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Brady, Peyton have remarkably similar postseason stats

DENVER, CO - JANUARY 24:  Peyton Manning #18 of the Denver Broncos and Tom Brady #12 of the New England Patriots speak after the AFC Championship game at Sports Authority Field at Mile High on January 24, 2016 in Denver, Colorado. The Broncos defeated the Patriots 20-18.  (Photo by Ezra Shaw/Getty Images) Getty Images

In the debate over which quarterback has had the greater career, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, the postseason stats are remarkably similar.

Passer rating, the NFL’s flawed but still useful formula to put one number on a quarterback’s all-around passing performance, gives Manning a career postseason mark of 88.1. Brady’s career postseason passer rating is 88.0.

Less than one percentage point separates the two quarterbacks’ career postseason completion percentages: Manning has completed 63.35 percent of his postseason passes, while Brady has completed 62.38 percent of his postseason passes.

Brady and Manning are 1-2 in NFL history in postseason attempts, completions and yards. Brady has thrown 1,183 passes in the playoffs while Manning has thrown 1,004. No one else has even thrown 800. Brady has completed 738 passes in the postseason while Manning has completed 636. No one else has completed even 500. Brady has 7,957 passing yards in the postseason while Manning has 7,198. No one else even has 6,000 postseason passing yards.

Brady has 56 postseason touchdowns and 28 interceptions. Manning has 40 postseason touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Manning has averaged 7.17 yards per passing attempt in the postseason. Brady has averaged 6.73.

Which player has played better in the playoffs? Statistically, it’s a wash.

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  1. trevor123698 says: Jan 26, 2016 6:53 AM

    Coming into sunday Bill Bellichick had a win % of 0.666

  2. deflatedfootballs says: Jan 26, 2016 6:53 AM

    I just go with the eye test..

  3. 2manyconcussions says: Jan 26, 2016 6:59 AM

    Peyton is in the big game and Brady is watching from home.

  4. Pocari Sweat says: Jan 26, 2016 7:00 AM

    The whole ‘who is better’ thing is such nonsense.

    While you can argue one is superior, when looking through a particular lens, neither is better than the other, in a macro sense

    They are Kings of neighbouring lands. Their legacy and abilities are equal in stature, impact and accomplishment. The respect and fear they instilled in opponents cannot be any higher.

    They are equally the best that ever played the position.

  5. clavette says: Jan 26, 2016 7:03 AM

    Manning can read a defense without having someone illegally filming practices ahead of time.

    If only the pats were able to sneak into mile high ahead of time..

  6. Grugenhagen says: Jan 26, 2016 7:09 AM

    You forgot the biggest statistic: Number of rings

  7. jjpt4540 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:11 AM

    Only numbers that matter are win/lose.

  8. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:13 AM

    Can’t just look at stats. Manning has thrown key INTs (Tracy Porter) at the wrong time. Even in his two SB losses Brady left the field with the lead and the D let the other team march down the field to score. I’m sure Manning apologists will blame the D for his SB losses, yet scoring 8 points against Seattle has nothing to do with the D.

  9. darthvincent says: Jan 26, 2016 7:13 AM

    so no mention of “playoff wins” which would be the main difference between the 2 qb’s

  10. patsfanforlife says: Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM

    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.

  11. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:16 AM

    This debate is an exercise in futility.

    People have made up their minds, and no amount of arguing about it is going to persuade those minds to change.

    However, I must admit it is fun reading some of the reasons people spew in order to bolster their argument.

  12. patsfanforlife says: Jan 26, 2016 7:16 AM

    2manyconcussions says:
    Jan 26, 2016 6:59 AM
    Peyton is in the big game and Brady is watching from home.
    ——
    And how many years over the past 15 could the same be said about Brady being in the big game and Peyton watching from home?

  13. maxkingpin says: Jan 26, 2016 7:21 AM

    Otto Graham beats both of them.

  14. deflatedfootballs says: Jan 26, 2016 7:21 AM

    Some is rolling with Magic Johnson others roll with Bird.. both are great.. You can have a favorite but you can’t say that both of them aren’t great.

  15. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:21 AM

    2manyconcussions says:
    Jan 26, 2016 6:59 AM

    Peyton is in the big game and Brady is watching from home.
    ———————————
    Awww, his 4th SB, that’s cute.

