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NFL won’t say whether PSI will be tested in Minnesota on Sunday

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The wild-card round of the playoffs will include a game at Minnesota featuring bitterly cold temperatures. It’s the kind of temperatures that makes things shrivel. Including but not limited to the air inside of a football.

But with the coldest game of the season looming (and with, as Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports has explained, PSI possibly dropping below 9.0), the NFL has no automatic plan to test the PSI of either team’s footballs on Sunday, at halftime or anytime.

“They are done randomly,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said Thursday via email regarding the league’s air-pressure testing protocol. “We are not given a list and we do not have a comment on other aspects of the program.”

Throughout the 2015 regular season, the NFL did indeed randomly test PSI levels. October comments from Commissioner Roger Goodell suggested that the program was less about science and more about enforcing the rules.

It became clear during the effort to suspend Patriots quarterback Tom Brady for his role in whatever other employees of the team were or weren’t doing that the NFL previously had no idea that footballs taken from a warm environment within the accepted range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI into the cold would experience a decline in air pressure. As a result, when the footballs used by the Patriots in the AFC championship game last January showed PSI levels below the minimum of 12.5 at halftime, a strong presumption of tampering arose.

From that point forward, the process seemed to be focused on justifying that presumption and not understanding the science. The absence of curiosity about how PSI behaves in all types of playing conditions leads to one logical conclusion: The NFL doesn’t want to generate the kind of comprehensive, 333-game database of evidence that would possibly show that the Patriots didn’t cheat or that, at a minimum, the “more probable than not” conclusions from the notorious Ted Wells report were more probably than not aimed at reaching a predetermined result that meshed with the strong presumption that emerged as the PSI levels from the Patriots’ footballs were coming in under 12.5.

Instead of testing the air pressure at halftime and after every preseason, regular-season, and postseason game, the NFL has opted for randomness, with no commitment to disclose any of the information generated. As a result, no one knows when, where, or how often PSI testing will happen — with the exception of one report that PSI levels were checked during the Titans-Patriots game last month in New England.

Most importantly, no one will know what the measured levels were. Which will prevent anyone from comparing the readings on cold-weather days to the readings from a year ago and concluding that the results of the Wells investigation were inconclusive.

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273 Responses to “NFL won’t say whether PSI will be tested in Minnesota on Sunday”
  1. mrbiggstuff says: Jan 8, 2016 7:59 AM

    Aaaannnddd here we go…..

  2. jimnsota says: Jan 8, 2016 8:03 AM

    Who cares! NFL needs to put their focus on the refs who can determine the outcome versus a 1lb of air. That said the Vikings could use a call or two, history has been unfair with the yellow flag or lack thereof of. I’ll take a Brady or two during the Vikings vs. Hawks tilt. SKOLiDER

  3. nfl1818 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:04 AM

    NFL office. The land of missfit toys.

  4. hahaicansezbelicheat says: Jan 8, 2016 8:04 AM

    You don’t need to measure, they will be between 8.5 to 9.5 because the laws of nature are constant. There may be some variance from human error, equipment error, or other external factors. Either way, that makes both teams the cheatiest of cheaters, per NFL policy.

  5. claydefayette says: Jan 8, 2016 8:08 AM

    NFL needs to do science projects for what everyone else already knows

  6. 1pavikingfan says: Jan 8, 2016 8:09 AM

    Make sure Walt Coleman calls a fair game.

  7. coreyn23 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:11 AM

    Will Brady be there?…otherwise they don’t need to worry about it.

  8. rhamrhoddy says: Jan 8, 2016 8:13 AM

    Think about it for a second: suppose the league were to to announce which games they actually tested the game balls and suppose they even went so far as to report what the PSI levels were for those games.

    Why would anyone possibly believe them? Were these balls checked by an ‘independent’ third party? They were? Oh ok then, we believe you. Good job.

    The farce continues.

  9. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    If they measured the PSI this season and the results supported the NFL, you can sure as hell bet that info would have been leaked. NFL knows they messed up and will not release any info because they will look foolish Science wins again!

  10. dbarnes67 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck

  11. whywerule says: Jan 8, 2016 8:17 AM

    Ray Lewis and Peyton Manning cheat with PEDs – that is just fine according to the NFL and their ESPN partner.

    Colts and Patriots footballs drop in PSI due to natural laws of science during a cold weather game – New England Patriots and Tom Brady are monsters according to the NFL and their ESPN partner, but the Colts are angels.

    This is your NFL on stupid people.

    Unfortunately to be continued at least as long as Goodell is in charge.

  12. blspears says: Jan 8, 2016 8:17 AM

    If thats big of a deal use nitrogen instead of air.

  13. nickmedici55 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:17 AM

    Are the Pats playing in Minnesota? No? Then no they aren’t testing because if they did then the NFL would be proven wrong.

  14. voddyt says: Jan 8, 2016 8:19 AM

    And this surprises who?

  15. rideforjesus says: Jan 8, 2016 8:19 AM

    “with the exception of one report that PSI levels were checked during the Titans-Patriots game last month in New England.”

    REALLY!!!!! COME ON HERE PEOPLE… TEST
    AND TEST FOR COMPLETENESS AND ACCURACY OR DON’T TEST.

    I AM NOT ABOUT TO CHECK ONLY 2 TIRES ON MY TRUCK …I CHECK ALL FOR BALANCE.

    BALANCE THE TESTING.
    PRODUCE THE FACTS,
    COME OUT FROM THE BS IN HIDING DATA.

    YOU CHOSE TO CONVICT WITH OUT DATA… NOW YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO ACQUIRE OVER THOUSANDS OF MEASUREMENT POINTS OF DATA AND FAILED TO DO SO…YOU CHOSE TO DO RANDOM VERSE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS?

    UNDER THE GUISE OF ENFORCING THE RULES!!!!!

    IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF YOU REQUIRED IT ACROSS THE BOARD AT ALL GAMES …… YOU WOULD ACHIEVE BOTH RESULTS …..YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE DATA AND FULL COMPLIANCE.

    WHAT YOU SACRED OF MR GOODELL????????

  16. bonitalocal says: Jan 8, 2016 8:19 AM

    Does the NFL care as to how stupid they look?
    Are they testing to see if science is real?
    Do they think that by not releasing the results that the whole world will not be sure as to whether they should believe in science?

  17. cb3313 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:20 AM

    Shouldn’t the people demanding “Integrity” of the game, have some Integrity themselves?

    Absolute FRAUDS! Just like all the Haters…

  18. jpak12 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:20 AM

    Funny, it seems all info seems to get leaked at some point, but all of a sudden the NFL is able to keep something secret.

    Pretty obvious that the results of the tests show that no tampering occurred, but unfortunately for Goodell the majority of the billionaires who pay his salary are demanding he takes down the Patriots.

    My guess is if the NFL ever releases any info on the tests they ran, they will pick out the results from warm weather games or games played indoors and try to say that is proof of Pats cheating.

    If that’s not depressing enough, what’s more sad is the majority of fans will believe that.

  19. mazenblue says: Jan 8, 2016 8:21 AM

    Oh, now the cold affects the ball. Yall play a different tune each week, NFL.

  20. Bonerz'NPudz says: Jan 8, 2016 8:22 AM

    Because they don’t want to look bad when they know the pressure will go down from the cold.

  21. isphet71 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:23 AM

    Of course not. The NFL isn’t interested in being fair and treating every team and every game equally. They are only interested in furthering their own agenda.

  22. tattooit says: Jan 8, 2016 8:24 AM

    They are done randomly,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said.
    *******************************
    Randomly… In Foxboro. It’s ok Brian, you can say it.

  23. routerunner says: Jan 8, 2016 8:25 AM

    We’ll never know if they test or not because there’s two things that the NFL doesn’t want to prove: the existence of the Ideal Gas Law, and the existence of HGH at a Manning residence.

  24. manningcheats says: Jan 8, 2016 8:25 AM

    When you’re only testing one team is that still considered “randomly”?

  25. uwisheuwereapatsfan2 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:25 AM

    you would think that the TV crew would have the sideline reporter stick a needle in a ball during the game and show the reading to the camera if for no reason other than pure entertainment

  26. bullcharger says: Jan 8, 2016 8:26 AM

    A better approach would have been to record PSI and changes in PSI in every game and release all the information and if it turned out to show that the swings in the Patriots – Colts game were realistic then just let the whole thing go. If their testing showed that the changes in PSI were always less then what we saw in that game, then they would be justified in continuing their pursuit of the issue.

    Controlling the information the way they are will just make it basically unusable as any release of information will basically be seen as selective and incomplete and ultimately false.

  27. Remember when PFT was about football? Now its just a bunch of whiney losers who cry about the Patriots says: Jan 8, 2016 8:26 AM

    Its sad and incredibly pathetic at this point. The NFL, who tells anyone who will listen that they are the pillar of integrity, doesn’t have the integrity to check themselves.

    Maybe they are right about deflategate, maybe they are wrong. But they should at the very least take advantage of a procedure that will help to clarify things. And have the balls to admit they were wrong if the results say they were wrong. Why are they afraid of the PSI results? If they know they are right, they should be 100% confident that the PSI readings will back them up.

    The problem is, this pillar of integrity is afraid that if they check the PSI levels of every ball, in every game, in every playing condition, they will be proved wrong. Think about that. They have so much integrity that they will do whatever they have to do in order to not be wrong. That’s sick.

    Its essentially the same thing as a person on trial for a crime. The cops who arrested this person, have a long history of hatred toward him. They have the evidence that will exonerate him of the charges, but they sit on that evidence. They aren’t interested in the truth being revealed, they are interested solely on the punishment of this “criminal”, even though they know the “criminal” is innocent. That is exactly what is happening here with PSI data. The NFL refuses to collect, and disclose the PSI data. Not because they know it will prove them right, but because they know it will prove them wrong.

    I have a really really really hard time accepting that from the NFL. If they don’t have the integrity to ensure that everything is level, and don’t have the integrity to hold themselves accountable, the league is in trouble. I would have a dramatically increased level of respect if the NFL went through the process of collecting the data, disclosing the data, and admitting that they were wrong. It leads one to ask, why are they so dead set on hammering the Patriots, even if they didn’t commit the crime??? Doesn’t that seem odd to anyone? What is behind this?

  28. patsdynastylives says: Jan 8, 2016 8:27 AM

    It won’t matter because the Vikings will just heat them up with the sideline heaters with no punishment from the NFL.

  29. grogantomorgan says: Jan 8, 2016 8:27 AM

    Why would they be transparent ? The league office isn’t an impartial entity … such a shame/sham !

  30. Remember when PFT was about football? Now its just a bunch of whiney losers who cry about the Patriots says: Jan 8, 2016 8:28 AM

    Its sad and incredibly pathetic at this point. The NFL, who tells anyone who will listen that they are the pillar of integrity, doesn’t have the integrity to check themselves.

    Maybe they are right about deflategate, maybe they are wrong. But they should at the very least take advantage of a procedure that will help to clarify things. And have the balls to admit they were wrong if the results say they were wrong. Why are they afraid of the PSI results? If they know they are right, they should be 100% confident that the PSI readings will back them up.

    The problem is, this pillar of integrity is afraid that if they check the PSI levels of every ball, in every game, in every playing condition, they will be proved wrong. Think about that. They have so much integrity that they will do whatever they have to do in order to not be wrong. That’s sick.

    Its essentially the same thing as a person on trial for a crime. The cops who arrested this person, have a long history of hatred toward him. They have the evidence that will exonerate him of the charges, but they sit on that evidence. They aren’t interested in the truth being revealed, they are interested solely on the punishment of this “criminal”, even though they know the “criminal” is innocent. That is exactly what is happening here with PSI data. The NFL refuses to collect, and disclose the PSI data. Not because they know it will prove them right, but because they know it will prove them wrong.

    I have a really really really hard time accepting that from the NFL. If they don’t have the integrity to ensure that everything is level, and don’t have the integrity to hold themselves accountable, the league is in trouble. I would have a dramatically increased level of respect if the NFL went through the process of collecting the data, disclosing the data, and admitting that they were wrong. It leads one to ask, why are they so dead set on hammering the Patriots, even if they didn’t commit the crime??? Doesn’t that seem odd to anyone? What is behind this?

  31. nflequalswwe says: Jan 8, 2016 8:28 AM

    Of course not – wouldn’t want to damage the false narrative of Framegate and take away the last remaining threads of Hatriots nation’s fuel.

    (Science, common sense, and the gross manipulation/promotion of lies within the media by the NFL have done most of this!)

  32. thecape15 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:29 AM

    The voice of reason. Refreshing.

  33. laffers says: Jan 8, 2016 8:29 AM

    If they do test the balls I can’t imagine the league will publicize the results. We all know the PSI levels will be low due to the cold, however the league will never admit it

  34. honeybadger14 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:30 AM

    What would the penalty be if some team failed a random testing?

  35. mmack66 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:32 AM

    In before the science deniers.

