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Al Jazeera releases recording confirming that Sly worked for Guyer Institute in 2011

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The disputed report linking Peyton Manning to HGH has sparked a collateral skirmish that, while technically irrelevant, could be useful when parsing through the broader question of who’s telling the truth, and who isn’t.

The dispute arose on Sunday, when the Guyer Institute in Indianapolis disputed the notion that Charles Sly, the unwitting source of the Manning allegations, worked for the clinic in 2011.

“Both Manning and the operator of the anti-aging clinic maintained today that the informant worked at the clinic only in 2013,” Peter King of TheMMQB.com and NBC’s Football Night in America reported on Sunday night. “I talked to the Al Jazeera reporter late this afternoon who did this story and she told me that they have confirmation from the clinic that the informant’s employment records say that he worked there in 2011.”

King thereafter obtained a response from Dale Guyer of the Guyer Institute: “The information you have been provided is incorrect. Charles Sly was never an employee of The Guyer Institute. At the relevant time, Mr. Sly was a pharmacy student in Nevada who emailed us a request for an internship. Arrangements for his internship, including the specific start and end dates, were made through his school advisor. Mr. Sly began his unpaid student internship with us on February 18th, 2013. He had no patient responsibilities at any time. Further, he had no affiliation with our office prior to February 18th, 2013, and has had none subsequent to the conclusion of his internship in May of 2013. Hope this helps to clarify the dates in question.”

Now, Al Jazeera has released the recording of a phone call in which reporter Deborah Davies confirms that Sly’s internship began not in 2013 but in 2011. The request was made as an employment verification, and the person who answered the phone eventually provided a start date of October 17, 2011 and that he stayed for “like three months.”

It doesn’t mean that the allegations made by Sly when he didn’t know he was being recorded are accurate, but it’s a bright-line contention on which Al Jazeera is clearly right, and Guyer is clearly wrong. And it’s enough to invite curiosity regarding the accuracy of other strongly-worded assertions being made by someone who has plenty to lose if the things Sly said when he didn’t know he was being recorded are accurate.

The real question is whether folks with the authority to investigate or prosecute the possibly illegal dispensation of HGH will become sufficiently curious to start poking around. If that happens, anyone questioned would be wise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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  1. sonhoodoo says: Dec 29, 2015 3:57 PM

    Is this Al Jazeera guy Chris Mortenson’s new reporter name?

  2. sonhoodoo says: Dec 29, 2015 3:59 PM

    Umm, from what Peter King wrote, how does Manning know Sly’s dates of employment?

  3. unknownsniper says: Dec 29, 2015 4:01 PM

    Better Ingredient, Better Pizza HGH johns dot come.. i mean papa johns dot come

    phew.. that was close papa

  4. markaw31 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:01 PM

    Or plead the 5th, it sounds like.

  5. floratiotime says: Dec 29, 2015 4:01 PM

    So this entire thing is based on an intern at an anti-aging clinic. Yay hard news.

  6. patriotinvasion says: Dec 29, 2015 4:03 PM

    No other way to say it. GUILTY as charged. Tainted legacy of CHEATING.

    Like Florio says, this Guyer Institute has a lot to lose here so of course they are going to lie through their teeth.

    All the records the 2013 Broncos offense set are officially tarnished forever because we’ll never know if Peyton could through 55 touchdown passes clean.

  7. mashoaf says: Dec 29, 2015 4:04 PM

    Peyton Manning is the new Barry Bonds/ Rafael Palmero / Roger Clemons. If he was smart, he would talk with Andy Pettite.

  8. jucam1 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:05 PM

    MannRoid or “Steroids taste sooo goood!” This explains a lot about this overrated family. And it 100% explains how in the world a duffus like Eli won two SB’s. I thought it was black magic but now we have proof Eli had a “close family friend” sticking needles in him. Three fraud SBs between two cheating brothers!

  9. marthisdil says: Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM

    Hmm – even if Payton did use it, it wasn’t against any NFL rules, so it’s pointless.

    Sorta like Barry Bonds. If he had just come clean when asked, it would have been done and over with because it wasn’t against MLBs’ rules at the time either.

