NFL did indeed check Jets locker room for bugs

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Yes, the NFL checked the Jets’ locker room at Gillette Stadium on Sunday for bugs. No, it didn’t happen at the behest of the Jets.

While continuing to make phone calls and otherwise to seek confirmation that the search happened, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the sweep definitely happened. It occurred as part of the “regular [and] random checks” that the NFL conducts at all stadiums.

The effort went farther than simply looking for bugs; it was part of a broader check of electronic systems and devices.

While some will say that it was coincidental, to say the least, that a “regular and random” check occurred at Gillette Stadium prior to the first post-#DeflateGate game between the Jets and Patriots, it indeed appears to be the product of normal league policies.

So this one should go away as quickly as the last Friday controversy involving Gillette Stadium did.

259 responses to “NFL did indeed check Jets locker room for bugs

  1. Further proof that the Patriots are in everyone’s heads, all the way to the top of the league.

  2. I wanna see Roger doing some of this himself. If I were going to continue to put allegations on a team, then I would at least want to be the one investigating

  3. When did they change the definition of random to harassing, blatant harassment? I challenge the NFL to release reports of when and where these alleged random checks have been done in the last 2 years. I bet it’s a short list………..with one place listed.

  4. Still, who leaked that info to Carton and Boomer? The news that this is normal will never generate the buzz that it was done at the Jets’ behest. Someone at the Park Ave. offices is still trying to make the Pats look bad.

  5. Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting

  6. Random my backside.

    The Patriots, in particular Brady, are making Goodell look like a fool.

    Goodell and his office are the guys that cheated. They tried to fix who wins and who loses, not by picking a specific winner, but by heavily handicapping the team that has proven to be head and shoulders above the other teams in the NFL going on 15 years. It blew up in their face because Brady’s a fighter.

    Goodell got caught and instead of stepping down in disgrace he took the offensive. Now, he, his minions, the Colts, Ravens, Cowboys and others are being exposed.

  7. “regular and random checks”. Sure. Just like how they tested the PSI of footballs for the first time in league history at halftime of the AFC Championship. “Regular and Random”. “Independent”. “Unbiased”. “Integrity.”

    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  8. This has gone past reasonable. Something big got the owners panties in a bunch. It surely can’t be as simple as their teams can’t compete with the Patriots. The bloodlust against them is palatable. Where’s the really great investigative reporters of today? There’s a story out there that would make all previous “gates” seem like child’s play. Only one thing can be driving this and it has to be money. Florio here’s your chance for that Pulitzer, go get em!! Shake up the world!

  9. And was kensil there?

    Can the NFL offices be any more transparent in their lust to find something anything wrong with the patriots?

    Absolutely disgraceful

    Of course with karma working its magic I look for something bizarre to happen with these low lifes

    Lenny system in line 2 mr kensil

  10. There are some bad dudes in the NFL offices.

    It would be great to have a journalist that has an inside connection there to ask around what it’s like inside there. They could quote ‘unnamed’ sources. Would be curious to hear the dirt that goes on internally there and what the real conversations are about the Pats.

    Maybe there’s an old ex-NFL employee that could tell us???
    Off the record (of course).

  11. “Regular and random.” If you believe that, please send me $10,000 and I will pay you back $10,000,000 once I use that to regain access to my royal accounts.

    Sincerely Yours,
    Prince of Zamunda

  12. Maybe they’re gathering evidence and will make charges at the end of the year.

    Lifetime bans coming for Belichick and Brady + Bob Kraft will be relegated to Patriots business only.

  13. You people have no one to blame but yourselves. You act as if you never been found guilty of a single thing, as if your owner hasn’t apologized, paid a fine, and given up draft picks, more than than once. All for cheating the game.

    My team my not have a single Lombardi trophy and a single win on the season. At least I know we are trying and will do so with honor and respect for the game.

  14. Why is this the first time, amid all the allegations that the NFL is mentioning that they do regular and random sweeps. That should have been part of the ESPN and SI stories. If the NFL regularly sweeps, why would the teams feel a need to sweep themselves?

    What other things do they do to ensure the integrity of the game? That would go a long way to the NFL fans getting a feeling that the NFL is actually interested in the integrity of the game.

  15. BB doesn’t need to bug your locker, he’s already deep inside your heads! That’s why, just to be safe, NFL HQ all surgically removed their own brains. Don’t believe me? – but the evidence speaks for itself!

  16. All you haters that think the patriot fans are arrogant loud mouth whiners and deny, deny, deny…Just remember…you built this monster with all your continued drivel and hate.

    Beware: It’s gonna get a lot worse…just don’t let us keep winning. I mean, it’s in your teams’ control…just shut us up by beating us and we’ll go away. But until then, we will be relentless and obnoxious…and it’s all because you don’t believe in science!

  17. Oh Roger…you silly man, you.

    We can’t wait until you drive down Route 1.

    You will show up for the AFC Championship won’t you?

    The fried clams at the Red Wing are on me!

  18. …”product of normal league policies.” Dear Mr. Florio, My name is Joe and I have a wonderful opportunity for you to tripel your money. Simply send me $20,000.00 in the next few days and I will return to you $60,000.00, but you must hurry as this is a very limited time opportunity. So send your money to this P.O. Box in Nigeria and these riches will be yours. P.S. It wouldn’t hurt to send along your S.S. #, you know for tax purposes.
    Your Joe

  19. Incredibly tired of this stuff. When is Goodell going to put and end to this paranoia for if not for the “integrity” of his office. People are looking for bugs in the wrong places…a big one can be found up Roger’s fart locker.

  20. mkreef says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:21 PM
    You hate us cause you ain’t us!

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    Naaah, we hate them because of fans like you…

  21. Does Roger Gooddell realize just how obvious he is being by targeting Gillette Stadium for this action, in which there was no “complaining” party????

    Gooddell is continuing his witch-hunt against the Patriots, and I’m wondering how far Bob Kraft will allow this to go before he finally says “Enough!”.

    Gooddell is only adding to the cheating “legacy” of the Patriots, in the eyes of the “haters”, and he is systematically destroying the image of a very proud franchise.

    Grow a set, Bob Kraft …… SOON!!!!!

  22. I would like to see the results of all the “random” testing.

    – what other stadiums were searched?
    – what items were they looking for?

    The witch hunt continues in New England.

    All we have to do is keep on winning.

  23. Now would be a good time for the NFL to release a press release saying this is standard operation, and these checks have been carried out in such and such stadiums this year.

    I will not hold my breath.

  24. You know they didn’t find anything. Because if they found anything — ANYTHING — it would have been reported faster than the speed of light. In less than 12 Parsecs

    On a lighter note, I want to point out that the Patriots are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Regardless of what they do to prove their innocence in this, their efforts will be turned around and used against them.

    I know this will fall on deaf ears for many, but I strongly believe that the Patriots’ ordeal this past offseason should serve as a rally cry for the fans of other teams. They had draft picks taken away and their star player’s reputation has been irreparably damaged by this incompetent, arrogant, clown show Commissioner.

    For doing nothing. What if your team is next? There was no definitive proof — NONE — that Brady (or anyone else) did anything nefarious but his reputation has still been destroyed, permanently. Being compared to the players in the 1919 Black Sox scandal.

  25. So they did and then they didn’t but then they did but they do it all the time. Ok to what teams? release that information along with all the PSI #’s that you’ve been gathering for half the season. How much longer does this continue with Goodell and his cronies clearly targeting the Patriots because they can, because they want to. Is he the commissioner of all the teams or just all the teams except that Patriots. I find it hard to believe that if this type of behaviour continues that the Patriots and ownership would not have some type of legal leg to stand on.

  26. I’d like to say unbelievable but it’s not. I expect another attempt at a frame job and I don’t blame the Pats if they demand an NFL sweep every game.

    This is the NFL’s version of heads I win tails you lose. Has anyone ever heard of sweeping for bugs? The latest in a never ending series of lies. Yet there are still residents of Haternation. Had I lived there I’d change my screen name and hope no one noticed.

  27. Isn’t the real story the fact the NFL refuses to check the Gillette Stadium Away Team locker rooms at the request of the Patriots?

    Why would the NFL deny this request? Integrity?

  28. toddsuperbowles says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:42 PM
    mkreef says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:21 PM
    You hate us cause you ain’t us!

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    Naaah, we hate them because of fans like you…

    Sorta means they own you then, doesn’t it?

  29. How convenient. The “random” check happens to fall during a Jets game.

    Was Mike Kensil there? Where is Mike Kensil anyway? Why was his office moved this past offseason?

    Was Mike Kensil at the game last year on 10.16.14? Why were 4 balls of Brady’s almost 16 PSI?

    Hmm.

  30. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:49 PM

    Good to see Kraft values winning over his team being an embarrassment.
    ———————

    So he should value his team being an embarrassment over winning, like the owners of the Colts, Texans, Browns or 49ers?

    Why would a successful owner do that?

  31. Unfortunately counter espionage measures are the only way for teams to get a leg up going into Fruadborough.

  32. I think that it is prudent to be cautious whenever you are in enemy territory… Especially a divisional rival with a reputation of cheating. real or not…

  33. And the regular and random check found nothing.

    That needs to be said in every article, Mr. Florio.

  34. The NFL needs to check Lambeau field locker rooms and also do an investigation into the entire Packers organization.
    Id like to know EXACTLY WHO has major ownership of the Green Bay Packers. Im not talking about the “stock” that was sold to fans. Im talking about the 2 anonymous majority owners. Id also like to know if any owners of real stock are affiliated with the media, the league, politics government or law enforcement
    Id also like to know how extra seats are given out to the locals and why they are allowed to be a non profit organization

  35. It only would matter if they actually found something. Otherwise, who cares.
    ===
    Wrong.

    If you search and find nothing, that means that nothing was there. That means no one is plating any bugs. I guarantee you that 32 teams and their fans want to know that.