  36. patsxsaintsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 8:32 AM

    NFL you are already look like one of the biggest jokes of an organization without taking this to court the second time. Why would you not check every game to make sure it’s not like the nfl doesn’t have the funds. More importantly if you aren’t going to check it in a game with freezing temperature where the psi would change for a fact then why even be checking? If the nfl said look we checked all the balls during a game scheduled to be at -1 degree and we found all the balls to be within normal psi that would be some tough evidence to refute as apposed to when the temperature didn’t change at the 72 degree game in October because it’s also 72 degrees in the meeting room

  37. hatersgonnahatehate says: Jan 8, 2016 8:32 AM

    ‘From that point forward, the process seemed to be focused on justifying that presumption and not understanding the science’

    This.

  38. infectorman says: Jan 8, 2016 8:33 AM

    Tom Brady = GOAT

    Peyton Manning = Peyton Manning*

  39. pats777 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:36 AM

    Actually, they’ll probably let them cook the balls in front of the heaters there just like last time, because #Integrity…

  40. deacon85 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:37 AM

    If the NFL refuses to disclose the PSI levels, the reasonable inference is that they want those PSI levels to remain secret. So, why are they hiding them? Is there any logical conclusion other than that they are afraid the PSI levels will completely destroy their case against Tom Brady?
    I’m a Patriots fan, but I’m willing to accept whatever the PSI levels show. If they show little or no deflation, then OK, I won’t argue with the Brady suspension. But let’s be fair both ways. If the deflation exonerates Brady, then so be it. It seems the NFL is not willing to accept the possibility that the PSI levels will show they unfairly and unjustly went after Brady and Patriots (I’d like the first round pick back too, but let’s find out what the PSI levels are first).

  41. bradyakagod says: Jan 8, 2016 8:38 AM

    Wouldn’t it be bizarre if the NFL tests the pats balls during thier game in cold weather and disregard the ideal gas law again. I wouldn’t put it past them. Then test the pats opponents balls also and then stop testing them after thier balls start coming under 12.5 also just like any football on earth would and say you ran out of time which was actually insulting to the idiots who bought that as an excuse intelligence?

  42. codythao35 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:38 AM

    If people want to know about ball psi, just ask Aaron Rodgers. He knows everything about inflating them.

  43. Ed Desautels says: Jan 8, 2016 8:40 AM

    The NFL doesn’t give a flying football about PSI. What it DOES care about is a sustained, 15-year period of dominance by one team.

  44. ariani1985 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:40 AM

    Tom Brady must be licking his lips wanting to play this game!

  45. baddegg says: Jan 8, 2016 8:41 AM

    Why would they test it? The Patriots are not playing.

    No need for a secret sting to trap someone therefore.

  46. pftreader69 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:41 AM

    No surprise here, for Goodell this was never about integrity or finding the truth to begin with.

  47. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 8:42 AM

    Anyone with a brain knows that if the results of these tests suited the NFL’s agenda it would have been leaked by now.

    Silence is much louder than words in many cases and it definitely is true here.
    :)

  48. Della Street says: Jan 8, 2016 8:43 AM

    31 degrees when I started my car. “Check tire pressure” warning came on. Who knew!!

  49. mlzehnder says: Jan 8, 2016 8:43 AM

    Of course the NFL won’t test the footballs! We all know they would register way low; it’s science in action! That would give credence to Brady’s position, for which they just filed a suspension appeal.

    Though, Goodell loves looking stupid, apparently, so who knows…

  50. codythao35 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:44 AM

    Teddy is going to light it up on Sunday. Something tells me Zimmer will come up with a fantastic plan, not only on offense but especially defensive plan to to make Russell stumble and send the seachickens back to Seattle where they belong.

  51. jrossizzle says: Jan 8, 2016 8:46 AM

    No New England = No Need

  52. patswinagain says: Jan 8, 2016 8:46 AM

    .051 people! That’s the magic number. For every degree change in temperature, that’s the amount the psi changes. It’s a fact.
    Hawks vs vikes….70 degree diff equals 3.57 psi drop. Every ball, no matter where it started, will be well below legal limit.

  53. yooperman says: Jan 8, 2016 8:46 AM

    Careful what wish for New England fans.
    If the pressure is supposed to drop a pound or two between 70 and 40 degrees, what’s it going to drop when it gets to -10? After a year listening to NE fans passing gas with temperature changes, this game might be played with a frisbe.

  54. footballfanatic says: Jan 8, 2016 8:47 AM

    Def test them, see #1 how much they drop (if its up to a full 2psi drop in any ball) and #2 test the range of the drop. ALl of the Colts balls finished within .5 psi of eachother (they were all in the same conditions), the pats balls had a range of 1.4 psi between the balls at halftime. If there is a drop, all balls should fall about the same amt and not have one drop .2 psi and another a full 2 psi- that just doesnt make sense. Either way, test them this game.

  55. rportkid says: Jan 8, 2016 8:47 AM

    The NFL is run by dishonest scumbags. Led by serial liar Goodell. Even if they did measure and release the data, nobody could believe it. Pathetic.

  56. trevor190 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:48 AM

    Just a complete shambles. I have no doubt the NFL will leak the results of some random tests at some point, probably from warm weather games in which PSI didn’t drop, and ESPN and the general public will lap it up.

  57. jagsfanugh says: Jan 8, 2016 8:49 AM

    Let the witch hunt go. Time to move on NFL.

  58. 6ball says: Jan 8, 2016 8:50 AM

    .
    Goodell better look off into the horizon and see the tsunami of ire headed his way. Immediately after the Super Bowl, we head into draft mode. When it becomes apparent that, despite the empirical evidence exonerating the Patriots, Goodell will punish them severely, a backlash will begin. There’s enough independent journalists who now know that the emporer has no clothes.

    Since Judge Berman’s decision Brady’s position has strengthened. Goodell’s position has gotten considerably worse.

    Who would have believed that the owners of NFL franchises are nothing more than those ” mean girls” from junior high.
    .

  59. nepatriot1 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:50 AM

    This is only for their benefit. Everyone knows how temperature effects pressure. Run the expiriment yourself, this entire circus has nothing to do with Brady, it’s about the NFL losing control in the CBA.

  60. greenegggrillin says: Jan 8, 2016 8:51 AM

    Why doesn’t whatever network is covering this game, do a test? One ball reading before the game, one at halftime. Mystery solved! Also would make for some interesting viewing if the games a blowout

  61. grogansheroes says: Jan 8, 2016 8:51 AM

    Integrity only matters if it’s New England. If you’re the Colts, Ravens, Falcons, Broncos, 49ers, Browns, Cowboys, Goodell, Kensil, or Vincent, it doesn’t apply.

  62. eddievortex says: Jan 8, 2016 8:52 AM

    If I was a member of the NFLPA management, I’d demand that the NFL release ALL of the PSI results that were done.

    We now know that the NFL won’t release those figures because they know that “more probably than not” NE did not let any air out of those footballs!

    If the NFL is allowed to get away with this, just think what they’ll do to another team or player down the road…

  63. xlichamps says: Jan 8, 2016 8:55 AM

    But more importantly, are they going to check the PSI levels before and after they go into the bathroom?

  64. Thretosix says: Jan 8, 2016 8:56 AM

    The league would if they had any integrity… Just saying, I wouldn’t hold my breath though.

  65. sterling7 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:56 AM

    I found out the NFL won’t say because it’s too cold =)

  66. qbarrel says: Jan 8, 2016 8:57 AM

    It floors me that these are the people in charge of a multi-billion dollar business.

    They made a huge deal out of ball inflation pressure when it suited them in their game of ‘Gotcha’ with the Patriots but for all other games it almost seems like they can’t be bothered to properly test and compile the data. Since they’ve backed themselves into a corner, they will continue to do their halfassed testing until the general public forgets about it.

  67. bertilfox says: Jan 8, 2016 8:57 AM

    Hey Roger, Dean Wormer told me to tell you “Willfully Ignorant is no way to go through life, son”. That’s a direct quote…more or less.

  68. leatherface2012 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:58 AM

    keep the balls in a heater and then throw the heater

  69. shoeflypie says: Jan 8, 2016 8:59 AM

    For the second time this winter, my yellow tire pressure light came on yesterday. Temperatures have trending colder in the last week. I can’t for the life of me figure out what is going on.

    The offices of the NFL now realize that they really stepped in it with their wild accusations. Or, of course, as some haters have been wont to say, the Ideal Gas Law only works in ideal situations.

    Well, Goodeel has had an “ideal” situation in which to test Mr. Wells’absurd report.

    Way to shield “The Shield”, Roger. Give us a break!

  70. truthprofessor says: Jan 8, 2016 9:00 AM

    The entire scientific world is waiting anxiously to see whether the NFL finds the pressure-temperature relationship (first postulated and even DEMONSTRATED in about 1702) to be valid or not.

    Oh, wait, we don’t need such tests.

    We also know that the earth isn’t flat, that water is wet, and that the NFL lacks integrity. All of these ideas have been tested and verified.

  71. factman1000 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:00 AM

    Who generates the “random” list of games they test?

  72. tim2200 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:01 AM

    What shocks me is why no media outlets have done this testing during these cold weather games.

    This was a story the media couldn’t get enough of. One would think they’d be really fired up to do this testing themselves.

    Media’s lack of follow up has been bizarre.

  73. Cunning Linguist says: Jan 8, 2016 9:01 AM

    What possible legitimate reason could the League have for keeping PSI results secret? I challenge all the haters to give us an explanation, because the only explanation I can see for not disclosing the results is that the League KNOWS that their publication would completely undermine the League’s narrative that the Patriots cheated.

  74. 17dayz says: Jan 8, 2016 9:01 AM

    they’ll just be tested in AZ with roof closed

    perfect condition to test PSI in cold weather. Hopefully there’s a turnover and a Seahawk or Viking will blow the lid for the other side having “under inflated” ball.

    #integrity

  75. firemikekensil says: Jan 8, 2016 9:03 AM

    Let’s look at Brady’s stats for this year and figure out if air pressure played a role in his performance:

    **He threw more touchdown passes than anyone else in the NFL It was tied for the third-highest single-season total of Brady’s career.

    ** He led the NFL in touchdown-to-interception ratio

    ** He ranked third in passing yards (100 yards behind Drew Brees and 22 yards behind Philip Rivers.)

    ** He ranked fourth in passer rating.
    (He did this despite losing his best wide receiver for nearly half of a season and losing his dynamic backfield receiving threat in early November. He also lost his starting left tackle in mid-October and was without his right tackle-turned left tackle for the final two weeks. His interior line rotated three rookies and two second-year players.)

    Oh – and the BS about fumbles:

    **Patriots had the fewest fumbles among rushers in the NFL with two.

    **Were tied for the fifth-fewest fumbles in the NFL on receptions with three (3)

    **the Patriots only lost seven (7) total fumbles all year long, which left them tied for second-fewest in the NFL.

  76. nhstateline says: Jan 8, 2016 9:04 AM

    Hey Goodell: “You want the truth ? You can’t handle the truth!!!” Simply pathetic. The difference between WWE and the NFL at this point seems to be not much. One team won too much and had to be taken down a peg (amounts to fixing the outcome). Now that they’re taken care of, yeah this ball thingy….nevermind.

  77. gavriloprincip33 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:04 AM

    Transparency from the NFL? I think not…

  78. wimpyburgers says: Jan 8, 2016 9:04 AM

    Check as many balls as you like, but make sure you check Brady’s the next couple weeks.

  79. wiscobear says: Jan 8, 2016 9:05 AM

    It is frustrating the NFL won’t report the results but on the other hand, it wouldn’t be all that difficult for anyone else to independently run these tests.

  80. nolasoxfan2012 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:05 AM

    The NFL’s corruption on this point goes beyond randomly choosing games. They also very carefully designed their testing rules so that they wouldn’t replicate what happened with the Patriots’ balls.

  81. gavriloprincip33 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:05 AM

    factman1000 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:00 AM
    Who generates the “random” list of games they test?

    —–

    Easy – it’s the Pats schedule…

    – Lifelong Cowboys fan

  82. captainwhodat says: Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?

  83. bloomer006999999 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:09 AM

    Politics $ Money.
    Good Day, Sir.

  84. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:09 AM

    They will not reveal the data until they ‘COOK IT’ and make sure it agrees with the results they want that proves:
    A.) Brady had the footballs deflated
    and
    B.) Science is controled by the NFL, not weather and the Law of Physics.
    C.) The NFL is the only accredited institution to accredit any report on footballs.
    D.) Judge Berman owes the NFL an apology

  85. patriotsticketssince1978 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:12 AM

    The NFL executive officers are a National disgrace.

    The real scum are the owners however.

  86. redrew says: Jan 8, 2016 9:14 AM

    Roger lied
    Wells lied
    Exponent lied
    Vincent lied
    Pash lied
    Grigson lied
    Ravens lied
    Only one player in Deflategate was willing to go under oath …Tom Brady.
    In the mean time, if your last name is Manning, your immune to investigation and worshipped on air by Manning business partner/announcer Jim Nance….and…. Major NFL sponsor Papa Johns can’t have it’s lead spokesman embroiled in a PEDs investigation…..business first…Goodell’s NFL……where Park Avenue controls gameday officiating decisions and targets certain NFL teams using manufactured evidence.

