Al Jazeera now claims it had a second source on Manning report

AP

This week’s primary headline regarding Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning has nothing to do with HGH. But last week’s HGH-related allegations have not gone away.

Appearing on CNN’s Reliable Sources, Deborah Davies of Al Jazeera claimed for the first time that the media outlet had a second source for the report that the Guyer Institute repeatedly sent HGH to Manning’s wife, Ashley.

Previously, the report had been attributed only to former Guyer Institute intern Charles Sly, who was secretly recorded connecting Ashley Manning to HGH — and strongly suggesting that it was sent to her for use by Peyton. Sly has since recanted the things he said without knowing he was being taped.

“[W]e had a second source,” Davies said, via quotes from the show distributed by CNN.  “Absolutely impeccably placed, knowledgeable, and credible, who confirmed exactly what Charlie Sly said. Shipments of HGH were repeatedly, repeatedly sent to Ashley Manning in Florida and other places in the U.S. . . . There are different kinds of sources.  There are some you can name, there are some you can’t.  This is a source we cannot name.  We could not name.  The value of that source was to add to the level of confidence we already had in what Charlie Sly was saying.”

So why didn’t they claim they had a second source sooner?

“It would simply have led to another range of speculation, another set of fishing expedition questions,” Davies said. “The second source is credible, well-placed, knowledgeable, and cannot be named.  And that’s all that we can say for now.”

The explanation is extremely weak. Regardless of whether there would have been “fishing expedition questions,” it was incumbent on Al Jazeera to bolster its report. And there’s nothing for which to fish if there was nothing more to say than, “We have a second source who can’t be named.”

Whatever the reason to not mention a second source earlier, the decision to disclose it now seems like nothing more than an effort to breathe new life into a story that quickly has been forgotten.

92 responses to “Al Jazeera now claims it had a second source on Manning report

  1. This chick needs to shut up and go away. She is going to end up costing her company a ton of money when Manning hires the best lawyers money can get and sues the ever living crapola out of AL Liesier

  2. Trust me they have more than a second source….they are waiting for Manning to say something thats not true and catch him in the lie….they know they can’t prove he took HGH but if they can catch him in a lie it would be the next best thing…..so far Manning has been smart enough to not say his wife didn’t receive shipments he is sticking with, the guys not credible and my wife’s health is her business and I don’t know anything about that….yea right Peyton…..

  3. Sorry he’s not in the discussion of best ever so it doesn’t matter

    Nobody cares if you use HGH as long as you choke in the postseason

  4. It’s a very different thing to say Al Jazeera used a bad source than it is to say Al Jazeera made up a second source. One is shoddy reporting, the other is fraud.

    I think things could get interesting from here, and I don’t see them claiming this second source if it didn’t exist. They’re trying to break into the American market and a fraudulent source could kill that before it got tarted.

  5. If Manning really cheated, I will lose all confidence in the integrity of NFL players.. He was a HOF player before he went to Denver. Why cheat? He made sooo much money and has a future in football when he retires. Why cheat?

  6. The difference in reaction from 4 tenths of a pound of air vs HgH shipments aka Roger Clemens style is stunning.

    Al Jazeera is highly credible and has won many international awards. It’s mostly former BBC reporters.

  7. If you take the time to watch a little. You’ll find it is a credible news organization. Set your islamaphobia aside for a moment and you’ll see they have excellent reporting without the Republican and Democrat biases you get from the typical fox or msnbc and even cnn.
    You creatants may not like this story or want it to be true but there is definitely smoke here folks.

    I’d prefer a credible agency see if there’s fire as well.

  8. @truthfactory – HGH can only be prescribed to adults for 3 reasons.
    -Growth hormone deficiency
    -HIV/AIDS wasting
    -Short bowel syndrome

    None of those conditions would ever be treated at an anti-aging clinic. If Manning’s wife did in fact receive shipments of HGH from this place, it was illegal.

  9. tleach34 says:
    Jan 3, 2016 9:46 PM

    If Manning really cheated, I will lose all confidence in the integrity of NFL players.. He was a HOF player before he went to Denver. Why cheat? He made sooo much money and has a future in football when he retires. Why cheat?
    ——————————

    Because without the HGH, he would have been out of football, and he still had some meaningless records to break.

  10. The story isn’t whether or not he did it. Of course he did it. The story is how the media is circling the wagons around him.

