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Jon Gruden thinks NFL should get rid of instant replay

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick, whose Patriots dynasty was propelled by an instant replay reversal in the famous Tuck Rule Game, loves instant replay so much that he proposes making everything reviewable. Unsurprisingly, the coach who lost the Tuck Rule Game doesn’t love replay so much.

In fact, former Raiders coach Jon Gruden, now an ESPN analyst, said in an interview with Men’s Fitness that he believes the NFL should do away with replay reviews completely.

I would eliminate all of it,” Gruden said. “Everything’s disputed now. Was he inbounds? Was it a turnover? It’s taken the juice out of the stadium. There are too many timeouts. Let the people on the field officiate and hold them accountable. Look, there’s going to be some bang-bang plays that have to be officiated. And who’s going to make the decision? The instant replay man in New York City?”

Gruden is right that some “instant” replay delays take way too long, and it can get tedious for the fans in the stadium to have to sit there waiting for the referee and the New York officiating office to make up their minds. But his proposal is never going to happen. The league has shown interest only in expanding the use of instant replay, not in reining it in and certainly not in eliminating it. Instant replay is here to stay.

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  1. imodan says: Jan 21, 2016 12:03 PM

    Preach brother!!!! Can’t agree more.

  2. kurdishpats1 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:04 PM

    Dumbest thing I have ever heard. As if the refs don’t already control the outcomes of games enough.

  3. kuantan97 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:07 PM

    Agreed. The rule book needs to be drastically simplified too. The constant replay stops, splitting of hairs, and endless debating have gotten old.

  4. upperdecker19 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:08 PM

    He clearly hasn’t announced a Jeff Tripplette or Jerome Bogar officiated game…….

  5. musicfootballprogramming says: Jan 21, 2016 12:09 PM

    “The instant replay man in New York City?”

    FFS why not?? It would be far quicker than putting a ref under the hood in potentially horrific weather. They NY official is also unaffected by bias of the game flow, whether he was attached to the original call, and the crowd reactions, all of which influence ref decisions without them knowing it.

    Just don’t let Goodell or anyone else from the front office into the replay room.

  6. Bob says: Jan 21, 2016 12:09 PM

    Gruden is completely right. I have gotten to the point where I’m not sure I will renew my season tickets just because of the tedium of games these days. The extra point-timeout-kickoff-timeout is the worst and replay decisions, which sometimes last longer because they wait until TV gets back from commercial to announce the decision, are way too long.

  7. dsigrey says: Jan 21, 2016 12:09 PM

    Just the opposite should be done. Make everything reviewable

  8. superpatsfan4 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:09 PM

    If he wanted it so badly then what he should’ve done was be a proponent of making referees a full-time job back in January 2002 when he got hosed (correctly I might add, but hosed nonetheless) The rule my friend and I always use during the inevitable 12m break during game is ‘was that a “Catch/Drop/Fumble” in the backyard’. It needs to be either or….all in and just about everything reviewable or all out…and we know which way that will go because in the end…….THE LONGER THE GAME, THE MORE ADVERTISMENTS CAN BE BROADCAST AND THAT BRINGS MORE $$$ TO THE LEAGUE.

  9. mack2x says: Jan 21, 2016 12:09 PM

    I’d rather watch a commercial waiting for a review, than to hear Gruden talk even more than he does now.

  10. drunkraider says: Jan 21, 2016 12:10 PM

    sorry chucky i cant agree with you on this one!

    without replay the Raiders would get screwed even worse than it is now on bad calls.

    no thanks.

  11. indymarc says: Jan 21, 2016 12:11 PM

    I would rather the game called correctly than the game played quickly.

  12. redrew says: Jan 21, 2016 12:11 PM

    Then how will Roger push the buttons to decide who wins? Oh yeah…I forgot….try to frame QBs and tell the world the Ideal Gas laws don’t apply in New England

  13. dcmichael88 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:11 PM

    Eliminating replay would at least resolve the catch/no catch issue. If it looks like a catch on the field it would be called a catch. End of story, move the chains

  14. urmomsmyho says: Jan 21, 2016 12:12 PM

    I agree, get rid of replay.
    Even with replay noone can agree on what is a catch vs. a non-catch.
    Replay was supposed to eliminate controversy, when in fact, it’s actually increased it.

  15. packer4life4ever says: Jan 21, 2016 12:12 PM

    I would like to see receiver push-offs review-able, like the one Gronk did in the KC game for their first TD.

  16. ctiggs says: Jan 21, 2016 12:13 PM

    The tuck rule was the biggest mistake in the history of the NFL. If that did not happen would brady or belicheck be who they are would Gruden have ever left Oakland?

  17. In Teddy We Trust says: Jan 21, 2016 12:13 PM

    “Look, there’s going to be some bang-bang plays that have to be officiated. And who’s going to make the decision? The instant replay man in New York City?”
    _______

    Yes. He’s the one with the best view.

    Things happen way too fast for the officials to get every call right, even if they weren’t mostly incompetent. Everyone in the stadium and at home can see the replay and know if the call was right. Why shouldn’t the officials be able to do it?

  18. PokeSalad says: Jan 21, 2016 12:13 PM

    My question is….

    ..if tennis and hockey, for example, can use lasers and so on to determine in/out calls, why can’t football? Here in the 21st century, no one can figure out how to put a laser or something similar down the goal line to determine if the ball “broke the plane?” Or down the sidelines? Or over the tops of the goalposts for field goals?

    Really?

  19. jpiro says: Jan 21, 2016 12:13 PM

    As long as the fans at home (measured in the millions, not thousands) can see errors in officiating, instant replay is a necessity.

    Improving replay is a great idea. Eliminating it is idiocy.

  20. Nofoolnodrool says: Jan 21, 2016 12:15 PM

    Preach brother!!!! Can’t agree more.

    That’s two dummies who agree. Never happen.

  21. cuda1234 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:15 PM

    Did you just use ‘Jon Gruden’ and ‘men’s fitness’ in the same sentence?

  22. patsxsaintsfan says: Jan 21, 2016 12:15 PM

    I would just stop watching honestly. The refs are bad enough wanna talk about the PI On the packers when Rodgers chucked it out of his end zone the play before 4th and 20 and the announcers pointed out it was a terrible call. The refs are lucky the pack got lucky or people would be talking more about that call.