  16. PatsFanSince2002 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:22 AM

    Brees is better than both

  17. mkreef says: Jan 26, 2016 7:26 AM

    How many rings does Manning have?

  18. xlichamps says: Jan 26, 2016 7:31 AM

    Ok so their post season stats are a wash and Peyton is obviously the KING of the regular season, so I guess the edge goes to Peyton in the GOAT conversation. Tom does have all those rings (aka Team Accomplishments) though so I’m sure he’ll be ok with 2nd place.

  19. mataug says: Jan 26, 2016 7:31 AM

    Hopefully Wilson & Newton can have a similar rivalry because let’s be honest, we are lucky to have seen Brady v Manning so many times in our lifetime. 2006 AFC Championship Game probably the best game in their rivalry. I can feel my hair stand up when I remember that game.

  20. falsehopenow says: Jan 26, 2016 7:31 AM

    Tiresome comparisons. Either works very well. There’s more to a Football team than a QB. Ask Aaron Rodgers. The one major advantage? In a league that has a salary cap, the guy who makes less can have higher paid teammates early in their career. If you switch the two QBs, I suspect Manning would do just fine in BB’s teams. Above all, both have great work ethics and leadership qualities.

  21. phooteballs says: Jan 26, 2016 7:32 AM

    There’s only 2 stats that matter: Playoff win % and Super Bowl victories, and everyone knows who that winner is. It’s not even close who is the better QB.

  22. gacoltfan says: Jan 26, 2016 7:32 AM

    Throw Peyton, Brady, Montana, Elway in a hat and draw and you can make a great case for why they are the best ever.

  23. crush22 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:34 AM

    Manning > Tammy*

  24. rhamrhoddy says: Jan 26, 2016 7:35 AM

    4 rings > 1 ring

  25. unconcernedbutnotindifferent says: Jan 26, 2016 7:37 AM

    Bravo Pocari Sweat! Well said and the truth.

  26. 3menandablog says: Jan 26, 2016 7:40 AM

    Peyton is the GOAT. Brady was helped by the tuck rule and got 3 of his 4 titles during spygate years.

  27. coreycroom says: Jan 26, 2016 7:41 AM

    Who makes more annoying commercials though?

    I noticed playoff wins and winning percentage were left out here. Hmm….

  28. themikegun says: Jan 26, 2016 7:42 AM

    Hows the ring count compare?

  29. tcmiller30 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:48 AM

    One has had a top 10 scoring defense in 13 out of 15 years in the NFL, with a lowest rank of 17th. (Brady)

    The other has had a top 10 scoring defense in 7 out of 18 years in the NFL, and has had a rank of 17th or worse 9 times. (Peyton)

    There can be arguments made both ways about how one is better than the other, but the “Brady has more rings” argument is the worst.

  30. harryrizvi says: Jan 26, 2016 7:49 AM

    Cam will end up being better than both, statistically speaking.

  31. grogantomorgan says: Jan 26, 2016 7:52 AM

    Except for the most important one.

    4 Rings to 1

    Nuff Said

  32. mbg8977 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:53 AM

    Only stat you need: Brady 22-9, Manning 13-13 (13-14).

  33. collectordude says: Jan 26, 2016 7:53 AM

    Joe Montana STILL the greatest QB of all-time!!

  34. kissmysandwich says: Jan 26, 2016 7:55 AM

    I’d give the edge to Peyton because he did more with worse teams. He never had a great defense in Indy. Belichick is a defensive genius and Brady’s first few years were all about the defense. Especially his first SB win. Belichick found a way to win 11 games with frickin’ Matt Cassel at the helm.

  35. pointtwopsiistheissue says: Jan 26, 2016 7:56 AM

    the only stats that matter are the super bowl rings!!!!
    HGH has ONE, TB 12 the GOAT FOUR!!!!!

  36. indywilson40 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:57 AM

    Oh, but i thought Peyton was the “greatest regular season QB of all time”? Just imagine if Peyton played for a genius, cheating coach all those years and Brady was saddled with a rotten Cover-2 defense. Something tells me Brady would have been viewed as the playoff choker.