  87. tomtravis76 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:15 AM

    Some sales rep or intern on their way out should test balls before ,during and after the Pats game next week and post all results to a social media outlet.

    Or maybe some fan at the Vikings game will be bold enough to do it.

  88. ricko1112 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:15 AM

    Of course the NFL isn’t going to test the psi. The fact that they’re moving ahead in appeals court clearly shows that they have no interest in truth, justice and the American way!

    Again, this whole Deflategate farce is nothing more that a steaming pile of Dolt manure and Ratbird droppings! Science, common sense, and by the NFL’s own admission prove that Mother Nature, and Mother Nature alone, was the culprit here. Anyone who lives above the Mason Dixon Line knew that the day after the AFCCG last season. 99% of football fans know it now.

    The other 1%, like nofactsman don’t follow football. Their alliances to teams change every year depending on which team is doing the best, or because they like the color of the uniforms.

  89. scrotiemcb says: Jan 8, 2016 9:15 AM

    It’s silly that all the other evidence in this fiasco is ignored because the Patriots found a wee little loophole and manipulated the football media into a pathetic and predictable tunnel vision.

    I mean, obviously the ideal gas law explains away all the texts about T*mmy and his interest in a lowly team employee with the mildly coincidental nickname “The Deflator”. Geez, talk about an incredibly unlucky confluence between a global conspiracy and a witty nickname for an obese assistant ball boy. Obviously the NFL got incredibly lucky there, when they made the sensible decision to engage in a baseless witch hunt against easily their most marketable and enduring superstar, which, in it’s self, makes all the sense in the world.

  90. marima07 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:16 AM

    When you’re only testing one team is that still considered “randomly”?
    ————————————–
    Right. It goes along with the “random” bug-testing of the visitors’ locker room at Gillette Stadium before a Jets game.

  91. marima07 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM

    If they test, there had better be WITNESSES!

  92. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM

    The deflator, the lack of cooperation, the smashed cellphone, McNally taking the balls in an unsupervised restricted place…
    Also, it was unseasonably warm in that game, I want to say in the mid 50s.
    This whole thing is laughable.

  93. psousa1 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM

    FIFA officials must be looking at Goodell from afar and saying “This guy – he’s our kind of guy.”

  94. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:19 AM

    Oh, and those texts….

  95. pointtwopsiistheissue says: Jan 8, 2016 9:21 AM

    Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?
    ———————————————————-
    not unless they start playing outside in cold weather!!

  96. cb3313 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:24 AM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck

    ___________________________________

    Comments often heard from the Losers Circle!

  97. jbdvks says: Jan 8, 2016 9:26 AM

    Who cares? The best team on Sunday wins. Period.

  98. Remember when PFT was about football? Now its just a bunch of whiney losers who cry about the Patriots says: Jan 8, 2016 9:26 AM

    honeybadger14 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:30 AM

    What would the penalty be if some team failed a random testing?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    The penalty for any of the 32 teams failing the random test is obviously that the Patriots would lose a 1st round pick, Brady would be suspended for 4 games, and the Patriots would lose $1,000,000. Integrity, and blah and all that noise…

  99. patfanken says: Jan 8, 2016 9:26 AM

    Everyone who follows football KNOWS that there was no ball tampering the night of the AFCCG. This is such a joke that even the dozen or so professional haters who stalk Patriots stories won’t bother to post here.

    There can only be 2 results from the “comprehensive” testing the NFL promised us to such fanfare back in the spring. One is the the result will confirm what every Jr. HS science teacher (and student) has known for a year. Or 2, the NFL will fudge the data so it will look inconclusive.

    We already know that they will spend up to $10MM to get whatever results they need to get.

    Brady didn’t do ANYTHING. He needs to get his good name back. The Pats didn’t do anything. They need to get their draft picks back. It the league feels the need to save face, they can keep the money.

    BTW- the best post to describe the entire deflategate starter is the guy who wrote that this entire affair is just some “mean girls” attack from Jr High. Sad and pathetic sad sacks who couldn’t stand the fact that there was someone prettier than they were.

  100. streetyson says: Jan 8, 2016 9:29 AM

    footballfanatic says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:47 AM
    Def test them, see #1 how much they drop (if its up to a full 2psi drop in any ball) and #2 test the range of the drop. ALl of the Colts balls finished within .5 psi of eachother (they were all in the same conditions), the pats balls had a range of 1.4 psi between the balls at halftime. If there is a drop, all balls should fall about the same amt and not have one drop .2 psi and another a full 2 psi- that just doesnt make sense. Either way, test them this game.
    —————————
    Poor hater, doesn’t know that only 4 of the Colts’ 12 balls were tested, and that the Colts balls hadn’t seen much play (and importantly were allowed to warm back up before testing) whereas some of the Pats balls had sren a lot of play and were all measured cold, and that the Colts knew beforehand that the balls were likely to be tested, and that the one ONE ball supposedly coming in at 2psi under was the most varied because the first tester (Prioleau) tested it at 1.6 under. Play, wet, cold, gauge error range & human error (both in initial inflation and later testing) and variation between balls and their valves, and impact on balls, taken together can easily explain the numbers. But of course, hater knew all the above.

  101. underdog518 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:29 AM

    Of course they won’t say. Because transparency.

    Right, Rog?

  102. lscottman3 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:29 AM

    it is unfortunate that the networks covering the games do not take a ball on the sideline and stick a needle in it and just show how cold impacts the pressure.

    It is clearly evident that they are afraid a vindictive NFL would hold that against them the next time contracts are up for renewal.

    Sad

  103. bencoates57 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:32 AM

    If the NFL reports that weather has a minimal effect on PSI levels, is anyone going to believe them? This had to be done by an independent entity NOT APPOINTED by the NFL.

  104. patriotsticketssince1978 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:34 AM

    It is a very simple fact that any ball tested over the course of this season will have lost pressure if the outdoor temperature is less than that of the indoor temperature where the balls were originally inflated. The greater the temperature decline the greater the pressure decline. If inclement weather was involved it will also cause the pressure to decline. If the ball was used more than others it will cause the pressure to decline.

    If the NFL does ever release any data concerning their PSI measurements and they show no decline it will simply be doctored data similar to what was used in the Wells report. It could be nothing but doctored data.

  105. weepingjebus says: Jan 8, 2016 9:35 AM

    It all flows from the league’s obsession with parity. Their business model now demands that every team have a chance as long as possible, and every fan base have a belief they can win it all the next year. So any team that consistently outperforms the average even after being hampered by the resulting lower draft picks is going to get called onto the carpet. That the league was stupid enough to go after the SB MVP in particular based on facts a 9th grade science teacher could explain in 2 minutes just speaks to Goodell’s unique brand of incompetence.

  106. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 9:37 AM

    Where were all the fumbles Patriot Hater?

    What happened?
    :)

  107. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:38 AM

    You asked: “It leads one to ask, why are they so dead set on hammering the Patriots, even if they didn’t commit the crime??? Doesn’t that seem odd to anyone? What is behind this?”
    ===============================

    So why did Goodell spend over $5 million to take Brady to court when they had NO EVIDENCE of any Rule 17 violation?
    NFL attorney Pash was asked by Judge Berman “Does the NFL have any direct evidence to implicate Brady???
    Pash answered : “None your Honor.”
    Every denial by Manning and support of those denials by the NFL, ESPN, USA TODAY, FOX NEWS says what ???

    It says Goodell has a hidden agenda in attacking an innocent man.
    The winner of the SuperBowl has a profound effect upon the American people. The Corrupt Elites do not want the Positive message of FREEDOM & AMERICAN REVOLUTION represented by Brady & the Patriots going to the SB this year –
    Tom Brady was maliciously slandered and TARGETED for POLITICAL Reasons linked directly to the 2016 Presidential Election = Trump.
    Goodell & the NYC NFL should be investigated by the FBI

  108. daveydawg says: Jan 8, 2016 9:39 AM

    Nfl=wwf

  109. qbarrel says: Jan 8, 2016 9:41 AM

    Cunning Linguist says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:01 AM
    What possible legitimate reason could the League have for keeping PSI results secret? I challenge all the haters to give us an explanation, because the only explanation I can see for not disclosing the results is that the League KNOWS that their publication would completely undermine the League’s narrative that the Patriots cheated.

    ————————-

    Anyone who paid attention in high school science already knows that their narrative is BS. Publication of this data won’t change that. They could however change the perception that they lack integrity by publishing the data and issuing a mea culpa that they didn’t understand the basic physics involved and that they jumped the gun in leveling accusations against the Patriots.

  110. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:42 AM

    So why did Goodell spend over $5 million to take Brady to court when they had NO EVIDENCE of any Rule 17 violation?
    NFL attorney Pash was asked by Judge Berman “Does the NFL have any direct evidence to implicate Brady???
    Pash answered : “None your Honor.”
    Every denial by Manning and support of those denials by the NFL, ESPN, USA TODAY, FOX NEWS says what ???
    It says Goodell has a hidden agenda in attacking an innocent man.
    The winner of the SuperBowl has a profound effect upon the American people. The Corrupt Elites do not want the Positive message of FREEDOM & AMERICAN REVOLUTION represented by Brady & the Patriots going to the SB this year –
    Tom Brady was maliciously slandered and TARGETED for POLITICAL Reasons linked directly to the 2016 Presidential Election = Trump.
    Goodell & the NYC NFL should be investigated by the FBI

  111. ocgunslinger says: Jan 8, 2016 9:42 AM

    The main reason the NFL refuses to check the PSI is that if it is actually determined the PSI drop was due to natural laws and not someone deflating the footballs the Patriots would be justified in demanding their forfited draft picks be reinstated. Nope….can’t have that happen.

  112. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 9:43 AM

    weepingjebus says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:35 AM

    It all flows from the league’s obsession with parity. Their business model now demands that every team have a chance as long as possible, and every fan base have a belief they can win it all the next year. So any team that consistently outperforms the average even after being hampered by the resulting lower draft picks is going to get called onto the carpet. That the league was stupid enough to go after the SB MVP in particular based on facts a 9th grade science teacher could explain in 2 minutes just speaks to Goodell’s unique brand of incompetence.


    While true I think in this case it’s simpler than that.

    The league knows Brady prefers the footballs to be closer to 12.5 than 13.5.

    Brady mocked the Ravens last January with his “learn the rulebook” comment.

    The poor widdle Wavens and their widdle baby Harboo got their widdle feewings hurt by that meanie Tom Brady awwwww.😀

    So knowing Brady’s preference for the football they wanted their “revenge” by trying to catch Brady outside of the same rulebook and informing the Colts of a “problem” and the rest is history.

    They – and especially their coach – really are the biggest bunch of wussies.:) I did respect them but not anymore!😀:)

  113. qbarrel says: Jan 8, 2016 9:45 AM

    captainwhodat says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM
    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?

    ——————-

    Nah, only in hockey.

  114. sonhoodoo says: Jan 8, 2016 9:45 AM

    I would say that if they ever release the levels, it will be after the 2016 draft. If they release them before, they will surely be in favor of the Patriots in which case the NFL should remove the team punishment for the Pats.

  115. patriotsticketssince1978 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:47 AM

    Remember the text between Jastremski and his wife discussing the psi of the balls during the road game against the Jets? The text where he indicates the referee inflated balls to 16 lbs psi? The text where he indicates that the balls should have been 12.5 lbs psi?

    should have been 12.5 lbs

    A text ignored by Wells and the NFL that indicates where they set the balls for Tom Brady.

    They chose to focus on a text from Spring practice that didn’t mention a thing about what psi the balls should be set at. It was simply a text where McNally groused about being chastised when the balls were not properly prepared (at 12.5 psi).

  116. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 9:48 AM

    Brady didn’t do ANYTHING. He needs to get his good name back.

    —-
    Patriots: 12-4, AFC East champs again, and a first round bye.

    Patriots: 2 fumbles by RBs (32nd in NFL)

    Brady: Led the NFL in TD passes, TD/INT and close to the top in passing yards and passer rating.

    Patriots: 0 deliberately deflated footballs at any time
    :)

    #NumbersDontLie
    #FactsDontLie
    #StatsDontLie
    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth

  117. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 9:50 AM

    Cmon Patriot Hater let’s hear the excuses for the lack of fumbles.

    Step up to the plate wussies. Lets hear them!
    :)

  118. CannedHeat says: Jan 8, 2016 9:53 AM

    blspears says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:17 AM

    If thats big of a deal use nitrogen instead of air.

    _________________________________

    Or….the balls should be tested and adjusted after being outside for 30 minutes and right before game time, JUST LIKE IT IS DONE in PeeWee/Youth, High School, and college. No doctoring, no horseplay, no conspiracy theories.

    I worked 1 of the 3 playoff games we did and a state finals game in pretty damn cold temps and had to adjust all of them because of the “ideal gas laws”…the same reason most of you need to add air to your tires in winter when the temp dips.

