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It’s not Manning vs. Brady, it’s Manning vs. Belichick

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The seventeenth installment of the Peyton Manning and Tom Brady rivalry has added sizzle to the AFC Championship, but unless and until both guys will be on the field at the same time, it’s all overblown. The real battle, and the relevant constant since Brady became New England’s starter in 2001, will be between Manning and Patriots coach Bill Belichick — whose fights with Manning began a year earlier.

Manning, who has the intellect of a coach (Manning arguably would do a better job than five or six of the head coaches hired in the most recent cycle), studies film and understands it like no other quarterback. Although he’s now migrating out of the mid-30s sweet spot between advanced football knowledge and lingering football skills, Manning still excels at scanning the defense, running the information through the red-foreheaded computer that resides in his helmet, and positioning his guys to ensure that he’ll get the ball as quickly as his duck-cannon arm can to the open man.

Belichick knows this well, so the goal will be to confuse Manning, making him think he sees something other than what the New England defense will be doing.

When the Patriots were one of the only teams Manning faced that used a 3-4 defense, it was much easier to Belichick to beat him. As the 3-4 proliferated throughout the AFC, it became easier for Manning to understand the concepts and coverages. Which has allowed Manning to do better against Belichick later in Manning’s career.

With the two brains on equal footing, Belichick realizes the danger of getting caught up in the pre-snap guessing game in which Manning has excelled.

“[T]hat’s really the basis of trying to come up with a game plan and figure out how you want to play a team like that,” Belichick told reporters this week. “You don’t want to put yourself in bad situations. At the same time you don’t want to make it too much of a game where there are a lot of multiples – ‘If they do this, we do that,’ ‘If they do that, we do this’ – that just can go on forever.

“At some point you’ve got to line up and play what you’re going to play. Look, just because they know you’re in something isn’t always the worst thing in the world. All good teams have tendencies. All good players have tendencies. That’s not a bad thing. It’s a good thing. It means you’re doing something well. At some point it’s going to come down to you have to play well. You have to do what you do well better than what they try to do against it. I think there are elements of all those things in a game. You certainly don’t want to make it easy for them, but you can outsmart yourself sometimes by trying to play too much of a mind game. Manning’s a great quarterback. He’s a hard guy to fool. He has seen it all.”

He’ll likely see all of it again on Sunday, in what the media has been calling the likely final meeting between Manning and Brady. The real story is that it’s likely the final meeting between Manning and Belichick.

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  1. kcchefs58 says: Jan 24, 2016 10:50 AM

    Actually, it’s the Patriots vs the Broncos.

  2. gr365 says: Jan 24, 2016 10:51 AM

    I think the Patriots D is very under-rated and will step up big today with 2 turn-overs!

  3. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 24, 2016 10:56 AM

    We’ll see Osweiller in the 2nd half

  4. veddermn8 says: Jan 24, 2016 10:57 AM

    With the Broncos excellent defense and the Patriots pretty good defense, I think this has a chance to come down to McManus v. Gostowski. With two of the best kickers in the game going in a stadium that helps kicking distance, they both could have big days.

  5. infectorman says: Jan 24, 2016 10:58 AM

    23 -19

    NE

  6. qbarrel says: Jan 24, 2016 10:59 AM

    I think everyone already knows this. Manning vs. Brady is more of a measuring of the two QBs against one another and how they’ve performed when the spotlight has been the brightest – i.e. when their teams have played each other in the playoffs

  7. PATRIOTSDYNASTYLIVES says: Jan 24, 2016 11:05 AM

    enough analysis …snap the ball

  8. jag1959 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:06 AM

    Manning’s results vs Brady’s is a rivalry.
    Manning vs NE’s D and Brady vs Denver’s is the reality.

  9. nflrulebook says: Jan 24, 2016 11:08 AM

    Enjoy Peyton retirement party. Wonder if the broncos will stop the game to honor his history of playoff failures when he is yanked after the 4th int.

  10. tonebones says: Jan 24, 2016 11:09 AM

    I’d say it’s more like Brady vs. The Broncos.

  11. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 24, 2016 11:10 AM

    It’s Manning vs. an entire network of cheating that would make the NSA blush.

  12. marcuswelby1 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:11 AM

    The least talked about unit in today’s game is the New England defense…they will have a big say in which team moves on to San Francisco.

  13. surfing1998 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:12 AM

    Playoff W-L record:

    Brady 22-8
    Manning 12-13

    Not even close. GOAT.