  23. araidersfan says: Jan 21, 2016 12:16 PM

    The officials are as incompetent as they were when instant replay was instituted so the need for instant replay is still there. I’ll give major kudos to an ex-HC who has the guts to say that the league should have properly trained full-time officials rather than the inept moonlighters they’ve always employed.

  24. patsxsaintsfan says: Jan 21, 2016 12:16 PM

    For my earlier post it was their lack of a call on PI not their calling of it

  25. therealraider says: Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    Instant Replay has reversed a very high number of terrible calls on the field, I do agree that referees need to be held more accountable, if we’ve learned anything this past season, it’s that Instant Replay should probably be expanded not retracted.

  26. pamperpro says: Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    I was a fumble

  27. bkostela says: Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    Why not just take the refs off the field, hire a Riot Squad to keep the players from fighting, and officiate everything from the booth?

  28. RavenzGunnerz says: Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    Human errors should be part of the game. Players make errors. Referees should be allowed to make errors. Let’s get the game going.

  29. musicfootballprogramming says: Jan 21, 2016 12:18 PM

    “And who’s going to make the decision? The instant replay man in New York City?”

    For pumpernickel and jelly’s sake, why not?? It would be far quicker than putting a ref under the hood in potentially horrific weather. The NY official is also unaffected by bias of the game flow, whether he was attached to the original call, and the crowd reactions, all of which influence ref decisions without them knowing it.

    Just don’t let Goodell or anyone else from the front office into the replay room.

  30. dlindstedt2 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:18 PM

    Just streamline the process if that is the biggest turn offs.

    Have one person watching every game, and determine the outcome of the play faster. Its not that difficult, and something that the NFL couldn’t afford.

  31. irkjames says: Jan 21, 2016 12:19 PM

    Can Jon Gruden just be quiet and watch the games he doesn’t want to coach in anymore?

  32. lgw91s says: Jan 21, 2016 12:20 PM

    Belichick has it right. Keep the amount of challenges the same, but increase the scope. Still has to be indisputable proof to overturn. And with the possibility that more plays can be overturned, offences move quicker.

  33. skooter519 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:20 PM

    It might have been ok years ago to get rid of instant replay but I don’t trust the officials anymore. It would be too easy for Goodell to influence the refs to influence the results of the game. It has to stay now just to keep the refs honest.

  34. joetoronto says: Jan 21, 2016 12:21 PM

    Lol

  35. averagjoe says: Jan 21, 2016 12:21 PM

    Why would the NFL give up instant replay, and the frequent “further review”? Those long delays while officials confer with New York means more time for commercials. Money, baby, money!

  36. eliwinsnyg says: Jan 21, 2016 12:21 PM

    He clearly needed a snickers before he uttered that statement

  37. hendawg21 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:21 PM

    I think ESPN should get rid of Jon Gruden…

  38. factman66 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    That was a the worst call in NFL history. Al Davis swore for years it was payback by the NFL for his lawsuit many years back.

  39. spammerscrammer says: Jan 21, 2016 12:24 PM

    And people complain now about bad calls deciding games? Wait until commissioner Gruden takes over.

  40. shomershabbos says: Jan 21, 2016 12:25 PM

    Wow. Incredibly stupid take. The quality of officiating is at an all-time low. There should be more instant replay not less.

    The idea of eliminating instant replay altogether is incredibly idiotic.

  41. joegill576 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:26 PM

    I can’t believe I’m saying this. I agree with Gruden. The flow of the game is gone. We demand part-time officials “get it right ” and if they don’t, we demand replay be expanded. It seems to be an inability to accept the results of the play. On an unrelated note, I wonder if Gruden still calls Peyton Manning “The Sheriff ?”

  42. pocketsstraight says: Jan 21, 2016 12:26 PM

    Keep instant replay — getting the call right is paramount.

    Simplify the rules so that the group reviewing the plays can make the right call in a timely manner without controversy.

  43. tedmurph says: Jan 21, 2016 12:26 PM

    The speed of the game and ineptitude of referees is always gonna result in some bad calls. But, with roughly 40% of challenges resulting in overturned calls, I think the small delay is worth getting it right. Maybe if the NFL clarified and/or streamlined the rules(NOBODY knows what a catch is anymore) and hired fulltime refs so they can train them better(like not knowing the batted ball rule), they’d be less blown calls. That might result in less need to challenge.

  44. kingpel says: Jan 21, 2016 12:28 PM

    How about the NFL start investing some money into this problem with a review official at every location who is actually watching the game as it unfolds. The moment a play is in question he would have already been examining it so the on field official will be receiving an quick answer as soon as he grabs the headset.

    Plus the “football move” needs to go. Simplify what a catch is. Two feet and control is good enough for me.

  45. cs-lewis says: Jan 21, 2016 12:29 PM

    I agree 100% the game is too damn long. Commercial after every touchdown, replay after every turnover, replay after every score, commercial after every kickoff. The game is getting so damn slow. I wouldnt be surprised if they started doing comercials after EVERY DAMN PLAY.

  46. fleaman1381 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:30 PM

    I’m a fan of Gruden’s (for entertainment value, didn’t think he was that great of a coach), but this is pretty stupid. Especially after this particular season where even with replay the refs got a lot wrong.

  47. solo681 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:32 PM

    There is no problem with Instant Replay, but there is a problem with not having Full Time Professional Refs and by all means get rid of Blandino.
    NFL Rules should not be left to multiple different interpretations from game to game.

    Instant Replay is not for Microscopic Biology either. There must be CLEAR, Indisputable, easy for anyone to see, evidence for a call to be overturned.
    A WR foot grazing the very edge of the white line is NOT out of bounds.

  48. jimmyt says: Jan 21, 2016 12:32 PM

    Ref’s are wrong too much and way too biased. It’s the only way to keep them honest. really need to start reviewing all the “personal fouls”.

  49. ranlgon says: Jan 21, 2016 12:33 PM

    Instant replay helps the honest referee get the call correct and it some what keeps the biased/dishonest ones in check.
    The more things that can be reviewed, the less the biased/dishonest referees can dictate who the winner is.