  36. And when the sweep equipment fails it will be the Patriots fault as well because we all know it’s the responsibility of the team to make sure the debugging equipment works correctly. rolleyes

    The Jets got beat with no evidence of bugs in the locker room. Go figure. Maybe people like Dungy, Manning, and Vanderjagt who advocated this nonsense should start realizing it’s more about tendencies and what’s on tape instead of thinking they are incapable of tipping the other side naturally. Just sayin’

  37. “They probably found a picture of Edelman and Brady in bed together.”

    So, this is where you mind went after reading that article?

    Have you told your parents yet bro? I bet they’ll be super supportive.

    =)

  38. eraserhead00 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:27 PM
    Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting
    _______________

    What’s disgusting is making crap up. What court were the aforementioned colts TESTIFYING in and how did the entire rest of the world miss it? Covering up what exactly? Acknowledgement of their paranoia in an article?? Steroids??

    The need to hate is warping minds at an exponential rate

  39. afancydraft says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:53 PM
    Why is the NSA running league we all once enjoyed.

    Because whiny little rats who couldn’t win straight up decide to frame a great team to soothe their pathetic little egos. Now no one can trust anyone. All because bad sports couldn’t deal with reality.

    The saddest part of all is that the real cheaters have skated, so far.

  40. FoozieGrooler says:

    The Patriots can no longer be trusted.
    They earned their reputation.

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    The league can no longer be trusted.
    They earned their reputation.

  41. judalation says:
    Oct 30, 2015 5:05 PM
    I think that it is prudent to be cautious whenever you are in enemy territory… Especially a divisional rival with a reputation of cheating. real or not…


    Yes always prudent.
    Real or not? What does that even mean?

  42. fanofpft says:
    Oct 30, 2015 5:04 PM

    Unfortunately counter espionage measures are the only way for teams to get a leg up going into Fruadborough.
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    Perhaps they should try playing better football, because whatever they are currently doing isn’t working.

  43. It is a short walk from looking for evidence to planting same .I do not and never have bought into any conspiracy theory of any kind but —–
    not sure if the NFL league office is above having a throw down gun.

  44. eraserhead00 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:27 PM
    Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting
    _______________

    What’s disgusting is making crap up. What court were the aforementioned colts TESTIFYING in and how did the entire rest of the world miss it? Covering up what exactly? Acknowledgement of their paranoia in an article?? Steroids??

    The need to hate is warping minds at an exponential rate

    Kudos to Social Media for providing the fertile soil for this type of insanity. How the hell can anyone think the world is better off with twitter?

  45. “What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting”

    Brady has never tested positive for steroids or any PED.

    What’s actually disgusting is that because you dislike a player or team you make up lies like this and post them as fact.

    Shameful, disgusting, pathetic.

    But that’s the Pats hater way. Just keep making things up over and over again and pretending they’re fact. Its a cowards way of dealing with adversity.

  46. ““They probably found a picture of Edelman and Brady in bed together.””

    Dude, gay jokes are so 1980s. And just shows your own man crushes and jealousy.

    Why don’t you join this century some day ?

  47. Yeah routine. I’m sure it’s also routine for the league office to leak details of the search to the media after conducting searches at other facilities. Not.

  48. While we are at it, a few more questions for Goodell that the mainstream sports media never seem to ask him.

    Who leaked the slanted deflategate story to Bob Kravitz the night of the AFCG and why has this information not been made public?

    Who from the NFL offices leaked the bogus 11 of 12 balls story to Mortensen and why has this information not been made public?

    Who leaked to Kelly Naqi that lead to the bogus “Inside the Lines” story and why has this information not been made public?

    Who is doing the “random” psi tests, how are they being monitored to ensure they are not biased, and and why has this information not been made public?

    What was the specific testimony of the two Patriots equipment guys and why has this information not been made public?

    The NFL wants to act in secret, hire hacks that they call independent, leak lies and half-thruths, and tell everyone we should trust the even after they were called out by a federal judge. The NFL is the perp, not the victim.

  49. eraserhead00 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:27 PM

    Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting
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    There were a couple of articles here on PFT not too long ago about the Colts bugging delusions, and the Tom Brady steroids story was some bit made up by Opie and Anthony.

    I’m convinced that some of you bozos will believe anything, no matter how far-fetched.

  50. The Pats are the best because the work harder and prepare better than any other team, this has been repeatedly mentioned by players that went on to other teams.

    Hard work, attention to detail, innovation and success used to be respected in this country.

    Now the lazy, self entitled, whining, politically correct crowd view hard work and innovation as “cheating” because they are incapable of doing so themselves and/or too lazy to do so.

  51. The NFL office has gone completely off the rails. How can they justify this nonsense. How petty & childish.

  52. Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting
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    Were that the case – wouldn’t that have been the easiest thing in the world to prove? Where are all the stories about sweeps finding bugs? In fact, The Pats are probably the only team to have hard cold evidence that they DON’T bug locker rooms, having been repeatedly checked for it by the teams infected with the paranoia that only inferiority can induce.

  53. Oh, and where is this testimony you refer to? I don’t recall Dungy et al claiming they had evidence of bugging under oath. Only that there were suspicions. That does not equate with “testimony”. Just paranoia.

  54. So if no one can find any proof of cheating this year by the Pats, what explains why they are so dominating so far this year? Oh its because they are actually a really good team? NFL FO looking like bums.

  55. Even the NFL believes the Patriots are full-time cheaters. Random my arse! The league knows that the Patriots will do anything to have a leg up on it’s opponent that they are willing to come out and do a sweep for bugs or whatever advantage might be plausible. The Patriots are scum.****

  56. I’ve decided I’m going old school and make like a raider fan from the Stabler years or a cowboy fan from the Aikman years. They owned the haters. Every time haters repeat a lie or start a new one it’s proof of ownership so please, don’t ever change.

    They got a lot of what the pats are getting now, albeit with no evidence to support the charges.

  57. Matt Dolloff says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:21 PM
    Further proof that the Patriots are in everyone’s heads, all the way to the top of the league.——————————————————————————————————

    Yup. The Patriots are in everyone’s head. For no reason, except they are always going to be considered cheaters.

  58. I’ve become a Pats fan this year. I’m sorry but losers should focus on trying to beat them. Not make excuses and allegations to cover up for their inept squads. Lame. Never cared for the Pats but this has gotten ridiculous.

  59. What is in place to have prevented the Jets from planting something the Dolphins would ‘find’ (be told where it was) or the Dolphins from planting something the Redskins would ‘find’ about a week from now?

    Police have never planted evidence, nor have the DEA. So it must be on the up and up.

  60. The NFL didn’t check the Jets locker room at Gillette Stadium for bugs the Pats had an exterminator come in and spray the locker room after the Jets left. No telling what they’ll bring in from NYC.

  61. I think the NFL is being smart. I am sure the Pats are not the only team suspected of doing this. It seems to me that more notice should be taken on what coaches and teams will do to get a “competitive edge”. It seems to me that teams have the “catch me if can” attitude. Again the NFL is being blamed for trying to stop this.

  62. As if it was needed, this is further confirmation that the NFL is run by pathological liars. If they expect us to believe that they “randomly” chose to sweep the Jets locker room at Gillette, then I should really start selling bridges or something.

  63. mathprof84 says:
    Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Testified means give evidence as a witness in a court of law. What court did these 3 give testimony in? They told of how paranoid they were.

    BB is so far in the heads of every team in the NFL, some more than others, and those in the NFL offices. It is freaking hilarious! He does it all rent free too!

    I’m guessing NFL and former Jets employee Kensil had this done and leaked it to former NY Jet Esiason who was the 1st to report it.

    BB’s father has written the definitive book on coaching and scouting. If you want to be a football coach or scout this is the one book you read. BB started breaking down football game films at his fathers knee as an 8 year old and has been coaching in the NFL since 1975. The last person who needs to cheat is him.

    Ask any player who has played for him and they’ll tell you they were always well prepared and were never surprised by something that had happened on the field.

  64. They’ll get caught again and all these patsie fans giving the thumbs down to anti patsie posts will go back under their rock.

  65. We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated. Even delusional Pats’ fans have to agree with this proposition.

    The question becomes…at what point will Kraft look in the mirror and recognize that as long as he has Belichick running the show, nobody with an objective viewpoint will respect the Pats, and by extension, Kraft.

    If I were Kraft, I’d want to reclaim my honor and dignity over everything even at the risk of flushing it all away. I’d fire BB immediately, purge everyone associated with him and get as many picks for Brady as I could. As a Giant fan, I wouldn’t root for them so long as they had this black cloud hovering over them. Even if they won as much as NE, it would feel tainted.

    NE did this to themselves. As a football fan first, I wish I could look at the Pats and say, “now there is one of the great teams that ever played.” What they’ve done is AWESOME. No doubt about it. I just can’t believe it’s all on the up and up based on their history (spygate, headsets, deflated balls, semi-illegal formations, bugged lockerrooms). Even if some never happened, the collective fog over it all diminishes my respect for the team. That’s just me and I’m NOT a hater. My team owns the Pats and is in a different conference so my team and I have never been wronged by them (or if we have, we still won so whatever).

  66. roger Roger! Random my foot! The Pats should go do a second sweep. The NFL might have planted something in there to frame them again.
    The Pats beat the Jets and sure enough that the NFL filed their appeal became big news. The Pats beat the Dolphins and sure enough that the NFL conducted a bug sweep is another news. This is beyond silly. This is sick. Some people in the NFL need a sweeping mental health check up.

  67. “Once your caught cheating, you are forever branded as a cheater.”

    Then you better look up the history of your own team. Because I have a newsflash for you. All 32 NFL teams have repeatedly been caught doing naughty things the last 20 or 25 years.

    So by your own declaration, your own team is “forever branded as a cheater”

  68. We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated. Even delusional Pats’ fans have to agree with this proposition.
    ===

    This is called presupposition without evidence.

  69. I think the NFL is being smart. I am sure the Pats are not the only team suspected of doing this. It seems to me that more notice should be taken on what coaches and teams will do to get a “competitive edge”. It seems to me that teams have the “catch me if can” attitude. Again the NFL is being blamed for trying to stop this.
    ===
    Go crawl back under your rock, limakey, because the light has blinded you again.

    The NFL is being blamed for LEAKING this.