  11. tleach34 says:
    Jan 3, 2016 9:46 PM
    He was a HOF player before he went to Denver. Why cheat? He made sooo much money and has a future in football when he retires. Why cheat?
    __________________

    Good question. Always wanted to hear Clemens, Armstrong or Bonds answer it

  12. I’m okay with an investigation as long as it’s not Manitowoc county conducting the investigation. Or Calumet serving as special prosecutor.

  13. Al Jazeera is a reputable and quite frankly better news source than what most Americans are used to.

    Glad to see some of the fellow commentators are making the United States populous look good with their insightful comments using the word “Raghead” etc.

    Real nice work there.

    I think there may be some grounds to this Manning story, (which also includes mulitple MLB players) but the fact is Manning is untouchable barring real proof.

    Writers and NFL officials love him and most won’t throw him under the bus and would rather work to kill a story than see it through, very similar to the way the media killed the Mark McGwire andro story in 1998.

    If this were concerning a player such as Alex Rodriguez or Barry Bonds, this may be handled differently. It just goes to show the level of hypocrisy we have as a society with steroids. We want to push the issue when it’s convenient for shaming a player we don’t like, but in reality we all just don’t really care that much if someone uses.

    Seems a little odd to me that Manning comes back from what all accounts should have been a career-ending surgery to have a great season. Not saying he can’t- but also saying that there should be some level of suspicion.

  14. patswinagain says:
    Jan 3, 2016 9:51 PM
    You creatants may not like this story or want it to be true but there is definitely smoke here folks.
    ____________

    Always awesome when someone trying to call others cretins misspells it.

  15. Well, it’s only been a week. Revealing the presence of a second source now doesn’t seem nearly as suspicious as taking delivery of the HGH in the first place.

  16. @truthfactory – HGH can only be prescribed to adults for 3 reasons.
    -Growth hormone deficiency
    -HIV/AIDS wasting
    -Short bowel syndrome

    None of those conditions would ever be treated at an anti-aging clinic. If Manning’s wife did in fact receive shipments of HGH from this place, it was illegal.

    Not true, I’m sure Peyton probably did it but your facts are wrong. A physician can legally prescribe all manners of medications for a wide variety of “off-label” conditions and treatments, including HGH. Against NFL policy, yes. Illegal, possibly but likely not.

  17. My only question is: What did Manning do to anger the oil barons of Qatar so much that they sent their propaganda outfit after him? That will probably be the most interesting part of this cluster-foulup if it ever comes out . . .

  18. Didn’t I read something last week about an “off-label” use of HGH being a fertility treatment? The Mannings had twins I believe in 2012.

    If Ashley was having difficulty conceiving, and that laundry starts getting aired in public, I could completely understand Manning’s anger.

    In any case, there’s no way to prove he took anything almost 5 years later. Who cares?

  19. Sad commentary on here from a bunch of ignorant folks regarding al jazeera especially considering the “news” sources in this country. I’ve been watching them for years. At least with them I dont know where their biases lie.

  20. billswillnevermove says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:22 PM

    Sad day in America when someone is reading Al Jazeera.
    ______________

    “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.”
    — Maybe Sun Tzu or Machiavelli or Petrach but The Godfather’s Michael Corleone for sure

  21. Lets see. Payton has how many surgeries on his neck? They aren’t sure if he’ll even be able to play again. He goes to Germany and other countries for procedures. He goes to Guyer for treatment. He goes to Denver and sets passing and TD records. Sounds pretty incredible to me. Ashley was pregnant at the time the shipments went out, no pregnant woman would ever take HGH. Payton should be dragged through the mud just like Brady was. After all it was Roger himself that compared deflating footballs to using PIDs.

    All that said… HGH should be legal, especially for these players that beat the crap out of their bodies.

  22. Didn’t I read something last week about an “off-label” use of HGH being a fertility treatment? The Mannings had twins I believe in 2012.

    If Ashley was having difficulty conceiving, and that laundry starts getting aired in public, I could completely understand Manning’s anger.

    In any case, there’s no way to prove he took anything almost 5 years later. Who cares?

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    HGH is a rare drug in that it is specifically illegal to off-label prescribe it. It may only be prescribed to adults for 3 very serious medical conditions. Any other prescription would lose a physician his license.

  23. “This chick needs to shut up and go away. She is going to end up costing her company a ton of money when Manning hires the best lawyers money can get and sues the ever living crapola out of AL Liesier”

    What you are missing is any lawsuit by Manning requires him to be deposed, under oath, which I guarantee you he does not want. Or his wife.

