Peyton Manning adds Ari Fleischer to HGH allegation P.R. effort

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In most cases, NFL players simply deny an allegation made against them. In some cases, an NFL player regards an allegation as sufficiently severe to require something more.

In the case of Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who issued a personal statement on Saturday night calling the report from Al Jazeera regarding secretly-taped claims that he used HGH in 2011 “complete garbage,” Peyton isn’t content to rely simply on his denial. White House press secretary Ari Fleischer also has been enlisted to speak on Manning’s behalf.

There’s no truth to it,” Fleischer said of the report, via Troy E. Renck and Nicki Jhabvala of the Denver Post. “What they have is a well-known con man from England who secretly recorded a former intern.”

The former Guyer Institute intern, Charles Sly, reportedly has recanted the claim that Manning used HGH. Sly was caught on tape (unbeknownst to him) making the allegations by Liam Collins, a British hurdler who went undercover in an effort to expose PED use in sports. Sly told Al Jazeera that the statements attributed to him are “absolutely false and incorrect,” and that Collins took advantage of Sly during a vulnerable period following the passing of his fiancé. Sly separately told ESPN that he lied to Collins to test his legitimacy. (At some point, the sheer volume of alternative explanations from Sly makes each of them curious, at best.)

Peyton supplemented his Saturday night statement with comments to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, who has a long relationship with the Manning family and has broken many Manning-related stories, including Peyton’s selection of the Broncos in 2012. (Patriots fans will appreciate — or not — the irony of Mortensen’s early involvement in the life cycle of this specific story.)

“For the record, I have never used HGH,” Manning told Mortensen. “It absolutely never happened. The whole thing is totally wrong. It’s such a fabrication, I’m not losing any sleep over it, that’s for sure.”

He may not be losing sleep over it, but Manning or someone close to him is sufficiently concerned about the donut hole that emerged on Saturday to retain the services of someone who helps high-profile people put out P.R. firestorms for a living.

“The treatment he received at the Guyer Institute was provided on the advice of his physician and with the knowledge of team doctors and trainers,” Manning’s agent told Al Jazeera in connection with the original story on the matter. “Any medical treatment received by Ashley [Manning] is a private matter of hers, her doctor, and her family.”

Some have interpreted the explanation regarding Ashley Manning, who according to Al Jazeera acquired the HGH in her name for Peyton’s use, as being sufficiently vague to account for the possibility that evidence eventually will emerge showing that she had indeed obtained HGH from the Guyer Institute. (There’s no evidence of that at this point, beyond Sly’s recanted claims.) At a minimum, the knowledge of Fleisher’s involvement justifies the analysis and parsing over every word uttered on Manning’s behalf — because that’s precisely what folks like Fleisher, who now specializes in media strategies for sports figures and organizations, are paid to do before any words are ever uttered on a client’s behalf.

“Yes, I have been a patient under Dr. Guyer,” Manning told Mortensen. “I have had nutrient therapy, oxygen therapy and other treatments that are holistic in nature but never HGH. My wife has never provided any medication for me to take. Ashley and I never attended the clinic together after hours. There were times when I went in the morning and there were times when I went after practice so this thing about ‘after hours’ is so misleading because it may have been 5:15 pm because their office closed at 5.”

It’s odd that Manning would quibble over the notion that he and Ashley went to the clinic “after hours” with a precise explanation of when they arrived there, presumably to account preemptively for the possibility that other current or former employees of the Guyer Institute will decide to provide details regarding Manning’s situation, on or off the record. It’s also noteworthy that, despite Fleischer presumably providing a comprehensive media strategy for dealing with the situation, Ashley Manning has not yet issued a statement denying the purchase or receipt of HGH.

With so many statements and reports and developments emerging in a fairly short time frame, it’s fair to wonder what the next statement, report, or development will be. Either way, the story has quickly mushroomed into something that could potentially be far more damaging to Manning’s legacy than his on-field performance from what could be his last NFL season.

142 responses to “Peyton Manning adds Ari Fleischer to HGH allegation P.R. effort

  1. When people appear too good to be true, they’re often just that: too good to be true. One thing is for certain: Manning hasn’t been using HGH this year!

  2. OK, now that we’ve had the obligatory Chris Mortensen early report on the story, where’s the Ted Wells-led investigation? Where’s Goodell’s full court press to protect the integrity of the game?

    After all, wasn’t it Goodell who perversely equated allegedly deflated footballs to PED use? Well, get going Roger. Time for you to ride into town and save the game!

    Oh, I suppose that Manning is no longer a threat to embarrass the other teams in the league by always winning…so the other owners see no need to go after Manning and try to tear him down. Now I get it.

  3. OMG….Peyton’s legacy has gradually started going down the tubes.

    Had this been Brady…there would have been TV shows stopped, and allegations of cheating all over the place.

    Manning should have retired last year, when it was obvious that he lost it.

    His silence, when his ” friend” Brady got tarred and feathered, signifigant…and hoping Brady acts same way .

    As the world turns….dial up those asterisks.

  4. Even though I spent the better part of the last 15 years rooting against him, i actually love Peyton Manning so I hope this report is not true. That said I hope the NFL in order to protect the integrity of the game launches a full and complete investigation, and I hope the national sports and news media rips him apart regardless of his denial (under oath or not) for this much more serious cheating allegation because fair is fair. its gut check time now ESPN, NFL you destroyed Brady with no evidence, a sham investigation and a denial under oath based on an accusation alone. Now lets see if you will treat Manning the same.