  14. All-American Voltron says: Jan 24, 2016 11:12 AM

    Whether its Manning vs. Brady or Manning vs. Belichek, the bottom line is Manning is the loser of either rivalry …

  15. 6ball says: Jan 24, 2016 11:13 AM

    .
    Blah, blah, blah….. Turnovers
    .

  16. kerzondax says: Jan 24, 2016 11:14 AM

    Loathe each team.

    However, Peyton is now a terrible QB. And while the Broncos D is very good, if they don’t pull Peyton early, the Pats win by 14+.

  17. redrew says: Jan 24, 2016 11:14 AM

    In truth, this is New England verses 345 Park Avenue.
    Goodell and his henchmen, including stand up comic/ Head of Referee Blandino, centralized the challenge/replay system with this game in mind. Roger and his $5 million dollar private investigator attempted to derail NE with a sting operation using manufactured evidence which was disseminated by league lap dog ESPN….and failed miserably when real scientists revealed Goodell’s fraud. With failures piling up, Roger has now assumed in-game authority using the referees and the review system as his newest weapon.
    Why the Full 32 allow Goodell to rebrand this once great league into an extension of the WWF is beyond me.
    Count with me today the suspicious calls that will favor Denver and the league’s chosen one….Pizza Forehead

  18. stevegrogannakedbootleg says: Jan 24, 2016 11:16 AM

    Advantage Belichick because he doesn’t have to throw the ball.

  19. marcuswelby1 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:17 AM

    veddermn8 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 10:57 AM
    With the Broncos excellent defense and the Patriots pretty good defense, I think this has a chance to come down to McManus v. Gostowski. With two of the best kickers in the game going in a stadium that helps kicking distance, they both could have big days.
    ———————————————
    Agree, and if that is what it comes down to I like Gostkowski on my side. Both real good kickers with McManus having the advantage of playing a minimum 8 games per year in the thin air of Denver.

  20. ikeclanton says: Jan 24, 2016 11:25 AM

    I’m not as worried about Belichick vs. Manning as I’m worried about Denver fans being able to clap at the end of the game while chanting “Hochu-li!! Hochu-li!!”

  21. patfanken says: Jan 24, 2016 11:25 AM

    I have always wondered why these match ups have always been characterized as Brady vs Manning, like it was Magic vs Bird. In the last 16 years there hasn’t been a SINGLE play where Brady and Manning were on the field at the same time competing. Magic and Bird rarely were matched up on each other but at least they were on the same court when the game was on the line. The only time we see Brady and Manning together is before and after the game.

  22. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:29 AM

    Not going to make any predictions other than one of the teams will win.

    All bets are off other than that. There are numerous subplots and matchups that can be compared.

    Hopeful the Pats will win.

  23. solo681 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:29 AM

    Actually it is Brady vs Goodel/Hoculi.

  24. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 24, 2016 11:32 AM

    Patriots fans already prepping their excuses. Goodell this and Hochuli that. They always talk tough about that stuff in reference to other teams, but they keep their own excuses handy like Belichick’s challenge flag. If it happens, not a single one of them will acknowledge they simply lost.
    Thumb this down all you clowns want, it’s a point of pride to get a ton of down votes when you’re critical of anything Patriot here on Patriots Football Talk.

  25. leatherface2012 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:34 AM

    i will bet hundreds of millions that the sickening packers dont play today

  26. thechickenexpress says: Jan 24, 2016 11:35 AM

    More to Belichick’s point, it’s McCourty, Hightower, Jones, Ninkovich, et al. against Manning, Thomas, Anderson, Sanders, et al. X’s and O’s are important. But execution and performance are even more important. If Denver’s WR’s have the dropsies today, the Broncos are screwed. And if NE’s defenders don’t wrap up, or they can’t set the edge against the run, it’s going to be a long afternoon.

    On a neutral field, I’d take NE by 10. But the fans in Denver are awesome and make for a serious home-field advantage. NE 17 Den 16.

  27. brendafortheboyz says: Jan 24, 2016 11:36 AM

    My wish……

    Brady gets an utter smackdown from Miller and DWare; thus, making him more humble, less smug and arrogant, which will make him more likable!!

    Peyton and the Broncos play Carolina in the SB, with Cam also winning MVP!

    Peyton and Co. win SB, with Peyton and DWare getting a ring, before Peyton retires:)

    Cam is still young and will still be a force next year, with a very deserved MVP under his belt……

    When DWare retires, 5 years from that point, he will be inducted into the HOF as a Cowboy, with JJ presenting him! My wish……

  28. bondlake says: Jan 24, 2016 11:36 AM

    Florio = blah, blah, blah.

