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Al Jazeera reporter stresses that no allegation is being made against Peyton Manning

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The media company that shook up the Sunday NFL news cycle is suddenly working hard to backpedal from the thrust of its report.

Appearing on NBC’s Today, the Al Jazeera reporter primarily responsible for the story that included a claim of HGH use by quarterback Peyton Manning argued that the report doesn’t actually claim that Manning used HGH.

“We have not said that in the program,” Deborah Davies said, via SportsBusiness Daily. “The only allegation in the program from Charlie Sly is that growth hormone was sent repeatedly from the Guyer [Institute] to Ashley Manning in Florida. We’re not making the allegation against Peyton Manning.”

Added Davies elsewhere in the interview:  “Let’s make it clear what the allegation is. The allegation in the program is very simple, that when Charlie Sly worked in the Guyer [Institute] doing part of his training . . . the clinic was sending out not one shipment but repeated shipments of growth hormone to Ashley Manning in Florida. That’s it.”

But that’s not the impression Sly created in the documentary.

“All the time we would be sending Ashley Manning drugs,” Sly said, via the original (and now updated) Huffington Post item on the matter, which touched off a firestorm. “Like growth hormone, all the time, everywhere, Florida. And it would never be under Peyton’s name, it would always be under her name.”

Given the context, as crafted by the Huffington Post article that flowed from Al Jazeera giving exclusive advance access to the documentary, the allegation that the Guyer Institute was sending HGH to Ashley Manning is part of a broader (albeit implied) allegation that the drugs were meant for Peyton.

While no one has denied that Ashley Manning received HGH, the entire point of the story is to suggest that it was for Peyton, not Ashley.

The tactic (essentially, “we’re not saying/we’re just saying”) isn’t a surprising strategy, especially with Peyton Manning suggesting that he may sue for defamation. But while it’s a subtle shift on the surface, it’s a very real change in the tone of the report.

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  1. BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says: Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    Well, well, well.

    It looks like Manning is a little paranoid about the whole situation. Somethings fishy here.

    *Manning hitting the juice*

    *****TAINTED LEGACY*****

  2. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    Peyton* should have gotten advice on involving his wife in his cheating scheme from Roger and Debbie Clemens.🙂

  3. churchofthehoody says: Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    So why was a then pregnant woman receiving boxes upon boxes of HGH???

  4. footballfanatic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:04 AM

    Already back pedaling, now if you Pats fans want you can keep calling Peyton a ‘cheater’ to try and justify your own QB’s actions. Even if Peyton did this, that doesnt justify or excuse your cheating QB’s actions in any way shape or form, it just means BOTH qb’s have tainted careers and asterisks. But, nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.

  5. ibelievebrady says: Dec 29, 2015 10:04 AM

    Peyton admits being treated at clinic. Clinic is known to give HGH to patients. Peyton didn’t deny wife was sent HGH. Said what she does medically is her business not his. Had a career year at age 37 after 4 neck surgeries. I’d say it’s more probable than not he used HGH.

  6. dasportsninja says: Dec 29, 2015 10:06 AM

    I think HGH and steroids should be used openly and freely by any or all athletes. If they are willing to load up on drugs to put a better product on the field, that’s their business.

  7. ravensfan56 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:08 AM

    I’m still laughing about Brandon Weeden and Jerrah Jones.

  8. nyjfan111 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:10 AM

    “, the Al Jazeera reporter primarily responsible for the story that included a claim of HGH use by quarterback Peyton Manning argued that the report doesn’t actually claim that Manning used HGH”

    That’s ridiculous. Regardless of what anyone’s opinion is, it’s clear that the purpose of the story was to accuse Peyton of using. It doesn’t need to be clearly stated, just like people don’t need to tell you that water is wet. The reporter knew the effect that a headline like this would have.

  9. dcpatfan says: Dec 29, 2015 10:12 AM

    No need to explain peypey. I too am furious, angry and disgusted every time I watch you get “coddled” by your cult of devotees all while the true GOAT brings in the Cake with scraps…..
    Here’s to the Brockos! He earned his respect.

  10. superpatriotsfan says: Dec 29, 2015 10:12 AM

    Peyton should consult Brady* and the Pats* how to deny allegations and destroy evidence.

  11. jacobslatter says: Dec 29, 2015 10:13 AM

    Always thought Peyton looked guilty of somethin’……..

  12. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:13 AM

    “All the time we would be sending Ashley Manning drugs,” Sly said, via the original (and now updated) Huffington Post item on the matter, which touched off a firestorm. “Like growth hormone, all the time, everywhere, Florida. And it would never be under Peyton’s name, it would always be und

    —-

    Yeah and we are supposed to believe she would get this drug from Peyton’s clinic and not her ob/gyn. And a drug that is off label to boot. Riiiiiiight.

    This could get very ugly very quickly folks. We’re talking violations of federal laws here. Use and prescription of off label HGH is a federal crime. I don’t have anything against Peyton* but I do loathe cheating and cheaters. There better be nothing to this story for his sake but it’s not looking good….

  13. billswillnevermove says: Dec 29, 2015 10:13 AM

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    Peyton* should have gotten advice on involving his wife in his cheating scheme from Roger and Debbie Clemens.
    __________________________________
    I’d really worry about your own team. They have been caught cheating way more than Peyton has. The HGH was for Peyton’s wife, she had twins and was taking it for a pregnancy issue.

  14. routerunner says: Dec 29, 2015 10:14 AM

    Look, just because a known dope provider worked at the same place that an ego-driven, aging, injured, football star went for treatment, then PEDs were sent to that star’s house in the name of his wife, that doesn’t mean he was the one to use them.

    I’m sure it was all just a coincidence.

    Was it more probable than not? Of course, but since when is that used as a standard of proof for anything meaningful…

  15. RegisHawk says: Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    At this point, there isn’t even proof that HGH was sent to his wife. It’s an allegation. If you Pats apologists want to claim that an allegation is a fact, then you can admit that Brady cheated.

  16. BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says: Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    Brady was found guilty? That’s funny.

    Last I checked he was innocent by Federal Law.
    🙂

  17. ricko1112 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:17 AM

    Come on! We all know that the NFL will never punish their “Golden Boy!” Peyton has played for the 2 dirtiest teams in NFL history! The Broncos and Colts.

    Denver: Paying millions of $ under the table above and beyond the salary cap in order to keep Elway and Davis during their 2 SB *victories. Vaseline smeared on uniforms. Teaching the offensive line illegal chop block techniques designed to injure opponents.

    Indy: Caught several times piping in phony crowd noise. Once on live TV. Seen by several teams with needles on the sidelines. They even admitted in the Wells Report to tampering with the football they intercepted in the AFCCG! Lying on their injury report. Losing games on purpose in the infamous and blatantly obvious “Suck for Luck” campaign. They even printed t-shirts! They began the lie known as Deflategate, which was disproven in court!

    Now his wife receives shipments of HGH.

    Again, the NFL will NEVER punish Manning!

  18. nfloracle says: Dec 29, 2015 10:17 AM

    Of course it was for Peyton. Most people in sports caught red handed in a drug scandal go into denial and then start protesting as loudly and often as Manning has the past few days.

    And that’s not to mention hiring the infamous truth manipulator and propagandist Ari “All Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do” Fleischer.

    I would have given Manning the benefit of the doubt if he hadn’t hired that guy. Once Manning made that hire, I came on board with the “where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire” crowd.

    I just wish the sports media would dig into this story with the vigor they put into Deflategate… it seems to me like Manning’s getting a pass from a lot of writers who should know there’s more to the allegations than meets the eye.

  19. hellawaitsusall says: Dec 29, 2015 10:17 AM

    Consider the source people. I would never believe anything any news outlet reports, American or not.

  20. vancouversportsbro says: Dec 29, 2015 10:18 AM

    Funny how Pats trolls are in here trying to add fuel to the fire. Pot calling kettle?

  21. truthfactory says: Dec 29, 2015 10:19 AM

    This is pretty simple to solve… The guy and the clinic said he didn’t work there until 2013, and even then it was a 3 month un-paid internship.

    Al Jazeria said they confirmed that he worked there in 2011. Why can’t Al Jazeria simply provide what proof they have that he actually worked there in 2011? That would go a long way towards giving credibility to the story.

    If they haven’t properly vetted a fairly simple fact, then their credibility goes flying out the window.

    If you’re going to drag a guy through the mud, you should at least be able to prove that the accuser and Manning were at least in a position to meet and speak before you publish a report of this magnitude. Simply saying “trust us, we verified he worked there at the time” is laughable considering the mud they are slinging here.

  22. lscottman3 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:19 AM

    nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.
    ==============================

    Brady has been proven to cheat?

    and found guilty?

    really?

    and you say this to justify what?

    lets put it this way, Brady this year has been great, again, the NFL can’t admit that there is no proof that balls were deflated, NO PROOF.

    Manning unfortunately had a horrible injury, that if not in football, would have been prescribed HGH to promote healing.

    His legacy is safe in my mind, whether he did or not use HGH.

    Brady has been railroaded led by a few influential jealous owners in Godell’s ear.

    anyone looking at Brady’s allegations unbiased knows that he did nothing wrong.

    Bu the haters can’t admit it.

    laughing as they said this year his “small hands” and correct pressure balls would be the end of him.

    Yet they can’t admit they were wrong.

  23. routerunner says: Dec 29, 2015 10:20 AM

    Oh he also said he provided to James Harrison, Clay Matthews, Ryan Howard, Julius Peppers, and a couple other ballplayers. I don’t know about you but those guys scream “clean” to me. Especially Harrison and Matthews. Those guys are on nothing but chicken breast and good old fashioned gumption.

  24. jag1959 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:20 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:04 AM
    But, nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.
    _________________

    Except , of course, he hasn’t. Nothing has been proven about either of them. If anything all of the publicly available documents prove the opposite. Brady was only ‘found guilty’ in the headlines and folks posting differently are simply showing that’s all they’ve read. Educate yourselves people.
    And this comes from a Giants fan

  25. BobbyHanks63 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:20 AM

    It’s not unknown that personal medical conditions are not subject to public review but we are talking about one of the greatest Quarterbacks in NFL history and since all that has happened to Manning during his rehabilitation from his injuries and several operations, you would have to say, he does fit the profile of someone who could use some HGH and it would seem like Ashley Manning could say what the hell she had to use human growth hormone for? I put the shoe on the other foot and propose that if it was Giselle Bunchen Brady having HGH delivered to her door would there not be a medium storm like no other? The hypocrisy of the NFL, sport reporters and sports biggies like ESPN are hard to stomach. Come on how many women do you know that have to take HGH at her age? None I have ever known. Jose Canseco was right after all and these guys will lie through their teeth to protect their legacy. If he’s innocent his wife could make that a lot more believable but I’m betting she won’t and it makes me wonder why.

  26. firecracker87 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:21 AM

    Oh I get it, they’re just saying “its more probable than not, that he was at least generally aware”.

  27. quinzze says: Dec 29, 2015 10:21 AM

    This has nothing to do with Payton Manning cheating for Patriots fans , it has EVERYTHING to do with the hypocrisy of the people that crucified Brady but give Manning a free pass.

  28. lscottman3 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:21 AM

    billswillnevermove

    I’d really worry about your own team.

    ==================================

    LMAO, no worries in NE, et tu?

  29. footballfanatic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:21 AM

    routerunner says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:14 AM

    Pats fans: yea brady lobbied to get rid of low PSI levels b/c he likes underinflated balls, yes he denied even knowing what “psi” means until 2 yrs ago even tho he lobbied against it 8 yrs ago, yes his ball boy calls himself ‘the deflator’, yes 11 balls were found underinflated, one a full 2 PSI low, yes he destroyed his cell phone after the investigation started……..but he’s innocent. ONE story comes out that Peyton MAY have used HGH at a time he wasnt employed by the NFL (meaning u cant cheat if you arent employed) so he deserves an asterisk. You pats fans never seem to amaze us realistic ppl. Oh and Pats PURPOSELY lost to the Jets. lol. IF the NFL finds Peyton guilty, then give him an asterisk, just like Tom Brady now has. If that makes you feel better about your cheating QB then ok.

  30. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:22 AM

    Peyton*, Lance, Barry, A-Rod, Roger

    A list of some of the most elite cheats that sport has ever seen.

    #WellTheyAre

  31. quizlingclinic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:22 AM

    This is not a back pedal at all. Manning was the one who denied he ever used PEDs, even though he was never actually accused of that in the first place.

    It’s a classic Nixon-era/beltway non-denial denial: Be accused of A, deny you did B and hope nobody calls you on it.

    Having said that, this is NOT good news for Manning at all. Still left unanswered is did his wife get (illegal) shipments of HGH to their home at the same exact time that Manning was rehabbing for a major injury? Let’s her them deny that and we”ll be onto something.

    Of course they won’t, as they have essentially admitted to it.

    All this means is the legal authorities (not ESPN/THe NFL etc) will be investigating these allegations and it will alll come out in the end. Just like BALCO, just llike that Miami PED shop that brought down Armstrong.

    Mannning can deny he used all he wants, but it sure looks like HGH was in his home illegally .

    People are going to go to jail for this.

  32. chuckshontaspads says: Dec 29, 2015 10:23 AM

    What is more incriminating? A game day employee referring to himself once in May of 2014 as “The Deflator” or HGH being sent to an athlete’s wife when said athlete traveled outside the U.S. to seek medical treatment, was rehabbing from 4 neck surgery’s and went on the next year to break all passing records at the age of 38….Those are the FACTS man.

  33. jvw1982 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:23 AM

    It amazes me that Peyton wouldn’t understand how bad that looks….He has neck surgery and in the same yr his wife starts receiving HGH shipments to their home….thats why his denial doesn’t pass the sniff test, he knows unless a paper trail surfaces with his name on it, it will be his word against al jazeera….no test will prove he took it…..to be honest I wouldn’t blame him for taking it, I don’t consider that cheating when you are trying to come back from a devastating injury at the tail end of your career….he is trying to get healthy not to get an unfair advantage while healthy….thats why if he came out and said yea i took it while recovering from the serious neck surgeries before the NFL banned it, he would get a pass…..

  34. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:23 AM

    I would have given Manning the benefit of the doubt if he hadn’t hired that guy. Once Manning made that hire, I came on board with the “where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire” crowd

    —-
    ^
    This.

  35. HGH Will Make Your Fore Head HUGE!!!!!! says: Dec 29, 2015 10:23 AM

    There could be videos of Manning getting HGH injections, where Manning explicitly agrees that he is getting HGH injections, and meanwhile the “Brady broke his phone” crowd will still think Manning is innocent and Brady is “guilty”

  36. redrew says: Dec 29, 2015 10:25 AM

    Vast amounts of HGH were sent to the Manning’s residences….fact……not being denied. How the consumer of these facts processes the info is not Al Jazeera’s problem. At no point does Al Jazeera make claims that Peyton was the intended recipient….but his Pharmacist does.
    Go read Bob Kravitz’s (Indy reporter) experience with the Guyer Institute. Years ago, he met with Dr. Guyer complaining of fatigue and ….wouldn’t you know it….HGH was prescribed.
    Seems clear, the Guyer Institute is the HGH equivalent of a pill mill….and prescriptions are loosely handed out to their paying customers. Given the multitude of athletes reported to be patients there……word is out where to go and which doctor to see.
    Kravitz also reported that Manning teammate Anthony Gonzalez was disgusted by the rampant abuse of HGH in the league….and lets not forget six Colts players were pinched by the league for PEDs abuse since 2010….third highest in the NFL. Seems a culture of PEDs use within the Indy locker room was pervasive. For this reason, I dismiss any Colt’s press release offering their stamp of cleanliness given the apparent drug culture inside their building. Read Kravitz.

  37. solidarityrules says: Dec 29, 2015 10:25 AM

    Al Jazeera America: Please don’t sue us. We got the point across, but look carefully at our words. We didn’t *exactly* say it.

    Will be interesting to see if the Manning effect gets this buried.

  38. widerightyouloseagain says: Dec 29, 2015 10:25 AM

    Somebody got paid off big time.

  39. gdbroker says: Dec 29, 2015 10:27 AM

    Pats fan here. My opinion is “Who cares?”. Peyton is one of the all time greats. If he used HGH to come back from a horrific neck injury I say let him. The league is (or at least was) better with a healthy Peyton Manning out there. So to all the trolls calling out “Pats Fans” get ahold of yourself.