  5. What’s truly sad & ironic is how fans of the New England Cheetahs will flock to this story to post comments denying the multiple proven cases of cheating by Pretty Boy & the sweatshirt guy. Give it up. You may be trying to feed your own denial, but the rest of the world ain’t buying it..,your beloved corrupt franchise was exposed & is forever tainted. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle…

  6. This is comical. This “Sly” character didn’t even work there until 2013 long after Manning was in Denver. You can obviously question the credibility of Algazer’s reporting when they said in the doc that they “verified” Sly worked there in 2011 when he clearly didn’t. This guy has said point blank that he lied about it all. News flash: People who are nobodys in life often lie about their accomplishments and make themselves out to be bigger than they really are. That’s what this Sly dude was doing. He has admitted he has never even met Peyton before.

    But this guy’s non existent credibility or the fact that they are “reporting” this based on only one guy’s statement even after that guy admitted he lied about the whole thing speaks volumes about the problem with today’s “journalism”. Because ultimately, it doesn’t matter if it’s credible. Millions of people are now talking about Algaziers little documentary. They got exactly what they wanted. Bottom line, If you are a big name, you generate clicks. That makes you a target. It doesn’t have to be true or credible. The attention is all that matters. And Peyton Manning is about as big a name as you can find in sports.

  7. Ultimately, just like with deflategate for Tom, this will give the people who hate Manning something to throw out in their little arguments on social media. And for the people who love Manning, it won’t change anything. They will love him just the same as they always have. Just as deflategate didn’t change the way people who love Brady feel about him, this won’t change how people feel about Manning either.

    The interesting thing with Brady and Manning this last year, and with all our greatest athletes in general, is how much people want to hate them. It really is astonishing if you think about it, the sheer amount of hate and disgust so many fans have with any great athlete not on their team. Says a lot about how miserable and jealous the majority of us “normal” people must be I guess. Sad really

  8. I’d say that we simply wait for the all the facts to come out, and then we can make on judgments based on what we have.

    However, Brady, nor the Patriots, got such a treatment right from the jump; and this was for some air in some footballs. This is STILL going on almost a year later.

    Let’s just tar and feather Manning in the town square now and get it over with.

  9. It’s weird that when it comes to Tom Brady, this website wants absolute hard evidence that he cheated, despite all the circumstantial evidence pointing towards his guilt.

    But in regards to Manning, you have no problem pointing out the “flaws” in his story. (Your criticizing him for denying they went “after hours”… Why?? “After hours” implies a shady low-key meeting. Denying that is very valid if I were him).

    Fact of the matter is, they are both probably guilty of doing what they are accused of doing. This is coming from a Manning fan.

    While I know there are some holes to the story about a guy nicknamed “the deflator” who took balls into a bathroom in a game where balls were found to be deflated, chances are there are too many coincidences to ignore and common sense tells me he probably did it.

    Just like there are some holes to the reports of this story, common sense tells me Manning probably did it. I kind of assumed he did based upon his injury and his comeback regardless of this story breaking.

    The fact is that this is most likely common place. ACL tears used to be an 18-24 month recovery… Now it has shortened to 6-9 months. I almost assume anyone that has has that injury over the past 10 years has taken HGH to help them get back faster (and yes that includes Tom Brady).

  10. Uh, showing up at 5:15 when they close at 5:00 is by definition after hours not misleading. “HGH prolonged my career” sung to the tune of the Nationwide jingle.

  11. I don’t know how Peyton proves his innocence here. He would essentially have to make his wifes personal medical records public. All because some schmuck in Texas (who apparently never even worked in the Indiana branch) tried lending credibility to his program that he was pitching by dropping as many names as he could to get this potential client to “buy-in”.

    “Oh yea, everyone does this stuff… Even Peyton Manning!”

    Fact is, Peyton maybe/ probably did this, but it’s so hard to defend when the only “proof” someone has offered is an intern who started working there 2 years after the alleged “treatment” took place just blurts it out.

    In regards to journalism, wasn’t it common place that when you are planning on dragging someones name through the mud, you get at least 2 verified sources? This is just some guy who started working there in another state that “heard it through the grapevine”. Usually not enough for most credible news agencies to publish to tarnish someones name. But this is Al-Jazeria so I’m not sure they’re standards are up to par…

  12. Why do the haters (losers) always involve the Patriots or Brady into every controversial story – that has absolutely nothing to do with them?

    This is a BS story trying to implicate Peyton Manning into HGH use that this Patriot fan feels is 100% fabricated. You could secretly tape someone at my neighborhood pub claiming Peyton is from Pluto – doesn’t mean its true.

  13. insider7 says:

    OK, now that we’ve had the obligatory Chris Mortensen early report on the story, where’s the Ted Wells-led investigation? Where’s Goodell’s full court press to protect the integrity of the game?
    ===================================

    Easy, slow down, Turbo. Holy cow.

  14. truthfactory says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:57 AM
    If this report is true, it happened only in 2011… A year in which he never threw an NFL pass. Just saying…
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    That year would actually make the most sense. Rodney Harrison used HGH to recover from an injury (his story) and was caught and suspended. If HGH helps people recover from injuries (without providing competitive advantage), maybe it should be permissible to use in professional sports leagues.