    For God’s sake….almost a trillion dollar business and they still play Harry High School with the damn footballs.

  119. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 9:56 AM

    bencoates57 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:32 AM
    If the NFL reports that weather has a minimal effect on PSI levels, is anyone going to believe them? This had to be done by an independent entity NOT APPOINTED by the NFL.

    It’s been proven by independent entitys for over 300 years. All you can do is chuckle at the NFL thinking they need to confirm a proven fact and those others that also dont buy it.

  120. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 8, 2016 9:57 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck
    __________________________________________

    This is hilarious. Where do you store your truck – Mars? The Ideal Laws of Gas is real and is constant. No one believes your tires maintain pressure year round with little to no variation unless you live in Florida.

  121. plum54 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:58 AM

    How is the investigation coming regarding the Colts failure to put Lucks fractured ribs on the injury report ? Or the lack of investigation regarding Manning having a PED sent to his house?? Double standard because it doesn’t involve the super bowl champion Patriots.
    5th grade science proves there was no tampering.

  122. fwippel says: Jan 8, 2016 9:58 AM

    The league may have a tough time finding anyone willing to go out in that weather and do the measuring.

  123. crush22 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:00 AM

    Patsies*

  124. j0esixpack says: Jan 8, 2016 10:01 AM

    I’d chip in to pay for an ACTUAL INDEPENDENT testing

    If the NFL is in charge of the testing – and more importantly the release of the information – it cannot be believed.

    Quite simply there is NO way Roger Goodell would authorize the release of information that affirms that, YES, the Laws of Physics DO apply to the NFL

    As of now, when Goodell’s tire pressure drops on these cold days he’s prone to have ESPN issue a story blaming the Patriots

  125. neilpountney says: Jan 8, 2016 10:01 AM

    I would love Judge Berman to order the NFL release the “facts” and how they were gathered, who gathered them and what games they took the information. IE Complete disclosure. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to lose so why not?

  126. ricko1112 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:02 AM

    Oh, and those texts….
    __________________
    You mean 1, single text out of more than 10,000. One time the word “deflator” was used. Not only that, it was in a text from the month of May. The NFL season is over in May, but factman66 wouldn’t know that because he doesn’t follow the NFL. He’s too busy hiding in the basement with the other Flat Earthers and science deniers!

    How some people continue to make fools out of themselves, day after day, month after month! When you still believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, you have no credibility.

  127. artvan15 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:03 AM

    The appeals court needs to look no further than watching how the NFL handles things like this. They can see that the NFL is under handed, up to no good and cannot be trusted.

  128. romophobic says: Jan 8, 2016 10:03 AM

    What happened with the Patriots cannot be explained by the ideal gas law, no matter how smart people want to think they are by claiming it can. However, this amount of temperature difference can indeed deflate a football 1psi per the ideal gas law. However, what was always left out is that there was never a large enough temperature drop, nor can there ever be, within a 3 hour time frame that can drop a football, or a tire for example, 1psi. Maybe a fraction or so but never that much.

    The Ideal Gas law sounded smart and sciencey at first but logic says it does not apply to a football during a football game. Did the Patriots cheat? Who knows. The NFL Certainly didn’t prove it. But to keep using a scientific law that doesn’t apply is disingenuous at best.

  129. j0esixpack says: Jan 8, 2016 10:04 AM

    Isn’t it amazing that after spending 9 months, $5 million, not including taxpayer dollars filing and appealing suits in Federal Courts…

    After all of this – and all of this posturing by Goodell, the Colts, Cowboys, Ravens, etc – to something impacting the integrity of the game to such a degree that Goodell compares it to PED use…

    … that the NFL suddenly has ZERO interest in drawing attention to the fact that YES – temperature and weather DO lower PSI

    Amazing that so few in the media will admit that the Emperor wears no clothes – but then again, that’s what you expect when they are covering a $40 billion business entity they all want to profit from

  130. eddievortex says: Jan 8, 2016 10:06 AM

    qbarrel says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:41 AM

    Cunning Linguist says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:01 AM
    What possible legitimate reason could the League have for keeping PSI results secret? I challenge all the haters to give us an explanation, because the only explanation I can see for not disclosing the results is that the League KNOWS that their publication would completely undermine the League’s narrative that the Patriots cheated.

    ————————-

    Anyone who paid attention in high school science already knows that their narrative is BS. Publication of this data won’t change that. They could however change the perception that they lack integrity by publishing the data and issuing a mea culpa that they didn’t understand the basic physics involved and that they jumped the gun in leveling accusations against the Patriots.
    _________________________________

    I would pay big bucks to hear the NFL say that. But that probably won’t happen, so I guess my money stays in my pocket…

  131. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 10:07 AM

    Judge Berman saved the sport I love by exposing the rot and corruption inside the league. Ordering the records unsealed saved football from the corrupt NFL front office.

    And for that I am forever grateful. The man is a hero.

  132. doritodink14 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:09 AM

    @footballfanatic says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:47 AM
    Def test them, see #1 how much they drop (if its up to a full 2psi drop in any ball) and #2 test the range of the drop. ALl of the Colts balls finished within .5 psi of eachother (they were all in the same conditions), the pats balls had a range of 1.4 psi between the balls at halftime. If there is a drop, all balls should fall about the same amt and not have one drop .2 psi and another a full 2 psi- that just doesnt make sense. Either way, test them this game.
    ———————-
    The patriots were on the field for the last 7 minutes or so before the half ended, some balls were used more than others (some not at all and stayed in the bag and were warm and not wet, explaining why some were close to equilibrium and some almost 2 PSI under 12.5). The Colts balls were measured after the patriots and therefore had more time to warm up in the locker room (still 3 of 4 of them were under 12.5 hmmm no investigation??) So yes, it DOES make sense, use your brain.

  133. doritodink14 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:11 AM

    @TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:50 AM
    Cmon Patriot Hater let’s hear the excuses for the lack of fumbles.

    Step up to the plate wussies. Lets hear them!
    ————-
    Oh, its not about fumbles anymore since that theory has been disproven! Now it’s all about the drops!

  134. wk1234 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:13 AM

    scrotiemcb continues to mislead people by saying:

    “I mean, obviously the ideal gas law explains away all the texts about T*mmy and his interest in a lowly team employee with the mildly coincidental nickname “The Deflator”. Geez, talk about an incredibly unlucky confluence between a global conspiracy and a witty nickname for an obese assistant ball boy…”

    *************
    First of all, there are no such texts and second of all, McNally was not nicknamed “The Deflator.” His nickname is “Bird.” NO ONE, not a single person, called him “The Deflator.” That term came up in a joking text at a picnic 8 months before any of these stupid charges even came up. Haters have to lie to try and win their points…

  135. capnsarcastic88 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:18 AM

    It’s too bad that there isn’t already a neutral third party around, like say a television broadcaster covering the game, that could leave a football out and measure the air pressure with a gauge at the start of the game and at the end of every quarter and broadcast the results. But, hey, what do I know? I’m just some idiot leaving comments on a sports webpage and not an employee of a major multinational entertainment conglomerate or a multimillionaire commissioner of a major sports league.

  136. Patskrieg says: Jan 8, 2016 10:20 AM

    The NFL had no idea of the effects of temperature on the air pressure in a football… yet knew enough to tell the Vikings not to heat the balls on the sidelines.

  137. superpatriotsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 10:21 AM

    Why bother testing for PSI in Minnesota? The Patriots aren’t playing there.

  138. malab377 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:23 AM

    Patriots footballs are at 10.5 PSI?
    $1M fine, draft picks, 4 games to the GOAT…

    Seahawks footballs are at 9 PSI?
    Well… who cares!

    BUT! If they play in a bitterly cold temperature in Foxboro next week, they will probably test the PSI of every football after every single play!

    Because Foxboro is a mystical place where laws of nature don’t apply…!

  139. dragonfly99 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:25 AM

    Lower PSI might help small hands Teddy.

  140. skolpurp says: Jan 8, 2016 10:29 AM

    How can some of these posts actually have a thumb down? Can’t tell if they are a Ravens or a Colts fan.

    As a Vikings fan, I hope that they don’t check the footballs this weekend because knowing the NFL, they will screw something up and sure enough it will cost the Vikes a chance to win, not that they have much of one anyways.

  141. mogogo1 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:30 AM

    Mind-boggling that they STILL have no firm policies on any of this. Why wouldn’t the just test the footballs for every game? The officials would have a little sheet to record the readings. Done. Oh, and the NFL would be supplying the footballs. The practice of teams doing it dates back to when there really wasn’t any league authority and teams brought their own stuff so that the games could be played.

  142. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 10:30 AM

    no one on TV would ever agree to test the balls during a game,

    It will prove the the NFL lied and the Pats should get their pick & $ back and will prove the networks were in bed with the NFL. Neither can possibly crawl back from the limb they have put themselves on.

    If the data supported the NFL, we’d have heard about it already.

    If it supported claims of increase picks or fumbles, the Hateroids who were predicting that would be here crowing about it. Hellloooo, anyone home?

  143. rogerdw66 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:31 AM

    This Brady-apologist loves riding his dead ponies. Sorry counselor, the proof is there, the punishment will be forthcoming. Better late than never. PS Pat’s record when this reporter thought they would go undefeated, 10-0. Record after this Nostradamus like prediction, 2-4. Three of those losses coming from teams that did not make the play offs.

  144. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 10:34 AM

    capnsarcastic88 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:18 AM

    It’s too bad that there isn’t already a neutral third party around, like say a television broadcaster covering the game, that could leave a football out and measure the air pressure with a gauge at the start of the game and at the end of every quarter and broadcast the results. But, hey, what do I know? I’m just some idiot leaving comments on a sports webpage and not an employee of a major multinational entertainment conglomerate or a multimillionaire commissioner of a major sports league.

    ————

    I wanted the Patriots to make it public…take a measurement before a cold game….show the PSI on the jumbotron in front of 70,000 fans…then leave the football on the sidelines…have the jumbotron cut to it during the half from time to time showing it is not being tampered with… and then measure again at halftime showing the result and the PSI drop to 70,000 fans.

    Eat THAT NFL.:)

  145. packfant24 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:36 AM

    Sigh….I’m so old I remember when talking about pressure meant getting to the quarterback. Ah….the good old days.

  146. whywerule says: Jan 8, 2016 10:39 AM

    TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:07 AM
    Judge Berman saved the sport I love by exposing the rot and corruption inside the league. Ordering the records unsealed saved football from the corrupt NFL front office….

    Unfortunately as long as Goodell et al are still in charge, Judge Berman has not saved football. He helped expose Goodell and his minions as the corrupt liars that they are, but the owners (including Kraft) do not really care as long as they are making tens of millions.

  147. oiler1980 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:41 AM

    The NFL will not publish any findings until after the 2016 NFL Draft.

    That way the Pats 1st round pick will be long gone and for no apparent reason other than integrity of the game.

    Wow..

  148. eddievortex says: Jan 8, 2016 10:41 AM

    greenegggrillin says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:51 AM

    Why doesn’t whatever network is covering this game, do a test? One ball reading before the game, one at halftime. Mystery solved! Also would make for some interesting viewing if the games a blowout!
    _________________________________

    I’ll tell you why…Because any network that did that would feel the wrath of the NFL and would be taken off of the “consideration” list when TV Contract time arrives… BTW, just for snits and giggles I live in South Florida and we had a nice cooling spell this past week…Wednesday I went out to my car and started it up and lo and behold my PSI light was on for 3 out of four tires…Damn, Brady sure gets around! lol

  149. jag1959 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:42 AM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM
    The deflator, the lack of cooperation, the smashed cellphone, McNally taking the balls in an unsupervised restricted place…
    Also, it was unseasonably warm in that game, I want to say in the mid 50s.
    This whole thing is laughable.
    _______________

    Deflator: A one time reference texted 05/09/14 reproduced without context.

    Wells: “Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team — he was totally cooperative,”

    Wells: “Keep the phone we don’t need it”
    NO NFL PLAYER HAS EVER TURNED OVER HIS PHONE

    Multiple refs could not measure and adjust as needed 23 balls in their locker room during halftime but one fat guy in a bathroom without so much as a bench got them out of the ball bag, checked and adjusted 12, then got them back in the ball bag in 90 seconds?

    Game time temp 51, halftime 46 with wind and rain. Not exactly the same as a climate controlled locker room.

    Look at the bulk of the posts above nofactman’s and look at the percentage of posts supporting the league. Like a lot of the posters I am not a Pats fan and apparently like me more and more of them have now read everything publicly available. Only trolls, willful haters and headline readers are left in Goodell’s corner

  150. tylawspick6 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:43 AM

    Won’t say? What? More corruption out of the NFL front offices?

    Hey! Why is Gomer Manning playing after HGH was admitted to being shipped to his residence.

    Once Rodney Harrison admitted he took in a shipment for rehab, he received a 4 game suspension.

    Why does Goodell pick and choose? Can anyone in the media ask this turd this?