  37. zigthepatsfan says: Jan 26, 2016 7:58 AM

    But Brady was merely a game manager for a defense first team the first half of his career while Peyton always had the better offense. So Peyton should have the better numbers yet it’s a virtual tie

    also Brady has played in more championship games and SBs while Peyton has more wild card games and divisional round games

    thought this was settled years ago…

  38. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 7:58 AM

    Peyton played mistake free at home with a suffocating defense and won by 2 points and it took until the last play of the game. Brady is a tough out in the playoffs. If Manning threw two picks what would the score have been. Stats are similar, but you have to play perfect to beat Brady which is why he has such a high winning percentage compared to Manning.

    8 of 9 of Brady’s playoff losses have the same profile. Opposing QB makes few mistakes, defense confuses and hits Brady long enough to hold Brady under or around 20 points, he eventually figures it out enough and moves the ball, but it’s too late.

    It takes a perfectly executed game plan almost every time.

  39. packfan70 says: Jan 26, 2016 7:59 AM

    Who has played better in the playoffs…..I’ll go with Brady’s 4 Super Bowl Wins, to Peyton’s 1.

  40. stealthjunk says: Jan 26, 2016 7:59 AM

    Manning is a better QB. Brady is only propped up close to Manning’s level by the fact that Belichick is possibly the greatest coach ever. Put Manning on Belichick’s team (or Brady with Manning’s 5 head coaches) and it wouldn’t even be close.

  41. jrossizzle says: Jan 26, 2016 8:01 AM

    Win / Loss Stat???

  42. TheWizard says: Jan 26, 2016 8:07 AM

    How about “blown out in Super Bowl”

  43. Bonerz'NPudz says: Jan 26, 2016 8:08 AM

    Nope nope don’t believe it. Brady’s better.

  44. nflfan22 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:09 AM

    Winning is the only stat that matters

  45. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 8:13 AM

    2manyconcussions says:
    Jan 26, 2016 6:59 AM
    Peyton is in the big game and Brady is watching from home.

    ——————

    Making the Super Bowl should count for a lot, but it doesn’t unless it results in a win. In 2013 Peyton found that out. Losing a Super Bowl, especially badly, is terrible and it screws up the team the following year too.

    Peyton needs to win this one or 1-3 will be what he hears forever. 2-2 sounds a lot better.

    31 teams end the season as losers and only one is happy. Just like when Denver beat the Patriots in the AFCCG in 2013, it won’t matter much if Peyton doesn’t close the deal. They will both be lumped into the 31 losers.

  46. margoadams says: Jan 26, 2016 8:14 AM

    Brady and the Pats are still the current Super Bowl Champs!

  47. infectorman says: Jan 26, 2016 8:14 AM

    9 one and dones and HGH.

    It’s clear who has performed better in the playoffs and although he’s out of the tourney right now,
    he’ll be back and has an astronomically better record with W-L.
    It’s not close.

  48. psj3809 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:16 AM

    Both QB’s are great, Brady had a better defense for many of those games in the early years

    One of Mannings losses was to Miami where HB Lamar Smith had 200+ yards rushing, that just goes down as a loss to Manning when i fact he had a great game, the defense was to blame for that one.

    How about the crazy fumble against the Steelers where somehow the Colts DB gets caught by Big Ben was it ? Or Vanderjagts kick.

    Wish people would look at Mannings playoff losses properly, in many of the games its not Mannings fault. If Manning had missed his TE for a 2 pointer like Brady did at the weekend the media would be going crazy over it

  49. newguy2016 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:18 AM

    Just more typical Manning ball-washing even when the facts are stacked against you. Let’s take a look a what really matters:

    Brady 22-9, 6 SB appearances, 3 SB MVP’s, & 4 Rings

    Manning 13-13, 3(about to be 4)SB appearances, 1 SB MVP & 1 ring(not changing)

    Manning can have the regular season, but TB12 is far superior to Manning in the playoffs.

  50. ts1960 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:19 AM

    Stats don’t matter, its an exercise in sucking wind. At the end of the day Brady has 4 SB victories to Manning’s one. Obviously the QB position is important but at the end of the day it takes the entire team to pull it off.

  51. swineflooo says: Jan 26, 2016 8:21 AM

    Brady > manning the debate has been over for years. 4 superbowl championships to 1. Manning is the master of 1 and done.
    Trent dilfer could have been quarterback sunday and the broncos stil would have won. Their defense is legit

  52. shoeflypie says: Jan 26, 2016 8:22 AM

    To suggest that BB has a winning percentage of 0.666% is to say he one fewer than one game out of a hundred. Dividing the number of games won by the number played gives a decimal of 0.666. In percentage, this would be represented as 66.6%. Let’s not put Bill down when he doesn’t warrant it.

