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Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Jordy Nelson attend meeting on catch rule

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In December, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell talked about finding “a better solution” to the league’s rules governing what is and isn’t a catch and put together a committee to study the issue before making any proposals to the Competition Committee in March.

That committee is made up of Hall of Fame executive Bill Polian, former head coaches Ken Whisenhunt, Jim Schwartz and Joe Philbin, former NFL wide receiver James Thrash and former side judge Tom Finken and one of the plans was for the group to hold meetings with current and former players to get their thoughts on how to improve the rule. The first meeting on that front took place on Tuesday.

The group included one current player, Packers wide receiver Jordy Nelson, and Hall of Famers Cris Carter, Steve Largent, Fred Biletnikoff and Tim Brown. Randy Moss, who will likely join the yellow-blazered crowd upon eligibility, and former tight end Chad Lewis were also part of the group.

Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson have also expressed interest in working toward finding a rule that eliminates the confusion attached to “how [the current rule] is officiated, played, executed, and communicated.” The league calls this the first meeting, so there will presumably be others down the line that Bryant, Johnson and others can take part in as the league tries to stop the weekly conversations about whether what looks, smells and acts like a catch actually is a catch.

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40 Responses to “Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Jordy Nelson attend meeting on catch rule”
  1. blspears says: Jan 5, 2016 12:41 PM

    James Thrash could not catch so its kind of ironic.

  2. jgedgar70 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:42 PM

    Ball in control, two feet in bounds, is a catch.

    Ball in control that breaks the plane of the goal line is a catch.

    HOW HARD DOES THIS HAVE TO BE????????

  3. weepingjebus says: Jan 5, 2016 12:42 PM

    Jerry Rice and Joe Montana also submitted an unsolicited letter arguing that refs should not check the ball for illicit substances after the catch.

  4. thefatlazygamer says: Jan 5, 2016 12:42 PM

    Of course an activate Packer player would have an influence on the rules considering it’s an almost every week occurrence for the Packers.

  5. skooter519 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:44 PM

    Randy Moss knows what a catch is, practically anything that was thrown his way. Funny that Jerry stickum Rice isn’t on that committee

  6. ariani1985 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:46 PM

    Bringing Nelson with is like the big brother bringing the little brother into the tree fort for the first time out of sympathy.

  7. Patskrieg says: Jan 5, 2016 12:47 PM

    Taking bets on what prevents this committee from reaching any worthwhile conclusions:

    A. Bill Polian monopolizes entire meeting drafting rule amendment with no changes except a footnote that this is probably Bill Belichick’s fault.

    B. Minor disagreement between parties mitigated by world class conflict diffuser Joe Philbin. Quickly turns into fist fight and lengthy bullying investigation.

    C. Chris Carter won’t shut up.

  8. willycents says: Jan 5, 2016 12:47 PM

    Sounds like the federal government system….
    1. Create a law
    2. When said law does not work, create a committee of “experts” to study it and make recommendations.
    3. Ignore recommendations of committee and make law even more convoluted and confusing.
    4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 over and over.

  9. nflequalswwe says: Jan 5, 2016 12:48 PM

    Straight catch homie

  10. tjacks7 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:49 PM

    How does the NFL, a billion dollar business, employ anyone who can’t figure out what a catch is? The most incompetent person on earth, Goodell, running the show and hiring his incompetent yes men like Blandino. Most, if not all, of these clowns should have been fired a long time ago.

  11. madmax80 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:54 PM

    If you just caught the ball, have ever caught the ball previously or may possibly catch the ball sometime in the future, then the ball can never touch the ground and you cannot let it go until you get home later that evening.

  12. In Teddy We Trust says: Jan 5, 2016 12:54 PM

    Just have 50 guys in a bar standing by for each game. If they say it’s a catch, it’s a catch.

  13. tjacks7 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:55 PM

    The forward pass was introduced in 1906. Which means the catch was also introduced. For 100+ years the throw and catch process worked like a well oiled machine. Then Roger Goodell and Dean Blandino showed up…

  14. daysend564 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:56 PM

    Control + 2 feet….next

  15. bloomer006999999 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:58 PM

    Randy Moss was was the greatest WR to ever play the game.

  16. marvsleezy says: Jan 5, 2016 1:02 PM

    Put a sensor in the ball and gloves. Use an algorithm. Can put sensors on sideline and in shoes too.

    Fire a few refs.

  17. bucandball says: Jan 5, 2016 1:02 PM

    How about: must maintain firm possession until whistle blows. If the ball touches the ground in any way whatsoever, it’s incomplete. True this would take away quite a few catches but it would eliminate a lot of gray areas. Receivers would learn to focus on keeping the ball off the ground.

  18. wafflestomp says: Jan 5, 2016 1:04 PM

    I would normally skip over the comments section over a non-story such as this.
    But, because it features Packer Wise Receiver Jordy Nelson, I had to see if any of the sad and bitter Heidis had any of their stale, uninspired comments that usually accompany any Green Bay reference on this site.