  50. boondockstlrssaint says: Jan 21, 2016 12:34 PM

    “… and hold them accountable” is the biggest part of the story, in my opinion.

    Replay is here to stay, like it or not. As such, I agree with BB: make everything reviewable. Let’s get it right. That said, there’s absolutely no reason for a review to necessitate minutes of debate, whether it’s the on field officials or NY. If, upon *one review the call was obviously correct/incorrect, we surely don’t need the drama that occurs from trying incessantly to find every single angle and opinion to consider whilst we all sit and wait.

  51. legion1937 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:34 PM

    Everything should be reviewed upstairs & the game only stopped when something is found. That way the coaches don’t stop the game for non reversals. The Flow would be better.

  52. whatjusthapped says: Jan 21, 2016 12:35 PM

    Given the HD technology in place today, I would mandate that any disputed call needs to decided in 60 seconds. At the end of 60 seconds, either reverse the call or it stands.

    That will take out the delay excuse.

  53. Richard Dickson says: Jan 21, 2016 12:35 PM

    I remember watching a Bengals game a few years ago and Chad Johnson made this amazing touchdown catch that had the stadium going absolutely berserk. But wait; replay, and a ten minute conversation about whether the very tip of his toe was out of bounds when he caught it. All that athleticism and excitement wiped out over something that you had to slow down and freeze frame to see.

    We got calls wrong before replay and life went on. Good teams overcame them. Bad teams used them as excuses. Now, we just delay the bad calls by a few minutes for replay.

  54. preposterousstatementtournament says: Jan 21, 2016 12:37 PM

    Instant Replay itself is not the problem. The problem is the NFL uses it as an excuse for another TV Timeout.

    The vast majority of the time watching on your couch you know the result within 10 seconds/one replay. If they had someone in the booth who could just signal down, it’d be a very fast process. But it’s just another scheme to force in another advertisement.

  55. redrew says: Jan 21, 2016 12:38 PM

    Why the need for officials, the Broncos will target knees regardless

  56. jag1959 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:38 PM

    The only way to reasonably eliminate replay review from the game now would be to eliminate it from broadcasts as well. Has Chuckie forgotten that fans seeing blown calls on TV and on jumbotrons was what forced review on the league in the first place?

  57. deeboy says: Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    If the object is to get it right, they need to eliminate the rule that the challenge must happen before the next snap. Perhaps 2-3 plays or a set amount of real world time (1-2 minutes). If the call is reversed, whatever happens afterward is voided and the game is reset to that point.

    It is painful to watch a team hurry to the LoS to run another play when they know they just benefited from a wrong call.

  58. beastsportsnetwork says: Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    Eliminate instant replay?

    The only way that’s possible is to get rid of all the tv cameras. As long as an event is broadcast on tv, the audience will be able to review all the mistakes that happen.

    If the whole world can review each play and second guess each decision, its absurd to not allow the officials to do the same. Why should these guys be put in the position of having their mistakes become national news, angering fans, and media pundits alike, and not be allowed to fix those mistakes.

    The key with replay is training the officials how to use it properly. Calls should not be overturned unless there is conclusive evidence that the original call was wrong. Many officials do a great job of understanding this….a few need a bit more work.

    If Gruden really wants to improve the fan experience while watching football, I have a fairly simple solution. Resign. Its time to go back to being the mediocre coach that you are. Better to ruin one team’s season, than to ruin every Monday Night broadcast.

  59. bstngrdn says: Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    The techno-Genie is long since out of the bottle. No turning back now. The best bet is to simplify the rules as much as possible and then use the technology to determine what actually happened as opposed to what someone thought they saw.

  60. nopepper123 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    And we all wonder why Jon isn’t coaching. Maybe it’s not been his choice. If we have learned one thing about instant replay, it captures the correct call or more importantly doesn’t let a wrong call to exist. Instant replay actually has done wonders for the NFL. Interesting too……..watching replays of challenged calls also has made it more fun for the fans. Maybe Jon wants to eliminate the Yellow First Down line on TV also?

  61. bigwalt2990 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    Good idea…leave it all in the hands of officiating, they always get it right………

  62. ickky says: Jan 21, 2016 12:42 PM

    Just get rid of the tv timeuts. Then there is plenty of time for replay.

  63. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:43 PM

    The problem with replay is that you’re breaking things down into something like 1/30th of a second with each frame, and the result is that the tiniest thing in a fraction of a second can negate a big play that should not be negated.

    You see things the human eye can not see in real time, and while sometimes that’s good often its a bad thing because common sense might say “that’s a catch no question”, but that 1 single 1/30th of a second frame where something is off can cause things to be overturned.

  64. intrafinesse says: Jan 21, 2016 12:44 PM

    I DVR the games and NEVER watch them real time. So I’m OK if they take 4 hours. And I don’t like attending game sin person.
    I like the instant replay, because incorrect calls harm the game. It’s a way to get a better product.
    One way to reduce the number of frivolous challenges is tally the number of incorrect challenges over a season. If they exceed a thresh hold institute some punishment, like a public spanking.

  65. zeke2517 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:45 PM

    Jon Gruden’s act is wearing a little thin for me. To be honest, it bums me out when my team plays on Monday Nights.

  66. ranlgon says: Jan 21, 2016 12:46 PM

    kingpel says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:28 PM
    How about the NFL start investing some money into this problem with a review official at every location who is actually watching the game as it unfolds. The moment a play is in question he would have already been examining it so the on field official will be receiving an quick answer as soon as he grabs the headset.

    Plus the “football move” needs to go. Simplify what a catch is. Two feet and control is good enough for me.

    ——————————————————————

    Many calls now that are called incompletions because the football move wasn’t completed, would be called fumbles under the two feet and control rule.

    Belichick stated that he thinks the league philosophy has always been that they would rather have an incomplete pass than a lot of catch-fumbles.

  67. tomtravis76 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:47 PM

    Take the challenges away and have the league hire officials to watch every play much like college and let those officials signal down to the on field officials a play needs to be looked at again. The goal is to get the call correct, to eliminate mistakes. Everyone wants the game to be ruled fairly for both sides,let the best team win not because they got away with some missed calls.