  53. swagger52 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:24 AM

    They both have about 2 road playoff wins, Flacco has 7.

  54. isphet71 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:26 AM

    People bag on Manning saying that he’s not a good postseason QB, but I think they aren’t looking at the whole story.

    If he wins this one, he will be 2 for 4 in Super Bowls, and all 4 Super Bowl appearances will have been done with 4 different head coaches in those SBs.

    I want to see the Broncos win one for Manning and watch him ride off into the Sunset like Elway did. Either way this has got to be his last game – might as well go out winning.

  55. luckyforus says: Jan 26, 2016 8:27 AM

    This has been a great rivalry. People will point to Brady’s 4 SB and 11-6 record against Manning, but since 2005 Manning has a 6-5 edge and 4 SB vs 3. Brady’s early SB wins distorts the overall perception. Clearly Brady has had better teams than Manning.

    Brady still has 3-5 yrs and the Patriots are loaded for more SB runs, but the point I’m trying to make is they are both equally great players and we should just enjoy this rivalry without trashing either QB and claiming our favorite is the GOAT.

    Also it’s not relevant to compare players from different eras. Different rules and advances in health and technology.

  56. coacheskid says: Jan 26, 2016 8:28 AM

    Are wins no longer a statistic?

    Playoff Record
    Manning 13-13
    Brady 22-9

  57. mlzehnder says: Jan 26, 2016 8:28 AM

    Super Bowl wins:
    Brady 4
    Manning 2, maybe

  58. musicfootballprogramming says: Jan 26, 2016 8:32 AM

    It’s splitting hairs to say who is better over their careers from an ability standpoint, I think.

    Head to head is fun, but not a measure of the QBs. In 2003 Manning was better than Brady, in 2004 they were closer, but both years the Pats’ D was awesome. This year Brady is better than Manning, but the Broncos’ D is outstanding.

    No matter what happens in SB L though, we can all agree Brady has had the better career. (Manning is now in the same number of Super Bowls that Brady has won.) It’s a team game – we know that – but the only constant over the last 15 seasons have been Brady and Belichick. No other QB has started Super Bowls separated by 13 years, not to mention the four in between.

    Team game. Yes. But no one has fit into so many teams and had such a perfect relationship with a great coach as Brady. Their success over the last 15 years is irritating to non Pats fans, I get it, but it’s been a special run of success that will be marveled at as long as there is football.

  59. georgeremus says: Jan 26, 2016 8:34 AM

    These numbers can’t be correct, this has to be another Goodell/NFL conspiracy against the Patriots…can’t wait for the Patriots to end their revenge tour undefeated and have Goodell hand Brady and Belichick the Lombardi trophy.

  60. joetoronto says: Jan 26, 2016 8:34 AM

    You’re leaving out the 2 stars that matter most: total wins and super bowl wins.

  61. theringisthething says: Jan 26, 2016 8:37 AM

    Might be a good idea to keep track of the most important stat – 22-9 with 4 rings vs. 13-13 with 1 ring. Need I say more?

  62. doctormantistoboggan says: Jan 26, 2016 8:37 AM

    Straight-up in Title Games:

    Lord Manning: 3

    Brady aka “the original Gruden Grinder”: 1

  63. mathprof84 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:38 AM

    deflatedfootballs says:
    Jan 26, 2016 6:53 AM
    I just go with the eye test..
    —————
    I go with the Lombardeye test.

  64. noteamforlosangeles says: Jan 26, 2016 8:38 AM

    How many of you are reading this while eating chicken parm and wearing your Uggs?

  65. seahawksfansince2013 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:39 AM

    Patriots fans love to tout Brady as the GOAT while knocking Peyton as a choker, but the fact is those early Super Bowls the pats won was through great defense. Now Brady is on the other end of that and was crushed by a legit defense and it’s all his lines fault.. Yet when my hawks crushed manning in the Super Bowl it was all, Peyton is a choker. Just goes to show how patriots fans only see and hear what they want to. Most delusional, not to mention most obnoxious, fanbase in all of sports. Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over. Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.