    Thanks for proving me right again.
    You’ve just won the division for the 1st in years, why can’t you guys just be happy with your own team’s success?
    The jealousy continues. skoLOL!

  19. willycents says: Jan 5, 2016 1:08 PM

    “The most incompetent person on earth, Goodell, running the show and hiring his incompetent yes men like Blandino. Most, if not all, of these clowns should have been fired a long time ago.
    __________________________
    a few facts:
    1. Employees have the best healthcare in the world
    2. Employees make more money than any group of employees in the world.(1800 splitting $5 billion)
    3. Owners making about $150 million per year’
    4. Takes all the heat for owners decisions.

    Sounds to me like a very competent front office, butt hurt Patriots fans not withstanding

  20. cinvis says: Jan 5, 2016 1:08 PM

    jgedgar70 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 12:42 PM
    Ball in control, two feet in bounds, is a catch.

    Do you have any idea how many fumbles there would be if this was the rule? Every Time a receiver had his hands on the ball and immediately hit, it would be a fumble and everyone would cry about how awful that rule was. The rule is fine. The media and 99% of fans don’t understand the current rules, that is the problem.

  21. TheDPR says: Jan 5, 2016 1:12 PM

    The rule isn’t bad, as written. It’s the implementation that’s faulty. “Going to the ground” has been expanded to include falling down AFTER making a catch, when it’s obvious to almost everyone how ludicrous that implementation of the rule is and how it can’t possibly have been the intent when first written. Once your feet hit the ground with you in control of the ball, it’s a catch, and any subsequent falling or being tackled should not be a factor and therefore the “going to the ground” clause should be ignored. The clause was obviously included in the rule book to cover times when a receiver is actually falling/diving/sliding *while* making the catch, and therefore body parts other than his two feet are hitting the ground first. It’s not intended to be used as it is used today – for guys who leap up or are just running, land on their feet, and then are tackled/fall.

  22. jrterrier5 says: Jan 5, 2016 1:13 PM

    Where’s Michael Irvin?

  23. doggeatdogg says: Jan 5, 2016 1:14 PM

    Look at all the different opinions given about what a catch is. Because it’s so subjective when it’s not blatantly obvious, it’s a good thing to discuss it once and for all and invite to the table those that did it for a living. I hope they have just enough players there retired and active as well as referees. Nothing wrong with that. It will be disappointing if something is not done before the start of the 2016 season.

  24. bullcharger says: Jan 5, 2016 1:19 PM

    jgedgar70 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 12:42 PM

    Ball in control, two feet in bounds, is a catch.

    Ball in control that breaks the plane of the goal line is a catch.

    HOW HARD DOES THIS HAVE TO BE????????

    ——————–

    That would have to include a knee, shin, elbow, hip, head. In control and any of those parts down inbounds would be a catch too I guess.

    But controlling the ball to the ground is eliminated in the case, along with the need to have time pass or have a football move happen.

    In this case where the ball is lost after control and two feet down inbounds it would be a fumble. So a quick catch and a swat would be come a fumble instead of an incomplete catch.

    That includes losing the ball on a tackle if you had control and two feet down and then juggled it on the way to the ground and lost it.

    It would be interesting to know how many times that happens and then assume 50% would be recovered by the opposing team to see how much turnovers would increase.

  25. bullcharger says: Jan 5, 2016 1:25 PM

    bucandball says:
    Jan 5, 2016 1:02 PM

    How about: must maintain firm possession until whistle blows. If the ball touches the ground in any way whatsoever, it’s incomplete. True this would take away quite a few catches but it would eliminate a lot of gray areas. Receivers would learn to focus on keeping the ball off the ground.

    ——————–

    So a player catches the ball, runs 99 yards and is tackled in the endzone and the ball squirts out it is incomplete at the spot of the catch? That won’t work.

  26. codythao35 says: Jan 5, 2016 1:29 PM

    It would probably be another century before we have some one like Moss’s talent again. But don’t need the kind of attitude like his.
    Who wants to eat that dog food.

  27. codythao35 says: Jan 5, 2016 1:33 PM

    Where is Aaron Rodgers? He needs to be there especially, bc the Packers need him to catch balls. Lol

  28. imodan says: Jan 5, 2016 1:36 PM

    Seeing how DB’s can’t breathe on receivers how about we eliminate those velcro gloves these guys wear these days? Nothing performance enhances as much as those scientific marvels. I want to see humans catch the ball, not stick to it like glue.

  29. dickroy says: Jan 5, 2016 1:49 PM

    Looks like he caught the ball and has two feet in. Wait! Did that ball move slightly. Looks like it might have moved a little right there at the end. No this is going to be over ruled. No catch!