  70. Kensil should be rotting in a jail cell some place for deliberately causing the falsified evidence which later came to be introduced in a Federal courtroom dealing with his botched Framegate attempt. Instead, light-touch Goodell allows his own Inspector Clouseau to continue to place the league in further jeopardy. Time to fire this Clouseau-Kensil immediately, Goodell–& then yourself for your abysmal NON-supervision.

  71. There is zero chance that the Patriots haven’t been involved in other acts to gain a competitive advantage against their opponents. They were busted for Spygate and they were busted for Deflategate. Steeler Nation doesn’t even acknowledge any of their stained hardware. We should have at least 8 and probably more if systemic cheating wasn’t happening by Boston.

  72. “why they are allowed to be a non profit organization”

    They’re allowed to be a non-profit because they were before the league set the rules disallowing non-profits because they are terrified of other teams taking the same rout.

    Here’s what happens with a non-profit.

    1. Each year a financial statement showing how much money was made and how it was used/distributed must be published. The league absolutely does not want fans knowing how much team owners make.

    2. Because its a non-profit, they use the massive profits that other owners greed up for themselves to upgrade their own stadium, and to use whatever is left over after salaries and other expenses for charity work in the Green Bay community. The other owners are terrified of this for several reasons.

    -First is that if they have to use their own money to build stadiums, how can they soak the taxpayer with stadium costs while keeping all the profit ?

    -Second is the Packers will never ever move, never ever be able to use that as a threat to extort a billion dollars or so to build a new stadium with from the Green Bay community. Think of all the fanbases that are constantly in threat of losing their team to another city and think of how beautiful this is for Packers fans.

    -Third, the Packers put I believe far more money into charity than the other franchises and again, this would prevent the an owner from greeding up as much of the money as they do with other franchises.

    That’s why when they had the chance the outlawed other franchises from using the non-profit model. Its all about greed.

    If I wasn’t a Pats fan I’d be a Packers fan. They have a great stadium that the team regularly upgrades at its own expense, they can never move, and the give a huge amount back to the community.

  73. limakey says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:07 PM

    I think the NFL is being smart. I am sure the Pats are not the only team suspected of doing this. It seems to me that more notice should be taken on what coaches and teams will do to get a “competitive edge”. It seems to me that teams have the “catch me if can” attitude. Again the NFL is being blamed for trying to stop this.
    ——————————-

    Stop what? Is the bugging of locker rooms a problem throughout the league?

  74. First, I want to thank all of the opposition fans in providing me many hours of entertainment during the offseason and inbetween games. Next, this string has not disappointed, my favorite so far is an unsubstantiated claim of Brady on steroids. It should be noted that the Patriots asked for the sweep to combat bogus accusations, like Mike Tomlin’s. It should also be noted that the Patriots asked at the beginning of the season to have their facilities swept by the NFL prior to every game, which the NFL declined to do.

  75. .
    Multiple media outlets are reporting that the request to sweep came from the Jets.

    Roger Goodell / Mike Kensil say that the Jets were completely and totally unaware of the league’s actions.

    I think Todd Bowles is an unequivocal liar.
    .

  76. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:33 PM

    We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated. Even delusional Pats’ fans have to agree with this proposition.

    The question becomes…at what point will Kraft look in the mirror and recognize that as long as he has Belichick running the show, nobody with an objective viewpoint will respect the Pats, and by extension, Kraft.

    If I were Kraft, I’d want to reclaim my honor and dignity over everything even at the risk of flushing it all away. I’d fire BB immediately, purge everyone associated with him and get as many picks for Brady as I could. As a Giant fan, I wouldn’t root for them so long as they had this black cloud hovering over them. Even if they won as much as NE, it would feel tainted.

    NE did this to themselves. As a football fan first, I wish I could look at the Pats and say, “now there is one of the great teams that ever played.” What they’ve done is AWESOME. No doubt about it. I just can’t believe it’s all on the up and up based on their history (spygate, headsets, deflated balls, semi-illegal formations, bugged lockerrooms). Even if some never happened, the collective fog over it all diminishes my respect for the team. That’s just me and I’m NOT a hater. My team owns the Pats and is in a different conference so my team and I have never been wronged by them (or if we have, we still won so whatever).
    ————————–

    Sounds like all that is in your head, and no one else’s.

    I feel sorry for those who can’t simply enjoy watching one of the greatest football teams in recent history, without having to filter it through their own delusional disorder.

    I really feel sorry for those that have fallen for the lies put forth by the duplicitous NFL league office.

  77. bush1069 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:49 PM

    Once a cheater always a cheater…once a lair always a lair
    —————————-

    You mean like a hideaway?

    Once a hater, always a bozo.
    – Benjamin Franklin

  78. wvucolumbus says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:51 PM

    Steeler Nation doesn’t even acknowledge any of their stained hardware. We should have at least 8 and probably more.
    ====================================
    Steeler nation somehow manages to ignore their own rampant steroid use which directly led to 4 tainted SB titles.

    I guess all those steroids damage your memory.

  79. vancouversportsbro says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:24 PM
    They probably found a picture of Edelman and Brady in bed together.

    Good one. For a fifth grader!!!

  80. 80% of the NFL Front Office personnel used to be employed by the Jets. Coincidence my butt. Screw you Goodell.

  81. if you think the patriots have ever cheated, you are just a fool and a loser. Filming from the wrong spot? Balls slightly underinflated? What a joke.

  82. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:33 PM
    We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated. Even delusional Pats’ fans have to agree with this proposition.

    Justin, “we” don’t all know anything of the sort and neither do you. Furthermore, “we” certainly don’t have to and don’t agree with your absurd proposition.
    I know this may come as a shock to you, but the reason the Patriot’s have had the success they have has nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with having the best owner, coach. and quarterback in the league.
    And I hate to be the one to tell you but in NE we really don’t care what a NY Giant fan thinks about the team or its fans.

  83. vancouversportsbro says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:24 PM
    They probably found a picture of Edelman and Brady in bed together.

    Just because such things regularly occur in British Colombia, does not mean it is commonplace in the United States.

  84. If this is the NFL that the Flaming Liar promised the owners would earn $40 Billion dollars in short order, my hope is that it will crash and burn.

    The NFL seems to be turning into a Reality TV Show in my opinion.

    Does anyone else feel like it’s starting to seem like the NFL is rigged?

    Shouldn’t the Justice Department be paying attention to all this contrived nonsense going on? I mean, who the hell is Goodell’s overseer?

  85. “everyone’s head. For no reason, except they are always going to be cheaters”

    lol right.

    Read these comment sections for starters. You and all your buddies are obsessed with the patriots. There are dozens of posters on this site that have dedicated their screen names to hating the patriots and even more pathetic clowns that post constantly in patriots threads.

    Then you have the paranoia of people like Mike tomlin and tony dungs.

    The patriots own a lot of real estate in domes. It is undeniable

  86. The Patriots have earned the right to be suspected of cheating. They’ve been caught numerous times, and it’s very, very rare that criminals get away with the crime more often than they’re caught.

  87. The luckiest thing that the Pats have going for them is that Goodell and the NFL are so grossly incompetent that Pats fans can actually justify that the Pats are simply a ‘victim’ and have never done anything wrong. It gives them plausible deniability.

    Speaking for myself…. if Coughlin ran a spygate system (which by recent reports was MUCH more than just taping the Rams and Jets once in awhile), jammed headset frequencies, etc., I woudn’t root for the Giants no matter how much they won until Mara purged the hovering cloud “are these wins legit?” I couldn’t take pleasure in their success with even the prospect of that hovering over the team. If I was Kraft, I wouldn’t even walk down the street of a non-New England town simply because I know that the person looking at me thinks I’m a cheat.

    The stench of cheat doesn’t go away until the root cause is exterminated. Sorry NE fans. I’ve got plenty of family in Mass that live and die NE and they know deep down that I’m right. All the Goodell missteps don’t change the perception. Again…you CAN’T call me a hater. Sorry. I’m a fan of the ONE and ONLY team that can say with complete truth that we are Pats-hate proof. Really…we actually benefit from you cheating til the cows come home. Makes our wins look more impressive.

  88. vancouversportsbro says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:24 PM

    They probably found a picture of Edelman and Brady in bed together.

    ————————————————–

    Sports Ho’s wet dream…Go Bruins!!!!!!!!!!

  89. If you believe, as the NFL and Jets say, that the sweep of the Jets locker room at Gillette was random, than you probably also would believe that the 18-minute gap in the Nixon tapes was an accident caused by his secretary, Rosemary Woods.

    The apologists for the NFL (and the Jets) are out in force acting as if a denial makes something true. I guess that also means President Clinton really didn’t have sexual relations with Miss Lewinsky. Of course, even Bill admits he was parsing the language to deny the real truth but Goodell can’t even admit that much.

  90. This week after the NFL’S appeal was in the news, both this site & CBS football stated that if air had been removed from the footballs during the AFC game the PSI levels would have been 10 or under, which they were not. Both were careful to say “alleged tampering”. This Makes me think that once a law suit is filed for defamation, since in fact there was no tampering , neither NBC or CBS will be involved.
    ESPN & the NFL on the other hand watch out.
    Physics proves there was NO TAMPERING!!

  91. tonebones says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:28 PM

    The Patriots have earned the right to be suspected of cheating. They’ve been caught numerous times, and it’s very, very rare that criminals get away with the crime more often than they’re caught.
    ——————————————————–
    Please do tell when these numerous times were. You mean taping from the wrong spot? Or footballs that were deflated due to the cold?
    Or are you talking about the Colts who purposely LOST games to get Luck or who piped in noise ?
    Physics proves there was NO TAMPERING!

  92. So why are they playing so well now, even though they can’t cheat anymore? Slightly underinflated balls are probably a hindrance anyway, an incredibly minor hindrance, but harder go throw the long ball, tougher to grip when wet.

  93. tonebones says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:28 PM

    The Patriots have earned the right to be suspected of cheating. They’ve been caught numerous times, and it’s very, very rare that criminals get away with the crime more often than they’re caught.
    ————————–

    They got caught breaking the rules once, back in 2007. Everyone outside of the league office and mental hospitals knows that *Framegate had nothing to due with any cheating, so that one is out.