  151. mark4steelers says: Jan 8, 2016 10:45 AM

    psi hasn’t been tested all year…

  152. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 10:46 AM

    romophobic says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:03 AM
    What happened with the Patriots cannot be explained by the ideal gas law, no matter how smart people want to think they are by claiming it can. However, this amount of temperature difference can indeed deflate a football 1psi per the ideal gas law. However, what was always left out is that there was never a large enough temperature drop, nor can there ever be, within a 3 hour time frame that can drop a football, or a tire for example, 1psi. Maybe a fraction or so but never that much.

    The Ideal Gas law sounded smart and sciencey at first but logic says it does not apply to a football during a football game. Did the Patriots cheat? Who knows. The NFL Certainly didn’t prove it. But to keep using a scientific law that doesn’t apply is disingenuous at best.

    even the people paid to find the Pats guilty disagree with most of your post just so you know

  153. sueb45 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:46 AM

    dragonfly99 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:25 AM
    Lower PSI might help small hands Teddy.
    ————————-
    You have to wonder if having the correct psi in balls has hurt Aaron Rodgers this year. He said himself he has big hands and likes the balls over 13.5…..just wondering.

  154. sueb45 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:47 AM

    packfant24 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:36 AM
    Sigh….I’m so old I remember when talking about pressure meant getting to the quarterback. Ah….the good old days.
    —————-
    Best post of the day!

  155. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 10:47 AM

    romophobic says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:03 AM

    The Ideal Gas law sounded smart and sciencey at first but logic says it does not apply to a football during a football game. Did the Patriots cheat? Who knows. The NFL Certainly didn’t prove it. But to keep using a scientific law that doesn’t apply is disingenuous at best.

    As is pretending that the Ideal Gas Law doesn’t apply. Saying the earth is flat don’t necessarily make it so.

  156. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:48 AM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM

    Also, it was unseasonably warm in that game, I want to say in the mid 50s.
    This whole thing is laughable.

    —–

    making up your own facts again I see.

    copy/pasted from Wells report (including footnote 6):

    “The temperature at the time of the opening kickoff, at approximately 6:50 pm, was reported as 50.7°F, with winds between 10 and 15 miles per hour (mph). Temperatures dropped slightly to 49.3°F at 8:00 pm and then to 47.2°F at 9:00 pm. Halftime began shortly before 8:30 pm.
    According to telecast data of the game, precipitation was falling on the field at kickoff and was intermittent throughout the first half.”

    footnote 6: This data was recorded by the weather station located on top of the southern scoreboard at Gillette Stadium

    now, those temps were NOT recorded at field level. could have been warmer, could have been colder. and that doesn’t even account of wet balls. who knows what the temp of the rain was that was falling from the sky?

    of course, we all realize why you WANT to say the temp was in the mid 50s…..has nothing to do with facts though

  157. sansbushman says: Jan 8, 2016 10:52 AM

    In steady atmospheric pressure of 14.7 psi environment,
    a ball inflated to 12.5 psi at 72F indoor temperature will contract to

    @50F $11.37 psi
    @40F 10.86 psi
    @30F 10.35 psi
    @20F 9.83 psi
    @10F 9.23 psi
    @0 F 8.8 psi

    a ball inflated to 13.5 psi at 72F indoor temperature will contract to

    @50F 12.33 psi
    @40F 11.80 psi
    @30F 11.27 psi
    @20F 10.74 psi
    @10F 10.21 psi
    @0 F 9.68 psi

    In the Colts/Patriots game, the outdoor temperature was 50F. Therefore, all balls (from 12.5psi to 13.5psi) would have been below the limit of 12.5psi.

  158. greggallmansliver says: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck

    ____________________________________

    First put air in your tires and then take the truck off the jacks in your front lawn redneck.
    p.s “hasn’t been denied”???? Billy Bob down at the fillin’ station should not be your only source of information

  159. hehateme2 says: Jan 8, 2016 10:59 AM

    Better test before the next Cheatriot* game. Brady couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn down in Miami… for the 3rd year running.

  160. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 11:00 AM

    jag1959 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:42 AM

    Deflator: A one time reference texted 05/09/14 reproduced without context.”

    And he was also talking about needles. Context??? What more context do you need? These guys are balls boys talking about ball prep in nearly all of their texts! LOL!!

  161. sueb45 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM

    romophobic says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:03 AM
    What happened with the Patriots cannot be explained by the ideal gas law, no matter how smart people want to think they are by claiming it can. However, this amount of temperature difference can indeed deflate a football 1psi per the ideal gas law. However, what was always left out is that there was never a large enough temperature drop, nor can there ever be, within a 3 hour time frame that can drop a football, or a tire for example, 1psi. Maybe a fraction or so but never that much.

    The Ideal Gas law sounded smart and sciencey at first but logic says it does not apply to a football during a football game. Did the Patriots cheat? Who knows. The NFL Certainly didn’t prove it. But to keep using a scientific law that doesn’t apply is disingenuous at best.
    ————————
    Except for the fact that you’re wrong in your assessment…good try. Your tires will indeed lose air, not noticibly in 3 hours; but, certainly overnight….but the rubber insulates the air inside much more than the leather and thin membrane of the football. There was a 30 degree drop between the inside temps where the balls were filled and the outside air…..and you conveniently for get the rain which your rubber tires are impervious to; but, effects the football greatly; not to mention the atmospheric pressure drop that must be taken into account when you apply the IGL. It’s why every physicist who has publicly commented on this have agreed that the balls should have deflated. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, at first disagreed but recanted his statement when he realized that he had forgotten to apply atmospheric pressure to the equation….of course, you still have pseudo-scientist Bill Nye on your side….for what that’s worth.

  162. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM

    Measure them back in the warm locker room like last yrs AFCCG, and they should be near 12.5PSI. They should all be fairly consistent in pressure, unlike the pats’ footballs which were all over the place.

  163. chikachikayeaboiz says: Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM

    The Patriots have never cheated. The NFL frames them and is lying to cover it up.

  164. davemc617 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:07 AM

    “Why are they afraid of the PSI results? If they know they are right, they should be 100% confident that the PSI readings will back them up.”

    Because they’ve, without a doubt (due to centuries of continued experimentation), already reached the conclusion, based on their unreleased PSI measurements, that no illegal tampering occured.

    By releasing data that indicates that there was no illegal tampering, they concede that their process, which saw their league’s greatest player dragged through the mud for almost a full calendar year, ending with a 4 game suspension, is highly flawed.

    In doing so, they open up a whole can of worms which leads to the national media openly criticizing, not only the power of the comissioner, but also the relationship between owners and players. They’d much rather just get embarrassed in court again, while holding on to the vain hope that they can retain the authority they already wield over the players.

  165. jrossizzle says: Jan 8, 2016 11:09 AM

    I really really really believe those text messages were about a weight loss plan.

    Patriot Fan Boys

  166. doritodink14 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:11 AM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck
    —————-
    “Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame.” WHAT? Just cover your ears and scream because you dont understand science?

  167. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 11:12 AM

    sueb45 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM
    of course, you still have pseudo-scientist Bill Nye on your side….for what that’s worth.”

    LOL. Pats fans.

  168. sidepull says: Jan 8, 2016 11:15 AM

    Random means, when the Patriots play. Or, when the lying,sniveling sore loser Colts or Ravens come calling the NFL about the GOAT Pats. Everybody knows it a sham.

  169. j0esixpack says: Jan 8, 2016 11:17 AM

    hehateme2 says: Better test before the next Cheatriot* game. Brady couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn down in Miami… for the 3rd year running.
    =========================

    So we’re now pinning our hopes of “proving” Brady cheated because of a game where he had no OL, no receivers, and a high ankle sprain?

    You haters don’t dissapoint

    Why don’t you go back to “LOOK! Brady had the lowest fumble rate in the NFL in 2014!”

    Funny how that was the “proof” cited by so many last year

    Guess what the Patriots fumble rate was in 2015 with the NFL making sure all footballs were within specs (at least to start the game before the cold set in)

    Lowest in the league. Again.

  170. fanofschill says: Jan 8, 2016 11:21 AM

    These “tests” are meaningless unless both teams have a representative present. If it’s just the officials and a NFL rep from NYC can anyone really trust the numbers?

  171. veddermn8 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:22 AM

    “Commissioner Roger Goodell suggested that the program was less about science”

    Of course it was, the whole program is savagely flawed from a scientific standpoint. The ONLY way to get a true measurement is to have the referees measure the pregame footballs OUTSIDE. Trucking them in and out of a heated lockerroom adds too many variable to accurately get a measurement unless you have people chasing the refs with stopwatches and precision thermometers. It is such an obvious solution that would have helped the Pats last year and will solve any issue in this cold weather game. Inflate the balls pregame to the right PSI on the sideline not inside!

  172. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:23 AM

    The Patriots have never cheated
    ****
    Except for the fact that they were caught twice in the last 7 years m

  173. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:23 AM

    sansbushman says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:52 AM
    “In the Colts/Patriots game, the outdoor temperature was 50F. Therefore, all balls (from 12.5psi to 13.5psi) would have been below the limit of 12.5psi.”
    ==============================

    Factually, the Temperature at half time was 46 degrees with Rain and Wind.

    The Cold Rain and Wind Chill factor lowered the PSI even more.

  174. veddermn8 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:26 AM

    “dbarnes67 says: Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck”

    ___________

    “Little to no variation” …How do you know this? Do you test them every day while recording the temperature and the time exposed? Leave the science to the scientist. The ideal gas law says the Pats footballs last year in those conditions should have been between 11.2 and 11.5. Wells reported the Pats footballs averaging a PSI of 11.3, perfectly in line with the expected drop and giving clear proof nothing happened. Try again, Sir Issac!

  175. boido says: Jan 8, 2016 11:27 AM

    People who keep saying that testing isn’t necessary because science already tells us what the PSI will be I think might be short sighted.

    Science tells us what the PSI will be if the only factor is the temperature. What about when we introduce outside factors such as…

    1. The ball being carried close to a body

    2. The ball being placed on a heated field

    3. The friction caused by a tackle or strip

    How much of a difference would these make, I don’t know, that’s why testing is done.

    Having said that, the NFL should absolutely share the data.

  176. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:27 AM

    The NE tears are flowing.
    #crybabies

  177. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:30 AM

    “Science explains the deflator was on a diet.”
    -Pats fans

  178. veddermn8 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:31 AM

    factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 9:18 AM

    The deflator, the lack of cooperation, the smashed cellphone, McNally taking the balls in an unsupervised restricted place…
    Also, it was unseasonably warm in that game, I want to say in the mid 50s.
    This whole thing is laughable.
    ________________

    You’re right it is laughable. Game was not in “the mid 50’s” as you say. It was wet and the temp ranged from low 40’s to around 50. Smashed cell phone was irrelevant, Brady handed over all cell data and went even further providing emails as well so that point is obliterated as well. And league admitted it knew nothing of the ideal gas law which has the Pats footballs expected to be at 11.2 to 11.5 PSI and in actuality they averaged at 11.3, perfectly acceptable. Case closed. Getcha facts together.

  179. pauldeba says: Jan 8, 2016 11:32 AM

    “They should all be fairly consistent in pressure, unlike the pats’ footballs which were all over the place.”

    Oh really, what about the ones inflated by the ref pre-game? what about the wet ones? what about the ones that were in the room longer than the others? yeah “all over the place” compared to some guesstimate startings point

  180. thefourth84 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:33 AM

    “Making a Deflator” – Netflix 2017

  181. beastmode5150 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:33 AM

    QB hand size WAS tested

    Russel Wilson 10 1/4″

    Teddy Bridgewater 9 1/4″

  182. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 11:33 AM

    “boido says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:27 AM
    People who keep saying that testing isn’t necessary because science already tells us what the PSI will be I think might be short sighted.

    Science tells us what the PSI will be if the only factor is the temperature. What about when we introduce outside factors such as…

    1. The ball being carried close to a body

    2. The ball being placed on a heated field

    3. The friction caused by a tackle or strip

    How much of a difference would these make, I don’t know, that’s why testing is done.

    Having said that, the NFL should absolutely share the data.”

    Good points, but you missed the most crucial. How long the officials wait in the locker room before starting measurements, plus the overall temp of the stadium and how long it takes for the balls to be transported through the heated stadium to the locker room. The balls very likely have alot of time to warm up.

  183. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:34 AM

    Brady will always been know as a lying fraud. No amount of thumbs down or hastags will ever matter.

  184. ricko1112 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:38 AM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM
    Measure them back in the warm locker room like last yrs AFCCG, and they should be near 12.5PSI. They should all be fairly consistent in pressure, unlike the pats’ footballs which were all over the place.
    _________________________________
    You haven’t been paying attention these last few months have you?

    This is why there are still a dozen or people who still believe NE cheated. No one knows to what pressure the refs inflated the footballs before the game. Walt Coleman didn’t record the levels. Also, the Colts’ balls were too low, as well. 4 of the Colts’ balls were tested and 3 were too low. Hardly consistent.

    The refs simply stick a needle in the balls and inflate until they think they’re full. There is no consistency to begin with.

