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Report: Colts talked to Sean Payton’s reps before committing to Pagano

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The Colts have extended the contract of head coach Chuck Pagano, but not before looking elsewhere, and even talking to the representatives of Saints coach Sean Payton.

That’s the word from Tom James of the Terre Haute Tribune-Star, who reports that the Colts were negotiating with Payton’s representatives while talks with Pagano were also taking place. Talks with Payton broke down, and that’s when Colts owner Jim Irsay decided to stick with Pagano.

There has been some talk that the Saints might be willing to let Payton out of his contract and let him leave for another team, in exchange for a draft pick. There’s no word on whether or not the Colts and Saints had worked out any type of agreement about the compensation the Saints would get if the Colts hired him.

If the Colts talked to Payton’s representatives without the Saints’ permission, that would be a violation of the league’s tampering rules. If the Saints did give Payton permission to negotiate with another team, that could create an awkward dynamic in New Orleans, where Payton would know that the Saints were open to letting him leave and the Saints would know that Payton was interested in talking to another team. It’s never a great sign for a coach’s future if he and his team have both openly looked at the possibilities of parting ways.

The Colts are now out of the coaching market, but Payton may still be in play. He’s a coach to watch for some of the other vacancies around the NFL.

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  1. touchdownelvis says: Jan 5, 2016 9:58 AM

    I’m pretty sure the league can look at phone records and emails from the Colts representatives to make sure they weren’t cheating.

    I’m far more sure that the league won’t bother, though.

  2. tvjules says: Jan 5, 2016 9:58 AM

    Why is Payton a hot commodity? Post bounty gate, defenses have been an embarassment.

  3. tmainj says: Jan 5, 2016 9:59 AM

    Media continues to “fan the flames” and control outcomes.

  4. fumblenuts says: Jan 5, 2016 9:59 AM

    You reap what you sow

    ~ Jim Harbaugh

  5. baddegg says: Jan 5, 2016 10:01 AM

    Where are all the calls for Irsay to “hand over his phone?”

  6. sb44champs says: Jan 5, 2016 10:06 AM

    Why is Payton a hot commodity? Post bounty gate, defenses have been an embarassment.
    ===========================
    He orchestrated one of the best offenses in NFL history and won the Super Bowl. All he needs is a middle of the pack defense and he’s deep in the playoffs every year..

  7. sportsguy3434 says: Jan 5, 2016 10:06 AM

    This isn’t as big of a deal as it is for college coaches. Players know this is a business and they could be cut or traded at any time.

  8. the8man says: Jan 5, 2016 10:10 AM

    “Are you sure you don’t want to go out with me? I can break up with my girlfriend right now.”

    Geez.

  9. headwoundharry says: Jan 5, 2016 10:11 AM

    Irsay talking out of both sides of his mouth again.

  10. ricko1112 says: Jan 5, 2016 10:13 AM

    The Colts are the dirtiest team in the NFL! Despite numerous acts of cheating and rule flaunting they have yet to be punished.

    Caught several times piping in phony crowd noise. They were even nailed on live TV when their recording began skipping!

    They tanked an entire season during the infamous and blatantly obvious “Suck for Luck” campaign. I realize teams will lose on purpose near the end of a season, but Indy set out to lose from game #1.

    They have been seen by several team with inflation needles on the sidelines. That’s against the rules. The only reason to have a needle on the sidelines is to tamper! Just Google the video of the Colts’ ballboy racing to the opposing sideline to take back an intercepted ball!

    They helped initiate the now debunked myth of Deflategate. The fact that their balls were also low should have ended that discussion. Well that, science, and common scense.

    Lying on injury reports that went far above and beyond the gamesmanship of the other 31 teams. Broken ribs and lacerated kidneys? Really?

    Year after year of Bill Polian forcing rule changes down the Competition Committee’s throat. The Colts are the reason why defensive backs cannot even look sideways at a receiver without getting an interference call. That was done to help Manning and the soft Colts’ offense.

    Drugged out, booze hound owner.

    Lying, incompetent GM.

    Indy fans deserve better than the debacle known as the Colts!