  24. tleach34 says:
    Jan 3, 2016 9:46 PM

    If Manning really cheated, I will lose all confidence in the integrity of NFL players.. He was a HOF player before he went to Denver. Why cheat? He made sooo much money and has a future in football when he retires. Why cheat?
    _________________

    Why cheat? Because that’s what cheaters do. From watching your brother, with daddy’s help, cheat the NFL draft procedure and dictate where he’d play to accepting every commercial endorsement offered to you, whether you believe in the product or not. Wear the façade of a good guy but cheat on your wife and greedily continue to play long after your time to selfishly set personal records and make as much money as possible, deserved or not. He cheats because he is a cheat, coming from a family of cheaters.

  25. billswillnevermove says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:22 PM

    Sad day in America when someone is reading Al Jazeera.
    ——————————————————
    Typical bigoted statement. This in one of very few news organizations available to the American public not beholding to any democratic or republican slant. It has no ties in any way with the NFL, MLB and so is unencumbered when it comes to what it reports. I’m willing to bet most who pooh pooh the report haven’t taken the time to actually watch the documentary. It is remarkable the lack of coverage this story has generated considering the names involved. There has to be a concerted effort to kill the story and it just may be the American mainstream media fears being exposed as hacks to be used as mouthpieces for the powers and the money that drive them. Look beyond the name of the organization breaking this story and concentrate on the STORY! It’s fascinating.

  26. imodan says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:46 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:22 PM

    Sad day in America when someone is reading Al Jazeera.
    ——————————————————
    Typical bigoted statement. This in one of very few news organizations available to the American public not beholding to any democratic or republican slant. It has no ties in any way with the NFL, MLB and so is unencumbered when it comes to what it reports….

    ______________________________

    Bartender, I’ll have what he’s having.

  27. @ dontshootthecynic

    Exactly, physician could lose his/her license. All the more reason to keep it hush-hush.

    Personally, I don’t care if he did or didn’t, but I think the HGH as a fertility drug and that it was actually for Ashley (if the sources are to be believed) is quite plausible.

  28. “But last week’s HGH-related allegations have not gone away.”

    For a story as big as this one should be it’s come damn close though. No matter how you feel about it or what you think of it that in itself is…interesting.

  29. Al Jazeera has no obligation to name its second source, regardless of how much you’d like them to, Florio. Woodward and Bernstein were under no obligation to name “Deep Throat” during the Watergate era and their source turned out to be extremely reliable.

  30. vikesfan says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:51 PM

    imodan says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:46 PM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:22 PM

    Sad day in America when someone is reading Al Jazeera.
    ——————————————————
    Typical bigoted statement. This in one of very few news organizations available to the American public not beholding to any democratic or republican slant. It has no ties in any way with the NFL, MLB and so is unencumbered when it comes to what it reports….

    ______________________________

    Bartender, I’ll have what he’s having.
    ——————————————————-
    Yeah, you probably could use a double shot of common sense.

  31. Exactly, physician could lose his/her license. All the more reason to keep it hush-hush.

    Personally, I don’t care if he did or didn’t, but I think the HGH as a fertility drug and that it was actually for Ashley (if the sources are to be believed) is quite plausible.
    ————————————-
    Why would Ashley go to an anti-aging clinic for fertility treatment? And why would a doctor illegally prescribe a drug that could be extremely harmful to a fetus when there are extremely effective and legal fertility treatments available to people with money?

    It’s a stretch to say the least…

  32. boogerhut says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:38 PM

    Hahaha. Super source, major credible…. but I can’t name it….. Whatever.
    ____________________

    It’s not a source. It’s a quotation expressing a bit of wisdom. Over the centuries its original source is in dispute but nonetheless it’s as true today as it was then. Since it is a bit of wisdom, I’m not surprised to have to explain it to you.

  33. Al Jazeera now has a “Real” second source now that their first source has recanted his statements and the accusations are bogus. The only thing I have lost faith in beside bad journalism is the the ability of HGH as a performance enhancing drug. If the play of Peyton Manning for the last two years is an indication then HGH is kind of useless.

  34. They were sent to Peyton’s wife, not him. That’s the core issue. Nobody can say or prove that Peyton used them himself. His wife medical issues is nobody’s business.

  35. I don’t know which bothers me more

    The fact that Peyton Manning is clearly a cheater?

