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Criticism of NFL’s handling of #DeflateGate becomes mainstream

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On Sunday, the NFL will stage the first AFC championship game since the one that gave us #DeflateGate. Starting as a curiosity in the aftermath of the 45-7 blowout of the Colts by the Patriots when Bob Kravitz of WTHR in Indianapolis reported that the league was investigating whether New England used footballs that had less air in them than permitted, the oddity quickly became a hashtag when the league leaked to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen (and later to Peter King of TheMMQB.com and NBC) blatantly false information regarding the PSI measurements of the footballs used by the Patriots.

The reported numbers triggered a presumption that someone had released air from the footballs, putting the Patriots on their heels and justifying the league’s decision to conduct an independent investigation that wasn’t really independent. If the truth had come out as quickly as the falsehood did, the Patriots may have been able to quickly shout down the league and block a full-blown investigation.

The release in May of the Wells report, which included a finding that Patriots employees violated the rules via a scheme to deflate footballs and that quarterback Tom Brady was at least “generally aware” of the situation (Commissioner Roger Goodell found an even greater degree of culpability for Brady through the internal appeal process), caused many to assume that the Patriots were guilty as charged. Some, however, took a more skeptical look at the lengthy report and began to ask questions and otherwise to push back.

The biggest flaw came from the actual PSI numbers and the dramatically conflicting gauges used by the league to measure air pressure. Given the Ideal Gas Law (which emerged in some of the earliest media assessments of the situation but which the NFL admittedly had no knowledge of at the time), the real numbers — not the phony ones leaked to the media — suggested that the loss of pressure can be explained by science, not skullduggery.

Over time, the criticism has become mainstream, culminating in an article from Joe Nocera of the New York Times placing the blame for the situation on the NFL’s failure at first (and refusal thereafter) to realize that the answer to the deflation phenomenon lies in the formula known as PV = nRT. Nocera’s article contains no new information; indeed, he simply summarizes details about which anyone who has followed the case closely has been aware for months. But Nocera’s article will ensure that a broader audience understands precisely what the NFL did to the Patriots.

Many fans of the other 31 teams will continue not to care about what happened to the Patriots, but for the schadenfreude of those fans rooting for teams that regard the Patriots as rivals. But every fan of every NFL team should continue to worry about the type of arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making reflected by #DeflateGate, because their favorite NFL team could be the next to find itself on the wrong end of arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making.

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233 Responses to “Criticism of NFL’s handling of #DeflateGate becomes mainstream”
  1. haydenpryor says: Jan 23, 2016 12:44 AM

    Plus we don’t have a first round pick this year because of it, and that can affect us over the long term more than the proposed Brady 4 game suspension ever could have

  2. drudema says: Jan 23, 2016 12:53 AM

    Ratchet up the hype to fit your message and the sheep will follow. Damn the facts and double down on the misinformation. Refuse to ever admit that you could be wrong and sit on your throne of arrogance.

    Now pay us one first round draft pick.

  3. bleck5 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:54 AM

    The masses are not stupid. It was obvious from the start that the NFL had no evidence and refused to listen to any science.

    Its pleasing to see more and more people fans and non fans alike call the whole thing bologna.

  4. ibelievebrady says: Jan 23, 2016 12:55 AM

    At least more people are starting to see what was obvious to “delusional Pats fans” from the get go – The NFL really was out to get the Pats.

    Now give those picks back.

  5. stoptellingmeaboutyourfantasyteam says: Jan 23, 2016 1:00 AM

    Can we PLEASE stop talking about this already? This is a summary “article” about ANOTHER summary article!

    -Phins fan

  6. milehipigskin says: Jan 23, 2016 1:02 AM

    Amen, Florio.

  7. welltobefair says: Jan 23, 2016 1:06 AM

    We’re still talking about this? Hasn’t everyone already accepted the league made up this witch hunt? I didn’t think there was anything left to debate since science (and any semblance of critical thought) quickly exonerates the Patriots…

  8. veddermn8 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:06 AM

    Wells report and MIT both purported under those conditions, Pats footballs should have been between 11.2 and 11.5 PSI that day. Using both gauges measurements, Pats footballs averaged 11.3. Seems fairly cut and dried right there.

  9. henry53 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:10 AM

    Kind of like the global warming/climate sham. Everyone knows it’s overhyped BS but it’s been out there so long it’s grown legs and become a multi billion dollar industry complete with a massive global bureaucracy.
    Nothing going to stop it now.
    Deflategate is not going away either and the Pats will never get their draft picks back. Thanks for nothing Roger!

  10. wrigleyivy says: Jan 23, 2016 1:11 AM

    Science is cool, but the texts/destroyed phone should be the story

  11. mjs2012 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:12 AM

    Like the Saints in 2012?

  12. wrigleyivy says: Jan 23, 2016 1:13 AM

    Science is cool, but the texts/destroyed phone make the story

  13. doe22us says: Jan 23, 2016 1:14 AM

    Oh boy what are they going to talk about the week leading to the SB.. let it rest, we all know it was a witch hunt, sting operation.

  14. vontazemebro says: Jan 23, 2016 1:14 AM

    I saw it reported right after that Dolan and Grigson could be heard shouting at each other. Never heard another peep. Interesting…

  15. flaccotoboldin says: Jan 23, 2016 1:22 AM

    His name was “The Deflator”. Its not because he was losing weight.

    Brady destroyed his cell phone.

    I mean, really, REALLY have we come to the point where they are the victims here?

    The Patriots are everything that is wrong with America. Greed is good. Cheat to win. All is forgiven. No ethics.

  16. holygamoly says: Jan 23, 2016 1:22 AM

    Yawn. You’re right – nobody cares.

  17. vontazemebro says: Jan 23, 2016 1:23 AM

    15 years of B&B kicking ass and taking names the NFL finally had to step in and try to take them down a peg. Doesn’t seem to be working though.

  18. redlightining21 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:50 AM

    Ah, the prosecution using the media to their advantage…
    Why am I reminded of Prosecutor Ken Kratz?

  19. daytontriangles says: Jan 23, 2016 1:55 AM

    Lost in the rush to judgement is the fact that the Wells Report not only fails to find evidence of Brady’s guilt, but actually exonerates him via the text messages printed in the report.

    People forget or willingly choose to ignore that the “Deflator” reference used by the equipment manager was in relation to a Jets game many weeks prior to the AFC championship game. The equipment manager, in a private text to his fiance, mentions that Brady was pissed off, because the footballs during the Jets game felt “like rocks”. An inspection after the game showed that the officials had illegally over-inflated the footballs beyond the allowed limit and that Brady had specifically asked for them to be set at 12.5 PSI.

    So, when the equipment managers jokingly make reference to “The Deflator”, they are talking about deflating footballs back down to the legal weight Brady asked for, rather than the illegal weight the NFL officials set the balls to.

    Note that in the year that has passed since this incident, there has been no investigation of why the officials illegally over-inflated the Patriot’s game balls during the Jets game.

  20. johngaltx says: Jan 23, 2016 1:58 AM

    Hope the NFL figures this crap out before Brady and Belichek enter the Pro Football HOF.

  21. craignflfan says: Jan 23, 2016 2:02 AM

    Jealous owners and fans don’t care about science. They also don’t care that Roger Goodell lied about Brady’s testimony. They don’t care that the company the NFL hired to conduct the tests is just a hired gun who if you pay them enough will tell you that second hand smoke isn’t bad for you. It’s sad.

  22. truths4all says: Jan 23, 2016 2:16 AM

    Agreed.

    Under Goodell, the NFL has solidly become a stodgy, unimaginative, stupid, petty, vindictive, and totally unethical version of the Keystone Kops, the Three Stooges, Mr Magoo, crazed Commie Dictators Stalin and Lenin, illogical Commie Mao, Elmer Fudd, Brutus the Bully, and eternally chasing its own tail just like Wile E. Coyote.

  23. drgreenstreak says: Jan 23, 2016 2:30 AM

    Some people just never give up.
    It’s not like the Pats have ever cheated before.
    What’s wrong with cheating? No scientist needed.
    The NFL openly promotes gambling. (as long as players aren’t doing it)
    Robert Kraft’s white collar is forever stained with the tears of Tommy Brady.

  24. uknepatsfan says: Jan 23, 2016 2:32 AM

    That’s OK though.

    Its the Patriots. So any deliberate and calculated deception committed under the auspices of “upholding the integrity of the game” is permissable and to be applauded on this occasion.

    The Saints also know what its like to be on “…the wrong end of arbitrary and results oriented decision making”.

    Its a shame neither organization will get their draft picks back despite being clear victims of NFL style ‘justice’.

  25. gwhite13 says: Jan 23, 2016 2:44 AM

    Well written Mr. Florio. A word of warning to all.

    Next time it could be YOUR team.

  26. jaynaseattle says: Jan 23, 2016 3:00 AM

    The NFL loves parity. Goodell managed to take away from the Patriots to lower them to the level of other teams (especially in the AFC) such as the SB dreaming Denver Broncos and Dallas Cowboys. Along the way, he diverted public attention from real issues facing the NFL…

  27. steelbreeze676 says: Jan 23, 2016 3:07 AM

    The truth never cares, it simply is.

  28. dansardo says: Jan 23, 2016 3:21 AM

    The scientific community has almost universally debunked the wells “report”. But for people that hate the pats and the group of teams behind the nfl’s effort to take the pats down this was never about science so bringing up science doesn’t really matter to them. But the rest of us got what happened quite a while ago

  29. bosoxpatsfanincali12 says: Jan 23, 2016 3:39 AM

    Here here!! Too bad chris collinsworth still doesnt get it

  30. swordsedg3 says: Jan 23, 2016 4:01 AM

    Yeah, like the Cowboys and Redskins being penalized for treated the uncapped Year as uncapped.

  31. eljefedelmundo says: Jan 23, 2016 4:04 AM

    Be a good time to drop that 4 week ban on Brady about

    Now!

  32. fishyinalittledishy says: Jan 23, 2016 4:20 AM

    Once the super bowl is done we need to revisit deflategate again just incase we missed something. I am sure many of us have not had enough of it and need more deflategate. Seriously is this ever going to end.