  11. mrlaloosh says: Jan 5, 2016 10:13 AM

    Payton wants to go to the Giants. I can’t figure out the reason why. The Saints have had back to back 7-9 records and their defenses have been historically bad. Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen have been horrible.
    Letting Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, Malcolm Jenkins, Roman Harper etc. go has been huge mistakes. Payton has final say on all personnel moves. He’s struck out more then won. The last few drafts have also been horrible. $8,500,000 a year is a lot for any owner to justify paying him. Jarius Byrd, Brandon Browner, C.J. Spiller & Junior Galette have the Saints in roster cap hell. Loomis should also hit the bricks.

  12. robigd says: Jan 5, 2016 10:13 AM

    The media creates this perception that Indy is some hot destination for coaches. It isn’t. They have an over-hyped QB, a terrible defense, terrible owner, and terrible GM.

  13. charliecharger says: Jan 5, 2016 10:15 AM

    There would be a lot of blogs shutting down if teams stopped talking to agents. Where do you think all the rumors get started? Agents manipulate the media to the benefit of themselves.

  14. geewhiz23 says: Jan 5, 2016 10:15 AM

    That grass definitely isn’t greener…

  15. jr4real says: Jan 5, 2016 10:26 AM

    robigd says:
    Jan 5, 2016 10:13 AM
    The media creates this perception that Indy is some hot destination for coaches. It isn’t. They have an over-hyped QB, a terrible defense, terrible owner, and terrible GM.

    ——-

    Totally agree.

    Call went like this:

    Indy: “hey we would love to have SP coach our team”.
    SP agent: “Hahahahahaha”, click.

  16. whywerule says: Jan 5, 2016 10:28 AM

    No self-respecting Head Coach, let alone a Super Bowl winning Head Coach like Sean Payton, would ever agree to work with Ryan Grigson and/or Jim Irsay unless the salary was through the roof.

    No surprise Payton’s reps would turn Irsay down for anything less han a $10 million annual salary.

  17. logast says: Jan 5, 2016 10:31 AM

    That’s a vote of confidence in Pagano right there.

  18. tvjules says: Jan 5, 2016 10:33 AM

    Why is Payton a hot commodity? Post bounty gate, his defenses have been an embarrassment.

  19. maestro1899 says: Jan 5, 2016 10:33 AM

    Why did hte talks fall through?

    If the Saints were asking for too much compensation, then I can understand. But if it was because Sean Payton wanted too much money, then I will reiterate my opinion of Jimmy Irsay — he’s terrible.

    I can understand bringing back Pagano because Luck and the rest of the team like him, but to bring him and Ryan “Might as Well Take Another Undersized WR in the First Round Instead of Offensive Line Help” Grigson.

  20. floratiotime says: Jan 5, 2016 10:35 AM

    Only a fool gives up a pick for a coach … and only a fool team keeps a coach who wants to leave.

  21. rajbais says: Jan 5, 2016 10:39 AM

    And the reps’ response to Irsay likely was, “Not with your crazy behind.”

  22. weepingjebus says: Jan 5, 2016 10:46 AM

    Also saw an article about Irsay recently paying millions to buy Ringo’s drum set while the Colts were still in the divisional hunt. Always keeping his eye on the ball, this guy.

  23. charliecharger says: Jan 5, 2016 10:48 AM

    Chuck Pagano got his team to the AFC Championship last year. Sean Payton didn’t get his team that far. Maybe Pagano was offering a coordinator job to Payton.

  24. Straight Cash Homie says: Jan 5, 2016 10:58 AM

    That’s if you really want to believe a drug addict.

  25. rjm0824 says: Jan 5, 2016 11:10 AM

    The phony media seems upset that for months they have been saying Pagano is gone after the year. It didn’t happen and they look like fools. So it’s all spin now. The story changes to they were trying to replace him but were unable to do it. Just sad, admit you were wrong and move on.

  26. Bob says: Jan 5, 2016 11:13 AM

    The two local newspapers that cover the Saints and Jason LaCanfora of CBS all say Payton’s reps never talked to the Colts.

  27. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 5, 2016 11:25 AM

    floratiotime says:
    Jan 5, 2016 10:35 AM
    Only a fool gives up a pick for a coach … and only a fool team keeps a coach who wants to leave.
    ___________________________

    Fins tampered with Shula then gave up a 1st to Baltimore to keep him. Scummy but it certainly worked out okay.

    Jets gave New England a third and fourth round pick in ’97, a second in ’98 and a first in ’99 for Parcells. He put them back on the map after 8 years without a winning record. They went from 1-15 to 9-7 and the AFCCG the following year.