  40. kurtrundell says: Dec 29, 2015 10:27 AM

    So if this is indeed the wife’s HGH for her pregnancy, why would she receive HGH from this place instead of a prescription from her PCP or OB/GYN? Something here is askew.

  41. footballfanatic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:28 AM

    BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    Awwww you dont really keep up with things do you? The federal law investigated the NFL and decided goodell had too much power- even tho there is a CBA signed by players allowing him power. At NO POINT did the federal law say Brady was innocent. They didnt even talk to JJ or JM, never looked at Tom’s phone records, that court case had nothing to do with Tom. Maybe check ur facts before coming on here- remember…….”its better to keep quiet and have ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.🙂

  42. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:28 AM

    Look at Patriot Hater falling over themselves to defend cheating and a cheater while trying to deny and deflect.

    Disgusting. Sure speaks to their own morals and integrity.

  43. whywerule says: Dec 29, 2015 10:30 AM

    quinzze says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:21 AM
    This has nothing to do with Payton Manning cheating for Patriots fans , it has EVERYTHING to do with the hypocrisy of the people that crucified Brady but give Manning a free pass.

    Agreed. Pats fans showing hypocrisy is just to highlight the hypocrisy of the Pats haters on this board, and the hypocrisy of a certain 4-letter network that has given Ray Lewis a free pass, and a job.

    It is an ugly circle of hypocrisy.

  44. patriotinvasion says: Dec 29, 2015 10:30 AM

    Peyton Manning just TAINTED his entire legacy and image. The 2006 Colts Super Bowl* win should really be considered vacated at this point or at least awarded to the Pats who would have killed that Bears team. Along with 2006, here’s what else Goodell should vacate:

    11-13 playoff record*
    55 touchdown record*
    43-8 SB loss to Seahawks*
    31-17 SB loss to Saints*

    *Cheated by being a filthy cheating doper.

  45. footballfanatic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:30 AM

    HGH Will Make Your Fore Head HUGE!!!!!! says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:23 AM

    Im not a fan of either team, but every patriots fan will never believe Brady cheated, even if he confesses, patriots fans will say “oh this is just a media thing he had to do, he really didnt do it”. ANd if there is video of peyton taking hgh and admitting it, then bronco’s fans will somehow justify it as well. Meanwhile, anyone outside of either city can be realistic and know BOTH cheated the game, just in different ways. Asterisks to both if Peyton is found guilty after an investigation.

  46. wensink18 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:31 AM

    I remember a time when U.S. District Court Judge Richard Berman asked the NFL’s attorney, Daniel Nash whether any evidence existed where Tom Brady directly ordered a team employee to deflate footballs. Attorney Nash sheepishly answered ( in open court) that there was none whatsoever. Pretty much sums that whole affair up, right there.

    Like Brady, this little dust up over Manning is much ado about nothing. It is , however, somewhat fascinating to witness how people who were quick to judge Brady have rushed to Manning’s defense without knowing any facts.. No more eloquent Manning defender than the guy in the white suit with the deer antlers growing out of his head.

  47. thebirdofprey says: Dec 29, 2015 10:31 AM

    Sue the crap out of these guys Peyton. I have no clue what he did or didn’t do but putting out an article without concrete facts and basically trying to ruin a guys career and legacy is what is wrong with reporting today. I said it when TMZ got into sports, all journalist integrity went out the window.

  48. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:32 AM

    If the Denver Broncos are smart they would name Brock Osweiler the permanent starter and perhaps they already have.

    They need to distance themselves ASAP from the cheater and all the legal issues that will likely come his way.

    Run horses run! Gallop away!

  49. routerunner says: Dec 29, 2015 10:32 AM

    footballfanatic… this has nothing to do with the Patriots… why are you bringing them up to me? You are using a diversion tactic to take the focus off Manning. Secondly, your statement was incorrect. Manning was under contract with the Colts during his injured year. So he was employed by and NFL while he was definitely “not cheating” that year he was injured.

  50. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:33 AM

    So if this is indeed the wife’s HGH for her pregnancy, why would she receive HGH from this place instead of a prescription from her PCP or OB/GYN? Something here is askew.

    —-

    Ding! Ding! Ding!

    Winner!
    🙂

  51. richaf78 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:35 AM

    sucks his legacy is now tainted due to his HGH use. SMH

  52. cursindaily says: Dec 29, 2015 10:37 AM

    Well how else would his head get that big?

  53. realfootballfan says: Dec 29, 2015 10:37 AM

    It’s not a shift on the report. It’s what they said at first. During a time when Peyton Manning’s career was possibly over because of a debilitating injury, his wife for some reason was getting HGH in the mail. Now, if you want to believe that’s just a big coincidence despite everyone involved saying she did get them instead of, I don’t know, going into a doctor’s office if she needed them like most normal people do, then keep believing. I suppose everyone has to believe in something. Kids believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. People in denial believe that their sports heroes don’t do anything like this.

  54. sansbushman says: Dec 29, 2015 10:37 AM

    It Ashley Manning grows a testicle, then we know the HGHs ware for her use.

  55. chris6523 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:38 AM

    I think HGH and steroids should be used openly and freely by any or all athletes. If they are willing to load up on drugs to put a better product on the field, that’s their business.

    _________________________________

    That would be pretty unfortunate for the athletes that aren’t willing to do that.

  56. richaf78 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:38 AM

    why did he do it that is what gets me. He had it all. Why Peyton, why. Now my son hates you. My whole family is shaken up by your use of this HGH.

  57. bradygirl12 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:40 AM

    Yup,something sure stinks about this whole thing. Why wouldn’t Manning’s wife get her HGH from her OBGYN? Why would she take it while pregnant? All of this at the same time he had the neck injury…is Peyton about to get busted? That might explain why he looked to be on the verge of crying during his response interviews. Reputation may be ruined.

  58. streetyson says: Dec 29, 2015 10:40 AM

    Timing is key – Ashley gave birth in March 2011, Peyton had stem cell treatment that summer. HGH is rarely used in pregnancy (deformity risk) but sometimes resorted to in first (and occasionally 2nd) trimester of IVF pregnancy. HGH is very common (indeed recommended) in stem cell treatment. So, if Ashley was not on IVF, or otherwise getting these (apparently federal regulation breaking?) shipments after Dec 2010, then Peyton’s after-hours clinic visits start looking doubly more suspect. However, he needed more surgery in Sept 2011 so the stem-cell repair effort presumably didn’t work out anyway.

  59. newjerseygiants says: Dec 29, 2015 10:41 AM

    If indeed its fact that Peyton’s wife was receiving shipments of HGH, then he’s clearly guilty of using it. Probably could not have recovered and returned to playing without it.

  60. redrew says: Dec 29, 2015 10:41 AM

    “Al Jazeria said they confirmed that he worked there in 2011. Why can’t Al Jazeria simply provide what proof they have that he actually worked there in 2011? That would go a long way towards giving credibility to the story. ”
    ——————————————————-
    Al Jazeera released the tape of their call to the Guyer Institute and the Guyer Institute did confirm Sly was employed there in 2011.

    The cover up is always worse…and Guyer is stumbling badly

  61. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:42 AM

    Brady: Anonymous sources, abetted by the media, prove to be false
    Peyton*: Attributed and collaborated sources from a legit news organization

    It ain’t rocket science folks.

  62. thun5der says: Dec 29, 2015 10:42 AM

    ok, for anyone who hasnt watched the Al-Jazeera report, there are only 3 medical conditions where is it LEGAL to perscribe HGH. One is AIDS related, one is for short bowel syndrome, and the other is for pituitary related issues, usually involving children who arent growing. It is AGAINST THE LAW to prescribe HGH ” off label,” meaning to perscribe it to someone for any other reason who does not have one of these 3 conditions. The only doctore who would presribe , legally, would be an infectious disease doc, a gastroenterologist, or a doctor who treats ailments related to the pituitary, NOT an ” anti aging” clinic. Dr Guyer could go to jail if he is prescribing HGH. So Manning is not denying his wife was receiving HGH from an anti aging clinic, at the same time he is trying to recover from neck surgery. Two plus two equals four. This is Marion Jones all over again

  63. pastabelly says: Dec 29, 2015 10:43 AM

    There will never be any proof that Manning took HGH and no Wells Report will get anyone there in any case. However, there will never be a defamation suit either. I don’t know the timeline of Ashley Manning taking HGH, but a quick google shows it can be taken to aid IVF in dealing with infertility. If she took it and it helped her have a baby, that’s wonderful. Of course, it wouldn’t make sense for a pregnant women to be taking it and it would make sense for a football player recovering from an injury to take it. I cannot understand why HGH is not allowed by the NFL during an injury recovery process.

  64. knowspinzone says: Dec 29, 2015 10:43 AM

    RegisHawk says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    At this point, there isn’t even proof that HGH was sent to his wife. It’s an allegation. If you Pats apologists want to claim that an allegation is a fact, then you can admit that Brady cheated.

    _______________________________

    Wrong! Peyton admitted his wife received HGH for herself. He said please respect her privacy for the reason.

    Obviously covering up the real reason it was shipped under her name.

  65. whynotjustadmitit says: Dec 29, 2015 10:43 AM

    How cute. Patriot and Bronco fans argueing over who’s cheater QB is the biggest cheater. Lol.

  66. plum54 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:45 AM

    There is no evidence against Tom, the NFL already admitted that in federal court. On the other hand, human growth hormone was sent to Peyton’s house. That is evidence!

  67. florioisworsthuman says: Dec 29, 2015 10:46 AM

    Why is the MortReport getting away with lying again? The new video confirming this guy was employed in 2011 is undeniable. It’s quite clear that Mort likes Peyton, so Mort lies for Peyton. Or at the very least, Mort only hears what he wants to hear, and only believes what he wants to believe. I could probably DM him right now and tell him Sly is a Russian spy sent to disrupt the fabric of American sport and he’d run with that claim, too.

  68. jolink653 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:46 AM

    Here we go again. Every idiot commenter on every football blog in the country goes on some incoherent rant about how Peyton Manning cheated based on shoddy evidence and little proof. For those defending Manning, welcome to the world of being a Patriots fan. Now you know what it’s like to have your guy beaten down based on some ridiculous allegation with no proof behind it.

    And for the record, I don’t think he did anything wrong. I think Peyton has always been supremely talented and would not take anything illegal, and most Patriots fans feel the same way. No evidence other than the word of a former con-man. Amazing how people convict someone in the court of public opinion based on a rumor or an allegation regardless of the credibility of the source or the lack of evidence

  69. quizlingclinic says: Dec 29, 2015 10:47 AM

    “truthfactory says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:19 AM
    This is pretty simple to solve… The guy and the clinic said he didn’t work there until 2013, and even then it was a 3 month un-paid internship.

    Al Jazeria said they confirmed that he worked there in 2011. Why can’t Al Jazeria simply provide what proof they have that he actually worked there in 2011? That would go a long way towards giving credibility to the story.”

    THEY DID! They have a transcript of a phone call to the clinic where his personnel file was looked at. The employee said Sly worked there starting in Oct. 2011. Even the clinic admits this conversation happeed. They claim the employee who said this was “confused”

  70. themiamidolphins says: Dec 29, 2015 10:48 AM

    Do people really care so much that Peyton probably took HGH while recovering from injury? He didn’t use it to enhance his performance, the purpose was to extend his career.

    I personally don’t see the big deal, but I do wish (if true — which is likely) that Peyton just own up to it. People will move on a lot quicker if he’s honest about what he did and his intentions.

  71. jag1959 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:48 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:28 AM
    BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    Awwww you dont really keep up with things do you? The federal law investigated the NFL and decided goodell had too much power- even tho there is a CBA signed by players allowing him power…remember…….”its better to keep quiet and have ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.
    ________

    Talk about not keeping up. Federal law investigated…??? The law doesn’t investigate, it just is. A federal judge did rule that Goodell and the NFL violated arbitration guidelines as they are defined by federal labor law.

    Perhaps ff should follow his/her own advice.

  72. bigbenh8tr says: Dec 29, 2015 10:48 AM

    Drop it Pats fans. Your QB is a cheater, Peyton is not.

  73. redrew says: Dec 29, 2015 10:49 AM

    Guyer closes at 5 PM.
    Manning said he never went to to Guyer after hours.
    Manning states he went to Guyer at 5:15PM.

    Hmmmm….wonder how many employees exit the building at 5 PM closing? Of course, in Manning’s mind……5:15 is not after hours.

  74. gotitan says: Dec 29, 2015 10:50 AM

    @BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    Well, well, well.

    It looks like Manning is a little paranoid about the whole situation. Somethings fishy here.

    *Manning hitting the juice*

    *****TAINTED LEGACY*****
    __________________________________
    Throwing stones in a glass house?

    Exactly why did your owner apologize, pay a fine, and have draft picks taken from your team? ****

  75. usitait says: Dec 29, 2015 10:51 AM

    “Destroy your cell phone…quick” -Tom Brady

  76. sansbushman says: Dec 29, 2015 10:51 AM

    Cut and paste from FDA :

    FDA-approved HGH can be legally prescribed for a limited number of conditions including:

    * hormonal deficiency that causes short stature in children;
    * long-term treatment of growth failure due to lack of exogenous GH secretion;
    * long-term treatment of short stature associated with Turner syndrome;
    * adult short bowel syndrome;
    * adult deficiency due to rare pituitary tumors or their treatment; and
    * muscle-wasting disease associated with HIV/AIDS.
    =======================
    Furthermore, for adults, it could only be prescribed for the last three conditions.

    Ashley Manning fits this criteria?

  77. Della Street says: Dec 29, 2015 10:52 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:28 AM
    BecauseIdRatherBeACheaterThanALoser says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM

    Awwww you dont really keep up with things do you? The federal law investigated the NFL and decided goodell had too much power- even tho there is a CBA signed by players allowing him power. At NO POINT did the federal law say Brady was innocent. They didnt even talk to JJ or JM, never looked at Tom’s phone records, that court case had nothing to do with Tom. Maybe check ur facts before coming on here- remember…….”its better to keep quiet and have ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

    _____________

    Good Lord.

    Wells interviewed JJ and JM five times. It was GOODELL himself who didn’t want their testimony before the Court. He failed to call them because he knew they wouldn’t help his case. Wells explicitly told Brady he didn’t need his cell phone, so why would he turn it over when it was not needed. When it became an issue, Brady produced the records that showed the NFL already had every communication between him, JJ and JM. Nothing was missing. Was is this so hard for you to understand? Oh, and when asked if the NFL had any evidence of Brady’s involvement, they replied, in open court, NO. You should read the hearing transcripts and the judges decision and educate yourself.

  78. patsfiend says: Dec 29, 2015 10:53 AM

    Sly also mentioned in the documentary that the Mannings would show up after hours for “IV” treatments, too.

  79. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:55 AM

    Ever heard of a HIPAA violation?
    Are we supposed to ignore the media stomping on our rights? Just like JPP, they’ll hide behind protecting their sources.
    Who knows if Peyton did it but this can’t be tolerated anymore. The media acts so entitled and has no respect for privacy.

  80. florioisworsthuman says: Dec 29, 2015 10:55 AM

    I don’t personally know if Peyton did it or not – My issue is with the hypocrisy of the media rallying behind their guy. As far as I can see, ESPN hasn’t featured the evidence that Sly did in fact work at Guyer in 2011. Al Jazeera released an indisputable video of Guyer confirming the fact. Where is Mark Brunell crying or Jerome Bettis saying he’d never have HGH sent to his home in his wife’s name? Can someone get Kurt Warner a tiny vial of HGH so he can take it and tell the world how much better / faster / stronger he is? Any NFL quarterback would be better on HGH. I bet they could even squeeze the football tighter. And we all know what a cardinal offense the mere possibility of that is.

  81. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:56 AM

    #cheater
    #AllPeytonsRecordsMeanNothingToMe
    #AllTainted4Eva

  82. beacheagle55 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:56 AM

    Consider the source. End of story,total garbage.

  83. vancouversportsbro says: Dec 29, 2015 10:56 AM

    11-13 playoff record*
    55 touchdown record*
    43-8 SB loss to Seahawks*
    31-17 SB loss to Saints*

    *Cheated by being a filthy cheating doper.

    —————————–

    Allegations came from after that loss to the Saints. Doubt he would care if that got erased either considering that was more embarrassing than the Hawks loss.