  68. packmanfan says: Jan 21, 2016 12:48 PM

    If they are going to keep replays around and if they are now allowing coaches to question calls that involve the ball, then why not let them also question penalty calls as well?

  69. quinzze says: Jan 21, 2016 12:48 PM

    The same call happened that year VS the jets but Vinny got the call not Brady… Stop crying about it you all sound pathetic.

  70. metalman5150 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:49 PM

    Jon is a wise man but the customer wants equal and fair officiating, though out all games, and when a call is wrong, we want the officials to reverse the mistake or correct it.

  71. peopletrains says: Jan 21, 2016 12:50 PM

    The NFL should adopt both the college replay system and overtime rules…

  72. midenginerearwheeldrive says: Jan 21, 2016 12:52 PM

    Yes, the games are too long and yes, the review things are nonsense.

    But that doesn’t solve the larger problem of the bad officiating on the field.

    I get it – it’s hard. It’s easy for us to see it on TV with a great angle. Refs have to see it at eye level – in real time action. With crowds of large people in piles.

    I’ve ref’d a couple of youth (squirt level) hockey games and even with slow tiny kids, it’s NIGHT and DAY different then watching in the stands. Can’t imagine how hard it is on the field.

    That said, there’s an army of officials and each has a specific job on what to look for.

    IF the quality of officiating on the field was better, I could understand, but until then, replay MUST be here to stay.

  73. abqpacker says: Jan 21, 2016 12:52 PM

    I generally can’t stand Jon Gruden, but I’ve been saying this about instant replay for years.

  74. davemc617 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:52 PM

    “My question is….

    ..if tennis and hockey, for example, can use lasers and so on to determine in/out calls, why can’t football? Here in the 21st century, no one can figure out how to put a laser or something similar down the goal line to determine if the ball “broke the plane?” Or down the sidelines? Or over the tops of the goalposts for field goals?

    Really?”

    If putting camera in pylons is beyond their budget, do you really think they’re going to splurge for all that?

    As long as they’re raking in the dough, they don’t care about the quality of the product.

  75. TheWizard says: Jan 21, 2016 12:54 PM

    Some good points here on both sides except for the tuck rule trolls.

    It was the correct call.

    That is all.

  76. pastabelly says: Jan 21, 2016 12:54 PM

    They could administrate it better, but the goal should be to get the calls right, especially the crucial ones.

  77. rutledge3197 says: Jan 21, 2016 12:55 PM

    College rules & OT SUCKS!!… It’s a joke !!!
    If anything simplify the rule book similar to what the NHL does … Their replays are decisive & quick

  78. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 21, 2016 12:56 PM

    ctiggs says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:13 PM
    The tuck rule was the biggest mistake in the history of the NFL. If that did not happen would brady or belicheck be who they are would Gruden have ever left Oakland?

    Yeah, that one call is responsible for NE being this good for this long.

  79. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 21, 2016 12:57 PM

    I’m Ben Dreith and I approve of no oversight on referee calls.

  80. mmack66 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:01 PM

    pamperpro says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    I was a fumble
    ——————–

    Sorry to hear that.

  81. guachosporlife says: Jan 21, 2016 1:02 PM

    It’s about money. More reviews, more TV timeouts, more commercials…more money.

  82. profish13 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:04 PM

    I don’t know if it’s the replays or what, but I cant get through most games anymore. The home experience feels like it consists of 2 minutes of football, 5 minutes of commercials, and repeat.

    The games feel way too long and the constant breaks really hurt the action.

  83. patfanken says: Jan 21, 2016 1:05 PM

    GOD! am I tired of old Raiders whining about the Tuck call. Of all the miss calls and bad calls and non-calls we’ve had over the years to complain about, THAT call was the RIGHT call.

    If you want to complain it was was a bad rule, OK. But it was a rule nonetheless and it was called correctly…and had been called several time during the year including a call that COST the Pats a game against the Jets earlier that year.

    What made the play infamous was the ignorance of the announcers who didn’t know the rule, and never explained what happened to the audience. Believe me, I’m a Pats fan and at the time I had no clue why they got the ball back. Later, AFTER it was explained, the attitude of most Pats fans was “bad rule, glad it was in there”.

    BTW- If the rule was so bad, why did they keep it in the rule book for around another decade. I don’t hear Ravens fans complain about all the PI’s they in their favor got their Superbowl year because of rules changes that made it smart to throw the ball down deep to covered WR’s because there is good chance a PI will be called.

    The fact is that the Tuck rule was a RULE. The play was called correctly. This is not debatable. The Pats happened to be the beneficiary of a rule that time. It just happens. Every team gets a couple each year.

  84. fjbuon says: Jan 21, 2016 1:06 PM

    Amen.

  85. Rdog says: Jan 21, 2016 1:06 PM

    That would make things worse… The reason everything is disputed is because every play has an instant replay on TV in HD with good camera angles. Eliminating replay reviews would just make fans more angry when they can clearly see that a call was wrong, but refs wouldn’t be able to do anything about it.

    It’s the fans that cause the problems… Look at almost every single comment section about almost every single game this year, and there are comments blaming it on the refs. These refs’ lives would be in danger if replay review was taken away.

  86. rutledge3197 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:06 PM

    Man the Patriots are awesome !!
    One title in the last 10 years. !!!
    Wow

  87. ranlgon says: Jan 21, 2016 1:07 PM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:35 PM
    Given the HD technology in place today, I would mandate that any disputed call needs to decided in 60 seconds. At the end of 60 seconds, either reverse the call or it stands.

    That will take out the delay excuse.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..

    I like that idea.

    Today’s football is almost like watching two different games. One is in real time at game speed and the other is an extended slow motion from multiple angles with freeze frame with the ability to run the play over and over.

  88. ju8686 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:10 PM

    Dead on Guach …

    I’ve been saying that for years. The rules get more complicated every year so they have to review more plays. Not only does it allow them to manipulate the game to keep it interesting, but it also allows for more commercials.

  89. mmack66 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:11 PM

    Judging by some of the comments, I’m surprised they were ever able to play football before the advent of instant replay.