  33. floriotimeisanidiot says: Jan 23, 2016 4:27 AM

    More pandering to the moron patriot fan base. Of course there is no explanation for the “deflator” and his weekly pre-game disappearances with the balls before game time.

  34. filthymcnastyog says: Jan 23, 2016 4:55 AM

    Thank you mike. There are obviously some sane people left in this world.

  35. ovojay says: Jan 23, 2016 5:16 AM

    Lost in court. Brady won. But we still have to hear about this. It’s so repetitive and annoying. But hey, we’re on to Denver.

  36. stipez says: Jan 23, 2016 5:17 AM

    Yes, regardless of how you feel about the Patriots or Brady, EVERY FAN should care about how this was handled. Ask New Orleans.

    And by the way, equipment tampering is a $50,000 fine, not a 4 game suspension. It’s just deflating footballs, your own footballs, a little bit. Get a grip.

  37. spotsdad says: Jan 23, 2016 5:21 AM

    If fans of the other 31 teams truly cared about an even playing field, they would be supporting the Patriots, and admonishing Goodell for this travesty.

  38. ruggerlad says: Jan 23, 2016 5:44 AM

    Tom Brady smashed his phone when asked to view the text messages. End of debate over. Great player, great coaches and yes they cheat. It’s no secret and we’re sick of hearing about it especially those defending them. It is over franchise was punished again for cheating, Tom got away with hit just stop bringing it up.

  39. wattambor says: Jan 23, 2016 5:49 AM

    Lol. Keep trying, fellas. The fact is your favorite team are known cheaters and no matter how hard you try to sway the narrative, it’s not happening.

  40. kelvinmchale says: Jan 23, 2016 6:00 AM

    Great analysis, Mike. The NFL uses tactics popular in East Germany in the 1950s or in organized crime. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Fire Goodell. Drop the appeal.

  41. Don Humphrey says: Jan 23, 2016 6:10 AM

    Fix the Picks.

  42. ithinktoomuchaboutstuff says: Jan 23, 2016 6:24 AM

    Many of the fat cat owners used Roger Goodell to take down the Patriots with the phony deflate gate scam because their teams were unable to beat them on the football field.

    It’s pathetic.

  43. quinzze says: Jan 23, 2016 7:12 AM

    No team will be next because no team can or will do what the Patriots did … Consistently win and be in the hunt for 15 years. It’s that simple the hate/envy from the other owners has been building for a long time and no team will ever match that.

  44. joker65 says: Jan 23, 2016 7:24 AM

    Every time I see or hear someone call them cheaters for deflategate, I know that person either didn’t read all the information or is just happy to be ignorant of the facts.

  45. pointtwopsiistheissue says: Jan 23, 2016 7:25 AM

    Give the Pats back their draft picks!

  46. orndorf2 says: Jan 23, 2016 7:29 AM

    I’m sure Most Saints fans would really have appreciated some justice around the Bountygate nonsense. To take draft picks and suspend coaches, players and the GM!!? That remains the biggest crock that other NFL team fans should fear…..not Deflategate so much.

    Before Bountygate the Saints were contenders, afterwards they’ve struggled.

    Deflategate hasn’t stripped the Patriots of their ability to compete.

  47. logast says: Jan 23, 2016 7:32 AM

    Release the measurements taken from every game this season. If the NFL won’t (and does anyone really expect them to?) then that proves there is no case against New England or Brady.

  48. tonebones says: Jan 23, 2016 7:50 AM

    Even the judge that overturned Brady’s suspension admitted he was guilty. He overturned it because the NFL hadn’t warned Brady ahead of time that if he was caught cheating, he could be suspended. They said the fines and taking away the draft pick was proper punishment for the cheating, but that the suspension was not allowed. The ideal gas law stuff was just someone’s lawyer talking. Lawyers are trained to throw everything against the wall and hope that something sticks. The media knows that if you repeat something enough times, people will believe it. It’s in the media’s best interest to promote controversy. It sells.

  49. metspeed21 says: Jan 23, 2016 7:52 AM

    True. Like the Browns and Josh Gordon. Watch the NFL deny his reinstatement.

  50. zwhateverz says: Jan 23, 2016 7:56 AM

    Remind me again Lawyer Boy how blatant destruction of potential evidence is viewed as helping to vindicate a suspect in the eyes of the “mainstream?”

  51. marvin1958 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:00 AM

    Truth be told, nobody outside of the “mainstream media” gives a rat’s behind anymore. It was a “media only” issue from the git-go and it’s more so now.

  52. eaglealan64 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:08 AM

    I agree the way the NFL has handled this is arbitrary and worrying.

    I also think the Patriots cheated even if you dismiss the readings – there was an employee of the Patriots who called himself the Deflator and had the power to ask for items of value from the team’s QB. That’s a pretty big clue as to what was going on!

  53. streetyson says: Jan 23, 2016 8:10 AM

    But it isn’t just that the league dunces were unaware of basic science. Goodell (and 90% of the media and other teams and fans etc) screamed about integrity, but back in the early days of framegate, Aaron Rodgers stated that he operated just such a scheme to improperly inflate balls and try to get them passed by the refs. When asked why the league wasn’t going to investigate the Packers, Troy Vincent said “we don’t want to overreact”!!! If 0.5psi was so vital to integrity then why not?

    Ravens broke rules by publicly (and wrongly) accusing Pats of cheating. The Colts broke rules twice at the AFCCG (when they brought a needle to the sidelines, and secondly when they tampered with at least one Pats ball). Teams broke rules when they publicly cast aspersions, Goodell committed fraud and slander. Then in week 1, Rothlisberger and Tomlin broke rules by publicly (and of course, falsely) accusing the Pats of cheating. None of them have been fined, suspended or docked picks for breaking the rules, and yet the Pats have been investigated, railroaded in appeal, dragged through the courts, fined massively and docked picks without evidence.

  54. angelwilder666 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:10 AM

    Exactly. People are in such a rush to discredit Brady, that they have lost all sense of perspective. These ridiculous tactics by the NFL could be used against any other team. The league office is not protecting the shield. But someone should be.

  55. chitown12 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:13 AM

    The broader concern is the outright lying by the NFL that continues to this day. This is not a story of #deflate gate…but the lack of moral fortitude within the leadership. The most recent is #ConcussionGate…shaking down and reneging on a multi-million donation to research the issue…then lying about it. Power and Control is most important to this group…truth, fairness and morality have no place with this regime.

  56. kevinoc63 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:13 AM

    I have yet heard where Roger will be this Sunday but let me guess that it will not be in Denver. He can only avoid handing Brady a trophy for so long.

  57. rhamrhoddy says: Jan 23, 2016 8:14 AM

    Before he was injured the season, in the few games he did play in since Deflategate, Luck’s production dropped dramatically while Brady never skipped a beat.

    #3of4ColtsBalls
    #PlayingWithSmallBallsInIndy

  58. losingisnotanoption says: Jan 23, 2016 8:18 AM

    Its still hard to believe that the NFL actually contrived the whole situation to add further punishment to the deflate gate thing and try to level the playing field for other teams, but that’s exactly what is was.

  59. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:21 AM

    A multi billion dollar business of science deniers that can’t pass 5th grade science and whose employees can’t even flip a coin properly.

    Pathetic

  60. redrew says: Jan 23, 2016 8:21 AM

    Goodell lied
    Pash lied
    Vincent lied
    Wells lied
    Grigson lied
    Ravens lied
    ESPN lied
    Mort lied
    Only Tom Brady testified under oath

  61. castlelong1 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:22 AM

    If a guy on the San Diego practice squad smokes a joint, Philip Rivers can be suspended for 4 games because he was “generally aware.”

    You can change that to the Texans, and use Brian Hoyer, although they might like that.:)

  62. spitfisher says: Jan 23, 2016 8:25 AM

    well written.

    Despite the investigation and NFL statements clueless and uneducated fans still get caught up in this, they still believe Tom Brady himself let air out of the balls, while Belichick was holding the ball and Kraft nearby was confirming the pressure on the gauge.

    Some of it is ball busting but much of it is believed.

    One thing I believe is the America and its football fans have come to realize there is far mor important thngs to worry about point 3 air pressure variance on the Patriots and Colts footballs.

    NFL, what a cluster you are.

  63. Unchained81 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:26 AM

    So glad the tide is finally turning. What a disgrace that ridiculous situation is. It is disgusting how badly the Patriots got railroaded.

  64. rootpain says: Jan 23, 2016 8:26 AM

    A year later and nothing has changed. The Patriots are still an elite team that is again frustrating 28 +/- undeserving teams in the NFL. The Panthers and the Cardinals are in the NFC Championship in part because of the effect of parity but also because they are well owned, well coached and good teams. And there is every possibility that one of them may win the SuperBowl this year. The Broncos are there mainly because of luck.
    The Ravens, Colts, Giants and Cowboys did poorly not because of Karma or some other form of devine intervention relating to deflate gate. They were poor teams plain and simple.
    That’s the way it should be by and large.

    Except for Goodell. He and his Park Avenue minions and a handful of jaded owners, but especially him, are still around. Especially him.
    The article implies that he was directed by a small cabal of owners to extract revenge on the Patriots for their continuous success. But I believe that he went further. He went after Brady for the sin of being the face of the NFL rather than Goodell himself. He has everything that Goodell wants in terms of recognition but that Goodell can never ever receive. And that Narcissist behavior by Goodell is what makes him so evil. Goodell is using the power of his position to do what he can to diminish Brady’s accomplishments and minimize his future potential. And what make it most sinister is that he hides behind the the veil of integrity when he doesn’t have an ounce of it.
    I’m sick of the guy. I have less of a concern of Goodell turning his sights on other teams. I believe he is smart enough to know how close he has come to losing it all. And unless Brady sues him for defamation, I’m starting to doubt that Goodell will every be justly penalized. That sickens me.
    As for the Patriots, they have done well this year. In spite of the controversy, they have stayed focused. They have done well in spite of multiple, serious injuries. And they are certainly one of the top three teams fighting for SuperBowl 50 and the team I’m rooting for.
    But the game is just not the same for me anymore and never will be. Goodell has ruined it for me.