  84. clipper522 says: Dec 29, 2015 10:56 AM

    How is this not a HIPPA violation? A lawsuit for defamation is a certainty. But now the Guyer Institute may be on the line for a suit as well for releasing this information, intentional or not, through Sly.

  85. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 10:57 AM

    He didn’t use it to enhance his performance, the purpose was to extend his career.
    —–
    Cheating is cheating. Doesn’t matter what the motivation was.

  86. belichickee says: Dec 29, 2015 10:57 AM

    they’re not backpedaling at all, just letting people know “hey folks we didn’t know we’d catch Petyon in the net we were casting, but Sly says we did”

  87. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 10:59 AM

    Gotta love these discussions with 80% of posts being from New England CHEATER fans. First Andrew Luck was a cheater. Then Ben Roethlisberger. Now Peyton. New England fans are a disgrace. They have a super high standards of evidence for Brady, and a low standard for others.

    Oh, by the way, every accusation in that ESPN Patriots story earlier this year is 100% true.

  88. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 11:03 AM

    As a defender of Manning, who doesn’t believe it matters if he used HGH to help heal, I had to laugh at the following post:

    “billswillnevermove

    I’d really worry about your own team.”

    Buddy, you constantly post bs about the Patriots.

  89. istateyourname says: Dec 29, 2015 11:04 AM

    “…HGH and steroids should be used openly and freely by any or all athletes…”

    Absolutely agree, plus there should be no restrictor plates in NASCAR, if they got the guts to drive em that fast, then yee haw let’s see it! They got the bouncy walls now so nothing bad can happen.

  90. ragejet says: Dec 29, 2015 11:07 AM

    I think it is obvious Manning used hgh to recover from surgery, I am a devoted Patriots fan and could care less about what Peyton did to get healthy. I think what the nfl and media did to the Patriots was ridiculous and everyone has their own cynical agenda. I ask all of you to truly look at the situations and reason with yourself about your agenda, even leaving a comment here…why? To aggravate someone who is passionate about football? It is a game and it is shameful how many of you act… I hope this goes away quick and Peyton Manning rides off into the sunset remembered for his amazing career.

    Its enough punishment for him even dealing with the anxiety of any of this right now. It doesn’t matter guilty or innocent he name was unfairly tainted for media gain…

    I love my Patriots and Steve Grogan I grew up next to the Stadium in Attleboro but above all I am a fan of football!
    Can’t we all just get along…

  91. firecracker87 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:07 AM

    Nationwide ditches Manning in 3..2..1..

  92. magnumpimustache says: Dec 29, 2015 11:09 AM

    I could care less However…..

    If this was Tom Brady’s wife, ESPN would air a daily 2 hour block on this subject.

    The NFL Network and ESPN want Peyton Manning as on air talent so they are not going to do anything to upset his ego

  93. inbillwetrust says: Dec 29, 2015 11:11 AM

    something smellllllssss……. fishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyshyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyshyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyshyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyshyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishyfishy

  94. tim2200 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:12 AM

    No worries Al Jazeera. The “NFL” is going to investigate and they have a worse reputation for legitimacy than you do.

    Hmmm, wonder if they’ll ask for Manning’s phone…

  95. j0esixpack says: Dec 29, 2015 11:14 AM

    They still have more credibility than ESPN – a true propaganda network if there ever was one

  96. plum54 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:15 AM

    Guess Tom should have threatened to sue . Maybe then the NFL would have corrected the erroneous PSI levels. The erroneous levels that started this framegate mess after the phone calls from the Ravens & Colts.

  97. hosanamusic says: Dec 29, 2015 11:15 AM

    So what if Peyton did take HGH?
    *he’s a cheater
    Okay, then what?
    *well ugh, he cheated.
    So…okay. We understand that. No what?
    *his legacy is tarnished
    Yeah, well…so what?
    *I need to say this over and over and over to make me feel better about myself.

    -every fan on profootballtalk.com

  98. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 11:16 AM

    I disagree that PEDs should be used freely and openly in sports.

    Read up on how shady some of this stuff really is and its ties to crime and even terrorism plus the obvious health risks and still see if you feel that way.

  99. flash1287 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:16 AM

    Oh, by the way, every accusation in that ESPN Patriots story earlier this year is 100% true.

    Uh..no , that’s wrong.

  100. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 11:19 AM

    Keep Peyton* out of the HOF. A filthy doper had no place among the true greats of the sport.

  101. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 11:20 AM

    “Peyton*, Lance, Barry, A-Rod, Roger”

    Every one of these guys is a champion. As people, they are all flawed, but is it really so terrible for a guy to try to save his career by taking medications to heal horrific injuries?

    Building them up or tearing them down is two sides to the same pathetic coin.

    We have an NFL season coming down to the last week and again we are consumed with off field accusations. This time the accusations involve a guy who is not likely to play a significant role in the playoffs.

    Our country is obsessed with tearing people down. It is an ugly side to our culture.

  102. kissmysandwich says: Dec 29, 2015 11:22 AM

    Huffpost twisting facts? I never….

  103. mmack66 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:23 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:04 AM

    Already back pedaling, now if you Pats fans want you can keep calling Peyton a ‘cheater’ to try and justify your own QB’s actions. Even if Peyton did this, that doesnt justify or excuse your cheating QB’s actions in any way shape or form, it just means BOTH qb’s have tainted careers and asterisks. But, nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.
    ———————–

    Brady hasn’t been found guilty of anything.

    Goodellbot just thinks he did something, and in his mind, that is all it takes.

  104. mmack66 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:27 AM

    themiamidolphins says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:48 AM

    Do people really care so much that Peyton probably took HGH while recovering from injury? He didn’t use it to enhance his performance, the purpose was to extend his career.

    I personally don’t see the big deal, but I do wish (if true — which is likely) that Peyton just own up to it. People will move on a lot quicker if he’s honest about what he did and his intentions.
    —————————

    So after all that, he just happened to have the greatest season for a quarterback, ever, and that was just coincidence?

    Isn’t extending a career a form of enhancing performance?

  105. danfromindy says: Dec 29, 2015 11:28 AM

    Pats fans.. Just stop… Your team admitted twice to cheating and Brady being the great QB he is should have known (or more probably then not) that the balls were under inflated. We know that they were because the Pats paid a million dollars and gave up draft picks. So just stop.. Brady might have been let off because the punishment didn’t “fit the crime”, but there isn’t anyone that has played the game that thinks he didn’t know… Let it go, everyone else has except you… It wasn’t a big deal and had you all just shut your mouths instead of blowing up boards like this Brady won’t even have been named…

    As for this… If Al Jazeer can show me one iota of proof that any shipment was sent to any Manning in 2011, I’ll believe he took it.. Until then, I’ll side with the guy that isn’t an intern….

  106. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 11:31 AM

    but is it really so terrible for a guy to try to save his career by taking medications to heal horrific injuries?

    Taking HGH to heal is still cheating and not just that, lying and using his wife to cover his cheating scheme is all the more loathsome and really not that much different than anyone else on that list.

    Terry Bradshaw is on record admitting he cheated with steroids in the 70s and it was wrong. Andy Pettitte was a NY Yankee pitcher who also used HGH to heal but he too admitted a mea culpa. I respect that in both cases. That does not appear to be the case here sadly.

  107. nightryder10 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:31 AM

    You can’t get HGH sent to your cousin’s wife’s sister-in-law’s uncle’s house for you to pick up?

  108. bushwoodcc says: Dec 29, 2015 11:34 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:04 AM
    Already back pedaling, now if you Pats fans want you can keep calling Peyton a ‘cheater’ to try and justify your own QB’s actions. Even if Peyton did this, that doesnt justify or excuse your cheating QB’s actions in any way shape or form, it just means BOTH qb’s have tainted careers and asterisks. But, nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.
    ________________________________________

    Brady hasn’t been found guilty. The NFL even admitted to Judge Berman that they had no evidence. Science shows ball deflation was within expected levels due to temperature changes. There is no need to defend Brady’s actions as there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. To believe there is shows a lack of understanding of evidence and fact.

    Now in regard to Peyton, let’s just be honest here. Peyton had 4 neck surgeries that year. Is it really a stretch to believe he would use HGH to get back in playing shape so he could be signed by another team to a lucrative deal? Of course not. Does that taint his achievements prior to the neck surgeries? Definitely not. Does it call into questions records he has achieved since then? It is certainly possible that it does.

    Now as far as backtracking, Al Jezeera has not backtracked from the story as Florio claims. The reality is that Charlie Sly brought Peyton’s name into this. And because of Sly’s own words people are inferring that the HGH was for Manning. But Al Jezeera never made that claim. The only person to ever mention Peyton’s name was Charlie Sly.

    Also interesting is the fact that the Guyer Institute claimed that Sly didn’t work there in 2013 yet the reporter has a video of her call with the clinic confirming that Sly was there in 2011.

    Also, Charlie Sly’s retraction looks like he was under duress while making the video. Perhaps he was under threat from Guyer for violating a non disclosure agree or HIPPA regs. But the reality is Sly was either lying about the HGH shipments or lying about lying about them.

    Given that there have been no denials about Mrs Manning receiving such shipments my guess is he was telling the truth in the undercover video. And as long as Peyton knows his wife or Guyer won’t flip he can issue denials without fear of being caught.

    Now, on the flip side I will gladly admit that we have no proof that Peyton has done HGH. But the reality is that at the moment there is more linking Manning to HGH use than there ever was linking Brady to deflating footballs. The Wells investigation has been proven to be flawed and reliant upon manipulated information and incorrect data.

    And at this point we have no denials of HGH being sent to Mrs. Manning, we have no knowledge of her being treated for any of the three permitted uses for HGH and we know NFL players have used HGH to help rehab from injuries.

    Personally, if Manning did HGH I wouldn’t blame him. With millions on the line as he was searching for a new team and new contract, plus endorsements hanging in the balance I figure anybody with a truly competitive nature would utilize HGH to get back out there and complete their legacy and add to their financial security.

    Now again, this does not prove Peyton used HGH. But it certainly is plausible that he WOULD have used it. I would also say it will be quite some time before we know one way or the other…if we ever do at all.

    Now what’s funny is that the same people that don’t want to believe Brady when he testified under oath are willing to believe Manning’s denial during an interview. I think that is the hypocrisy that Pats fans are loving, as it shows people like you for the frauds that you are.

  109. plum54 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:34 AM

    Danfromidy: keep up Manning admitted the HGH was sent to his house! Keep up again, the NFL admitted there was no evidence against Tom in federal court!!

  110. holdthemayo123 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:35 AM

    Easy enough to verify – just get all of Manning’s cell phone records, and if he refuses, he’s guilty. Amiright Goddell?

  111. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:35 AM

    So nobody else has an issue with the media being able to break federal laws? Nobody else cares that the media no regard or respect for people’s information that is protected under federal guidelines?
    What about the medical facility that releases it?
    Regardless, this and JPP are examples of the media breaking the law and not being held accountable. Does anyone besides me take issue with this?

  112. dingusgenius says: Dec 29, 2015 11:36 AM

    This is so stupid. Fellow Pats fans, cut the crap for god’s sake. This is as meaningless as the unproven possibility that someone let a chipmunk fart of air out of footballs.

    Stop.

  113. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 11:41 AM

    this is, in a nutshell, the deflator text.

    get it now?

    every cheater denies, right?

    time to own up to hypocrisy kids.

  114. infectorman says: Dec 29, 2015 11:44 AM

    Julius Peppers*
    Clay Mathews*
    Dustin Keller*
    Mike Neal*
    Ryan Howard*
    Ryan Zimmerman*
    James Harrison*
    Peyton Manning*

  115. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 11:44 AM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:35 AM

    So nobody else has an issue with the media being able to break federal laws? Nobody else cares that the media no regard or respect for people’s information that is protected under federal guidelines?
    What about the medical facility that releases it?
    Regardless, this and JPP are examples of the media breaking the law and not being held accountable. Does anyone besides me take issue with this

    yeah I do,

    nice 180 btw. where have you been while Brady suffered the same crap?

  116. DennisT says: Dec 29, 2015 11:46 AM

    I dont think many Patriots fans are calling Manning a cheater, in fact most believe him as do I.

    I think what Patriots fans are rightly upset about is the way the media and the league has reacted to this. These are much more serious charges than what Brady went through, and the idea that Manning’s wife was getting loads of HGH is far, far more incriminating than anything in the Brady situation. So why is Manning getting the benefit of the doubt????

    Brady testified under oath he did no wrong, there was no evidence that the balls were even deflated let alone any evidence Brady was involved in it and there was a perfectly reasonable alternate explanation to explain the missing 0.3 psi, yet some people castigated him because some ball boy sent a stupid text in May of 2014 where he called himself the deflator.

    Yet Manning’s wife was for some reason obtaining boxes of HGH and many of those same people are willing to give Manning a pass. ITS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  117. fanofschill says: Dec 29, 2015 11:47 AM

    Pats fans: yea brady lobbied to get rid of low PSI levels b/c he likes underinflated balls, yes he denied even knowing what “psi” means until 2 yrs ago even tho he lobbied against it 8 yrs ago, yes his ball boy calls himself ‘the deflator’, yes 11 balls were found underinflated, one a full 2 PSI low, yes he destroyed his cell phone after the investigation started……..but he’s innocent.

    —————————-
    People truly make up their own stories

    What a complete fabrication. There at no time was never a discussion or topic about PSI levels a couple years ago. Manning and Brady lobbied to have balls conditioned and supplied by own team. Nothing about PSI

    11 balls were inflated within the rules, the initial report by Mort was wrong! ..Do people even read?

    ……
    Changing the rule to allow each offense to supply its own footballs would make the game more fair, Manning and Brady argued. It would prohibit a home team from suddenly handing a visiting quarterback one of those dreaded fresh-from-the-box footballs for an important drive with minutes left in a tight game.

    “If (a bad throw happens) because somebody is at the quarterback’s feet, that’s one thing,” Manning said at the time, “but not because of a bad football.”

  118. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 11:49 AM

    Peyton* blatantly and shamelessly cheating aside, there are other athletes named and it sure feels like this may be another Balco story.

    Stay tuned.

  119. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 11:49 AM

    remember,

    “he should turn over his phone to prove he’s not guilty”

    stories about Brady’s wife in a burka?

    more red flags here than with Brady, not even close.

    Still, haven’t proved anything in either case

  120. DennisT says: Dec 29, 2015 11:50 AM

    Someone on here said it best, if Giselle was receiving HGH shipments in mail after Brady got hurt, Brady would be getting DESTROYED in national media

    Oh and the colts Cheated as many times as anyone in past few years. Remember when they pumped in fake noise. Anyone that understands spygate and football knows that was for more likely to influence the game than recording from wrong camera location.

  121. jeremycrowhurst says: Dec 29, 2015 11:55 AM

    Oh come on. It’s not like the story was about athletes using HGH, it was about athletes’ wives who use HGH.

    Wasn’t it?

  122. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:55 AM

    “nice 180 btw. where have you been while Brady suffered the same crap”

    I’m not sure what you mean. My opinion was consistent with when it happened to JPP. I’m not sure where Brady comes in to the discussion, but had someone illegally obtained his medical reports I would still bash the media and medical facility.

  123. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 11:57 AM

    “I disagree that PEDs should be used freely and openly in sports.

    Read up on how shady some of this stuff really is and its ties to crime and even terrorism plus the obvious health risks and still see if you feel that way.”

    Sorry, HGH is manufactured by US drug companies (the biggest drug pushers). It is highly controlled.

  124. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:57 AM

    Asterisk City baby!

    I always knew it. How did he look so good vs GB this year, too?

    Take a week off, get a new shipment and look how good he looked.

    Pats have never cheated. Sneaking around using HGH is absolutely trying to gain an advantage no one else has.

    Lance Armstrong Part 2.

  125. plum54 says: Dec 29, 2015 11:58 AM

    Peyton already admitted the human growth hormone was sent to his house. Tom already testified in federal court he did nothing wrong. The NFL already admitted they had no evidence against Tom. So how are there more red flags against Tom, makes no sense .

  126. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 11:58 AM

    Well, well, well, had anyone taken the time to look into it before putting their faith into Al Jazeera, and then spewing their hate, you may have found that the original accuser is now saying he made the whole thing up. I would have told you sooner but I like to see people make fools of themselves first.

    Charles Sly, also explained why he made the entire story up.