  185. mrkbuilders says: Jan 8, 2016 11:40 AM

    If I was BB, I would have 3 footballs on a table next to one end zone and there would be a highway-type information sign behind them with the PSI of all 3. That way we can all watch as they trickle down from 12.5. Two of the footballs would be reset to 12.5 at halftime and the 3rd remain untouched.

    At the end of the game, when the readings are around 9.4, 10.6 & 10.7 we would all know definitively what’s up here. To be honest, I’m not sure why he hasn’t done it already…obviously it goes against his mantra that we’re “moving on to the next week”.

    Goddell, and more importantly the other owners who want to take New England down, would have their hands tied about having this scientific test removed. I would do it for every single game, preseason & post season included. At the end of the day, temperatures and pressures in Minnesota, Seattle or Arizona are completely irrelevant to New England.

    This would unquestionable determine fault either on the team or the league and then by season’s end, this would be over forever. If most to all of the harsh weather balls remain close to 12.5, I say suspend Brady for the year, fine the team, 1st rd pick, etc. If most of the harsh weather balls drop as ALL scientists claim they will, I say fire Goddell for corruptness, reinstate all penalties and picks, issue a public apology and move on!

  186. factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:40 AM

    Smashed cellphone is irrelevant?
    OK, then so are psi levels because I said so.

  187. ricko1112 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:41 AM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:34 AM
    Brady will always been know as a lying fraud. No amount of thumbs down or hastags will ever matter.
    ___________________________________
    Change the name “Brady” to “factman66” and you’ll be correct for the very first time!

  188. RE LEE says: Jan 8, 2016 11:42 AM

    Just tell Goodell to take an ice bath and see what happens to the balls he owns.

  189. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 11:47 AM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM
    Measure them back in the warm locker room like last yrs AFCCG, and they should be near 12.5PSI. They should all be fairly consistent in pressure, unlike the pats’ footballs which were all over the place.

    After the sting team stuck needles in them to get them to read what they wanted. Sure, that happened.

  190. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 11:48 AM

    ricko1112 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:38 AM
    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM

    The refs simply stick a needle in the balls and inflate until they think they’re full. There is no consistency to begin with.”

    WRONG. They used a gauge to fill them to what the ball boys request but ensure they are within regulation. That is widely known and not disputed. The only issue is that the values were not recorded individually.

  191. patswinagain says: Jan 8, 2016 11:48 AM

    First of all. All balls should be filled to regulation out on the field after having spent an hour in the elements. Secondly: all balls should be tested and tested outside on the field before going into the locker room. Inside is not a wise place to have the balls. Period. They can be protected from the extreme elements and still be housed outside in those elements.

  192. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 11:53 AM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:48 AM
    ricko1112 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:38 AM
    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:01 AM

    The refs simply stick a needle in the balls and inflate until they think they’re full. There is no consistency to begin with.”

    WRONG. They used a gauge to fill them to what the ball boys request but ensure they are within regulation. That is widely known and not disputed. The only issue is that the values were not recorded individually.

    Widely know by who? The refs testimony alone cast enough doubt that this would have been thrown out of any court.

  193. cjmullysr says: Jan 8, 2016 11:53 AM

    Patriots once again led the league in fewest fumbles. Apparently the smoking gun evidence was not really not smoking gun evidence. If you fumble you sit on the bench for a considerable amount of time or you get cut, thus they fumble less than others.

  194. sonhoodoo says: Jan 8, 2016 11:54 AM

    TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:34 AM

    capnsarcastic88 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 10:18 AM

    It’s too bad that there isn’t already a neutral third party around, like say a television broadcaster covering the game, that could leave a football out and measure the air pressure with a gauge at the start of the game and at the end of every quarter and broadcast the results. But, hey, what do I know? I’m just some idiot leaving comments on a sports webpage and not an employee of a major multinational entertainment conglomerate or a multimillionaire commissioner of a major sports league.

    ————

    I wanted the Patriots to make it public…take a measurement before a cold game….show the PSI on the jumbotron in front of 70,000 fans…then leave the football on the sidelines…have the jumbotron cut to it during the half from time to time showing it is not being tampered with… and then measure again at halftime showing the result and the PSI drop to 70,000 fans.

    Eat THAT NFL.
    ————————-

    Yes! They should make it one of those halftime Jumbortron quizzes where the fans are given 4 choices and guess what the psi measurement was.

  195. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 11:54 AM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:40 AM
    Smashed cellphone is irrelevant?
    OK, then so are psi levels because I said so.

    So we’re skipping over the part where Brady was told they had what they needed?

  196. whyalwaysthehate says: Jan 8, 2016 11:55 AM

    why not put chips in the balls that constantly measure psi and transmit continually. then we can see the live psi levels right on the TV screen throughout the games. they could light them up green, yellow , red to keep us on the edge of our seats as the weather changes. even more intrigue indoors where teams can work it right to the edge. vegas can provide over under on psi violations for each game. fantasy points can be taken away from QBs who’s psi drop to red levels. espn can have the big board of all games psi levels and have mort make second half predictions. let’s go! this can be a winner.

  197. throwingstones20 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:55 AM

    Number all the balls test them before the game and record the pressure test them at halftime and record the pressure. I will guarantee the balls will appear to be deflated but the balls tested first will be more deflated than the balls tested last.

  198. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 11:57 AM

    There are pressure gauges that can be left in the balls and will transmit PSI to a mobile phone. It would be the easiest thing on earth to prove this one way or the other. I wonder why the NFL is reluctant to do this? Painted themselves into a corner it seems.

  199. Marshawn Lunch says: Jan 8, 2016 12:00 PM

    The worst part is: Now you can’t have a conversation about this aspect of the rules because the NFL fouled it all up and no one will ever drop the deflategate nonsense.

    Competition Committee needs to institute a rule that has all footballs provided by a neutral 3rd party that are tested at field temperatures before, during, and after the game. If the rule is that PSI should be at a minimum of 12.5 then that is what they should get. That kind of football will cause all sorts of fumbles and the NFL will lower the minimum psi.

  200. RE LEE says: Jan 8, 2016 12:00 PM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:27 AM
    The NE tears are flowing.
    #crybabies
    —————————————————
    Toots… Why will we cry? We won a lot of SBs and even Goodell lost to Brady. You on the other hand is so obsessed with the Patriots. You’ll go back under the rocks once the football season is over and suck your thumb like a baby. You will shrink in the darkness till the Patriots is on the news again to give you life. Sad…sad… existence for you haters.
    We NE fans are ” smug” just what you guys say. Why? Because we know for sure that no QB at present or the near future will surpass Brady. Brady more than likely will get another SB win and that makes you haters so agitated beyond reason. Drives you bonkers. 😹

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  201. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:00 PM

    Dear Science Deniers,

    When planning your game day festivities, pick up a team logo’d helium balloon. Assuming you live in a cold weather area, tie it to something outside after having it in the house for an hour. About 30 minutes later it will all become clear.

    This is your science project and it’s due on Monday. No excuses. If you don’t, then we know that you know you’re full of it and you’re just a troll.

  202. jrossizzle says: Jan 8, 2016 12:00 PM

    Widdle Tammy has trouble completing passes in the cowold dis year
    My Pats have fallen to 2-4 in the cowold

    Maybe dem texts were about footballs

    Wahhhhhhaaaaaaaa

  203. doggeatdogg says: Jan 8, 2016 12:01 PM

    The don’t have to unless they suspect someone is tampering with the balls. It should be one PSI setting and let the elements, whatever they might be, work on the balls. If a human manipulates the PSI then that’s cheating.

  204. fanofschill says: Jan 8, 2016 12:01 PM

    Based on the comments over the past 11 months you would think this would be a travesty that a game could be played with a ball less then 12.5 PSI?

    Where is the uproar from the football community that games could be played with less then 12.5 PSI?????

    What disgrace!

  205. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:02 PM

    Perhaps the reason we’re not hearing about PSI from TV types is that the league already knows they are wrong and have given the talking heads their marching orders to zip the lips.

  206. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:05 PM

    Actually this is easy to solve,

    Fill all the balls with foam. That way they stay the same from start to finish no matter what the weather. Why does it have to be filled with air?

    There, I fixed it.

  207. kenmasters34 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:09 PM

    Good lord, its unbelievable that this is still an issue. The NFL and people who believe that the weather doesn’t affect PSI look like fools. The NFL paid millions to disprove science and apparently it worked for all the haters.

    You can go look on youtube to see a bunch of tests that show the PSI drops naturally due to cold weather.

    You could do it yourself, the NFL didnt use anything fancy, they just used a cheapo Wilson Air pressure gauge.

  208. jrossizzle says: Jan 8, 2016 12:12 PM

    Dear Logic Deniers,

    The Deflator was talking about footballs not a weight loss plan

    Regards,
    Anyone not in NE

  209. lemmetalkwouldya says: Jan 8, 2016 12:15 PM

    If Roger Gooddell truly had even one ounce of “integrity” for “the game”, he would insist that ALL of the balls enter the game at exactly the same inflation, be checked at the end of the first half, and again at the end of the game.

    This is the perfect opportunity to put the “Ideal Gas Law” to the test.

    If Gooddell truly cares about the “integrity of the game”, he will insist on this.

    If he doesn’t, then it was all about railroading Tom Brady and the Patriots.

  210. ricko1112 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:15 PM

    The refs simply stick a needle in the balls and inflate until they think they’re full. There is no consistency to begin with.”

    WRONG. They used a gauge to fill them to what the ball boys request but ensure they are within regulation. That is widely known and not disputed. The only issue is that the values were not recorded individually.
    _______________________
    In a game against the Jets that season, the refs inflated the NE footballs to over 16psi. That is a widely known fact. As others have also mentioned, no one, including NE, knew at what pressure the balls began at.

  211. smasonsmith says: Jan 8, 2016 12:17 PM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?
    ===
    Basketball is played indoors and soccer has about an 8 PSI window in which the ball is legal.

    So no: it’s not a problem because those sports either don’t have to deal with temp-induced pressure changes or the rules are lax enough that it basically doesn’t matter.

  212. ateeezzz says: Jan 8, 2016 12:25 PM

    This is off the subject, but doesn’t it seem appropriate for the half time entertainment band at the Superbowl to be appearing in Minnesota this week-end?
    (Somehow, Coldplay fits the scenario.)

  213. smasonsmith says: Jan 8, 2016 12:25 PM

    Smashed cellphone is irrelevant?
    OK, then so are psi levels because I said so.
    ===
    Then there’s no there there.

  214. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:26 PM

    doggeatdogg says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:01 PM
    The don’t have to unless they suspect someone is tampering with the balls. It should be one PSI setting and let the elements, whatever they might be, work on the balls. If a human manipulates the PSI then that’s cheating.

    Agreed, if that’s the case why didn’t the NFL fine or suspend Minn or Carolina when they were heating balls? Why? Why did it become the biggest crime since the Lindbergh baby only when it involved the Patriots even though they caught MN & Carolina RED HANDED and only have circumstantial evidence with NE?

    Why?

  215. dejc421 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:28 PM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM

    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck
    ___________
    Seriously? Your asked the tires on your truck? …If that’s the case then your the only one on the planet the Ideal Gas law doesn’t affect.
    Your right … I checked out the Ideal Gas Law and it cites these stupid scientists, universities, and uses all these lame scientific formulas. Maybe you need to send your truck and tires to Cal Tech or MIT and put these Ideal Gas Law idiots in their place.

  216. patsfiend says: Jan 8, 2016 12:30 PM

    So this whole stupid thing was launched in a conference championship game… in January last year, but they are “done randomly testing” now that the regular season has ended? Makes a ton of sense.

    Hopefully they are testing PSI before EVERY playoff game, since it’s such an affront to the integrity of the game. I await the results of the whole study, along with every other Pats fan.

    We saw the affect in last year’s Super Bowl, where Brady led the greatest 4th quarter comeback in history with the most hyper-analyzed balls ever.

    We’ve already seen the affect on Brady’s performance (he played at an MVP level until the o-line imploded recently.)

    We’ve seen the affect on the fumbles (Pats tops in the league again.)

    C’mon… release those PSI results you flaming hypocrites. And while you’re at it, let’s kick off the big Peyton Manning investigation since you’ve already tied PED use to Deflategate as well.

    Go Pats!

  217. gisellichek says: Jan 8, 2016 12:31 PM

    There is no doubt in my mind that the league railroaded the Patriots last year… Bob Kraft was forced to take a punishment undeserved to appease some pissed off owners.

    The league has to be careful it doesn’t shoot off its foot again and let the science expose the toilet paper that was the wells report…

    Honestly… how can any of them look Bob & Jonathan Kraft in the eye after all this. What a sham.

  218. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:33 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:17 PM
    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?

    The basketball court was about a mile from my house. I would dribble the ball there & back. On cold days I had to pump up the ball by the time I got there since it wouldn’t bounce like a properly inflated ball would.

    Any outdoor player in cold weather knows this.