    So, going by your second sentence, they have only “cheated” once, even though legally filming signals from the wrong location wasn’t really cheating.

  94. FACTS:
    1. Patriot’s record last 24 games: Won 22 .. Lost 2.

    2. Since the end of the first half of FrameGate, Brady 26 Touchdows, 3 Interceptions.

    3. Fumbles since FrameGate: research it, non-Patriots’ fans will be disappointed.

    Guaranteed, a future best selling movie forthcoming for FrameGate.

  95. Justintuckrule-
    You won two games against us by a hair. Worked hard, got great coaching, good job, you deseved the wins. You made pats play poorly.
    There is zero proof the Pats have ever cheated. Filming from the wrong spot? Slightly underinflated balls? These are incredibly minor infractions, for which no advantage was gained. How could you possibly benefit from a slightly underinflated ball? And why are they playing well now? Your argument is based on emotion not common sense.

  96. You Pats’ fans just don’t get it. The Pats may be as clean as a whistle since spygate (quit minimizing it as ‘taping from the wrong location’ – you’re making yourselves sound silly). It’s the perception. Sometimes, perception is worse than reality. Until the perception is exterminated, no real football fans can respect your team’s wonderful accomplishments. It’s a shame really.

  97. mmack66: Brady got caught deflating footballs. They got fined and lost a draft pick. That’s huge. I think Brady is awesome. But he got caught cheating. I personally think 100% of the Patriots’ success over the years is because of Brady. Belichick is just along for the ride. I’m just having fun. You Patriots’ supporters should be enjoying this ride. Many seem pretty bitter, if this website is any indication.

  98. .
    @justintuckfool

    The Patriots play the Giants in two weeks. We’ll see if your claim that the Patriots have ” No Chance” to even compete with them holds water.
    .

  99. “There is zero proof the Pats have ever cheated. Filming from the wrong spot? Slightly underinflated balls? These are incredibly minor infractions, for which no advantage was gained. ”

    nfl123 – then why do it??? That makes this whole sordid affair all the more sad. Here you have the greatest HC/QB combo in NFL history and they have completely blown their reputation for what? It’s like if Alex Rodriguez went and hit .340 with 50 hrs and 140 rbis this year after his suspension (he had a great year all things considered). Does this prove he could have done the same thing all those years he was juicing? maybe, maybe not. The point is…why do it then?

    It’s the perception that cheating helped them win. They beat the Rams by a FG and Marshall Faulk said the Pats knew what was coming all game. That’s game, set, match as far as I’m concerned. If I’m Kraft, I burn it to the ground just to reclaim my own integrity back. That’s just me. I realize I’m in the extreme minority on this viewpoint.

  100. Tonebones-Brady did NOT get caught deflating footballs. NFL thinks he deflated balls, without any evidence. At any rate, balls were so slightly underinflated that no one noticed. And how would it benefit them anyway?An overinflated ball makes long passes more accurate, and, according to Joe Theisman, an underinflated ball is slipperier when wet. Pats should have gotten the $25k fine as the rule book suggests.

  101. After he retired former NFL pro bowl QB Jeff Blake, who played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals, Eagles and Bears admitted during a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he ordered ball boys to let the air out of his footballs just before the game throughout his NFL career. He played from 1992 to 2005.

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    The NFL never investigated any of these teams. They never fined any of these teams. They never penalized any of them either financially or by removing draft picks. No one in the sports news media has mentioned this once during deflategate.

    Here we have 7 teams, including, ironically, the Ravens, who are 100% known to have deflated balls and the league didn’t care one damn bit. Tell me haters, outside of the fact Brady didn’t do it, even if he had why is it suddenly a capital offense ? How many of you are fans of those 7 teams listed above that Blake admitted having balls deflated for ?

  102. Justintuckrule-
    There is zero evidence Pats even committed a minor infraction regarding the win over the Rams. Rams thought they were invincible, but we outolayed them thay day. We beat the Rams, like Giants beat Pats.

  103. “he Pats may be as clean as a whistle since spygate (quit minimizing it as ‘taping from the wrong location’ – you’re making yourselves sound silly).”

    Actually the one who sound silly is you. Stealing signals is not and has never been illegal in the NFL. All teams do it until this day. It was only made illegal to tape from the sidelines in the 2006 off season and the Pats violated that rule once, the very first game of the 2007 season.

    Coaches are paid millions by the teams in part to mange the huge information flow and databases of other coaches, signals, tendencies, plays, alignments, formations, personnel and everything else.

    Why do you think to this day coaches hide their mouths when they are discussing play calls and calling in plays holding the big play cards over their faces ?

    Yes, the camera was out of position for part of one game. But in case you don’t know this, there’s this camera technology called a zoom lens. The Pats could have had the camera in another place in the venue, been entirely legal and gotten the exact same information. The same information clearly visible to the 80k people or so in the stadium.

    Now maybe you think gathering info on the other teams is somehow cheating. Its not. Here’s what I see –

    Hard work, innovation and success used to be respected in this country. Its well known the Pats work harder than any other team, as noted by numerous players who were with other teams before or after their time with the Pats. Its lazy, self entitled, politically correct whiners who are incapable and/or too lazy to do the hard work and want everything in life handed to them that somehow now consider hard work and innovation “cheating”.

  104. bush1069 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:49 PM
    Once a cheater always a cheater…once a lair always a lair
    _________________________________________

    “Lair”??? And you even repeated it to make your point. The word is “liar” and you’re wrong there as well. Did you even get a “Participation” ribbon when you dropped out after sixth grade???

  105. Perception is irrelevant. Throwing out random accusations like headset issues, taping walkthroughs, bugging- these are all just completely made up. Myths. Remember how the initial report said 11 of 12 balls were 2 pounds under? Remember that report that said Pats had “impossibly low” fumble stats? Both turned out to be false, but that’s what you believe because that’s what you want to believe.

  106. And why not? EVERYONE knows how the Patriots like to cheat. Everyone except patsie fans who remain in denial.

  107. When they came for Sean Payton and the Saints I said nothing.
    But at least I was wallowing in schadenfreude like you idiots that don’t care about fairness or integrity as long as the big dog is being kicked.

  108. Alex Rodriguez?Thank god Sox didn’t sign him; cheating loser. His arm chop against the Sox is the lamest play I’ve ever seen in baseball.

  109. Tonesbones ones : you just don’t get it ! There is Absolutely NO evidence there was any tampering! NONE! The NFL itself admitted there was no evidence, or did you miss that!

  110. All you have to do is run an IP search on these fools.

    justintuckrule posts under many different names

    justintuckrule
    bigsausagepizza
    realitycheckbaby
    tonesbones
    helmetcatch
    vancouversportsbro

    All the same person.

  111. Of course it wasn’t random.

    The NFL FO lied on just about everything in deflategate why would anyone believe them now?

  112. peaking for myself…. if Coughlin ran a spygate system (which by recent reports was MUCH more than just taping the Rams and Jets once in awhile), jammed headset frequencies, etc., I woudn’t root for the Giants no matter how much they won until Mara purged the hovering cloud “are these wins legit?”
    ===
    Nobody jammed headset frequencies. The failure mode (overlay, not cutout) indicates that the rouge signal was introduced while the signal was analog and unencrypted. The headsets are all digital and encrypted. Jamming them would have caused them to cut out. It was a bad ground or inadvertent EMI in the booth.

  113. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:33 PM

    The luckiest thing that the Pats have going for them is that Goodell and the NFL are so grossly incompetent that Pats fans can actually justify that the Pats are simply a ‘victim’ and have never done anything wrong. It gives them plausible deniability.

    Speaking for myself…. if Coughlin ran a spygate system (which by recent reports was MUCH more than just taping the Rams and Jets once in awhile), jammed headset frequencies, etc., I woudn’t root for the Giants no matter how much they won until Mara purged the hovering cloud “are these wins legit?” I couldn’t take pleasure in their success with even the prospect of that hovering over the team. If I was Kraft, I wouldn’t even walk down the street of a non-New England town simply because I know that the person looking at me thinks I’m a cheat.

    The stench of cheat doesn’t go away until the root cause is exterminated. Sorry NE fans. I’ve got plenty of family in Mass that live and die NE and they know deep down that I’m right. All the Goodell missteps don’t change the perception. Again…you CAN’T call me a hater. Sorry. I’m a fan of the ONE and ONLY team that can say with complete truth that we are Pats-hate proof. Really…we actually benefit from you cheating til the cows come home. Makes our wins look more impressive.
    ______________________________
    I guess you missed the story where Bill Parcells admitted they opened the stadium doors to have the wind effect the kicking game of opponents? Typical self righteous hypocrite. Then again, Bellichick was your D coodinator so who did he learn his tricks from?
    You haters are better at making up stuff on the patriot’s than Mike Kensil and ESPN combined. I hope the Patriot’s don’t pay rent to be in your weak minded heads.

  114. Stealing signals is legal, maroon. Taping signals is legal, if you do it from a covered location.

    Why do you think coordinators cover their mouths?

  115. It’s so AWESOME to be a Patriots fan…the team is so good for so long it’s been in creadible to witness & enjoy…. & what’s so amaizing is it’s not gonna end any time soon….life is GOOOOOOOOD!!!
    Go Pats!!!

  116. Nobody actually believes the NFL here, do they? The NFL under Goodell has shown a casual disregard for the truth, through the the Saints investigation, the Ray Rice case, and pretty much the whole time during “DeflateGate”. They put out whatever story they think makes them look best, and count on a pliant media to never hold them accountable.

    Jeff Howe at the Boston Herald is reporting that the search was, indeed, in response to a complaint on the part of the Jets. Hey – the NFL taking the Jets’ side again. Gee, what are the odds?

    Let’s not forget the incident in 2014 when the Jets told the officials to keep their eyes out for a certain kind of blocking penalty on special teams. The Pats were thus penalized while contesting a Jets’ FG attempt. Sounds OK, right? Except that the officials ignored it when the Jets committed exactly the same penalty earlier in the game.