    The Patriots gave a first in the 2000 draft and fourth- and seventh-rounders in 2001 to the Jets for the rights to Belichick, a 2001 5th, and a 2002 7th. Arguably the best trade in NFL history

  28. futures44 says: Jan 5, 2016 11:29 AM

    Kravitz looks like the liar that he is.Always passing on wrong info, guy is a joke

  29. ravensfan56 says: Jan 5, 2016 11:37 AM

    Irsay sucks!

  30. annapterp says: Jan 5, 2016 11:38 AM

    Bounty gate was a myth and as ridiculous as deflate gate. I think the NFL front office gets bored and just likes to spend money on “investigations”.

    The slow decline of the NFL continues…

  31. ebdug says: Jan 5, 2016 11:40 AM

    I don’t believe the Saints want to part with Payton. It’s more a case of letting him test the waters and, hopefully, having him come back. You can’t keep him if he wants to be somewhere else.

    That ‘somewhere else’ might be New York. If so, the Giants need to put out a deal before Payton’s meeting with the Saints tomorrow.

  32. canesgiants says: Jan 5, 2016 11:44 AM

    ask the pats how it worked out having to give up picks to jets for belicheck

  33. willycents says: Jan 5, 2016 11:49 AM

    LMAO at the “league’s tampering rules”.
    The NFL will never worry about tampering. It happens with every team and player after seasons end, normally’

    Where was the outrage over Blount to NE last year? If that was not outright tampering, nothing was.

  34. Remember when PFT was about football? Now its just a bunch of whiney losers who cry about the Patriots says: Jan 5, 2016 12:04 PM

    floratiotime says:
    Jan 5, 2016 10:35 AM

    Only a fool gives up a pick for a coach … and only a fool team keeps a coach who wants to leave.
    ======================

    Worked out pretty good for Belichick and the Patriots

    Tampa gave up picks for Gruden and won a Super Bowl.

    If its the right coach, the cost isn’t too much

  35. notmanning says: Jan 5, 2016 12:14 PM

    You can always tell a Patriot fan:

    They tanked an entire season during the infamous and blatantly obvious “Suck for Luck” campaign. I realize teams will lose on purpose near the end of a season, but Indy set out to lose from game #1.

    They have been seen by several team with inflation needles on the sidelines. That’s against the rules. The only reason to have a needle on the sidelines is to tamper! Just Google the video of the Colts’ ballboy racing to the opposing sideline to take back an intercepted ball!

    They helped initiate the now debunked myth of Deflategate. The fact that their balls were also low should have ended that discussion. Well that, science, and common scense.

    Lying on injury reports that went far above and beyond the gamesmanship of the other 31 teams. Broken ribs and lacerated kidneys? Really?

    Year after year of Bill Polian forcing rule changes down the Competition Committee’s throat. The Colts are the reason why defensive backs cannot even look sideways at a receiver without getting an interference call. That was done to help Manning and the soft Colts’ offense.

    Drugged out, booze hound owner.

    Lying, incompetent GM.

    Indy fans deserve better than the debacle known as the Colts!

  36. jgedgar70 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:27 PM

    Payton’s people probably said, “If you think he’s going to work under Grigson, we have some beach-front property in Wyoming to sell you.”

  37. Remember when PFT was about football? Now its just a bunch of whiney losers who cry about the Patriots says: Jan 5, 2016 12:28 PM

    willycents says:
    Jan 5, 2016 11:49 AM

    LMAO at the “league’s tampering rules”.
    The NFL will never worry about tampering. It happens with every team and player after seasons end, normally’

    Where was the outrage over Blount to NE last year? If that was not outright tampering, nothing was.
    ====================

    Where is the outrage??? People, ironically just like you, still point out Blount to New England.

    In your mind, this is how it all went down:

    Belichick crafted an email, and sent it to the 30 teams (excluding the Pats and Steelers of course). In this email, he disclosed that if he were to engineer a way for Blount to get cut by the Steelers, he would send them all a $25 IHOP gift card if they didn’t make a waiver claim on Blount. After sending the email, he also made a call to Blount’s agent, letting him know he would be welcomed back to the Pats, and he would only have to take a 70% pay cut, and naturally Blount jumped at the idea. Cuz really, who wouldn’t take a 70% pay cut willingly?

