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Chargers, Rams conclude first meeting, agree to say nothing more

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On Monday, the Rams and the Chargers conducted the first meeting aimed at making Kroenkeworld a two-team operation. The meeting is now over, and that’s all we know.

“We have concluded our first meeting,” the teams said in a joint statement. “We mutually have agreed not to publicly discuss details of this or any future meeting.”

It’s a vague (deliberately) message inviting plenty of speculation about whether and to what extent progress was made, whether and to what extent more meetings will happen, and whether and to what extent a deal is possible without future meetings.

In most cases, action in the NFL is driven by deadlines. In this situation, what’s the deadline? For Chargers players and employees, it’s undoubtedly right now. The Rams can’t sell premium products at the new stadium until a deal is done, but that’s not the same type of urgency.

Until the two sides agree on a deadline, it will be impossible to agree to a deal, because both sides will refrain from moving toward their bottom-line position for fear of being squeezed off of it as the actual deadline approaches.

That’s why it would have been better for the NFL not to give the Chargers until January of 2017 to finalize a deal with the Rams. If the league had given the two sides until, say, the end of January 2016, the deal would be 13 days away from getting done.

Unless, of course, the Rams prefer sharing a stadium (and in turn competing) with the Raiders, who will get dibs on partnering up if/when the Chargers pass. For Rams owner Stan Kroenke, it could be better to partner with Raiders owner Mark Davis, who may be willing to do the deal on terms the Chargers wouldn’t. And it would be naive to assume that Kroenke hasn’t thought of that — or that Kroenke won’t find out what Davis would agree to before reaching an agreement with Spanos.

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  1. mackcarrington says: Jan 18, 2016 7:38 PM

    It will really be telling if the Chargers and San Diego sit down and start talking again. Then we will know if either side really wants to get something done in San Diego. it would be a leverage play from the Chargers or a desperation attempt from the city.

  2. docboss says: Jan 18, 2016 7:38 PM

    In a related report, Spanos’ lips have been glued to Stan’s rear. NFL really stuck it to a “good soldier”.

  3. chargerdillon says: Jan 18, 2016 7:45 PM

    Enjoy being a power-bottom in LA Dean. You’ve earned it.

    Line your pockets with San Diego’s money and leave town to be the most unlikable franchise in the nation.

    You had loyal fans in San Diego, those days are gone.

  4. FlintBeastwood says: Jan 18, 2016 7:52 PM

    hargerdillon says:
    Jan 18, 2016 7:45 PM

    _____

    What money are you speaking of? as a season ticket holder in LA, none of you in SD even decided to show up

    What nonsense.

  5. tracyrobinson11 says: Jan 18, 2016 7:54 PM

    “or that Kroenke won’t find out what Davis would agree to before reaching an agreement with Spanos.”

    That right there is a great point. Dean Spanos is really being out maneuvered by Stan Kroenke. Poor Dean, no matter how he tries he just doesn’t measure up.

  6. raiderapologist says: Jan 18, 2016 8:00 PM

    Spanos reportedly requested a wet wipe on his way out of the meeting.

  7. jimbo75025 says: Jan 18, 2016 8:14 PM

    Spanos is screwed. The Rams are or have already lined up corporate sponsors and all those other bells and whistles. Deano would be picking from the leftovers

    If the Chargers move, no matter the terms reached with Kroenke, Spanos will be playing second fiddle.

    Suck it up Spanos (literally), get out your begging bowl, and go crawling back to San Diego

  8. samquix says: Jan 18, 2016 8:16 PM

    FlintBeastwood says:
    Jan 18, 2016 7:52 PM
    hargerdillon says:
    Jan 18, 2016 7:45 PM

    _____

    What money are you speaking of? as a season ticket holder in LA, none of you in SD even decided to show up

    What nonsense.
    ————-
    As a season ticket holder in SD I went to 6 of the 8 home games. My raider fan college buddies (oxymoron?) always pay top dollar for my raider tix and I have no interest in going to that game. The other was the Browns game that I gifted to a couple of newlyweds in my neighborhood (terrible gift I know). I of course speak for myself only. But that proves your “none of you fans show up” statement wrong.

  9. mdintino1420 says: Jan 18, 2016 8:43 PM

    Come on Dean, stay in San Diego. It doesn’t make sense to pay $550 million to be an afterthought in Los Angeles. The funding gap for the new San Diego stadium can be closed with a ticket tax and PSLs. The only team you’re competing with is the Padres. In Los Angeles, it would be several teams. The Chargers belong in San Diego.

  10. chargerdillon says: Jan 18, 2016 9:03 PM

    FlintBeastwood says:
    Jan 18, 2016 7:52 PM
    hargerdillon says:
    Jan 18, 2016 7:45 PM

    _____

    What money are you speaking of? as a season ticket holder in LA, none of you in SD even decided to show up

    What nonsense.