    Other teams fans envy our teams players. Other teams players envy our teams fans.

  66. marcuswelby1 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:39 AM

    Pocari Sweat says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:00 AM
    The whole ‘who is better’ thing is such nonsense.

    While you can argue one is superior, when looking through a particular lens, neither is better than the other, in a macro sense

    They are Kings of neighbouring lands. Their legacy and abilities are equal in stature, impact and accomplishment. The respect and fear they instilled in opponents cannot be any higher.

    They are equally the best that ever played the position.

    —————————————————–

    Well said.

  67. savethebs says: Jan 26, 2016 8:39 AM

    Peyton has had some bad moments in big games, but so has Brady. Frankly, if Manning had come into the league in a situation as good as Brady’s I think he’d also have 3-4 rings. Think about how good Brady has had it. 1 team, 1 coach, 1 offensive system. They were a playoff team with a great defense when he was drafted. Manning on the other hand was drafted to a horrible team, that never had a good defense the entire time he was there. He never had a coach nearly as good as Belichek (Dungy wildly overrated IMO). Manning has been with like 5 coaches & 2 teams.

    Head to head, I’d probably lean slightly toward Brady but it’s VERY close to me & Brady probably gets the edge mostly because of the support system he’s had around him his entire career.

  68. mmack66 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:41 AM

    The only “stat” that matters is that Brady has won 4 Super Bowls and Manning has only won one.

  69. ggreen657 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:41 AM

    Brady: 23-9
    Manning 13-13

    Only stats I need.

  70. trevor190 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:42 AM

    Playing 18 postseason games in cold, windy, snowy, rainy Foxboro is not exactly the same as playing 11 postseason games in a dome. But you knew that.

  71. plum54 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:44 AM

    Tom has FOUR super bowl rings, How many does Manning Have ??ONE. After super bowl 50 it will still be ONE for Manning.
    Go Panthers!

  72. tb12x4 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:44 AM

    Let’s not forget the most important stat of all…. Brady has 4x the rings as gump ….2x the rings as sheli …. Ok hope that stat clears things up ….

  73. jimmyt says: Jan 26, 2016 8:45 AM

    Manning is a lot smarter than Brady. Brady has to be instructed and handled where as Manning is more of coach on the field.

  74. dmitchell624 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:45 AM

    As a Bronco fan and a football fan, I am just glad to have witnessed both of these players and the performances they have given us. They played beyond the level of most QB’s in NFL history and the potential for a once in a lifetime moment is always there when they have been on the field.

  75. irongershwin says: Jan 26, 2016 8:46 AM

    If you go by championships won and championships by appearances, than Otto Graham has to get mention as the greatest player ever. 10 straight appearances in the championship game winning 7 of them, and he won an NBA title to boot.

  76. hehateme2 says: Jan 26, 2016 8:47 AM

    Peyton> tommy
    More yards, MVP’s, TD’s, class

  77. wallabear says: Jan 26, 2016 8:51 AM

    Not quite.

    Brady: Six (6) SB appearances, with 4 “ring-on-it”s.

    Big Bro Manning: Four (4) SB appearances (including February 7, 2016), with 1 ring (no way the Broncos win) lol.

  78. bullogne says: Jan 26, 2016 8:52 AM

    One QB had a better coach and defense for most of his career over the other.

  79. cjmullysr says: Jan 26, 2016 8:52 AM

    I agree with the above post. So tired of the endless comparisons of these two about who is better. They are both the greatest QB’s of their generation. And please, don’t try to compare to previous generations, the rules, the game, the players are all different. Accept that Manning and Brady are 1A and 1A of this generation. And while this is “QB League” this is the ultimate team game. Neither of these guys is on the field for Defense or Special Teams. Finally, the above stats for both these guys may look somewhat modest in terms of QB rating, but these are the highest pressure games of the year against the best opponents.

  80. dsigrey says: Jan 26, 2016 8:53 AM

    Except for post season record… where they aren’t close at all.

  81. myopinionisrighterthanyours says: Jan 26, 2016 8:54 AM

    “Which player has played better in the playoffs? Statistically, it’s a wash.”

    Until you get to rings.

