Was Beckham provoked by anti-gay slurs?

AP

The notion that Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who went after Panthers cornerback Josh Norman repeatedly on Sunday, was provoked by the presence of a baseball bat on the field before the game is laughable. Another potential explanation that emerged on Monday is far more serious.

Ian O’Connor of ESPN.com reported on Monday that Giants players “heard Panthers defensive players direct anti-gay slurs and expletives at Beckham before the game,” which is believed to have set the confrontational tone of the game.

In an appearance with Stephen A. Smith of SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio, Hall of Fame cornerback Deion Sanders corroborated the notion that Panthers players hurled personal insults at Beckham.

“Then you start talking about his hairstyle,” Sanders said. “Then you start talking about his sexuality. So now when you’re talking about things like that of that nature, it goes way off the field into something because now this is personal.”

Flashes of homophobia emerged after the game. Said Panthers cornerback Cortland Finnegan, via Black & Blue Review: “Maybe it’s in his blood. Maybe it’s female-related.” Likewise, Norman called Beckham a “bitch” and a “ballerina.”

“You’re going to be Michael Jackson and go around and dancing and playing and a lot of other stuff and not be a football player and not train the way you’re supposed to train,” Norman said. “It goes to show. I hope I pulled that mask off. I pulled back the face of what that dude really is.”

If guys like Finnegan and Norman are willing to offer up such thinly-veiled assessments of femininity and sexuality when talking publicly about Beckham, would it be a shock to learn they used anti-gay slurs toward Beckham when they thought their words weren’t being recorded?

Given the number of cameras and microphones present on and around a football field before, during, and after a game, the NFL should fully investigate whether and to what extent slurs were directed to Beckham. While it doesn’t begin to excuse Beckham’s behavior, the NFL should want to know if things like this are happening — and the NFL should be taking meaningful steps to eradicate it from the game.

179 responses to “Was Beckham provoked by anti-gay slurs?

  1. It wouldn’t be a shock and it wouldn’t be a big deal either. Doubt it was the first time someone called Beckham an [anti-gay slur]. Lol, if the shoe fits. It certainly doesn’t justify Beckham’s violent hissy-fits.

  2. Oh boo hoo, remember back in the day when men were men? Sticks and stones and all that stuff. Stop this justification of this ego maniacs maniacal behavior. If he doesn’t want the attention maybe he should keep the bleach outta his hair. Bottom line, he likes to give it but he can’t take it.

  3. Maybe… Just maybe….

    Norman called OBJ a bitch because he was acting like one?

    And MAYBE just MAYBE the Diva (Or is that going to be considered a thinly veiled slur?) can’t take responsibility for his actions and is using the Media and the NFL to protect the image of their golden boy?

    I have no clue what Josh said to OBJ, and I am one of the the biggest supporters of LGBT rights, but whatever he said to him worked to get him off his game. And THAT is on OBJ.

    Or you know we can just keep making excuses for the kid and try to pull the look over here game.

  4. …Seriously? It’s a bunch of men in their 20s or early 30s at most, beating the snot out of each other for 3 hours.
    Nasty stuff is said nearly every play. Stop drumming up new theories every few hours to try and explain what is simply nothing more than an immature young player crossing the line by launching himself at someone’s head and not knowing when to stop throwing shots until it was too late.
    This isn’t youth soccer or golf for crying out loud. If the NFL spends more than 8 seconds “investigating” if mean things were said to Beckham then they are an even bigger joke than I ever thought possible.
    Give me a break.

  5. I say all of this just feeds the flames that the DBs and other D-players on teams that will be facing OBJ in the future. If he can’t handle what was thrown at him by the Panthers, just wait until he faces a team that can really trash-talk.
    I remember when the stories came out that some players called Jerry Rice ‘Fifi’ when he had that perm. And it was said he hated it. But it didn’t let that get to him, other than take it out on the other team via a monster performance.

  6. Woah whoa whoa hold the phone… The panthers players can dance around after TDs every time but OBJ does it he’s a Michael Jackson wanna be and b*tch and ballerina? I also think what OBJ did was very uncalled for and deserves the suspension.

  7. So first it was the bats. Now it’s anti-gay slurs. It seems like Beckham’s team is just going to throw out any defense of his actions to see what sticks.

  8. Oh give me a freaking break. Waaaaaaaahh!!! Where are the men and adults anymore. Everyone is a victim of someone else. Good grief! Progressivism and our PC culture has everyone tiptoeing. Might as well take the first amendment away they call us name and make us afraid to speak our minds. What a sissy culture we’ve become. So nauseating and sad. No one has to agree with you but I defend your right to speak your mind!!!

  9. All of OBJ’s whining is a sad ploy to make him look like the victim. He needs to man up, accept the punishment that the refs wouldn’t give him, and move on. He’s just continuing to embarrass himself.

