Goodell calls St. Louis, San Diego, Oakland proposals “unsatisfactory and inadequate”

AP

It’s unclear which team(s) will get to L.A. It’s now clear that the NFL believes the home cities of the current candidates to relocate haven’t done enough to keep them.

Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times reports that, in a 48-page report distributed to all teams on Saturday, Commissioner Roger Goodell called the proposals of St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland to keep the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders, respectively, “unsatisfactory and inadequate.”

Goodell adds that each city has had “ample opportunity but did not develop their proposals sufficiently to ensure the retention of its NFL team.”

But Farmer points out that Goodell makes no recommendation about a solution to the L.A. problem. Surely, all three teams won’t get approval to move. Goodell’s comments would make it a shock if at least one doesn’t.

The six-owner Committee on L.A. Opportunities is expected to make a recommendation to full ownership. For anything the league does, at least 24 of 32 owner votes will be needed.

A special ownership meeting will occur on Tuesday and Wednesday in Houston, and it is widely believed that the league will at that point come up with a solution to the L.A. problem. At this point, no one knows what it will be.

In time, however, each of the three cities that could lose its team to L.A. may eventually lose its team, somewhere, absent a dramatic change in the local willingness to subsidize the NFL and its billionaire team owners.

122 responses to “Goodell calls St. Louis, San Diego, Oakland proposals “unsatisfactory and inadequate”

  1. And Kroenke’s going to move his team anyway. NFL will try to fine them because of it, Kroenke will file an anti-trust lawsuit and it’ll take 2 years of them playing in LA before it goes to trial.

  2. All three cities should bargains collecitvely and pull their offers.

    Prominent citizens in all three communities should ask fans to boycott games and merchandise.

  3. “unsatisfactory and inadequate”….that’s certainly how the fans view Goodell’s reign as commish.

  4. All of Goodell’s comments apply to his record as commissioner, insufficient for the retention of his job.

  5. Goodell will screw it up like everything else. It would be hilarious if this somehow came down to a deciding vote by Robert Kraft. You can feel it coming.

  6. God help any future teams who’s owners threaten to move their team if the Stl proposal doesn’t prove to be adequate. It’s just another way the NFL can cover its tracks to screw over the home markets.

  7. Commissioner Roger Goodell called the proposals of St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland to keep the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders, respectively, “unsatisfactory and inadequate.”
    My sentiments on your performance.

  8. Well Goodell is nothing but a puppet for “Stank”…$400MM in public funding plus $160MM of fans purchasing PSL in “unsatisfactory”! That does not make any sense.

  9. You cities are not offering up enough taxpayer dollars — meanwhile NFL enjoys anti trust exemptions– to me this is BS. The NFL has no problems stealing cities beloved (some more than others) franchises to pursue more money, meanwhile they expect those cities to pay their operating costs all the while. This ridiculousness needs to be examined. These billionaires are pathetic.

  10. Interesting how Goodell doesn’t take a million years to address certain topics like he does with other issues.

  11. Anyone believe anything this clown says? One of these cities could have given the best proposal ever and he still would have said the same thing

  12. I think a domino effect will transpire similar to the mid 90s up until the Texans were founded. Rams to la this year with either the Chargers or raiders following in the next year or two. Whoever is left out goes to San Antonio with eventual expansion team in London.

  13. “The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.”
    – Gordon Gekko, Wall Street

    But only of you’re already a billionaire. Then the taxpayer base continues to take care of you with subsidies.

  14. If teams want to move and if LA really wants a team/teams and if the current cities haven’t made good cases to keep them, then what, exatly, is the problem?

  15. I wish just for once, these cities would not cave to the NFL. Force them to spend their own money on stadiums and so forth.

    What will the NFL do if all 3 cities tell Goodell to pound sand? They will not move all three to LA, so the league would have to back track on at least one proposal.