  10. jucam1 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM

    “Steroids taste sooo goood!” This explains a lot about this overrated family. And it 100% explains how in the world a duffus like Eli won two SB’s. I thought it was black magic but now we have proof Eli had a “close family friend” sticking needles in him. Three fraud SBs between two cheating brothers!

  11. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 4:10 PM

    I think that was the sound of the other shoe dropping.

  12. jgd3rd says: Dec 29, 2015 4:10 PM

    Who cares…let em all do roids, hgh, whatever….

  13. mrthumbs says: Dec 29, 2015 4:11 PM

    Welcome to America. No one tells the truth because the Court of Law has a clause called Reasonable Doubt. For example there is reasonable doubt I actually wrote this my account could have been hacked. Boom!

  14. jimnaizeeum says: Dec 29, 2015 4:13 PM

    AL Jazeera is now a trusted news source?

  15. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 4:14 PM

    jgd3rd says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:10 PM
    Who cares…let em all do roids, hgh, whatever….
    ———
    But what about the rules (and, of course, the children)?

  16. clelek05 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:14 PM

    Squirm! Squirm!

  17. learysdisciples says: Dec 29, 2015 4:15 PM

    Your whole case hinges on an intern and whether or not he may have been employed in 2011 or 2013. Yeah, this has got huge potential. Next.

  18. doggeatdogg says: Dec 29, 2015 4:15 PM

    This Guyer Institute has the same stench as Balco and the Biogenesis clinic. Do these specialists have an MD after their names. And Sly, so appropriately named, is in serious jeopardy for violating HIPAA laws.

    Even if true about Manning, he should be able to sue the pants off that place. Sly being an intern, had to be allowed in by contract with his college. Sly should go find that money he’ll owe Manning from whoever illegally recorded him. Also, that network is mighty late trying to find corroboration now for their story. They also need to realize that there is a huge distinction between what is an employee in a clinic, and what is an intern.

    Let’s say Manning is clean, they should write him a big check and a retraction. If he is not, then walk away with the denial. If the NFL decided to investigate with fervor, then I would like to know when HGH was declared illegal in the NFL though testing began this year if I’m not mistaken.

  19. One for the thumb says: Dec 29, 2015 4:16 PM

    jgd3rd says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:10 PM
    Who cares…let em all do roids, hgh, whatever….
    ____________________________________

    Anything that tarnishes the integrity of the shield is a 4 game suspension and a loss of a first round draft pick.

    It doesn’t matter if it made a difference in the games or not, rules are rules and breaking them is the worst thing possible ever.

  20. Various Writers says: Dec 29, 2015 4:17 PM

    After this little move by Al Jazeera, I bet we get fewer factual assertions from the Manning camp or Guyer trying to say how wrong they are. They now have to wonder if Al Jazeera will be able to refute, with video, whatever they say about Guyer and Ashley. Guyer Institute, and the Manning camp, lost a lot of cred today…one lie caught…what’s next?

  21. stevegrogannakedbootleg says: Dec 29, 2015 4:19 PM

    “steroid use reflects an improper effort to secure a competitive advantage in, and threatens the integrity of, the game.”

    A Two Face
    B Himler
    C Keanu
    D Neville Chamberlain

  22. scrp2 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:22 PM

    Not a lot people know that Manning’s wife plays for the Spokane Shock and threw for 211 TDs that year.

  23. godelligoodelligoo says: Dec 29, 2015 4:22 PM

    For those of you dissing Al Jazeera…its one of the more respectable names…
    Has won a bunch of awards for documentaries! & some even broadcast on PBS!
    so not all ‘Al’ is bad or vile!

  24. Packernet says: Dec 29, 2015 4:24 PM

    OK, they have a start date but no end date? What does “like three months” mean? Sounds fishy to me.

  25. godelligoodelligoo says: Dec 29, 2015 4:25 PM

    Now its more probable than not that Manning used HGH right?

  26. gwhite13 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:25 PM

    ESPN and NFL are working overtime calling in favors (peter king) to deflect and attack messenger.

    Just having HGH sent to home is enough to trigger a PED’s investigation…that will go nowhere.

    Per “liedell” PED’s=psi’s

    Peyton perfectly fits the HGH profile.

  27. quinzze says: Dec 29, 2015 4:25 PM

    HGH was sent to Manning’s wife….let that sink in….no one has denied that.