    For now, there is no proof of anything and I don’t believe the league should do any investigation on its own or spend $millions trying to prove anything. It was wrong to do that in going after Tom Brady and it’s wrong now. As Florio has said before about the Brady case, fans of other teams shouldn’t be so giddy that the NFL went after Tom Brady because it could be your guy next.

  15. mswravens says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:25 AM
    What’s truly sad & ironic is how fans of the New England Cheetahs will flock to this story to post comments denying the multiple proven cases of cheating by Pretty Boy & the sweatshirt guy. Give it up. You may be trying to feed your own denial, but the rest of the world ain’t buying it..,your beloved corrupt franchise was exposed & is forever tainted. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle…

    We’re flocking to this story because posts like yours just prove our point. Nothing the Pats have been accused of isnt something that plenty of other teams weren’t doing. There is no “multiple proven cases of cheating” by the Patriots that’s just how people like you make it out to be while since you like Peyton we hear “everybody does this” or who cares or you demand solid proof. Just like we ask for…Circumstanial evidence aplenty in this case but he gets the benefit of the doubt…Because he hasnt won enough to be hated.
    I do believe this report but don’t really care because I know “everybody does it” (cheats) is pretty much true in the NFL. But I’m going to have some fun with this you betcha lol

  16. marcuswelby1 says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:09 AM
    If there is no smoke, why is he trying to put out a fire???
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    All you have to do to understand why is to look at the number of posts here that make assumptions based on absolutely nothing. Manning wisely is enlisting an expert to combat the potential firestorm of bogus information around this whole thing.

    At this point, the evidence (read that verifiable facts) say that Sly has recanted and there is no other evidence of any kind to substantiate that Manning ever used HGH. Trouble is too many refuse to let facts get in the way of their biases and uninformed opinions.

  17. Sly is trying to bail out Manning by recanting his sorry. His recanting of the story looks even worse now that Manning has basically validated all of his recorded story. In his interview with Mort, Manning admitted he went after hours, he was a client there and his wife was getting HGH. Sly is making it out now like the entire thing was made up, which we now know for fact most of it wasn’t. Botched cover up.

  18. People mock Al Jazzera but they didn’t go out and make up a story. They have hidden camera footage of a guy saying Manning was given HGH. They just posted the video. Even if it was TMZ reporting this doesn’t make it less reputable then if CNN reported it. It’s a hidden camera sting. It wasn’t even meant to catch Manning. He just happened to be one of the most reputable people to be in the sting.

  19. As an avid sports fan, I am not looking forward to the upcoming barrage of what Archie has to say about this. Someone put a muzzle on him already.

    Where was Ari in deflategate? Anyone? Oh, Brady literally, stood alone, in his confidence of innocent behavior during a ridiculously bogus and fixed, juvenile, investigation. Free Tom Brady! Fry Peyton Manning in the world class record books of the NFL! Anytime someone needs a former White House press secretary, guilty as assumed in the world of professional sports.

  20. Watch the NFL quickly run away from this story. The guy is at the end of his career. Still, the NFL Offices did hang Tom Brady out to dry with “evidence” that was equally as flimsy, and did it in a way that tried to marshal public opinion against him. Watch the same people do the opposite with Manning. That said, just like it should have been with Brady, there better be convincing evidence before Manning gets his legacy besmirched — as opposed to the biased scorched earth approach Goodell took with Brady.

  21. Dident Roger Clemens have his wife use her name to pick up his HGH as well? He should have used Chris Carter’s advice and used a “fall guy” for his dirty dealings, it would be one less thing to have to lye about… I mean explane.

  22. So why SHOULDN’T Patriot fans get all giddy and demand the same kind of witch hunt on manning as Brady got? Why SHOULDN’T the idiotic “cheater” label now be part of every Manning comment? Fair is fair. Oh I know, “cheating” is the only possible explanation for New England’s unprecedented success.

  23. So what if he did? Do half the people out there know what hgh even is? Its a natural substance your own body produces that promotes healing and growth. So what!? I’m sure he probably didn’t but even if he did its really not that big a deal. And honestly there are better research peptides out there for healing tissue. Total joke. Oh and by the way HGH is extremely good for you and doesn’t give you mandible jaw and big forehead. That’s how stupidly unbelieveable uneducated and unaware our society is about PEDS. They don’t make you superhuman they give a very slight boost in some cases and it really depends on the person. Some people it backfires on and makes them worse. If I was 38 or whatever and making that kinda cash and I thought hgh “might” help hell yea id be taking it. And I guarantee you MANY NFL guys are taking already anyway. If they didn’t we wouldn’t have enough guys to get through the season. Oh but its ok to shoot up a guys shoulder with freaking cortisone at halftime. HGH is NOT a drug its a substance our bodies make naturally. I say allow hgh under doc supervision. NFL is huge money they need players to be on the field.

  24. mswravens says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:25 AM

    What’s truly sad & ironic is how fans of the New England Cheetahs will flock to this story to post comments denying the multiple proven cases of cheating by Pretty Boy & the sweatshirt guy. Give it up. You may be trying to feed your own denial, but the rest of the world ain’t buying it..,your beloved corrupt franchise was exposed & is forever tainted. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle…
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    Dear butt hurt Ravens fan,
    Take your miserable 4-10, soon to be 4-12 record and get outtah heeyah and don’t come back until your crybaby, excuse making joke of an organization becomes relevant again.