    —————————-

    I guess Stan made Dean buy tickets for his own team

  11. gobolts says: Jan 18, 2016 9:08 PM

    How many times do have to say it? Chargers, Rams and Raiders left Los Angeles for a reason.

  12. manbunequalsstreetcred says: Jan 18, 2016 9:16 PM

    Enos is going to stick it to the 2nd tenant who ever it is. He doesn’t just win. He prefers to destroy both his enemies AND his partners (just ask the last 4).

    He doesn’t care that he already won (He was never gonna lose anyway).

    He will not stop until he breaks Spanos. Dean cannot win this fight.

  13. slvrnblk72 says: Jan 18, 2016 9:20 PM

    Mark Davis owns land outside of San Antonio, its going down.. SA Raiders! Texas will finally have a winner

  14. chipper41 says: Jan 18, 2016 9:29 PM

    Why would the Chargers and Rams say anything when both Stan and Dean and the nfl for that matter have an agreement in place to allow the Chargers to use la to get the best possible deal in San Diego over the next 12 months. What we will not hear about are the simultaneous secret negotiations going on between the Rams and the raiders right now. Raiders a lock for la in 2018. This is how the good ole boy network works.

  15. mark0226 says: Jan 18, 2016 9:31 PM

    My opinion is that the Chargers will get a deal done because they don’t want to compete with two teams in LA. Southern California will not support three teams. The Chargers have stated that about 25% of their fan base is from LA.

  16. 4rings4brady says: Jan 18, 2016 9:59 PM

    I’ve been thinking about this whole move. I think the owners need to have a new meeting and remove the rams from LA.

    The Chargers can go back to LA, because that is where they started, and its where they belong.

    The Rams however, need to get back to their football roots – in Cleveland. They can share a stadium with the Browns. It will be neat and fun.

    And if the NFL wants a second team in LA, expand – bring back the LA Dons.

  17. chipper41 says: Jan 18, 2016 10:11 PM

    The 25% fanbase outside of San Diego are

    A) fans of other teams that love to going to San Diego to see their team play – this won’t change

    And

    B) transplanted charger fans. Especially in orange and riverside county. San Diego is an expensive place to live. Plenty of people are forced to leave but don’t want to leave socal. – this also won’t change with teams in la

    The losing 25% of the fanbase statistic is BOGUS

  18. mostepicgnar says: Jan 18, 2016 11:16 PM

    The question should be where do the Rams go after L.A. fails? It’ll be the cool thing to do for a few years, until the allure wears off.

  19. norcalmafia says: Jan 18, 2016 11:30 PM

    Kinda weird ..I would bet the Raiders have more fans in So Cal than the Rams and Chargers combined..They have no chance of getting a stadium in Oakland..People are murdered in the streets every night in Oakland trust me their last concern is helping the Raiders with a stadium and if the Chargers join the Rams they will be second fiddle to them..I don’t get how any teams fans benifit from this only the owners pockets

  20. norcalmafia says: Jan 18, 2016 11:33 PM

    Well if they could get a NFL team in a lame second class city like Seattle anything is possible.

  21. fxejohn says: Jan 18, 2016 11:35 PM

    Ya know if they want LA then move…make it happen. Then SD can focus on offering the Raiders a home.
    Davis should grow a pair and be like his ‘old man’, take your team and move wherever you want. Al proved that ‘owners’ can be bullied, didn’t Stan just use the same approach? Besides what can they do it’s his team, his official business and in this country he can take his business wherever he wants. If he moves to SD he’ll sell out games and the Chargers will feel the effect in attendance.

  22. mribiscairo says: Jan 19, 2016 12:40 AM

    I was at the San Diego Gulls (AHL) game on Saturday night and between second and third period, the girl who announces the promo activities tried to rally Chargers support by asking the 10,000 fans to join her in a “Let’s go, Bolts!” chant. The boos were deafening.

    Spanos has salted the earth here- he already faces a brutal weekly struggle selling tickets when the city is excited about the team. Now that he’s shown his hand, he’ll never be able to buy back enough goodwill to fill a stadium in San Diego.

  23. lobzila says: Jan 19, 2016 12:59 AM

    Anyone remember the sting of the ticket guarantee deal the Chargers made with the City of San Diego years ago. The City was forced to buy up any unsold seats to prevent a black out to avoid giving SD a non-sports team image kind of place. That deal sucked! Great for the Chargers, but the City got screwed. Now they want SD to build a stadium for them and with their past history of great deals, wondered why nothing got done. Let’s not even mention the quality of the team you have put on the field lately. As a former Charger fan, I now look at the team like my ex-girlfriend who kept telling me she was leaving me unless I bought her newer and more expensive stuff to stick around. Well this all day sucker is finally done. Pack your bags and go!
    Give two people a call, Robert Kraft to ask how he got his stadium done with not public money and you might want to give Marty Schottenhiemer a call and see what he would charge you to straighten out the team. Who fires a coach that goes 14-2?
    Get Out!