  90. bayousooner90 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:12 PM

    Not sure I fully agree with him, but it does slow down the game and it seems The more they expand instant replay the worse the officiating gets on the feel, refs have a fall back.

  91. kerzondax says: Jan 21, 2016 1:13 PM

    The problem isn’t replay it’s the complicated rules. So he thinks those skip off the ground and catches wrongly ruled a catch should stand? How big a moron must you be to think you should get rid of replay.

    Make some efforts to simplify the rules.

    Of course Grudy works at ESPN. He’s a fool.

  92. dejc421 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:14 PM

    beastsportsnetwork says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:39 PM

    Eliminate instant replay?

    The only way that’s possible is to get rid of all the tv cameras. As long as an event is broadcast on tv, the audience will be able to review all the mistakes that happen….
    ____________
    That’s the only way it would work … it would definitely cut down the fan’s comments sections on every single game. Good or bad, replay is here to stay.

  93. Ed Desautels says: Jan 21, 2016 1:19 PM

    Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube after 50 years.

  94. silvernblak says: Jan 21, 2016 1:19 PM

    That’s goes for any professional sport. That’s what makes it a sport that needs officials. Really, officials should only be there to stop team Brazil’s and flagrant fouls. This ticky tax officiating pisses me off! Grudges is right! The two that fuels this dumb ass debate is Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels! “Uh, oh, looked like the ball may have moved a millimeter going to the ground, that’s going to be turned over” what the hell is a catch? What is passing interference again? Let the players play and call the obvious foul, fumble or drop. Replay is really a replay on the officials call, so why have them at all. Just do the game from the booth and have one official throw a flag when New York tells him too!!! Joke!

  95. steelpenguin6687 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:21 PM

    Instant replay, in its current form, should be eliminated. From week to week, a ruling in one game will be ruled totally different in another game….

    The only thing IR has done, is create more revenue for the league, as they run two or three more ads in that time space…lol

  96. bobsnygiants says: Jan 21, 2016 1:26 PM

    it stinks, and the NFL has to many bodies working in that NY office.

  97. roadtrip3500 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:26 PM

    The delays aren’t helped by the fact that the networks now all leave for commercials, and the ref isn’t permitted to make his announcement until they return.

    For those who have never been to a stadium, there is a guy on the sideline who comes to the edge of the field any time TV goes to commercial, and the referee’s responsibility is to watch him. When that man steps back away from the edge of the sideline, that means TV is back and the ref can proceed with the game.

    In other words… it’s all about the Benjamins. The networks can sell a few extra spots for replay reviews to cover the ridiculous billions they pay the NFL.

  98. tavisteelersfan says: Jan 21, 2016 1:28 PM

    Hadn’t occurred to me. Now that it has. I agree.

    We used to argue and dispute onfield calls. Now we argue and dispute replays.

    Lets live with a little error in the game and move on. Ten times the fun and no one pretending anything is perfect.

  99. baldbuc says: Jan 21, 2016 1:28 PM

    Mike Renfro disagrees.

  100. bullcharger says: Jan 21, 2016 1:29 PM

    Nice idea to make the game more fluid again, but the replay will still be played to the fans. Every bad call will be scrutinized. How many plays are there when a receiver makes a catch and it is called OB and the replay shows he got his toes down. That could be a game changing play. No way they can go back to sticking with the refs call and having everyone know that it’s the wrong call. People will just stop watching if it’s not reasonably fair.

    Also, Belichick’s suggestion has nothing to do with his love of replay. He want’s to simplify what has become a complex rule on what can and cannot be challenged. At the same time fixing PI calls/non-calls, which are currently the most game changing bad calls that are made.

  101. artvan15 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:30 PM

    We should get rid of Jon Gruden.

  102. sammievee says: Jan 21, 2016 1:32 PM

    Get rid of instant replay, a pretty lazy way to deal with the perceived problems. If it is broke, simply fix it.

  103. switchwitch59 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:32 PM

    pamperpro says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    I was a fumble

    —————————————–

    I’ll take your word for it, but you shouldn’t put your daddy’s business on the internet.

  104. varangia says: Jan 21, 2016 1:34 PM

    Problem is, that some players and teams get calls. I would agree if you replace the refs with robots.

  105. mogogo1 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:35 PM

    The core of the problem is that the rules are needlessly complex which leads to more and longer replays and causes general confusion with everybody, including the officials. Fix that and things would improve immediately.

    But the NFL needs to come up with a vision for what replay looks like long-term . Despite what some believe, having everything reviewable will never work–not if you want to keep the game watchable for the average fan. Games are endless now between constant reviews and the obligatory commercial breaks. The quest to triple-check every single call would kill the game.

  106. bullcharger says: Jan 21, 2016 1:35 PM

    intrafinesse says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:44 PM

    I DVR the games and NEVER watch them real time. So I’m OK if they take 4 hours. And I don’t like attending game sin person.
    I like the instant replay, because incorrect calls harm the game. It’s a way to get a better product.
    One way to reduce the number of frivolous challenges is tally the number of incorrect challenges over a season. If they exceed a thresh hold institute some punishment, like a public spanking.

    —————-

    I respect your opinion, but to me the live aspect of it is what makes it great, and if I can go in person it’s even better.

    I like replay, but they need to continue to find ways to speed up the process.

  107. jjackwagon says: Jan 21, 2016 1:36 PM

    Keep replay and change OT rules. Make OT just field goals. The teams get to kick field goals starting at the 25 yd line, moving out 5 yds each time until someone misses.
    or maybe they should just get penalty kicks.

  108. steelpenguin6687 says: Jan 21, 2016 1:37 PM

    Something I would rather see changed before Replay is the 30 to 50+ yard pass interference call because the defender touched the receiver with his fingernail…lol

    If the league is not going to change that rule…it certainly needs added to the “ability to challenge” list…

  109. ampatsisahypocrite says: Jan 21, 2016 1:39 PM

    What they need to do is get rid of the cheating, like what Manning did with his shady slide Sunday. Now it’s come out that he told Sanders to be “ready” for it. Nice way to get the defense to freeze so you can rack up the cheap yards. And of course if he had been hit while on the ground that would have been a penalty on the defense, so you win either way!