    “First of all, Sly reiterated, that he manufactured the entire story and confirmed that he was only employed at the clinic in 2013, two years after Manning was a patient.”

    –Cork Gaines, Business Insider

  127. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 11:59 AM

    “DennisT says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:46 AM
    I dont think many Patriots fans are calling Manning a cheater, in fact most believe him as do I.”

    First you say you believe him (And apparently you speak for most pats fans). Then you say he’s getting a “pass” from most fans for his wife receiving HGH and that’s ridiculous. Typical pats fan.

  128. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 12:01 PM

    As for why he used Manning’s name even though he was no longer a patient at the clinic at the time Sly was employed there, Sly says he simply learned that Manning had been a patient there through other employees.

    “I said, ‘How did you come up with this story of Peyton and Ashley Manning?,'” Mortensen said. “And he said, ‘Well, when I was working there for those three months, somebody said that they used to be patients there.'”

    –Cork Gaines, Business Insider

    The defense rest Your Honor.

  129. quizlingclinic says: Dec 29, 2015 12:03 PM

    “VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:58 AM
    Well, well, well, had anyone taken the time to look into it before putting their faith into Al Jazeera, and then spewing their hate, you may have found that the original accuser is now saying he made the whole thing up. I would have told you sooner but I like to see people make fools of themselves first.

    Charles Sly, also explained why he made the entire story up.

    “First of all, Sly reiterated, that he manufactured the entire story and confirmed that he was only employed at the clinic in 2013, two years after Manning was a patient.”

    –Cork Gaines, Business Insider”

    Well well well. Al Jazeera later released a recording of the clinic telling them that he worked there in Oct 2011. Not that it matters. It appears to be fact that Manning’s wife received HGH shipments from that clinic during the season that manning missed due to injury.

    Someone is going to jail. And it will be a Manning included if they do not cooperate with the Feds. ESPN and the NFL goons can’t do a damn thing about that.

  130. dingusgenius says: Dec 29, 2015 12:03 PM

    “First you say you believe him (And apparently you speak for most pats fans). Then you say he’s getting a “pass” from most fans for his wife receiving HGH and that’s ridiculous. Typical pats fan.”

    This is very simple. I, as a Pats fan, don’t give a rat’s behind if he took HGH or not, or if he is lying about it or not.

    That is not exclusive to laughing at the media/fan reaction to something like this that would be full steam ahead bashing if it was Brady. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. It’s called selective outrage, also known as hypocrisy.

    Hope that clears it up for ya.

  131. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 12:04 PM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:55 AM

    Ever heard of a HIPAA violation?
    Are we supposed to ignore the media stomping on our rights? Just like JPP, they’ll hide behind protecting their sources.
    Who knows if Peyton did it but this can’t be tolerated anymore. The media acts so entitled and has no respect for privacy

    again, this reasonable posture was not apparent during Framegate.

  132. lolo376 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:05 PM

    Too late, the video has been leaked of him saying that it was shipped to Manning house, to Mannings wife, and Manning never denied that his wife received it!

  133. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 12:07 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:58 AM

    Well, well, well, had anyone taken the time to look into it before putting their faith into Al Jazeera, and then spewing their hate, you may have found that the original accuser is now saying he made the whole thing up. I would have told you sooner but I like to see people make fools of themselves first.

    Charles Sly, also explained why he made the entire story up.

    “First of all, Sly reiterated, that he manufactured the entire story and confirmed that he was only employed at the clinic in 2013, two years after Manning was a patient.”

    –Cork Gaines, Business Insider
    well well well there’s a tape of AJ confirming the employment dates,

    you were saying

  134. jcaaf77 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:10 PM

    footballfanatic and all other Haters. Peyton has not been proven guilty neither has Brady. They are only guilty of making losers like you jealous of there accomplishments. Not a big Manning fan but I don’t care if any player has taken HGH. Every media person who called Brady guilty is now saying Peyton is innocent until proven guilty. The Patriots have only won once in ten years and you haters can’t stand it. Every-time they get beat they compliment the opponent and look to improve. When some Teams and their fans can’t beat the Patriots they look for excuses. That’s what is called a loser’s mentality. And please keep it up because it only means more Trophies at One Patriot Place Foxborough, MA

  135. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:11 PM

    Elway and the Broncos cheated in 1995, 1996 and 1997, so it’s no surprise they are doing it yet again with Gomer this time around, trying to get him that one last ring.

    The bigger story is this: The Denver Broncos actually cheated numerous times, but the media ignores this.

    Meanwhile, the Pats stick a cameraman on a sideline to mess with Manboobs and it’s somehow “cheating”?

    Laughable.

    Cheating means you sneak around to get an advantage, which is what dopers do.

  136. whstleblwr says: Dec 29, 2015 12:11 PM

    Ashley Manning did not give birth to those twins.
    If she used HGH for fertility treatments, then the time frame is wrong. The kids were born end of March 2011. Given 9 month gestation and time to find a surrogate, she would have stopped taking HGH for IVF by early 2010. Of course, she could have taken HGH for other reasons, including anti-aging concerns.
    They have been super secretive about the surrogacy. I don’t see Peyton suing; the pretrial discovery would open up a can of worms regarding Ashley’s medical history.

  137. buckybadger says: Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    If you had watched the report you would know that there was nothing reported but the findings of the investigation. There was nothing to sue the reporter for. If Manning wants to go after Sly he can but than he will put Sly in a position to prove his himself and I am sure Manning doesn’t want this.

    I for one don’t care if a player uses it to get healthy. The lying about it is what is going to sink Manning who never should have came out guns blazing over the report. Makes himself look all the guiltier.

  138. quizlingclinic says: Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    “factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:55 AM

    Ever heard of a HIPAA violation?
    Are we supposed to ignore the media stomping on our rights? Just like JPP, they’ll hide behind protecting their sources.
    Who knows if Peyton did it but this can’t be tolerated anymore. The media acts so entitled and has no respect for privacy”


    The news media is protected by the first amendment. HIPAA does not apply does not apply. The violation, if there was one, was on the part of the clinic for releasing the information.

    Your outrage should be directed at the multiple clinic employees who released this information. Al Jazeera appears to have done a fantastic job reporting and sourcing this piece of journalism.

  139. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 12:15 PM

    We don’t have Peyton’s medical records. He could of had a pituitary tumor. His wife could of had pituitary issues. We don’t know all the medical facts. Why is it so important to leap to conclusions and tear down a guy.

    If I was told that using HGH might heal my neck while my body was undergoing serious repair for a series of neck injuries and that there was no down side I would have taken the treatments.

    It doesn’t help Manning’s pr that he does not have his wife’s doctor front and center saying he prescribed it for her. One of the reasons he and his pr team should have said nothing.

    Goodell created a monster by putting the NFL seal of approval on witch-hunts.

  140. bhlobos says: Dec 29, 2015 12:17 PM

    I find it funny when people speak in absolutes without anything but a news report…

    “He did it”, “He didn’t do it”… how do we know? Your fanaticism is showing…

  141. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 12:17 PM

    Sorry, HGH is manufactured by US drug companies (the biggest drug pushers). It is highly controlled.
    —-
    Well I was referring to PEDs in general. With HGH I agree except that it is prescribed only by strict conditions. If the athlete does not meet those conditions where would he or she go? The black market. That’s sort of what I was referring to. The NFL should not be an accessory to allowing this kind of activity to thrive.

  142. dsigrey says: Dec 29, 2015 12:20 PM

    Love the media protecting Manning. You know if this were Brady they would unleash hell upon him. Look, I could careless if these players use HGH. In fact they should put it in a vending machine in the locker room. What gets me is the total 180 in the treatments of Brady vs Manning. They are doing it right in Manning’s case while they totally disregarded the facts and truth in Brady’s. I guess all those commercials and playoff loses really helped people fall in love with poor Payton.

  143. thesmartest1 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:20 PM

    This story will quietly go away.

  144. realityonetwo says: Dec 29, 2015 12:20 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:13 AM

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:Dec 29, 2015 10:03 AM

    Peyton* should have gotten advice on involving his wife in his cheating scheme from Roger and Debbie Clemens.
    __________________________________
    I’d really worry about your own team. They have been caught cheating way more than Peyton has. The HGH was for Peyton’s wife, she had twins and was taking it for a pregnancy issue.

    ——————————

    And I heard she was sharing it with Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.

  145. dreadnok89 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:25 PM

    Ehh, dont pit much stock in al jezeera, lolol. On a sidenote, hgh and roids are not the samething

  146. lindacaseauthor says: Dec 29, 2015 12:26 PM

    This story isn’t going anywhere. I’m guessing that by now the League and/or Archie has already paid off Sly to go away.

  147. aballinhighgrass says: Dec 29, 2015 12:27 PM

    Giants fan checking in. I’ve always liked PM, but this is bad . . . circumstantially. If the Feds get involved (unlikely) this could be really bad for PM’s legacy. Personally, I could care less. Even if he did use it to recover from surgery/injuries, I have no problem with that. In that context its medicine, not a performance enhancer. In my eyes, PM will always be considered one of the greatest QBs ever. Not the best, but not far behind Brady, Montana, Elway, Unitas and Starr.

    For all the Pats fans out there, I have no love for your team. I respect the Hell out of them, but I’m no Patriots fan. Or at least I wasn’t until this year.

    Brady got railroaded. The league offices (Kensil, et. al.) had it out for Belichick and the Patriots, and Brady was just the foil.

    Brady is the best QB I have ever seen in my nearly 40 years watching football. And watching him get the screws put to him for nothing aggravated me to no end. I have been quietly rooting for the Pats to win it all this year (to the chagrin of my family and the scorn of my friends). I knew my Giants had no chance.

    For all the Pats haters out there. First, grow up. The endless digs/trolling is stupid. Second, imagine if Brady’s wife ordered HGH. It would lead the nightly new programs . . . again. The pitch-forks would be out and the demands from ESPN to suspend Brady would be non-stop. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if the league offices have hired private investigators to dig up dirt on Brady and have found none. Or are waiting to see if the Pats make the Superbowl to drop the allegations of what has been found.

    PM and TB. 2 of the greatest ever. But different standards.

  148. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 12:28 PM

    well well well there’s a tape of AJ confirming the employment dates,

    you were saying
    ——————
    I’m saying you’re all being duped, including Al Jazeera. But don’t let the words of the perpetrator stop you, after all, all of you are the same defenders of brady.

  149. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:29 PM

    When will the media investigate if the Broncos encouraged this HGH use before they signed him from the Colts?

    Maybe that part of his rehab was contingent on Horseteeth wanting to sign Gomer?

    Denver is known for cheating and trying to do everything possible, thinking they’re entitled to SB rings at the end of HOF QBs careers.

    In 1995, 1996 and 1997 Elway took deferred payments AFTER each season so they could cheat the cap, up against all other NFL teams to get the personnel advantages.

    Why does the media never mention this scandal?

    They act like it never happened, but it was the worst cheating scandal in NFL history.

    And now, Denver is involved yet again with actual, real and tangible cheating.

  150. margoadams says: Dec 29, 2015 12:33 PM

    If Goodell doesn’t have a multi million dollar year long investigation into Manning and his use of HGH the courts hearing Brady’s case is going to laugh in his face. I wouldn’t be surprised if they award Brady millions of dollars for putting him through this nonsense.

  151. steves11 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:34 PM

    I don’t know about Peyton Manning, but it’s obvious that Ryan Howard hasn’t been using HGH for years, based on his recent statistics.

  152. march131993 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:36 PM

    I think its all a bunch of bs. It’s already been stated the guy wasn’t even there during the supposed time period the Mannings were patients, & he stated he was TOLD by another person….. All “he said, she said.” BUT, for people questioning possible HGH being sent to Ashley when she may have been pregnant, etc….. Speaking from personal experience when doing any kind of fertility treatments before/during pregnancy, it is part of the medication regimen to take hormones. At one point during my first pregnancy I was on 3 injections a day. But they are very private & you’re not gonna hear anything related to that, & they don’t have to. It’s a very personal subject that a lot of people don’t want the world to know about. They deserve their privacy.

  153. danfromindy says: Dec 29, 2015 12:37 PM

    plum54,

    please link where he admitted he had HGH sent to his house….

    The NFL didn’t have to prove it… The Pats acknowledged it by paying a fine.. Keep up, if you get a speeding ticket and then pay the fine, you don’t go around telling everyone that the Police didn’t “prove” you sped… If you think Brady didn’t “more probably then not” know that the balls were under inflated, then you don’t have much respect for him. Since he argued to have that ability years ago with Manning…

  154. cinzano08 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:37 PM

    If pats haters don’t want to admit it now nothing will change there minds. Patriot hating is an obsession while the rest of NFL hgh cheaters, wife beaters, drug users, ped violators all get a pass from media, fans and NFL. Hypocrisy is rampant and the proof is very real. Manning using his wife as a fall guy is gutless and hes an outright liar.

  155. imodan says: Dec 29, 2015 12:37 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:22 AM

    This is not a back pedal at all. Manning was the one who denied he ever used PEDs, even though he was never actually accused of that in the first place.

    It’s a classic Nixon-era/beltway non-denial denial: Be accused of A, deny you did B and hope nobody calls you on it.

    Having said that, this is NOT good news for Manning at all. Still left unanswered is did his wife get (illegal) shipments of HGH to their home at the same exact time that Manning was rehabbing for a major injury? Let’s her them deny that and we”ll be onto something.

    Of course they won’t, as they have essentially admitted to it.

    All this means is the legal authorities (not ESPN/THe NFL etc) will be investigating these allegations and it will alll come out in the end. Just like BALCO, just llike that Miami PED shop that brought down Armstrong.

    Mannning can deny he used all he wants, but it sure looks like HGH was in his home illegally .

    People are going to go to jail for this.
    —————————————————–
    Exactly! HGH can not be prescribed off label for use for anything other than the 3 indications approved by law. Of course if this is proven to have occurred many people will be punished. Is there any doubt why that dope ( pun intended) Sly is now recanting everything we saw and heard him say in the documentary? He’s going away for a long, long time. Tip of the iceberg my friends, just the tip. If you haven’t seen the documentary you must. If you haven’t read what HGH can be legally prescribed for, read it. This story isn’t going away. It took a member of the not main stream media to break this wide open. It’s nice to see real journalism for a change.

  156. jag1959 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:37 PM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:55 AM
    Ever heard of a HIPAA violation?
    Are we supposed to ignore the media stomping on our rights?

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:35 AM
    So nobody else has an issue with the media being able to break federal laws? Nobody else cares that the media no regard or respect for people’s information that is protected under federal guidelines?
    ________________

    nofactman strikes again. The media is not bound by HIPAA, they are not breaking federal law. HIPAA applies to MOST health care providers, health plans and health care clearinghouses as well as SOME of their business associates. It is reprehensible that Charlie Sly may have violated his HIPAA obligations and Al Jazeera ran with it but only Sly might fairly be said to be in violation of Ashley Manning’s protected right to privacy.

    It is a source of some amusement that nofactman has made false statement after false statement about the Patriots and their owner but is alarmed that a ‘news organization’ reporting statements made by a third party displays a lack of respect.

    Anyone, including nofactman and Charlie Sly, can say most anything but it hardly constitutes proof other than perhaps proof of hypocrisy. Most reasonable people would certainly require a lot more by way of evidence to believe Manning used HGH just as most reasonable people needed to see ‘hard evidence’ before lending framegate any credence once the initial threads started unraveling

  157. quezebojones says: Dec 29, 2015 12:42 PM

    STOP. The guy that made all these allegations about Peyton and his wife was there two years after Peyton so how could he, an unpaid intern, have any knowledge of anything.

  158. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 12:42 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:03 PM

    Well well well. Al Jazeera later released a recording of the clinic telling them that he worked there in Oct 2011. Not that it matters. It appears to be fact that Manning’s wife received HGH shipments from that clinic during the season that manning missed due to injury.

    Someone is going to jail. And it will be a Manning included if they do not cooperate with the Feds. ESPN and the NFL goons can’t do a damn thing about that.
    ——–
    Actually, it appears a lot of people are going to look rather foolish. Can you or anyone prove the Al Jazeera tape is legit?

  159. chmba says: Dec 29, 2015 12:43 PM

    To STILLlolatpatshaters says:

    Off label HGH use is illegal for ANTI-AGING treatment. Not for some other uses.