  25. Patriot fans are the biggest crybabies on the planet. There was a video of the ball boy taking footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected by the officials. I guess Belicheat can game plan for everything except rogue minimum wage employees. Stop your whining already. It is sickening. And where were you all in the 80’s and 90’s. Oh yeah, your team stunk so no band wagon fans like many of you are now. You couldn’t name the QBs who took you to the SB in 85 and 96 without Google.

  26. “The whole thing is totally wrong. It’s such a fabrication, I’m not losing any sleep over it, that’s for sure.”
    *************
    Well, it’s either claim you’re not worried or admit, it does bother you.(which would be normal)

    Guilty or not, blaming the messenger is asinine. Some people here think anything coming from the Middle East, can’t be trusted. I guess that would include the number system they developed and is used world-wide, as well as the area being known as the cradle of civilization.

    Oh, and didn’t that little brown baby in a manger, named Jesus, come from there? Just let the facts play out and you be the judge.

  27. Your name betrays you truthfactory. Your comments on deflategate prove you are nothing but a headline reader.

  28. Ari Fleischer has a punchable face. Bad hire.

    “For the record, I have never used HGH” Two key words: USED and HGH. What is the definition of USED? And Delta-12, or whatever the name may be, is not called HGH.

  29. @zigthepatsfan – you could not be more wrong. I am a Baltimore fan. I hate Peyton & everything to do with the Irsay team in Indy. But I respect Peyton as a football player. Can’t say the same about Pretty Boy & sweatshirt. They are confirmed cheaters. Like many, many pro football players, I have zero respect for their tainted “accomplishments”. And it’s so rich to hear the New England Brahmin crowd calling us truth tellers ” crybabies”… There’s no bigger crybaby in the league than that Ugg wearing liar you worship. Big Ben I hate…but I would take him over the whining pretty boy 7 days a week!

  30. Payton is going to spend the rest of his time in the NFL defending this allegations, and Denver doesn’t have to play him pending the out come of the investigation. Sounds like a win win for Denver.

  31. NE wins because of running, catching, hitting, tacking, kicking, passing and superior coaching. Peyton, if true, was trying to gain a competitive advantage on the field which is far worse that psi in a football that has been documented weather affects all balls in a game, not just the Pats thus no competitive advantage.

  32. PatriotsCheat,FansDenyDenyAccuse says:
    Dec 27, 2015 7:38 AM

    One guy used HGH to get back on the field, the other cheated before and during games to win 4 tainted super bowls. Big difference mouth breathers.
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    Translation: Brady beat my team repeatedly and Manning ‘s my guy. In other words, typical fan.

  33. Think about it. If he took HGH for that neck injury he did come back like dynamite. Then this year he dropped off drastically. Maybe he did use it to rehab his injury. Honestly, I don’t care. I watch the NFL under the assumption that the majority of players use HGH.

  34. Cheater, the Colts Lombardi now has a asterisk, Manning is a fraud…..
    Did I miss any of which hunt jargon used on Brady, haters? Oh yea, his wife is hideous…….add the Hgh scandal to the other cheating the colts have done, pumped in crowd noise, losing to get Luck(how’s that working for you), steroids, etc…etc….

  35. It’s funny to me that people are suspicious of Al Jazeera, who really has no motive to smear Manning, but they blindly accept a dubious and changing narrative from Ted Wells and the NFL.

    I don’t known if Manning used HGH, but he should be investigated fairly to find out if in fact he did.

  36. Ok yes, Sly didn’t work there in ’11, he never met Pey Pey, yet he’s been remarkably spot on with his allegations. 5:15 is after hours, Ashley clearly did receive HGH given no denial at all, way too much smoke. There’s a bonfire burning somewhere

  37. briangraydon says:
    Dec 27, 2015 8:08 AM

    Patriot fans are the biggest crybabies on the planet. There was a video of the ball boy taking footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected by the officials. I guess Belicheat can game plan for everything except rogue minimum wage employees. Stop your whining already. It is sickening. And where were you all in the 80’s and 90’s. Oh yeah, your team stunk so no band wagon fans like many of you are now. You couldn’t name the QBs who took you to the SB in 85 and 96 without Google.
    ——————————————————-
    Way to stay relevant. Let’s talk 80’s and 90’s. For the record Tony “chicken crap” Eason and Steve Grogan led the 85 Pats while Drew Bledsoe was the 96 QB. Hey let’s go back even further shall we? How about 1943 when the Steelers merged with the Eagles to be called the Steagles? Ya, that really happened, lol. Going back to 1933 the Steelers had 4 winning seasons until that sad sack franchise found steroids and turned things around in 71. Then there’s Aikmans 1-15 season in 89. I’ve been a Pats fan since day one. Broke my Giants fan Dad’s heart. People crying about other teams fan bases are crybabies themselves by definition.

  38. If this report was complete garbage manning wouldn’t be wasting his time trying to explain it. He would brush it off as nonsense and not give this anymore airtime by offering up further talking points. He might not be completely innocent of what’s being suggested but very likely he’s not completely innocent either. Just waiting for Adrian Petersons name to pop up now too so his near NFL record, post knee surgery season can be explained.