  28. tim2200 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:25 PM

    Peyton Manning has FOUR neck surgeries in a short period of time….comes back and plays some of his best ball AFTER those surgeries.

    Testing for HGH begins in 2014….Peyton Manning’s game declines SHARPLY and QUICKLY beginning in 2014.

    HGH is sent to Manning’s home and is addressed to his wife. (Look up Clemens and Romanowski)

    Personally I don’t care if every player in the NFL uses HGH. Helps them heal. Good for them.

    But that’s not the issue.

    This denial from Peyton doesn’t pass the slight whiff test nevermind the sniff test.

    And the Manning media lead by ESPN is bending over backwards to defend Manning and it is sickening.

    After all it was McNally and not Sly took those balls into the bathroom for 92 seconds……

  29. ozzie01453 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:30 PM

    In this country perception is reality, Guilt!!!! Charged!!!

  30. quickbooks12 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:30 PM

    jimnaizeeum says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:13 PM
    AL Jazeera is now a trusted news source?
    _____

    Internationally trusted. Speaks more of them than what the American media has led you to believe

  31. jocko1181 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:31 PM

    I don’t care if he took HGH. Everyone is on something. When guys leave the NFL and drop 100 pounds in a year, that confirms common sense that the size/physique of these players simply isn’t natural.

    Probably better off just accepting it.

  32. maksports98 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:34 PM

    No denial that his wife received HGH. Audio evidence from the clinic itself that Sly started in 2011. Statements made (unknowingly, granted) on video. Sly was made aware three weeks before the release of the documentary that he would be used as a source, yet he didn’t even bother to tell them that it was false and shouldn’t be reported. By no means is this enough to declare Manning guilty, but at the very least, enough circumstantial evidence exists where this must be looked at. Now, whether the NFL will try to dig deep is doubtful. They’ve botched multiple investigations, I think they are just going to sweep this under the rug.

  33. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 4:35 PM

    GUILTY

  34. celticsforever says: Dec 29, 2015 4:36 PM

    I don’t like Peyton Manning. I also don’t care about what he took in 2011. No harm no foul. Lame duck passes no withstanding.

  35. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 4:37 PM

    Calling it. Peyton* has taken his last snap for the Broncos or any other team.

    #TaintedLegacy
    #MeaninglessRecords

  36. pftreader69 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:38 PM

    I thought the best time for fishing expeditions was late January.

  37. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 4:39 PM

    Barry Bonds*
    Lance Armstrong*
    Roger Clemens*
    Alex Rodriguez*
    Rafael Palmeiro*
    The 70s Steelers*
    Peyton Manning*

  38. eessppnn says: Dec 29, 2015 4:43 PM

    As a life long Patriots fan I’d love to pile on!
    But really, some of this stuff really does have medicinal benefits aside from just making them something they aren’t.
    He was already a great regular season QB:) and post season flop, but it does fall right on his greatest regular season.
    He still flopped in the postseason…I think athletes ask a lot from their bodies and should be given somethings to help them recover. It is a slippery slope, but also hypocritical to say it tarnishes everything. This is a guy like many others who go through and risk long term health issues for our entertainment and their financial gain and fame.

  39. Aybtcr475 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:44 PM

    It’s ok sissy boys. Crybrady has his 4 game suspension coming to him.

  40. frozenrope15 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:44 PM

    Aren’t there legitimate reason why a woman especially older, would take HGH for fertility? Wasn’t his wife pregnant around that time? It’s one thing to attack the public figure if there is suspicion of cheating, but the wife who always has stayed out of the spotlight I would feel really awful if it’s turns out she needed help getting pregnant and now the ENTIRE world knows

  41. grogansheroes says: Dec 29, 2015 4:45 PM

    I want to see all the media hacks calling out Peyton. I mean if someone says something it must be true right? i want to see Brunell crying on BSPN about how Peyton cheated. I want to see a column from Doyel about the cheating Manning.
    No, we get all these apologists making excuses for him.
    Why was not Brady given the benefit of the doubt? I mean he never teabagged a female trainer in college.
    Why is Peyton so holy, and brady so vilified?
    Is it because one is a winner, and one a fantasy winner?