    Apparently you can make up any ludicrous story and have the NFL take it seriously, as long as it’s about the Patriots. It’s about the Jets? Well, who cares. When somebody on the Jets’ sideline was found tampering with kicking balls, the league ignored it. They didn’t conclude that it was a several-year long conspiracy, nor did they conclude that players must have been involved.

    The obvious preferential treatment would be laughable if it were not so corrupt.

  117. “They beat the Rams by a FG and Marshall Faulk said the Pats knew what was coming all game. That’s game, set, match as far as I’m concerned.”

    Apparently the fact that Marshall Faulk is a sore loser is now considered serious evidence.

    That’s not “game, set, match”. It’s a foot fault.

  118. It’s now being reported that 3 Pats employees were detained, interrogated, had to give up their cell phones and continually harassed the rest of the game by some shadowy NFL security officer in response to a complaint filed by the Jets. Nothing was found, shocker. The NFL says this is standard operating procedure?! Are you freakin kidding me?! Liars!! The witch hunt continues.

  119. Are we to assume the NFL was too busy with “random bug checks” to deliver on their intent to PUBLICIZE ball pressures in various locations and climate conditions?! I’m 60 = probably won’t live long enough to hear that information!

  120. This team gets more and more fuel every week, it’s like continuously teasing a pitbull on a chain, then letting it loose to take out its anger on a lowly German Shepard once a week.

    New England is going 18-0. No doubt in my mind. Not even my giants are stopping them this time.

  121. Your comments like your life are just plain old…

    The Bruins handed your team their hats and kicked them to the curb…You’re just another jealous hater who can’t stand to see greatness at it’s best…

    I watched the ‘Phins get manhandled last night…

    P.S. I live in Hollywood, Florida…At least I have my eyes open!

  122. stevegrogannakedbootleg says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:08 PM
    How long till the officials turn on the Pats ?
    ———————-
    They already have, there were at least 3 blatant pass interference calls that weren’t made. Gronkowski, and LaFell were murdered on two long balls right in front of the officials with no call.

  123. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:12 PM

    It’s the perception that cheating helped them win. They beat the Rams by a FG and Marshall Faulk said the Pats knew what was coming all game. That’s game, set, match as far as I’m concerned.
    ——————————-

    So, the Patriots knew what was coming all game, yet they only won by a field goal? Did the Rams also know what was coming all game?

    Do you haters even stop to think how dumb you sound?

  124. eraserhead00 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:27 PM

    Well as everyone knows it is a Fact the Pats have been bugging the visitors locker rooms for years. Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, and Mike Vanderjagt all testified to this. It’s just another forgotten story that keeps getting covered up. What about Tom Brady testing positive for steroids? We don’t hear that anymore either. It’s disgusting
    ________________________________
    What a great ID. Fits you to a T, “eraserhead.”

    But, if you have proof of your statement, you should be going to 345 Park Avenue, NY, NY.
    You have obviously solved this case.

    I can’t even type what I want to say to a moron like you…

  125. demons87 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:37 PM

    Why is this the first time, amid all the allegations that the NFL is mentioning that they do regular and random sweeps. That should have been part of the ESPN and SI stories. If the NFL regularly sweeps, why would the teams feel a need to sweep themselves?

    What other things do they do to ensure the integrity of the game? That would go a long way to the NFL fans getting a feeling that the NFL is actually interested in the integrity of the game.
    _________________________________
    Check out the earlier story where NE ASKED the NFL to sweep the locker room…The NFL refused!

    I’m not a Pats fan, I’m an admitted anti-NE fan who thought they were guilty when all of this crap started…Still not a NE fan, but I’ll say this…They’re giving the NFL the big F U !

  126. Mo’ Pro Babble says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:53 PM

    I’d like to say unbelievable but it’s not. I expect another attempt at a frame job and I don’t blame the Pats if they demand an NFL sweep every game.

    This is the NFL’s version of heads I win tails you lose. Has anyone ever heard of sweeping for bugs? The latest in a never ending series of lies. Yet there are still residents of Haternation. Had I lived there I’d change my screen name and hope no one noticed.
    _________________________________
    Some of us have admitted we were wrong. Others I’ve seen comment here have also seen what this “investigation” was really about!

  127. reports out now that it was the Jets who demanded the sweep as well as other things. # Pats employees detained, questioned, cell phones checked…no wrong doing found

  128. Right after Brady hoists his fifth Lombardi on Feb 7, believe me, the defamation lawsuit is coming. Goodell and Kensil won’t know whether to crap their pants or wind their Rolexes.

  129. Headphone malfunctions that happens everywhere, bugs that don’t exist in the Patriots locker room no matter how many paranoids sweep them, eligible-non- eligible receivers which is legal and now being copied by the whiners, Spygate for location violation which the willfully ignorant insists is for stealing signal which is still being done today because teams can, the Rams video which do not exist and for which stupid journalists already apoligized to the Patriots, and of course the Deflategate, the botched sting operation initiated by the Colts which tampered the ball to frame the Pats. Today another bug sweep which the Jets are probably aware that the ex-Jets in the NFL were doing. The NFL it turns out also interrogated Pats employees for 15 minutes but found nothing wrong. Maybe the NFL heard the employees saying this is bugging me, and immediately accosted them. You know just like ” deflate”. Here’s a new one. Another loony blogger contends that Brady is cheating because he accepts pay much less than the other QB’s therefore the Patriots can afford to pay more players. That’s the loony’s conclusion why the Pats are perennially winning.
    Had enough of Patriots ” cheating”? That’s the Patriots looooong history of cheating according to losers, haters and whiners.

  130. justintuckrule: “I’ve got plenty of family in Mass that live and die NE and they know deep down that I’m right.”

    SURE you do. And maybe Jason Pierre-Paul will join you in your completely faux finger-wagging rant. Oh, wait a minute…

  131. harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:39 PM
    “Once your caught cheating, you are forever branded as a cheater.”

    Then you better look up the history of your own team. Because I have a newsflash for you. All 32 NFL teams have repeatedly been caught doing naughty things the last 20 or 25 years.

    So by your own declaration, your own team is “forever branded as a cheater”

    ———————

    The Patriots are actually in the bottom 10 teams in cheating allegations, coming in with ten accusations. That leaves 22 teams with more cheating issues than the Patriots. The worse offender are the Broncos with 48 accusations. Go ahead…look it up

  132. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:33 PM

    The luckiest thing that the Pats have going for them is that Goodell and the NFL are so grossly incompetent that Pats fans can actually justify that the Pats are simply a ‘victim’ and have never done anything wrong. It gives them plausible deniability.

    Speaking for myself…. if Coughlin ran a spygate system (which by recent reports was MUCH more than just taping the Rams and Jets once in awhile), jammed headset frequencies, etc., I woudn’t root for the Giants no matter how much they won until Mara purged the hovering cloud “are these wins legit?” I couldn’t take pleasure in their success with even the prospect of that hovering over the team. If I was Kraft, I wouldn’t even walk down the street of a non-New England town simply because I know that the person looking at me thinks I’m a cheat.

    The stench of cheat doesn’t go away until the root cause is exterminated. Sorry NE fans. I’ve got plenty of family in Mass that live and die NE and they know deep down that I’m right. All the Goodell missteps don’t change the perception. Again…you CAN’T call me a hater. Sorry. I’m a fan of the ONE and ONLY team that can say with complete truth that we are Pats-hate proof. Really…we actually benefit from you cheating til the cows come home. Makes our wins look more impressive.
    _______________________________

    I read this and I’m still laughing…You Sir/Ms are so misinformed it’s actually sad. IFSFY!

  133. All you have to do is run an IP search on these fools.

    justintuckrule posts under many different names

    justintuckrule
    bigsausagepizza
    realitycheckbaby
    tonesbones
    helmetcatch
    vancouversportsbro

    All the same person.
    __________________________________

    I did the same thing with logical, etc…So less haters, just more screen names…

    I’m glad I work for a living.

  134. toddsuperbowles says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:42 PM

    mkreef says:
    Oct 30, 2015 4:21 PM
    You hate us cause you ain’t us!

    16 11
    Report comment

    Naaah, we hate them because of fans like you…

    1969

  135. harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:36 PM

    “he Pats may be as clean as a whistle since spygate (quit minimizing it as ‘taping from the wrong location’ – you’re making yourselves sound silly).”

    Actually the one who sound silly is you. Stealing signals is not and has never been illegal in the NFL. All teams do it until this day. It was only made illegal to tape from the sidelines in the 2006 off season and the Pats violated that rule once, the very first game of the 2007 season.

    Coaches are paid millions by the teams in part to mange the huge information flow and databases of other coaches, signals, tendencies, plays, alignments, formations, personnel and everything else.

    Why do you think to this day coaches hide their mouths when they are discussing play calls and calling in plays holding the big play cards over their faces ?

    Yes, the camera was out of position for part of one game. But in case you don’t know this, there’s this camera technology called a zoom lens. The Pats could have had the camera in another place in the venue, been entirely legal and gotten the exact same information. The same information clearly visible to the 80k people or so in the stadium.

    Now maybe you think gathering info on the other teams is somehow cheating. Its not. Here’s what I see –

    Hard work, innovation and success used to be respected in this country. Its well known the Pats work harder than any other team, as noted by numerous players who were with other teams before or after their time with the Pats. Its lazy, self entitled, politically correct whiners who are incapable and/or too lazy to do the hard work and want everything in life handed to them that somehow now consider hard work and innovation “cheating”.
    ______________________________

    All of you are wrong…It was not adopted technically as a rule until 2008…The NFL only sent out a MEMO!

  136. After seeing the NFL office troll the Patriots with the infamous “Precision. Strength. Intelligence.” tweet, there can be no doubt they are petty and vindictive enough to plant evidence or do anything else to derail NE.

  137. Brady-Bill-Kraft…..The very BEST at their respective positions….the “Perfect Storm”……a once in a lifetime gathering combining to decimate all that try to oppose them no matter how futile their attempts….345 Park Ave doesn’t stand a chance no matter how low it stoops in it’s attempt to bring the Patriots down….
    And with the 64th pick in the 2016 draft the Patriots select….