    This story is full of HIPPA violations by both Sly and the subsequent users of the information. Guyer clinic may also be exposed. Penalties to $25,000/violation and worse.

    Multiple other players were mentioned…if they were ever patients at that clinic for any reason, more HIPPA violations at $25k+ each!

    At minimum, mention of Ashley Manning would be a violation and unless HGH was supplied to others these would be violations including mention of Peyton.

  160. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:44 PM

    My outrage is directed towards the reporters who inquire about obtaining information gained under illegal circumstances and the people who break the law supplying them with the illegally obtained information. Just because there’s a loophole it doesn’t absolve unethical practices. As a consumer of the media I’m free to express my contempt for their low standards and unethical behavior.

  161. silverandblack052099 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:44 PM

    Just to clear up some confusion about pregnancy and HGH and why didn’t Ashley get it from her OB, An OB/GYN would not prescribe a drug like HGH, he/she would refer their patient to a specialist who would examine the patient and the situation and make a decision from there.

    And wether or not Peyton used HGH, who cares. I garantee 10 to 15 players on your favorite team are using it right now.

  162. cinzano08 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:45 PM

    @dreadnok89, hgh and steroids are not the same but both are illegal. All major pro sports leagues and worldwide sports organizations have banned hgh for a reason. It improves performance and that can’t be denied otherwise why would these guys be using this illegal substance. using the injury excuse doesn’t make it right either.

  163. elvoid says: Dec 29, 2015 12:46 PM

    This is hilarious – in a bad way.

    We’ve got an accusation – not anything near proof, mind you – an accusation made by some until now unknown guy that was there for three months, that he shipped HGH to Manning’s wife. There is – to date – no proof that anything was ever shipped to his wife. He’s recanted, and the more that is known about him the less reliable a source he seems.

    And with this, we have a legion of posters convicting Manning.

    The ability to think logically and fairly seems to be lost on most of you. More evidence comes out, that could change things – but right now, this is just pathetic.

    Incidentally, the backtracking by AJ doesn’t bode well for them should a lawsuit arise. They’re essentially admitting they showed reckless disregard in the way this thing was presented. There’s no way anyone with half a brain could have interpreted it as less than a direct accusation at Manning – and now they try to say, “we’re not accusing him of anything…” well, that just digs their hole deeper and makes Manning’s burden of proof easier..

  164. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:52 PM

    Look at the media hacks trying to defend their sleazy activities.

  165. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 12:54 PM

    march131993 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:36 PM

    I think its all a bunch of bs. It’s already been stated the guy wasn’t even there during the supposed time period the Mannings were patients

    you’re 5 hours behind on your info, he was confirmed there in 2011

    still doesn’t prove anything but it sure doesn’t look good if you use the same eyes as the media and haters used on Brady.

  166. macker1283 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:55 PM

    Why would Peyton Manning, a top sports celebrity, at a time when even the appearance of cheating can end a reputation, allow HGH to be sent to one of his homes even if it were addressed to his dog? Do they not get the world we live in today and how that could appear?

  167. nflexecutivesconstantlylie says: Dec 29, 2015 12:56 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:13 AM

    The HGH was for Peyton’s wife, she had twins and was taking it for a pregnancy issue.
    _________________________________
    A pregnancy issue? LOL

    She gave birth in March of 2011. She conceived in July of 2010.

    It certainly wasn’t for fertility as most apologists want folks to believe.

  168. gwhite13 says: Dec 29, 2015 12:58 PM

    There is also an outside force at work.
    All those advertisers with Payton in them. They have a very vested interest here.
    At this very moment the front door at 345 Park ave. is being besieged to make this story GO AWAY.
    The commissioner himself has equated PEDS and psi, lets see if the voracity of investigation matches framegate.
    All of the people who out these cheaters have a slime factor.
    HGH come in an eppipen, must be stored in fridge and anyone in the house will notice it. Especially someone warned by NFL personnel about what and not to put in their body, would notice.
    Bob Kravitz, who broke deflategate got HGH from this clinic,by owner while not having any of the three reasons to receive it, admittingly.

  169. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 12:58 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    Your outrage should be directed at the multiple clinic employees who released this information. Al Jazeera appears to have done a fantastic job reporting and sourcing this piece of journalism.
    ———-
    Except that the perpetrator Charles Sly has already admitted he made the whole story up. They did a fantastic job reporting and sourcing a lie.

  170. RegisHawk says: Dec 29, 2015 1:00 PM

    NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport reports Ashley was a patient at the Guyer Institute in Indianapolis and did possess a prescription for an unknown drug. Peyton told ESPN’s Lisa Salters on NFL Countdown Sunday morning that any medical treatment his wife received is her business and that there’s no connection between her relationship with Dr. Guyer and his.

    I have yet to see any credible report that Ashley was having HGH mailed to her. At best there are stories that want you to infer that (because look at what the lemmings here will do with an inference).

    Peyton said his wife’s health situation is not anybody’s business, and he’s right. That in no way means she was getting HGH…unless you’ve already decided without proof.

    Sly also said he recanted his story to Al Jazeera when he realized that it had used information he had “made up” to British hurdler Liam Collins, the undercover reporter who Sly said was trying to get into the supplementation business.

    Sly said he was “testing” Al Jazeera’s undercover reporter by dropping “names like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Ryan Howard and James Harrison.” He said none were clients. While Manning, Howard and Harrison were mentioned in Al Jazeera’s HGH investigation, Jeter was not.

    Sounds like he made up a bunch of bunk in order to drop names to a potential client, which explains why he recanted later.

  171. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 1:01 PM

    footballfanatic says:

    1 … nothing has been proven about peyton and he hasnt been found guilt- Brady has.

    2 … brady lobbied to get rid of low PSI levels b/c he likes underinflated balls

    3 … maybe check ur facts before coming on here- remember…….”its better to keep quiet and have ppl think your dumb than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.

    ——————————
    1 Despite the lack of evidence against him (the NFL admitted in Federal Court that they had none), Brady was found guilty only in the court of public opinion. And now, so too has Manning.

    2 To my knowledge, PSI was never part of the lobbying. Use of broken in footballs was. And I have never heard anything suggesting Brady likes them underinflated.

    3 Your own words are words to live by. Give it a try.

  172. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:03 PM

    Yeah, to the dopey people above babbling about HIPAA, it’s not tied to the media. It’s tied to licensed medial professionals and people who handle medical records.

    Learn the facts before trying to sound intelligent.

    Gomer has confirmed a batch of HGH was purchased from a private firm, likely over the internet, and sent to his Ashley in Florida, where they were likely on vacation.

    Ashley vacationing and Gomer pumping HGH and rehabbing. Sounds about right.

  173. stiffarm13 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:03 PM

    The real odd thing about this story is how this “Sly” guy is just spitting out the names of these athletes to someone he doesn’t even know….You’re doing something illegal, yet you just meet some guy off the street and just start giving this guy names of professional athletes without any worry …. this type of activity would be what is considered “top secret” amongst anyone you are involved with …. so my opinion is this story is not what it’s cracked up to be …. especially since also finding out “Sly” didn’t work at the Guyer Institute til 2013

  174. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 1:04 PM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:52 PM

    Look at the media hacks trying to defend their sleazy activities

    again, where were you when this was happening over less evidence?

  175. anythingbutyanks says: Dec 29, 2015 1:05 PM

    Not alleging anything!? NO ONE cares about Ashley except that she is Mrs. Peyton Manning. The only reason to share any information about Ashley is to allege that Peyton may have been involved in an impropriety. Nice try.

  176. bradygirl12 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:05 PM

    Once your name is attached to something, even if you did nothing wrong,people will always wonder…it stains you. Just ask Tom Brady.

  177. imodan says: Dec 29, 2015 1:06 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:01 PM

    As for why he used Manning’s name even though he was no longer a patient at the clinic at the time Sly was employed there, Sly says he simply learned that Manning had been a patient there through other employees.

    “I said, ‘How did you come up with this story of Peyton and Ashley Manning?,’” Mortensen said. “And he said, ‘Well, when I was working there for those three months, somebody said that they used to be patients there.’”

    –Cork Gaines, Business Insider

    The defense rest Your Honor.
    ——————————————————
    Dude. Obviously you haven’t bothered to actually watch and LISTEN to the documentary. Sly specifically says he met Manning at the clinic, was a good guide and seemed genuine. So fast forward to now. Sly see’s he’s caught red handed, knows he’s going to jail along with a slug of others involved and somehow you can’t understand why he recanted? Geesh it’s all he had. He’s screwed, the clinic is screwed and the clients are screwed.

  178. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:06 PM

    No, Sly did not “admit” anything. Gomer told Ari Fleischer to write him a check and have him backpedal.

    All you need to see is Sly’s honest interview on that documentary clip to know Sly isn’t lying. Just because he wasn’t aware he wasn’t being recorded, doesn’t change the facts:

    Gomer Manning’s wife Ashley received HGH from the private dope firm.

  179. quizlingclinic says: Dec 29, 2015 1:12 PM

    The first ammendment is a loophole now?

  180. gimmeabruschi says: Dec 29, 2015 1:17 PM

    Manning showing “actual malice” on the part of those who published the disclosure seems a very very difficult prospect. I believe his track record in court is pretty dismal, so adding to that sad legacy would be unwise. But I suspect the concerned public would love to see the court discovery on this issue, so go for it PM. Let’s clear the air.

  181. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 1:19 PM

    factman, now doing some serious backpedalling when his own hypocrisy is highlighted, has suddenly developed a sense of right and wrong. What next, a growth spurt to full-fledged integrity? Good luck. We’re all pulling for you.

  182. istateyourname says: Dec 29, 2015 1:19 PM

    This is terrible…with the list of legal uses somebody posted above…what if AM got the AIDS? How bad would everyone look then? Maybe that is why the wierd respect my wife’s privacy statements were made. Or maybe her bowel is not long enough. I don’t know what that means at bathroom time, but it sounds embarrassing.

  183. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 1:19 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:58 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    Your outrage should be directed at the multiple clinic employees who released this information. Al Jazeera appears to have done a fantastic job reporting and sourcing this piece of journalism.
    ———-
    Except that the perpetrator Charles Sly has already admitted he made the whole story up. They did a fantastic job reporting and sourcing a lie

    After fumbling the last carry trying to be clever this is the new approach.

    People should take their own advice and wait until theres actual evidence.m

  184. imodan says: Dec 29, 2015 1:21 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:58 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    Your outrage should be directed at the multiple clinic employees who released this information. Al Jazeera appears to have done a fantastic job reporting and sourcing this piece of journalism.
    ———-
    Except that the perpetrator Charles Sly has already admitted he made the whole story up. They did a fantastic job reporting and sourcing a lie.
    ——————————————————-
    Admitted? Hardly. Lied through his teeth to save his own butt. This clown see’s the writing on the wall. A wall he will share in prison with the other’s who broke the law at that clinic.

  185. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:26 PM

    Loophole- An error in the way a law, rule, or contract is written that makes it possible for some people to legally avoid obeying it

    The first amendment is now a loophole?
    In this circumstance, yes. Well, according to the definition of a loophole at least.

  186. lanman11 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:26 PM

    I can’t wait for the $5 Million Dollar Ted Wells report detailing how it’s “more probable than not” that Peyton’s wife was using the HGH herself, and there is no evidence of a scheme to rehabilitate Peyton’s injuries with felonious prescription drug fraud, even though he was healing from injuries and surgeries where HGH is recommended, and made a miraculous recovery. The NFL will do everything in it’s power to intimidate the media and sweep this under the rug for their chosen one.

  187. selfpromotingqb says: Dec 29, 2015 1:26 PM

    He’s a cheater just like half of the Packers team.
    He used them and had his 2 best seasons after 4 neck surgeries at age 36 and 37

  188. fanofschill says: Dec 29, 2015 1:26 PM

    Love this . I could careless about HGH if he did or didn’t do it but I love that it’s being talked about like he did.

    Like Brady nothing proved, all assumptions. NFL fans were like “he did it, just admit it” with Brady but now that it’s Manning it’s “let’s wait and see” or “there is no proof”.

    The people who said Brady should provide his phone- Should Manning? If he has nothing to hide shouldn’t he show it? That’s what you were all saying about Brady in June.

    They didn’t prove it but you know the “deflator” text is the smoking gun, right? You argued. More of a smoking gun then Manning’s wife receiving HGH shipments? The world all laughed at Roger Clemens when he said it was his wife doing HGH injections but in this scenario it’s different because its Manning? Manning more of candidate in need of HGH in 2011 then Clemens back in the day.

  189. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 1:29 PM

    Again, I am supporting Manning even though I think his pr is caving in around him. He and his representatives should stop talking. I love football. I hate these witch hunts.

    That said, I have to admit it is amusing to see all of these monikers that have been bashing Tom Brady for the better part of year, virtually daily, do a 180 degree turn to support Peyton when the facts against Manning are much more damning and reliable than the case against Brady.

    No need to point out the specific monikers, we all know them.

  190. RavenzGunnerz says: Dec 29, 2015 1:31 PM

    Maybe Peyton Manning’s wife has a home business🙂

  191. varangia says: Dec 29, 2015 1:35 PM

    This is a huge story. The wife has to issue a public statement. Did she receive HGH at the family home, or not?

    Assuming she did, then the NFL needs some new rules. Let’s be honest, we all assume that if a spouse is getting a banned substance in the mail to the family home, that the husband athlete will take the drug.

  192. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 1:36 PM

    A list of all the legit NFL passing records held by Peyton* Manning:

    ….

    The end.

  193. Michael Heiser says: Dec 29, 2015 1:39 PM

    Roger Goodell and the NFL front office drew the comparison of PSI to the same competitive advantage of HGH during Deflate Gate. Goodell is an even bigger fraud if he doesn’t investigate Peyton with the same diligence as he did with Brady.

  194. lambeauheap says: Dec 29, 2015 1:40 PM

    The Pats acknowledged it by paying a fine..

    The pretzels grasping at the only straws they have left.

    Brady appealed, because “he did not speed” as per your bad metaphor

    What was Kraft going to do, sue himself? Do you have a clue, dannyboy?

  195. factman66 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:41 PM

    For the record, I’m not defending Peyton. Actually, it wouldn’t shock me if he did some HGH while laid up with those neck surgeries. My issue is with the medical information and the media hiding behind the first amendment to steal it. I was equally as upset when it happened to JPP.

  196. Cavs2016NBAWorldChampions says: Dec 29, 2015 1:44 PM

    Was Ashley Manning training for the Olympics or something? I dont recall her being in the Olympics.

    Manning’s I may sue for defamtion is the lamest attempt at a threat I’ve ever heard of. If you are totally innocent, you would say I am suing their you know whats off.

    Hmmmm curious the NFL started testing for HGH last year, considering that was the first time I noticed Peyton having zero zip on his passes.

    Lots of coincidences here.

    No denying the HGH was sent in her name. Talk about smelling like a rat. If Peyton Manning had nothing to hide, why wouldnt it go in his name.

    Rehabbing from neck surgeries time line coinciding from HGH shipments.

    Hmm, sure doesnt look good for Peyton, just saying.

  197. ebdug says: Dec 29, 2015 1:46 PM

    This has all the earmarks of a terrorist plot to undermine American vajues. Goodell appears to be an unwitting accomplice.

  198. thermanmerman99 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:50 PM

    Yet Boston fans defend David Ortiz the HGH king to the fullest. Total hypocrites.

  199. BradyIsTheGCOAT says: Dec 29, 2015 1:51 PM

    Brady cheats.

  200. 1look2013 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:52 PM

    If Ashley Manning was prescribed HGH for fertility issues, she would be under the care of an OB GYN, or fertility specialists not a sports rehab clinic.

  201. danfromindy says: Dec 29, 2015 1:53 PM

    You can call me all the names you want. Your team is the one that admitted to cheating…. Your team threw it’s HOF QB under the bus, twice… If Kraft didn’t believe that any tampering was done to the footballs outside of the rules, he shouldn’t have paid the fine. BE MAD AT KRAFT!! Not the 99% of football fans that thought the whole thing was stupid (from actually deflating the balls to caring that they did)…

    For the record, I defended Brady and really the Pats until they paid the fine… I still will go the rest of my life thinking it really didn’t matter in the 100s of games they probably did it in.. It just isn’t a big deal. If it was, the NFL wouldn’t allow teams to have control over the balls at all.

