: made) the Patriots suspend them.

    Troy Vincent, the league’s executive vice president of football operations, is the only one who can reinstate McNally and Jastremski.

  193. At the end of the day the Judge’s ruling is not about guilt or innocence….it’s about the process. If the process is upheld Brady sits…and a major abuse of power prevails.

    The only retort for Brady would be a civil action…which I hope he takes.

    This is an embarrassment.

  194. letsgobuffalo4,

    A rule of thumb that holds well with the ideal gas law is a 1 psi pressure drop per 20 degree temperature drop.

    To get a 7 psi drop in pressur that you suggest, the game time temperature would be about 140 degrees colder than the indoor temperature, or about 70 degrees Fahrenheit below zero.

    In the ice bowl (-15F) a 13 psi room temperature football would have dropped to a little below 9 psi.

    Would it have felt charmin-soft? No. Leather feels very stiff & inelastic as it cools.

    The pressure-temperature effect is real. It just doesn’t really impact the game much at all.

    me: AB, MS, Ph.D. in chemistry, now a chemistry professor, not living in NE, was not even BORN in NE.

  195. ***If it is a witch hunt, they why were Jastremski and McNally fired? Something Pats fans have no answer for. ***

    Are you serious??? That has been answered many times over. The league ordered them suspended without pay, the Pats suspended them WITH pay and it is still currently misreported by the league and espn.

  196. It’s absolutely amazing to me folks are willing to parse depositions word by word and find obvious fault in the NFL, but completely unambiguous situations involving texts to and from “the deflator” and video showing bags going into a bathroom apparently deserves no similar consideration.

    Regardless of what one might think about the NFL, Goodell, etc, anybody who thinks McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” because he was trying to lose weight needs to help OJ find the real killers.

  197. “hairpie2 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 1:17 PM
    ***If it is a witch hunt, they why were Jastremski and McNally fired? Something Pats fans have no answer for. ***

    Are you serious??? That has been answered many times over. The league ordered them suspended without pay, the Pats suspended them WITH pay and it is still currently misreported by the league and espn.”


    What’s more the NFL could have compelled them to testify at the appeal. They didn’t do that, however. Why? Same reason none of what they said in their 4 separate interviews were included in the Wells report. What they have to say helps Brady.

  198. Goodell thought they might be warning the football…

    18 Q. Well, were both teams warming the same
    19 football?
    20 A. Well, it was because you had National take
    21 place, you want to inform both teams that this is
    22 not prohibited.
    23 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: Are you saying
    24 “warmed” or “warned”?
    25 MR. KESSLER: “Warm.”
    REDIRECT/VINCENT/KESSLERPage 257
    1 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: “Warm”?
    2 MR. KESSLER: “Warm,” W-A-R-M is what the
    3 article said.

  199. CROSS examination /STEFFEY scientist for Exponent/ by Jeffrey KESSLER Page 431

    Q.
    20 Now, you then said the reason you didn’t put
    21 in a timing variable is because you found it was
    22 statistically insignificant, and that’s what your
    23 Footnote 49 says, right?
    24 A. That’s correct.
    25 Q. Now, it’s completely the opposite of

    1 everything else you found, that timing was the most
    2 significant variable to conclude that it also is a
    3 statistically insignificant variable; is that
    4 correct or not?
    5 A. I’m not sure I followed the last part of
    6 that.
    7 Q. Okay, let me try again.
    8 A. Try again.
    9 Q. You did all this work that said timing was
    10 the most significant variable affecting ball
    11 pressure in your analysis?
    12 A. Yeah, mm-hmm.
    13 Q. And then you are saying the reason you didn’t
    14 put timing into the analysis is because when you
    15 tested ball order, you found it was an insignificant
    16 variable, correct? That’s what you testified?
    17 That’s what Footnote 49 says, right?
    18 A. Yes. I think what Footnote 49 is pointing to
    19 is an inconsistency between the results that we
    20 demonstrated experimentally, which were consistent
    21 with physical theory and the observed pattern in the
    22 halftime data. They don’t match.
    23 Q. Right. So your halftime data analysis does
    24 not match with all the other studies you did that
    25 said that timing was significant? The results are

    1 inconsistent, right?
    2 A. That’s right. And one thing to keep in mind
    3 is that the experimental results that we generated
    4 used balls that were at the same starting pressure.