    Did he ever play a down of football?

    Most likely, not.

    This is a TEAM game, Florio. It’s NEW ENGLAND v. DENVER. Get it?

  29. dutchschafer says: Jan 24, 2016 11:37 AM

    Peyton can shout out “Omaha” as much as he wants, it doesn’t change the fact that he can no longer throw a football.

    And, if Belichek is such a great coach, he should already know ole Peyton has nothing left besides a bag full of dead ducks.

    This ‘rivalry’ might actually have some ‘sizzle’ if both QBs were able to throw a football.

  30. proudchowdahead13 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:37 AM

    Hoping for a hard hitting, well fought game, with the Zebras staying out of it as much as possible!

  31. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 24, 2016 11:38 AM

    Brady vs HGH
    :)

  32. sueb45 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:38 AM

    I like Peyton Manning; but, I get a little tired of the hero worship….whatever Florio and the rest of the media think, Peyton does not walk on water. It used to be according to them , he was the ONE who had the skills to win no matter what. Now, that Manning’s arm is a shadow of what it used to be…Peyton has miraculously turned into a football computer. I think this will be a close game. I think the entire Patriots team pulls out a win….and I think Peyton, as great as he was–and he was great–takes his svengali-like football knowledge and rides off into the sunset. I also think the person who most dislikes that the media has tried to make Manning the second coming is Peyton himself. The media does him no favors by fawning over him every step of the way.
    Rant over, please, carry on with what you were doing.

  33. dave399 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:39 AM

    If the Manning led Broncos can pull this game off, I will root for them in the Super Bowl.

    While it is unlikely that Denver will win today, it is exponentially more unlikely that Denver beats either the Panthers or the Cardinals in the Super Bowl.

    Even still, I will pull for Manning. He has been nothing but a class act and a completely upstanding member of the NFL community. It has been an absolute pleasure and privilege to watch him play for the past decade and a half.

    – Lifelong, die hard Patriots fan.

  34. theghostofottograham says: Jan 24, 2016 11:41 AM

    It’s never QB vs QB and I’m tired of hearing that! It’s always QB vs HC or DC. Same thing with pitcher vs pitcher.

  35. dave399 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:41 AM

    brendafortheboyz says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:36 AM

    My wish……

    Brady gets an utter smackdown from Miller and DWare; thus, making him more humble, less smug and arrogant, which will make him more likable!!

    ————————————————

    I don’t recall a single instance ever in which Brady has been anything but humble, or ever come across as smug and arrogant. Not one single time … ever.

  36. sueb45 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:43 AM

    brendafortheboyz says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:36 AM
    My wish……

    Brady gets an utter smackdown from Miller and DWare; thus, making him more humble, less smug and arrogant, which will make him more likable!!
    ———————–
    Where do you get that Brady is smug and arrogant? He always talks about the value of hard work, always maintains he has to do better, always takes the blame for a loss and give kudos to the rest of the team for a win and always gives credit to the other team. If valuing hard work and team work makes him smug and if respecting his teammates and opponents makes him arrogant….I just don’t get it.

  37. tylawspick6 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:46 AM

    It’s Gomer’s HGH and other roids spread around the entire Denver lineup, Hochuli and Goodell vs the victimized Pats (from 2 witch hunts for parity purposes).

    Does anyone really believe Hochuli was the 2nd best ref in the league this year behind Vinovich?

    No, I don’t either.

    Regardless, Pats still win this.

  38. rufustfirefly1303 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:48 AM

    Manning is way to selfish to ever be a coach. Hed blame someone else for every loss

  39. beerbaron says: Jan 24, 2016 11:49 AM

    If Denver wins it’ll be in spite of Manning, not because of him. They need to run the ball to win, and as much as Nantz and Simms are going to slobber all over Peyton for his amazing audibles, the credit there should go to the coaches, backs and offensive line. If it was up to Peyton he’d still be in the shotgun every snap.

    You’re also misreading the Manning vs. Belichick history. Sure, Peyton probably got a little better at deciphering 3-4 defenses (and the Pats’ D regressed a bit from the units that won three Super Bowls) but a much bigger factor was the league’s emphasis on calling illegal contact by defensive backs after the five yards. Which of course Bill Polian lobbied for as Colts’ GM.

    Everyone points to that 2006 AFC title game as some kind of turning point, but even playing inside a dome with the new rules it took an insane comeback for Peyton to beat a New England team that had Jabbar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell as its leading receivers.