  10. These panthers sure are full of themselves. Pretty crazy for a team that literally has done nothing that anyone will remember. Can they? Sure, but they haven’t yet. What a bunch of selfish and offensive punks.

  11. Is this the same Josh Norman who slapped off Cam Newton’s helmet and took his franchise QB to the ground in training camp 4 months ago… Nah couldn’t be..

  12. You can’t justify trying to give someone else a head injury, but if this were true, it would certainly make OBJ’s behavior a lot easier to understand. It would also lose the Panthers a lot of respect in my eyes.

  13. Maybe he should just say “yeah, call me names all you want, but look what I’m doing to your team on the field” instead of throwing punches and blindsiding his opponents.

    Sticks and stones, OBJ.

  14. Not an excuse for Beckham’s actions all !

    But you do have to wonder if all of the “hot dogging ” and “showboating” that the Panthers do is going to come back to haunt them? Say in the playoffs where they will be facing better teams than the Giants.
    You just do not see championship teams act like that.

  15. Just stop it with this nonsense. Oooh, they may have called him a few nasty names. That gives him justification to ram the crown of his helmet into Norman’s head on a blindside hit? He could have put either Norman or himself in the hospital with that

    Instead of getting angry and getting violent, he could have ignored it, like most mature people would have done, not giving them the satisfaction of knowing they got in his head. He could have gone out to win the game. Instead he opted to melt down and now got himself suspended for a must-win game where his team needs him most. Pathetic on his part, but don’t make excuses for him, especially pathetic ones like they may have called him names. Just stop

  16. putting the toothpaste back into the tube, are we ?

    The refs could have nipped this in the bud pretty easily by kicking out both OBJ & Norman who were trash throughout the game but a NY team’s playoff bid was on the line.

    Also, thankful that Al & Cris will not spend 1/2 hour discussing OBJ’s pre-game routine on Sunday night while the Giants are getting spanked by an opponent, find that remarkable those 2 discuss that instead!

  17. Michael Jackson and go around and dancing and playing and a lot of other stuff and not be a football player and not train the way you’re supposed to train,” Norman said.
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    Wonder if he has that problem with his flamboyant QB?

  18. Really? Does it really matter what was said to Odell? If he’s so thin skinned he can’t take a few comments like that, he quite frankly deserved them

  19. Oh my Wow.

    Unless someone degraded your deceased loved one or said something racial, you really have no business reacting that way, and even then you could beat them on the field like a grown man.

    Giant’s PR team is really trying to earn those paychecks.

  20. How did the Steelers’ OL (Wallace) not get suspended for running full speed after the play and putting a cheap helmet-to-helmet shot right to the head of the Broncos’ Bruton when he was just standing there? Bruton was lucky to escape without a concussion, but Wallace should have been ejected immediately. And if not, he should be suspended from next week’s game. There’s no place for that kind of garbage. The NFL needs to be consistent.

  21. I guess they realized that the bat thing didn’t really make sense. Had to back it with some other reason.

    If anything Beckham should of shown them up with his play so he could say they got beat by an [anti-gay slur]. Making them seem worse, at this point the Giants and OBJ are looking worse and worse the more they try to justify it.

    Not to excuse Normans cheap shots either.

  22. GG, so now we can’t verbally try and get a rise out of players either?

    I’m sorry but taunting and trying to provoke someone is all part of the mental aspect of football. If you can’t handle it then you need quit and take up knitting…

  23. Well this is all nonsense, but I am starting to feel like I’m pulling for the bad guys, lol. C’mon, Norman can be a jack ass, always been that way, but his play can back it up. Can has always been this way too, he has always been brash, ( and he’s always thrown the towel on his head, winning or losing) and I have never seen a football player smiling DURING a play until I saw him do it. Look, I can see why you’d hate them from the outside looking in, but they are actually a class bunch, take my word for it………..I didn’t even make a dent did I?

  24. If you want to call a man out of his name and question his sexuality, don’t cry when he punches you in the face, or head hunts you. Don’t talk the talk if you can’t walk the walk. Can’t cry to the media when you talk a good game, but get punked on the field.

  25. Dude. Its football.

    If you are shocked or offended by this type of language being used on a FOOTBALL FIELD. You clearly have never played a down in your life.

    The number of thumbs down this comment receives will show exactly how many of those people are out there and somehow feel as if they have a voice in this matter.

  26. Goodell has completely lost control of the league. One issue after another becomes a PR fiasco for the league.

    It’s going to be fun to watch the 32 nitwit billionars who let a egomaniacal stuffed suit run their business into the ground lose third fortunes.

  27. Official: ” Personal Foul, Defense, Sticking their tongue out and being a big meany poopiehead. 15 yards and a time out in the corner. I hope you think about what you have done. First down and a special little sticker for the offense. Now play Nice!”