  138. That’s your legacy New England…cheating. I won’t remember the championships. I’ll remember spygate, deflategate, bugging locker rooms, and interfering with headsets.

  139. Love how you guys make the jump that since goodell botched deflategate, spygate never happened. Holy crap are you guys in denial. Embarrassing yourselves to untaint your team. I feel bad for you all.

    To the guy saying I post under multiple names, your ip checker story is as believable as the deflator losing weight.

  140. dingusgenius says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:55 PM

    All you have to do is run an IP search on these fools.

    justintuckrule posts under many different names

    justintuckrule
    bigsausagepizza
    realitycheckbaby
    tonesbones
    helmetcatch
    vancouversportsbro

    All the same person.
    ===================================
    I’m shocked that this dude has so much free time – you’d think he’d be busy performing brain surgery or building rockets.

  141. bstngrdn says:
    Oct 30, 2015 7:20 PM
    justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:33 PM
    We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated. Even delusional Pats’ fans have to agree with this proposition.

    Justin, “we” don’t all know anything of the sort and neither do you. Furthermore, “we” certainly don’t have to and don’t agree with your absurd proposition.
    I know this may come as a shock to you, but the reason the Patriot’s have had the success they have has nothing to do with cheating and everything to do with having the best owner, coach. and quarterback in the league.
    And I hate to be the one to tell you but in NE we really don’t care what a NY Giant fan thinks about the team or its fans.
    _________________________________
    Obviously, you do care…lol

  142. Why is this is the first time we hear about these random bug checks? At least the ones sanctioned and carried out by the NFL I call shennanigans here! BS! Spygate was exposed as nothing, but a gross overreaction to a simple, single camera being a few feet away from its designated spot during a part of a single game. Imagine receiving the death penalty for tearing the tag off of your mattress. Deflategate was exposed as a failed, phony, and manufactured sting concocted by the 3 Stooges named Harbaugh, Pagano, and Kensil. It backfired, as ALL evidence proved NE’s innocence. 75% of Indy’s balls were deflated. Indy has a recorded history of deflating balls. Google it. How has Luck been doing with properly inflated balls? How has Brady?

  143. harrisonhits2 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:36 PM
    … Stealing signals is not and has never been illegal in the NFL. All teams do it until this day. It was only made illegal to tape from the sidelines in the 2006 off season and the Pats violated that rule once, the very first game of the 2007 season.
    —————————————————————–
    I’d be very interested to know exactly which rule was changed and the precise nature of that change. And please, don’t cite the 2006 Ray Anderson memo. Rules changes are not made via memos issued from the league offices.

  144. dingusgenius – justintuckrule et al appear to be shills for the site to stir up the flock. I’ve had posts deleted while justintuckrule et al can post anything.

  145. I am confused….

    Please clarify why someone would have a player from another team as their screen name?

    i.e. justintuckrule. Justin Tuck = Raiders, but he claims to be a giants fan. Yes, he played for them in the past, but that was in the past and it isn’t like he was a history making player for them and their storied franchise. He was just a rented player that moved on. Good, even very good, but not great…

    Granted, it is funny watching him/her parade his/her ignorance and lack of unbiased critical thinking skills. The complete lack of credible and well reasoned arguments supporting the repeated claims he/she makes in the face of numerous, substantiated, and verifiable counter arguments comes across like a three year old sticking their fingers in their ears yelling “nanny, nanny, boo, boo… I can’t hear you” over and over again.

    And we wonder why this country has been going downhill…

  146. The NFL is pathetic and very desperate. They will manufacture some type of wrongdoing by the Patriots. Goodell knows that it doesn’t matter what it is, fans of all of the other teams will support him. All while continuing to mask the blunders of NFL HQ (which is actually the NY Jets retirement home) and avoiding the issue that was about to potentially “Cripple” the NFL, the health and concussion of players issue.

    If the NYJFL HQ continues this embarrassing project, I’m done with pro football. As is, I only watch full playoff games and the Superbowl beyond the Redzone channel. If you want to watch 2 hours of Viagra, Fanduel, and Draftkings commercials to watch an hour of regular season football, you are out of your mind.

  147. I love how Giant fans chime in on how squeaky clean their organization is(Justin Tuck Rules) when there dufus quarterback cheated the draft. He gets away with it because hes a Manning and we know the Mannings are the NFL’s Kardashians. Imagine Mariota or Jameis Winston trying to pull the crap Eli and his dad pulled that year. If Tennessee drafts me I’m not playing. If Tampa drafts me I’m not playing. Would never happen, but because Archie is ambassador to the league and Mr. Twelvehead Peyton used to be the face of the league Eli got away with it. You can say the Giants paid in draft picks, but imagine anyone else trying to pull that bullcrap during the draft and being allowed to get away with it. Justin Tuck I don’t how old you are, but I remember a year when your beloved Giants won a Super Bowl and guess who was carried off the field on the players shoulders, yes him, good old Bill Belichick.

  148. This is great, all the jelious haters are so afraid to lose to the Pats they can’t focus on the task at hand.
    Talk about mind contol, BB is truly a master of his craft.
    It doesn’t get better than this. The whole league is baffled by BB’s mastery.

  149. “You hate us cause you ain’t us!”
    ————————–

    Some certainly do.

    You can see also see this phenomenon reflected on the Green Bay Packers board. Especially with Vikings fans.

    This happens to the Patriots too, but there is an added element here that many Pats fans aren’t willing to admit. A lot of people dislike them because of all their cheating scandals and underhanded tactics.

    I like Belichick as a coach, he’s an extremely good one. However my opinion of him began to sour when I noticed how much he was cheating on his injury reports.

    You could almost never tell if a Patriots player was going to play or not because he would put almost everyone under the “questionable” tag. Even if that player was actually probable or doubtful, they’d still be listed as questionable. No other team did that to the extent Belichick did. Not even close.

    In fact, players would be listed as “questionable” for weeks on end, when in reality they should have been listed as doubtful or out. Then suddenly weeks later they would again be listed as questionable and suddenly play that week. Nearly all other teams are actually honest and follow the rules regarding reporting their injured players.

    Former Patriots players even admit this. In fact, PFT did an article about this a couple years ago called:

    “Spikes, Talib say Patriots File False Injury Reports”

    Anyone who had been paying attention knew they did about a decade before that.

    Then we had Patriots players suddenly flopping to the ground, acting as if they were injured to slow down an opponent’s no huddle offense. One of the most well-noted instances of this was in 2003 when Willie McGinest suddenly flopped to the ground acting as if he had knee injury. He soon returned to the game no worse for wear.

    Last year we also had the Patriots playing underhanded games with eligible and ineligible receivers in formations; something the NFL made illegal this year due to how shady it was.

    Then we of course have the Spygate and Deflategate scandals to add to the mix.

    So if you think all fans dislike the Patriots due to success, you’re ignoring everything else they did to earn that disrespect.

  150. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:04 PM
    You Pats’ fans just don’t get it. The Pats may be as clean as a whistle since spygate (quit minimizing it as ‘taping from the wrong location’ – you’re making yourselves sound silly). It’s the perception. Sometimes, perception is worse than reality. Until the perception is exterminated, no real football fans can respect your team’s wonderful accomplishments. It’s a shame really


    Yes young son, it is about perception. Taping from the wrong location, correct and accurate description. “Spygate” the inaccurate term used by trolls to create the perception that something really really bad happened.

    Thanks for examining the perception. That clears up a lot.

    Now referring to yourself and your multiple personalities as”real football fans”, that’s a perception problem that can never be exterminated.

  151. We all know the Pats cheat and/or stretch the rules beyond what is reasonably contemplated.

    would a citizen of Haternation please explain what “stretching a rule” even means?

  152. bush1069 says:
    Oct 30, 2015 6:49 PM
    Once a cheater always a cheater…once a lair always a lair


    No one has prevon chaeting but you have cinformed that yuo’re a lair, I mena lyr, I meen lire

    and you don’t proof read

  153. Love these Giants fans who think they own the Patriots with 2 very close game victories. Good games and they earned it but there isn’t a more up & down franchise in the league. No consistency.
    The NFL office (which is run by bozos and Jets fans – which are actually one in the same) only focuses on 1 team. If you think your team doesn’t push the limits you are dellusional. No other team could withstand this scrutiny except NE because they are focused and relentless.

    Kill ’em All Tour WK7. Wash up next.

  154. And the results of the bug sweep are?? If the sweep taking place is being leaked out than so should the results. Are the Pats clean or dirty? As a season tickholder to another AFC East team, if they are dirty throw some of them out of the league. If they are clean, bury the hatchet and move on.Also, no going to court, men play football. Rather concentrate on how to beat them on the field, means more!!

  155. Guess all you pats media cartel better find a place to stand, the iceberg is melting quickly with all the hot lamps. Are there enough lifeboats

    Bahaaaaaaaaa 🙂

    #stilllookingforacceptance

    NEfarious reaps what they sow.

    #forevercheaters

    #blutarskybowlsthemover

    #boycottblueshirtandwhitecollar

    #myracomesbackhaunting

    #asterisksoftaint

    #irscomingforportnoy

  156. What’s interesting here is the NFL’s manipulation of the media.

    1. Run a sweep for bugs of the Jets locker room the week before you file the appeal of Berman’s ruling against them.

    2. File appeal.

    3. Once media outlets start criticizing you hanging on to this leak the story that you swept the Jets locker room at Gillette for bugs.

    It’s so orchestrated it’s not even funny anymore.

  157. Baltimore will now plant bugs in their own locker room and have the NFL ‘find’ them. Needless to say, the Patriots will get the blame.

  158. The NFL (kensil) creates an issue to add to the false culture of cheating mantra that the haters believe and as usual people bite the poisonous apple of hate.

    The list of what has been proven to be false cheating grows and grows but the haters continue to believe the culture of cheating as gospel.

    Fans from Indy, Pittsburg, Miami, NY, want to believe these stories and they do as they do they give their own team passes as to why they can’t win.

    Delusional fools

  159. So he should value his team being an embarrassment over winning, like the owners of the Colts, Texans, Browns or 49ers?