    Belichick still spends a lot more capital on the defensive side, trusting Brady to make it work with a bunch of cast-offs and undrafted free against. The only first-rounder starting today is Stephen Jackson. And he still set a personal record for completions while throwing 36 touchdowns to 7 interceptions this season.

  40. quinzze says: Jan 24, 2016 11:50 AM

    Patriots VS everyone … You all want to see them get beat and if they do good for you you get to see your vilen go down and your bubble headed hero go to the Super Bowl… But if you lose? The sight of the Patriots going to another Super Bowl will sicken you and scare you and cause you to obsessively post dumb childlike posts about the bad guy….. Good luck today,go Pats!

  41. infectorman says: Jan 24, 2016 11:53 AM

    I predict the Pats will saw off Peyton’s right arm under cover of a 18 player pile up on the 35 yard line.
    (cuz they’re cheataaas!!!!. wahhhhh, snivel, sob, moan, snivel, sob!!!!)

    Blood stains the Donkey turf!
    O’ the humanity!

  42. youknowiknowitall says: Jan 24, 2016 11:54 AM

    Thumb this down all you clowns want, it’s a point of pride to get a ton of down votes when you’re critical of anything Patriot here on Patriots Football Talk.
    ———————-
    And when you’re critical of EVERYTHING Patriot here (you are always here), it makes you nothing but a repugnant troll. Enjoy.

    The fact of the matter is that NE has reason to be suspicious of the loathsome liars at NFL HQ. And their choices of referee this week and for SB50 with Hochuli’s history with the Broncos and Blakeman’s history with NE certainly appear to be not so coincidental.

  43. þatfromwayba€k says: Jan 24, 2016 11:54 AM

    Just play the game already…..that will tell us a lot more than all the pre- game hype ever will…

    GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. randomguy9999 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:55 AM

    Peyton is, without a doubt, the most intelligent, experienced and coach replacing player that has ever played the game of football…. Brady is great also, but is completely outclassed by Peyton’s intelligence and strategy capabilities.

    The article is spot on, this game will be all about Peyton vs. Belichick in the adjustment and play reading phases of the game.

    execution wise it will be the Broncos D VS. Brady…. they Broncs need to either

    a- get in Brady’s face, get him flustered and cause him to throw his typical hissy fit at the offensive line. That immaturity has always been his biggest weakness

    or

    b- shut Gronk down for the first 4.5 seconds of each play

    if the Broncs are able to do either a good portion of the time… they are going to the SB

    Broncs 31 Pats 24

  45. tylawspick6 says: Jan 24, 2016 11:56 AM

    Fire and arrest Goodell. Word breaking that Deflategate was a clear misrepresentation to punish for parity, as was Spygate.

    The entire country has been lied to over and over again by Roger Goodell.

  46. 50milessouthofdetroit says: Jan 24, 2016 11:58 AM

    With Carolina or Arizona awaiting the winner, does anyone think that Denver will score more than 10 points against either? Therefore, the only hope for a competitive Super Bowl, and not a replay of Denver vs Seattle, is a New England victory today. The problem is Roger Goodell doesn’t want Tom Brady anywhere near that game. We’ll see today how much power the commish has……

  47. brendafortheboyz says: Jan 24, 2016 11:58 AM

    I don’t recall a single instance ever in which Brady has been anything but humble, or ever come across as smug and arrogant. Not one single time … ever.

    =================================

    Uh, I guess you missed his post-game presser last season after a win against the Ravens??? I have NEVER heard a q/b in the NFL tell another team they “need to learn the rule book”! smh
    If that is not arrogance, I can’t imagine what could be!

  48. goattoday says: Jan 24, 2016 12:01 PM

    Less than 3 hours until kick off! Thank you.

  49. sunyilo12 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:05 PM

    Mike,
    You presented this wrong. The most critical matchup is Brady vs Wade Philips. The best Manning can do is not to lose the game.

  50. hippieway says: Jan 24, 2016 12:07 PM

    At the end of the day, the headline will read:

    This Quarterback beat that Quarterback

  51. tylawspick6 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:09 PM

    Umm, to the Ravens moron above, did you ever think that people are tired of whiny, cryababy Harbaugh payign the “everyone gets a trophy” thingy when he loses a game?

    He got embarrassed that his players on D have a collective IQ of 75, so he lashed out about changing a rule at the end of the year due to said embarrassment and losing TWO 14
    Shut your mouth and take your loss like a man.

    PERIOD

    That’s what NFL fans are tired about with the Ravens.

    Good for Brady to tell Harbaugh to check the rulebook, simply because Harbaugh lost.