  219. veddermn8 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:33 PM

    factman66 says: Jan 8, 2016 11:40 AM

    Smashed cellphone is irrelevant?
    OK, then so are psi levels because I said so.
    ____________

    Yup, because Wells said he did not need it. And since it was not a work phone and the NFL is not a police department, they have ZERO right to it. But Brady was a good sport and provided all of the cell data they needed and went even further above and beyond and provided emails as well. Which the Goodell’s office promptly leaked to the media (why do we know what pool cover Tom wanted?) because they are scumbags and cementing Tom’s correct instinct not to give them his phone because they would have leaked that too. Why did the league lie so much if their case was so strong? Why did Brady go under oath voluntarily? Why did Goodell lie in his appeal decision? Why, if the ideal gas law predicted the Pats balls should be in the 11.2 to 11.5 range (and in actuality they average 11.3, perfectly acceptable), does the NFL continue to push this?

  220. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 8, 2016 12:37 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:25 PM
    Smashed cellphone is irrelevant?
    OK, then so are psi levels because I said so.

    Love this “smashed” cell phone meme.

    Did you see the phone? How do you know it wa “smashed”?

    Like the NFL, Hateroids make up stuff to suit their narrative. Start with a conclusion, make up facts to fit the lie.

  221. TheWizard says: Jan 8, 2016 12:46 PM

    Brady demonstrated in the 2nd half of the Championship Game how much it affected him.

    What a crock of all of that was.

  222. mmack66 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:48 PM

    captainwhodat says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?
    ————————

    Basketball? Not unless they play outside in winter.

    Soccer? Yes, if they play when it is cold.

    In a cold environment, it is going to affect anything that is filled with air.

  223. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:54 PM

    Goodell told Judge Berman that the loss of 0.5 psi was so advantageous to Brady that it was equivalent to PED use.

    So where is Goodel’s INTEGRITY of the Game, ESPN, USA TODAY, Fox News and all the haters now that it is a FACT that HGH was sent to Peyton Manning’s home !!!

    Where is the official prime time televised announcement of a $5 million dollar “Independent” investigation of PED Manning?

    Oh Yeah, his wife used it – sure she did!

  224. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 12:54 PM

    “ricko1112 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:15 PM
    The refs simply stick a needle in the balls and inflate until they think they’re full. There is no consistency to begin with.”

    WRONG. They used a gauge to fill them to what the ball boys request but ensure they are within regulation. That is widely known and not disputed. The only issue is that the values were not recorded individually.
    _______________________
    In a game against the Jets that season, the refs inflated the NE footballs to over 16psi. That is a widely known fact. As others have also mentioned, no one, including NE, knew at what pressure the balls began at.”

    WRONG AGAIN! It’s on record, and not disputed, that the pats’ footballs were filled to 12.5psi by the pats’ ballboys (who used their own gauge to measure), and confirmed by the official. The officials just didn’t write down the EXACT PSI of EACH ball.

  225. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 12:55 PM

    Look. Why argue about all this. Outside of New England, the Pats will always be regarded as cheaters, and will not be regarded as such within New England. You can argue about it all day long but it won’t change. It’s Pats Fans vs the USA.

  226. jag1959 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:56 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:48 AM
    WRONG. They used a gauge to fill them to what the ball boys request but ensure they are within regulation. That is widely known and not disputed. The only issue is that the values were not recorded individually.
    _________________

    Speaking of wrong. The officials test the balls pregame only for compliance, if they are out then they are adjusted to be in. It has nothing to do with “what the ballboys request.” McNally had standing instructions to present the officiating crew with the rules on inflation levels after the 16 psi fiasco in the Jets game. Page 3 of the Well$ report:

    “During the pre-game inspection, Anderson determined that all but two of the Patriots game balls delivered by McNally were properly inflated. Most of them measured 12.5 psi. Two tested below 12.5 psi and Anderson directed another game official to further inflate those two game balls, which Anderson then adjusted to 12.5 psi using a pressure gauge. Most of the Colts game balls tested by Anderson prior to the game measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Although one or two footballs may have registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, it was evident to Anderson that the Colts “inflation target for the game balls was 13.0 psi. No air was added to or released from the Colts game balls pre-game because they were all within the permissible range.”

    And yet 3 of the 4 Colts balls were also deflated

  227. solo681 says: Jan 8, 2016 12:59 PM

    mmack66 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:48 PM

    captainwhodat says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?
    ————————

    Basketball? Not unless they play outside in winter.

    Soccer? Yes, if they play when it is cold.

    In a cold environment, it is going to affect anything that is filled with air.
    ============================

    “Hockey is played on ice, yet there has never been a controversy on psi with hockey pucks, and the Refs never measure them” – Ted Well$

    “Never mind, I just realized that hockey pucks are hit with a stick and not thrown through the air so they would not need to be measured” – Rodger Goodel

  228. tb12bestqbevah says: Jan 8, 2016 1:03 PM

    Where are the haters? Where are you guys?

    Remember when you all became PhD’s in statistical analysis last year over fumble rates for the Pats?

    Guess who had the best fumble rate, by far, AGAIN this year? With the most scrutinized footballs in NFL history.

    That’s right, your SuperBowl Champion New England Patriots.

    Thus endeth the lesson.

  229. dejc421 says: Jan 8, 2016 1:04 PM

    patsfiend says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:30 PM

    So this whole stupid thing was launched in a conference championship game… in January last year, but they are “done randomly testing” now that the regular season has ended? Makes a ton of sense.

    Hopefully they are testing PSI before EVERY playoff game, since it’s such an affront to the integrity of the game. I await the results of the whole study, along with every other Pats fan. ….
    __________________
    well said …

    is there any doubt that the Pats have been testing PSI on their own throughout the season and already know that this whole thing is BS.

  230. megnailsit says: Jan 8, 2016 1:09 PM

    jrossizzle: Except it was only cowold in one of those losses.

  231. taintedsaints2009 says: Jan 8, 2016 1:15 PM

    Tire pressure goes down in cold. You don’t think that happens with a football?

  232. RE LEE says: Jan 8, 2016 1:19 PM

    Brady’s PSI vs Peyton’s HGH. Both started as rumors. Goodell equate PSI to HGH in his treatment of Brady. Why is Goodell mum now and the media too.
    Brady’s diet garnered more writings from the media than HGH. But like what Brady said… We are Patriots. Everything is a big deal.

  233. bushwoodcc says: Jan 8, 2016 1:25 PM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:14 AM
    Bring on the crying weenies. Its been over a year and the whining continues. Tampering happened, it hasn’t been denied. Your IDEAL GAS law defense is really lame. Ask the tires on my truck, the ones that maintain pressure year around with little to no variation. Pat fans suck
    ______________________________________

    Tampering has been denied REPEATEDLY and even under oath. And yes, scientific evidence is lame when it doesn’t support the lies that you wanted to be true. Lastly, be honest…calling your Big-Wheel a truck doesn’t make it one and those tires don’t deflate because they are plastic.

  234. bushwoodcc says: Jan 8, 2016 1:29 PM

    captainwhodat says:
    Jan 8, 2016 9:07 AM

    PSI levels…who knew? Just wondering out aloud: is this a problem in basketball and soccer?
    __________________________________________

    You do know that basketball is played indoors, correct?

    And that outdoor soccer usually isn’t played in winter?

  235. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 8, 2016 1:38 PM

    jrossizzle says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:00 PM
    Widdle Tammy has trouble completing passes in the cowold dis year
    My Pats have fallen to 2-4 in the cowold
    ————————-

    Pats have had one loss in a game with a kickoff temp below 40. At Denver (21) no INTs 99.3 rating in light snow. Pats fans have no problem producing actual facts to refute BS, hateroids not so much

  236. mmack66 says: Jan 8, 2016 1:49 PM

    taintedsaints2009 says:
    Jan 8, 2016 1:15 PM

    Tire pressure goes down in cold. You don’t think that happens with a football?
    ——————–

    Incredibly, some people don’t think that it does.

    They must live in areas where it is warm all of the time, or where they don’t teach science.

  237. matchframebill says: Jan 8, 2016 2:08 PM

    It’s really very simple. You can bet that the NFL does have conclusive evidence that psi levels do drop below the legal limit in cold weather games. You know why? Because they haven’t released any of the data.

    Honestly, how many “leaks” to ESPN do you think there would have been if the data supported the Wells report?

  238. dudeicle says: Jan 8, 2016 2:19 PM

    Maybe NBC could pump up a few balls before the warmups…. put them outside until halftime…. maybe show the viewers the results…

  239. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 2:19 PM

    it’s funny to picture Roger and whoever else is involved faces when they see the results of this random testing

    “HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO THE FOOTBALLS????”

  240. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 8, 2016 2:19 PM

    it’s funny to picture Roger and whoever else is involved faces when they see the results of this random testing

    “HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO THE FOOTBALLS????”

  241. db105 says: Jan 8, 2016 2:33 PM

    Obviously the NFL doesn’t believe the science behind the psi levels of footballs if they continue to take the psi readings indoors at room temperature. It would be wiser to measure the psi on the field under game conditions to get a more accurate reading. Another factor the NFL disregarded is amount of time the footballs have to reach equilibrium.

  242. daytontriangles says: Jan 8, 2016 3:05 PM

    We already know the results of the random testing.

    The fact that the NFL is refusing to publish the results means that the data backed up the proven science and that no tampering occurred.

    If the new data had even remotely synched with the false narrative Goodell has been trying to push, it would have been leaked via ESPN faster than poop through a goose.

  243. rootpain says: Jan 8, 2016 3:18 PM

    rootpain says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:10 PM
    I’m in the group that is disappointed that none of today’s professional bloggers and/or color commentators have taken the initiative to have football pressure levels measured during a cold weather outdoor game.
    To me that just shows that there isn’t a single network, news outlet, color commentator or professional blogger that believes in the integrity of the NFL. If they did, they wouldn’t be afraid of repercussions and would conduct or otherwise push for the independent tests.
    This is pretty serious and just shows the control that Goodell the Narcissist has over the game.
    The results are not just related to Brady and the Patriots. Many of the NFL rules are copied, if not verbatim, then substantially in other leagues and sports elsewhere. So, many would benefit by knowing what, if any, impact the cold temperature would have on what the NFL appears to consider a significant variable.
    I kinda thought that Florio might be one of those willing to lead the charge to break the impasse. But so far, I have been wrong about that.

  244. mmack66 says: Jan 8, 2016 3:41 PM

    The problem is that Kensil keeps “weighing” the footballs, and they all keep “weighing” the same, no matter what the temperature is.

  245. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 3:49 PM

    A season after deflate gate, pats lead the league (tied with oakland) in dropped passes, according to fox sports

  246. thechickenexpress says: Jan 8, 2016 3:54 PM

    Since the air pressure in footballs has an unquantifiable but oh-so-obvious effect on the integrity of an NFL game, Roger Goodell should go out and by himself a bike pump, an air pressure gauge, and the best gloves $44 million a year can buy, and then stand on the sidelines, measure the PSI of every ball after every play, and pump away as needed.

    Just keep telling yourself it’s about the purity of competition, Roger.

  247. mmack66 says: Jan 8, 2016 4:00 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 3:49 PM

    A season after deflate gate, pats lead the league (tied with oakland) in dropped passes, according to fox sports
    ————————–

    Where were they the season of or before *Framegate?

    That’s the sort of information people need to know before any rational conclusions can be made.

  248. fanofschill says: Jan 8, 2016 4:06 PM

    Every morning I wake up in the winter, get in my car the Tire pressure gauge tells me I have low tires. Get in my car at lunch and boom! No longer a issue!

    Hmm, I wonder what happened from the morning to noon to fix the tire pressure within my tires?

    Night before: Fine
    Over night temps drop: my car says PSI in tires are low
    During day: Temps rise and my car tells me PSI is fine

    What kind of magic wizardry is going on?????

  249. patswinagain says: Jan 8, 2016 4:58 PM

    The ideal gas law is so real…if you give me the psi of the ball and the temperature outside…I can tell you the exact temp in the locker room!

  250. lindacaseauthor says: Jan 8, 2016 5:00 PM

    1pavikingfan says:
    Jan 8, 2016 8:09 AM
    Make sure Walt Coleman calls a fair game.
    ——————
    To help make sure send a tweet to @DeanBlandino. State ur concerns and let the bigwig know you’re watching. If enough Vikings fans send a tweet. . . can’t hurt.

  251. aznwhip says: Jan 8, 2016 5:06 PM

    Restore our 32nd pick for this upcoming draft!

  252. patswinagain says: Jan 8, 2016 5:20 PM

    Give us our Frickin picks back! Science!