    Why would a successful owner do that?
    _________________________
    It seems like Jerry Jones’s personal reputation and recent embrace of Greg Hardy should qualify him for this list too.

  160. I’m sorry that the TRUTH has forced you to call me names, accuse me of multiple screen names, question my screen name and make whatever other ridiculous non-football and utterly false statements to justify your MANUFACTURED belief that the pats are the cleanest team that has ever stepped foot on the gridiron. You sound like birthers.

    Nobody outside NE respects the pats. You’ve been caught committing shenanigans over and over. While you have successfully brainwashed yourselves into believing in Santa Claus, reasonable minded fans know.

    I’m sorry you have to endure this. Don’t you think we’d all prefer to talk about football than this crap over and over? The only way your team and owner can reclaim integrity is by purging itself.

  161. Captain Roger Ahab Goodell speaks:

    “Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!”

    Like Mody Dick, Goodell, along with his motley crew “made up of mongrel renegades, and castaways, and cannibals – morally enfeebled also, by the incompetence of mere unaided virtue or right-mindedness in Starbuck” will be dragged to their doom by the object of their obsession.

  162. There’s 2 camps of course, the “everyone just knows the Pats are guilty of everything” crowd (ridiculous–you don’t), and the “Pats unequivocally did nothing, ever” crowd (also ridiculous)

    Most likely, like anything, there’s a reality somewhere in the middle.

    Where I believe it lies, is that Belichick has constantly lived on the edge of what is allowable to do, and this ties in with his meticulous nature. He and Brady are no doubt great in a legendary way.

    I believe Brady likes the balls at the low end of legal, and had people make sure of that.

    On both, I say “good”. I also say “so what?”

  163. dingusgenius says:
    Oct 30, 2015 8:55 PM

    All you have to do is run an IP search on these fools.

    justintuckrule posts under many different names

    justintuckrule
    bigsausagepizza
    realitycheckbaby
    tonesbones
    helmetcatch
    vancouversportsbro

    All the same person.
    ==================

    In your head much?

    LOL

    Kraft admitted serial cheating.

    And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500

  164. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 31, 2015 10:05 AM
    I’m sorry that the TRUTH has forced you to call me names, accuse me of multiple screen names, question my screen name and make whatever other ridiculous non-football and utterly false statements to justify your MANUFACTURED belief that the pats are the cleanest team that has ever stepped foot on the gridiron. You sound like birthers.


    And you sound like a 911 truther.

    Well, what did you expect? You’ve spent nearly a year supporting if not manufacturing false claims. But now you don’t like it?

    Sorry bunkie, that’s how you & your’s decided we should roll. Save your faux outrage for someone else.

    All pats fans would like would be answers to a few simple questions that are directly related to framegate, such as, why did the Colts, the NFL and national media jump on the D’Qwell Jackson lie and why have you never come clean that your whole case is based on a lie? Why the Colts had 75% of their tested ball show up under inflated yet they suffered no repercussions?

    Those are 2 easy answers, if you’re telling the truth that is.

  165. “In your head much?

    LOL

    Kraft admitted serial cheating.

    And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500”

    You post under multiple names, constantly. And have been having a mental breakdown over the Patriots going on 11 months now. You are obsessed. The Patriots live in your head. Permanently.

  166. melikefootball says:
    Oct 31, 2015 10:33 AM

    What it shows is the trust factor for the Pats. Not very good.
    ———————————–

    What is actually shows is a petty and vindictive league office purposefully trying to discredit the Patriots organization.

    There’s no other logical reason that all of this BS is being leaked by the NFL.

    All you need to do is read the email exchange between Pash and the Patriots lawyer, when the Patriots were trying to get the NFL to retract the false information that they had leaked about the air pressure in the footballs, to know the truth.

  167. bvolke says:
    Oct 30, 2015 11:46 PM
    That’s your legacy New England…cheating. I won’t remember the championships. I’ll remember spygate, deflategate, bugging locker rooms, and interfering with headsets.

    Oh no! Now I’ll never get any sleep!

  168. Last year we also had the Patriots playing underhanded games with eligible and ineligible receivers in formations; something the NFL made illegal this year due to how shady it was.


    No, they changed the rules since only one team was smart enough to figure out how to legally run this play. We’ve seem teams try to work with the new dumbed down version and fail miserably.

    It wasn’t underhanded, it was 100% legal. Probably hated A students or called them “teachers pets” to bolster your pathetic sense of self worth.

  169. realitycheckbaby says:
    Oct 31, 2015 10:54 AM

    And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500
    ————————————

    Why do you guys keep harping on this like it is a negative for the Patriots?

    All they can do is play the teams on their schedule. It isn’t their fault that most of them suck.

    Are you the bozo that thought the Patriots picked their own schedule, like a college team?

  170. With the new security measures recently deployed league wide the NFL sweeps around 1,000,000 people entering stadiums every weekend. They have detectors for metal, explosives and contraband. Each and every patron is checked.

    They can’t sweep 16 locker rooms a week?

  171. Justintuck: you still don’t get it! Both CBS & this site have said again this week , IF air was removed from the balls the PSI levels would have been 10 or less which they weren’t!!
    What is your explanation for all of the lies the NFL told? The biggest one being the erroneous PSI levels? Followed by the lies regarding Tom’s testimony, who wanted the appeal sealed, Tom’s phone ( which wells said he didn’t need), Tom’s cooperation which wells said was “totally cooperative, ” and the independence of the wells report.
    Not to mention the NFL violated Federal Law! How do you justify all that??

  172. The Boston Herald reported the following last night:

    “In the second quarter, an NFL employee identified himself to three Patriots employees, two full-time and one part time, and “interrogated” them, according to the source. The NFL employee said the reason for the questioning stemmed from a complaint filed by the Jets, who demanded to know whether the radio frequencies and stadium operations were performed up to an appropriate standard.

    The NFL employee took photographs of each Patriots employee and their identification badges, demanded to check their cell phones and also checked their radios to ensure they were operating through the proper channels. The NFL employee also said they already swept the visiting locker room for bugs.

    After the questioning, which lasted about 15 minutes, the NFL employee continued to hover over the three Patriots employees until the third quarter, when a stadium operations manager told the NFL employee to route all further inquiries through Patriots and Gillette Stadium management.”

    The NFL, ONCE AGAIN, lying.

    The Jets lying as well.

    Amazing.

  173. dingusgenius says:
    Oct 31, 2015 11:01 AM

    “In your head much?

    LOL

    Kraft admitted serial cheating.

    And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500”

    You post under multiple names, constantly. And have been having a mental breakdown over the Patriots going on 11 months now. You are obsessed. The Patriots live in your head. Permanently.
    ======
    That’s why you’re writing multiple posts about me.

    LOL

    And, Nope, just one handle.

  174. mmack66 says:
    Oct 31, 2015 11:12 AM

    realitycheckbaby says:
    Oct 31, 2015 10:54 AM

    And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500
    ————————————

    Why do you guys keep harping on this like it is a negative for the Patriots?

    All they can do is play the teams on their schedule. It isn’t their fault that most of them suck.

    Are you the bozo that thought the Patriots picked their own schedule, like a college team?
    ==========

    You miss the point.

    It’s mocking Pats’ fans who think beating Buffalo = Superbowl.

    LOL

  175. melikefootball says:
    Oct 31, 2015 10:33 AM
    What it shows is the trust factor for the Pats. Not very good.

    ————-
    I can assure you all teams are paranoid about all their opponents. Or they should be anyway. This is nothing new contrary to what most seem to believe. Do some googling. this same “paranoia” has been around as long as the game itself. Just the world we live in today and the fact the Pats have been so good for so long. Also Goodell wanting to “Clean up” the game. Every major on field “Scandal” on Goodell’s watch involves something that always been part of the game. Every one of them. I dont have to post all the former head coaches that said taping signals was common place. Shouldnt have to tell anyone the Saints didnt invent “bounties” and probably the worst one of them all we had an NFL player nailed for “bullying”.
    The worst part is we have a whole lot of fans of the game making some of these things (like possibly maybe letting .2 PSI out of a ball )to be worthy of the death penalty now so it’s only going to get more and more ridiculous. You’re all pretty much encouraging Goodell to just keep coming up with these “Scandals”(which are great for business btw) and now most are OK with him nailing teams by fabricating facts. Like he did with “bountygate”, “bully gate””deflategate”….Rice…

    anyway, google this: NFL spy stories once had comedic touch

  176. For the poster who said pats fans thought beating buffalo was our super bowl, you are delusional. Having been to 6 with Tom & Bill & winning 4, pats fans NEVER would equate a week 2 win with winning a super bowl.
    It was simply a week 2 win. Nothing less, nothing more.

  177. The NFL office in New York is a rats nest. It is accountable to no one. Currently, the NFL is appealing Judge Berman’s decision in an effort to garner virtual totalitarian control over the players. If that sounds like hyperbole, it is only because what the NFL seeks is so far reaching that they literally want to have an exemption from federal and state law, in particular labor laws. This scandal makes the “Quiz Show” scandals from the 1950s, that wound up being exposed in congressional hearings, look like venial sins. The fact that the NFL is not being called out by the mainstream media is an indictment of the media’s collusion with the NFL and it unwillingness to act as check and balance to NFL power.

  178. Florio, please tell me you are not censoring these posts asking for the NFL to be exposed for what is clearly extraordinary actions on their part against the Patriots while denying those actions publicly.

  179. realitycheckbaby says:
    Oct 31, 2015 11:36 AM

    You miss the point.

    It’s mocking Pats’ fans who think beating Buffalo = Superbowl.

    LOL
    ————————————–

    I probably missed it because you have it backwards.

    Lawl.

  180. I’m sure Pat’s fans can explain this;

    ” Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from. “

  181. Look pats fans… You’re in the heads of 30 other fan bases. NYG is the only one you’re not. Thus, we’re the only fan base that can discuss the pats legacy OBJECTIVELY.

    Fans watch football and root for their teams to win sbs as a source of pride. We love lording our conquests over one another. If a rich man roots for the Eagles and a homeless person roots for Pittsburgh, that’s the one thing in life that the homeless man has over the rich man.