  28. and in other news we as a society have become a bunch of p/c losers .. I thought the 1990’s were bad .. Jeez no wonder the world laughs at us now

  29. The clever response to such dumb taunts would have been to just blow a kiss at them, and said “in your dreams” or told them he was out of their league. To which they’d either give up or just get riled up themselves.

  30. Not at all surprised that fans in the Carolinas have zero issue with their payer calling someone else an anti-gay slur. “Man up” “sticks and stones” etc. The 1950s are calling, they want their intolerance back.

  31. Norman needs to just be quiet at this point.

    But let’s be honest, Beckham was acting like a bitch in the game and isn’t the first player to be called names on a football field before.

    Let’s move on…

  32. The Panthers taking their lead from Braying Donkey Teeth Newton, is the big problem. When he was sucking and Kuechly and Olson were carrying the team he had to keep his dumb yap shut a little more.

  33. blah blsh..beckham does act like a diva and a ballerina, nobody forced him to dye his hair and look like drag queen, the panther held it down and did their thing, espn and deion need to stop hating.

  34. The way the NFL players are wearing their hair these days, I am beginning to wonder how many are GAY! They color their hair pink, wear breads, etc….. That’s what women do!

  35. vikefan284296 says:
    Dec 22, 2015 12:07 AM
    Not saying it’s okay, but guys call guys those things on a regular basis.
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    Not sure what kind of dudes you hang out with, but if any man that could handle a punch taunted me, or any of the other men I know, the way Beckham was, that guy would receive a serious butt kicking and screw the consequences. Anger skews judgement in the heat of the moment. I can relate to what happened to him on Sunday. There’s a lot of people who are in jails that also lost their heads in similar situations. He may be guilty, but it is understandable why he did what he did.

    Can you say you might not have reacted the same? Put his shoes on and think about it.

  36. Wow I didn’t even know players talked to each other like this…I figured most guys just kept their mouth shut and did what they were supposed to do…play football. One guy run a route and another try to defend and whatever happens happens. Boy was I wrong. They talk to each other like 15-year old bullies apparently. Pathetic

  37. Ok, OBJ is suspended. Where are the fines or suspensions on Coughlin, the refs, the dude in NY, etc. ? Lots of people failed to do their jobs here and both players warranted ejection. NFL=money train. With a commish as an engineer, coaches as conducters, certain media bell hops and players as yard workers. And the owners own it all. This is just getting ridiculous

  38. well, his name is O…BJ

    perhaps he should call Jonathan Martin for advice on how a real man should handle these things ….

  39. Defending it and explaining why it happened are two very different things.

    I’m not defending it and Beckham did not handle himself in a professional manner at many times during that game, but I’m fairly certain he doesn’t have a mental illness, so he didn’t act out like that repeatedly for no reason.

    Right, wrong or indifferent, he felt he had to defend himself. He snapped, but he was not the aggressor and there are definitely reasons why it happened time and time again. Shouldn’t the NFL find out why?

    P.S. Does anyone in the NFL dance more than Cam Newton? Just saying’………

  40. I heard Deions interview, they claim that a practice squad player in black approached Beckham with a bat, during pregame and said they were going to end his career; take out his legs etc.. Then of course they were questioning his sexuality throughout the game, and of course looks like it continued after the game… I think Beckham had a right to be upset, but as soon as he launched himself at Normans head, Beckham went too far.. I am still a fan of his, but if Norman was paralyzed or even Beckham for that matter they both would have been regretting this whole episode of crap.. I am for a suspension, I would rather him learn now, while he is still young in a losing season where it looks like we are not going anywhere.

    Also by the way , I think it was Daniel Jeremiah said if you focused strictly on the match up of Beckham and Norman, Beckham had beat Norman 6 times over the top when they were matched up against each other..So in closing Josh Norman sucks, and his whole game looks like is about talking trash.. So if your team signs him as a FA prepare to be disappointed.

  41. You can’t use unpleasant dialogue to minimize Odell’s behavior. Sure words can be harmful and have a negative impact on someone. Blasting off on their head is on a totally different level of wrong.

  42. carloswlassiter says: Dec 22, 2015 12:14 AM
    “Then you start talking about his hairstyle,” Sanders said.
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    Y.A. Tittle is rolling over in his grave.

    ==========================

    Y.A. Tittle is still alive.

  43. Norman and Finnegan took up permanent residency in Beckham’s head for the entire game. Every defensive back will take advantage of this knowledge from here on out throughout Beckham’s career

  44. Look at the tape. Norman teabagged Beckham and Beckham grabbed Norman’s foot. Then he smoked him with the helmet-to-helmet hit. Mystery solved. Watch the tape.

  45. You’re going to be Michael Jackson and go around and dancing and playing and a lot of other stuff and not be a football player and not train the way you’re supposed to train,” Norman said. “It goes to show. I hope I pulled that mask off. I pulled back the face of what that dude really is.”