    All 30 teams decided they would love to get their hands on a $25 gift card, and sent Bill a response that he had their full support.

    Now that he had the support of the rest of the league, he employed his strategy. He orchestrated the whole thing. Instructed Blount to be a jerk in the locker room, and then had him leave the field early. And just like that, Blount was cut.

    By the time Belichick returned from IHOP with 30 $25 gift cards, Blount had cleared waivers, paving the way for him to sign a deal with the Patriots. And Blount gladly gave up millions of dollars to sign with the Pats for league veteran minimum.

    Yup, I’m sure it happened just like that…

  38. izzysydbas says: Jan 5, 2016 12:35 PM

    This story is a little hard to believe. Perhaps they did talk to Payton but we don’t know if Payton is even leaving the Saints or not. So excuse me but I’m skeptical. One thing I have learned in life is that the closer you pay attention to what the media says the more you know that they are basically full of crap. They are just never held accountable for anything but instead they just move on to the next “story”.

    All season long the media has done the best they could to create chaos, or at least the perception of chaos, within the Colts organization and they also have predicted Pagano’s demise since, I don’t know, about week 1. This past Sunday Jay Glazer came out and said that Pagano was gone.

    Now since the opposite has happened and the media has egg on their faces out come the spin-meisters in attempt to help them save face. Sorry but it’s too late.

  39. nhpats says: Jan 5, 2016 12:39 PM

    willycents says:
    Jan 5, 2016 11:49 AM
    LMAO at the “league’s tampering rules”.
    The NFL will never worry about tampering. It happens with every team and player after seasons end, normally’

    Where was the outrage over Blount to NE last year? If that was not outright tampering, nothing was.

    —————–

    LOL! Thirty other teams had a chance to pick Blount off waivers before the Pats…. Man you Haters get sillier each passing day.

  40. nhpats says: Jan 5, 2016 12:40 PM

    I wonder how Pagano will feel when Luck refuses to resign with the Colts and opts for another team.

  41. thermanmerman99 says: Jan 5, 2016 12:46 PM

    Robigd yes they are so terrible that they beat the 1 seed in the AFC with Luck and took the 1 seed in the NFC to overtime with Luck, but. luck is just so overrated. Shouldn’t you patriot no life’s be worrying about that complete collapse to the team you always call a dumpster fire, the e Miami dolphins who the Colts beat with a 5 the string qb.

  42. blackball407 says: Jan 5, 2016 1:01 PM

    Is this real or is this like the reports that Pagano was a dead man walking the last 8 weeks??? Not buying any of what the media is selling when it comes to Indy.

  43. infectorman says: Jan 5, 2016 1:04 PM

    Dolts r awesome!! Said no one ever

    Pumping in Fake crown noise.
    Illegal trafficking on Narcotics.
    Tampering with other teams Head Coaches
    Sucking for an entire seasons to snag a “one in a generation” QB.
    Tampering with Live game balls in the ACFCG last year.
    Crying and whining cause they kept getting destroyed by NE

    Deplorable organization from top to Bottom.
    Luck cannot wait to bolt out of Indiana so he can start the 3-year-process of scraping the Dolt stench off of his skin.

  44. charliecharger says: Jan 5, 2016 1:11 PM

    Since Brady has been the Patriots’ QB, there was only one season they missed the playoffs. That was the year Brady was out injured. When Peyton Manning went down a couple years ago the Colts won 2 games. The Cowboys almost went to the super bowl last year, but Romo got hurt and they barely won any games this year. Andrew Luck was hurt this year, and the Colts only went 8-8, after going 11-5 three years in a row. In all these cases, an injured superstar QB was the reason for failure. Not coaching. Not scouting. None of the above. Did Robert Kraft fire Belichick the year Brady was hurt and they missed the playoffs? Of course not. A five year old could figure this stuff out.

  45. streetyson says: Jan 5, 2016 2:03 PM

    Would be typical Irsay, loudly proclaiming he wanted “continuity” but only after having quietly phoned one or two HC’s agents.

  46. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 5, 2016 2:16 PM

    willycents says:
    Jan 5, 2016 11:49 AM
    LMAO at the “league’s tampering rules”.

    Where was the outrage over Blount to NE last year? If that was not outright tampering, nothing was
    _______________________

    The Hoodie is the Bogeyman under the bed of the hateroids, lmao. The Pats were literally the last team in line to have the opportunity to claim him. Although the list of grigson mistakes is long the fact that he didn’t grab him just to keep NE from getting him is arguably among one of the top ten reasons he should be unemployed.