  16. Goodell is an absolute disgrace for saying that none of the cities has come up with a good stadium proposal. St. Louis has come up with a perfectly good riverfront stadium proposal. I don’t see anything wrong with it. Does Goodell want the city of St. Louis to pay for the entire thing and bankrupt the city in the process while he’s cashing out his billions? What a joke. Goodell is as corrupt as they come, which anyone could see after what he put the Patriots through after his prejudiced, biased sting operation in DeflateGate.

  17. STL will end up being the biggest loser in all of this. Two time losers of NFL teams almost guarantees they won’t get another one. Raiders aren’t moving and if the Chargers do, San Diego will become the new LA market, the promised land of all antsy home market teams (see: Jaguars). Rams are coming back home.

  18. St Louis sure is getting trashed trashed by the NFL on a weekly basis.
    If I lived there I’d say forget football and get into hockey or something.

  19. hey NFL, consider the lack municipal investment in your operation an indication of its value to and return to the community.

    Now that these teams have poisoned the well with the fan bases, expect more empty stadiums next year. Loyalty is a two way street sir.

  20. This is Mr. “Integrity”‘s standard MO. Predetermine the outcome of a process and issue an abstract statement with no details. Chairman Mao would be proud!

    #integrity
    #WWE

  21. NFL equals Wall Street banks. They each have Washington DC in their pockets and can write their own rules.

    Which is why broke cities with failing schools and near bankrupt tax bases need to say NO MORE free ride for the NFL. Enough of this Billionaire Welfare!

  22. It’s hard to justify an owner that has a team worth a billion dollars, 100’s of millions more of his own money, and a league that generates billions more in revenue…..and then demanding “what can you do for me” from a city to help build a billion dollar stadium.

    No matter how many jobs you create, the prestige it gives the city having a pro team, and 2nd and 3rd tier revenue streams from sport stores/restaurants/taxes….it’s just too hard to justify it.

    I love football and the NFL does a lot of great things, but geez, they are greedy and power dictators.

  23. Keep moaning and complaining about the commissioner and greedy billionaires… You will continue to spend your money going to games, buying the latest jersey, and watching on tv because your lives would be meaningless without football…

  24. Note to everyone calling Goodell inadequate and unsatisfactory: he doesn’t answer to you. He works for 32 people, and under his reign their wealth has increased beyond your wildest dreams. So yeah, Goodell is doing just fine.

  25. It’s time for St. Louis to pull their offer to build a stadium. Greed is ruining the NFL. Go to LA, within a few years the NFL will be begging for fans to attend Rams games. I saved my season ticket money this year, and watch games on my 58″ HD TV.

  26. There are lots of comments about greed and the owners deep desire for taxpayer money, but not one person seem to be willing to take into account Stan K’s rejection of $500m in StL taxpayer money or his willingness to pay $2B for the LA statum out of his own pocket. It’s just shows just how emotions cloud one’s thinking.

  27. The reality, football is a luxory not a right. Cities do have to pony up to the bar along with the owner and the NFL to come up with the bucks or they lose the franchise. These cities cry like hell after a 30 year stadium is old and the owners are asking for a new one but they fail to mention all the taxable income they collected for those years off 53 plus millionaires, tax on concessions, parking, etc. It’s bs to just say the owners need to foot the bill but we reap the big money from taxes. Let the teams leave if the city and state plays hardball.

  28. What a ridiculous dipstick Goodell is.
    Funny how he says inadequate, when that’s exactly what he has been in his career from the start.

  29. cards1man says:
    Jan 9, 2016 6:52 PM

    Well Goodell is nothing but a puppet for “Stank”…$400MM in public funding plus $160MM of fans purchasing PSL in “unsatisfactory”! That does not make any sense.
    —————————-

    So $560 million of free money is inadequate?

  30. Owner gets option to move after partner city breaks contractual obligations. He then decides to build a stadium with his own money in a different city. And yes, after spending 2 billion of his own money to make this happen he’ll *still* come out ahead. ” The Kronk” is the Gronk of NFL owners.