  65. jeffberk2014 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:31 AM

    Just read The Times story. As we knew, it was Mein Fuhrer Goodell at his best. The whole thing is a joke. When Goodell hands the trophy to Mr. Kraft I’d love to see Kraft take the trophy with his left hand and punch Goodell in the mouth with his right. just saying.

  66. wrigleyivy says: Jan 23, 2016 8:32 AM

    Science is cool, but the texts/destroyed phone is the story.

  67. dha1287 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:34 AM

    Why break the phone?

  68. Steve From NH says: Jan 23, 2016 8:35 AM

    Goodell lies. Then piles on more lies to cover up the first ones.
    He’s going to testify that a squirrel came to him and revealed Brady’s vast conspiracy to deflate footballs by altering the physical properties of this universe via a gas law which states simply “stuff shrinks when it gets cold”.
    And then he’s going to say that his reasoning may be ridiculous, but that doesn’t matter ‘cuz he’s the Commissioner and the Arbitrator, so what he says goes, no matter what.
    That is his actual argument.
    We have sunk into bizzaro world.
    Loud and obnoxious trumps reason, fact, and rationality.

  69. juice08 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:38 AM

    You’re still the only one that continues to harp on this.

  70. schraged1 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:49 AM

    One thing the NFL proved beyond any doubt is that they are incapable of conducting a thorough investigation that arrives at a conclusion based on FACTS.

  71. tb12x4 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:51 AM

    And Chris mortenson has throat cancer now ….. If people cannot see by now karma is a B ….. Well I am sorry for ya…. Brady and pats are 100% innocent and pats should be getting their draft picks back. And if the pats win the Super Bowl kraft should pull a mark Cuban and don’t take the trophy from that AHole goodell …. Let Russ Francis or teddy Brewsky get it then one of them pass it to kraft…. God I hate goodell he is such a liar

  72. merky19 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:55 AM

    If you are a fan of NFL football (Patriot fan or hater) you really should read todays N.Y. Times front page article on how the NFL mishandled the whole defategate spectacle. It probably won’t stop the junior high school “cheaters” posts but a least it will bring you up to date on Roger’s incompetence.

  73. hairpie2 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:57 AM

    Everyone knows, Rodger. Now how do we get the picks back.

  74. daveydawg says: Jan 23, 2016 8:57 AM

    Thank you.

  75. cross300 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:57 AM

    The other teams are not worried because the reason that this got out of hand is that it is the Patriots. The other 31 are mad that they keep losing and the patriots keep winning. This is their idea of leveling the playing field. It doesnt matter that every year the pats pick at the end of the draft they want to take away a pick. Or stop the greast qb from even playing. You can’t stop greatness.

  76. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says: Jan 23, 2016 9:01 AM

    Criticism of deflatedphonegate was as mainstream as deflatedphonegate the entire time. It’s just dumb to think Tom Brady orchestrated a scheme to remove .1 psi. Still not convinced the footballs were even measured before the game to begin with.

    You couldn’t beat Tom Brady on the field. You couldn’t beat him in the media. You couldn’t beat him in court. You will not beat Tom Brady in his pursuit of a 5th Super Bowl.

    Go pats!

  77. pondbridge says: Jan 23, 2016 9:03 AM

    Great piece, Mike.

  78. dandeman19 says: Jan 23, 2016 9:04 AM

    So the NFL DID frame the Pats Brady et’al. Take that haters

  79. luckyforus says: Jan 23, 2016 9:08 AM

    Seriously does anyone believe a man named the deflator who took the footballs without approval into a restroom and lied about it and then said he used the urinal which didn’t exist. He texted the equipment manager about ball pressure and needles and going to ESPN if he didn’t get paid, etc.

    The science of the ideal gas law cannot be proven because the control environment can’t be replicated. The .3 or .4 psi let out is neglible, but whether you steal $100 or $1 million you are still guilty and your integrity is compromised.

    Guilty as charged. Sorry Cheatriot fans, even though the NFL handled the investigation poorly you’re QB’s legacy is tainted.

    It’s too bad cause he is one of the greatest QB’s ever and he didn’t need to cheat. He must have learned from Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong

  80. section310 says: Jan 23, 2016 9:10 AM

    It was only a matter of time before people could see through the red headed foolish lies…

  81. falsehopenow says: Jan 23, 2016 9:11 AM

    Up next, coin flip gate. Next time there’s a last throw or kick to win a game and it doesn’t quite work, you get a do over.

  82. DrinkingTheDeliciousTearsOfTheHaters says: Jan 23, 2016 9:17 AM

    The biggest farce in the history of American sports. In the old days players would take their beating like a man and tip there cap. Nowadays every whiny little puke comes up with the slightest reason to why they lost instead of looking in the mirror.

    Welcome to the new generation and there never take resposibilty for anything attitude.

  83. egomaniac247 says: Jan 23, 2016 9:30 AM

    Well written article.

    And I agree with the last paragraph, there are clearly those anti Pat, anti Brady folks that are going to put their fingers in their ears and shut their eyes and not believe anything that anyone tells them.

    But for the rest of us (Cardinals fan here with no bias or stake in this story), it’s alarming that the league just went in full-bore with the outcome before they actually studied the thing all the way through.

    ESPECIALLY after how they had literally just handled the Ray Rice thing the same exact way.

  84. kensilisacrook says: Jan 23, 2016 9:30 AM

    Give NE their stolen draft picks back! They didn’t do anything wrong. Goodell, Vincent, Kensil, Pash, and Wells are crooks!

  85. weepingjebus says: Jan 23, 2016 9:30 AM

    Both the NY Times and the Washington Post have repeatedly dumped all over the NFL’s Deflategate lies, which is particularly noteworthy since neither of them are anywhere close to being in Patriots country. But we already had a Nobel Prize winner dump the Exponent report into an analytical chipper-shredder and it still didn’t convince the haters, so look for more psi babbling in the years ahead.

  86. themikegun says: Jan 23, 2016 9:32 AM

    “First they came…”

  87. dickshotdogs says: Jan 23, 2016 9:33 AM

    Boom! So long, Rog!

  88. bigjdve says: Jan 23, 2016 9:39 AM

    I would love to see some of the measurements of this years games, you know when all of the balls from both teams are being tested.

    I would think that if the results supported the NFL’s opinion that we would’ve seen them already. The longer they don’t produce them only furthers the belief that while the Pats are a team that has done dicey things in the past and definitely deserves scrutiny, they are being railroaded.

  89. nro1962 says: Jan 23, 2016 9:57 AM

    Bravo.

  90. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 23, 2016 9:58 AM

    Better late than never I suppose.

  91. hakahakahaka says: Jan 23, 2016 10:03 AM

    Release the results of the NFL’s random testing of balls this season.

  92. beefsbrother says: Jan 23, 2016 10:04 AM

    Maybe the remaining lemming NFL fans can finally understand and appreciate that despite the league’s best efforts, the Pats are in their 5th consecutive AFCC, and the haters have run out of explanations.

    You cannot be this good for this long without simply being this good.

  93. spammerscrammer says: Jan 23, 2016 10:10 AM

    It was a pretty good article. One new thing that I learned was that the technical consulting company hired by Wells to look at the physics of deflating balls is actually makes a living out of being paid expert legal witnesses.
    These same folks that told juries that second hand smoke is not harmful and a little asbestos never killed anyone shockingly reached the conclusion that the footballs were tampered with.
    I am a Patriots fan but not blind to the fact that NFL is highly competitive and all teams look for the extra competitive edge. I was open to the possibility that the Patriots had indeed messed with the footballs.
    But the more I learn about this case the more pissed off I get at Goodell and his cronies. This was always about getting the Patriots, not “defending the integrity of the game”.
    My most ardent hope is that the Patriots lift the Lombardi trophy with left hand and give the NFL the finger with the right.

  94. swineflooo says: Jan 23, 2016 10:11 AM

    Goodell is a joke

  95. jmd80 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:11 AM

    Goodell belongs in prison.

  96. concrete998 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:13 AM

    Great summary… the only thing not mentioned was the Colt’s footballs!

    If someone was to ask Roger Goodell about the Colt’s footballs… how would he respond?

  97. hang3xc says: Jan 23, 2016 10:13 AM

    Roger Goodell could stand at a podium with every news org in the world present and declare that Deflategate was a total sham, and the haters would still believe the Pats cheated.

    They want to believe that the Pats success from 01-07 was due to Spygate and deflated footballs were the reason for their success 08-15

    Whatever.

  98. darcrequiem says: Jan 23, 2016 10:14 AM

    This isn’t the NFL’s first rodeo. They did the same thing to Saints with “Bounty Gate”. They also did the same thing to the Redskins and Cowboys with “Cap Gate”. I can’t be the only fan that has zero trust in the NFL offices after the last 5 years of shenanigans they’ve pulled.

  99. kissmyrings says: Jan 23, 2016 10:15 AM

    The more the truth comes out, the more Rog’s balls get deflated. Gronk says the commish is good at low blows too!!!

  100. classyjacklambert says: Jan 23, 2016 10:16 AM

    Pats should’ve been punished harder for spygate anyways.
    It’s a tainted legacy.

  101. stableinoceanside says: Jan 23, 2016 10:17 AM

    I learned a new word today; “Schadenfreude”- Taking pleasure in the misfortune of others. Attention haters…. knowing what your problem is, is the first step in the healing process.

    I can understand it in another team, especially a rival, but it is unacceptable from someone in authority…I’m looking at you Roger.

    The sooner the league realizes that it let it’s emotions rule it reason, the sooner we can put this behind us, and get back to enjoying football

  102. billswillnevermove says: Jan 23, 2016 10:17 AM

    Old news and who cares.

  103. stl45fan says: Jan 23, 2016 10:19 AM

    Soon to be overshadowed by the “LA Relocation Process”.

  104. orrnumberfour says: Jan 23, 2016 10:21 AM

    How many duped people still actually hold on to the universally discredited notion that the Patriots did something wrong?