  82. skinsgal4life says: Jan 26, 2016 8:56 AM

    As we all witnessed, Brady got pummeled by the Denver defense the entire game. Yet, he still nearly brought his team back to a tie. If Brady had completed the two-point conversion to Gronk, we could very well be typing about Brady’s chance for a fifth ring. I don’t think any another QB playing today could have done that—especially at the age of 38 after the punishment he took. Had Peyton been punished in the first quarter like that, Brock would have replaced him before halftime. Peyton could not take that punishment. I’ve been a football fan my entire life–54 years. Brady is the man, and I don’t know how anyone with any football IQ at all cannot say he isn’t the GOAT. Cheating? Really? I hope the Patriots win the Super Bowl next year. I will be cheering as loudly as any life-long NE fan.

  83. raphaelducas says: Jan 26, 2016 9:01 AM

    what do you expect ? Playing in foxborough in January it more difficult that a Indianapolis dome

  84. greygooseandsprite says: Jan 26, 2016 9:04 AM

    Brady. 4-2 Super Bowl record all close games

    Peyton. 1-2. Super Bowl record. Humiliated against Seattle and soon to be 1-3 and humiliated by carolina.

    Not even close.

  85. quizlingclinic says: Jan 26, 2016 9:05 AM

    If you ignore that fact that Brady gets farther in the playoffs, and therefore faces harder competion.

    Those 9 1 and dones by Manning teams, almost always versus inferior teams, is overlooked

  86. hehateme2 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:06 AM

    And lil’ tommy is only a dink and dunk QB. Can’t throw it over 25 yards anymore.

  87. tommikula says: Jan 26, 2016 9:06 AM

    Brady won 4 Peyton won 1; all that matters.

  88. tajuara says: Jan 26, 2016 9:06 AM

    As a Colts fan I can openly say that we have had our fare share of heartbreak loses in the playoffs, but as long as number 18 was under center, we were legitimate SB contenders year in and year out. Even though we made only two trips to the SB and won just one, still that is consider good in my book. I don’t want to be a homer and say that Manning is the best QB ever because that would probably be inaccurate, but at least I am certain that I have enjoyed watching Peyton play all these years.

  89. grogan537 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:06 AM

    the touchdown to interception ratio is the big difference

  90. docraider says: Jan 26, 2016 9:07 AM

    Brady has 4 SB and 6 appearance both best or tied for best ever. However Peyton 4 SB appearances with 4 diff HC and 2 diff teams. Also when Brady went down Pats went 11-5 when Manning went down Colts got #1 pick. And if Broncos win he will have won 2 SB with 2 diff teams.
    Also in playoffs Manning is 3-2 vs Brady and 3-1 in AFC conf chanmpionship.

  91. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:09 AM

    bullogne says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:52 AM
    One QB had a better coach and defense for most of his career over the other.

    Manning has gone 1 and done 9 times

    6 of those played at home with the #1 offense and was favored
    4 of those at home with a top 10 overall D.

  92. chadisme417 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM

    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles. I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.

  93. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM

    How exactly is 100 more completions, 800 more passing yards, 16 more TDs, and only 4 more interceptions a “wash”?

    You are also not including the most telling statistics of all:

    Brady playoff record: 22-9 (.710)
    Manning playoff record: 13-13 (.500)

    Brady SB record: 4-2
    Manning SB record: 1-2 (likely going to be 1-3)

  94. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 9:14 AM

    One QB had a better coach and defense for most of his career over the other.
    _________________________________________

    One QB had far superior receivers and running game most of his career……..yet still only has 1 SB

  95. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 9:14 AM

    Wins and rings baby. That’s what it’s all about. Always was. Always will be.🙂

    Brady 22-9. Most playoff wins in history. 4 rings. Tied for the most.

    Peyton 13-13. Working on his 2nd ring.

  96. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 9:16 AM

    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel.

    —-
    And yet it’s funny how the Patriots after going 16-0 all of a sudden couldn’t beat any good teams anymore with Matt Cassel at QB.
    1-4 against AFC playoff field
    3 blowout losses
    2 of those blowouts at home.

    Go figure.🙂

  97. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 9:17 AM

    And lil’ tommy is only a dink and dunk QB. Can’t throw it over 25 yards anymore.
    __________________________________________

    Manning can? What exactly is the point here?