  39. wrong. I am a Baltimore fan. I hate Peyton & everything to do with the Irsay team in Indy. But I respect Peyton as a football player. Can’t say the same about Pretty Boy & sweatshirt. They are confirmed cheaters. Like many, many pro football players, I have zero respect for their tainted “accomplishments”. And it’s so rich to hear the New England Brahmin crowd calling us truth tellers ” crybabies”… There’s no bigger crybaby in the league than that Ugg wearing liar you worship. Big Ben I hate…but I would take him over the whining pretty boy 7 days a week!


    Ravens: No .500 seasons since the NFL started monitoring air pressure in footballs. Hmmmm.

    #JustSaying
    #TruthHurts
    #YoureJustNotThatGoodWithoutCheating

  40. Of course this story came from Al Jazeera.
    Where else was it going to come from??
    You don’t think America’s mainstream sports media, who’ve been in the bag for Peyton Manning for years would have touched this story with a 100 foot pole do you??

  41. Who Cares?
    They get paid millions to entertain US. They wreck their bodies, destroy their brains, get arrested, get shot… I say legalize all these PED’s. Let the mutants rule the football field. Just lock them up after the game…

  42. mswravens says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:25 AM

    What’s truly sad & ironic is how fans of the New England Cheetahs will flock to this story to post comments denying the multiple proven cases of cheating by Pretty Boy & the sweatshirt guy. Give it up. You may be trying to feed your own denial, but the rest of the world ain’t buying it..,your beloved corrupt franchise was exposed & is forever tainted. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle…

    whatever makes you feel better about your team that sucks

  43. PatriotsCheat,FansDenyDenyAccuse says:
    Dec 27, 2015 7:38 AM

    One guy used HGH to get back on the field, the other cheated before and during games to win 4 tainted super bowls. Big difference mouth breathers.
    ———————————————————-
    Rodney Harrison got suspended for HGH, but he was a Patriot so it’s OK! When NFL Royalty the Mannings… get caught Oh I never ever even thought about HGH? Easily duped, or just plain stupid?

  44. mswravens says:
    Dec 27, 2015 8:17 AM
    @zigthepatsfan – you could not be more wrong. I am a Baltimore fan. I hate Peyton & everything to do with the Irsay team in Indy. But I respect Peyton as a football player. Can’t say the same about Pretty Boy & sweatshirt. They are confirmed cheaters. Like many, many pro football players, I have zero respect for their tainted “accomplishments”. And it’s so rich to hear the New England Brahmin crowd calling us truth tellers ” crybabies”… There’s no bigger crybaby in the league than that Ugg wearing liar you worship. Big Ben I hate…but I would take him over the whining pretty boy 7 days a week!

    Have the Ravens ever lost a game fair and square? They whine about something after every loss. They even whined about legal plays being deceptive for crying out loud and you want to talk about whining?

    Thanks for the laugh

  45. Sounds like we’re about to find out just how stable an open marriage can really be. Of course the fact that she’s on the gravy train, means the truth probably won’t come out of her mouth either…

  46. hougie40 says:
    Dec 27, 2015 7:56 AM

    So what if he did? Do half the people out there know what hgh even is? Its a natural substance your own body produces that promotes healing and growth. So what!? I’m sure he probably didn’t but even if he did its really not that big a deal. And honestly there are better research peptides out there for healing tissue. Total joke. Oh and by the way HGH is extremely good for you and doesn’t give you mandible jaw and big forehead. That’s how stupidly unbelieveable uneducated and unaware our society is about PEDS. They don’t make you superhuman they give a very slight boost in some cases and it really depends on the person. Some people it backfires on and makes them worse. If I was 38 or whatever and making that kinda cash and I thought hgh “might” help hell yea id be taking it. And I guarantee you MANY NFL guys are taking already anyway. If they didn’t we wouldn’t have enough guys to get through the season. Oh but its ok to shoot up a guys shoulder with freaking cortisone at halftime. HGH is NOT a drug its a substance our bodies make naturally. I say allow hgh under doc supervision. NFL is huge money they need players to be on the field.
    ————————————————–
    Signed
    Lance Armstrong…oy vey

  47. Bit of a conundrum I guess, but having to hire Ari Fleischer to spin for you makes it look like there’s something that needs spinning.

  48. Peyton was texting a guy known as “the doper” but evidence was lost as Peyton destroyed his phone. Suddenly, Pats* fans start to believe Peyton is innocent.

  49. “White House press secretary Ari Fleischer also has been enlisted to speak on Manning’s behalf.”

    Fleischer stepped away from his position more than twelve or thirteen years ago. There have been a slew of others over the ensuing years — so really, Fleischer is a (former) White House Press Secretary.

  50. Peyton cheated he just needs to admit it. He probably got the hookup from Derrick Wolfe who was also busted for peds. Maybe Von miller gave him the contact lots of cheating in the Broncos organization.

  51. Enter the man Ari Fleischer, who helped create all the turmoil in the Middle East, by selling us on Iraq’s mythical WMD. That worked really well, or should I say, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?

  52. Those lashing out asking where the NFL is and why there isn’t and investigation….

    Hmmm it’s been less than 24 hours on a Christmas weekend. You’re favorite East-Coast talk shows (weei?) haven’t even had a chance to air since the story broke. Bitter much?

    -CF

  53. Like some others, I don’t really think using HGH to heal is such a big deal. It doesn’t give you a competitive advantage on the field. I guess the argument is that you are able to come back quicker… so what?- a lot of other therapies help you do that too. They should change the rules on HGH. That said, I am much more bothered with Peyton hiring Ari Fleisher – who is a certified liar. That is the scandal.