    What’s next? Banishing the flea flicker, because Harbaugh’s team lost in a game when it was used?

    People like you and Harbaugh are what’s wrong with our society. Instead of taking a loss like a mature adult and improving oneself, they lash outward and blame others, with no accountability.

  52. mistrezzrachael says: Jan 24, 2016 12:10 PM

    Well..if it IS Manning vs. Belichick…thewn Manning better realize that the only way the Broncos win is IF Manning throws the ball all over the lot.

    Belichick…will shut down Denvers running game…and force them to throw…all day

  53. Della Street says: Jan 24, 2016 12:10 PM

    brendafortheboyz says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:58 AM
    I don’t recall a single instance ever in which Brady has been anything but humble, or ever come across as smug and arrogant. Not one single time … ever.

    =================================

    Uh, I guess you missed his post-game presser last season after a win against the Ravens??? I have NEVER heard a q/b in the NFL tell another team they “need to learn the rule book”! smh
    If that is not arrogance, I can’t imagine what could be!

    _____________

    Oh I remember Peyton throwing his O-Line under the bus … and even uttering the words “liquored up idiot kicker.” Yeah, total class and humility right there. Plus, there is the cheating HGH thing.

  54. benry123 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:13 PM

    Prediction that today will see the first time an off field official removes a player for concussion protocol, and it will be a valuable Patriot

  55. portnoychunk says: Jan 24, 2016 12:14 PM

    I’m a big Pats fan and have been since they stunk, but I don’t buy all the talk from fellow Pats fans about how Peyton is done and the game will be a blowout. Pats always struggle in Denver no matter what and Peyton, now relatively healthy, could have a very efficient and smart game today. I for one am not confident how this game will turn out. Hope for a blowout but could see a frustrating afternoon as well.

  56. 6ball says: Jan 24, 2016 12:14 PM

    .
    @brendaboys

    ” My wish……

    Brady gets an utter smackdown from Miller and DWare; thus, making him more humble, less smug and arrogant, which will make him more likable!!

    Peyton and the Broncos play Carolina in the SB, with Cam also winning MVP!

    Peyton and Co. win SB, with Peyton and DWare getting a ring, before Peyton retires:)

    Cam is still young and will still be a force next year, with a very deserved MVP under his belt……

    When DWare retires, 5 years from that point, he will be inducted into the HOF as a Cowboy, with JJ presenting him! My wish……

    ____
    And you wonder why your Dallas Cowboys have been irrelevant for 25 years. You, Jerry Jones, and the rest of your Texas kool-aid guzzlers focus on individuals rather than team. Patriots fans could care less about pro bowl berths, mvp trophies, or who gets into the nonsensical NFL Hall of Fame.

    And oh, btw, under Tom Brady the Patriots have averaged over 12 wins per season since 2001. The Cowboys have had 2 seasons where they won 12 or more games twice since 1996. Brady has had more Super Bowl trophies during his tenure than Dallas has even qualified for playoffs. Good luck with the fourth pick in the draft which can only be earned by sucking royally.
    .

  57. Blackpool says: Jan 24, 2016 12:14 PM

    That’s certainly the meme the media has pushed all morning.

  58. stonedwhitetrash says: Jan 24, 2016 12:17 PM

    It has been predestined by the football powers for the Patriots to win today, the only question is by how much.

  59. bonniebengal says: Jan 24, 2016 12:19 PM

    Denver has the better D. On Offense, it sounds like Manning is already in Belichick’s head. Denver wins.

  60. youknowiknowitall says: Jan 24, 2016 12:23 PM

    @brendaboy OK already. You can have a PC participation trophy.

  61. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 24, 2016 12:23 PM

    People like you and Harbaugh are what’s wrong with our society. Instead of taking a loss like a mature adult and improving oneself, “they lash outward and blame others”, with no accountability.
    ****
    Says the guy who claims Ed Hochuli is out to get the Patriots.

  62. randomguy9999 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:25 PM

    50milessouthofdetroit says:

    With Carolina or Arizona awaiting the winner, does anyone think that Denver will score more than 10 points against either?

    —————————————————————-

    yup, Denver can definitely put up 3-4 TDs against both

  63. dave399 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:27 PM

    Uh, I guess you missed his post-game presser last season after a win against the Ravens??? I have NEVER heard a q/b in the NFL tell another team they “need to learn the rule book”! smh
    If that is not arrogance, I can’t imagine what could be!

    —————————————————

    After being publicly accused of cheating by the coach of the team that just lost. The coach didn’t know the rules when it came to player substitutions.