    I have nothing against Manning, just want him to get the same media and fan treatment as Brady.

  42. purplengold says: Dec 29, 2015 4:47 PM

    jimnaizeeum says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:13 PM
    AL Jazeera is now a trusted news source?
    —-
    It has been so for a long time.

  43. plum54 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:51 PM

    Goodell already said PED use is worthy of a 4 game suspension, human growth hormone is a PED. Goodell & his cronies need to go after Manning just as hard as they went after Tom Brady. There is actual evidence against Manning. His wife was a patient @ the clinic. the NFL already admitted in court they had no evidence against Tom yet continue to go after him.There should not be a double standard, but already there is. If this allegation was against Tom there would be another Well’s investigation.
    Guess Tom should have said he was going to sue, maybe then the NFL would have corrected the erroneous PSI levels that prejudiced others against Tom & started framegate.

  44. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 4:55 PM

    If the Guyer and Sly are telling the truth, there should be records to show that. Al Jazeera at this point has offered a video recording to “prove” their allegations. But, is there any proof they actually contacted the clinic and not a collaborator?

    What’s really amusing about all this is except for a few who have said wait for proof, the same people who cried out for brady to be treated as such, are the ones that are the lynch mob (and it won’t even stain from others try as you might). There’s a word for it… hypocritical. As for me, I could care less about Manning, but I do enjoy pointing out the obvious, and presenting information that thus far has been omitted.

  45. bencoates57 says: Dec 29, 2015 4:57 PM

    Holy! And Manning did not deny that HGH was shipped to his wife. I guess the spouse and the spouse’s medical privacy is a good cover. Those closest to Manning wondered how he could even throw again let alone throw 55 TDs in a season

    This story is not going away anytime soon.

  46. hcgraves says: Dec 29, 2015 5:00 PM

    He should have destroyed his cell phone to hide guilt like Tom Brady did.
    #taintedtitles

  47. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 5:02 PM

    “Al Jazeera releases recording confirming that Sly worked for Guyer Institute in 2011”
    —————
    Can they also confirm the number the called and the person they spoke with were actually the employees at the clinic? Just asking. Not that they would possibly make it up in an effort to support their “journalism”.

  48. nflexecutivesconstantlylie says: Dec 29, 2015 5:07 PM

    frozenrope15 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:44 PM

    Aren’t there legitimate reason why a woman especially older, would take HGH for fertility? Wasn’t his wife pregnant around that time? It’s one thing to attack the public figure if there is suspicion of cheating, but the wife who always has stayed out of the spotlight I would feel really awful if it’s turns out she needed help getting pregnant and now the ENTIRE world knows
    _________________________________
    Manning’s twins were born in March of 2011. If we assume the standard gestation period it would not make sense for her to receive fertility therapy at any point in 2011.

  49. patfanken says: Dec 29, 2015 5:08 PM

    Count me among those who wouldn’t have batted an eye if Manning has said, “Yeh I took HGH in the off season to help me heal from mulitple surgeries.” I wouldn’t have thought any of his records or accomplishments tainted.

    In fact the ONLY thing that has me pissed is the hypocrisy the NFL and their media proxies have handled the news when it broke, compared to how it handled Brady and “defamegate”.

    Remember the same media sources and pundits that allowed Brady to be considered guilty until proven innocent, are now asking use to consider Manning innocent until prove guilty. THAT is the crime here.

    Now that team Manning have already been caught in a series of lies, and it has become more apparent that ever that Manning has never denied that HGH was sent to his wife, this is not going to be buried like I originally thought.

  50. dansardo says: Dec 29, 2015 5:10 PM

    I don’t think there is enough evidence to prove Peyton is guilty of anything but I find it very interesting that the same people that are convinced Brady is guilty despite the fact every reputable scientist that has reviewed the wells report has claimed the evidence proves the exact opposite of the findings are defending Peyton with no proof of all of wether he is guilty or innocent.

  51. widerightyouloseagain says: Dec 29, 2015 5:13 PM

    He’s as guilty as sin itself and he stoled Favre’s record, like a thief in the night.

  52. BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says: Dec 29, 2015 5:14 PM

    Venerable Axium, here’s the difference.