  200. “dvdman123 says:

    Give me a break, so only the Pats balls lost air “naturally”.”


    No, they didn’t lose any air. They lost air pressure. Just like your tires lose air pressure when it gets cold out.

  201. ‘notmanningsays’ wrote out the ideal gas law in a much earlier post. What you really need is Boyle’s Law: P1V1T2 = P2V2T1. When the contents of the ball are not leaked and the ball itself is rigid, then the law applies. It reduces to P1T2 = P2T1. Temperature is in Kelvin – not degrees C or F. Solve for P2: P2 = P1 (T2/T1). Temperature drop means pressure drop, and vice versa. Of course, if Gronk gets a hold of it, all bets are off!

  202. rolltide510 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 1:19 PM
    It’s absolutely amazing to me folks are willing to parse depositions word by word and find obvious fault in the NFL, but completely unambiguous situations involving texts to and from “the deflator” and video showing bags going into a bathroom apparently deserves no similar consideration.
    ———-
    Just trying to play by the same “ever changing rule book” re-designed annually to give 31 teams a prayer of winning against the Pats.

  203. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:25 AM

    joker65 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 10:51 AM

    I wish we knew starting PSI, but lets assume (for the patriots sake) that the pats balls all started at 12.5 and colts at 13.5 (again this is best case scenario for the Pats). Then how did some of the Pats balls drop 2 full PSI while at the VERY MOST the colts balls dropped 1.2 PSI. Thats a big difference. Best case scenario for Pats still shows that all of their balls dropped more in pressure than the colts balls. How does science explain that? was one half of the field affected more than the other???? ANd again, this assume BEST CASE SCENARIO for the Pats. The colts balls could’ve started at 13 or 12.5 and it makes the pats look even worse.

    ___

    I did the math for you in the post. The difference was only .29 on average Pats vs Colts. Hey since we are playing “what if”, what if they had tested all the Colts balls at the same time they did the Pats balls, instead of allowing for the “warm up”? Probably would have been lower PSI in those, making the difference even smaller.

    Again, the point is that there is no starting point at all recorded. Just recollections of the referee, who Wells chooses not to believe on another part of the report.

  204. One other point I haven’t heard considered at all is what about the fact the balls are all hand made.

    If one leather casing is even slightly larger than another leather casing in volume and you put in the same bladder, then they could feel different and have different PSI with the same level of inflation by feel.

    The complexity of this will probably all come out in a year of measuring footballs, but the really easy way to do this is just come up with a common bounce test or something to ensure a ball is inflated properly when it enters the game (like in basketball). Then do away with PSI tests all together.

  205. NFL stands for many things No Fun League Not for Long and mostly No Future league. Goodell is like Obama killing America Goodell is killing the NFL in what ever form the name takes. Schemes to make more money, punishment of everyone in the family like some overbearing father…. Punishment that doesn’t fit the crime if one existed placed on people who defy him… Ignorance is no excuse. Fire Goodell Fire Vincent and all the other henchmen he has employed

  206. How exactly does the ball boy get away with warming the ball in Car vs Min when it’s just as blatant a violation of the rule they are using to prosecute Brady??? The rule being called into question specifically applies to the ball boy!

  207. Science has PROVED the deflation of the footballs, so going into the bathroom is MOOT. The text with the word DEFLATOR is moot.

    As far a sBrady not cooperating by not tuning his cell phone over is BS because he was previosuly told his personal cell phone was NOT NEEDED. Again, the PHONE WAS NOT NEEDED. This from Wells.

    Releasing the information RIGHT NOW about Brady not having his phone and saying he DESTROYED IT is obviously trying to garner support for the NFL against brady.