    If you Pats fans would just take a page from your HOF coach and remember “we are onto…” and just let it drop, everyone could get on without having to listen to you all whine about “framing” and “the NFL out to get you”… Wake up, you are the only ones left who cares….

  202. lscottman3 says: Dec 29, 2015 1:54 PM

    poor danny in indiana, he will never get out…

  203. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 1:55 PM

    I absolutely LOATHE cheaters and all those apologists who defend cheating to suit their agenda.

    Cheaters have no place in sports. Time to strike all of Peyton* records out so more deserving players who didn’t cheat can get recognized for their legit accomplishments.
    😦

  204. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 1:57 PM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 1:41 PM

    For the record, I’m not defending Peyton. Actually, it wouldn’t shock me if he did some HGH while laid up with those neck surgeries. My issue is with the medical information and the media hiding behind the first amendment to steal it. I was equally as upset when it happened to JPP

    I agree with this pov. I wouldn’t limit my outrage to medical issues. irresponsible or illegal are on either side of the same loophole

  205. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 2:04 PM

    now that “we are onto” Peyton-bashing, danfromindy throws a hissy fit.

  206. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 2:05 PM

    PED cheaters really are scum.

    PED cheating is like being a poor guy who steals a Lamborghini and then brags that he earned it.

  207. danfromindy says: Dec 29, 2015 2:14 PM

    Why should I care if people bash Peyton? He isn’t my QB he wasn’t my QB in 2011 nor has he been since? I’m on board with bashing, just need a little more proof than an intern that now has recanted. Give me something, a shipping label, any piece of paper or another person to corroborate this interns first story and I’m on board! I think it was irresponsible to air the piece (which I watched) without having a little more “proof” before they named all those pro athletes. Indy has enough problems with a dysfunctional GM and coach relationship. Indy might be starting a practice player QB this week… Hell, maybe Luck should take the HGH so he can get back on the field….

  208. mr johannes says: Dec 29, 2015 2:30 PM

    Oh danny, Oh Dannyfromindy

    There’s such a thing as irony here. And irony – that king of the humorous category – never lets an opportunity pass to have some comedic sport with contradictions. There’s far more circumstantial evidence here already than in the NFL’s poor attempt to smear Thomas Winston Churchill Brady; grasping that will help you to limit the cost of irony’s festival on your expense

    As for Mr. Kraft; he had no real choice in this matter. He’d have to sue the league and that’s not much of an option now is it? Perhaps, just perhaps, you should look at Thomas W.C. Brady in a new light now.

  209. subzero05 says: Dec 29, 2015 2:33 PM

    There are few things I despise more than propaganda but that’s all I’ve seen from every media outlet including this one. The Al Jazeera reporter is not “backpedaling,” the report is as it was when it initially came out. Charlie Sly was secretly recorded over the course of 12 days, and was consistent in his statements. The media fails to acknowledge that, only pointing out that he “recanted” and says he “made it all up.” The report always said that the hgh was in his wife’s name. Now, unless we are all to believe that Peyton would get this in his name, then all the biased reporting by Trey Wingo, Carson Daly, and pretty much every American outlet is displaying is appalling really. A Cam Newton or Russell Wilson would never get away with this. Neither would Brady but that is mainly because they’ve been accused multiple times of other things

  210. henke1966 says: Dec 29, 2015 2:35 PM

    Considering all the great teams they have had through the years and all the recent SB victories, it is very odd that so many Patriot fans have some sort of inferiority complex towards Peyton Manning. If I was a Pats fan, I sure wouldn’t care much about trying to raise Brady/lower Manning, it is clear who has been more successful. It must be the cheating aspect of it all, it’s to bad they don’t get to fully enjoy the NE dominance, instead they are always defending…

  211. rob471773 says: Dec 29, 2015 2:36 PM

    The Bronco’s should immediately be docked a 1st and 4th round pick, just for their QB being accused.

    We can worry about getting to the truth later, but in order to be consistent the Bronco’s should be penalized for being accused of something.

  212. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 2:40 PM

    quizlingclinic says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:13 PM

    Your outrage should be directed at the multiple clinic employees who released this information. Al Jazeera appears to have done a fantastic job reporting and sourcing this piece of journalism.
    ———-
    Except that the perpetrator Charles Sly has already admitted he made the whole story up. They did a fantastic job reporting and sourcing a lie.
    ——————————————————-
    Admitted? Hardly. Lied through his teeth to save his own butt. This clown see’s the writing on the wall. A wall he will share in prison with the other’s who broke the law at that clinic.
    ———–
    Whatever, believe what you will. Like the story that brady destroyed his cell phone the day before appearing in court because he wanted to upgrade to 10 month old i6, after claiming it routine, he revealed he had an even older one that was not destroyed. Please, don’t let the obvious, bite you in the butt.

  213. tskocpol says: Dec 29, 2015 2:43 PM

    This does not really seem like a huge change in the story — just a CYA to make it clear that Payton, if he files a defamation suit, will have to deal with what the story really says: that HGH was regularly shipped to his wife. No one in the Manning camp has denied that and it is suspicious for sure.

    Al Jezeera has also released the audio of its phone call checking the guy’s employment date at the clinic, and the clinic confirmed 2011 then, before changing its story now.

    I see today that reporters are falling all over themselves to say there is nothing here and it all should be dropped. Can we imagine that response if Tom Brady’s wife or sister or father was accused of regularly receiving shipments of HGH? Everyone would be calling for Brady to be banned from playing and another multimillion dollar “investigation” (in that order).

    But, here, there will be no real investigation. The NFL, meanwhile, is spending more than $1000 per hour to pursue phantom minor stuff against Brady.

    I do not know if the HGH charges are true, but they are a lot more serious with preliminary indications behind them than the PSI nonsense ever was.

  214. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 2:45 PM

    “dingusgenius says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:03 PM

    That is not exclusive to laughing at the media/fan reaction to something like this that would be full steam ahead bashing if it was Brady. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. ”

    Yeah. There’s a simple answer for that. People think manning is an honest guy. They think brady is a cheat and a liar. It’s not arbitrary. It’s a perception that’s been EARNED over a long period of time. At the end of this, most pats fans will be left disappointed, because it won’t amount to anything. Just like Big Ben on the sideline with a “phone”.

    Still Pats fans defend brady for “upgrading” to an iphone6 (which came out months before) and “disposing of” his current phone on exact day of the wells interview.

  215. Blindsquirrelsfindnuts says: Dec 29, 2015 2:46 PM

    march131993 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 12:36 PM
    I think its all a bunch of bs. It’s already been stated the guy wasn’t even there during the supposed time period the Mannings were patients, & he stated he was TOLD by another person….. All “he said, she said.” BUT, for people questioning possible HGH being sent to Ashley when she may have been pregnant, etc….. Speaking from personal experience when doing any kind of fertility treatments before/during pregnancy, it is part of the medication regimen to take hormones. At one point during my first pregnancy I was on 3 injections a day. But they are very private & you’re not gonna hear anything related to that, & they don’t have to. It’s a very personal subject that a lot of people don’t want the world to know about. They deserve their privacy.

    0 2
    Report comment

    ————-

    The hormones you were taking weren’t human growth hormones. You were more than likely injecting clomid or serophene. Those drugs are usually combined with other things like HCG or FSH and others. These are forms of hormones injected for specific purposes to help stimulate the ovaries to produce more viable eggs for retrieval. HGH is not used during an IVF cycle anywhere, they were tried during the months leading up to the start of a cycle years ago but studies showed they provide no additional benefits in this particular area.

  216. supra23 says: Dec 29, 2015 2:47 PM

    Deflate gate there was actual deflated footballs. In this there is a recanted story from an intern who didn’t intern until 2 years after he allegedly took it.

    Oh yeah, he shattered the record books his 2nd season back not his first.

  217. sxk129 says: Dec 29, 2015 2:54 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:40 PM

    Whatever, believe what you will. Like the story that brady destroyed his cell phone the day before appearing in court because he wanted to upgrade to 10 month old i6, after claiming it routine, he revealed he had an even older one that was not destroyed. Please, don’t let the obvious, bite you in the butt.

    =======================================================

    What you are conveniently omitting is that the phone from November 6th (which he provided to the NFL) overlaps the dates of the text message conversations between McNally and JJ which are specifically discussing balls being over-inflated.
    Wouldn’t you expect it to have some nefarious texts instructing the underlings to deflate the balls?
    And yet the NFL found nothing.

  218. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 29, 2015 3:03 PM

    #Cheater
    #Tainted4Eva
    #AllPeytonsRecordsMeanNothingToMe
    #MightAsWellHaveNeverSetThem

  219. sxk129 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:10 PM

    supra23 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:47 PM
    Deflate gate there was actual deflated footballs. In this there is a recanted story from an intern who didn’t intern until 2 years after he allegedly took it.

    ======================================

    You really need to keep up with the news.
    Al Jazeera released the video of the call to Guyer clinic confirming that Sly worked there for 2 to 3 months starting in October 2011.
    As far as his “recanting” goes- he is on video making his allegations.
    And he has changed his reason for recanting 2 times. Most probably he is trying to avoid being disciplined or sued for violating HIPAA laws.

  220. danfromindy says: Dec 29, 2015 3:17 PM

    mr johannes says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:30 PM
    Oh danny, Oh Dannyfromindy

    There’s such a thing as irony here. And irony – that king of the humorous category – never lets an opportunity pass to have some comedic sport with contradictions. There’s far more circumstantial evidence here already than in the NFL’s poor attempt to smear Thomas Winston Churchill Brady; grasping that will help you to limit the cost of irony’s festival on your expense

    As for Mr. Kraft; he had no real choice in this matter. He’d have to sue the league and that’s not much of an option now is it? Perhaps, just perhaps, you should look at Thomas W.C. Brady in a new light now.

    ————————-

    I think you don’t quite understand my point. First I think Brady is one of the greatest all time and I love the debate about whose the best (Montana, Manning, or any other one), you can make argument for all.

    The irony, that you seem to see, is only seen through Pats fans who start from the idea that the NFL tried to “smear” anyone… Brady is the NFL golden boy not Manning and even after being on a “questionable” team that has been caught several times, his reputation is still untarnished. He will go down as one of the greatest and that is in spite of his organizations questionable choices… I don’t find the irony in something I don’t care about… Brady knew the balls were deflated and I don’t care…. Manning might have taken HGH in a year he was sitting out (leaving my Colts with Painter for a year) then not giving the Colts and extension to see if he could still throw a ball… He wasn’t actually in the league that year (other than on a roster) so I don’t care if took HGH. Now if he was taking it when he went to Denver… That’s another more important issue. I would care about that and think he should be out of the league. Just watching him play the last few years, has me very skeptical he was taking any PED since he certainly was about “average” (minus a few good games) his second year in Denver.

  221. mikeytoth says: Dec 29, 2015 3:21 PM

    Cheater. Plain and simple. Such a loser to use his wife as a scapegoat for his doping of hgh. Tainted beyond belief in my eyes. What manning has done makes Brady look like an angel. I bet Archie took hgh to get it up so he can have those morons.

  222. jag1959 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:22 PM

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 11:55 AM
    “nice 180 btw. where have you been while Brady suffered the same crap”

    I’m not sure what you mean. My opinion was consistent with when it happened to JPP. I’m not sure where Brady comes in to the discussion, but had someone illegally obtained his medical reports I would still bash the media and medical facility.

    factman66 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 1:41 PM
    For the record, I’m not defending Peyton. Actually, it wouldn’t shock me if he did some HGH while laid up with those neck surgeries. My issue is with the medical information and the media hiding behind the first amendment to steal it. I was equally as upset when it happened to JPP.
    _________________

    I am a Giants guy and thought for sure I would remember if the factless one and I were ever on the same side of any issue before. But rather than trust my memory I went back and looked at the comments on each of the JPP articles. Yeah, you guessed it, nothing there. Occasionally attempting to project oneself as a voice of reason doesn’t cover lies and trolling elsewhere.

    The media didn’t steal anything in either case, it was supplied to them. It was ethically wrong of the leaker and morally wrong of the media then just as it is now.

  223. tylawspick6 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:23 PM

    All I know is, if this was Brady, ESPN would have 75 tv trucks backed up to Gillette banging down the door demanding answers.

    Despicable and disingenuous INDEED.

    Mortensen looked into Gomer’s eyes and saw the truth, yet Mortensen was the one lied to by Goodell/Pash or was in on what Goodell wanted, knowing Goodell/Pash had fixed the original PSI readings to garner public support just like when Goodell lied about Spygate, only to misrepresent the tapes to the public.

    How much more lying and disingenuous behavior can fans take directed down from Park Ave and ESPN?

  224. throwingstones20 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:23 PM

    GUILTY!!!!!!!

  225. bstngrdn says: Dec 29, 2015 3:28 PM

    henke1966 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:35 PM
    Considering all the great teams they have had through the years and all the recent SB victories, it is very odd that so many Patriot fans have some sort of inferiority complex towards Peyton Manning. If I was a Pats fan, I sure wouldn’t care much about trying to raise Brady/lower Manning, it is clear who has been more successful. It must be the cheating aspect of it all, it’s to bad they don’t get to fully enjoy the NE dominance, instead they are always defending…
    I don’t think the NE fans have an inferiority complex about Peyton. In fact I can remember that one of the big complaints from NE detractors was that the Pat’s fans had a superiority complex about themselves and the team. The defense stance stems from the unfair way in which the team and particularly Brady was treated and now when someone else is on the receiving end many people want to dismiss the accusations out of hand. In both cases, what should have happened with Brady and what now should happen with Manning is that facts/evidence should be produced or the person being accused should be presumed innocent.

  226. crush22 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:35 PM

    Patsies*
    Francis*

  227. supra23 says: Dec 29, 2015 3:38 PM

    sxk129 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 3:10 PM

    You really need to keep up with the news.
    Al Jazeera released the video of the call to Guyer clinic confirming that Sly worked there for 2 to 3 months starting in October 2011.
    As far as his “recanting” goes- he is on video making his allegations.
    And he has changed his reason for recanting 2 times. Most probably he is trying to avoid being disciplined or sued for violating HIPAA laws.
    =================================

    ACTUALLY, he was an licensed intern from 2010 – 2013. Where he only interned at that facility for 3 months in 2013, get your facts straight.

  228. youknowiknowitall says: Dec 29, 2015 4:04 PM

    Dannyboy from Indy doesn’t see the irony in needing “a little more proof” with regards to Manning but is all in on “Brady knew the balls were deflated” without any proof.

  229. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM

    In response to the post above, the Patriots were not docked a 1st and 4th round draft choice for any bad acts (none were found); they were docked draft choices so Goodell could placate owners that can’t compete with the Patriots on the field of play. Goodell literally redistributed assets away from the Patriots as a handicap. Deflategate is really an admission by the NFL that parity is a joke and that the Patriots are too good to be allowed to compete on an equal playing field. In the past, the NFL would change the rules to handicap the Patriots. Now they confiscate assets and try to suspend star players.

  230. bushwoodcc says: Dec 29, 2015 4:09 PM

    truthfactory says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:19 AM
    This is pretty simple to solve… The guy and the clinic said he didn’t work there until 2013, and even then it was a 3 month un-paid internship.

    Al Jazeria said they confirmed that he worked there in 2011. Why can’t Al Jazeria simply provide what proof they have that he actually worked there in 2011? That would go a long way towards giving credibility to the story.

    If they haven’t properly vetted a fairly simple fact, then their credibility goes flying out the window.

    If you’re going to drag a guy through the mud, you should at least be able to prove that the accuser and Manning were at least in a position to meet and speak before you publish a report of this magnitude. Simply saying “trust us, we verified he worked there at the time” is laughable considering the mud they are slinging here
    _______________________________________

    Ummm, you do realize that Al Jazeera has published the video of the reporter calling Guyers HR Director and the director says that Sly signed on in 2011? The reporter even asks “So it sounds like you remember him?” And the Director replies “Oh yes”.

    Also, the information he disclosed (that HGH was shipped to Mrs Manning, never Peyton) would not require Sly to have ever met Peyton. Access to medical records or shipping information at Guyer could provide such information. As could other employees openly discussing these things. All of these are things that the Mannings could seek action against Guyer and Sly over, so they have a vested interested in trying to put this to rest.

    So, as you yourself said, that phone call Al Jazeera published goes a long toward establishing credibility of their story.