    When asked about the accusations, Brady gave that answer with a smile. To me, that was a very low keyed response to a filthy accusation.

  64. thereyougo2 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:30 PM

    New England will pass over and through Denver. In turn Denver has #88, period. NE 34 Bronko’s 10 and a late ten.

  65. p6one6 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:33 PM

    If Manning follows the coach’s game plan, the Broncos can win. If Manning tries to do everything instead of utilizing his team, they will lose. Manning’s authority to do whatever he wants has been a reason for huge numbers, but also a reason why he has had less stellar playoff success.

  66. jason9696 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:34 PM

    zigthepatsfan says:
    Jan 24, 2016 10:56 AM

    We’ll see Osweiller in the 2nd half

    ——————————-

    Yes because the Broncos will be blowing the Patriots out. Have to take Peyton out and get him ready for the Super Bowl. Good call.

  67. boogerhut says: Jan 24, 2016 12:37 PM

    sueb45 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:38 AM
    I like Peyton Manning; but, I get a little tired of the hero worship….whatever Florio and the rest of the media think, Peyton does not walk on water. It used to be according to them , he was the ONE who had the skills to win no matter what. Now, that Manning’s arm is a shadow of what it used to be…Peyton has miraculously turned into a football computer. I think this will be a close game. I think the entire Patriots team pulls out a win….and I think Peyton, as great as he was–and he was great–takes his svengali-like football knowledge and rides off into the sunset. I also think the person who most dislikes that the media has tried to make Manning the second coming is Peyton himself. The media does him no favors by fawning over him every step of the way.
    Rant over, please, carry on with what you were doing

    You have got to be kidding. You must never read this site. Florio is hands down the biggest Manning hater around. He couldn’t even type a line of praise without a childish dig at Mannings head.

  68. realfootballfan says: Jan 24, 2016 12:45 PM

    And that hasn’t gone particularly well over the years.

  69. sueb45 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:49 PM

    brendafortheboyz says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:58 AM
    I don’t recall a single instance ever in which Brady has been anything but humble, or ever come across as smug and arrogant. Not one single time … ever.

    =================================

    Uh, I guess you missed his post-game presser last season after a win against the Ravens??? I have NEVER heard a q/b in the NFL tell another team they “need to learn the rule book”! smh
    If that is not arrogance, I can’t imagine what could be!
    ————–
    Duh….the Ravens were crying that the Pats made several illegal plays that were in fact legal…..therefore, the was pointing out to them that before they make fools out of themselves on national tv…..perhaps they should check the rulebook. If the Ravens don’t want to be corrected, they should cease their constant whining and excuse-making everytime the lose……which has been a lot this season.

  70. somepeopleneedtogetalife says: Jan 24, 2016 12:51 PM

    Nobody has said Pats vs. the thin air. There is a reason Denver has so many 4th quarter comebacks, the opposing Dee is gassed. Health and conditioning may be as big a factor as the other match-ups.

    I see it close with late FG to win.

    Regardless of the outcome, this season has been a success. With all the nonsense of PSI and court cases and having to deal with crap outside the lines, it is good to just play for another chance at the trophy.

    Someday the team that all these haters root for will have their moment and God bless em.

    Nothing will ever compare or detract from the final minutes of last years SB. Wish all fans can experience that kind of roller coaster just once. But every year is a new chapter and new challenges.

    May the best team win.

  71. thethunderofgunns says: Jan 24, 2016 12:51 PM

    “It’s not Manning vs. Brady, it’s Manning vs. Belichick”

    Actually it will be “The Pats and Refs v. The Broncos”.

  72. sueb45 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:52 PM

    boogerhut says:
    Jan 24, 2016 12:37 PM
    sueb45 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:38 AM
    I like Peyton Manning; but, I get a little tired of the hero worship….whatever Florio and the rest of the media think, Peyton does not walk on water. It used to be according to them , he was the ONE who had the skills to win no matter what. Now, that Manning’s arm is a shadow of what it used to be…Peyton has miraculously turned into a football computer. I think this will be a close game. I think the entire Patriots team pulls out a win….and I think Peyton, as great as he was–and he was great–takes his svengali-like football knowledge and rides off into the sunset. I also think the person who most dislikes that the media has tried to make Manning the second coming is Peyton himself. The media does him no favors by fawning over him every step of the way.
    Rant over, please, carry on with what you were doing

    You have got to be kidding. You must never read this site. Florio is hands down the biggest Manning hater around. He couldn’t even type a line of praise without a childish dig at Mannings head.
    ——————-
    I read this site several times a day and all I see from every writer is Manning worship. Again I like Peyton, but the media DO fall over themselves-as a whole–kissing his you-know-what!