    Ball deflating, QBs abusing the give-up slide rule… what is the league coming to?

  110. bullcharger says: Jan 21, 2016 1:39 PM

    dcmichael88 says:
    Jan 21, 2016 12:11 PM

    Eliminating replay would at least resolve the catch/no catch issue. If it looks like a catch on the field it would be called a catch. End of story, move the chains

    ———

    For me they just need to side with the receiver more. I rarely hear people saying “That wasn’t a catch”. It’s always the other way. Just a slight refereeing adjustment where if it’s controversial it you side with the receiver and we are good.

  111. trickbunny says: Jan 21, 2016 1:49 PM

    Nope. The NFL, especially under Goodell, is not trustworthy anymore. Eliminate replay and you absolutely will see refs trying to influence the outcome of games.

  112. superpatriotsfan says: Jan 21, 2016 1:52 PM

    ITT:

    People who downvote agreeing with Gruden are Pats fans who love the Tuck Rule and wish it would come back.

  113. barryblogs says: Jan 21, 2016 2:03 PM

    Eliminating Replay would require NFL to hire full time, in-shape officials trained to the highest level. Not gonna happen.

  114. 1nationraidernation says: Jan 21, 2016 2:03 PM

    thats because the nfl has rules that contradicts other rules, so they can justify any call at any given time, and screw whatever team they want to. As example of the fumble from brady on the charles woodson hit. If anything the meed to get rid of the final two minute league reviews where once again the league can decide when and if they want to review it. No matter what the team who has not challenged a play at all during the course of the game should be allowed to challenge a call in the final two minutes.

    The worse thing is having the networks bring on these retired refs who just try to say the nfl has rules that can contradict any call, but almost 100% of the time agree with the call on the field. (except turnovers which replay confirms)

  115. briang123 says: Jan 21, 2016 2:04 PM

    He’s still mad about the Tuck Rule game. Please.

    And recall, this is the same guy who has said during a game that a clearly incomplete pass should be upheld because of how pretty the catch was.

  116. crush22 says: Jan 21, 2016 2:12 PM

    No

  117. cross300 says: Jan 21, 2016 2:18 PM

    Keep instant replay and do away with the officials. The officials make so many mistakes that are bailed out by instant replay it would be a disaster to do away with good technology.

  118. p6one6 says: Jan 21, 2016 2:22 PM

    Why do you need instant replay? How about last week’s pass that clearly hit the ground and the officials called it complete.

  119. chillyball says: Jan 21, 2016 2:22 PM

    No more replay — just give the coaches 3 challenges per game.

  120. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 21, 2016 2:22 PM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jan 21, 2016 1:39 PM
    What they need to do is get rid of the cheating, like what Manning did with his shady slide Sunday. Now it’s come out that he told Sanders to be “ready” for it. Nice way to get the defense to freeze so you can rack up the cheap yards. And of course if he had been hit while on the ground that would have been a penalty on the defense, so you win either way!

    Ball deflating, QBs abusing the give-up slide rule… what is the league coming to?
    =
    No one but Ma Nature deflated anything. Prove otherwise.

    Oh that’s right, you can’t and neither can Exponent or Roger or Ted.

    The Manning slide? Cheating? Nope, no flag, no cheating, right? Marino faking a stop the clock spike? Cheating, nope, no flag.

    Both are really really slimey but since they aren’t Brady people love them for it.

  121. Emmanuel Goldstein says: Jan 21, 2016 2:24 PM

    Intant Replay represents the BEST way to hold Refs accountable.

    And Jon Gruden is incapable of speaking without everything being a question.

  122. tylawspick6 says: Jan 21, 2016 2:34 PM

    No. That’s crazy.

    Here is what you do:

    1. Fire ROger Goodell because he’s destroying the game i love for selfish, greedy reason$.

    2. No more ref union. Dissolve the union.

    3. If the pay is going to say the same, get younger and better refs as FULL TIME REFS.

    None of this all expenses paid, par time gargbage making six figures. It’s an outrage.

    I could to that job BETTER than they do for that money, easily.

    Some of them don’t even know the rules and/or never played the game, so they have trouble quickly diagnosing what is a penalty and what isn’t.

  123. vetdana says: Jan 21, 2016 2:34 PM

    They NY official is also unaffected by bias of the game flow, whether he was attached to the original call, and the crowd reactions, all of which influence ref decisions without them knowing it…..ARE YOU KIDDING !…NY unaffected by bias !
    If you think that…I have a very nice Bridge for sale at a very good price !

  124. dexterismyhero says: Jan 21, 2016 2:50 PM

    What’s next. Robots calling ball and strikes in baseball?……………………………Oh wait………..

  125. tedmurph says: Jan 21, 2016 2:50 PM

    hypocrite man to star in new sequel: Grumpiest Old Men. ‘The steelers lost(again), and I’M ANGRY’.

  126. bergencountyjc says: Jan 21, 2016 2:54 PM

    “Let the people on the field officiate and hold them accountable. ”

    But we’ve tried that and we know especially after the last couple seasons that it gets us nowhere. It’s about making the right call.

  127. jdillydawg says: Jan 21, 2016 3:00 PM

    Instant replay is a joke.

    Unpopular stance, but seriously, this is a game that still uses two poles and a string to PRECISELY mark where the ball was down. And now they’re reviewing that crap too.

    Next season, I expect I’ll be able to play 18 holes on a public course in LA when the football game starts and still be back for the second half.

    And I bet I get lunch in too.

  128. ebdug says: Jan 21, 2016 3:04 PM

    Reviews are getting quicker. They’re still learning the process but it’ll speed up more.

    Most of the longer delays involve crucial decisions. We need the league to get those right. Let Goodell throw in his commercials. Time is of no essence when the game is on the line.

    Fans don’t care how long it takes. There not flinching in their seats hoping to watch Mike and Molly.

    You can bet whenever you see complaints about the length of games, it’s the advertisers and TV networks initiating it.

  129. richcranium2112 says: Jan 21, 2016 3:05 PM

    Replay adds layers of complexity and the game has not evolved with the technology.

    They can’t get it right with the technology.