    So Brady was Told his personal cell phone was not needed. Brady gets new phone and volunteers the information that he doesnt have his old cell phone any longer….Since he was told it wasnt needed, this was 4 months ago, yet the NFL leaks the info now?

    Oh by the way, Brady and legal team offered up all the date that was on the phone, just in case the NFl still wanted it.

    It is quite clear the NFL is trying a smear campaign against the GOAT now that SCIENCE has Proved the lower air pressure.

  208. Why doesn’t the NFL fill the balls with nitrogen or some other gas that is close to air, but isn’t impacted by cold weather to the same extent.

  209. fireroger says:
    Aug 5, 2015 1:59 PM

    How exactly does the ball boy get away with warming the ball in Car vs Min when it’s just as blatant a violation of the rule they are using to prosecute Brady??? The rule being called into question specifically applies to the ball boy!

    ———–

    Exactly! I would say it was more probable then not that the QB knew the ball boy was doing it also.

  210. “Most importantly, there’s no record of the sequence in which the balls were tested. It has been presumed that the 11 Patriots’ football were tested first — and then re-filled with air — before the Colts’ footballs were tested. ”

    Given that the NFL’s position has been that only four Colts’ footballs were tested because “they ran out of time”, it seems clear that was the last thing the officials did during halftime. Even though Exponent tries to pretend there is some kind of doubt about this issue.

    I honestly don’t see how the NFL could act like there is doubt, given that both Troy Vincent and Mike Kensil were in the room at the time. Obviously the Pats’ footballs were tested first, because that was the primary focus of what was going on.

  211. bullcharger says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:05 PM

    Why doesn’t the NFL fill the balls with nitrogen or some other gas that is close to air, but isn’t impacted by cold weather to the same extent.

    Because that would be a waste of money. And, really, nobody really gives a damn. The entire issue is fake.

  212. It doesn’t matter if they didn’t know. Brady told someone to mess with football equipment. He cheated. He’s a cheater. But it doesn’t really matter because he’s just a football player.

  213. “Regardless of what one might think about the NFL, Goodell, etc, anybody who thinks McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” because he was trying to lose weight needs to help OJ find the real killers.”

    He didn’t “refer to himself” as if it were his name, he was talking about needing athletic shoes to exercise, and “deflating” is, in fact, a word used by some people to describe losing weight. I’m sure if you went to Google you could find hundreds of thousands of example of this. Given that McNally worked with footballs which grew in size/lose size when inflated/deflated, it’s the natural analogy for him to use.

    There’s something to be said about the risks of being overly cynical.

    People act like the word “Deflator” is like “Lex Luthor” – an admission of a secret identity. It really isn’t. And really, McNally’s explanation makes more sense than the opposite. Why, if he and Jastremski were consistently tampering with footballs, would the only evidence of this be in the form of an ambiguous text message from the previous May?

    The Patriots’ staff has a weight loss program in the Spring. This is well-document. Why is this impossible?

    I mean, really. If the air pressure measurements show no tampering with footballs, isn’t it a bit pathetic to hang the entire case on one text message that could mean what the sender says it means?

  214. the base stupidity of the haters amazes me, it’s like they can’t read and no ability to comprehend.

    “gas law only applies to pats as colts balls lost no pressure”.

    the colts balls did lose pressure dummies.

    “brady should just have owned up and he would have got a fine”

    the balls weren’t deflated dummies

    “brady destroyed his cell phone”

    you wanted him to give the nfl access to pics of gisele. remember that he was not required to give his phone to nfl and told them that he wasn’t giving it to them.

  215. “dvdman123 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:05 AM

    Give me a break, so only the Pats balls lost air “naturally”.

    They lost air _pressure_, not air. Because the air got colder. Crack open a high school chemistry book. Look up “gas laws” in the index.
    And then you can look at the tables of values in the Wells report and see that all of the footballs lost air pressure between the beginning of the game and halftime. Not just the Pats’ balls.

    ” Do Brady’s lawyers really think everyone is that stupid?”