  73. tebow420 says: Jan 24, 2016 12:54 PM

    Belichick – Emperor Palpatine
    Brady – Vader
    Manning – Using the Force (HGH)

  74. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 24, 2016 12:55 PM

    The fact of the matter is that NE has reason to be suspicious of the loathsome liars at NFL HQ. And their choices of referee this week and for SB50 with Hochuli’s history with the Broncos and Blakeman’s history with NE certainly appear to be not so coincidental.
    ****
    Wait, if they’re going to screw the Patriots against the Broncos, why bother “planting” their special, anti-Patriots ref in the super bowl? You didn’t think that one through very well.

    How about just accept the outcome of this game, regardless? Can you do that, even if it doesn’t go your way? Or are you going the Harbaugh route and blaming someone else? You can preach to all the other fanbases, but can you take your own medicine?

    The choice is yours.

  75. kaepernickin says: Jan 24, 2016 12:56 PM

    Not a fan of either team but if this is the case, give me Brady vs Kubiak any day of the week!! I don’t think HGH is gonna help Manning today! Besides, Brady has more TD passes in Denver this year than Manning does and Manning sucks in the cold weather

  76. 8oneanddones says: Jan 24, 2016 12:58 PM

    LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  77. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 24, 2016 1:00 PM

    watching the pre game, they mentioned there’s pylon cams. Maybe something PFT can look in to? Bill’s been asking for this for a long time, sounds like they’ll experiment at least today

  78. djaehne says: Jan 24, 2016 1:11 PM

    The officials let Denver win this game. NE will whine all off season how they were robbed. Revenge of Deflategate.

  79. rogergoodellisatwat says: Jan 24, 2016 1:12 PM

    How do you figure? Manning gets way too much credit. His entire career is based on toggling the run/pass option based on reading the safeties. All the gesticulating is time wasting. The D doesn’t want to show its hand too soon so Peyton kindly puts on a show. Good QB but he’s never been asked to run a complicated offense like Brady does.

    The game is Denver’s offensive line vs the Pat’s front seven. If Denver is able to run the ball, they have a good chance. If they can’t, Peyton is off to the glue factory.

  80. sityourselfdown says: Jan 24, 2016 1:13 PM

    I’m a Pats fan but in some alternate universe I wonder how a Manning Belichick partnership would have worked out. Just a harmless thought!

    GO PATS

  81. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 24, 2016 1:18 PM

    jason9696 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 12:34 PM
    zigthepatsfan says:
    Jan 24, 2016 10:56 AM

    We’ll see Osweiller in the 2nd half

    ——————————-

    Yes because the Broncos will be blowing the Patriots out. Have to take Peyton out and get him ready for the Super Bowl. Good call.
    ———–

    Hey that’s not what I meant at all!

  82. dingusgenius says: Jan 24, 2016 1:21 PM

    “Patriots fans already prepping their excuses. Goodell this and Hochuli that. They always talk tough about that stuff in reference to other teams, but they keep their own excuses handy like Belichick’s challenge flag. If it happens, not a single one of them will acknowledge they simply lost.
    Thumb this down all you clowns want, it’s a point of pride to get a ton of down votes when you’re critical of anything Patriot here on Patriots Football Talk.”

    Awww, you poor thing. Cry me a river sweetheart.

  83. tylawspick6 says: Jan 24, 2016 1:26 PM

    All eyes on Hochuli today. If Goodell pulls out the funny business, an investigation will be needed and it may be the final nail in Goodell’s corrupt coffin.

  84. 87hollywoodhorn says: Jan 24, 2016 1:28 PM

    florio right on this he gets it

  85. James Montgomery says: Jan 24, 2016 1:35 PM

    It never has been “Quarterback vs Quarterback” ever, just like it has never been “Pitcher vs Pitcher” in baseball. Just more empty media hucksterism.

  86. tedmurph says: Jan 24, 2016 1:39 PM

    The Pats average 37 points against WPhillips defenses. I think even most Bronco fans know what’s coming.

  87. cinzano08 says: Jan 24, 2016 1:45 PM

    It’s BB against the number team on myteamcheats.com and that doesn’t include mannings hgh use. It’s the good guys versus the bad guys and justice will prevail. Pats by 7.

  88. ecniner says: Jan 24, 2016 1:49 PM

    Lol…
    C’mon, it’s the playoffs… Manning will choke anyway.