  30. tjacks7 says: Jan 5, 2016 1:55 PM

    willycents says:

    a few facts:
    1. Employees have the best healthcare in the world
    2. Employees make more money than any group of employees in the world.(1800 splitting $5 billion)
    3. Owners making about $150 million per year’
    4. Takes all the heat for owners decisions.

    Sounds to me like a very competent front office, butt hurt Patriots fans not withstanding

    A few more fact; and those that real business men like Mark Cuban understand as opposed to the puppet Goodell has become:

    But first, how does a business with (what you claim is) the best healthcare in the world has so many employees suffering from traumatic brain injuries? Now to the facts:

    1. Goodell has taken an evergreen product, with an endless life cycle, an put an expiration date on it. Due to his (mis)management, the NFL is no longer sustainable enterprise. The NFL was great, but due to the poor management, poor officiating with no improvements, over-saturation of the market, NFL taking on law enforcement activities, the left hand never knowing what the right hand is doing, constant unnecessary changes, the NFL has sacrificed its future for increased profits today, etc, etc, there is unquestionably a lesser product being played between the lines on Sunday’s (and Monday’s, Thursday, and Saturdays).

    Which, Goodell is fine with. Because when the NFL does lose a large chunk and begin to crumble, Goodell will be long gone. Will probably close to a billion dollars to his name.

    But the owners will be looking back saying “what have we done”? Right now, they’re trading that now limited $150 per year in increased revenue Goodell has generated.. But it won’t last past 10-20 years at this pace. It now has an expiration date. When before Goodell, it was a business model that would have survived 200+ more years easily.

    So I ask, would you rather have $150 million a year for 20 years, max… Or $100 million a year for 200 or more years?

  31. stiffarm13 says: Jan 5, 2016 2:07 PM

    also include NOBODY can wear the “tactified” gloves …. they cry about a ball being slightly off on the air pressure for grip but they let QB’s,RB’s,WR’s,TE’s, LB’s DB’s or anyone who wants wear tactified gloves to give you this super grip and/or to aid in the catching of the football….some catches aren’t even human like because of these gloves

  32. j0esixpack says: Jan 5, 2016 2:23 PM

    Jerry Rice’s input would be good

    Then maybe the NFL can affirm that it’s still a catch when he cheats with Stickum so he can retain his records

  33. cambodianbreastmilk says: Jan 5, 2016 2:38 PM

    Carter sent a fall-guy to the meeting.

  34. rjbell4 says: Jan 5, 2016 2:53 PM

    Where are the DBs? If you are going to hear from WRs, you should also let DBs voice their opinions.

  35. bigbenh8tr says: Jan 5, 2016 3:07 PM

    Wow so no good coaches and one GM are providing feedback? And a defensive coach in Schwartz, another fail by Blandino/Goodell

  36. competitivecompetitioncompeter says: Jan 5, 2016 3:43 PM

    I’ve said this a hundred times. The existing rule will work, just get rid of the retroactivity component. A catch is a catch, two feet down, down by contact, PLAY OVER.

    If somebody fumbles after they’re down by contact or after they go out of bounds or after they cross the goal line or after al Jazeera reports Godell had a sex change, well so be it. Still a catch.

  37. dohczeppelin says: Jan 5, 2016 3:54 PM

    If you actually want to educate yourself on this topic and understand the issue (instead of just yelling about it and trying to oversimplify things) there was an excellent article on sbnation.com about a month ago that looks at the “controversy” surrounding the catch rule, discusses the origins and purposes of the rule, and explores the alternatives.

    Google something along the lines of “sbnation nfl catch rule” and it should be the first option. The exact title is “The NFL’s Catch Rule is Better Than You Think”

    To summarize, the current catch rule is a lot like capitalism: It’s a flawed system but it’s still the best option available.

    The commonly suggested alternative of “have the ball in your hand and get both feet down” is not nearly as good of a rule as you think. That rule essentially would make things even more difficult for DBs to stop the passing game, would create a lot more fumbles, and would jeopardize player safety. Read the article for more details.

    Inform yourselves my friends. The rule is not really that complicated. Watching the replay on TV, I can quickly differentiate between a catch and an incomplete pass with 90-something percent accuracy. The “controversy” over “what even is a catch anymore” has been manufactured by people who just never bothered to understand the rules.

  38. macker1283 says: Jan 5, 2016 6:42 PM

    As usual, Goodell doesnt seem to care what the defensive backs think they might know somethibg about too

  39. raiderapologist says: Jan 5, 2016 9:25 PM

    Two toes or one knee inbounds with ball control should be a catch. If you have to free the ball on your way into the opponent’s bench to avoid being decapitated, that should be allowed. Reaching over the receiver’s back to knock the ball down should also be allowed. Just so it’s fair.

  40. conormacleodisloosebutthole says: Jan 6, 2016 12:53 AM

    Too bad Jordy is white and not a loud mouth idiot. Otherwise he would be a lock for a first ballot HOF as well.

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