  31. Funny how the Chargers cried to the NFL that if any team moved to LA it would have an impact on “their” fan base when in fact there are probably more LA Ram and LA Raiders fans there than there ever were Charger fans. So it’s a political football that whomever moves will benefit in the short run no doubt, but as a San Diegan and having lived in Cleveland when Modell moved the Browns, the Spanos family will probably never be honored again in San Diego, no matter what they say. Many fans will never make that trip up to LA to put money in their pockets. Spanos are dreaming if they think this will work out in the long run, just like the running of the football team, they are just as inept in making this decision.

  32. Of course they are, if they were satisfactory the teams wouldn’t have an excuse to move. The whole process is a sham.

  33. If LA is such a good location, how come there isn’t a team already there?

    and with the “economic recovery” showing it’s true face, this may be it for a while for any city to be forking over public money to build an owner a new stadium.

  34. Let’s just forget the fact that the Chargers did nothing to negotiate with the city on their proposal, right? Let’s just let it slide the good ole Deano’s application is filled with nothing but lies that aim to make the city of San Diego look terrible. Greed. No other way to put it. Screw the NFL.

  35. The Commissioner is doing his job and making sure the NFL owners continue to prosper and get them the best deal…….He is doing great, contrary to the many fans who think his job is to please them/players/local media/local gov………..If I was a billionaire owner, I would vote to give him a huge bonus, keep him in his position and continue to make much more in equity and profits than any other commercial venture……..Only way that his office changes positions (that you all seem to be so against) is to stop selling out games/tickets, watching games on t.v. and buying NFL merchandise……..Unfortunately, again to those who seem to be so against him, that won’t happen……..

    In the meantime, I’m happy the playoffs are here…..Love this weekend….

  36. That’s their final offer Deal with it Goodell. The NFL’s contribution to the new stadiums are inadequate.

    Here’s an idea, how bout all 3 pull their offers and say, guess what Goddell, we are not contributing anything. Good luck funding it all on your own

  37. Keep moaning and complaining about the commissioner and greedy billionaires… You will continue to spend your money going to games, buying the latest jersey, and watching on tv because your lives would be meaningless without football…

    IS THAT RIGHT ?…I have never purchased a jersey,or even a baseball cap…and…the last game I attended was in 1973
    Chargers VS Minn. Vikings !…that right…the NFL does not need more people like me !…hihihi

  38. The League has proven time and time again they don’t give a DAM* about either the Players, (tried to
    discredit concussions and the Dr that found the related mind altering disease) Or the Fans that buy the tickets. If there is more money, screw the fans and move the teams…

  39. Goodell encapsulates everything that is wrong with our country right now. He is demanding that cities, already drowning in debt and having a hard time providing basic services to their citizens, finance construction, arrange favorable tax situations, and provide yet more free handouts to Goodell’s billionaire friends. And, he has the nerve to trumpet it to the heavens, knowing that he can get whatever he wants.

  40. What an insult.

    We should immediately revoke our offer.

    If we end up with no team next week, I am done with the NFL forever.

  41. “Unsatisfactory and inadequate”? I’m sorry, was Goodell referring to the cities’ proposals or his own job performance?

    I am so happy that Goodell is disappointed in what these cities proposed. It means they have finally gotten smart and stopped reacting emotionally. The NFL is running out of cities that it can use to blackmail existing cities into putting up money to build a playpen for BILLIONAIRE owners to use 10 times a year.

    NFL owners need to pay up and build their own stadiums if they want a new one. This is one area where I give Jerry Jones credit. He has built a stadium for the Cowboys from which he makes money year round and has raised the value of the franchise.