  130. mbarta99 says: Jan 21, 2016 3:09 PM

    get off my lawn…

  131. hockeyflow30 says: Jan 21, 2016 3:11 PM

    The solution is to address the efficiency of the process, which is terrible.

    It should be done at NFL HQ by dedicated staff.

  132. ragnarthegreat says: Jan 21, 2016 3:14 PM

    everything is on TV now. You would need to take down the jumbo trons and hire body guards for the officials.

  133. logast says: Jan 21, 2016 3:23 PM

    Gruden needs to go away. I am so sick of hearing the man speak. Makes watching games almost unbearable. Just listening to him contradict himself one play to the next is painful.

  134. vanmorrissey says: Jan 21, 2016 3:23 PM

    Its not the replays its the management and administration of them. NFL has screwed it up. The original point was that the refs should be able to call them immediately as the replays shown to viewers is shown within seconds of the play. The NFL has interfered much like the government, is it this, is it that, does this apply, does that apply? They’ve overextended themselves to the point they’ve made it inept.

  135. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 21, 2016 3:27 PM

    p6one6 says:
    Jan 21, 2016 2:22 PM
    Why do you need instant replay? How about last week’s pass that clearly hit the ground and the officials called it complete.

    Did what they could to help KC,

    Catch, run & fumble ruled incomplete, helped KC
    Brady clear TD rules out at the 1, helped KC
    Apparent interception ruled complete, changes field position by 30+ yds, helped KC.

    Predicting at least this many bs calls this weekend. Roger is terrified that NE will be on the winners riser this weekend and in 2 weeks.

  136. tonyromo1sbl says: Jan 21, 2016 3:33 PM

    Lets hope your wrong and Gruden’s right. Super slo mo DISTORTS what is actually happening. A ball can move slightly in slow motion and the call is incomplete even though the receiver ends up with the ball in his possession. We know what a catch is.

  137. theclebrowns says: Jan 21, 2016 3:35 PM

    Yep. And motorsports will rely on a guy at the finish line to tell people who won.

    I like Jon, but this is not his best suggestion. Instant replays allows the officiating crew to get it right.

  138. rcali says: Jan 21, 2016 3:39 PM

    Jon is starting to sound like the “Non-vaccination” crowd.

  139. patriotsticketssince1978 says: Jan 21, 2016 3:41 PM

    As a guy who sits in the stands I don’t mind replay at all. The stadium screens have fantastic resolution and the reviews are shown for the most part. It passes quickly. The problem delays are the standard TV delays after some kickoffs and some changes of possession. They suck.

  140. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Jan 21, 2016 3:42 PM

    Besides the ridiculousness of this statement, we all realize that NFL referees will never be put i. a structure where they will ever be held accountable and therefore trustworthy for games to be left in their hands only, So your statement is double silly your tuck trauma and all…

  141. pondbridge says: Jan 21, 2016 3:52 PM

    Chuckie, Chuckie, Chuckie. Steve Sabol is rolling in his grave.

  142. charliecharger says: Jan 21, 2016 4:01 PM

    It’s hard to take anything Gruden says seriously. This is also proof that Gruden never wants to coach again. Some people want to do away with cell phones and computers too. Progress is happening, whether we like it or not. Maybe Jon wants to ride in a horse and buggy across the country instead of taking an airplane.

  143. jdillydawg says: Jan 21, 2016 4:06 PM

    Instant replay isn’t a foolproof method for getting the call right.

    Instant replay is great for teams to study midweek to improve their play, but it has no place in a game. Everyone likes to blame the refs for their team losing, but the reality is, teams are going to win or lose because they either played better or worse. Sure, there may be a game here or there, but in the grand scheme of things, it will all even out.

    Instant replay won’t improve upon that.

  144. booboo31 says: Jan 21, 2016 4:12 PM

    I agree with Gruden. The game can get painfully slow sometimes especially towards the end of a game. The last 5 minutes can be longer than the entire 1st quarter. Some reviews must be replayed like touchdowns but these challenges of ball placement or getting a first down can be painful. Yes those can be critical calls but just leave it to the refs and keep the game going

  145. mmack66 says: Jan 21, 2016 4:13 PM

    After reading all of the comments, the answer is pretty clear.

    Everyone wants more Blandino.

  146. dok1066 says: Jan 21, 2016 4:17 PM

    Everything should be reviewable.

  147. seahawksbmx says: Jan 21, 2016 4:20 PM

    Love Gruden, but this is a ludicrous proposal. The play that is known for bringing replay back is still the best reason why it should never go away.
    For the 6 of you out there that don’t know what I’m referring to, Google ‘Vinny Testaverde helmet touchdown.’
    That play single-handedly prevented the Seahawks from making the playoffs that year, which in turn cost head coach Dennis Erickson his job and led to Mike Holmgren coaching the Seahawks for the next decade.
    Hmm, maybe Gruden’s onto something here after all.

  148. zampft says: Jan 21, 2016 4:22 PM

    Wasn’t replay supposed to get rid of all you jock-sniffers whining about your team losing? Seems to have done the opposite.

    Every play now I expect lawyers for both sides to come out and Greta Van Sustren to comment on the merits of each case. I love football, but it’s just a game you idiots. It’s not like the outcome means anything. You act like Poland falls to the Nazis because one ref blew a call on whether another man was stepping on a line or not. Lighten up.

  149. squared80 says: Jan 21, 2016 4:34 PM

    Dumb.

  150. collectordude says: Jan 21, 2016 4:34 PM

    Agree 100%.
    The way the game is now is just way too boring.

    IR should only be used on questionable turnovers & if a receiver was in or out of bounds.
    For TD’s it should only be used if a player has scored or was stopped short of the goal line.

  151. immafubared says: Jan 21, 2016 4:37 PM

    I don’t mine instant replay what I mind is the moment, the nano second, that moment in time that is beyond all measurable comprehension, except to the advertisers, that they know a replay is in order, they flash to 15 commercials all with blaring music and nauseating content.

    Then they come back and give the commentators 1.2 seconds to explain in freeeekin detail what took place.

  152. fwippel says: Jan 21, 2016 4:38 PM

    That will happen at the same time hell freezes over. Far too many mistakes would go uncorrected. The benefits far outweigh the costs.