  98. notmanning says: Jan 26, 2016 9:20 AM

    Like Hasselback said, if you flip flopped Sundays game and Mannings throws the 2pt conversion pick, everyone would be yelling ‘choker’. I don’t hear any of that, but fact is, Brady got punked. 3 picks, one should have been a pick six (had Miller not slipped he walks in). The other could have been a pick two.

  99. willycents says: Jan 26, 2016 9:21 AM

    Eliminate either qb from their respective teams and then judge. How did the Colts do when Manning was out for the year as compared to Brady out? Colts went 2-14 with Painter, etc. Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. That indicates a lot of success attributed to Brady was a result of either a better team or better head coach.

  100. musicfootballprogramming says: Jan 26, 2016 9:21 AM

    They were a playoff team with a great defense when he was drafted.

    No they weren’t. They were a shambles of a team in severe decline, picking up the pieces after Pete Carrol ruined a Super Bowl calibre team and after three years missed the playoffs.

    Belichick’s went 6-10 his 1st year with this supposedly great team Brady inherited. They were on their way to 0-2 (losses to a terrible Bengals team and the Jets) when Brady came in for a crushed Bledsoe. Two dominant wins over the Colts (combined score 82-30) helped Brady win 5 out of his first 7 starts before a competitive loss to the Rams left the Pats floundering at 5-5.

    That was the last time they lost that year, getting revenge on the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI. The rest is history. Well, some it is the future.

    Oh sorry, got me all reminiscing. Damn this has been a fun millennium.

  101. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 9:21 AM

    Also in playoffs Manning is 3-2 vs Brady and 3-1 in AFC conf chanmpionship.
    __________________________________________

    This is like watching a movie and shutting off the TV in the last 20 minutes. This stat means absolutely nothing without bringing up what happened in the games following. Bottom line is Brady has 4 rings and Manning has 1.

    In those playoffs games, the home team won every time. Which is what would be expected in the playoffs.

  102. xlichamps says: Jan 26, 2016 9:22 AM

    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?

  103. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:23 AM

    seahawksfansince2013 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:39 AM
    Patriots fans love to tout Brady as the GOAT while knocking Peyton as a choker, but the fact is those early Super Bowls the pats won was through great defense. Now Brady is on the other end of that and was crushed by a legit defense and it’s all his lines fault.. Yet when my hawks crushed manning in the Super Bowl it was all, Peyton is a choker. Just goes to show how patriots fans only see and hear what they want to. Most delusional, not to mention most obnoxious, fanbase in all of sports. Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over. Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.

    More revisionist history

    Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over
    The Patriots won a SB less than a year ago and just played in a conference CG

    If I am a Seahawks fan I’m taking it easy with the “tainted” talk.
    No team has had as many players suspended for press than the Seahawks over the last 5 years.

    “Seahawks dynasty” please!

  104. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:24 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM

    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles. I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.
    ———————–
    How did the Pats do in the playoffs that year?

    Also, Cassel took the Chiefs to the playoffs and was selected to the Pro Bowl.

  105. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 9:24 AM

    stealthjunk says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:59 AM
    Manning is a better QB. Brady is only propped up close to Manning’s level by the fact that Belichick is possibly the greatest coach ever. Put Manning on Belichick’s team (or Brady with Manning’s 5 head coaches) and it wouldn’t even be close.

    ———-

    That is a terrible argument because it is pure fantasy. You could point to Belichick’s HC record without Brady. Terrible. One good year with a team that went 16-0 the year prior and they still lost the division and missed the playoffs. The rest of BBs years without Brady were awful. So you can equally say Brady made Belichick. It’s impossible to know though, just like it’s impossible to know how Brady would have done with other coaches.

  106. dmitchell624 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:24 AM

    mbg8977 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:53 AM
    Only stat you need: Brady 22-9, Manning 13-13 (13-14).

    Or how about head to head where it matters the most?

    Manning’s 3 wins vs Brady’s 2 wins in AFC Championship Games…… I guess that doesn’t matter….Does Manning 3 straight wins over Brady matter in the AFC Championship games?

  107. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:25 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM

    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles. I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.
    ——————————————
    Belichick losing record in Cleveland. First year at Pats head coach 5-11. Second year Pats were 0-2, then Brady comes in. The rest is history. Same old Manning excuses.

  108. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:27 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM
    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles. I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.

    Can we stop already with this stupid argument.