  253. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 8, 2016 5:42 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 11:33 AM
    Good points, but you missed the most crucial. How long the officials wait in the locker room before starting measurements, plus the overall temp of the stadium and how long it takes for the balls to be transported through the heated stadium to the locker room. The balls very likely have alot of time to warm up.
    ______________

    Not so likely actually and not so hard to determine. The Well$ report gives us a very clear indication that it doesn’t take long to get to the locker room from the field:

    “Jim McNally removed the two bags of game balls from the Officials Locker Room. He is seen on the security footage at 6:30:35p.m. walking away from the locker room and turning left into the center tunnel that leads towards the
    field. At the end of that tunnel on the left-hand side, just before reaching the doors that lead to the field, is a relatively large, single-toilet bathroom that locks from the inside.
    McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, locked the door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately
    one minute and forty seconds. He exited the bathroom at approximately 6:32:27 p.m, and took the bags of game balls to the field”

    “Based on the information provided by various witnesses to the halftime
    measurements, we believe that it took approximately two to four minutes after the balls were returned to the Officials Locker Room to devise, organize and begin implementing the testing protocol.”

    McNally leaves the locker room at 6:30:35 and after spending “approximately one minute and forty seconds” in the bathroom adjacent to the doors leading to the field he exited at 6:32:27.
    Knowing hateroids are math challenged that allows 12 seconds to walk the distance even encumbered by 2 bags of game balls. Therefore the Patriots footballs had between 2 minutes 12 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds to warm before testing

  254. fanofpft says: Jan 8, 2016 6:30 PM

    “”with the exception of one report that PSI levels were checked during the Titans-Patriots game last month in New England.”””

    There was advanced notice of this from NE media. This was not random then was it?

    Let random be random you media hounds.

  255. jjmurphy1127d says: Jan 8, 2016 6:40 PM

    Why didn’t PFT, NBC, ESPN, etc. do their own independent season long test with footballs then disclose what they found. It would be more independent than what the NFL is doing, although even the league can’t hide from the laws of science/ideal gas law, or can they?

  256. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 7:04 PM

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Jan 8, 2016 5:42 PM

    Knowing hateroids are math challenged that allows 12 seconds to walk the distance even encumbered by 2 bags of game balls. Therefore the Patriots footballs had between 2 minutes 12 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds to warm before testing”

    Sounds like mcnally RAN out of the locker room to the bathroom. Sounds innocent. LOL. Maybe he had to take a leak really badly, and instead of using the urinal right in the locker room, he ran to a remote bathroom (that locks).

  257. jag1959 says: Jan 8, 2016 7:08 PM

    fanofpft says:
    Jan 8, 2016 6:30 PM

    “”with the exception of one report that PSI levels were checked during the Titans-Patriots game last month in New England.”””

    There was advanced notice of this from NE media. This was not random then was it?

    Let random be random you media hounds.
    ___________________

    FYI the story that testing would be done during the Titans/Patriots game originated on the NFL network by producer Lisa Kraus Edwards, the league’s own mouthpiece is hardly part of the NE media. The decision to out that info it could only have originated at 345 Park Ave. Keep plugging with the hater posts though, we can’t correct what we don’t see

  258. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 8, 2016 7:30 PM

    helmetcatch says:
    Jan 8, 2016 7:04 PM

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Jan 8, 2016 5:42 PM

    Knowing hateroids are math challenged that allows 12 seconds to walk the distance even encumbered by 2 bags of game balls. Therefore the Patriots footballs had between 2 minutes 12 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds to warm before testing”

    Sounds like mcnally RAN out of the locker room to the bathroom. Sounds innocent. LOL. Maybe he had to take a leak really badly, and instead of using the urinal right in the locker room, he ran to a remote bathroom (that locks).
    _______________

    What laughable is that the report you swear by debunks your “very likely have a lot of time to warm up” statement so you head off on another tangent.
    Okay, let’s go there then. Multiple officials and league personnel working in concert couldn’t test 23 footballs due to the time constraints of halftime. But one fat guy in a 9 by 9 bathroom without so much as a bench could get 12 out of the ball bag, test and adjust them then get them back in the bag all in a minute and 40 seconds?

  259. helmetcatch says: Jan 8, 2016 7:37 PM

    “chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Jan 8, 2016 5:42 PM

    Knowing hateroids are math challenged that allows 12 seconds to walk the distance even encumbered by 2 bags of game balls. Therefore the Patriots footballs had between 2 minutes 12 seconds and 4 minutes 12 seconds to warm before testing”

    Sounds like mcnally RAN out of the locker room to the bathroom. Sounds innocent. LOL. Maybe he had to take a leak really badly, and instead of using the urinal right in the locker room, he ran to a remote bathroom (that locks).
    _______________

    What laughable is that the report you swear by debunks your “very likely have a lot of time to warm up” statement so you head off on another tangent.
    Okay, let’s go there then. Multiple officials and league personnel working in concert couldn’t test 23 footballs due to the time constraints of halftime. But one fat guy in a 9 by 9 bathroom without so much as a bench could get 12 out of the ball bag, test and adjust them then get them back in the bag all in a minute and 40 seconds?”

    over 4 minutes, and even 2 min 12sec is enough to considerably increase pressure. The curve is not linear, it’s exponential. You know what that means right, math wiz? Why don’t you check the exponent report, which has thorough analysis on how long it takes footballs to warm up (wet or dry). the very LAST patriots football measured under 11psi, even though it had more than enough time to reach room temp.

  260. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 8, 2016 8:52 PM

    So now Patriot Hater has moved on to the “dropped passes” argument since their fumble argument got completely incinerated in the regular season just completed.:)

    The problem of course is that it is meaningless, since the Patriots drop rate in 2015 was not the highest…nor second highest….nor third…. but the FOURTH highest drop rate the team has recorded…..

    ……since 2010.:)

    “Oh.”
    — Patriot Hater
    :)

  261. DennisT says: Jan 8, 2016 9:10 PM

    What about Fanboy Goodells childhood team the Jets, you know the team in green that DID NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN, getting caught red handed introducing a tampered kicking ball into a game a few years back and they got NO meaningful penalty

    Most of you haters probably did not even know that happened

  262. dryden74 says: Jan 9, 2016 6:44 AM

    Hear, hear. NFL is a disgrace.

  263. lcamae says: Jan 9, 2016 8:32 AM

    Oh please, the NFL’s random testing of footballs this season was never about figuring out the effects of temperature on PSI. It has always been about continuing to be able to claim that ball pressure is integral to the integrity of the game. How would it look if the NFLPA points out to the Second Circuit that the NFL obviously couldn’t care less about PSI because they hadn’t tested a single ball all season long? No, they want to be able to say that they randomly test for *compliance* (not science), because PSI actually is really important.

    What would be truly enlightening is if the Second Circuit kicks this thing back down to the arbitration level, and the NFLPA asks for those PSI levels in discovery. How much do you want to bet that the NFL won’t have kept a record of the levels, because “we weren’t testing for experiments in science, or to view trends, but only to ensure compliance within that particular game. There was, therefore, no reason to make a record of the levels if there was no violation.”

  264. patsfiend says: Jan 9, 2016 10:03 AM

    Even if the Pats screwed with the balls after being checked by the refs… Even if they’ve been doing it for years… They are still the best team in the league easily since the salary cap has been introduced. Brady is the undisputed best QB in that time frame. Belichick is the best coach.

    For the rest of all of our lives they will be included with the great dynasties. We’ll be enjoying documentaries about their success and methods for decades. None of the hater whining or asterisks on PFT comment boards changes that one bit, and fartman and the others will have to live miserably with these facts.

    Whatever happens from here on out with Bill and Tom? Just gravy, and could move them from “one of the greatest” dynasties to “THE greatest dynasty” if they can win one more. Roll that around in your little hollow heads, haters.

  265. letmefeelyourlove says: Jan 9, 2016 10:05 AM

    jrossizzle says:
    Jan 8, 2016 12:12 PM

    Dear Logic Deniers,

    The Deflator was talking about footballs not a weight loss plan
    _____________________________________

    The single text (out of many hundreds) where Jim McNally referred to himself as The Deflator was from May of 2014. That was well after the Super Bowl and well before the 2015 season. Nothing in the texts between JM and John Jastremski referred directly or indirectly to footballs.

    There were two texts from JM that included references to deflation. In addition to the May 2014 text, there was a text JM sent to JJ on November 30, 2014.

    The Patriots were on the road in Green Bay. JM was back in New England, since all ball attendants are provided by the home team. At 6:01 pm EST, JM texted JJ, saying “Deflate and give somebody that jkt”. Since JJ had no access to the Pats’ footballs, which were under the control of a Packers’ employee, this text clearly refers to deflating something other than a football.

    So here’s what we have. While the first text could be interpreted to suggest tampering, the second text references deflation in a context that clearly has nothing to do with footballs. Since we know the second text isn’t about footballs, absent evidence to the contrary it is more probable than not that the same is true of the first text.

  266. gizzmonic says: Jan 9, 2016 10:42 AM

    The footballs could be flat enough to fit inside a papa johns pizza box and the jackbooted, witch hunting NFL gestapo wouldn’t reveal that truth in 1000 years.

    Maybe the Aljazeera network can get there hands on a ball or two and deliver us the real answer.

    Cant trust ESPN or the other networks on the NFL payroll

  267. realitylooms says: Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM

    I’d love to see a video of the looks on the faces of the geniuses of Goodell, Kensil, and others in the NFL offices when they realized that the science of the Ideal Gas Law makes them look like the morons they are. They must have been like “Uh Ohhhhhh”

    Remember they were going to test PSI levels and release them? That changed overnight. Now there isn’t one digit of data they collected because they would look even worse during their pathetic appeal.

    I hope a private group does some testing tomorrow on PSI levels. Forget about the NFL, their lapdogs ESPN and other networks doing it. It isn’t in their interest to have it show the PSI levels will drop to 8.5 or 9.0. It’s great now watching Mark Brunell cry, Troy Aikman think he’s a genius, Jerome Bettis insist Brady committed a felony….LOLOLOL, and haters whine when they were all just hater morons. The Patriots have no chance, they’re weak but it would be great to see Goodell have to hand Belichick the Lombardi trophy.

  268. aljack88 says: Jan 9, 2016 5:24 PM

    “…over 4 minutes, and even 2 min 12sec is enough to considerably increase pressure. The curve is not linear, it’s exponential. You know what that means right, math wiz? Why don’t you check the exponent report, which has thorough analysis on how long it takes footballs to warm up (wet or dry). the very LAST patriots football measured under 11psi, even though it had more than enough time to reach room temp….”
    ==================================
    hey wiz biz – what does that say about the 3 of 4 Colts’ balls that were under spec that were checked AFTER the Pats’ balls?

  269. realitylooms says: Jan 9, 2016 6:01 PM

    @aljack Oh, they mysteriously “Ran out of time” measuring the PSI levels of Colts’ footballs after they measured 4 of them and 3 of 4 were under regulation even after they started at 13.5 PSI and had been in 70 degree temperature longer than all of the Patriots’ footballs. You know they saw the readings and were like, “Oh no!” This is all before the Ideal Gas Law was even touched.

    The NFL is a bunch of morons and look worse every day the appeal goes on. Even the massive population of moronic hater fans finds it harder and harder to hold on to the line Goodell has pushed on deflategate. The only thing they have left is “Well, well, they called him deflator in a text!” Ah, yeah that just meant he let air out of balls, not taking them below 12.5 PSI kids. What a sad story. Peyton Manning (innocent aw-shucks guy)gets HGH mailed to his house (under his wife’s name-that has now been established as fact) and the NFL isn’t even having an investigation following going on a year for Tom Brady and the bogus PSI investigation. It’s so pathetic that it’s good for a laugh. The NFL is a joke.

  270. missile742 says: Jan 10, 2016 7:13 PM

    Haters and nut jobs wont believe it but:

    4. With the 2015 regular season in the books, it’s timely to revisit one storyline from the preseason with the Patriots and air pressure in footballs: Some asked the question if there was a possible connection between air pressure and fumble rate. So what did we learn in 2015, a season in which the NFL instituted new protocols? The Patriots had the fewest fumbles of any offense, the best fumble rate of any offense, and one of their best fumble rates of the past decade.

    From Mike Reiss ESPN

  271. 46namredyps11 says: Jan 10, 2016 10:40 PM

    Either they haven’t done a fraction of the testing they claimed they would or the results make the leagues stance look more foolish than ever.

  272. mmack66 says: Jan 11, 2016 11:06 AM

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Jan 8, 2016 5:42 PM

    “Jim McNally removed the two bags of game balls from the Officials Locker Room. He is seen on the security footage at 6:30:35p.m. walking away from the locker room and turning left into the center tunnel that leads towards the
    field. At the end of that tunnel on the left-hand side, just before reaching the doors that lead to the field, is a relatively large, single-toilet bathroom that locks from the inside.
    McNally entered that bathroom with the game balls, locked the door, and remained in the bathroom with the game balls for approximately
    one minute and forty seconds. He exited the bathroom at approximately 6:32:27 p.m, and took the bags of game balls to the field”
    ———————–

    How do they know he locked the door? Did someone walk by and try to get in?

  273. Treat manning like Brady says: Jan 12, 2016 4:53 PM

    They can’t release the readings. It would prove what Pats have been saying all along.

    Is it possible that a class action suit could be filed to force the release of the data?

    Remember the meme, “if you have nothing to hide then give up your phone”?

    Well NFL, if you got nothing to hide…….

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