    1. The people that were calling for Brady did to get a fair trial, did NOT get one. Therefore they are calling for mMnning as well to be fed to the vultures. And they should be.

    2. What Manning allegedly did, is a criminal offense. If Manning did take prescription drugs, he is not only a cheater but he is a CRIMINAL. And as much as you don’t like it, there is plenty enough evidence to raise “probable cause “

  53. rayslover727 says: Dec 29, 2015 5:16 PM

    jgd3rd says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:10 PM
    Who cares…let em all do roids, hgh, whatever….
    …………………..

    I don’t know why comments like these get thumbs down. It makes perfect sense. Pro athletes are entertainers, nothing more. I don’t care if my favorite actors/actresses use coke, and I don’t care if my favorite musicians use heroin. Until this country, and indeed humanity, comes out of denial about drugs and psychoactive substances, the cycle of mindless stupidity and destruction will continue.

  54. knowspinzone says: Dec 29, 2015 5:17 PM

    Mortensen says there is no truth to any of this and he received it from an un-named reliable Manning family source. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

  55. gofor2with3pointlead says: Dec 29, 2015 5:17 PM

    First of all, the NE fans commenting here couldn’t be more petty or infantile. Secondly, a buddy of mine has the Al Jezeera “piece” which it was my misfortune to suffer through. As with most anything, I’d strongly recommend that, if you are capable of objective thought and haven’t predetermined what’s what and who’s who, take the time, which you will never be able to get back, and watch it. It took no small measure of self restraint not to characterize the Al Jazeera piece for what I think it is, and I’m not a Manning fan.

  56. realfootballfan says: Dec 29, 2015 5:18 PM

    I guess he misremembered. Right, Roger, I mean Peyton. Should have left it alone because when they start digging, a whole lot of people are going to get pinched on this one. There isn’t enough hero worship in the world to make that many people fall on the sword.

  57. maksports98 says: Dec 29, 2015 5:19 PM

    @hcgraves

    Well, Peyton appears to be using his wife as an excuse to receive HGH shipments. Until he or his camp deny that his wife received HGH, that’s much worse than Brady destroying a cell phone in which the NFL had records of all of his communications with McNally and Jastremski anyway. But, don’t let facts get in the way of anything.

  58. jimsnchz says: Dec 29, 2015 5:21 PM

    Growth Hormone, HGH, does certainly have an impact on healing. Also has been show to slow aging. Is not going to give someone super human powers. To get that it needs to be coupled with an anabolic or some T, see Clay Matthews. I’m a big Manning fan, I think he probably did try HGH to recover. But when he came back and threw 55 TD’s it’s not like he was throwing lasers. Same wobbly slow balls he threw before the injury and since the injury. Just wanted to get back faster.

  59. varangia says: Dec 29, 2015 5:25 PM

    AJ may have been chosen to release the story because no American publications would touch the story. Any more, you have to read the foreign press to find out what’s going on over here.

  60. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 5:29 PM

    hcgraves says:
    Dec 29, 2015 5:00 PM
    He should have destroyed his cell phone to hide guilt like Tom Brady did.
    #taintedtitles
    ———-
    On the other hand, if it can prove he’s innocent, he wouldn’t want to destroy it, now would he.

  61. Blindsquirrelsfindnuts says: Dec 29, 2015 5:29 PM

    frozenrope15 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:44 PM
    Aren’t there legitimate reason why a woman especially older, would take HGH for fertility? Wasn’t his wife pregnant around that time? It’s one thing to attack the public figure if there is suspicion of cheating, but the wife who always has stayed out of the spotlight I would feel really awful if it’s turns out she needed help getting pregnant and now the ENTIRE world knows

    2 5
    Report

    ————–1
    No there aren’t legitimate reasons why a woman would take HGH for fertility. They are given specific types of hormones to perform specific jobs. Clomid or serophene are given to regulate ovulation and others like HCG are used to help trigger the ovaries to release mature eggs. Human growth hormone isn’t used during pregnancy, this info is from an uninformed tweet that has been repeated as fact.

  62. patsfan1820 says: Dec 29, 2015 5:31 PM

    Manning hasn’t refuted the fact that his wife received HGH nor did he deny visiting the facility. The media is trying to protect Manning but they cant do it for much longer.