    There’s a guy on Carolina who does the same thing…he’s being considered for MVP this year. What’s his name again? Is he gay too? Maybe he is. Beckham is just as valuable imo. Beckam clearly won the on field battle beating Norman on the dropped sure-td pass in Q1 and owning him in the 4rth quarter as well. Beckham needs to rise above these lesser talents who resort to name calling to get under his skin.

  46. I agree that he was wrong for his actions. At the end of the day, football is a job though. He was unprofessional but at the same time, no one wants to hear those type of immature comments. It’s ok to trash talk but sometimes you can go to far with it. Everyone has limits and after a while things build up. No one knows every detail only what we saw. We can’t always act high and mighty because I’m sure every person has snapped at someone. If Cam Newton had it out for the guy during training camp, I’m sure is a guy who just doesn’t shut up. Julio Jones is a quiet guy but Norman tried to get under him as well but Julio didn’t get as physical. ODB hears a lot more because of his spotlight at the moment and the stage he’s own and some players target guys like that but sometimes you can have enough, example Finnegan and Andre Johnson.

  47. “provoked by the presence of a baseball bat on the field… Another potential explanation that emerged on Monday is far more serious.”

    Baseball bat? As in the threat of potential violence? Yeah, compared to that, calling someone a poltically incorrect “slur” is far more serious (rolls eyes)…

  48. In all honesty, who cares. Bryant Young, who was a very religious high-character guy, was once ejected for shoving Kyle Turley after he called him the “N” word.

    The niners didn’t act like a bunch of bratty entitled kids the way Beckham’s backers are acting. Somebody started it by pushing the button, but you’ve got to own up to your own actions.

  49. When last I checked that flamboyant QB has never ear holed or punched another player. Personal accountability is the issue here. He has been enabled so long he has no boundaries. Blatant disregard for his own health and the health and well being of a competitor is a sure sign of a loose screw. Man up and move on.

  50. It’ll be more believable if we hear it from someone other than Deion or Ian O’Connor. I can’t think of 2 people I would believe less.

  51. Given how the Panthers players celebrated injuring Sam Bradford’s ACL in 2013, I highly doubt any other allegations made against them are without foundation.

    That said, OBJ was dumb to get drawn in to it and deserves his suspension.

  52. based on the lack of composure when challenged (especially if the words hurt peoples feelings (grow a pair dude)) the league should consider banning baseball bats from the football field

  53. Can’t believe the Giants are hiding behind this, but oh well, “you gotta do what you gotta do” I am a strong advocate for the gay community and if I were them I would be offended with how so many people try to use this platform as an excuse for ridiculous behavior. Odell, man up and do what you do best! Panthers, congratulations on a GREAT win!

  54. allseeingone
    Dec 22, 2015, 12:38 AM EST
    I’m a progressive liberal and consider being called those types of things a compliment.
    _____________________________________________

    I’m a conservative independent and enjoy calling people those types of things.

  55. Not that I condone this kind of language but this sound like a bunch of excuse making by the Giants. Call me crazy but I’m pretty sure this kind of trash talk on the field happens all the time. Josh Norman & Courtland Finnigan are a couple of tools but all OBJ’s actions did was prove them right. Get under his skin & he’ll cry like a little girl.

    The NFL will not investigate this because:
    A) It’s a stupid waste of time & money
    B) It has nothing to do with the Pats

  56. Maybe ESPN can give OB a courage award for being the first NFL player to be suspended for reacting to anti-gay speech directed at him by an opponent. It wouild be one more way for the progressive wing of the sports media to bring politics into the sports realm and change the conversation from the game to a politically correct cause.

  57. Players say stuff about each other and say things about yo momma all the time. Drop a few TDs on them to shut them up. Odell was just the guy to do it too. Instead, they got in his head, which is what they wanted, and it worked. Once Odell focused, he made the Panthers look average. If Odell could have stayed focused the whole game he could have put up a few more TDs, and twice as much yardage.

    Cortland Finnegan is a piece of trash, there is no surprise there, I thought Norman was better than that, but it looks like he is garbage too.

  58. It doesn’t matter which words were used. Beckham couldn’t take it and that’s that. Why bother wondering which word hurt his feelings. What will be gained? What’s next, a complete list of words banned from the field? Words like ballerina. He simply was too immature to play a mans game yesterday as words of all things hurt his precious feelings. Cmon. Move on.
    Suspended, done. Move on. Don’t drag this story into rest of the week please.
    It’s over buddy.

  59. Maybe if Beckham wasn’t caught staring at teammates back sides and hugging up on Trey Songz all the time he wouldn’t be going thru this speculation. If they called him the slur most common referred to I’m sure we all grew up using it doesn’t mean it’s right.

    But Beckham is now just playing victim or should just come out openly as gay. His actions were wrong but I think the public would be more understanding if he admitted the slurs were what caused his behavior being a gay man.

    I don’t think Norman or whom ever needs to be suspended. Probably a fine and a psa like the NBA did Kobe.