  54. There would have been others at the clinic who have knowledge of Manning being supplied with HGH. Out of those, I expect at least one will be chirping to the media in hopes of getting their 15 minutes of fame. Until there are other sources giving the same info, I’m reserving judgement…unlike most in the Internet Court of Quick Condemnation.

  55. Been saying this for years about his mystery European clinic visits. He had 4 neck surgeries, couldn’t throw a football 15 yards according to Eli Manning, and then goes to Europe and then breaks the TD record in his late thirties? Really? Oh, and just look at the size of his head compared to his body.

  56. So was Peyton planning on a second career as a pass rusher?

    Seriously, the Packers should be far more interesting with the supposed high number of players involved there.

  57. The way the story was headed when you brought up Ashley I was for sure you were going to follow it with Madison

  58. For most Pats fans, we don’t really care if Manning used HGH to get over his neck woes. It’s really not about Manning or HGH. Manning’s story has already been written in terms of his NFL legacy.

    This is really about how the mob reacts and how the media responds to this story. Are we going to have former players and teammates condemning Manning around the clock? Are we going to see another $5-$7m investigation to protect the “integrity” of the game?

    As a Pats fan, do I want to see Manning get tarred and feathered? Not really, but kind of… It wasn’t fair to Brady and it wouldn’t be fair to Manning. But either way, I think we’re going to see something interesting out of the media and from those who cover the NFL.

  59. Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer has been enlisted to speak on Manning’s behalf.

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    Hey, he was great at getting most of the American People on-board with the invasion of Iraq based on fear tactics, faulty intelligence, exaggerations and outright lies.

    Peyton Manning just dug this hole deeper.

  60. When you ally yourself with Mort the Deflategate Hack and Ari The Iraq War Flack…you’ve already lost.

    Poor Peyton. Daddy may not be able to fix this for you.

  61. It’s sickening and shameful, the fascination Americans have for wanting the successful to fall! I’ve never seen anything like it! The “source” has actually recanted his statement. The guy hires someone to help protect his reputation, because NO athlete has ever been accused of something the didn’t do. ALL of a sudden he’s “guilty by his acts to protect himself AND his family”? Unbelievable! I’ll bet this is the very FIRST time you’ve BELIEVED “Al Jazeera” in your lives!

    I’m NOT saying he did, or he didn’t. I’m just pointing out the reaction from those on here who lavish in others failures or faults.

  62. truthfactory says:
    Dec 27, 2015 6:54 AM
    It’s weird that when it comes to Tom Brady, this website wants absolute hard evidence that he cheated, despite all the circumstantial evidence pointing towards his guilt.
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    You are dead wrong. Brady and the Pats were tarred and feathered at minute one. Only several months later, when the NFL’s manufactured fable started coming apart at the seams with the Wells report did PFT start looking at the “other side” of the story. This Manning issue apples an oranges too. This is not Goodell and his band of merry criminals manufacturing a supposed crime.

  63. Brady spent months avoiding the subject. I believe the closest he came was avoiding the question at some charity function (also months later). Manning at least came out from the start and denied the allegations. Makes you wonder why Brady didn’t.

  64. Oh, Patsie fan.
    Beware. Beware.

    Somewhere down the line, PFT picked their horse and has been riding it since. Judged by the sheer volume of injected comments regarding your precious Tom & Bill show, I’d say the message is clear: this is a Patriot Fan site, where Patriot fan can attach any story to the Deny & Accuse narrative and filibuster it into a defense of the team everyone else sees for what they are: opportunistic, exploitive, cheats. Oh, and don’t forget: NFL-COMPLICIT-CHEATS at that.
    Your team was manufactured by the NFL and for the NFL, and now the other owners in that partnership have had enough. Just like they’ve had enough of Lord Peyton and Bowden the Boob – “Sorry, we already turned the other way for you once during your first 2 Super Bowls… Oh, and no THIS one’s… For John!”
    Pats fan will literally grab on to any story they can in order to continue that bogus conspiracy of against precious Tom, but it just doesn’t matter – none of us believe it. You are screaming into a room full of sheep screaming into a room.
    But I say beware because your “if smoke/then fire” story line is gonna come back to haunt you, double time. Tom made a pretty miraculous recovery of his own once upon a time – and you already got one mulligan on the Rodney Harrison HGH use. Just know we’ll all be ready for that story when it comes out – make sure you pick who will be a trustworthy news source beforehand so we’re all on the same page. Might I suggest “Al Jazeera” for the most ironic Patapologist network ever? Please let that happen!!

    I hate the Broncos and could care less about the Indianapolis Irsays. Lifelong Raider fan still awaiting your explanation of the Nefarious Football League’s removal from rule books of the made up-call that launched this entire mess in the first place. You know, after Crazy Al Davis passed, of course. Lemme guess: they abolished the tuck rule as some sort of long form conspiracy against Tom Terrific, right?

    The Patri*t dynasty was born on a lie, continued on a defense of lies and is just now coming back down to earth. If smoke = fire then this site and every comment meticulously (if somewhat clumsily) crafted into a defense of the Patri*ts is a digital forest fire and all you living in it are super doomed. Gonna be fun. The rest of us eagerly await the inevitable next scandal.
    Beware. Beware.