    At this point Guyer and Sly are the ones whose credibility you should be the most suspect of. As I alluded to above they have plenty of reason to lie about this at the moment. HIPPA violations, NDA violations, as well potential investigations from regulatory agencies over their prescriptions and treatment methods.

    Now none of that means Peyton took HGH, but to think that it isn’t a distinct possibility is burying your head in the sand.

  231. fanosport says: Dec 29, 2015 4:14 PM

    Peyton M and Ari Fleischer have already gone on the record admitting that Ashley Manning received medications sent from the Guyer Institute. Until Mrs. Manning makes a public statement explaining and documenting why she used the substances prescribed, everyone will automatically assume these packages contained HGH for her husband. It is way too late for her to hide behind claims of privacy. Absent such a formal statement, her husband will never be cleared of these accusations in the court of public opinion.

  232. istateyourname says: Dec 29, 2015 4:21 PM

    I would guess that an anti-aging clinic’s patient roster would be 95% females. Could all be AM’s deal.

  233. VenerableAxiom says: Dec 29, 2015 4:50 PM

    sxk129 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:54 PM
    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:40 PM

    Whatever, believe what you will. Like the story that brady destroyed his cell phone the day before appearing in court because he wanted to upgrade to 10 month old i6, after claiming it routine, he revealed he had an even older one that was not destroyed. Please, don’t let the obvious, bite you in the butt.

    =======================================================

    What you are conveniently omitting is that the phone from November 6th (which he provided to the NFL) overlaps the dates of the text message conversations between McNally and JJ which are specifically discussing balls being over-inflated.
    Wouldn’t you expect it to have some nefarious texts instructing the underlings to deflate the balls?
    And yet the NFL found nothing.
    ———-
    Except for the likely possibility any instructions to do so were long ago understood, and that actually making mention of doing so as a text message would be foolish. What was of concern, was conversations following the equipment guys getting caught sneaking the balls into the bathroom.

  234. firemikekensil says: Dec 29, 2015 5:14 PM

    I will try not to repeat what others are stating.

    FACTS:

    Ashley Manning receive medication of some sort (presumably HGH)

    Peyton does not deny this.

    If it were HGH – Ashley gave birth to the twins in March. She would NOT need it to get pregnant since she would have already been pregnant in 2010. (do the math)🙂

    If she were nursing her twins – there are not any animal studies to date that show HGH is safe for babies that are being nursed. I HIGHLY doubt any mother would take that risk.

  235. firemikekensil says: Dec 29, 2015 5:19 PM

    supra23 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 3:38 PM

    ACTUALLY, he was an licensed intern from 2010 – 2013. Where he only interned at that facility for 3 months in 2013, get your facts straight.

    +++++++++

    ACTUALLY – you will need to do some fact checking. It was confirmed that he worked there in 2011 by their HR department.

  236. lambeauheap says: Dec 29, 2015 5:25 PM

    Let the trolls be trolls fellow pats fans,

    Our team is 12-3 and headed to SB 50, they’re team can’t break the top 20 on Florio’s Power Rankings

  237. subzero05 says: Dec 29, 2015 5:26 PM

    Also noticeable, you go to Espn, NFL Network, or most sports news sites and this story is nowhere on full display. Practically in the background or near the bottom, and not the round the clock coverage other athletes would probably receive.

    I want to believe Peyton and would be okay if he used it after surgery to recover. But the media’s response and cover up of this is disturbing.

  238. sxk129 says: Dec 29, 2015 5:35 PM

    supra23 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 3:38 PM

    ACTUALLY, he was an licensed intern from 2010 – 2013. Where he only interned at that facility for 3 months in 2013, get your facts straight.

    ===================================

    ACTUALLY, I do have my facts straight. Go to the Al Jazeera America web site- they have published the video where they call the Guyer clinic and confirm the starting date of Sly’s rotation there as 10-17-2011 for a duration of about 3 months.
    Maybe you should exit the fact-free zone and return to the real world.

  239. chicagobucks says: Dec 29, 2015 5:56 PM

    The story is called “The Dark Side: Secrets of the sports dopers”. So, unless Ashley Manning is a prominent pro athlete now, then I would say the reporter is pretty clearly making an implied accusation that Peyton Manning is doping illegally. To say otherwise, appears to be extremely dishonest on the reporter’s part. If they’re so sure of the sources, then they should stand behind the accusations they make and not try to side step them.

  240. whywerule says: Dec 29, 2015 6:00 PM

    tigerlilac says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM
    In response to the post above, the Patriots were not docked a 1st and 4th round draft choice for any bad acts (none were found)….Deflategate is really an admission by the NFL that parity is a joke and that the Patriots are too good to be allowed to compete on an equal playing field. In the past, the NFL would change the rules to handicap the Patriots. Now they confiscate assets and try to suspend star players

    Truer words than the above have never been written on this portal.

    Enjoy it while you can Pats haters and lovers. The New England Patriots are the greatest sports dynasty you, your children and your grandchildren will see in your lifetimes.

  241. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 6:44 PM

    “whywerule says:
    Dec 29, 2015 6:00 PM
    tigerlilac says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM
    In response to the post above, the Patriots were not docked a 1st and 4th round draft choice for any bad acts (none were found)….Deflategate is really an admission by the NFL that parity is a joke and that the Patriots are too good to be allowed to compete on an equal playing field. In the past, the NFL would change the rules to handicap the Patriots. Now they confiscate assets and try to suspend star players

    Truer words than the above have never been written on this portal.”

    And theyre wrong. The NFL issued a statement punishing the patriots for cheating. Any other interpretation is wishful thinking by pats fans. Pats are OFFICIALLY cheaters according to the NFL. TWICE.

    “”Based on the extensive record developed in the investigation and detailed in the Wells report, and after full consideration of this matter by the Commissioner and the Football Operations department, we have determined that the Patriots have violated the NFL’s Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules, as well as the Official Playing Rules and the established guidelines for the preparation of game footballs set forth in the NFL’s Game Operations Policy Manual for Member Clubs. In making this determination, we have accepted the findings contained in the comprehensive report independently prepared by Mr. Wells and his colleagues.”

  242. coloradotennisfan says: Dec 29, 2015 7:05 PM

    Manning’s major problems will stem from a federal investigation about illegal HGH usage unless perhaps the statute of limitations has expired. Sly will be a major target of the investigation for HIPAA violations. He will be used to provide evidence against the clinic. The Mannings may both be dragged into the investigation probably to confirm the clinic’s role. If Sly does not cooperate, he will face jail time and possibly fines. He is likely to fold. If there is strong evidence that the clinic supplied HGH to Ashley Manning and others, the clinic directors will be facing serious consequences. The Mannings may be forced to testify about the HGH shipments and possibly usage.

    A federal investigation will bring the truth about Sly’s allegations. I am skeptical about his recantation. He has strong motivation to recant.

  243. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 29, 2015 7:42 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 29, 2015 6:44 PM

    “whywerule says:
    Dec 29, 2015 6:00 PM
    tigerlilac says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:06 PM
    In response to the post above, the Patriots were not docked a 1st and 4th round draft choice for any bad acts (none were found)….Deflategate is really an admission by the NFL that parity is a joke and that the Patriots are too good to be allowed to compete on an equal playing field. In the past, the NFL would change the rules to handicap the Patriots. Now they confiscate assets and try to suspend star players

    Truer words than the above have never been written on this portal.”

    And theyre wrong. The NFL issued a statement punishing the patriots for cheating. Any other interpretation is wishful thinking by pats fans. Pats are OFFICIALLY cheaters according to the NFL. TWICE.

    “”Based on the extensive record developed in the investigation and detailed in the Wells report, and after full consideration of this matter by the Commissioner and the Football Operations department, we have determined that the Patriots have violated the NFL’s Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules, as well as the Official Playing Rules and the established guidelines for the preparation of game footballs set forth in the NFL’s Game Operations Policy Manual for Member Clubs. In making this determination, we have accepted the findings contained in the comprehensive report independently prepared by Mr. Wells and his colleagues

    if you have read wells and have a Jr high understanding of physics and you still buy this then fine, you’re beyond convincing and the NFL has stated the patriots are violators. Cheaters is your editorial opinion. Cheater is anyone who breaks any rule. do you really want to play cards with that weak hand? grow up, admit you bought a lie and move on. could happen to anyone.

  244. tigerlilac says: Dec 29, 2015 7:43 PM

    helmetcatch, some truths are self evident. The NFL admitted there was no proof against Brady when asked directly by a federal judge. Case closed.

    You are confusing the arguments made in court pleadings with facts. The NFL thought they were going to be able to keep their truthful admissions sealed from public view. Judge Berman would not let the NFL say one thing in private to him and another thing to the public. That was Solomon-like on his part.

  245. kensilisacrook says: Dec 29, 2015 7:59 PM

    The NFL will be irrationally taking Indy or Denver’s #1 pick and a 2nd rounder the following year without actual evidence, right? I mean, Indy has pumped in noise and Denver has a history of fudging the salary cap/cheating in their Super Bowl years, so there’s a history there. Conversely, the idiots in the NFL offices could give back the Patriots’ picks they took without proof or reason. Doesn’t feel very fair or good, does it Horseshoe or Donkey fans? Shoe, other foot…

  246. sueb45 says: Dec 29, 2015 8:28 PM

    RegisHawk says:
    Dec 29, 2015 10:16 AM
    At this point, there isn’t even proof that HGH was sent to his wife. It’s an allegation. If you Pats apologists want to claim that an allegation is a fact, then you can admit that Brady cheated.
    ———-
    I’m a Pats fan and I hope Peyton is innocent and sues this “news” organization for defamation. What we Patriots fans want, is not to bring accusation and innuendo on any other teams players; but, to get equal treatment for ours. Goodell said that deflating footballs is equal to PED use…..so where’s the outrage, the accusations from the NFL, media, etc, etc, etc….where’s the 5 million dollar investigation and false leaks that led weak-minded not too bright people who didn’t read the studies, legal briefs, etc to believe the false accusations? People who seem to want to put down ‘Pats apologists’ and not even question Manning? Again, I like Peyton, I hope this is all garbage….can’t you ever give Brady the benefit of the doubt (and don’t fool yourself–there is lots and lots of doubt—in fact, downright proof that the accusations against Brady are hogwash).

  247. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 8:34 PM

    “tigerlilac says:
    Dec 29, 2015 7:43 PM
    helmetcatch, some truths are self evident. The NFL admitted there was no proof against Brady when asked directly by a federal judge. Case closed.”

    As usual youre being deceitful. They admitted there was no “DIRECT” evidence against brady.

    Two pertinent points. First, they use the word direct, which means they DO have circumstantial evidence. AND, the excerpt from the ruling from the NFL I posted was for the penalty against the Patriots organization, not Brady. The penalty against the patriots has NOTHING to do with the berman ruling. Kraft accepted the ruling, wording, penalties, all of it. NO fight whatsoever. Contrary to what pats fans think, he COULD HAVE fought. He didn’t. GUILTY.

  248. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 8:36 PM

    “sueb45 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 8:28 PM

    ———-
    I’m a Pats fan and I hope Peyton is innocent and sues this “news” organization for defamation. ”

    The league said a day after the report that they are investigating. They are investigating this despite a recanted recollection from the ONLY source. What more do you want?

  249. sueb45 says: Dec 29, 2015 8:38 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 4:50 PM
    sxk129 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:54 PM
    VenerableAxiom says:
    Dec 29, 2015 2:40 PM

    Whatever, believe what you will. Like the story that brady destroyed his cell phone the day before appearing in court because he wanted to upgrade to 10 month old i6, after claiming it routine, he revealed he had an even older one that was not destroyed. Please, don’t let the obvious, bite you in the butt.

    =======================================================

    What you are conveniently omitting is that the phone from November 6th (which he provided to the NFL) overlaps the dates of the text message conversations between McNally and JJ which are specifically discussing balls being over-inflated.
    Wouldn’t you expect it to have some nefarious texts instructing the underlings to deflate the balls?
    And yet the NFL found nothing.
    ———-
    Except for the likely possibility any instructions to do so were long ago understood, and that actually making mention of doing so as a text message would be foolish. What was of concern, was conversations following the equipment guys getting caught sneaking the balls into the bathroom.
    ——————
    How does your cell phone work? Mine keeps both sides of the conversation, the NFL had McNally and Jastremskis phone, therefore, they had Brady’s communications with them—as confirmed by the phone company records that he turned over to Goodell which showed that his phone records matched their phones–no other calls or texts….facts are pesky little things.

  250. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 8:39 PM

    Mo’ Pro Babble says:
    Dec 29, 2015 7:42 PM


    if you have read wells and have a Jr high understanding of physics and you still buy this then fine,”

    Don’t give me the ideal gas law BS. The exponent report goes into it in excruciating detail. The only person Brady could find to refute it was an ECONOMICS professor from yale, who was crushed on cross examination.

  251. jag1959 says: Dec 29, 2015 8:40 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 29, 2015 6:44 PM
    ”Based on the extensive record developed in the investigation and detailed in the Wells report, and after full consideration of this matter by the Commissioner and the Football Operations department, we have determined that the Patriots have violated the NFL’s Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules, as well as the Official Playing Rules and the established guidelines for the preparation of game footballs set forth in the NFL’s Game Operations Policy Manual for Member Clubs. In making this determination, we have accepted the findings contained in the comprehensive report independently prepared by Mr. Wells and his colleagues.”
    ___________________

    LOl, even the league has distanced itself from the Well$ report, admitted it was not independent and moved the goal posts repeatedly. The Well$ report itself admits in it’s own footnotes nothing was actually proven and the league’s own attorney admitted in court there was no direct evidence. To hang ones hat on the original decision that in turn hung it’s hat on a now thoroughly debunked fraudulent ‘report’ is pretty weak stuff, laughable in fact.

  252. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 8:46 PM

    “jag1959 says:
    Dec 29, 2015 8:40 PM

    ___________________

    LOl, even the league has distanced itself from the Well$ report”

    How so, “giants fan”?

  253. helmetcatch says: Dec 29, 2015 8:55 PM

    Hey jag1959, my “giants comrade”, wasn’t it great to see the Giants crush the cheating pats’ perfect season, and make brady look like a total choke artist? Isn’t it great that we “giants guys” don’t have to constantly defend our team for cheating (cause they don’t cheat), unlike new england cheater fans?

  254. straightfactshomie says: Dec 29, 2015 11:30 PM

    The fact that you ask how the league has distanced itself from the Wells report shows how little you’ve actually followed deflategate. Goodell changed the accusation against Brady from a general awareness to a direct knowledge, completely different from what Wells concluded, based on his appeal hearing. Goodell did this based on a LIE he told regarding Bradys discussions with Jastremski about the accusations in the days after the story broke. The NFL and Goodell also claimed for months that the Wells investigation was impartial, only to later admit in court that the report was edited by an NFL attorney, who Kessel wasnt allowed to cross examine, even though he had a hand in the “impartial” investigation. They since have claimed that it doesnt matter that the investigation wasnt impartial because they werent required to provide one. The only party to have been proven to have lied in deflategate, on multiple occasions, was Goodell and the NFL, that is a fact you cannot refute. Keep believing ghost stories, troll.

  255. sxk129 says: Dec 30, 2015 12:05 AM

    helmetcatch | Dec 29, 2015, 8:55 PM EST
    Hey jag1959, my “giants comrade”, wasn’t it great to see the Giants crush the cheating pats’ perfect season, and make brady look like a total choke artist?
    ========================================
    In both 2007 and 2011, Brady had got the Pats the lead late in the 4th quarter and then see the defense fail to prevent the Giants from going down the field for the winning score.
    How does that make him a choke artist?
    A true choke artist would throw a pick-6 late in a close game or would give up a safety on the first play of the game and then sh*t the bed for the rest of the game to lose by 35 points.

  256. tigerlilac says: Dec 30, 2015 1:03 AM

    helmetcatch, by your own admission you are now down to “circumstantial evidence” against Brady. You do understand the “have circumstantial evidence” was fabricated”; it was so weak that a federal judge mocked the NFL and its outside counsel. Independent third party experts pointed out how the NFL purposely gerrymandered the “circumstantial evidence” by dismissing the referee’s recollection of what gauge he used and by taking rigged photos of the gauges to make it look like the two gauges were more similar than they actually were. Ted Wells was bought and paid for and his testimony still exonerated Brady. The NFL tried to frame Brady thinking they could control the process soup to nuts but Brady fought back and a federal judge would not hide the evidence from the public as petitioned by the NFL.