  63. devilsmetsgiants says: Dec 29, 2015 5:32 PM

    Screw it. Let’s just make HGH mandatory for all athletes.

  64. pondbridge says: Dec 29, 2015 5:34 PM

    Washington Post article yesterday recorded his license at a pharma intern in Indiana starting in 2010, through 2013. Why would Sly take out such a license if he didn’t intend to operate in that state then?

  65. fireroger says: Dec 29, 2015 5:35 PM

    Things we know for certain …

    The people that slammed Brady will defend Manning.
    The people that defended Brady will slam Manning.
    None of those people are in a position to be doing either.

    Facts? Puhleeezzee. Why would that matter?

  66. varangia says: Dec 29, 2015 5:36 PM

    The wife has to answer if she got HGH. If she did, Manning’s goose is cooked.

  67. jackybadass says: Dec 29, 2015 5:42 PM

    He’s guilty like all the rest of them. He should have retired

  68. mrlaloosh says: Dec 29, 2015 5:58 PM

    I did notice that Mannings melon head seems bigger than ever.
    BTW, none of his children are biological. So the wife taking HGH for fertility purposes is a red herring.

  69. burgandy2260 says: Dec 29, 2015 6:03 PM

    Somebody is lying here and the bad part is that it’s probably the pros who got caught.

  70. jcmeyer10 says: Dec 29, 2015 6:08 PM

    I don’t really care one way or the other but the difference in responses between Brady’s case and Manning’s case is more telling than his guilt or innocence.

  71. eyeandfootballofhorus says: Dec 29, 2015 6:31 PM

    i think most commenters here would benefit to actually watch the documentary. this ‘sly’ guy has been presented thus far in the media as a simple ‘intern’, which is a title that has the suggestion of a certain naivete.

    kids….friends…romans…countrymen…pats, colts and broncos fans–hate to break it to you, but this guy is up to his ears in performance enhancing drugs. i mean, he’s absolutely drowning–both from the drugs themselves and incriminating video.

    al jeezera is not the problem. the pushback of prominent figures defending manning in our media is. they’re hoping to contain it, so they’re out front en mass trying to control the narrative as best they can.

    having watched only half the documentary, i gotta agree with a previous poster; this story is NOT going away anytime soon.

  72. mattyj7183 says: Dec 29, 2015 6:50 PM

    Funny that the NFL and ESPN are trying hard to brush thus under the rug but if this was a New England quarterback with the initials of TB, this would be front page news and phrases like tarnished legacy would be thrown around. Good thing HGH doesn’t impact the integrity of the game…

  73. buckybadger says: Dec 29, 2015 7:31 PM

    People can make their racist comments and try to brush the story aside or call it untrustworthy just because it is Al Jazeera but they are one of the few media outlets that actually check their facts and actually look for confirmation instead of just running out and tweeting anything just to be first. I am a Packer fan and I watched the documentary. I would be worried. The evidence is strong and won’t be ignored just because you like some of the players. More names will fall as well.

  74. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 7:39 PM

    Im glad Peyton* got destroyed in the Super Bowl a couple years ago.

    That is exactly what cheaters deserve.
    :)

  75. gofor2with3pointlead says: Dec 29, 2015 8:16 PM

    Which is the bigger sign of the fall of Western civilization? That petulant doofuses rush to defend an organization that would love nothing more than to initiate that fall?Or that admitted felons are recruited by the organization to run a sting that gets shady characters to boast about supplying famous athletes with supplements and drugs banned as performance inhanncing? Or that the general public/casual football fan is so willing to believe and eager to see the fall of said athletes? Its all a very sad commentary on our culture if you ask me.

  76. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 8:30 PM

    I wonder what PEDton Manning did to cheat today?

    Cheaters do what cheaters do.
    :)

  77. buckyhamm says: Dec 29, 2015 8:52 PM

    STILLlolatpatshaters

    ******

    Got bitter? LOL !! You must live in a glass house … smh

  78. hockeyflow30 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:18 PM

    Peter King, Mortensen and the rest of the morons in the media are absolute garbage for their preferential treatment with Manning vs Brady. It’s downright embarrassing that in both cases, there was no evidence of any cheating and yet the two players could not be handled any differently.