    As people wake up to the fraud that Goodell perpetrated, more and more are jumping from the NFL’s ship. Pretty soon no one will be left.

    Brady should sue for defamation. It would be a slam duke win. All he has to prove is malice on the part of the NFL. At this point, that’s a lay up.

  105. whodatfromtheville says: Jan 23, 2016 10:22 AM

    Just like BountyGate

  106. Cunning Linguist says: Jan 23, 2016 10:22 AM

    And yet the league remains determined to perpetuate this farce.

  107. tigerlilac says: Jan 23, 2016 10:23 AM

    Brady and Belichick are so dominate that a cabal of owners and the NFL commissioner conspired together to sabotage the Patriots, taking action to suspend its star quarterback and take away future draft picks. That, in a nutshell, is the real scandal.

    Every American, not just NFL fans, should abhor what the NFL did while admiring the Patriots response, especially that of Brady, who was individually targeted by the conspirators, their cadre of high paid professionals, gullible fans and a media that took the lie and ran with it with virtually no due diligence.

  108. jocko67 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:24 AM

    Even though Vincent and company had 12 back up game balls available after gauging the original 11 Patriot balls during half time of the AFCCG they decided to re-inflate the evidence for game use and not use those backups. If they had only let the 11 come back to room temp the pressures should have stabilized close to were they were set prior to the start of the game. The lone exception would have been the football in the possession of the Colts on the sideline via the interception. There was no secret that the Colt equipment personnel were (illegally)sticking that ball like a witch doctor going after a voodoo doll. Everybody knows that whenever a needle is inserted a little air (and pressure) escapes. I would assume that this is the ball with the most pressure drop recorded. So not only did Vincent and company not have a clue about air pressure they did not even have enough sense to preserve the evidence. These are the people running this league. Simply Amazing.

  109. revren10 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:27 AM

    Why won’t league release numbers for this season? Maybe because it proves the patriots weren’t lying

  110. johnkgc says: Jan 23, 2016 10:28 AM

    Well said, Florio. Unfortunately, the PSI numbers gathered from this season won’t be released and the Patriots’ stolen draft picks won’t be returned due to the stubborn nature of the NFL to seem all knowing and all powerful.

  111. otheirony says: Jan 23, 2016 10:29 AM

    Patriots should get their draft choices back. Why has there not been any action or news on that front? What Goodell did here would get most people fired from other jobs. The league office and Goodell are a laughingstock.

    Reinstate the Patriot draft picks. It’s the right thing to do.

    A PACKERS FAN

  112. babyjunkie says: Jan 23, 2016 10:31 AM

    Another Patriots Super Bowl win, and the commish will promote the LA market like a madman.. anything to try to cover up his blasphemy.

  113. infectorman says: Jan 23, 2016 10:31 AM

    “But Nocera’s article will ensure that a broader audience understands precisely what the NFL did to the Patriots.”

    This all serves to ensure the Patriots will not get a fair/level playing field in Denver tomorrow or potentially in SB 50.

    Anyone who believes Gooofdell will sit back and continue to absorb the truth bombs from all angles (aka as attacks and ongoing votes of no confidence in him and his pack of fraud biased employees) and not do everything in his power to ensure he won’t have to not face Brady, Kraft and Belichick on the podium for a 2nd year in a row is quite simply, stupid.
    He and his cronies come out of this looking increasingly inept and compromised to the point of being “impeached” from the office.

    All the more reason why I am still pissed at Kraft fro caving into that snake-oil salesman and accepting the penalties. It made you look guilty you old fool, regardless of your best intentions.

  114. dexterismyhero says: Jan 23, 2016 10:38 AM

    not really!!!

  115. myteamscoredmore says: Jan 23, 2016 10:39 AM

    Pressure/volume us inversely related to temperature…just release season long data. If there’s still a discrepancy, then maybe there is something to it. I doubt they will unless it’s conclusively in their favor, which sucks as a football fan. The shield is dented, more like a garbage can cover these days

  116. Calikid says: Jan 23, 2016 10:40 AM

    #innocent! Now give us back our draft picks roger.

  117. switchwitch59 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:45 AM

    Doesn’t matter if it’s mainstream, one has to bother to read it to realize the Patriots were railroaded and Pats bashers won’t bother, they like being wrong, it makes them feel better.

  118. ikeclanton says: Jan 23, 2016 10:48 AM

    Once it became clear that the PSI information was false, there should have been an apology for wasting everyone’s time, and a real investigation into who, exactly, would create and perpetuate known lies in an attempt to destroy the reputation of the NFL’s greatest franchise.

  119. patsfiend says: Jan 23, 2016 10:51 AM

    The NFL’s ultra fast response to correct every other leak of info besides the ones associated with framegate tell me everything I need to know.

    And lookee here, Brady and the Pats had hardly any turnovers and are in the AFC Championship game yet again. Win or lose, vindication has already been sweet.

  120. controlaltdeletedeletedelete says: Jan 23, 2016 10:52 AM

    So you’re saying Goodell and Belichick use the rulebook in the same way? Neither violate the letter of the law, just the spirit…and also the letter when it suits them.

  121. chuckshontaspads says: Jan 23, 2016 10:53 AM

    We have science, common sense and mother nature on our side….the haters have but..but…but…they cheat!

  122. dok1066 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:53 AM

    The $$ and draft pick should be returned as well. I wish Bob Kraft had sued the NFL as well instead of being the “good soldier” and not fighting it. As much as I love the game I would rather the NFL had been torn apart and destroyed than allowing the league to continue as is.

  123. peytonwantsaflag says: Jan 23, 2016 10:57 AM

    This all comes down to a grown man (Goodell) trying to prove to his playmates he’s not bff’s with another grown man (Kraft). Goes to show you some people never really grow up.

  124. senatorblutarsky says: Jan 23, 2016 10:58 AM

    The NFL investigation was not stringent enough, not thorough enough and certainly not expeditious enough. Shady’s cell phone should have been impounded immediately as evidence. To have allowed him to destroy the phone the day before he was interviewed is ludicrously incompetent.

  125. db105 says: Jan 23, 2016 10:59 AM

    The NFL is obviously corrupt.

  126. BradyIsTheGCOAT says: Jan 23, 2016 11:03 AM

    They cheated, end if story. The only people that don’t agree are mouth breathers in the northeast.

  127. izzysydbas says: Jan 23, 2016 11:03 AM

    Another “Fair and Balanced” article by the obvious Patriot fan Mike Florio.

  128. rocketloss says: Jan 23, 2016 11:04 AM

    I stopped watching football regularly after this whole scenario. If the league can’t conduct itself in a public manner there is no hope for fair officiating. This past season is proof of that. Terrible officiating.

  129. purplegreenandgold says: Jan 23, 2016 11:06 AM

    Or better still investigate validity of past accusations and there merits…the NFL itself should have checks and balances…not pure autonomy…

  130. pauldeba says: Jan 23, 2016 11:06 AM

    interesting is that many Brady detractors pretend he got off “on a legal technicality”. It is actually the reverse, the NFL argued in front of a federal Judge that he should uphold their suspension on a technicality, that technicality being that Article 46 gives the Commissioner the right to punish, be the arbitrator and not even need to have the facts correct to punish. They argued that in front of a Federal Judge!!! They argued the technicality and the judge overturned based on federal law and common sense.

  131. cincy85 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:11 AM

    The nfl is rigged. To much money involved to not be.

  132. dannyabramowitz says: Jan 23, 2016 11:11 AM

    You nailed it. Deflategate was a fraud based on NO FACTS, it was made up by Goodell. Similarly, Bountygate was another “scandal” made up by Goodell. There was never any evidence that the Saints targeted players. Think about it, Goodell does literally NOTHING RIGHT. From selling tickets to a Super Bowl for seats that didn’t exist, to having the power going out at a Super Bowl, to the handling of the referees lockout, to going after the NFL’s marque player (Brady) the week before the Super Bowl, Goodell is collosally incompetent. He was finally given a lay-up with the Ray Rice situation, presented an opportunity no human being could screw up, AND HE EVEN SCREWED THAT UP. The guy is Barney Fife, the Peter Principle on steroids, he exceeded his level of competence when he was promoted to getting coffee instead of donuts. Please NFL owners WAKE UP and get rid of the guys before you permanently damage the league.

  133. timtomandkevin says: Jan 23, 2016 11:16 AM

    People should be afraid of how everyone they know just believed highly untrustworthy sources and got overly angry about a non issue.

  134. norseyapper says: Jan 23, 2016 11:17 AM

    What a fiasco. Obviously their continued pursuit of Brady is stupidity fueled by arrogance, but what about the draft pick? The fine I’m sure is small potatoes for them (although I don’t doubt they would like it back) but taking the draft pick looks more ridiculous all the time.

  135. factman66 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:21 AM

    “Many fans of the other 31 teams will continue not to care about what happened to the Patriots, but for the schadenfreude of those fans rooting for teams that regard the Patriots as rivals. But every fan of every NFL team should continue to worry about the type of arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making reflected by #DeflateGate, because their favorite NFL team could be the next to find itself on the wrong end of arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making.”
    ****

    First of you’re presuming that the Pats are innocent with no evidence to support that other than their a thin plausible deniability defense. Secondly, nobody cares because the NFL lied to fans about spygate and covered-up the Patriots cheating.
    The Patriots are the perpetrators not victims.

  136. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Jan 23, 2016 11:21 AM

    You mean the NFL cooked up this scam? I would have never thunk it!

  137. grogansheroes says: Jan 23, 2016 11:23 AM

    Sooner or later, Herr Goodell will make something up about the team you root for, and you will cry wolf like Pats did. And all the losers will say you deserved it..

  138. tylawspick6 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:24 AM

    Fire and Arrest Goodell.

  139. firecracker87 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:27 AM

    Will this ever go away? Can we just enjoy Football these next few games?

  140. redsoxu571 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:28 AM

    Indeed, the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys have already fallen victim of “arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making”.

    The two teams slightly refused to cooperate with the league’s collusion mandate against taking advantage of an uncapped year, and then were handed an arbitrary punishment by a committee headed by the (supposedly “classy”) owner of one of their top rival teams.