    When nobody respects your conquests because they think and have decent proof that the team won those games with shenanigans, it destroys the fans ability to lord those conquests over their fellow fan. That’s what you all fear the most no matter what explanations you can manufacture to argue your legitimacy. It sucks. I get it. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. This is why I say that, if it were my team, I’d rather my owner burn it to the ground so that once my team rose from the ashes and started winning again, I can lord those conquests over my fellow fan. Until you do, you can win the next 10 sbs and nobody but you will honor them. Sorry. Call me a hater troll to make yourself feel better but that’s the fact.

  182. justintuckrule says:
    Oct 31, 2015 12:34 PM

    Look pats fans… You’re in the heads of 30 other fan bases. NYG is the only one you’re not. Thus, we’re the only fan base that can discuss the pats legacy OBJECTIVELY.

    Fans watch football and root for their teams to win sbs as a source of pride. We love lording our conquests over one another. If a rich man roots for the Eagles and a homeless person roots for Pittsburgh, that’s the one thing in life that the homeless man has over the rich man.

    When nobody respects your conquests because they think and have decent proof that the team won those games with shenanigans, it destroys the fans ability to lord those conquests over their fellow fan. That’s what you all fear the most no matter what explanations you can manufacture to argue your legitimacy. It sucks. I get it. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. This is why I say that, if it were my team, I’d rather my owner burn it to the ground so that once my team rose from the ashes and started winning again, I can lord those conquests over my fellow fan. Until you do, you can win the next 10 sbs and nobody but you will honor them. Sorry. Call me a hater troll to make yourself feel better but that’s the fact.
    ———————————

    No one but you and your multiple personalities gives a damn what you have to say.

    The Patriots are one of the greatest organizations in football, and everyone but a few delusional bozos knows it and appreciates it.

  183. I’m sure Pat’s fans can explain this;

    ” Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from. “
    ____________________________

    Assuming it’s true there are many ways to crack audible codes that are perfectly within NFL rules. It’s not like it takes a Manhattan Project effort. The Pats coaches are good. To think they can’t legitimately figure out what the other team is doing is folly.

  184. Justintuck, this is your opinion. You say you “think and have” decent proof of impropriety, but you and no one else does. This has been admitted by the NFL in federal court.

    Secondly, any rational person that thinks all it takes to win multiple Super Bowls is PSI subtleties and the like are flat out insane.

    Out of the only “well, everyone just knows” crowd, real football fans “just know” that the Patriots had legitimate multiple Super Bowl winning teams. Trust me, we feel just fine about it because we know greatness when we see it.

  185. bluemidgets says:
    Oct 31, 2015 12:22 PM

    I’m sure Pat’s fans can explain this;

    ” Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from. “
    ——————————-

    We can explain it to you, but we can’t understand it for you.

  186. “And the teams Pats have played are a combined 6 games under .500”

    And the Patriots have won 7 games, right?

    Meaning that the Patriots are THE REASON they’re below .500….

  187. “No, they changed the rules since only one team was smart enough to figure out how to legally run this play.”
    —————-

    False. Belichick took advantage of a loophole by having a player wearing an eligible number report as ineligible and line up in the slot. Then, a player who appeared to be ineligible was actually eligible.

    And this was done on an integral drive in the Patriots narrow win over the Ravens. If the Ravens had been shady enough to participate in such underhanded tactics, they probably would have been the victor.

    Just another example of the treachery coming from New England that the NFL had to put a stop to this year.

  188. revelation123 says:
    Oct 31, 2015 4:32 PM
    “No, they changed the rules since only one team was smart enough to figure out how to legally run this play.”
    —————-

    False. Belichick took advantage of a loophole by having a player wearing an eligible number report as ineligible and line up in the slot. Then, a player who appeared to be ineligible was actually eligible.

    Makes as much sense as saying right on red is a loophole.

    I’ll do this slow, it was legal. If it wasn’t do you think the NFL would be sitting on it’s hands after what we’ve seen for the last year?

    Repeating stupidity makes it no less so.

  189. bluemidgets says:
    Oct 31, 2015 12:22 PM

    I’m sure Pat’s fans can explain this;

    ” Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from

    here’s the part you left out,

    from 10 years ago.

    Johnson was ”just interviewed on Sportscenter ‘and said he does not want to make it sound as though he thinks the Patriots spied to receive the audibles. He was asked if he ever saw any videotapes of opposing coaches and responded, “Absolutely not. Never.”

    Johnson said he was just as surprised as anyone to hear the allegations of cheating. Also he said while he was a little suspicious on how the coaches received the audibles, there could be many explanations beyond illegally videotaping.

    “Once the spit is flying out there on the field, I’m not thinking too much about audibles,” Johnson said.

  190. “The Boston Herald reported the following last night:

    “In the second quarter, an NFL employee identified himself to three Patriots employees, two full-time and one part time, and “interrogated” them, according to the source. The NFL employee said the reason for the questioning stemmed from a complaint filed by the Jets, who demanded to know whether the radio frequencies and stadium operations were performed up to an appropriate standard.

    The NFL employee took photographs of each Patriots employee and their identification badges, demanded to check their cell phones and also checked their radios to ensure they were operating through the proper channels. The NFL employee also said they already swept the visiting locker room for bugs.

    After the questioning, which lasted about 15 minutes, the NFL employee continued to hover over the three Patriots employees until the third quarter, when a stadium operations manager told the NFL employee to route all further inquiries through Patriots and Gillette Stadium management.”

    Well this also explains why it was a close game. Had to put a hiccup into the inter channel communications.

  191. lol, now these guys are harping on audible signals. Holy crap. Have any of you ever played football?

    Let me clue you in to something. Teams, at pretty much every level (high school to the NFL) watch game tape. Lots of game tape in preparation for each week’s game. Audible signals, done by hand, are observed and noted. Obviously. If any team is stupid enough to not change their signals then that is on them. They might as well say “hey! defense! we’re running a screen to the left!” at the line of scrimmage.

    It is beyond hilarious that you people have such little understanding of the game of football. It is even more hilarious that you think the Patriots are the only team in the history of sports to exploit the stupidity of their opponents.

  192. “Well this also explains why it was a close game. Had to put a hiccup into the inter channel communications.”

    Delusional paranoia that is unfounded?

    You seem like a real smart guy.

  193. Let me get this straight.

    A cornerback watches game film and notice that when the QB looks at the WR at the line of scrimmage and tugs his facemask that the WR runs a slant.

    You people think the cornerback, who saw this on film, should just lay down on the field and not jump the slant route because that just wouldn’t be fair? Or should he be a smart football player and jump the route?

  194. “It was seven years ago that Jets security confiscated a sideline camera and tape from a Patriots video assistant during their Sept. 9 game at the Meadowlands.

    The spying was a blatant violation of league rules, since knowing what an opponent will do on any given play confers an ­immense advantage to a team.

    As 49ers quarterback Steve Young once explained to ESPN: “The game would be over. If I knew what was coming, that’s the whole game.”

    It was Jets head coach Eric Mangini, a former Pats defensive coordinator, who dropped a dime to NFL security about the sideline shenanigans of his former mentor, New England head coach Bill Belichick.

    Mangini already had prepared an elaborate system to foil his former team.

    “He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots” the previous year, a former Pats employee told Sports Illustrated.

    But that meant extra work — that both teams were not playing on the same level field, the ex-staffer noted.

    “I wasn’t going to give them the convenience of doing it in our stadium, and I wanted to shut it down,” Mangini said on “NFL Live,” adding that he later regretted doing it. “There was no intent to have the landslide that it has become.”

    The filming was fairly straightforward — a staffer pointed a camera at an opposing team’s coaches from across the field. And it had gone on for nearly a decade — since Belichick took over the Pats in 2000, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell later revealed.

    It was so obvious, the Pats were busted several times before Spygate erupted, including a year earlier, during a 35-0 thrashing of Green Bay.

    The Packers spotted Pats video assistant Matt Estrella — who was also shooting the video during the Jets game the next season — shooting unauthorized video from the sidelines. He was asked to leave — then was spotted doing it from a tunnel, which got him booted from Lambeau Field.

    “From what I can remember, he had quite a fit when we took him out,” Packers President Bob Harlan said.

    When the Lions played the Pats in Foxboro in 2006, the same thing happened, Sports ­Illustrated reported.

    “ ‘There’s a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?’ a Lions employee asked in a call to the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again,” the magazine reported at the time.

    – The New York Post, Spygate: The NFL Cover-Up That Started it all

    And that’s not even to mention the Patriots cheating on their injury reports, which was later admitted by former Patriots players.

    BTW let me know when you can address members of the Patriots defense flopping to the ground when opponents are running a hurry up offense. Oh, but it’s legal to fake an injury! That makes it ok, right?

    No, what it means is the Pats know they’re not good enough to win without it.

  195. Normally no because this site coddles Pathetis fans. This is a rare instance. Consider yourself lucky.

  196. “Normally no because this site coddles Pathetis fans. This is a rare instance. Consider yourself lucky.”

    Just another example of how delusional you are.

  197. I have seen the deletions (mine) and the stacks of Pathetics comments stack like excrement. It is a very common occurrence. Not to hard to figure out. This is very rare indeed. And this might soon turn into a one sided affair with only your pro Pathetics comments shining threw. Which would make you look even more delusional than you already are.

  198. fanofpft says:
    Oct 31, 2015 6:19 PM
    I have seen the deletions (mine) and the stacks of Pathetics comments stack like excrement. It is a very common occurrence. Not to hard to figure out. This is very rare indeed. And this might soon turn into a one sided affair with only your pro Pathetics comments shining threw. Which would make you look even more delusional than you already are.

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    Please continue with your delusions

  199. You are so pathetic that you can’t even come up wth your own comments. You have to latch onto what I’m telling you about yourself. Does it make you feel better?

  200. Ok for those that accuse the Pats. Accusations do not mean fact. They are but the start. One accuses then one must prove said accusations are true. The one and only truth is the Pats did cheat in 07. They were caught and dealt with. Unless you have proof please stop wasting time with allegations against the pats. I could accuse any team of cheating incl yours. But I’d have to prove it. You see how this works?

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