  60. I was taught in grammar sticks & stones….

    Why did he react so violently? The things Charles Haley said & did…well read about some of it sometime. What would Odell do with Charles on his back? Norman is a choirboy compared to Charles Haley’s words & ways of getting under others skin.

    OBJ better grow up quick, this isn’t LSU anymore.

  61. angelogiaquinto18 says:
    Dec 22, 2015 12:35 AM

    If this is true then Norman and Finnegan should be suspended for playoff game #1. It’s pretty obvious by their comments this may be valid.
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    Only playoff game #1? Why not for the SB?

  62. He might be a good football player, but all of these BS excuses make him look really small as a man.

  63. It was just reported that before the game an unnamed Panther told OBJ that Santa wasn’t real. While this doesn’t excuse OBJ’s actions the league is looking into it.

  64. Poor OBJ. What will he ever do? Those big ol mens calling him names? Go get your momma? Go tell your teacher? Just not right what them big ol mens sayin about him. Lets feel sorry for the chump.

  65. The league won’t look into this much, after all it was not as bad as a black player calling a white player the N word, nothing to see here, except if it was the other way with Ritchie calling Martin the N word. People need to grow up. Bill

  66. Funny, you didn’t see the media going nuts over all the insults directed Tim Tebow for his Christianity. Where was the media outrage then?

  67. Any talk is no reason to do what Beckham did. For that matter, if this had been a defensive player doing this to a RB or heaven forbid a QB, that player would have been suspended the rest of the season and possibly into next year. Why is it less because he was doing it to a defensive player.

    I also think those refs should be suspended a game for allowing that to continue to escalate throughout the game.

  68. The notion that Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who went after Panthers cornerback Josh Norman repeatedly on Sunday, was provoked by the presence of a baseball bat on the field before the game is laughable. Another potential explanation that emerged on Monday is far more serious.

    ______

    Geez Florio,

    So calling a guy names is “far more serious” than someone walking around trying to intimidate you with a baseball bat?

    Sticks and stones Mike, sticks and stones…….

  69. terminalmancer says:
    Dec 22, 2015 12:31 AM

    You can’t justify trying to give someone else a head injury, but if this were true, it would certainly make OBJ’s behavior a lot easier to understand.
    __________________________

    The only way I would agree with this part of your comment is if Beckham is in fact gay. If he is straight, and got THAT riled up over being call gay, that is a disturbing. But I don’t know that I have seen any reason to think he is, nor do I care if he is. But if dancing makes a player gay, there are about 1200 gay players in the NFL right now…

  70. Beckham not only screwed his team with his temper tantrums, he also showed every defensive back in the league how to get into his head.

    Having said that, using gay slurs to provoke someone is unprofessional out of bounds (pun intended)

  71. That’s crazy. Trash talk like yo mama, your sexuality, N-word and anything else to get into an opponent’s head, has been used. If they did direct questions of sexuality toward OBJ, they were apparently successful.

    That’s on him. Deion Sanders has repeatedly sided with OBJ on his conduct. That shows you where his head is, saying it’s personal. Hell, it’s all personal. They got him off his game, which is a win for the opponent.

  72. the NFL should fully investigate whether and to what extent slurs were directed to Beckham.
    =========================================

    Just shut up.

  73. It kills me when people like Deion Sanders and Chris Carter come on talking like they are the mouthpiece for these athletes. Who cares what they think? I certainly don’t. Who cares if they called him anti-gay names? He’s a grown man! Man-up and play football. Sickening! If it bothered him that bad, there might be some truth to it.

  74. Man, I disagree with this article right out of the gate. Nothing excuses Beckhams behavior but the casual brush off of the baseball bat incident is really surprising. Enough photo and video evidence has emerged showing a Panther walking around warm-ups brandishing (yes..brandishing, he isn’t just carrying it) a baseball bat and pointing it at Beckham while jawing at him. That’s “laughable”? Really? This is the type of image the NFL wants to promote? Mike Florio you got that wrong. Can’t blame you because no one else seems to be saying anything about it, but I thought this website set the conversation, instead of just following it.

  75. Awwww, did the big, bad Panther players hurt your feelings, honey. Well, come here, let mommy take away your pain. You just ignore those bullies and play like we talked about. You show them you’re a winner, sweetie.

  76. So what? – PFT seriously thinks there should be an inquiry over trash talk? give me a break. Secondly is he gay? (not that there’s anything wrong with that) because otherwise why would that bother him?

    So Beckham’s like that girl (or man sorry) that walks around with tats all over, piercing all over her face, and a low cut shirt with fake DDs and then get’s mad because people are staring at her.

  77. I doubt that the Panthers had to worry about their flamboyant, gay QB being offended that they were calling OBJ a faqqot. Cam Newton is proud of his gayness and doesn’t let mere words bother her (him).

