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John Elway understands Peyton Manning’s transition, first-hand

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Broncos boss John Elway knows it when he sees it.

It’s hard for aging quarterbacks to maintain their standard of play, to do things the way they used to, and when playoff losses pile up over the years, it changes the way people view you.

Also, he sees Peyton Manning.

Perhaps no one knows as well as Elway the spot the Broncos’ current quarterback is in.

It is hard. And it is hard, the older you get,” Elway said of his own career, via Mark Kiszla of the Denver Post. “And it is harder, . . . all of a sudden to make that adjustment and start relying on other people, when you’ve relied on yourself for so long to be that guy who’s going to pull the trigger and be that guy in big games that has to pull it out.

“There is a transition to that. And it is tough.”

While the perception of Elway in the playoffs is buoyed by his two Super Bowl wins to close a career, his postseason numbers are similar to Manning’s and worse in some ways.

Elway’s playoff record was 7-8 before winning his final seven playoff games, and his postseason passer rating of 79.7 is rather unremarkable. Manning has a 12-13 record all-time in the playoffs, with an 88.0 passer rating in the postseason.

So Elway understands that by the time his team won Super Bowls, it wasn’t necessarily about him.

“When we won those two championships, what was the formula?,” he said. “The formula was to play good defense and really, offensively, it was about running the ball.”

That sounds familiar, and Elway the executive understands that perfectly well.

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27 Responses to “John Elway understands Peyton Manning’s transition, first-hand”
  1. jjb0811 says: Jan 22, 2016 7:57 AM

    Read Freeman’s article yesterday on Bleacher Report. He basically said playoff winning records don’t matter. Baloney! Elway is remembered for 2 wins not for 3 losses. Had he not won at all, he’d be like J Kelly, good but a choker.

  2. pastabelly says: Jan 22, 2016 7:58 AM

    In truth, that’s really what separates Brady/Montana from Manning/Elway. Manning really didn’t even play all that well in his one Super Bowl win. Elway’s were won by defense and Davis’ great two years running behind Denver’s great offensive line. I’m not suggesting that Manning/Elway weren’t great quarterbacks. They were. They just didn’t play playoff football on the same level that Joe Montana and Tom Brady have.

  3. The collective IQ of the haters is lower than the PSI of Brady's game balls says: Jan 22, 2016 8:08 AM

    So we should anticipate salary cap violations during the Manning era in Denver? That’s what Elway is talking about, right?

  4. chatttty says: Jan 22, 2016 8:12 AM

    Elway was no where near the crutch Peyton is today. Elway was able to scramble and throw the ball over 20 yards. patriots by 2 tds

  5. lscottman3 says: Jan 22, 2016 8:13 AM

    maybe manning can go back to indy and become the GM?

  6. quizlingclinic says: Jan 22, 2016 8:24 AM

    Broncos need to cheat the salary cap again to get Manning another championship

  7. Great Caesar's Ghost says: Jan 22, 2016 8:29 AM

    Yep. If the Broncos had taken the ball out of Elway’s hands and made him more of a game manager in the 80s, maybe they had a chance not to get blown of three Super Bowls.

  8. ikeclanton says: Jan 22, 2016 8:41 AM

    The Broncos won’t score enough against the Patriots this weekend for that to work.

    Eddie “Welcome to the Gun Show” Hochuli will have to help them out. That’s why he was assigned to this game.

  9. streetyson says: Jan 22, 2016 8:44 AM

    Elway “When we won those two championships, what was the formula?”
    ———————-
    Answer: Multiple massive salary cap violations, twice resulting in the worst fines in the history of the game. Haters love to put asterisks on titles, but those two really are deserved.

  10. broncofanssuck says: Jan 22, 2016 8:47 AM

    The formula was a illegal roster by cheating the salary cap.

  11. jayhawk6 says: Jan 22, 2016 9:18 AM

    Elway was the better athlete, but Manning is a smarter football player and probably not given to cheating.

  12. fredegrar says: Jan 22, 2016 9:28 AM

    “Capgate” is such old, boring news. People like to pretend it led directly to two Denver SB wins, but that’s nonsense. The cap violations were used to build a stadium, not stack the team, and that stadium didn’t even break ground until after those Super Bowls.

  13. lscratchingthesurface says: Jan 22, 2016 9:31 AM

    Soaping uniforms is also something Mr Elway understands first hand.

  14. 2ruefan says: Jan 22, 2016 9:40 AM

    @jjb0811
    Your comments and attitudes are the sole reason people HAVE these silly misconceptions.

    Jim Kelly as an example… labeled by you as a “choker.”

    The guy plays his team to FOUR super bowls.. IN A FREAKING row.

    And his TEAM gets outplayed by more complete teams in the SB, and your tired, over-simplified assessment is that Kelly “choked.”

    Your ideas are essentially a microcosm of what is wrong with sports-fans in this country. That the ONLY measure of success is if you win the final prize and nothing else you ever did matters at all, and somehow taints you.

    Kelly MAYBE “choked” in one of those games. The other ones were simply teams that outplayed and out-coached the Bills. No “choking” was involved. The guy was as confident and assured as any QB who ever played the game.

  15. friarjack61 says: Jan 22, 2016 9:45 AM

    Time, always, takes a toll. This is a team game, so maybe the team, will play as it should, and help guide Payton, to a win ?

  16. tajuara says: Jan 22, 2016 9:47 AM

    Broncos need to cheat the salary cap again to get Manning another championship

    ———————————————————

    Maybe they should do what Kraft does, you know, pay millions of dollars to a company that operates in Gillete Stadium, and then have this company move those millions into Brady’s bank account as “sponsorship”. Yep, that’s not a cap violation.