    This may be a sports league, but it operates like a crime syndicate.

  141. tyrannosaurussex83 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:29 AM

    Saints beat Colts in the Super Bowl, BountyGate happens only to be overturned later but well after the damage is done.

    Pats beat Colts in the AFCCG, DeflateGate happens only to be overturned later but well after the damage is done.

    Jeez, what’s the common thread here?

  142. surfinbird1 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:30 AM

    Can I get an Amen.

  143. kayjaysays says: Jan 23, 2016 11:30 AM

    I doubt any other team will be on the wrong end of a phenomenon like DeflateGate. The vast majority of the media knowingly pandered to a Patriots-hating audience like the ratings-whoring cesspool they are despite eventual scientific consensus that there was no wrongdoing.

    No team is hated like the Patriots, and therefore no team will be subjected to such a vengeful smear campaign. And why is no team hated like the Patriots? Because they’ve had an empirically unprecedented level of success over the past 15 years in a league that promises parity, and in a culture where the pervasive sentiment of “it’s not my fault, sue/blame/punish someone else” is paramount, people found comfort in attributing their teams’ losses not to their own inferiority, but to flimsily-evidenced instances of the Patriots bending rules that would have had no effect on the outcome of the games in question anyways.

  144. nbptma1 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:35 AM

    Thanks Mike. Your right. What’s been done by Mortensen and King is absolutely despicable. Mortensen demonstrated that he could have cared less about destroying Brady’s credibility and integrity.

  145. helmetsail says: Jan 23, 2016 11:35 AM

    The league botched the investigation and looks ridiculous. Science can explain away the pressure drops.

    Now, you conveniently leave out what has made Brady look guilty in the eye of the American Public. After the scandal broke, he didn’t say “I didn’t do anything, this is ridiculous.” He said, “let’s wait for the facts to come out.”

    You defend Brady’s decision to destroy (you usually put this word in italics) his phone on the day of his interview. The Deflator is “under stress getting them done”. All to fit your narrative (it is a narrative, on both sides).

    The balls go missing as the ball boy drags the balls into a bathroom so he can pee in a urinal that isn’t there.

    A ton of shady things went down, which you conveniently ignore in favor for your argument that science explains it all away. Brady failed the eye test of the American Public and no one gave him the benefit of the doubt because of Spygate.

    Convenient of you to label all of those who disagree with your position “schadenfreudes”. While science can certainly explain away what happened, you’re relying on faulty controls — e.g. when exactly were the balls logged by a bunch of inept people.

    There was suggestion that Brady may have been pressuring his ball boys over time to stick the needle in the football to let a little air out — even if from 13 to a legal 12.5. And if that’s the case, he continues to lie about it.

    No solid evidence, agreed. But don’t dismiss us who believe some shady **** went down and Brady gets away with it because lawyers are lawyers, and the league is the league, and journalists are journalists.

  146. realdealsteel says: Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM

    The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story.

  147. patsrthegreatest says: Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM

    As well it should be. Looking forward to Brady’s legal emasculating the league In court….again

  148. cafetero1075 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM

    Goodell’s ego it’s what this is about. To me was a non story.

  149. brianyourwordsarehurtful says: Jan 23, 2016 11:42 AM

    No, every fan of every NFL team should not be worried about the type of arbitrary and results-oriented decision-making reflected by #DeflateGate. The NFL only lays that on the Patriots, in the name of Parity, I suppose.

  150. Surf Bandits says: Jan 23, 2016 11:45 AM

    I bought into the NFL lies at first, but once I got to the evidence myself, it was clear the NFL played the public. The media carries a lot of the blame as well considering they pushed the narrative.

    I’m afraid it’s too late, the fans of New England will pay for Deflategate forever.

    I wonder also what the PSI results were in that Vikings/Seahawks game, and now that we all basically know what happened, will NE get their $$$ and draft picks back?

  151. scooter7777777 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:46 AM

    What this NYT story does is basically tell the rest of NFL’s fans that they’re ignorant, biased and jealous of a well-run franchise that survives mass injuries and still fields a team with arguably the greatest QB of all-time and wins most of its games — which is true.

  152. One for the thumb says: Jan 23, 2016 11:47 AM

    #Framegate, we need to start calling it what it is.

  153. richardlbrewer says: Jan 23, 2016 11:49 AM

    One of Joe Nocera’s very good articles. Very high journalistic standard getting to the valid issues in the situation. Good references to back up the information. Great job. … and one of the best concise perspectives on — it just didn’t happen. … and hard-hitting assessment of the NFL’s abysmally rotten performance.

  154. fanofsportsman says: Jan 23, 2016 11:50 AM

    Forgot the psi, they had texts where the ball ‘boys’ admitted doing it!!!~
    Should have been punished more!!

  155. xcflqb7 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:53 AM

    Deflategate is the most prominent manifestation of the insufferable arrogance of Giddell and the NFL as an organization – frankly if this takes them down a few notches and makes them more responsive to real concerns like the crappy Thur games ( teams should have a bye before them) or the London crap then something good might come of this

  156. tony2046 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:56 AM

    The NFL has created an environment of mistrust with the way they have carelessly handled deflategate, the Rice case and various other issues. Was Bountygate or Bullygate handled just as poorly? I now wonder.

    It’s truly unfortunate that we have a game coming up this weekend featuring two historically great QB’s going at it possibly for the last time and we are still talking about deflategate which has now fueled the banter behind HGH neither of which, hilariously, would make a QB great.

    Manning and Brady are great QB’s because they read defenses, make adjustments, quickly find the open guy and above all lead their teams to wins year after year. Boxes of HGH or PSI has nothing to do with their success but unfortunately the NFL , through piss poor management, has allowed it to be a part of the picture.

  157. mogogo1 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:58 AM

    In the article the author even says you would have had to of been under a rock for the last year to not have heard about Deflategate, so even the author is acknowledging this has been mainstream for a long time.

  158. jcus says: Jan 23, 2016 11:59 AM

    Perhaps the Patriots can’t go after the NFL, but Robert Kraft should sue the NFL and Roger.

  159. 1smoothoperator says: Jan 23, 2016 12:06 PM

    Not only has science proved the NFL wrong, but also the play of Tom Brady this year proves he doesn’t need to deflate footballs to win. The NFL spent $5M on an investigation and then rewrote the report to make it look like Brady participated in a scheme. I can’t wait to see Goodell hand Brady the Superbowl MVP trophy.

  160. tomtravis76 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:15 PM

    You would think the networks would have wanted to be all over this during each broadcast by having a sideline reporter measuring a football during pregame, halftime and post game. The NFL made all fans believe that the most important part of an NFL game was the PSI of the footballs. PSI measurements should just be a part of every game now.

  161. gr365 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:20 PM

    Tom will exact some revenge for the hellish off season and the way Goodell tried burning him at the stake!
    1st and 4th round draft picks? When you hire garbage to lie and build a false narrative and the Ideal Gas Law wasn’t even mentioned? Oh, 1 million dollar fine.
    People from NE realize that during the winter we are putting air in the tires, sometimes the feel flat until you get rolling.
    Goodell has lied, misrepresented the PSI #’s and has refused to release those numbers. What does that tell you? You’d think he’d drop the appeal, give back the picks and apologize. That’s what a real leader would do.

  162. dandeman19 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:33 PM

    factually challenged are we? Those texts were in May and were referring to the Jets game where the balls were overly inflated and TB had an absolute fit over it

  163. patfanken says: Jan 23, 2016 12:37 PM

    You don’t have to be a paranoid Pats fan to wonder why PFT is about the only national outlet to comment on the NYT’s article. The usual suspects like BSPN have completely ignored it in order to concentrate on the more compelling story of the week. “crybabygate” (extreme sarcasm)

    I just wish Mike would take the next logical step and question why, after all we know now, the Pats are still losing their first round draft pick. It make no sense to take that way even if they were undeniable guilty, since a $10,000 fine was the previous penalty for all ball tampering charges…if that.

    But its been conclusively proven that NOTHING happened on the night of the AFCCG. Not only that, it has been conclusively proven that a cabal at the NFL offices ran an agenda filled sting operation, they also rigged the investigation. AND the NFL STILL is pursuing it’s irrational prosecution.

    We need PFT to demand Roger explain this total injustice, and he never will until SOMEONE in the national media asks him the question.

  164. dumbaseinstien says: Jan 23, 2016 12:37 PM

    Just more media propaganda funded by the Kraft Foundation. There is no entity that has benefitted more by Brady-cheats actions than the “mainstream” media.

  165. matt2131 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:37 PM

    realdealsteel says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM
    The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story.

    ——–
    That’s right! Who cares if scientific law clearly shows that no ball tampering occurred? Let’s speculate about the meaning of ambiguous dumb texts sent 6 months earlier!

    This would be funny, except it represents the “thinking” of a potential voter, jury member, and fellow citizen. And there are lots more like him. Ultimately not funny at all.

  166. trina16 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:40 PM

    realdealsteel says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM
    The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story

    ———–

    Only problem is that there is no text message, emails, whatsapp, line, or any other type of communication between Brady and McNally. The only “deflator” message (only one message) was written 8 months before the AFC Championship, during the offseason, a time when he was not working at the facility (he’s a part timer who only works home games during the season).

    There is not a worse blind than the one who doesn’t want to see.

  167. 8oneanddones says: Jan 23, 2016 12:42 PM

    Did they hire Ted Wells to investigate those who left the air gauges at the hotel near New England?

  168. youdrivemenutseagles says: Jan 23, 2016 12:43 PM

    We’re overdue for a “gate”. I wonder what the next one will be…

  169. truthdispensary says: Jan 23, 2016 12:50 PM

    Facts:
    1) Text messages
    2) Air pressure of Patricheat balls were significantly less than Colts’ balls
    3) Brady’s press conference, clearly lied (BADLY) his a$$ off.