  47. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 5, 2016 2:22 PM

    charliecharger says:
    Jan 5, 2016 1:11 PM
    Since Brady has been the Patriots’ QB, there was only one season they missed the playoffs. That was the year Brady was out injured. When Peyton Manning went down a couple years ago the Colts won 2 games.
    ________________

    Longtime Pats fan but to be accurate they missed the playoffs the year after their first SB win in Brady’s first full year as a starter as well. When Manning ‘went down’ the colts lost as many games as it took to make sure they got Luck.

  48. factman66 says: Jan 5, 2016 2:45 PM

    The argument that Blount wasn’t tampered with since he passed through waivers is idiotic for two reasons.
    One, what team would claim a player who just quit on their previous team?
    Two, check Blount’s response during super bowl week when he was asked about it. He strongly implied he was contacted by NE.

  49. itsfootballbaby says: Jan 5, 2016 3:12 PM

    Jim Irsay is a moron, just like his father. Pagano is a great coach…..

    To even consider cutting loose a head coach with 44 wins in 4 seasons when they never finished below .500, he’d be nuts…… Have another drink Jim.

  50. robigd says: Jan 5, 2016 3:17 PM

    Robigd yes they are so terrible that they beat the 1 seed in the AFC with Luck and took the 1 seed in the NFC to overtime with Luck, but. luck is just so overrated. Shouldn’t you patriot no life’s be worrying about that complete collapse to the team you always call a dumpster fire, the e Miami dolphins who the Colts beat with a 5 the string qb.
    ——————

    I’m a Jaguar fan.

  51. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 5, 2016 3:37 PM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 2:45 PM

    Two, check Blount’s response during super bowl week when he was asked about it. He strongly implied he was contacted by NE.

    ——-

    There are two articles (Pittsburgh Post-Gazzette an 27th, and NFL Network Jan. 28th) that report Blount said “No” when asked if he orchestrated his exit from Pittburgh. He also declined to answer, when asked, if he knew NE would want him back if he left the Steelers. He also declined to answer why he signed with the Steelers in the first place, and if the Steelers had promised him a bigger or different role.

    So if you’ve got something that backs up your claim, gives us a reference like I did.

  52. outlaw53 says: Jan 5, 2016 3:40 PM

    If Sean Peyton doesn’t sign with the Giants ( Manning, OBJ, and Co. ) he will be back in New Orleans. Besides the bungling of Loomis regarding player acquisition, the Saints return a fair level of talent, a HOF QB, and a young defensive secondary. With a couple of draft picks…we will be….7-9 again next season….:-)

  53. factman66 says: Jan 5, 2016 4:40 PM

    Blount “said” no. Watch the video, look at his facial expressions and body language. That’s my evidence, it wasn’t an emphatic no, it was a “wink-wink” no. Regardless my first point is valid.

  54. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 5, 2016 5:07 PM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 4:40 PM

    Your interpretation of body language equates to “strongly implied he was contacted by NE”?

    and as far as teams not claiming him, it is quite possible that no other team wanted to pay him what the Steelers signed him for. Certainly the Patriots didn’t, otherwise I suspect he would have stayed from the start.

  55. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 5, 2016 5:25 PM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 4:40 PM
    Blount “said” no. Watch the video, look at his facial expressions and body language. That’s my evidence, it wasn’t an emphatic no, it was a “wink-wink” no. Regardless my first point is valid.
    _____________

    I did watch it, and read plenty about it at the time as well. Not only did I not see that but it’s funny how the Washington Post, that wrote an article you can actually find about it, seemed to miss it too.

    Your first point is preposterous on it’s face, any team that had a need for a power runner at the time would have taken a flyer on him for a few hundred grand. It’s all about need. For example even Mallett found a spot and he couldn’t even make it into work AND missed a team plane. Additionally Baltimore and Indy dropped the ball by not picking him up for short money to keep him out of NE. factless again

  56. calpatriot says: Jan 5, 2016 5:41 PM

    Irsay shouldn’t have any problem handing over his phone regarding tampering with sean payton? Unless he is guilty right dolts fans? All we heard is Brady must have been guilty because he didn’t hand it over, even though Ted Wells said he didn’t need it and the nfl had no legal right to it.