    I’m sure they do. Given that the whole thing started because nobody in the NFL HQ knew that footballs lost air pressure when they cooled off, I have sympathy for that believe.

    The NFL should have abandoned this case before the Super Bowl. Instead, they leaked a story to Chris Mortensen with fake numbers. That they faked the numbers showed that they knew as early as January that the real numbers were not enough to prove cheating.

    Had they published the real numbers back then, all of the scientists who were called on to make comments would have said “Of course it’s reasonable for balls to lose 1.25 psi in rainy, cold weather.” And this would have been wrapped up quickly. But when you’ve started the whole thing by swearing at the Patriots, you might think that your job depends on prosecuting them.

  216. Prior to all of this – had anyone heard of the Ideal Gas Law – other than academics and such?!?!

    It is stretching it a bit to complain about Troy Vincent not knowing about the Ideal Gas Law – unless of course, that was part of his study/major at Wisconsin.

  217. Would have love to see it the transcript….Mr. Vincent which weighs more….a pound of feathers or a pound of rocks…..

    While were at it, can some one explain if train A leaves the station at 30 mph and Train B…….

  218. If anyone takes the time to read the Wells Report and the transcript it’s 100% clear that Goodell and to a lesser extent troy Vincent lied.

  219. I wish there was an entity out there paying, other than the Kraft Foundation, to read & report all the discrepancies within the transcripts, not just the NFL’s. But everyone knows there is only 1 entity with the resources & vested interest in this outcome to bother buying the amount of propaganda being currently spewed hourly here…

    Apart from biased Patriot fans, there isn’t anyone, anywhere that if they reviewed all information available…wouldn’t conclude that Brady is guilty as hell. Brady’s lawyers are trying to make this about something other than his guilt. But try as they may, nothing can change the fact that his guilt is as obvious & unquestionable as the leniency he has already been extended. He deserves a full year suspension & anything less is an insult to all NFL Fans. This isn’t about his rights, it’s about ours!!!

  220. @wk1234 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:01 AM
    helmetsail misleadingly on purpose says:

    “Wells Report Page 73, post-game ball measurements
    (Pats’ balls were re-inflated at half-time, Colts balls were left alone since they were within legal limits):

    Pats ball
    1 13.50 13.15
    2 13.35 12.95
    3 13.35 12.95
    4 13.65 13.25

    Colts ball
    1 12.90 12.50
    2 12.45 12.10
    3 12.80 12.45
    4 12.70 12.35″
    *****************************
    Helmetsail leaves out the important footnote. (The Wells report is full of footnotes that have the real info!) _Here it is word for word: “Although these measurements were recorded in conditions similar to those present during halftime, information concerning the timing of these measurements, the pressure levels at which these eight footballs started the second half and the identity of the four Colts footballs tested after the game (specifically, whether they were the same footballs that had been tested at halftime) is significantly less certain than the information about similar issues concerning the pre-game or halftime periods. As a result, our experts concluded that that the post-game measurements did not provide a scientifically reasonable basis on which to conduct a comparative analysis similar to that performed using the pre-game and halftime measurements.”*********So I ask. What type of report would include information they believe not to be reliable? I mean why include it at all if it is not reliable? Anyone? Now don’t go readin

    ===

    I don’t see how I’m being dishonest. These numbers were logged by officials and included in the Wells report. However, Wells dismissed the data as being unreliable towards reaching a conclusion for the exact reasons you cite in the footnote.

    It is in the appeal transcript that Exponent didn’t agree with Wells’s decision to dismiss the post-game data.

    Most fans many of whom didn’t read the Wells Report don’t even know that post-game pressures were logged. The weather conditions were more stable in the second half. The officials may have put too much air into the Pats’ balls at halftime. There’s many ways to read into that data, including the consistency in the Colts’ balls measurements. Nothing conclusive but I don’t think the data should be ignored

  221. “Science? We don’t need no stinkin’ science.” – Vincent

    I don’t know what’s worse, the fact that Goodell doesn’t know which end of the football is the front, or the fact that the owners don’t care that the NFL commissioner doesn’t know which end of the football is the front.