  153. tahnoonzee says: Jan 21, 2016 4:41 PM

    Do they actually call New York or Las Vegas?

  154. crazyallives says: Jan 21, 2016 4:48 PM

    I can’t agree more. It’s ruining the game. The NFL likes it though because it creates drama and suspense.

    The only people I hear saying the game wasn’t better before replay are the people too young to remember.

  155. senatorblutarsky says: Jan 21, 2016 4:49 PM

    Gruden: “Look, there’s going to be some bang-bang plays that have to be officiated. And who’s going to make the decision? The instant replay man in New York City?”
    ___________________

    Uhhh … Yeah.

  156. goodellclownshow says: Jan 21, 2016 5:04 PM

    The tuck rule was payback for the phantom roughing the passer on Stabler on 4th down in 76 div playoff game that sent them to their 1st superbowl…the tuck rule was oaklands price…

    Tyree’s catch was NE’s price forthe tuck rule…things have a way of evening out…

  157. physicsgeek58 says: Jan 21, 2016 5:10 PM

    Roger Goodell and ignorant owners and coaches are ruining the NFL. To those of you who say that you want all calls to be correct no matter how long it takes, instant replay doesn’t get all of the calls correct! They are still only 50/50 when it comes to instant replay. We watch games and see these stupid replays over and over and can see exactly what the so-called NY expert see’s, yet they make the opposite call making players, coaches, announcers and fans scratching their heads. It’s great to hear Mike Carey tell us during a game that the replay call should go one way and then hear the actual call go the other. If he’s your game time expert that the announcers in the booth ask for advice, who’s in NY looking at the replays? How can two separate so-called experts make different calls from the same play? Life isn’t perfect, referee’s aren’t perfect and instant replay isn’t perfect. It won’t ever be taken away, but it should be. They wanted it so it would help make the game perfect and speed things up. It’s far from perfect and slows games way down. Why do all sports want things perfect all of the time? I’m not a big Gruden fan, but he’s right on the money with this one! Hey Goodell, there’s probably a way to fine Gruden for his comments. After all, how dare anybody criticize your beloved billion dollar franchise! Goodell sucks!

  158. mmack66 says: Jan 21, 2016 5:15 PM

    goodellclownshow says:
    Jan 21, 2016 5:04 PM

    The tuck rule was payback for the phantom roughing the passer on Stabler on 4th down in 76 div playoff game that sent them to their 1st superbowl…the tuck rule was oaklands price…

    Tyree’s catch was NE’s price forthe tuck rule…things have a way of evening out…
    ——————

    The Patriots tuck rule was payback for the Jets tuck rule that went against the Patriots earlier in that season.

    The Raiders are on their own.

    The Giants got lucky.

  159. benfranklinshat says: Jan 21, 2016 5:27 PM

    And then get rid of the Department of Energy!

  160. midenginerearwheeldrive says: Jan 21, 2016 5:48 PM

    Ok, you stand there. I’ll do the ‘juggling ball’ thing.

    Umm, your mic is on!

  161. gnizzle says: Jan 21, 2016 6:00 PM

    Ed Houculi and his arms are 100% in favor of eliminating replay.

  162. nosesisepuede says: Jan 21, 2016 8:48 PM

    Gruden is WRONG….. Much rather wait 2 extra minutes and get a call right than go by the call on the field. A significant numbet of calls are reversed hwnce the need for the instant replay. I guess if it was up to Gruden tje NF should go back to leather helmets and two-post goals. Go with the times and embrace technology.

  163. gisellichek says: Jan 22, 2016 10:58 AM

    Instant replay is to officiating what spell & grammar check is to MS Office… If you take the spell check out of the software , you make the writer responsible for his errors.

    Issue is… its now relied on it too much. Getting the call correct is what matters.

  164. phillyphanatic77 says: Jan 22, 2016 11:43 AM

    Of course an analyst who sits through these long games would say this. I’d imagine if he was back coaching he’d change his mind as soon as an egregious call went against him again. Replays take way too long but they’re necessary.

  165. ilovefoolsball says: Jan 22, 2016 7:22 PM

    No matter how tedious the replay system is, it will never be as boring as watching baseball.

  166. footballfan80 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:33 AM

    The NFL should eliminate all challenges, not instant replay. The point of replay is to get it right all the time or at least as much as possible, so why make it into some game where you get a certain amount of challenges and can get an additional one depending on if you get it right or wrong? Every single play should be reviewable either upstairs in the booth like college football or all decided offsite like in hockey (although hockey did add the one coaches challenge). Heck even the NFL has all plays reviewable upstairs in the booth for overtime. The NHL, NCAFF, and NFL overtimes all work fine with all the replays done upstairs or offsite.

  167. mellimac says: Jan 26, 2016 11:45 PM

    Silly comment. Getting a play right is the point of instant replays. Instant replays are not the problem. The rule book is the problem. Slim it down and simplify, especially catches.
    The game has gotten so fast, most of the refs can’t really see some of the plays anyways…they guess, and leave it up to the replay.
    I am in favor of coaches challenges on penalties (just 3 per game). That would speed up game, as refs would keep their flag in their pocket…

  168. swagger52 says: Jan 28, 2016 9:03 AM

    They need to stop adding rules on the fly to help the Patriots – tuck rule. And they need to stop adding rules on the fly to hurt Detroit – Calvin Johnson maintain control to the end of the play.

  169. wildbill1952 says: Jan 28, 2016 3:18 PM

    Do this. Give the official 3 minutes to rule on every contest play. If they can’t see something in 3 minutes, then play stands as called.

    And fire the officiating team that did the call/ pick up the flag/no-call on Dallas against Detroit last year.

  170. chawk12thman says: Jan 28, 2016 4:32 PM

    I really have not been bothered at games when replays are being used…..In fact, it has been fun looking at the big screen and trying to dissect what in fact the ruling will be…..
    I find it harder to take at home, given they cut to commercials all the time…….

    Generally, I like the Replay Rules and want the Ref and crew to get it right……Tweaking the rules to help the game flow better would be nice…..adding a layer in NY seems okay too as long as it is too get it right and it doesn’t stop game flow……..

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