  57. factman66 says: Jan 5, 2016 7:02 PM

    Of course you didn’t see it that way, you’re a Pats fan, you have no objectivity and will defend any and everything about the Patriots. I don’t agree with your assessment and neither do the majority of people who saw that interview. Your Mallet example is reasonable but the timing of Blount’s exit and signing are completely different and why many don’t believe your take.
    The real question is why I decided to converse with a Pats fan, you’re all the same.

  58. infectorman says: Jan 5, 2016 7:12 PM

    @factman66

    No the real question is why you have to Troll the Pats EVERY SGINLE CHANCE YOU GET NO MATER WHAT.

    Did Bill B steal your lunch money in 3rd grade?

    you’re a Giants fan…
    Tell me why it’s OK the Giants get a free pass for Faking injuries in the SB. A fact supported by Strahan himself. Look it up on utube. Its there.

    By your logic, their 2 recent SB’s have asterisks next to them. No way around them

  59. infectorman says: Jan 5, 2016 7:21 PM

    Also, I am a longtime Pats fan. NOT one of those NE Fans you haters are fond to say wouldn’t know who Andre Tippett was or Stanley Morgan was.

    Here’s something I can’t stand about the Pats: they cannot draft a WR to save their life.

    They should have done a lot more in these past 15 years to get Brady some drafted weapons who could have grown up and matured as a players here in NE, besides Deion Branch.

    I wish they would take a few notebooks worth of lessons out of the Steelers player scouting dept: I’m not sure any team in the league has drafted more high end WR’s than Pitt staring with Hines Ward to M Bryant and everyone in between.

    Heck, even having Nate Washington for a few years would have been great!
    BB has been flat out awful in in drafting WR’s

  60. factman66 says: Jan 5, 2016 7:28 PM

    If Strahan said it then they did. I won’t make any excuses. Happy? At least I’m man enough to take that stance, if it were the Pats you would deny it until your face turned blue or say its gamesmanship or the refs fault for not calling it or blame the league.

  61. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 5, 2016 8:50 PM

    infectorman says:
    Jan 5, 2016 7:12 PM
    @factman66

    No the real question is why you have to Troll the Pats EVERY SGINLE CHANCE YOU GET NO MATER WHAT.

    Did Bill B steal your lunch money in 3rd grade?

    you’re a Giants fan…
    Tell me why it’s OK the Giants get a free pass for Faking injuries in the SB. A fact supported by Strahan himself. Look it up on utube. Its there.

    By your logic, their 2 recent SB’s have asterisks next to them. No way around them
    ______________

    factless masquerades as a Giants fan to troll Pats fans. Type ‘NFL re-files Brady brief’ in the PFT search box above. He was unequivocally outed in the comments. Just do what the comments suggest, outside of the most recent Giants stories check out Giants articles for any comments from him. Start with the Beckham suspension threads. They are the most tell tale since virtually all the regular Giants fans commented and went back and forth on them. I did and, yep you guessed it, nothing there. It’s also enlightening to look at the Pats vs Giants comments from week 10.

  62. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 6, 2016 9:07 AM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 5, 2016 7:02 PM
    Of course you didn’t see it that way, you’re a Pats fan, you have no objectivity and will defend any and everything about the Patriots.
    The real question is why I decided to converse with a Pats fan, you’re all the same.
    ____________________

    We are hardly all the same. Some of us go back to the AFL days. I’ve been a season ticket holder since ’82 and survived Victor Kiam. Like most guys that are fans of the sport as opposed to just fanboys, bandwagoners, trolls or haters I don’t have too much trouble separating the wheat from the chaff or correcting inaccuracies with actual facts. This was posted 20 minutes before the factless head popped up but since it doesn’t suit your narrative guess you ‘missed’ it:

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Jan 5, 2016 2:22 PM
    charliecharger says:
    Jan 5, 2016 1:11 PM
    Since Brady has been the Patriots’ QB, there was only one season they missed the playoffs. That was the year Brady was out injured. When Peyton Manning went down a couple years ago the Colts won 2 games.
    ________________

    Longtime Pats fan but to be accurate they missed the playoffs the year after their first SB win in Brady’s first full year as a starter as well. When Manning ‘went down’ the colts lost as many games as it took to make sure they got Luck.
    ——

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