  78. Seriously? Let’s stop digging around for reasons to excuse this guy for endangering players on the field of play.

    Don’t you think the Rob Gronkowskis, Calvin Johnsons, Sammy Watkins’, Dez Bryants and the likes hear trash talk every game?

    Look OBJ, would you get off the breast already? Your bottle is waiting in your playpen…

  79. The rest of the Panther’s team is now taking their lead from a loud-mouthed jerk who walks around with a towel over his head to hide his enormous ears and hasn’t been called ONCE this year for excessive celebration. Is it any wonder they’re turning into a bunch of insufferable jerks?

  80. This whole thing makes me puke.

    – Can’t say anything about OBJ that hasn’t already been said. He’s childish and deserves a larger punishment.

    – We can all agree that refs were complicit in this. They really crapped the bed.

    – Coughlin has been ‘fired’ every season for the last 5 years. He assured that is happening on ‘Black Monday’ after this season. His ‘I saw nothing’ responses are embarrassing. He should have removed his player from the game if the refs couldn’t be bother. Guys get ‘game benched’ for fumbling or missing a block. OBJs actions generated many penalties that cost his team a game they HAD to win to preserve division/playoff hopes.

    – If OBJ was a d-bag on at an 11, then Norman was a d-bag at a 6. I hated the behavior of BOTH players. It’s nonsense. Even before this game, we see all this bragging/dancing/nonsense crap from the Panthers. I hate all this DMX ‘Y’all gon’ make me lose my mind’ crap in football today – the posturing and the ‘I’m badder than you’ crap – the marriage of hip hop and sports, I guess. Be like Walter Payton – work hard, have fun, laugh a bit with your teammates and opponents and let it show on the field. Or like Barry Sanders. Let your play do the talking and hand the ball to the ref after you score. For every OBJ and Josh Norman, I wish there were 100 Russell Wilsons and Ben Watsons.
    And no, this isn’t a racial thing. I hated it when d bags like Jeremy Shockey did it.

    – Then again, Chico is the Panthers coach. He was part of my beloved ’85 Bears who probably started all this crap with the Super Bowl Shuffle.

    That said, I still want the Panthers to run the table. Not because I like them, but because I want to see Mercury ’14 Game Season’ Morris go away.

  81. all the diva had to do was play his supposed superior game…instead he got gamed and couldn’t handle it…should have gotten a four game suspension but then, Goodell and the owners don’t have a set…

  82. How many altercations/fights/shootings/deaths in our society today result from this dopey notion of ‘being disrespected’.

    Can that crap just end already?

    I’ve been married for 15 years – I know disrespected!

  83. I enjoy watching Wednesday Night Rivalry hockey games on NBC Sports. It always features Eastern Conference match ups – i.e., Philly v. Pitt, Caps v. Habs, etc.

    The baseball bat on football field thing makes me think about that.

    I really hate it when healthy scratch hockey players skate around with a badminton racket during warms ups to try to intimidate Alex Ovechkin.

  84. I laughed on the Monday Night Football analysis last night.

    Ray ‘White Suite’ Lewis said OBJ is the ‘most humble’ player in the league. I had to laugh. At both the assessment and at the source. This in a league with Russell Wilson, Ben Watson, Eli Manning, Jason Witten, Drew Brees, etc.

    The ‘most humble’ player was in fact on the field during THAT game on Sunday. He was wearing #31 and his name is Charles Tillman.

  85. If that’s all it takes to take OBJ off his game, he can expect a lot more of it the rest of his career.
    Toughen up Butter Cup!!

  86. Anyone see Dilfer’s comments on MNF? He added a new perspective. We all know OBJ is a d bag an lost his proverbial shib. We know the refs sucked and Coughlin crapped the bed.

    However, he said ‘watch the all 22’. He said it paints a bigger picture. He did not have kind words for Carolina. He didn’t excuse OBJ in any form but he was clear that Carolina is not the innocent puppy. He said, in watching the all 22 of Carolina’s games this year, he’s counted at least 20 incidents of taunting, nonsense and trash.

    Again, doesn’t excuse what OBJ did, but just reinforces my dislike of the Panthers overall ‘mojo’.

    Bummer because that team features Thomas Davis – the reigning Walter Payton Man of the Year winner, Jared Allen (a goofball, but a very funny and seemingly good dude) and a Peanut Tillman. Arguably the best ‘good guy’ in football. I have friend whose son effectively ‘lived in the same hospital as Peanut’s daughter during their respective health scares and they got to know him VERY well spending tons of time with him daily at the hospital (apparently Peanut’s daughter and their son became great friends). Say he’s the nicest guy on the planet and still comes to their boring suburban summer BBQ/Pool party like clockwork a few years running. Glad to see he’s above that crap.

  87. The only way I would agree with this part of your comment is if Beckham is in fact gay. If he is straight, and got THAT riled up over being call gay, that is a disturbing. But I don’t know that I have seen any reason to think he is, nor do I care if he is. But if dancing makes a player gay, there are about 1200 gay players in the NFL right now…

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    Are you kidding? O BJ is barely in the closet!