  257. pondbridge says: Dec 30, 2015 4:33 AM

    The key is the clinic. If the NFL is still going to be part of the cover-up, Feds (DEA) have full authority to get Guyer himself on deposition, along with Sly. The clinics are always at the center of these scandals. Deep Throat says ‘Follow the Money’. Why nothing from NFL HQ about asking DEA to intervene? Because every player who has miraculously come back from injury faster than expected was on HGH, and with the concussion scandal, NFL is now like an ostrich with Goodell’s head in the sand.

  258. laffers says: Dec 30, 2015 7:30 AM

    The league should legalize HGH.
    It’s NOT an ENHANCING drug but a legitimate medication that speeds recovery from injuries.

  259. jag1959 says: Dec 30, 2015 10:08 AM

    Helmetcatch, that a Giants fan can be so easily duped by the lies the league has put out there is a sad thing. Read all of it man.

  260. straightfactshomie says: Dec 30, 2015 11:44 AM

    He’s not interested in reading all of it, because the more you read the more you realize how innocent Brady and the Pats were throughout the whole ordeal. Patriots haters don’t want to hear that.

  261. helmetcatch says: Dec 30, 2015 1:01 PM

    “straightfactshomie says:
    Dec 30, 2015 11:44 AM
    He’s not interested in reading all of it, because the more you read the more you realize how innocent Brady and the Pats were throughout the whole ordeal. Patriots haters don’t want to hear that.”

    Quite the opposite. Only people in new england think the wells scientific analysis was bogus. That’s why Brady could only get an econ professor to dispute the report in his hearing, and he got crushed on cross examination. No credible scientific authority disputed it.

  262. helmetcatch says: Dec 30, 2015 1:05 PM

    “tigerlilac says:
    Dec 30, 2015 1:03 AM
    helmetcatch, by your own admission you are now down to “circumstantial evidence” against Brady.”

    Of course. I don’t think you understand the meaning of “direct” and circumstantial evidence. People go to jail based on circumstantial evidence.

    There’s no “direct” evidence or “smoking gun”. No one on either side has EVER claimed that.

  263. fireroger says: Dec 30, 2015 1:56 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 30, 2015 1:01 PM
    Quite the opposite. Only people in new england think the wells scientific analysis was bogus. That’s why Brady could only get an econ professor to dispute the report in his hearing, and he got crushed on cross examination. No credible scientific authority disputed it.
    ==========
    Again with the no credible scientific authority? First off there’s a ton of other credible experts that have destroyed the Exponent results. Ranging from said Econ professor to mechanical engineering professors to physics professors. The sheer number of people that have proven Exponent wrong is a whole lot bigger than just one person. Something tells me you’re more than well aware of that already. Second, you don’t need to be a “scientist” to know about scientific method. You don’t need to be a scientist to understand that using 4 Colts balls as a control is unabashedly incorrect. Not to mention that the entire study hinges on Walt Anderson using a gauge he never claimed to have used. Which in and of itself speaks volumes about the scientific method used throughout the entire investigation. But I suppose we need a scientist to point out the flaws in something that has been around for over 1000 years, right?

  264. fireroger says: Dec 30, 2015 2:25 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 30, 2015 1:05 PM
    Of course. I don’t think you understand the meaning of “direct” and circumstantial evidence. People go to jail based on circumstantial evidence.

    There’s no “direct” evidence or “smoking gun”. No one on either side has EVER claimed that.
    ================
    People also incorrectly go to jail based on circumstantial evidence. Heck some even go to death row. Which is why Goodell insisting on not using any type of standard of proof is why player discipline is a complete and total mess.

  265. helmetcatch says: Dec 30, 2015 4:07 PM

    “fireroger says:
    Dec 30, 2015 1:56 PM
    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 30, 2015 1:01 PM
    Quite the opposite. Only people in new england think the wells scientific analysis was bogus. That’s why Brady could only get an econ professor to dispute the report in his hearing, and he got crushed on cross examination. No credible scientific authority disputed it.
    ==========
    Again with the no credible scientific authority?”

    What science experts “Destroyed” the exponent report? Why weren’t they at the Brady hearing? They were not willing to undergo cross examination of their “destruction”. The exponent scientists were all there. The Brady defenders were a no show.

  266. fireroger says: Dec 30, 2015 5:10 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 30, 2015 4:07 PM
    ================
    I suppose we get to look forward to the “they’re not really experts” excuse? Or better yet the “they live in New England so they must be Patriots fans” excuse?

    That’s about all that’s left.

  267. howleyesque says: Dec 30, 2015 9:39 PM

    Oh except for MAYBE Swillary… and only idiots believe her anyway so…

  268. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 31, 2015 8:32 AM

    Guilty or not, PM is smart. Brady erred in not bringing Kessler in from day one. He came out quite and seemed bewildered.PM came out hard and loud. Not the either “reaction” means a darned thing. It’s about image management.

    The dichotomy in media reaction is stunning. PM is being coddled when the information is considered in both cases. It’s fascinating watching them pull the strings.

    If however this is another framegate I would expect a Brian Williams exit somewhere.

  269. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Dec 31, 2015 10:11 AM

    Search ‘deflategate swan boat’ for the best worded logical take you could read on the flaws in the modelling and process used in the Well$ report. Beyond the process flaws it also brings up the second and third most telling ‘facts’, that no one really talks about. First, Exponent created it’s ‘master gauge’ logic using all the same model of gauge and then the clincher, the one piece of evidence that could have quickly put the whole thing to rest, the missing Patriots gauge. It was conveniently misplaced after having been in the possession of NFL Director of Game Operations James Daniel. Clearly given the ongoing search for the Ray Rice video the league’s dogged pursuit of truth and justice gives us hope that gauge will someday materialize from the bowels of 345 Park Ave.

  270. fireroger says: Dec 31, 2015 10:26 AM

    None of this explains the fact that basic scientific method shows flaws in using 4 Colts football as a control and assuming Walt Anderson used a gauge he claims he never used.

  271. STILLlolatpatshaters says: Dec 31, 2015 11:25 AM

    Filthy cheating doper.

    Keep PEDton out of the HOF.

  272. Mo' Pro Babble says: Dec 31, 2015 12:23 PM

    fireroger says:
    Dec 31, 2015 10:26 AM

    None of this explains the fact that basic scientific method shows flaws in using 4 Colts football as a control and assuming Walt Anderson used a gauge he claims he never used.

    When I first heard about Mort’s tweets I hoped it wasn’t true. After the Wells report and taking in a lot more data, I’m comfortable saying not only is there no useful evidence but I don’t believe they “got away” with something. Trying to explain this to those who started with a conclusion is impossible,

    I’ll give PM the same slack I gave TB. I’ll believe it when you come a bit closer to proving it.

    Or maybe its a giant plot by Montana to dirty these guys a bit😉

  273. fireroger says: Dec 31, 2015 1:12 PM

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Dec 31, 2015 10:11 AM
    Search ‘deflategate swan boat’ for the best worded logical take you could read on the flaws in the modelling and process used in the Well$ report. Beyond the process flaws it also brings up the second and third most telling ‘facts’, that no one really talks about. First, Exponent created it’s ‘master gauge’ logic using all the same model of gauge and then the clincher, the one piece of evidence that could have quickly put the whole thing to rest, the missing Patriots gauge. It was conveniently misplaced after having been in the possession of NFL Director of Game Operations James Daniel. Clearly given the ongoing search for the Ray Rice video the league’s dogged pursuit of truth and justice gives us hope that gauge will someday materialize from the bowels of 345 Park Ave.
    ========
    That was far and above the best write up explaining this fallacy. It touched on everything I picked apart from the appeal transcript and even explained a few things I hadn’t thought of.

  274. helmetcatch says: Dec 31, 2015 4:33 PM

    “fireroger says:
    Dec 31, 2015 1:12 PM
    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Dec 31, 2015 10:11 AM
    Search ‘deflategate swan boat’ for the best worded logical take you could read on the flaws in the modelling and process used in the Well$ report. Beyond the process flaws it also brings up the second and third most telling ‘facts’, that no one really talks about. First, Exponent created it’s ‘master gauge’ logic using all the same model of gauge and then the clincher, the one piece of evidence that could have quickly put the whole thing to rest, the missing Patriots gauge. It was conveniently misplaced after having been in the possession of NFL Director of Game Operations James Daniel. Clearly given the ongoing search for the Ray Rice video the league’s dogged pursuit of truth and justice gives us hope that gauge will someday materialize from the bowels of 345 Park Ave.
    ========
    That was far and above the best write up explaining this fallacy. It touched on everything I picked apart from the appeal transcript and even explained a few things I hadn’t thought of.”

    Nonsense. It was the non logo gauge that was used. Wells had a great explanation for why, and that explanation was not challenged.

    If that writeup is so convincing why wasn’t it used in brady’s hearing? That writeup was 4 months before.

    The guy compares an air pressure gauge to cars!! LOL! Does he think the variance in air pressure gauge amongst diff manufacturers is the same as the variance in CARS between diff manufacturers? He sure does! It’s ridiculous.

    “Exponent wanted to get some sample gauges. So what did they do? Did they obtain a variety of different brands and styles, to represent the variability of store-bought pressure gauges? Did they at least buy two different brands or styles?

    Nope. “Multiple dozens” of the Exact. Same. Thing. Identical brand and model number. Dumb.

    Let’s say you drive a Nissan Maxima, and you want to know whether your car is faster than mine, but you have no idea what kind of car I drive. So you go out and buy several dozen Nissan Maximas and test them against yours. Surprise, surprise—the Maximas all perform at about the same speed! Based on these findings, you conclude that because your Maxima is so similar to all your test cars, it must also be similar to mine—even though you still don’t have any clue what kind of car I drive. Oh, and you also conclude that since your other car, a Toyota Celica, is faster than the Maxima, then it must also be faster than mine. Everybody okay with that?”

  275. billfchew says: Dec 31, 2015 5:38 PM

    He should have had it sent to papa John’s house.

  276. kmossg says: Jan 1, 2016 11:27 PM

    Oh he also said he provided to James Harrison, Clay Matthews, Ryan Howard, Julius Peppers, and a couple other ballplayers. I don’t know about you but those guys scream “clean” to me. Especially Harrison and Matthews. Those guys are on nothing but chicken breast and good old fashioned gumption.
    ————–
    Didn’t Matthews get popped with Cushing at usc for PEDs?

  277. straightfactshomie says: Jan 2, 2016 11:45 AM

    Really quite disgusting how the media has largely ignored this bombshell. Brady was accused of something that is A. Far less egregious and B. Had far less evidence, like you know actually deflated footballs. Manning has HGH sent to his house for weeks on end during his neck rehab? Media: nothing to see here, move along.

  278. j0esixpack says: Jan 4, 2016 9:21 AM

    Since Broncos fans are SURE he’s innocent I expect they will join the growing chorus of those suggesting that he (or * ahem* his wife) authorize the release of Medical Information from the Guyer Institute

    Oddly neither Manning, nor Goodell, has acknowledged such a suggestion

    If he doesn’t release all medical records then that’s proof he’s guilty

  279. fireroger says: Jan 4, 2016 10:17 AM

    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 31, 2015 4:33 PM
    Nonsense. It was the non logo gauge that was used. Wells had a great explanation for why, and that explanation was not challenged.
    =============
    LOL well you got the nonsense part correct. You just need to aim it at Exponent.

    Look. Let’s simplify this to it’s smallest component for a minute. Everybody (including Exponent) universally agrees that the two gauges read differently. One read over 1 PSI higher than the other. So with that nugget in mind, the starting PSI of the Patriots balls simply cannot be 12.5 using both gauges. It can’t. The higher reading gauge would have shown a starting PSI higher than 12.5. Something Exponent failed to account for in EVERY scenario. Please feel free to continue to discount everything non-Exponent. Just understand you don’t need to have a rudimentary level of arithmetic to realize the entire Exponent model was wrong. That doesn’t factor in the logo\non-logo gauge, ideal gas law or any other external weather conditions. All of those factors just destroy what Exponent did to themselves.

  280. fireroger says: Jan 4, 2016 12:25 PM

    Correction:

    One read almost .5 PSI higher than the other.

  281. ampatsisahypocrite says: Jan 5, 2016 10:40 AM

    Here’s a recent news snippet for all those Patriots fans out there championing Al-Jazeera as the paragon of journalistic integrity:
    —————

    “Has Al-Jazeera lost its journalistic independence?

    That’s the charge made by some prominent staffers who quit their jobs at the Arab TV network. They claim Al-Jazeera is now beholden to a political agenda dictated by the man who bankrolls the operation, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the emir of Qatar.”
    ————-

    This appeared on a very respected journalism site. You can find the article easily doing a search. Then you can hang your heads in shame.

    Face it, you’ve only done this because you want to kick and scream about Brady, which is what you bring every topic in the world back to.

    Disgraceful.

  282. fireroger says: Jan 5, 2016 11:27 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jan 5, 2016 10:40 AM

    This appeared on a very respected journalism site. You can find the article easily doing a search. Then you can hang your heads in shame.

    Face it, you’ve only done this because you want to kick and scream about Brady, which is what you bring every topic in the world back to.

    Disgraceful.
    ======
    Well at least you didn’t claim Al-Jazeera worked for the Patriots. Not that it would be all that surprising.

  283. ampatsisahypocrite says: Jan 5, 2016 11:33 AM

    To sum up:

    1. No other news organization has made anything out of this “story” because there’s nothing to this “story” except some shady dude talking out both sides of his mouth.

    2. Nobody believes this “story” except Patriots fans who have tried to turn the Arab Propaganda Network into the New York Times to suit their own selfish cry-about-Brady’s-treatment purposes, the worn card they so tiresomely play over and over and over.

    3. Once again, “rational” and “scientific” Patriots fans have shown they believe in fairy tales when it’s the other guy getting accused. So much for the Ideal Gas Law. Where is your science now?

  284. fireroger says: Jan 5, 2016 12:46 PM

    To sum up:

    1. Apparently google is broken.

    2. Now that it’s been clarified that a once reputable news organization is just a propaganda machine we can conveniently dismiss this story.

    3. There are still people out there that honestly believe that science can’t explain ball deflation. Despite the fact that Exponent can’t determine that the starting PSI of the footballs aren’t the same using gauges that read differently. We should just blindly accept what they are saying is accurate even though they’ve demonstrated we shouldn’t.

  285. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 5, 2016 1:16 PM

    fireroger says:
    Jan 4, 2016 10:17 AM
    helmetcatch says:
    Dec 31, 2015 4:33 PM
    Nonsense. It was the non logo gauge that was used. Wells had a great explanation for why, and that explanation was not challenged.
    =============
    LOL well you got the nonsense part correct. You just need to aim it at Exponent.

    Look. Let’s simplify this to it’s smallest component for a minute. Everybody (including Exponent) universally agrees that the two gauges read differently. One read over 1 PSI higher than the other. So with that nugget in mind, the starting PSI of the Patriots balls simply cannot be 12.5 using both gauges. It can’t. The higher reading gauge would have shown a starting PSI higher than 12.5. Something Exponent failed to account for in EVERY scenario. Please feel free to continue to discount everything non-Exponent. Just understand you don’t need to have a rudimentary level of arithmetic to realize the entire Exponent model was wrong. That doesn’t factor in the logo\non-logo gauge, ideal gas law or any other external weather conditions. All of those factors just destroy what Exponent did to themselves.

    Dude, you’re wasting your time trying to use a logical approach. It’s not about science, or cheating or anything really, except hate & jealousy for Brady having trashed so many teams for so long.

    Or, as Harvey Dent put it,

    “you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain”.

  286. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 5, 2016 1:18 PM

    From the Deflategate (aka framegate) handbook,

    If you’re innocent then why not just turn over your phone, or in this case, your medical records?

    Starting to get it yet?

  287. imodan says: Jan 5, 2016 4:17 PM

    Pats fans were steaming mad that Nance and Simms never once mentioned the HGH allegations instead choosing to sickeningly kiss Mannings butt at every turn. Those same fans would be interested to know that Manning and Nance have the same agent. They have done commercials together and there’s even a correlation with Montag and Ari Fleisher. And let’s not forget that one Bob Costas is also a client of that same agent and miraculously he never mentioned it either.

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