    Speculation:
    1) gas law

    There is a reason the NFL hasn’t put the temp vs psi measurement ratios in the media. Because doing so would prove that Deflategate was real. I assure you they have ran every test possible by now, and the results prove that the Patriots were deflating their balls. The NFL doesn’t win by proving it, so this turns into a propaganda scheme to alter people’s perception. Are you part of the mindless masses who believes everything you hear from the mass media? Or, are you smarter than that?

  170. trumperz06 says: Jan 23, 2016 12:51 PM

    What we learned during “Deflation Gate”

    Goodell has proven to be a liar !!!

    Mort has no shame !!!

    ESPN has no conscience !!!

    And for the most part… the press has “rolled over”
    probably due to the almighty $$$ that the NFL controls.

    Why are the 345 Park Ave. Stoogies still employed ?

    Why is Goodell still employed ?

    When does the Concussion issues, and the blatant cover up… bite the NFL in the A$$ ?

    What we have learned about Sports, is that corruption is “standard operating procedure” !

    Disappointing to see… but not unexpected !!!

  171. bleedsoe9mm says: Jan 23, 2016 1:01 PM

    that fact that the nfl has and is pursuing punishment for this for brady and the pats is an embarrassment to the world of sports , science and all common sense .

  172. rcosborne59 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:03 PM

    The NFL investigation was flawed and biased from day one and frankly Goodell and his minions should be fired for this and all punishments vacated

  173. nepatriot1 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:05 PM

    realdealsteel says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM
    The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story.
    ———————-
    As had already been stated,this was during the offseason.
    The fact is that science proves that the balls were in specification. Everything else is garbledigook, you have to posses some proof that balls were intentionally deflated below what the rules allow.

    Take steroids for instance. The Steelers of the 70’s won 4 titles with their team geeked out on roids, focus your hate on a real controversy.

  174. patstipoftheiceberg says: Jan 23, 2016 1:07 PM

    Still no explanation for breaking ball protocol and takinng them into a locked bathroom with no urinaldo and no one asks perhaps Deflator tampered with some of the colts balls too.

    They all want to deflect on the science and not the breadcrumbs left and proven by the investigation.

    Remember this human world

    Cheaters always cheat again and leopards never change their spots

  175. patstipoftheiceberg says: Jan 23, 2016 1:14 PM

    Those that want to deflect to steelers

    They had legendary drafts after being bad for 40 yrs…..many of these pts apologists weren’t even born until mid 80s

    The talent they had was unparalleled

    Every team in NFL in 70s and 80s did steroids as NFL didn’t outlaw them

    Pats have been cheating since days of Ernie Adams and they still don’t want to uncover the mess done to the league because it would end it if the full story is ever told

  176. upscaleman says: Jan 23, 2016 1:20 PM

    Brady was saved by a Federal Court judge who didn’t understand the rules of appeal of arbitration awards.

    Further, you’re a moron if you don’t realize that the Pats cheated then, and in Spygate, and probably a number of other things. They are a filthy organization, plain and simple.

  177. helmetcatch says: Jan 23, 2016 1:33 PM

    Patriots have been and will always be Cheaters.

  178. tylawspick6 says: Jan 23, 2016 1:46 PM

    Making Of A Murderer = Deflategate

    Evidence was manipulated and then presented to the public.

    A very, very stupid and naive public.

    I weep for this country’s future.

  179. tedmurph says: Jan 23, 2016 1:47 PM

    Patriots haven’t won back to back Super Bowl since ‘Spygate’.

  180. tigerlilac says: Jan 23, 2016 1:55 PM

    Nothing exposes a lack of intelligence more than believing in deflategate. Of course, most haters don’t believe in deflategate, they just try to use it to tear down a group of men and an organization that have reached he pinnacle of meritocracy.

  181. dannyabramowitz says: Jan 23, 2016 1:58 PM

    Goodell needs to go. He leaked numerous lies to the media to nail Brady, just like he lied about the Saints in BountyGate. He lied about seeing the Ray Rice video. He is thoroughly corrupt, in addition to being a complete incompetent. Federal law considers arbitrator decisions to be nearly infallible and Goodell’s decisions have been so egregious that they’ve been overruled by federal judges 3 times! Almost as bad, he surrounds himself with complete morons, Kensil (I “weighed” the footballs), Troy Vincent (I had no idea cold weather affects PSI), Dean Blandino, failed comedian who becomes head of officials. The utter idiocy never stops with Goodell.

  182. trixiemac says: Jan 23, 2016 1:59 PM

    ruggerlad says:
    Jan 23, 2016 5:44 AM

    Tom Brady smashed his phone when asked to view the text messages. End of debate over. Great player, great coaches and yes they cheat. It’s no secret and we’re sick of hearing about it especially those defending them. It is over franchise was punished again for cheating, Tom got away with hit just stop bringing it up.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Actually, try to keep up — he ‘smashed’ his phone when he got a new one, well after the fact that Ted Wells told him it wouldn’t be necessary. I’m pretty sure celebrities smash their phones all the time what with TMZ poking around garbage cans… So, despite the fact that actual scientific LAW proves there was no crime at all, you’ve decided to convict based on your personal hatred (jealousy is such an ugly thing!), and your inaccurate idea of when and why the phone was gone. Congratulations for joining the ranks of all the NFL’s tools who fell for all their red herrings!

  183. trixiemac says: Jan 23, 2016 2:16 PM

    Oh, and ruggerlad? If you’re sick of hearing about it, you might want to stop reading articles about it. Just a thought.

  184. dingusgenius says: Jan 23, 2016 2:25 PM

    “The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story.”

    You know what really speaks for itself? The lie you just told. There is not a single text message from McNally to Brady. Not a single one. End of story. LOL

  185. nhpats says: Jan 23, 2016 2:29 PM

    Goodell, Grigson and #TheHaters are going to soil themselves when Goodell is forced to hand another Lombardi over to Bob Kraft in a few weeks…. I hope rather than accepting it Kraft, Belichick and Brady just stare at Goodell with contempt until he places it on the ground and leaves the podium

  186. ray5382013 says: Jan 23, 2016 2:38 PM

    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets it’s pants on.

    Winston Churchill

  187. styro1 says: Jan 23, 2016 2:57 PM

    The “Criticism of NFL’s handling of #DeflateGate becomes mainstream” a year late a million dollars and 2 draft picks short. The media wanted this story to be true and so they rode it all the way until the only people who believe it are unanonymous fanboys of other teams posting here, NFL and ESPN employees.

  188. lscottman3 says: Jan 23, 2016 3:01 PM

    the things people want to believe amazing after all the real facts are displayed, the truth gets ignored.

    the texts, too funny, not one text that states deflate the balls under regulation, yet…

    he destroyed his phone, after Wells said he had all he needed, yet….

    Godell, after the hearing decided he no longer was aware, he was part of a conspiracy, based on what?

    just amazing, but in NE we expect this now, people are just sheep.

  189. youknowiknowitall says: Jan 23, 2016 3:06 PM

    Jan 23, 2016 7:50 AM
    Even the judge that overturned Brady’s suspension admitted he was guilty … said the fines and taking away the draft pick was proper punishment for the cheating … the ideal gas law stuff was just someone’s lawyer talking.
    ————-
    All NE fans continue to laugh at the fiction that the haters post.

  190. Della Street says: Jan 23, 2016 3:32 PM

    senatorblutarsky says:
    Jan 23, 2016 10:58 AM
    The NFL investigation was not stringent enough, not thorough enough and certainly not expeditious enough. Shady’s cell phone should have been impounded immediately as evidence. To have allowed him to destroy the phone the day before he was interviewed is ludicrously incompetent.

    ___________

    Wells specifically told Brady he did not need the cell phone as he already had all the records. I know this has been stated before, copied verbatim from the report, but you refuse to read it. Pathetic.

  191. lx2016 says: Jan 23, 2016 5:04 PM

    #hamdog, Hilarious.

  192. fanofpft says: Jan 23, 2016 5:09 PM

    Anything printed in the NYT is considered “mainstream”. Did Billo write this?

  193. sxk129 says: Jan 23, 2016 6:08 PM

    daytontriangles says:
    Jan 23, 2016 1:55 AM

    People forget or willingly choose to ignore that the “Deflator” reference used by the equipment manager was in relation to a Jets game many weeks prior to the AFC championship game. The equipment manager, in a private text to his fiance, mentions that Brady was pissed off, because the footballs during the Jets game felt “like rocks”.

    =====================================================
    The deflator reference was actually in a text in May 2015, in the NFL off-season when neither McNally or JJ were at the Pats facility and the players were on summer vacation.

    The texts about Brady being mad at the ballboys were in October 2015, after the Jets game, when the refs pumped the balls up to 16 psi.
    Brady was not mad because the balls were not deflated, he was mad because the balls were ridiculously overinflated.

  194. tylawspick6 says: Jan 23, 2016 6:39 PM

    ^Which proves the NFL’s own refs are incompetent in managing the PSI numbers.

  195. davidceltic says: Jan 23, 2016 7:27 PM

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    Since the end of the first half of FrameGate:
    Brady 44 Touchdowns, 9 Interceptions.

    And, let’s not forget:
    1. Colts had deflated footballs – page 8 Wells report. Also, who from the NFL office directed to stop testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs???

    2. The NFL has now admitted that they DID NOT know anything about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL).

    3. Brady was found guilty by the NFL office based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report).

    4. Could you or your family accept a guilty designation based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN”???

  196. letmefeelyourlove says: Jan 23, 2016 7:46 PM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Jan 23, 2016 1:11 AM

    Science is cool, but the texts/destroyed phone should be the story
    __________________________________

    Officer: “You’re under arrest for shooting your neighbor.”

    wrigleyivy: “But officer, my neighbor is standing right here. He hasn’t been shot.”

    Officer: “Yeah, it’s cool that he’s standing there. But we know you own a handgun, you were angry when your neighbor blew leaves into your yard last fall, and your nickname is Shooter. As far as we’re concerned, that’s the story. You have the right to remain silent … “

  197. smasonsmith says: Jan 23, 2016 8:01 PM

    No solid evidence, agreed. But don’t dismiss us who believe some shady **** went down and Brady gets away with it because lawyers are lawyers, and the league is the league, and journalists are journalists.
    ===
    Nothing shady happened.