  89. cornerstone2001 says: Jan 24, 2016 1:51 PM

    marcuswelby1 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:11 AM
    The least talked about unit in today’s game is the New England defense…they will have a big say in which team moves on to San Francisco.

    ……Which ever team wins , they better move on to Santa Clara. San Francisco is 60 miles away

  90. jason9696 says: Jan 24, 2016 2:00 PM

    This game is getting all of the hype but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the winner of the other game wins the Super Bowl.

  91. switchwitch59 says: Jan 24, 2016 2:04 PM

    sityourselfdown says:
    Jan 24, 2016 1:13 PM

    I’m a Pats fan but in some alternate universe I wonder how a Manning Belichick partnership would have worked out. Just a harmless thought!

    GO PATS

    They would have gotten nowhere as their egos would not allow for a collaboration, in other words, they would have fought like cats and dogs.

    GO PATS!!!!!

  92. rogergoodellisatwat says: Jan 24, 2016 2:08 PM

    Tylawspick6:

    All eyes on Hochuli today. If Goodell pulls out the funny business, an investigation will be needed and it may be the final nail in Goodell’s corrupt coffin.

    ———-

    Don’t watch Hochuli, it’s the crew that scares me. (Think Super Bowl 40. Three of that crew lived in PA.)

  93. mrmcdougle says: Jan 24, 2016 2:13 PM

    jason9696 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 2:00 PM
    This game is getting all of the hype but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if the winner of the other game wins the Super Bowl.
    —————

    Barring critical injuries like last year, the NFC should win the game.

  94. chargerdillon says: Jan 24, 2016 2:25 PM

    Calling it Manning vs Belichick is the greatest way to insult every Patriots homer who refuses to accept there are just some things Peyton has and will always do better than Brady.

    Brady has the rings on the back of quite possibly the greatest defensive mind this game has ever seen.

    And since this is 100% the truth, you know every Patriot fan is seething and waiting for the P A T R I O T S to win so they can keep touting it’s all Brady’s doing.

  95. Nofoolnodrool says: Jan 24, 2016 2:25 PM

    tedmurph | Jan 24, 2016, 1:39 PM EST
    The Pats average 37 points against WPhillips defenses. I think even most Bronco fans know what’s coming.

    Now that is a useless comparison. Different teams different years….come on Teddy you sound like Cliff Klaven of Cheers.

  96. Nofoolnodrool says: Jan 24, 2016 2:26 PM

    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Jan 24, 2016 2:25 PM
    tedmurph | Jan 24, 2016, 1:39 PM EST
    The Pats average 37 points against WPhillips defenses. I think even most Bronco fans know what’s coming.

    Now that is a useless comparison. Different teams different years….come on Teddy you sound like Cliff Klaven of Cheers.

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  97. frank booth says: Jan 24, 2016 2:36 PM

    leatherface2012 says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:34 AM

    i will bet hundreds of millions that the sickening packers dont play today
    ==================================
    For laugh out loud side-splitting humor, go back and watch Blair Walsh miss his 27 yard GW field goal attempt, causing a first-round exit for the Vikings.

    Teddy Bridgewater can’t get his team in the end zone. That’s why they lost.

  98. mototax says: Jan 24, 2016 2:45 PM

    Just listened to the pre game interview with the Bronco’s D-line. I’m guessing Tom is getting hit , a lot. Pats may win but Tommy will be sore.

  99. cwludwig says: Jan 24, 2016 3:05 PM

    That’s because we all know Tom Shady is really a Doofus!

  100. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 24, 2016 3:23 PM

    dingusgenius says:
    Jan 24, 2016 1:21 PM
    “Patriots fans already prepping their excuses. Goodell this and Hochuli that. They always talk tough about that stuff in reference to other teams, but they keep their own excuses handy like Belichick’s challenge flag. If it happens, not a single one of them will acknowledge they simply lost.
    Thumb this down all you clowns want, it’s a point of pride to get a ton of down votes when you’re critical of anything Patriot here on Patriots Football Talk.”

    Awww, you poor thing. Cry me a river sweetheart.
    ****
    I would honey, but I can’t get a word in edgewise with all your guys’ complaining about the refs BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTS!

    oh yeah, and it’s 7 -0, but that’s Hochuli’s fault, right? Here’s a tissue.

  101. latenightroach says: Jan 24, 2016 5:00 PM

    6ball says:
    Jan 24, 2016 11:13 AM
    .
    Blah, blah, blah….. Turnovers

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    Your prediction is true so far for the 1st half

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