    ESPN and that ilk should be embarrassed.

  79. sasquatch77 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:53 PM

    2011 versus 2013; what the heck is the difference?! Here’s a question for you…
    If you were working for the Guyer Institute, and you were in charge of running the HGH mail order ring that supplies half-a-dozen high profile clients, would you let a three month long intern in on the scheme?

    I mean, I’m a Manning fan who thinks he absolutely could be guilty of this, but that part I just can’t figure out.

  80. alzadox says: Dec 29, 2015 10:55 PM

    A really important thing that I haven’t seen noted by PFT is that there is very credible evidence that the Guyer prescribed and sold HGH for off label uses that are not legal. Colts beat writer named Kravitz has written that Guyer prescribed and sold him HGH for chronic fatigue – clearly not a legal HGH prescription

    As far as whether folks with the authority to investigate or prosecute the possibly illegal dispensation of HGH will become sufficiently curious to start poking around I would certainly think they would—really can’t imagine they wouldn’t.

    Starting with the Guyer Institute which could easily get shut down. I do agree with Manning that his wife’s medical stuff should be private, but if Guyer did something illegal for her it seems like it could legitimately come out via the prosecution of Guyer or maybe even in civil litigation

    And certainly Sly who seemed to feel he could give out any confidential medical information he wanted to– some confidential medical info he gave out has already been confirmed by both sides. And the documentary itself documents credibly that Sly was very knowledgeable and heavily involved in distribution of PEDs to athletes.

    And the NFL and WADA have already said they are interested.

    I don’t know what jurisdiction/under whose laws Manning would be suing in but it seems like Al Jazeera has done more than enough to protect itself from a defamation suit. While it’s very possible that Sly was exaggerating some things he said on video to get Liam’s business, Al Jazeera has done it’s diligence in collaborating what it could. Al Jazeera’s release first of the transcript of the phone call confirming Sly’s association with Guyer, then later the recording of the phonecall was good I do wish they showed a close-up of the phone number called on the phone’s display so there would be no question whether they were talking to the Guyer Institute. Here in California it’s illegal to record both sides of a phonecall without permission of both parties (including on speakerphone) but it’s legal in most states. Anyway, not surprised that Manning seems to be going the PR/ spin control route though I really wonder about Ari Fleischer’s credibility with the public.

    Sly’s blanket denial of the truth of everything he said is garbage – false, self-protective, self-serving; at least some of what he said is already proven true and agreed on by both sides. And his explanation that he gave out confidential medical info to a fraudster to test him is largely preposterous. Al Jazeera also puts it up front in documentary that Liam has been involved in a scam in the past.

    One statement that Al Jazeera has made that they have not produced any evidence of is that they are certain that Manning’s wife Ashley was mailed HGH at her Florida address by Guyer. What is Al Jazeera’s solid evidence that this is true? Can they disclose it without violating Ashley Manning’s privacy? Have they already violated her privacy?

    As far as the legality of the secret videotaping of Sly and Al Jazeera airing it I was wondering if Florio could comment since this seems to be his thing. Is it different for the media? It seems they have legitimate need to protect themselves from defamation and to put out stuff of public interest and this seems like a fair way to do it to me, although here in California it may be illegal. California has really strict privacy laws so extreme that the downside is anyone can make illegal threats and intimidation over the phone with impunity, among other things; and recordings made without knowledge of both parties when there is a reasonable expectation of privacy (including in your pad/ at your refrigerator) are illegal from the moment they are made under California privacy law even if the person recording them keeps them securely private and the contents recorded are not even private matters, which can lead to absurd situations where a person who was recorded can lie about what they said or did and the documentation of the truth (the recording) is illegal and can’t even be used for rebuttal

  81. mr johannes says: Dec 29, 2015 10:55 PM

    gofor2with3pointlead says:
    Dec 29, 2015 8:16 PM
    Which is the bigger sign of the fall of Western civilization? ….

    The biggest sign of the fall of Western Civilization is pure unfiltered Democracy – but that’s for another discussion about those silly Federalists and their ideas on the concept of government .

    Perhaps you’d be better served first by distinguishing for yourself this case of speculation about ol’ Peyton versus the unfounded speculation of Thomas “Winston Churchill” Brady and a made-up scheme to artificially deflate footballs. See, otherwise those clever ironists comes knocking on your door.