  222. truthdispensary says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:13 PM
    I wish there was an entity out there paying, other than the Kraft Foundation, to read & report all the discrepancies within the transcripts, not just the NFL’s. But everyone knows there is only 1 entity with the resources & vested interest in this outcome to bother buying the amount of propaganda being currently spewed hourly here…

    Apart from biased Patriot fans, there isn’t anyone, anywhere that if they reviewed all information available…wouldn’t conclude that Brady is guilty as hell. Brady’s lawyers are trying to make this about something other than his guilt. But try as they may, nothing can change the fact that his guilt is as obvious & unquestionable as the leniency he has already been extended. He deserves a full year suspension & anything less is an insult to all NFL Fans. This isn’t about his rights, it’s about ours!!!

    more proof that people who didn’t read both the Wells and the transcript think they deserve to have an opinion

  223. So the “ideal gas law” only applies to the Patriots balls since the Colts balls did not deflate under the same conditions. Makes sense to me.

    =============

    ah no they only tested 4 and they did deflate. but because they started at a higher PSI they weren’t as low. but still defalated. Of course the overatted colts didn’t do much with the balls and they stayed in the warm bag most of the time.

  224. I am curious (and I acknowledge I am not the brightest person in the room) why nobody has asked if footballs from other games involving other teams were tested and what the results were.
    I would think it would be fairly obvious SOMETHING was going on if everybody else had properly inflated balls.. and NE routinely did not.

  225. Between Breaking Bad references and an all out assault on the NFL… Florio is WINNING the internet this week. I bow to you sir. Well played.

  226. So there are actually men in high position in the NFL who have never seen the effects of cold air on a mylar helium balloon? Or who in middle school did not do the whole “blow up a balloon, put it in the fridge and watch what happens” experiment?

    I don’t believe these guys are that stupid.

  227. LetsgoBuffalo, you clearly don’t interpret information correctly. Most of the balls were not 2 under to start, that’s important to digest. Secondly, the balls for the Colts were able to increase in PSI while they were in the Colts locker room during the time the Lats balls were being gauged. Even 15-20 minutes can make a huge difference when you’re talking about a 40 degree jump in temperature.

    The time lapse can absolutely explain why the Colts balls inflated more…. Plus only 4 were measured so you can’t use a comparative scale here when he data is incomplete.

  228. Why doesn’t the NFL fill the balls with nitrogen or some other gas that is close to air, but isn’t impacted by cold weather to the same extent.
    ===
    Air is 78% nitrogen. There’s not really a gas that diverges much from Boyle’s Law at temperatures that humans can tolerate. It’s pretty much an immutable property of the gaseous state.

  229. It will never cease to amaze me how many media sheep there are that come on here and illustrate how completely incapable they are at processing data objectively.

    Half of the people just read the title of the article and just troll away without even digesting any of the pertinent facts without the post. The other half just come on here and show complete, blind faith in the Pats.

    Do a little research and think for yourselves once in a while, and if you haven’t really read up on the subject, just keep it yourself. It’s shameful how many people just operate with confirmation bias one way or the other.

  230. helmetsail says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:15 PM
    “I don’t see how I’m being dishonest. These numbers were logged by officials and included in the Wells report. However, Wells dismissed the data as being unreliable towards reaching a conclusion for the exact reasons you cite in the footnote.

    It is in the appeal transcript that Exponent didn’t agree with Wells’s decision to dismiss the post-game data.

    Most fans many of whom didn’t read the Wells Report don’t even know that post-game pressures were logged. The weather conditions were more stable in the second half. The officials may have put too much air into the Pats’ balls at halftime. There’s many ways to read into that data, including the consistency in the Colts’ balls measurements. Nothing conclusive but I don’t think the data should be ignored.”
    ——————————————
    I agree, it shouldn’t be ignored.. but the Wells “experts” decided it should be. Why? Because now one of the Colts footballs didn’t meet the standard on EITHER of the gauges?