    Or that the majority of my fellow NFL fans here openly admit they are idiots who have never heard of Al Jazeera, making bigoted comments that only make themselves look even more stupid

  36. If this was Brady and Giselle. Would ESPN be all over this story. I like manning, he is an alltime great. But just look how many athletes have been busted, that we never thought used PED’s. It’s about integrity Roger, which you have none. St Louis Cardinals baseball Team was proven to have broke into, and stole computer software from Houston. FBI investigation, not one word from ESPN. Jimmy Haslam Browns Owner FBI proves he Double billed all minority drivers with Flying J. ESPN no coverage, and Roger says the NFL will not tolerate fraud from owners Haslam settled for @ $81 Million. Why does he still own the Browns. That’s what new England fans are sick of.

  37. Osweiller was set up today. One mistake by him and he was yanked. The coach panicked and decided he better put in Peyton or he might be on the chopping block losing to a feeble san diego.
    Funny Manning said, all of a sudden the O line started blocking better and the running backs ran with more authority, like they were all trying to screw Osweiller hoping for Manning to get back in?
    Anyways the kid is probably done in Denver. When you’ve been there 4 years on the bench learning and you can’t take the wheel and drive, its time to leave.

  38. Are reporters just being more careful now about anonymous sources, since the last great cheating scandal?

    Almost a year ago, one tweet from a terrible reporter quoting an anonymous source with since-discredited information precipitated pundits crying on-air that the poor children of this country have to suffer through finding out their idol is a cheater.

    Remember that?

  39. AJ has a trump card. My guess is they know for a certainty that the drugs were sent to the wife. Ultimately, that’s all that matters. Regardless of this source or that, sooner or later, the wife has to confirm or deny. If she never talks, then AJ’s allegation remains unrefuted.

  40. Manning and his wife will never get deposed unless in a federal investigation. He will not sue and risk a deposition for him and his wife. The allegations in the reporting are serious for the Guyer Institute. I sense a federal investigation coming.

    As many in this thread have said, HGH can only be prescribed for 3 specific off label diagnoses. Manning’s denials do not pass the smell test as there does not appear to be any legitimate reason for his wife to be prescribed HGH. I cannot see any reason for an anti aging clinic to prescribe HGH.

    I do not care if Manning did take HGH. I do not think that HGH enhanced his performance. Perhaps it helped him recover from his injuries. Maybe HGH should be used for these types of injuries. I am not a medical expert so I would defer to someone else with medical expertise about whether HGH enhanced Manning’s performance and whether HGH is reasonable to prescribe for the types of injuries that Manning had. I do not consider recovering from serious neck injuries as performance enhancement.

  41. no discussion of this whatsoever when he came
    in today. true or false, there surely should have been talk about it. it’s a big story. not surprised in the least that it was left out though.

  42. Al Jazeera is embarrassing themselves on this. The original ‘report’ was retracted, and this phantom second source with absolutely no information given otherwise is being floated out there just to remain relevant. For now. It’s honestly beginning to get embarrassing that anyone is still talking about a story that is the journalistic equivalent of “hey, what if this guy did it?” Is this what modern journalistic integrity is?

    Also, how hilarious is it that A) there’s a show called “Reliable Sources” and B) Davies went on the show “Reliable Sources” to state that Al Jazeera had a second source…but that no information regarding said source’s reliability was given. Maybe she intended to go on the show after “Reliable Sources” entitled “Vague Accusations.”

  43. HGH use is cheating. By growing his mug to such enormous proportions, Manning has made it virtually impossible for defenders to try and pressure him without getting flagged for illegal contact to the head.

  44. I find it funny that Tom Brady is still defending himself against the clearly false Wells Report, yet Peyton Manning is obviously innocent when he visted the Guyer Institute, which is under investigation for tax fraud an importing illegal HGH from China.
    And he is still innocent when everyone has pretty much conceded that his wife had a script from the Guyer Institute for HGH….
    Yup, Tom Brady is the cheater.

  45. Doesn’t matter if you have a the Pope as a witness, the media doesn’t want to hear that their chosen Golden Boy is dirty. This will not be investigated or repeated by the media or the bumbling NFL front office.

  46. tbone4444 says:
    Jan 3, 2016 10:13 PM
    @truthfactory – HGH can only be prescribed to adults for 3 reasons.
    -Growth hormone deficiency
    -HIV/AIDS wasting
    -Short bowel syndrome

    None of those conditions would ever be treated at an anti-aging clinic. If Manning’s wife did in fact receive shipments of HGH from this place, it was illegal.

    Not true, I’m sure Peyton probably did it but your facts are wrong. A physician can legally prescribe all manners of medications for a wide variety of “off-label” conditions and treatments, including HGH. Against NFL policy, yes. Illegal, possibly but likely not.
    **********************************

    Nice try, prescribing off label is unethical and in some places illegal.