  65. Ytsejamer1 says:
    Dec 27, 2015 9:46 AM
    For most Pats fans, we don’t really care if Manning used HGH to get over his neck woes. It’s really not about Manning or HGH. Manning’s story has already been written in terms of his NFL legacy.

    This is really about how the mob reacts and how the media responds to this story. Are we going to have former players and teammates condemning Manning around the clock? Are we going to see another $5-$7m investigation to protect the “integrity” of the game?

    As a Pats fan, do I want to see Manning get tarred and feathered? Not really, but kind of… It wasn’t fair to Brady and it wouldn’t be fair to Manning. But either way, I think we’re going to see something interesting out of the media and from those who cover the NFL.

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    Well said. Most of us have never had a problem with Manning, himself. What we do take issue with is the nauseating, non-stop fawning and can-do-no-wrong media coverage he inspires. We’re tired of all the passes he and the teams he’s associated with seem to get.

  66. Sounds like Guyer is Manning’s “body coach” with HGH as his medicine. It also sounds like an integrity/good of the game issue. Time for a multi million dollar year long Ted Wells investigation.

  67. Look. I just took 50 minutes of my life and actually watched the documentary. I suggest you do too. There are other names in there. Packers, Steelers players. Actually the Packers come across very poorly. Watch it and decide.

  68. Canada has a law requiring programs that bill themselves as news tell the truth. Fox “news” cannot be aired in Canada for that reason. Al Jazeera news can be aired for that reason.

  69. If there is anything to be learned from deflategate it is to not jump to conclusions based on the first things you hear.

    Now, would it surprise me if Manning did HGH to recover from 4 neck surgeries and get back out on the fields 15 million a year? Of course not. Would I think less of him for doing so? Of course not. I think many of us in that situation would do so.

    However, let’s let things play out before we decide that Manning definitely did it, or that the story is garbage because of the guy who went undercover or because it is from Al Jezeera or because Manning has immediately hired Ari Fleischer or whatever.

    Just remember, the NFL let Mortensen’s incorrect PSI numbers live for months in the press and never corrected the information until the Wells report came out. It’s going to take time for the truth to play out here. I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion on whether or not Manning used HGH, I’m saying don’t be so ignorant as to think you KNOW anything at this point.

  70. Usually the guy that comes out screaming “I’m not guilty” and has a multi million dollar defense team all lined up ready to go, within minutes of said allegation, is guilty as sin. Anyone who was in bed with a dog like Irsay has flees.

  71. well peyton does have that huge horse head- which is one thing HGH does do- your whole body and head starts growing again..like barry bonds..and you go from like 200 pounds to 230 in 6 months or so..

    but here is what I think- if a pro athlete wants to take HGH- and god knows hundreds have and maybe more in all sports- let them.

    in fact, I predict one day every one will take some kind of mild doseage HGH supplement.. it makes you stronger..it is the drug of choiuce and lets face it, your body also produces HGH up until around 25 and gradually diminishes its out put …

    manning is at the end of his career..anyone can see that.. he might be able to play some in the playoffs but not a whole game.

  72. Brady spent months avoiding the subject. I believe the closest he came was avoiding the question at some charity function (also months later). Manning at least came out from the start and denied the allegations. Makes you wonder why Brady didn’t.
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    Other than, you know, denying it immediately and then later doing so under oath.

  73. For all you fans that believe high is not a competitive advantage, then why is it banned by every pro sports league and every world wide sports organizations that test athletes ?

  74. I don’t care if Peyton Manning did HGH. I don’t care if every player in the NFL is on the stuff. I only care that the NFL and ESPN attack this story with all the savage aggressiveness that they used against Tom Brady.

  75. If the NFL was the forward thinking, rational organization I think we all wish it was, HGH would not be banned.

    First off, HGH, used properly under a physician’s care, has no proven side effects, at least none in excess of those found with any prescription medicine. If it were not on the banned substances list, athletes could use it this way. Since it is, athletes are forced to procure it through shady sources, adding to the risk considerably.

    Secondly, HGH has NO PROVEN BENEFIT for younger athletes whose bodies are already making all of the growth hormone they can handle. Like vitamin supplements, GH ingested past what the body can use is flushed from the system.

    The only benefit to athletes comes to those in the later stages of their career, and even then the benefits of HGH are limited primarily to speeding injury recovery.

    In summary, HGH used properly under a doctor’s care poses no more risk than scores of legal remedies currently available and could add years to the careers of great athletes.

    How is this bad again?

  76. First, does this not explain why Mort was the man behind the 11 of 12 report. He loves manning and the manning family. He jumped at the opportunity to take down Brady, who has a long history of beating Manning

    Second, Tom Brady said he was innocent, testified under oath he was innocent. He didn’t need to hire Ari Fleischer to do his talking for him. I think that tells you a lot about Brady (because his actions look like an innocent man) and Manning (his actions look like a man who is afraid of saying something that will put his nuts in a vice cuz he’s guilty as hell…).

  77. Go* *amn Annoying Patriots fan. I swear every scandal until the end of time somehow will always go back to them and DeflateGate and how them and Brady were lynched in the town square. Whether Peyton did HGH or not this is not about you Patriots fans

  78. Two guys accused of some level of cheating, one guy answers questions from the press, one guy says nothing, goes into hiding and never speaks to the press about allegations against him. Not saying this proves anyone is guilty or not, but it does show what kind of man each of them are.