  88. Oh I’m shocked. Football players calling each other names. Even racial names and gay slurs. How did we not know this was going on. Where is the press. Where is our President, how about the ACLU shutting down football or at least asking for money to shut up. what the heck is the game turning to.

    I can also see a guy doing it as a joke too and not personal, just trying to get in someones head and laughing about it so its not always something that is mean spirited.

    I mean if he is gay, live with it, its your life choice. Can’t take the heat leave the game.

  89. Time Magazine (which is really just a 4 page pamphlet at this point) listed it’s ‘Most Emotionally Stable People of 2015’. Finalists include:

    – The San Bernadino Jihadis
    – Every Student on Every College Campus
    – Amy Schumer
    – Jim Harbaugh
    – Odell Beckham Jr.

    At this point, it’s a dead heat.

  90. On the other hand….what does a baseball bat have to do with football and where is it’s place ‘on an NFL field’ fall in the game???

  91. the problem people is anti gay slurs, along with the presence of a bat while taunting during pre game, and lets try to remember Normans actions that preceded the meltdown. Combine those factors, and thats straight bully behavior. When you back a man into a corner with threats, taunts, and otherwise, sometimes they will react. It certainly doesnt excuse his behavior, however it certainly gives a little explanation. You can condemn what Beckham did, along with condemning what the Panthers players did. Those saying “get over it”, “deal with it”, dont be complicit in condoning bullying, stand against it! be a man yourself! its not about being “PC”, its about being mature, having class and self pride, and treating others how you want to be treated. Otherwise known as “respect”. Unless of course, you dont have any.

  92. Oh please gives us all a break, next will be he had a bad upbringing. Beckman showed what he was Sunday.

  93. Beckham deserves to be suspended that play was dirty and an intent to injure. The name calling grow up stop being a baby and prove them wrong.

    However, there is no place in football to have a baseball bat on the field. There is no symbolism to it. To say its because we are homerun hitters that a load of crap. The video I saw with a Panthers player with a bat in hand pointing at the Giants sideline is absolute nonsense. That player was yelling and pointing the bat at the Giants as they are running on the field no place for that in the game. That is threatening and with a bat in hand could be considered criminal threatening.

    I could just imagine what you all would be saying if that was the Patriots doing it.

    You’re a hypocrite if you are defending this action.

  94. sidepull says:
    Dec 22, 2015 7:10 AM
    Poor OBJ. What will he ever do? Those big ol mens calling him names? Go get your momma? Go tell your teacher? Just not right what them big ol mens sayin about him. Lets feel sorry for the chump.
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    I like your comment. It’s even better if you read ‘big ol mens’ and in your mind envision David Allan Grier on the ‘Men On Films’ skits on Living Color saying ‘those big ol mens with they strungf’ and hear ‘It’s Raining Men’ playing in the background.

    I give it two snaps in a circle!

  95. micktanner says:
    Dec 22, 2015 10:59 AM
    On the other hand….what does a baseball bat have to do with football and where is it’s place ‘on an NFL field’ fall in the game???
    ________

    Every sport has their scrubs do this. You know those two random white dudes in warms who sit and then end of the bench on every college basketball team?

    It’s well known that they often brandish a curling broom during pre-game to intimidate the opposing players.

  96. I am sick of people on here villifying OBJ. Yes- the helmet launch was over the top and I am not excusing or condoning it. If he gets fined I understand. But to think Norman was innocent in all of this is ridiculous, he got what he deserved. Taunting with a baseball bat, saying they were going to take out his knees and end his career, the gay slurs- I would have snapped and played over aggressive too.

    The fact that his own QB beat his ass in preseason tells you all you really need to know about Norman. He was over the top with Cam, his own QB in practice and paid the price. Obviously he doesn’t learn. I am sure he will be at it again with Julio this weekend.

  97. Some of you still don’t get it. At least fifteen comments on here that say (in different manners) “If the anti-gay slurs offended him then there must be some truth about it”. If OBJ is gay then those slurs become even worse, which could be construed as a crime- so if he is gay then Norman, Finnegan and the other Carolina Bullies should be suspended for the year.

  98. Social Justice, 1-2-3!
    (Woo Woo)
    I wanna be PC!
    (Woo Woo)
    It’s just the way to be for me… And you!
    (Woo Woo)
    Your hateful slurs are through!
    (Woo Woo)
    (I call wee wee on you!) (Woo Woo)

    We’ll fight until you’re PC black and blue!
    (Woo Woo)
    We are language police! Fighting bigotry! Hurtful words can suck our turds! ‘Cause it’s PC for me… And you!
    (Woo Woo)

  99. The NFL needs to strictly police the on field language of its mostly black players by its mostly white refs, owners and commish. (Sarcasm)

  100. Y.A. Tittle is rolling over in his grave.

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    Y.A. Tittle is still alive.