  24. richdogg231 says: Jan 19, 2016 1:42 AM

    I don’t understand why Kroenke would offer any kind of favorable terms to the Chargers. If I were him I’d just pay Spanos 100 mill to stay out of LA for good.

  25. saturdaymorningbutterfly says: Jan 19, 2016 4:11 AM

    The Chargers are going to lose money so quickly. I think they need to do a better market study. There is ZERO Chargers fan base here in Los Angeles. The Rams are doable because there is history. The Chargers were fine in SD. I don’t understand why he’s trying to move them to LA. Kroenke won’t have issues since he doesn’t have to burden the entire transition himself. I feel sorry for the Chargers fans.

  26. tatum064 says: Jan 19, 2016 5:01 AM

    norcalmafia says:
    Jan 18, 2016 11:30 PM
    Kinda weird ..I would bet the Raiders have more fans in So Cal than the Rams and Chargers combined..They have no chance of getting a stadium in Oakland..People are murdered in the streets every night in Oakland trust me their last concern is helping the Raiders with a stadium and if the Chargers join the Rams they will be second fiddle to them..I don’t get how any teams fans benifit from this only the owners pockets

    ————————

    Beyond MORONIC. They will get a better deal for a stadium, and if they do move , they’ll wait for Carol Davis to pass on, and then force Mark Davis to sell. THEY DO NOT TRUST THE RAIDERS with the L.A.

    Also, they want AFC=NFC sharing the market so both conferences get road revenues from a new stadium, hence the sharing – Now, the Raiders could also stand to move to the NFC, but it takes a lot more for Raiders to move because NO ONE IS BUYING or INVESTING … maybe Larry Ellison teams with the NFL to purchase the stadium.

    for the 4 millionth time, THEY ARE NO LOCK to move ANYWHERE. unless they are bought from Mark Davis , as he has nothing – no investors and he has already sold part of his shares. He needs cash, period.

  27. stl45fan says: Jan 19, 2016 7:25 AM

    When StanK goes silent, he gets deadly………….

  28. steelpenguin6687 says: Jan 19, 2016 7:49 AM

    I really feel for the true fans of the teams caught up in all this mess.

    Also, I really don’t understand the logic of the LA market going from zero teams to two teams overnight. I would imagine that they have done research, however, I don’t know if one if the included questions was, “Would you pay $100.00 minimum for a ticket in the nosebleed section”?

  29. vikingdoode says: Jan 19, 2016 7:53 AM

    San Diego community call the bluff on the NFL and the Spanos family . Chargers will die in LA with no fan base. Make them crawl back and make them play another 5 years at Jack Murphy.

    I’m sure it all will depend on how much $ will Spano get if they can’t sell out and be subsidized by the Rams! Chargers just need to win and then fans will follow

  30. alfredogarciashead says: Jan 19, 2016 8:19 AM

    Dean offered to throw in a new rug to replace Stan’s roadkill on his dome if he would give him a break in the lease and if Stan would also shave his ’70s porn star moustache.

  31. bolted4life says: Jan 19, 2016 8:55 AM

    I keep hearing Raiders have so many fans!!! Then why did no one go to the games in LA in the 80s-90s??? and why are they tarping seats in Oakland???

    Guess those silver and black knock off jerseys are the only thing they spend money on,

  32. MTLighthouse69 says: Jan 19, 2016 9:04 AM

    I don’t care anymore. I think the Chargers are gone from San diego.

    It is never a smart thing to burn bridges. Sometimes deals aren’t a sure thing, they fall through. There is going to have to be a lot of fence mending, if there is any hope of the Chargers getting a deal done in San diego. I don’t see it happening. Even if it did happen, there are still a lot of angry Charger fans.

    The Chargers have no one but themselves to blame for it. Kroenke holds all of the cards, and the Chargers don’t have a home..

  33. steelpenguin6687 says: Jan 19, 2016 9:32 AM

    I really feel for the true fans of the teams caught up in all this mess.

    Also, I really don’t understand the logic of the LA market going from zero teams to two teams overnight. I would imagine that they have done research, however, I don’t know if one if the included questions was, “Would you pay $100.00 minimum for a ticket in the nosebleed section”?

  34. guadalahonky says: Jan 19, 2016 10:18 AM

    Can someone tell me why the Chargers don’t sell a larger minority share to Robert Iger?