    One of the four, specifically ball 2 was tested as 12.45psi and 12.10psi.. well that meets the standard that the “Patriots footballs were under 12.5 on BOTH gauges, right?” You can’t apply that twisted logic to one team and not the other; well you can, just not fairly – right? So you strike it.

    The public release of the Brady Transcripts clearly points out that Mr. Reisner wrote the first draft of the Wells Report and then was paid to represent the NFL at the Brady Appeal and even do the cross exam of Brady and Snyder (pages 269-271). Kessler even got Wells to admit, under oath, on pages 270-271:

    “that the Paul, Weiss firm is independent is clearly
    10 not correct. We now have testimony that they
    11 represented the NFL in this proceeding. They viewed
    12 the NFL as their client”

  231. Why are you confused that the patriots balls did not deflate in the second half?

    The most logical explanation, assuming you support science, is that they were measured after they reacclimated OR they were overinflated at half time and deflated to the amount measured. I’ll take the latter . Jets PSI of 16 ring a bell?

    That means that in the second half, many of the Colts balls were under inflated and many of the patriot balls were overinflated.

    Can the NFL spell integrity?

  232. Nobody has ever answered my question:
    If the PSI was such an issue to the “integrity of the game”, beyond the $25k fine documented in the game manual, then WHY HAVE THE REFS WHO HANDLE THE BALL ON EVERY PLAY OF EVERY GAME never question the inflation of Patriots footballs? Now, every troll on this site has said that the Patriots have been doing this for years, that is why they win, that is why they never fumble, etc, etc. If that is the case, why have the Ref’s NEVER QUESTIONED THIS? WHY? Can someone please give me a logical answer?

  233. From page 8 of the Wells report;
    Farley recorded the halftime pressure measurements taken by the game officials
    as follows:
    Patriots Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 11.50 11.80
    2 10.85 11.20
    3 11.15 11.50
    4 10.70 11.00
    5 11.10 11.45
    6 11.60 11.95
    7 11.85 12.30
    8 11.10 11.55
    9 10.95 11.35
    10 10.50 10.90
    11 10.90 11.35
    Colts Ball Blakeman Prioleau
    1 12.70 12.35
    2 12.75 12.30
    3 12.50 12.95
    4 12.55 12.15

    ===============================

    So according to AEI (whose report has been discredited because they used the wrong statistical model) and the ideal gas law, the longer a ball sits in the warm official’s locker room, the higher the psi will rise (after all isn’t that why the Colts’ balls were in regulations?) If that’s the case, why do the last two Patriot balls have the lowest psi readings, even after being exposed to the warm room longer?

  234. The Patriots balls were measured first! This isn’t hard to grasp people. Pats balls measured right away, Colts balls sat for 15-20 minutes…. Not rocket science.

  235. @Conservatarian TX
    The potential reason for the last two Patriots footballs having the lowest PSI readings is that they could have been the last two footballs used prior to halftime by the Patriots; this also would mean that they are likely to be the wettest of all.. a factor that SIGNIFICANTLY impacts psi readings.

  236. @ Conservatarian TX

    I went down that same road asking the same.
    Also the last Colt ball is the lowest

    The expert Brady had at the appeal in the transcript brings up a 3 minute time scale well withing the time to make all the testing.

    When this thing gets re run in games this season it will never show these type of ratios.

  237. Troy Vincent’s knowledge of the “Ideal Gas Law” prior to DeflateGate doesn’t have anything to do with Brady creating himself an avenue to have the footballs deflated after they were measured & approved for game play by the NFL referees, which is against the rules.

    1) Patriot Balls Deflated beyond science explanation
    2) Brady lies before media
    3) 6 Text messages found on JJ & JM phones dating to before the 2014 season, proving activity was multiyear & directly implicating Brady as director of Cheating activity
    4) Patriots block 2nd interviews with JJ & JM
    5) Brady refuses to cooperate & destroys his phone same day as meeting with investigators
    6) Patriots admit to cheating by accepting punishment for their part in the cheating activity
    7) Brady continues to lie (while planning with Belicheat & Kraft several new “testing the rules” options)

    The only reports that matter are the one’s that summarize these key points.