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    Of Course. How else do you expect him to be turning over in his grave? You might want to get him out of there though.

  101. Great display of your moral compass people. All of the hate talk on this board shows what great role models most of you must be. The sad part is a lot of you have kids and they will grow up to be just like you- another generation of intolerance and hate.

  102. I find this narrative that the panthers are bullies rather comical.

    The bat theory didn’t stick, now it is “oh, they called me a gay slur, so I had no choice but to try and break Norman’s neck away from the play a couple of hours later”. What’s next, the winter solstice caused Beckham to drop a touchdown? Seriously man. Giants PR is reaching … Just cut your losses, apologize and move on

    What’s happening to this sport? You really wanna go there NFL? Why don’t you mic up everyone and see how many insults you can record? Good luck with that.

    This actually is not good for Beckham. He’s putting a target on his back with this fiasco. Defenses all around the league are now going to look at him as soft, and will light him up if he keeps acting like this. He needs to nip this in the bud, take his punishment and hope this story goes away asap

  103. Whenever things get reported after the fact — in this case after a suspension has been given…..it sounds like a kid with cookie crumbs on his mouth saying “I didn’t take a cookie….besides Josh MADE me do it!!!”……as we all know from being the kid and the parent….that never works. Worst of all, now every team knows how to get to Beckham, a few well-timed insults and boom, you get 15 yards for your team. If other teams or players have been systematically harassing Beckham with slurs, a la Incognito to Martin, something should be done; but, don’t wait until you’ve done something stupid to play that card.

  104. throwingstones20 says:
    Dec 22, 2015 11:11 AM
    Beckham deserves to be suspended that play was dirty and an intent to injure. The name calling grow up stop being a baby and prove them wrong.

    However, there is no place in football to have a baseball bat on the field. There is no symbolism to it. To say its because we are homerun hitters that a load of crap. The video I saw with a Panthers player with a bat in hand pointing at the Giants sideline is absolute nonsense. That player was yelling and pointing the bat at the Giants as they are running on the field no place for that in the game. That is threatening and with a bat in hand could be considered criminal threatening.

    I could just imagine what you all would be saying if that was the Patriots doing it.

    You’re a hypocrite if you are defending this action.
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    I am a Pats fan and I am defending this action. I do not believe I am a hypocrite. This was not the first game that the Panthers brought the bat out onto the field during practice. No one, including the Giants had a problem with it. If the Giants or any one of their players had a problem with it, it should have been brought to the refs attention…BEFORE the game, not afterward–when there were consequences for Beckham’s tantrums during the game.

  105. Whats funny is Norman is Either Gay or Bi-Sexual Himself. He is probably seriously struggling with that in his own mind and that’s why he hurles these insults out.

    in College my friend Brendon used to Suck Josh Norman off all THE TIME !!!! This isn’t just talk either , this really happened , multiple times

  106. johnnyballsack says:
    Dec 22, 2015 11:51 AM
    Some of you still don’t get it. At least fifteen comments on here that say (in different manners) “If the anti-gay slurs offended him then there must be some truth about it”. If OBJ is gay then those slurs become even worse, which could be construed as a crime- so if he is gay then Norman, Finnegan and the other Carolina Bullies should be suspended for the year.

    _______

    So wait, calling someone an ‘anti-gay’ slur is a CRIME? Is that really a world you want to be living in?

    Is that REALLY a slope you want to start down? I’ve determined that the screen name ‘johnny ballsack’ is offensive because I lost mine in a planking accident. As such, I find it to be offensive and that slur should be a crime.

  107. Wait, so dancing when you score a TD means you’re gay? So then WR is a position held down exclusively by gay men if we use that logic.

  108. So wait, calling someone an ‘anti-gay’ slur is a CRIME? Is that really a world you want to be living in?

    Is that REALLY a slope you want to start down? I’ve determined that the screen name ‘johnny ballsack’ is offensive because I lost mine in a planking accident. As such, I find it to be offensive and that slur should be a crime.
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    Okay- a crime may have been a little harsh but it would make it more severe bullying (is that better?). BTW I gave your comment a thumbs up, very funny.

  109. Wow just wow. It’s not like it’s 1983 and no one can figure out that a leather clad Rob Halford is gay. If you hadn’t already figured that OBJ was gay, than you are embarassingly clueless.

  110. All the hate, look Beckham was clearly punched in the head right before the helmet to helmet, there is no clear evidence that he way attempting helmet to helmet contact. Then he got kneed very hardly in the head by Norman, and then punched a second time in the head…he should not have retaliated but two or three folks plus Beckham could have been ejected on that play.

  111. This does remind me when Andre Johnson gave Cortland Finnegan a full-out beat down on the field for his dirty play over the years.

    NFL did nothing and everyone who ever watched football saw it as Finnegan’s comeuppance.

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