    They’ll get 200 million from the league, and add to it Robert Iger’s minority share price, plus the Chargers put up 300 million, the Chargers can put those dollars into private stadium funding in San Diego.

    Plus the Chargers ownership group owns their own stadium in San Diego, the Spanos/Iger group groucan sell the naming rights to the stadium, cut their own stadium marketing deal with beer distributors, soft drink vendors, Oggi;s pizza stands, you get the idea.

  35. golfdaddy1961 says: Jan 19, 2016 10:41 AM

    San Diego native here who moved to Texas with his parents as a child. My years were those of Hadl, Alworth, Garrett and Garrison. Home for the last 40 years is Houston.

    I’ve watched the inevitable divorce unfold for well over a decade – the entire time that the Spanos family has been asking for a new facility to replace one that was almost 40 – now 50 – years old.

    Once Alex died, the writing was on the wall, but the city leaders didn’t want to believe it. You see, we all think that “our city is the perfect place for [name of team].”

    The reality is that sports franchises are BUSINESSES. Do the owners want to change addresses? With the exception of Kroenke (?), no. But one need only look to Cleveland, Houston, LA, St Louis, and Baltimore to see the inevitability of the split.

    The Chargers left LA for San Diego. The Cardinals left Cleveland for Chicago for St Louis for Arizona. The Rams left LA for St Louis for LA. The Browns went to Baltimore which wanted to replace the Colts who moved to Indianapolis. The Oilers went to Tennessee after having agreed to stay in the renovated Astrodome. (By the way, big thanks to Mayor Kathy Whitmire for believing that Bud Adams would abide by a handshake deal.)

    I’m betting the Spanos’s would have been willing to pitch in 20-25% before, aND maybe more. Now, if they’re even willing to think about staying, you’re probably going to be on the hook for the whole fish taco.

    The blame for that is squarely on the shoulders of your city leaders, not Dean Spanos.

  36. stlouisfan says: Jan 19, 2016 11:38 AM

    Has no one been following this relocation sham ? The deal is done. It was done when the owners met in Houston. Chargers are going to LA. Raiders are going to SD. These ” meetings ” mean nothing. Spanos will do exactly what the NFL tells him to do. The King of California ( Stan) has spoken. Spanos and Davis have few choices. Spanos is not getting a new stadium in SD unless he pays for it. They know they can get the Raiders with a renovation to the stadium they have. The Raiders are not going to San Antonio . Jerry will never agree to that. The NFL and Stan screwed Spanos. Davis will come out better than he could have ever wanted. This is a big money grab for the NFL . No one associated with the NFL cares anything about the fans in any city. They lie and make you think we are so important ,but we are not. Attendance to games mean very little. Its all about how much money they can extract from TV networks and sponsors . Attendance is just pocket change.

  37. thefatlazygamer says: Jan 19, 2016 11:58 AM

    I hope the Chargers move to LA and still call themselves the San Diego Chargers to just salt the wounds. Kinda like how 2 teams that allegedly represent New York play in New Jersey.

  38. seven2k says: Jan 19, 2016 12:02 PM

    Raiders>Chargers and Rams in L.A. this is known.

    Lets stop lying to ourselves. Rams do not have a winning team and are years away from competing.

    Raiders have some years ahead of them. Couple bad in game decisions and the Raiders would of been a playoff team.

  39. dohczeppelin says: Jan 19, 2016 12:28 PM

    I’m still not clear why two teams would want to share LA in the first place. You’re just going to end up with the most band-wagon-est fan base in the history of sports if you put not one but two teams in a town like LA.

    “Let’s see…. Are the Rams or the Chargers better this year… I think the Rams had a better record last year! Yeeeaaahhhh!!!! Go Rams!!! **googles team records just to be sure** Wait, you mean they both suck? Yeeeeeeahhhhhh!!! Go Lakers!!”

    (repeat process every year)

  40. buckyhamm says: Jan 19, 2016 1:33 PM

    “We mutually have agreed not to publicly discuss details of this or any future meeting.”

    But upon exiting the meeting Stan exclaimed …Wow Spanos is a cheap bum !”

  41. skinnylegspeytonmanning says: Jan 19, 2016 7:42 PM

    The day where Marky Davis showed up for bidding negotiations wearing a beanie and holding his lucky rabbits foot was the day the Chargers buried him.

  42. kingpel says: Jan 20, 2016 10:36 PM

    seven2k says:
    Jan 19, 2016 12:02 PM

    Raiders>Chargers and Rams in L.A. this is known.

    Lets stop lying to ourselves. Rams do not have a winning team and are years away from competing.

    Raiders have some years ahead of them. Couple bad in game decisions and the Raiders would of been a playoff team.
    …………………………………………………………………………..

    On Nov. 30, 2014 the Rams beat the Raiders 52-0.

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