    Once a cheater, always a cheater. No hall of fame for you Shady!!

  238. In the I DON’T THINK YOU CAN GET THERE FROM HERE department:

    Nobody’s mention this, far as I know, but I believe the IGL (so called) probably would NOT account for a 10-15% loss in PSI.

    In a car tie inflated to 36-38 psi you lose maybe 2-4 psi in freezing cold and wet temps. That would be about 1-2% loss in psi.

    Just FYI.

  239. bullcharger says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:05 PM

    Why doesn’t the NFL fill the balls with nitrogen or some other gas that is close to air, but isn’t impacted by cold weather to the same extent.

    ——————

    Air is nitrogen (more than anything else) and it does follow Boyles law, as do ALL GASSES IN THE WORLD.

  240. The NFL was/is blinded by their environment (their perceived power and nobody is above them).

    NFL office, breaking news: THIS IS AMERICA!

    Also, many folks in the media took a stand against the WORLD CHAMPIONS based on fake information. Because of job security, they won’t change their views to reality.

    The NFL thought they could wiggle around their official 19 Jan. letter to Mr. Kraft that stated the Colts footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges.

    Then the TRUTH and WRATH of the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) deflated their paper ship.

    Most importantly, who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office.

  241. The NFL still does NOT grasp even the basic concept.

    If they did, they would have changed the ball pressure regulations by having it say 12.5-13.5 psi, when measured at room temperature.

    If they did, they would not be planning to “look and see what happens to footballs in cold games in 2015”.

    We KNOW what happens to football pressure in cold games.

    Their plan is like saying “we are not sure that 2 plus 2 equals 4, but for the next year we will take notes. Whenever we have two of something and then we get two more of that something, do we then have 4 of them? We will test this and find out”

  242. Do all of you haters (mark4steelers esp.) realize that Pats balls probably started (inflated to 12.5 psi) and the Colts balls probably started at 13.5….that is what you need to understand why there is a difference and that the Pats balls did not deflate MORE than the Colts balls, they started less to begin with…duh?

    And the NFL did not care about science or even think about it, they thought they could get ’em…
    A group, now exposed, should come clean and admit everything about the STING…That is what all you haters wanted The Pats and Brady to do, when you thought they were cheating….we now know the NFL has liars and vindictive losers employed in managerial positions….

  243. It is real nice to finally see the anti Patriot comments being overwhelmingly down voted while the anti NFL comments are up voted by a nearly ten to one ratio. Finally, the majority of the public seems to be coming around to see this for what it is, a frame job from the start.

  244. mark4steelers says:
    1) Patriot Balls Deflated beyond science explanation

    Ans: Mortensen admits info supplied was erroneous. Anyone with working brain cells, not destroyed by alcohol or drugs, realizes air temp affects the ball.

    2) Brady lies before media

    Ans: Brady NEVER lied to the media, in fact the media was upset because he refused to give any interviews.

    3) 6 Text messages found on JJ & JM phones dating to before the 2014 season, proving activity was multiyear & directly implicating Brady as director of Cheating activity

    Ans: I don’t know what you were smoking when you dreamed this one up, but every single story and the newly released transcripts from the NFL dispute anything like this even happened.

    4) Patriots block 2nd interviews with JJ & JM

    Ans: Still smoking? Patriots blocked 4th interview.

    5) Brady refuses to cooperate & destroys his phone same day as meeting with investigators

    Ans: Wells tells Brady his phone isn’t needed. Brady destroys phone, which also includes pictures of his family, but does supply texts, phone records, and data for the past year.

    6) Patriots admit to cheating by accepting punishment for their part in the cheating activity

    Ans: Patriots accept punishment hoping to end case and move on. Brady never accepted his punishment.

    7) Brady continues to lie (while planning with Belicheat & Kraft several new “testing the rules” options)

    Ans: Everyone except for you seems to have started reading all the reports and stories coming out of the trial. Even lapdog ESPN is sitting back now and waiting.