  79. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    Dec 27, 2015 10:27 AM
    If the NFL was the forward thinking, rational organization I think we all wish it was, HGH would not be banned.

    First off, HGH, used properly under a physician’s care, has no proven side effects, at least none in excess of those found with any prescription medicine. If it were not on the banned substances list, athletes could use it this way. Since it is, athletes are forced to procure it through shady sources, adding to the risk considerably.

    Secondly, HGH has NO PROVEN BENEFIT for younger athletes whose bodies are already making all of the growth hormone they can handle. Like vitamin supplements, GH ingested past what the body can use is flushed from the system.

    The only benefit to athletes comes to those in the later stages of their career, and even then the benefits of HGH are limited primarily to speeding injury recovery.

    In summary, HGH used properly under a doctor’s care poses no more risk than scores of legal remedies currently available and could add years to the careers of great athletes.

    How is this bad again?

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    First of all, it’s against the rules because it unnaturally enhances an athlete’s performance. There are guys playing in the NFL that wouldn’t be if not for a syringe full of something their own body doesn’t produce enough of. It’s fraudulent, plain and simple and gives an athlete a distinct tactical advantage. NFL fans can’t have it both ways – if you are going to crucify one player for allegedly bleeding off the air pressure in a football, you can’t turn a blind eye to another one who’s allegedly using a banned substance in order to remain competitive long after his body has told him that it’s time to hang up his cleats.

  80. First of all, it’s against the rules because it unnaturally enhances an athlete’s performance.

    No, it doesn’t.

    There are guys playing in the NFL that wouldn’t be if not for a syringe full of something their own body doesn’t produce enough of. It’s fraudulent, plain and simple and gives an athlete a distinct tactical advantage.

    Prove it.

    NFL fans can’t have it both ways – if you are going to crucify one player for allegedly bleeding off the air pressure in a football, you can’t turn a blind eye to another one who’s allegedly using a banned substance in order to remain competitive long after his body has told him that it’s time to hang up his cleats.

    I agree 100%. A player shouldn’t be crucified for allegedly bleeding off air pressure in a football, and I’m not turning a blind eye to a guy using a ban substance- I’m questioning why the substance is banned.

    Anything else?

  81. @twilightzone, you are forgetting the most egregious error of all when you forget about the phantom roughing the passer call in 1976 by Ben dreith on 4th down that gave raiders a first down and allow them to win the playoff game. Pats were the better team that day and got robbed big time because whoever won that game won SB. Dreith admitted years later he was a raider fan so don’t be telling pats fans how we got away with something. Tuck rule was a rule the refs rightfully enforced, the roughing the passer was a judgement call from a homer. Check out the play on you tube and you tell me if that was a penalty.

  82. cinzano08 says:
    Dec 27, 2015 11:57 AM
    @twilightzone, you are forgetting the most egregious error of all when you forget about the phantom roughing the passer call in 1976 by Ben dreith on 4th down that gave raiders a first down and allow them to win the playoff game. Pats were the better team that day and got robbed big time because whoever won that game won SB. Dreith admitted years later he was a raider fan so don’t be telling pats fans how we got away with something. Tuck rule was a rule the refs rightfully enforced, the roughing the passer was a judgement call from a homer. Check out the play on you tube and you tell me if that was a penalty.

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    Not to mention the fact that the Patriots themselves were victimized by the Tuck Rule earlier that very same season (against the Jets), but Raiders fans don’t seem to want to acknowledge this. They would rather believe that this rule was made up on-the-fly just to benefit the Patriots.

  83. Well, there you have it! This just in… the guy admitted he made the story up!!!!! Go figure! So all of you who wanted to tar and feather Peyton be gone before some drops a house on you!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, I always believed you, Peyton!

  84. No news here. Good job media on promptly reporting on NOTHING. Also, hats off to the idiots that reacted with he’s guilty, smoke there’s fire and too good to be true of a person. You are the suckers that keep those reporting fictions news wallets full. Pathetic…

    Funny thing is those same idiots have moved on from this fake report already on to the next joke of a story. Me – wasting my time.

  85. Here’s the deal. Manning did not deny shipments were received at his house. He says his wife needs them. There are legit medical reasons for having HGH. She may have one. But this same company was dealing with players -players who had not been caught – such as Ryan Howard, Julius Peppers and Ryan Zimmerman. Uhummm….this company is manufacturing HGH so it can’t be detected by the testing methods used!

    Why did Mrs Manning need HGH that could not be detected by sports testing? IMO she’d be getting HGH as prescribed by her Doctor.

  86. The NFL will be irrationally taking Indy or Denver’s #1 pick and a 2nd rounder the following year without actual evidence, right? I mean, Indy has pumped in noise and Denver has a history of fudging the salary cap/cheating in their Super Bowl years, so there’s a history there. Conversely, the idiots in the NFL offices could give back the Patriots’ picks they took without proof or reason. Doesn’t feel very fair or good, does it Horseshoe or Donkey fans? Shoe, other foot…

  87. For the record, if Manning did take HGH, it was not illegal to use in the NFL at the time he was allegedly taking it. Also, if you goofs will recall, this was during the NFL owner-forced lockout of all NFL players, so it REALLY is a non-event, if true.
    Much ado about nothing…

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