  42. Something that I don’t understand is, with all the crazy stuff that is built and enginered around the world why can’t someone figure out how to build a true multipurpose stadium.
    This would be ideal especially in Oakland. Arizona moves the whole darn playing surface from outside to inside. Nobody can design some sort of moveable configuration in this day and age? Just don’t see why it is not even talked about.
    Again China and Dubai are busy creating islands out of the blue but designing a movable stadium configuration is asking for too much

  43. In reply to why not a multi-purpose stadium…..

    A lot of the stadiums today are multi purpose. Winter classic, concerts, Olympic potential etc. however, who ever owns and builds that stadium does not want to share it with another owner. If you look at the value of the nfl teams you will find 2 consistencies….. 1. Plays in a major market 2. That owner has complete ownership of the stadium.

    Example…… The Texans are worth a ton more than the Bears

  44. If NFL teams aren’t allowed to move, how would the owners extort the ridiculous amounts of money it costs the taxpayers to build these new stadiums. What a waste.

  45. Dolphins jags or bucs will be the next teams to threaten moves once a all this is done. Writing on the wall

  46. At the risk of sounding like a marketing genius, where is the re-upstart USFL in this, and why aren’t they courting these cities by holding a boombox over their head outside their windows????

    If you are an upstart league, this is PR city baby, free, good publicity in order to capitalize on the negative feelings of 3 major markets towards its primary competitor.

    THIS is the moment. Where the heck are they right now?? I would be on a PR warpath, using the negative energy in order to advance my own initiatives.

    (P.S., USFL officials, if you guys are hiring? Lets talk.)

  47. bulldog12b says:
    Jan 9, 2016 7:19 PM
    Keep moaning and complaining about the commissioner and greedy billionaires… You will continue to spend your money going to games, buying the latest jersey, and watching on tv because your lives would be meaningless without football…
    ***************************************

    Patience is never unlimited.

  48. Like to see a city fully fund a stadium, demand a 100 year lease with provision any future upgrades are paid for by the team, and the city receive rent equivalent to cost to rent commercial space in said city. Screw these billionaires holding cities hostage, the money they are extorting should go to schools and city infrastructure not to cater to spoiled million and billionaires

  49. I think most people are of the opinion that Goodell’s performance has been inadequate and unsatisfactory for several years now. The owners haven’t done anything about it so why should the NFL expect three of their team cities do anything different.
    I hope it’s seen as a sign that change is taking place in fan reaction. And that change includes an expectation of greater quality in the product being offered, a need for a major cost reduction for the product being offered and a return to integrity of the NFL, especially the commissioner.
    All this will require a change at the top. Get rid of Goodell and watch an immediate redirection of fan excitement.

  50. Unlike most any other thing the owner’s goodellbot makes pronouncements on we can probably take his word on recognizing something as unsatisfactory and inadequate after all he sees it in the mirror all the time.

  51. How absolutely arrogant, cavalier and condescending!

    America’s cities – – – WAKE UP!!!

    You don’t need the NFL.

    The NFL needs you!

  52. It really amazes me. LA does not deserve ANY professional team period. How many Times did we see over the years how their so called fans are nothing but LA yuppies who get to the games half way through them. People that just want to be seen. Just like Dallas. They don’t have and never will have a real fan base.

  53. Thanks “spiffybiff” for the intelligent response.
    That’s kind of my point why isn’t even brought up anymore?
    Oakland is the perfect example with the baseball and football teams both needing new stadiums. If I was the mayor I could see supporting a multipurpose stadium. A stadium that’s in use nearly all year might make sense to use city funds.
    I understand that both teams would prefer their own stadiums but put it back on the owners who claim they really want to be in that city.
    Basically let it be known there’s money for a shared stadium. But If they want their own let them pay all of the costs themselves

  54. The NFL should just build/buy their own stadiums. And charge the Teams rent, real rent, if they don’t like it they pay for their own Stadiums. The NFL can rent them out for concerts etc.