  245. So much ignoranace and so little time…

    BRADY WAS NOT SUSPENDED DUE TO UNDER INFLATED FOOTBALLS !!!

    This problem is all Brady’s fault, all he had to do is allow the specific keyword searches on his messages, if he had nothing to hide he would have gotten away free and clear, if he had messages about deflating footballs, he would have only gotten a fine, but by not cooperating he earned his suspension…and the NFL was lenient in the 4 games…it should have been longer !!!
    As Goodell said, when someone used PEDS they get a suspension, when someone uses PEDS and a Masking agent to hide the PEDS, they get a longer suspension for trying to hide the truth !!!

  246. When these new rules for measuring the PSI in the footballs come into effect is it going to be done inside a nice warm locker room/office or outside where the game will be played? What is the point of these new rules if you are still going to have a temperature differential when they are measured?

  247. The NFL was/is blinded by their environment (their perceived power and nobody is above them).

    NFL office, breaking news: THIS IS AMERICA!

    Also, many folks in the media took a stand against the WORLD CHAMPIONS based on fake information. Because of job security, they won’t change their views to reality.

    The NFL thought they could wiggle around their official 19 Jan. letter to Mr. Kraft that stated the Colts footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges.

    Then the TRUTH and WRATH of the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) deflated their paper ship.

    Most importantly, who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs at half-time (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office.

  248. Goodell has destroyed the sanctity and credibility of the game. If you are going to drop the hammer you better be damned sure you are right.

  249. pierrodelon says:
    Aug 5, 2015 5:55 PM
    In the I DON’T THINK YOU CAN GET THERE FROM HERE department:

    Nobody’s mention this, far as I know, but I believe the IGL (so called) probably would NOT account for a 10-15% loss in PSI.

    In a car tie inflated to 36-38 psi you lose maybe 2-4 psi in freezing cold and wet temps. That would be about 1-2% loss in psi.

    Just FYI.************

    I know your numbers are made-up, but even using them, a drop of 4 P.S.I. out of 38 P.S.I. is over a 10% drop, not a 1% to 2% drop. Nice try.

  250. Conservatarian TX says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:56 PM

    So according to AEI (whose report has been discredited because they used the wrong statistical model) and the ideal gas law, the longer a ball sits in the warm official’s locker room, the higher the psi will rise (after all isn’t that why the Colts’ balls were in regulations?) If that’s the case, why do the last two Patriot balls have the lowest psi readings, even after being exposed to the warm room longer?

    ===============================

    First, the AEI was not discredited. The only thing that was disputed what their characterization of the Exponent model as unusual or uncommon. Literally none of the AEI conclusions were disputed.

    Regarding pressure readings, these gauges were not calibrated or verified. They show a range of readings, plus vary widely between the two gauges. So the best we can do is take an average. Putting them in order only matters as a group. We do know that time was a factor between the Pats ball measurements and the Colts ball measurements because they went back and re-inflated the Pats balls before measuring the Colts balls.

    Also, based on the readings it appears the two officials switched gauges after the Pat’s balls were measured/re-inflated.

    Bottom line: Without any controls or process in place nor even a basic consideration (let alone knowledge) of science the NFL thinks it proved that someone deflated the footballs. It is a joke to base any punishment off of this clown-show.

  251. The NFL front office is the prime example for the dumbing down of America. They need remedial math and science classes more than anyone.

  252. Once Hillary Clinton turns over her email servers, we will get to the truth about Deflate Gate. Maybe.

  253. Actually they tested four Patriots balls after the game and they had psi above 13.5. That is because they added air at halftime to a football whose psi would be 12.5 if they left it alone and it warmed to 71 degrees. The above 13.5 unnerved them so much they stopped and decided not to talk about it or dwell on it. They were so ignorant of high school science.
    The NFL front office is completely immoral (check the concussion data), and should pay some huge penalty laced with many apologies. Likely nothing will happen unless they have congressional hearings.

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