  17. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 22, 2016 9:58 AM

    Is that Elway’s barn in the background? I can’t tell.
    🙂

  18. broncofanssuck says: Jan 22, 2016 9:58 AM

    “Capgate” is such old, boring news. People like to pretend it led directly to two Denver SB wins, but that’s nonsense. The cap violations were used to build a stadium, not stack the team, and that stadium didn’t even break ground until after those Super Bowls

    Yeah right bronco fans find any excuse to try to take the asterisks off of thier trophies. Guess what no one is buying it so you should stop selling it.

  19. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 22, 2016 9:59 AM

    The guy plays his team to FOUR super bowls.. IN A FREAKING row.
    —-

    That says a lot more about the quality of the AFC at the time than it does about Kelly.

  20. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 22, 2016 10:15 AM

    Yep, that’s not a cap violation.

    And the NFL agrees it’s not.
    🙂

  21. factman66 says: Jan 22, 2016 10:30 AM

    That says a lot more about the quality of the AFC at the time than it does about Kelly.
    ****
    Except Kelly is in the HOF.

  22. mototax says: Jan 22, 2016 10:39 AM

    Jan 22, 2016 7:58 AM
    In truth, that’s really what separates Brady/Montana from Manning/Elway. Manning really didn’t even play all that well in his one Super Bowl win. Elway’s were won by defense and Davis’ great two years running behind Denver’s great offensive line. I’m not suggesting that Manning/Elway weren’t great quarterbacks. They were. They just didn’t play playoff football on the same level that Joe Montana and Tom Brady have.
    ================
    I agree on most of your points but respectfully disagree on Elway. Like Brady, not many people can name Elway’s backs or receivers early in his career when the Broncos went to multiple SB’s. Does Sammy Winder ring a bell? Gerald Wilhite? Elway carried those teams with some amazing QB play but in the end fell short because the NFC entrants were just better teams. Way better! No team was going to beat the 1990 49’rs that ransacked the Broncos 55-10. The broncos were just the unfortunate AFC representative.

    You’re absolutely correct that in the end, having Davis rush for 2000 plus yards along with a solid defense made Elway’s exit better than it might have been. And—give him credit for exiting at the right time!

    Good discussion!

  23. jjb0811 says: Jan 22, 2016 10:55 AM

    Bills had HoF coach, QB, WR, RB & DE to go along w/ Tasker who many voters say should be in for special teams. 5 HoF and maybe 1 more.

    Giants had LT
    Skins Gibbs
    Cowboys 4-5 HOF

    CHOKE!

  24. skinnylegspeytonmanning says: Jan 22, 2016 1:01 PM

    In truth, that’s really what separates Brady/Montana from Manning/Elway. Manning really didn’t even play all that well in his one Super Bowl win. Elway’s were won by defense and Davis’ great two years running behind Denver’s great offensive line. I’m not suggesting that Manning/Elway weren’t great quarterbacks. They were. They just didn’t play playoff football on the same level that Joe Montana and Tom Brady have.
    ___________________________________
    So Elway was MVP of his last SB because of the defense??

  25. lanman11 says: Jan 22, 2016 4:27 PM

    What he meant was, it was about violating the salary cap by paying players like himself with cash AFTER retirement, so they could stash more pro-bowl players on their roster than anyone else, creating a “competitive advantage” for the Broncos, and violating the integrity of the game in a way that actually mattered. Those Super Bowls belong to the Falcons and Packers. **

  26. mototax says: Jan 22, 2016 5:21 PM

    skinnylegspeytonmanning says:
    Jan 22, 2016 1:01 PM

    So Elway was MVP of his last SB because of the defense??

    =================
    The Denver defense held Atlanta to just 2 field goals up until the 4th quarter and then Denver outscored them 17-13 in the 4th. So yeah, the defense did their part and no, Elway was not MVP because of the D. He was MVP because of 300 plus yards passing, but the D had a lot to do with his success.

    He’s my favorite QB of all time but he couldn’t win SB’s by himself in the early years. But he came close… :o)

  27. pennyannquintana says: Jan 23, 2016 6:01 PM

    I am tired of all this garbage. Manning is a better quarterback. He proved that in the first seasons with Denver. John Elway never broke records like that and I believe it was more of the coaching than Manning’s fault losing the first SB appearance with Denver. John Fox did not know how to prepare for such a big game. However, going to the other extreme of making Manning a game manager and running the ball is the answer either. Most of the final teams playing for the SB offensive lines have a passing game some not so much even a running game. Elway is catering to Kubiak’s offensive strength using the West coast. The games are slow and drug out slug out until the end. The games are low scoring will that cut it against New England? Probably not, I think Manning in the end will take control of the offense because we are now playing Brady and he has all of his weapons. In addition, hoodie will be up to no good trying to beat because they lost to Brock last visit. John Elway is not like Peyton Manning they are too different QBs. I believe that Manning still does have it to play and he can throw the ball deep. No excuse but the foot injury impacted his play at the beginning of the season and that is what people are judging him on right now. Peyton can play and he could of played better at the beginning of the season if not injury. Elway and Kubiak will play as they see fit running the ball with that be enough to beat the Patriots probably not as NE will stuff the run up the middle so like it or not Denver PM may have to pass the ball, only he can beat TB and Hoodie by outsmarting them in the game of chess. I personally just have a feeling that PM and the Broncos are going to pull this out because we want it in the worse way much more than NE. Heart and Soul and resilience will win the Broncos this game. Watch PM and the entire team will fight to win and be successful!

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