    Nothing happened, at all.

    A guy who was called “the deflator” in March took a leak the following January and forgot what fixtures were in the washroom when he was asked a few weeks later. That’s what you’re hanging this on. Let it go. Nothing happened.

  198. ibillwt says: Jan 23, 2016 8:24 PM

    Troublesome part is everyone too stupid to realize that temp. Affects tire pressure is eligible to drive and vote.

  199. scottbrowning2 says: Jan 23, 2016 8:24 PM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Jan 23, 2016 1:13 AM
    Science is cool, but the texts/destroyed phone make the story
    *****************************************************

    texts/destroyed phone make A story. Science tells it is not a story about air pressure in footballs.

  200. alcottclan235 says: Jan 23, 2016 9:03 PM

    The upside to all of this is that Karma has taken care of most of the people that started this whole charade. The Colts had a horrible season and didn’t make the playoffs. The Ravens lost Jump Ball Joe for the season and finished with a pathetic record. At one point they were ranked 32 out of 32 teams in the Power Rankings. Considering what happened to them, the NFL mafia, Goodell, Wells, Kinsel, and all the other ex Jet execs should be waiting for the other shoe to drop. Karma’s a b*tch boys. You’ll see when Roger has to hand the trophy to Brady in a couple of weeks.

  201. dandeman19 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:27 PM

    spygate yes deflategate no in deflategate there is as much evidence at least that nothing happened as opposed to something happened

  202. bigdaddy44 says: Jan 23, 2016 11:28 PM

    As I have said before, Goodell will stop at nothing to continue the framing of the Patriots. That’s why I believe the league will announce the PSI collection data this week. All the league had to do was wait a short while before testing the footballs taken out of play at halftime this year. By letting the balls warm back up, the PSI goes back up in accordance with the ideal gas law. That will make it appear there was little to no change in PSI, further framing the Patriots, which is already a huge part of Goodell’s legacy. If true PSI readings are released, the league investigation would exonerate the Patriots, and the draft picks would have to be returned. Goodell will not let that happen. The Patriots have long been exonerated, but the frame goes on……….

  203. streetyson says: Jan 24, 2016 3:38 AM

    zwhateverz says:
    Jan 23, 2016 7:56 AM
    Remind me again Lawyer Boy how blatant destruction of potential evidence is viewed as helping to vindicate a suspect in the eyes of the “mainstream?”
    ———————–
    I’ll remind you: The evidence wasn’t destroyed – killing a phone doesn’t destroy the texts sent from it, and Brady offered up all his records at his appeal, which he said would demonstrate that the NFL already had all the texts. Goodell refused to study it. BTW, whilst the league highlighted the one “deflate” text (which was taken out of context and from the off-season). It blatantly ignored other texts from in-season in which Brady and his ball guys mention Brady instructing them to inflate the balls to 12.5-13. So please explain the evidence you have that the league couldn’t show the judge.

  204. limakey says: Jan 24, 2016 9:40 AM

    It amazes me how far the media has gone to protect a man who has disgraced the game in such a horrendous manner. It appears that many in media do not to acknowledge this cheating and Brady has lied from day one.

  205. solo681 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:11 AM

    dha1287 says:
    Jan 23, 2016 8:34 AM

    Why break the phone?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because Brady knew, that he had a CHOICE.

    Either break Goodel’s face and go to jail or break his phone in spite to Goodel.

  206. alcottclan235 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:00 PM

    The reason he destroyed the phone is because he is half of one of the most famous couples on earth. Most couples txt each other things they would like to keep private. The media would pay millions for a racey txt or pic from Brady’s phone. There are paparazzi who go through his and Gisell’s trash to see if they can find anything worth selling to TMZ etc. The NFL leaks like a sieve. Do you get it now?

  207. imodan says: Jan 24, 2016 12:30 PM

    limakey says:
    Jan 24, 2016 9:40 AM
    It amazes me how far the media has gone to protect a man who has disgraced the game in such a horrendous manner. It appears that many in media do not to acknowledge this cheating and Brady has lied from day one.
    —————————————————
    Hater doesn’t have the intellect to understand science, court rulings and common sense. Probably doesn’t notice that he is one of a handful that still clings to his only hope that it had to be cheating that resulted in the Pats destroying his teams dreams. We forgive them, for they know not what they do.

  208. trixiemac says: Jan 24, 2016 12:48 PM

    tonebones says:
    Jan 23, 2016 7:50 AM

    Even the judge that overturned Brady’s suspension admitted he was guilty. He overturned it because the NFL hadn’t warned Brady ahead of time that if he was caught cheating, he could be suspended. They said the fines and taking away the draft pick was proper punishment for the cheating, but that the suspension was not allowed. The ideal gas law stuff was just someone’s lawyer talking. Lawyers are trained to throw everything against the wall and hope that something sticks. The media knows that if you repeat something enough times, people will believe it. It’s in the media’s best interest to promote controversy. It sells.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Oh, REALLY????? Please provide me the direct quote of the judge who ‘admitted’ that Brady was guilty. Actually, what’s in the transcripts is the judge directly asking the NFL what proof they had of cheating, and they had to reply ‘none.’ Go ahead, look that up. Read the judge’s written decision. He was not allowed to actually comment on the ‘crime’ because that was not what the appeal was about, but his written response is quite amusing in that he does find a way to let us know what he thought of the whole thing, by doing stuff like using quotes every time he references the “independent” Wells report. The Ideal Gas Law was ‘just someone’s lawyer talking’? Gee, you best tell that to the highly educated, award-winning, University teaching scientists that all effectively shredded the Wells report findings… but, oh, I guess you know better than them. Well, you hate blindly better than them….

  209. policysimulation says: Jan 25, 2016 2:13 PM

    Brady’s interview with Goodell on June 23 is full of baffling answers, including his mysterious inability to remember that he destroyed his old phone/activated his new phone the same day that he was interviewed by Wells… if thats not fishy…

  210. mathprof84 says: Jan 25, 2016 8:39 PM

    It amazes me how far the media has gone to protect a man who has disgraced the game in such a horrendous manner.
    =========
    I agree!!!!!!
    Goodell is a disgrace and needs to go.

  211. mathprof84 says: Jan 25, 2016 9:33 PM

    Brady’s interview with Goodell on June 23 is full of baffling answers, including his mysterious inability to remember that he destroyed his old phone/activated his new phone the same day that he was interviewed by Wells
    =======
    Baffling to whom?
    He replaced his phone after being told by Wells that he did not need to turn it over. He was not under any obligation to turn it over. Wells had complete text records. The phone thing is a total red herring.

    But go ahead and keep grasping at straws even though there is extremely compelling evidence that no deflation occurred.

  212. policysimulation says: Jan 25, 2016 11:34 PM

    Brady’s interview with Goodell on June 23 is full of baffling answers, including his mysterious inability to remember that he destroyed his old phone/activated his new phone the same day that he was interviewed by Wells
    =======
    Baffling to whom?
    He replaced his phone after being told by Wells that he did not need to turn it over. He was not under any obligation to turn it over. Wells had complete text records. The phone thing is a total red herring.

    But go ahead and keep grasping at straws even though there is extremely compelling evidence that no deflation occurred.

    ============

    I don’t think you understand how phone records work. Wells may have had access to the record of texts issued by Brady’s phone (such as date and time, sending nb and receiving), but not content, once the phone was destroyed. So thats a glaring gap in the record.

    Secondly, he chose not to turn over his phone on the advice of his lawyers, not because Wells told him it was ok to do so. Big difference.

  213. swagger52 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:13 AM

    Ideal Gas Law can also be blamed for the ball boys texting about deflating balls per Brady’s orders

    Ideal Gas Law explains why Brady destroyed his cell phone like Aaron Hernandez

    Ideal Gas Law explains why Brady had 3X the interceptions this year versus the last 6 years

    Ideal Gas Law explains why the balls were taken into the bathroom by the ball boys after they were certified by the refs

  214. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 1:20 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:13 AM
    “Ideal Gas Law can also be blamed for the ball boys texting about deflating balls per Brady’s orders”

    Only after the Jets game where the balls were found to have been illegally overinflated by the refs.

    “Ideal Gas Law explains why Brady destroyed his cell phone like Aaron Hernandez”

    It’s his private property. Wells said he didn’t need it.

    “Ideal Gas Law explains why Brady had 3X the interceptions this year versus the last 6 years”

    2009: 13 INT, 2.3%
    2010: 4 INT, 0.8%
    2011: 12 INT, 2.0%
    2012: 8 INT, 1.3%
    2013: 11 INT, 1.8%
    2014: 9 INT, 1.5%
    2015: 7 INT, 1.1%

    You were saying?

  215. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 2:17 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 25, 2016 11:34 PM

    I don’t think you understand how phone records work. Wells may have had access to the record of texts issued by Brady’s phone (such as date and time, sending nb and receiving), but not content, once the phone was destroyed. So thats a glaring gap in the record.

    ————————————-

    How so? They already had full records, including content, of Jastremski & McNally. Brady provided lists of all texts sent from his phone (timestamps & recipients) so the investigative team could match his records with theirs. He also offered to work with his cell provider to obtain content of any texts that they wanted. Goodell declined that offer saying that it was “too much work”.

  216. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 2:30 PM

    realdealsteel says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:37 AM
    The text messages from ” the deflator” to Brady are all that matter. They speak for themselves. End of story.

    ——————————–

    There are no such messages. Zero, zip, nada messages from McNally to Brady. None. You’re right, that does speak for itself and it should be the end of the story.

  217. policysimulation says: Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM

    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 1:20 PM

    Only after the Jets game where the balls were found to have been illegally overinflated by the refs.

    “Ideal Gas Law explains why Brady destroyed his cell phone like Aaron Hernandez”

    It’s his private property. Wells said he didn’t need it.

    ==================

    Who found that the balls had been illegally overinflated during the Jets game?? Is there actually any independent evidence of that, beyond the claims of Jastremski and Mcnally?