  55. “In 1999, the team officially announced that it would remain in Foxboro, which led to Gillette Stadium’s construction. After the Hartford proposal fell through, Robert Kraft paid for 100% of the construction costs, a rare instance of an NFL owner privately financing the construction of a stadium.”

    “On April 18, 2000, the team revealed plans for the new stadium in Foxboro. It was announced as a 68,000-seat stadium at a cost of $325 million, with the entire cost privately funded. Boston is thus the only city in professional sports in which all facilities are privately owned and operated. The Patriots own Gillette Stadium, the Red Sox own Fenway Park, and TD Garden is owned by Delaware North (the owner of the Bruins) (the Celtics rent the TD Garden from Delaware North).”

    Thanks to Wikipedia.

    Go Patriots!

  56. davej13 says:
    Jan 9, 2016 8:13 PM
    NFL owners need to pay up and build their own stadiums if they want a new one. This is one area where I give Jerry Jones credit. He has built a stadium for the Cowboys from which he makes money year round and has raised the value of the franchise.
    ——————–

    Jerruh has indeed built a stadium that makes him money year round and he did it with only $444M of public money. It is a crock to call that stadium privately built. To be fair it’s not unreasonable that there’s almost always going to be some public money involved in building a stadium in a new or under developed area due to infrastructure requirements but that was not the case with Jerry World. In fact only a couple of stadiums (FedEx and Gillette) have been built in the last 20 years using only that acceptable minimum of public money, ie being used for surrounding public infrastructure justifiable as something that would have been done to support most any revenue generating private building project of that scope. Levi stadium has an ongoing public tab that could end up being substantial and is too convoluted to nail down

    Only MetLife was 100% privately funded and that was only because it was built on the Meadowlands site where the infrastructure was already there.

  57. the8man says:
    Jan 9, 2016 9:37 PM
    “In 1999, the team officially announced that it would remain in Foxboro, which led to Gillette Stadium’s construction. After the Hartford proposal fell through, Robert Kraft paid for 100% of the construction costs, a rare instance of an NFL owner privately financing the construction of a stadium.”

    “On April 18, 2000, the team revealed plans for the new stadium in Foxboro. It was announced as a 68,000-seat stadium at a cost of $325 million, with the entire cost privately funded. Boston is thus the only city in professional sports in which all facilities are privately owned and operated. The Patriots own Gillette Stadium, the Red Sox own Fenway Park, and TD Garden is owned by Delaware North (the owner of the Bruins) (the Celtics rent the TD Garden from Delaware North).”

    Thanks to Wikipedia.
    __________________

    And like most Wikipedia info it is not entirely correct. It’s all in the wording, the Gillette project cost over $70M in public funds for infrastructure support. While Kraft paid for all of the costs related to building the stadium itself the public still paid for 17% of what it took to get it done. All in all very reasonable but still not 100% private

  58. he is so determined to get a team in L.A., he would decline doubling his ridiculous salary to keep things as is.

  59. Goodell is not so good at disciplining players, but he is great at blackmailing cities into building state of the art stadiums for his billion dollar owners

  60. Imagine that, a ‘leak’ that did not work in Roger’s favor. Obviously those words were never meant for public consumption. From the LA Times piece:

    “The contents of the 48-page report were disclosed to The Times by someone who has seen it but is not authorized to discuss it publicly.”

    Et tu Kroenke?
    Obviously ol’ Roge is up against one of the big boys now. Anybody think Stan the man wouldn’t toss aside a commissioner as casually as a he would a city to get his way?

  61. simple math tells us there are 3 poor retention plans but only 2 LA openings. so does that mean the 3rd team, the LA sweepstakes loser, won’t go to 1 of the cities whose team went to LA ? might that 3rd team go to san Antonio ??

    goodell is greasing the skids for any of the 3 teams to leave its city and relocate to LA. but when it comes time for the 3rd team to either stay or go to one of the two “lost a team to LA” cities, all the cities will be adequate.

    and after 2-3 years, the LA teams will suffer due to lack of fan interest. and then the dance will start all over, but this time in the opposite direction — the LA exodus. and the owners will get more lofty relocation payments.

    what a model.