  47. I think most readers immediately and completely disregard any stories that use unnamed sources. That’s just a way of saying what you what and not having to prove it. Unless you state your source, you have nothing to say.
    I’m not a Manning fan, but if you are going to either start or fan the fire of accusation, name your source. He deserves the benefit of the doubt.

  48. I think we are all missin the point…..Tom Brady Cheated and should have been suspended the first 4 games of this season.
    That’s the point.

  49. Of course she was sent the HGH. PEDton didn’t deny it and anyone with common sense knows it happened.

    *

  50. For those who still cling to the Ashley was using HGH as a fertility drug and the birth of her twins is proof should consider the time line.

    Manning’s twins were born in March of 2011. The standard gestation period for human beings is 9 months. The date of conception would land in the middle part of 2010.

    Why in the World would a woman receive fertility assistance in 2011?

    Common sense would dictate a different theory for receiving growth hormone.

  51. Makes sense. They are a serious news org. It makes sense that they would ensure they weren’t reporting this about Manning with only one person who could be trying to make a name for himself to a potential customer as the source.

    Anyway, I think this issue is bigger than Manning. There seems to be half an NFL team up in Wisconsin with dopers. If it’s the case there, why not another team?

  52. “The second source is credible, well-placed, knowledgeable, and cannot be named. And that’s all that we can say for now.”

    In other words … the mother of the reporter.

  53. “rootpain says:
    Jan 4, 2016 8:11 AM
    I think most readers immediately and completely disregard any stories that use unnamed sources. That’s just a way of saying what you what and not having to prove it. Unless you state your source, you have nothing to say.
    I’m not a Manning fan, but if you are going to either start or fan the fire of accusation, name your source. He deserves the benefit of the doubt.”


    Not only did they name the source, but they have 12 hours of video of him, including him giving stuff to a MLB player (Teagarden).

    The unnamed source is just someone who was able to confirm that the primary source is not full of crap. This is an established and respected best-practice for investigative journalism. It was great reporting like this that brought down the Nixon administration and this report will eventually bring down this clinic.

    It will also bring down the mannings if he continues to obfuscate

  54. And he come the haters…. Either AFCW rivals who if Peyton was on their team they would love or Pats fans happu that the microscope is off them. Personally I could care less if players juice up. Go ahead just dont expect me to feel sorry if any repercussions happen down the line. Like smoking go ahead if you get cancer it’s on you. I remember in the 90s there was a diet supplement called Phen Phen and you could eat 6 cheese steaks a day a lose weight no it’s banned and you know if fat people could get it today illegally theybwould do it. So go ahead take juice to get in shape or healthy i dont care just dont cry down the road about the side effects

  55. “kpweaver27 says:
    Jan 4, 2016 2:31 AM
    Al Jazeera is embarrassing themselves on this. The original ‘report’ was retracted, and this phantom second source with absolutely no information given otherwise is being floated out there just to remain relevant. For now. It’s honestly beginning to get embarrassing that anyone is still talking about a story that is the journalistic equivalent of “hey, what if this guy did it?” Is this what modern journalistic integrity is?”

    The report was NOT retracted. They guy who didn’t know he was being taped said after this all blew up that he was lying. AJ stood by the story and said they had another source who confirmed the original.

    What is embarrassing is fans like you and the NFL media cartel who believe a guy is telling the truth when he says he was lying before, when there is an obvious motive to say he was lying in the first place (he is going to take down some very powerful people/criminals).

    This Sly fella is in DEEEEEEEP legal trouble, at the very least, and he’s probably at some personal risk from very wealthy and powerful people who are going to end up in jail because of his loose lips.

  56. Wasn’t it almost too good to be true, Manning emerges from all of this suspicion to lead a comeback just in time to lock a 1 seed. Just in time to set a few records. The media refuses to mention any of this during the games in stark contrast to last season’s debacle. Chris Berman decides that based on Manning’s record that there’s nothing to see here.

    I guess when you choke more than you win you have more friends than guys who have owned you for a decade and a half.

  57. The documentary has an actual pro athlete showing up at Sly’s apartment and talking about taking HGH.

    Sly definitely worked at Guyer.

    Guyer has definitely distributed HGH to patients.

    Manning decided to get hyperbaric oxygen therapy at Guyer instead of any of the top hospitals in Indianapolis, such as St. Vincent’s.

    If you don’t think this smells fishy, you’re delusional.

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