    Second, yes the phone is Brady’s property. And Wells said he didnt the phone itself; but he requested access to some of the content, which Brady refused to do. its quite a simple distinction, but important.

  218. policysimulation says: Jan 26, 2016 2:42 PM

    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:17 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 25, 2016 11:34 PM

    I don’t think you understand how phone records work. Wells may have had access to the record of texts issued by Brady’s phone (such as date and time, sending nb and receiving), but not content, once the phone was destroyed. So thats a glaring gap in the record.

    ————————————-

    How so? They already had full records, including content, of Jastremski & McNally. Brady provided lists of all texts sent from his phone (timestamps & recipients) so the investigative team could match his records with theirs. He also offered to work with his cell provider to obtain content of any texts that they wanted. Goodell declined that offer saying that it was “too much work”.

    —————————————

    Again, Wells had access to the content of the phones of Jastremski and McNally, which includes messages with Brady. Brady provided the metadata for his destroyed phone, but that does not include the content of messages sent to other people. And there is no way of retrieving that content once the phone is destroyed….

  219. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 4:31 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:42 PM
    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:17 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 25, 2016 11:34 PM

    I don’t think you understand how phone records work. Wells may have had access to the record of texts issued by Brady’s phone (such as date and time, sending nb and receiving), but not content, once the phone was destroyed. So thats a glaring gap in the record.

    ————————————-

    How so? They already had full records, including content, of Jastremski & McNally. Brady provided lists of all texts sent from his phone (timestamps & recipients) so the investigative team could match his records with theirs. He also offered to work with his cell provider to obtain content of any texts that they wanted. Goodell declined that offer saying that it was “too much work”.

    —————————————

    Again, Wells had access to the content of the phones of Jastremski and McNally, which includes messages with Brady. Brady provided the metadata for his destroyed phone, but that does not include the content of messages sent to other people. And there is no way of retrieving that content once the phone is destroyed….
    ———————————

    Yes you can get the content if you work directly with the cell provider. Brady offered to do that if they wanted it.

  220. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 4:33 PM

    It’s a moot point anyway because they had every single text sent between McNally-Jastremski and Brady-Jastremski. They even checked Belichick’s team-provided phone and found nothing. Any texts that Brady sent to anyone else, on his own personal device, are irrelevant and the NFL has no right to them.

  221. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 4:37 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM
    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 1:20 PM

    Second, yes the phone is Brady’s property. And Wells said he didnt the phone itself; but he requested access to some of the content, which Brady refused to do. its quite a simple distinction, but important.
    ——————————————

    What’s important is that they had no right to ask in the first place. Brady and his lawyers know that the NFL leaks information like a sieve, and he was rightfully worried that some private, non-football related information would get it. Especially when he saw how some of his emails got leaked. Only a fool trusts the league office with anything important.

  222. dreadpirate88 says: Jan 26, 2016 4:42 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM
    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 1:20 PM

    Who found that the balls had been illegally overinflated during the Jets game?? Is there actually any independent evidence of that, beyond the claims of Jastremski and Mcnally?
    ———————————

    There is no independent evidence of much of anything, so the claims of Jastremski & McNally are all we have. We’re talking about a league where the referees fail to write down pregame PSI measurements and leave their pressure gauges at the hotel when getting ready to work an AFC Championship Game. It’s a clown operation from the top down.

  223. dandeman19 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:39 PM

    Swagger52
    1. Those texts were in May well before the AFC champ game
    2. Ted Wells told TB’s ppl he DID NOT need the phone just what was on it
    3. Ask any QB better grip on balls allegedly does not make you a better QB IN fact many former QB’s have said that like Steve Young
    4 the ball boy was in there for about 100 seconds with out a gauge he knew how much to deflate balls minus a gauge?
    Also what your toilet cam as in there?
    I am so very tired of haters convicting the Pats where there is just as much evidence at least to exonerate.

  224. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 12:17 PM

    zwhateverz says:
    Jan 23, 2016 7:56 AM
    Remind me again Lawyer Boy how blatant destruction of potential evidence is viewed as helping to vindicate a suspect in the eyes of the “mainstream?”
    ================
    Brett Favre says Hi. Let’s ask him about his ability to provide “potential evidence”. More importantly let’s explore what happened when that wasn’t provided and why it was treated so dramatically different.

    It’s funny how the majority of people latching on to this cell phone nonsense just assume Brady (or any NFL player for that matter) HAD to provide the phone. They don’t. So there’s no “potential evidence”. Period. None of which speaks to the fact that Brady provided the NFL with the logs from the destroyed phone and the NFL unilaterally decided not to use the logs. Despite the fact that Brady provided them with the exact information they asked for.

  225. policysimulation says: Jan 27, 2016 1:09 PM

    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 4:42 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM
    dreadpirate88 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 1:20 PM

    Who found that the balls had been illegally overinflated during the Jets game?? Is there actually any independent evidence of that, beyond the claims of Jastremski and Mcnally?
    ———————————

    There is no independent evidence of much of anything, so the claims of Jastremski & McNally are all we have. We’re talking about a league where the referees fail to write down pregame PSI measurements and leave their pressure gauges at the hotel when getting ready to work an AFC Championship Game. It’s a clown operation from the top down.

    ————————–

    I don’t disagree with your latter point. The evidentiary process of the NFL is comically bad; I was taking issues with those who took Jastremski and McNally’s claims as letters of faith.

  226. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 5:59 PM

    luckyforus says:
    Jan 23, 2016 9:08 AM
    He texted the equipment manager about ball pressure and needles and going to ESPN if he didn’t get paid, etc.

    The science of the ideal gas law cannot be proven because the control environment can’t be replicated. The .3 or .4 psi let out is neglible, but whether you steal $100 or $1 million you are still guilty and your integrity is compromised.
    ================
    Except he never texted the equipment manager about ball pressure and the control environment has been replicated many times over by many people. It’s been proven wrong every single time. All you have to do is go to youtube and search for “MIT Professor Debunks Deflategate”. All it takes is 15 minutes to come full circle on where you are now. There are plenty more to choose from. That’s the most popular.

  227. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 6:09 PM

    rocketloss says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:04 AM
    I stopped watching football regularly after this whole scenario. If the league can’t conduct itself in a public manner there is no hope for fair officiating. This past season is proof of that. Terrible officiating.
    =================
    THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  228. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 6:12 PM

    factman66 says:
    Jan 23, 2016 11:21 AM
    First of you’re presuming that the Pats are innocent with no evidence to support that other than their a thin plausible deniability defense. Secondly, nobody cares because the NFL lied to fans about spygate and covered-up the Patriots cheating.
    The Patriots are the perpetrators not victims.
    ==========================
    It’s pretty obvious this article is pointing out there is so much more than plausible deniability. The fact you are still harping on this only proves you didn’t read it. The rest of what you said only proves you never will.

  229. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 6:20 PM

    upscaleman says:
    Jan 23, 2016 1:20 PM
    Brady was saved by a Federal Court judge who didn’t understand the rules of appeal of arbitration awards.
    =============
    Stay away from the TV come March. Lots of tears coming when NFL loses again.

  230. fireroger says: Jan 27, 2016 6:32 PM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 25, 2016 2:13 PM
    Brady’s interview with Goodell on June 23 is full of baffling answers, including his mysterious inability to remember that he destroyed his old phone/activated his new phone the same day that he was interviewed by Wells… if thats not fishy…
    =================
    “In preparation for his June 23 appeal, Brady hired a forensic examiner to do the searches that Wells originally requested. ”

    “The forensic examiner found a total of 557 text messages sent between Oct. 5, 2014 and Nov. 4, 2014. The examiner found that Brady had not exchanged any text messages with Patriots equipment manager David Schoenfield, equipment assistant John Jastremski, or locker room attendant Jim McNally. ”

    “Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones. This is one of Brady’s strongest arguments that there are no missing damaging text messages: since Wells had access to Jastremski and McNally’s side of any damning conversations with Brady, why did he need Brady’s messages?”

  231. dandeman19 says: Jan 27, 2016 11:34 PM

    This is a civil matter. The NFL at best would need a warrant from the state or a judge”s order. This is a civil matter without even a hint of criminality (fraud etc.) Good luck NFL on getting a warrant or a judge to sign off

  232. fireroger says: Jan 28, 2016 8:18 AM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM
    Who found that the balls had been illegally overinflated during the Jets game?? Is there actually any independent evidence of that, beyond the claims of Jastremski and Mcnally?

    Second, yes the phone is Brady’s property. And Wells said he didnt the phone itself; but he requested access to some of the content, which Brady refused to do. its quite a simple distinction, but important.
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    I’m not sure why Jastremski, McNally or Brady should get the benefit of the doubt that anything they say is true. Quite simply, the next time that happens would literally be the first. Which makes cherry picking texts from those same people and accepting them as truth even more ironic. That said, the entire Wells report conclusions were based on selectively believing what was true and not from the same conversations that cover over-inflation of footballs. So to a large degree it comes down to deciding what is true vs false between over and under inflated balls from the same conversational context.

    Brady didn’t provide the phone. He didn’t need to provide the phone (a la Brett Favre). He got rid of the phone. He provided the information that was on the phone. Per the request of Goodell prior to the appeal hearing. When presented the information he asked for Goodell decided to nothing with it. If there is a distinction to be made I would suggest focusing on that one.

  233. fireroger says: Jan 28, 2016 8:23 AM

    policysimulation says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:42 PM
    Again, Wells had access to the content of the phones of Jastremski and McNally, which includes messages with Brady. Brady provided the metadata for his destroyed phone, but that does not include the content of messages sent to other people. And there is no way of retrieving that content once the phone is destroyed….
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    Sorry but this is obtuse. It is literally impossible to argue the metadata wouldn’t highlight communication to the parties involved in all of this. Quite simply, the process would identify the communication between any specific individual(s) and the need to dig deeper to find the content of the messages. Which Brady offered to do at the appeal hearing. It’s completely disingenuous to suggest metadata can’t be used to identify the need to dig deeper. The fact it wasn’t (intentionally) used by the NFL is what people should be questioning. More so since it’s exactly what they asked for prior to the appeals hearing.

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