  62. @chesswhileyouplaycheckers:

    Thanks for the elaboration. I’d say it’s still a pretty good model and I’d venture to say that the $70mm has probably been easily recaptured in the form of taxes and expanded business opportunities with the birth of Patriot Place and the surrounding retail mini-city.

    Most if not all Mass. residents would argue that it was a win-win with clear economic benefit to many. I wonder how many fully publicly financed stadiums can say that.

  63. NFL is a MULTI BILLION dollar business.. Why don’t they just pay for Oakland 500 mill gap? No way NFL wants 3 teams in LA. That makes no sense to have that. I think it’s simple really. Rams owner wants to leave and he should be allowed to if he is going to foot the bill, Chargers don’t have a big enough fan base in San Diego so let them leave but Oakland has a big fan base in Oakland so just pay t5o keep them there..Problem solved

  64. It is kind of funny that elected politicians have to go the NFL like Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV begging for absolution from his excommunication by Pope Goodell VII so he could have his crown and lands back in 1077 AD. It seems that the owners and the League just holds fans and local taxpayers hostage with the threat of removing their teams as a ploy to cough up billions of dollars for new stadiums while the local governments are forced to cut back basic services to pay for them. The NFL and owners are rich enough to build their own stadiums and if they are not they can do something original like practice something called capitalism where you find investors for a for profit venture. Instead of going for Sports Bolshevism where taxpayer takes all the collective risk and cost and the league and owners take all the revenue and profit.

  65. the8man says:
    Jan 9, 2016 10:34 PM

    @chesswhileyouplaycheckers:

    Thanks for the elaboration. I’d say it’s still a pretty good model and I’d venture to say that the $70mm has probably been easily recaptured in the form of taxes and expanded business opportunities with the birth of Patriot Place and the surrounding retail mini-city.

    Most if not all Mass. residents would argue that it was a win-win with clear economic benefit to many. I wonder how many fully publicly financed stadiums can say that.
    ————————–

    I am one (Charlestown) and it’s absolutely a win. I have been a season ticket holder since ’82 and there are still times pulling in there it still almost seems like a dream that Gillette and it’s environs are there instead of the cement bowl with aluminum benches and the dirt parking lot bordered by manure from the old racetrack. Although for $70M+ they could have done better with the traffic pattern, lol

  66. If my city (San Diego), along with Oakland and St. Louis has to lose a team to *maybe* wake up politicians in other cities across the US that funding these stadiums for billionaires is no longer acceptable, it’ll be worth it.

  67. His comments describe the quality of the three teams that want to move here to L.A.

    There are not enough quality players on all three teams to form ONE professional football team..

  68. To the people who have commented about the Rams coming back home & that they should’ve never left LA in the first place! If the Rams were going back home, they would be going back to Cleveland, OH where they started and maybe those fans think they shouldn’t have left there either! Thier ORIGINAL home in the first place!

  69. I’ve a request as well a as a suggetion. In the name of all that’s holy. Paruse a few of the comments before whatever passes for clever in your village and pops into your head, is committed to digital perpetuity. The bandwidth it could save is practically incalculable. If you notice that my humble request has fallen upon deaf ears, try an interestingly novel alternative, bottom up. It tends to weed out the riff raff, but it takes the same amount of time.

  70. Reminder – The NFL report about the strange case of the deflated balls was 243 pages long.

    Making it about 200 pages longer than the NFL report about the concussion problems of former players.

    Keep those facts in mind when reading stories like this, because with ALL things NFL – This is all about 1 thing and 1 thing only – money.

    Yours

  71. Translation: Proposals won’t be satisfactory and adequate until each city pays for 100% of the cost to build a stadium to save their teams.

    Absolutely disgusting.

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