    Now, true, you may have your opinion; but alas, your opinion cannot be taken seriously if you believe one of the above is guilty because you simply don’t like them; while the other aforementioned is being defamed because you do. Because, well…contradictions, and you know, where there’s contradictions of course there’s those humorous ironists once again

  82. oldmanbirdfan says: Dec 30, 2015 12:25 AM

    t. Charles Sly was never an employee of The Guyer Institute. At the relevant time, Mr. Sly was a pharmacy student in Nevada who emailed us a request for an internship. Arrangements for his internship, including the specific start and end dates, were made through his school advisor.
    —————

    You are taking great liberty using the word truth
    You have two different stories, with no obvious truth or non truth to either one….. All one would have to do is find the school records and dates……ther is nothing in your article that would stand up in court …,,,, you would have to have the documents to proceed , all that you have in this article is here say…..period ….. Why not call the school and find out if the dates are correct, they would know, short of having the personnel files from Guyer…. The truth of these dates will come out, but even then while it makes you think, is not direct proof of guilt

  83. footballfungi says: Dec 30, 2015 8:02 AM

    Facts:

    – Sly has distributed HGH to pro athletes
    – Sly was a registered pharmacy intern in Indiana from 2010 to 2013
    – Sly worked at the Guyer Institute. Al Jazeera released audio evidence that he started there on 10/7/11, but Guyer said he was there in 2013
    – The Guyer Institute distributes HGH to patients
    – Manning and his wife were patients at The Guyer Institute in 2011

    Those facts raise valid suspicions.

  84. dingusgenius says: Dec 30, 2015 9:51 AM

    I really love all the people questioning the legitimacy/credibility of Al Jazeera as if there is some reason for it other than being scared of things that connote Arabs/Muslims.

    Here’s a clue folks: Al Jazeera is one of the most trusted, credible, and unbiased news sources in the world.

  85. dingusgenius says: Dec 30, 2015 9:59 AM

    “Things we know for certain …

    The people that slammed Brady will defend Manning.
    The people that defended Brady will slam Manning.
    None of those people are in a position to be doing either.

    Facts? Puhleeezzee. Why would that matter?”

    Nope. You’ll probably see a handful of trolls that defended Brady bash Manning. I can tell you that the majority of Pats fans couldn’t care less if Manning did HGH or not, or whether he lied about it. What those people will be doing is pointing out, laughing at, and otherwise mocking the blatant hypocrisy and selective outrage presented by the media/public reaction to Manning as opposed to Brady. Because we all know if this were Brady the media/public firestorm would be in full effect. No one can deny that. If they do they are not to be taken seriously about anything.

  86. hatersgonnahatehate says: Dec 30, 2015 1:03 PM

    Privacy laws regarding wiretapping (being recorded without your knowledge) vary by state. I remember learning about that during the Lewinsky affair

  87. thejetssuck2001 says: Dec 30, 2015 1:07 PM

    love how you all think we should wait to determine mannings guilt, yet anyone can say anything slanderous about new england they want, and its taken as fact. liberal america, where the loser is more celebrated than the winner bc you feel bad for the loser, because you can relate.

  88. thejetssuck2001 says: Dec 30, 2015 1:11 PM

    also why are you so convinced that manning didnt do what he had to do? his legacy is one of a choker, and he made a run at shaking that moniker w the broncos in 2013, only to choke again. i think he did it. i dont believe him. i dont need proof. if you dont need proof to convict brady, then i dont need proof to know manning did this bc the circumstances are too suspicious for me to believe theres nothing there. why is his head so much larger now that just a few years ago?

  89. helmetcatch says: Dec 30, 2015 1:46 PM

    The legitimacy of this recording is questionable.

    1. Why does the Guyer rep not even ask the reporter her name or get any info. She just gives a random caller a person’s employment info

    2. The Guyer rep retrieves the start date after putting the reporter on hold, in approximately 2 to 2.5 seconds! We are talking about an intern who worked there for 3 months, and she was not expecting this call. Yet she was able to retrieve the start date faster than humanly possible.

  90. leitskev says: Dec 30, 2015 4:05 PM

    Asterisk, right?

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