    Cassel won 7 fewer games than Brady with the same team
    Did not make the playoffs and did not beat a team with a winning record all season

    Threw 26 fewer TD and 2600 fewer yards

    And the Colts answer when manning went down was to bring a QB out of retirement (K Collins) who only played 3 or 4 games then threw games at the end of the season to get the #1 pick

  109. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: Jan 26, 2016 9:28 AM

    The only stat that matters is who is going to were a uniform on SB Sunday and who is going to wear UGGs.

  110. nhpats says: Jan 26, 2016 9:28 AM

    gacoltfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:32 AM
    Throw Peyton, Brady, Montana, Elway in a hat and draw and you can make a great case for why they are the best ever.

    ————
    Elway isn’t even in the conversation. He is lucky if he is in the conversation for top 10.

  111. jag1959 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:28 AM

    Pocari Sweat says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:00 AM
    The whole ‘who is better’ thing is such nonsense.

    They are equally the best that ever played the position.
    ________________________

    It is indeed nonsense to compare them to players from other eras and say they are ‘the best that ever played.’ It is hard enough comparing and contrasting players in the salary cap era to each other never mind comparing them with players from before it. What would Montana have done in an era when defensive backs were handcuffed and no one could breathe on a QB but the team around him was constantly changing? What might Manning/Brady have done with a consistent All Pro cast around them but facing defenses that were built the same way?

    Even inside the cap era there’s The Great Polian Wussification to consider when evaluating players. Most career passing records are no longer worth the paper they are written on since defensive backs were handcuffed and QB’s were effectively put in skirts. Those that haven’t fallen already are destined to.

  112. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:29 AM

    hehateme2 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:06 AM

    And lil’ tommy is only a dink and dunk QB. Can’t throw it over 25 yards anymore.
    ———————
    Myth. Check his Yards Per Attempt Average. It’s higher than Favre even.

    Also, you forget, Manning lead the league in INTs this season (Bortles had one more, but Manning sat out 7 games). One of the worse QBs to make it to the SB.

  113. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:30 AM

    When where those INTs thrown? I’m sure Brady never threw an INT in the SB that sealed the game for the opposing team (see Tracy Porter interception)

  114. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:36 AM

    dmitchell624 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:24 AM
    mbg8977 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:53 AM
    Only stat you need: Brady 22-9, Manning 13-13 (13-14).

    Or how about head to head where it matters the most?

    Manning’s 3 wins vs Brady’s 2 wins in AFC Championship Games…… I guess that doesn’t matter….Does Manning 3 straight wins over Brady matter in the AFC Championship games?

    All the games “matter” you just can’t narrow it down to the ones that fit your argument

    Brady 11-6 vs Manning

  115. accipiterq says: Jan 26, 2016 9:37 AM

    “Brady has 56 postseason touchdowns and 28 interceptions. Manning has 40 postseason touchdowns and 24 interceptions. ”

    That doesn’t look like a wash to me….

  116. tajuara says: Jan 26, 2016 9:37 AM

    what do you expect ? Playing in foxborough in January it more difficult that a Indianapolis dome

    —————————————————–

    Except that playing in Foxborough in January creates an advanatage for NE while playing in a dome in January did not necessarily created an advantage for Manning. Visiting teams not only have to prepare an offensive and deffensive plan to play in Foxborough in January, but they also have to prepare for the elements (cold, snow, rain, etc) which are things that the local team is already used to.

  117. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:38 AM

    Yep. It’s all about wins & losses.

    Brady’s playoff record vs the Manning brothers 2-5. He hasn’t beaten them in over 11 years.

  118. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:38 AM

    xlichamps says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:22 AM
    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?

    Actually yes, you need to say a lot more.

    Like how the Colts did not try to win. And how the Colts tanked to get the #1 pick.

  119. carloswlassiter says: Jan 26, 2016 9:38 AM

    I’m an AFC guy, but I have this terrible fear of another 43-8 kind of SB humiliation for Peyton.

  120. selfpromotingqb says: Jan 26, 2016 9:39 AM

    Figures lie and liars figure

  121. factman66 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:39 AM

    The Patriots past cheating settles the debate of who is better. Peyton has a spotless record in that regard and Brady doesn’t.

  122. selfpromotingqb says: Jan 26, 2016 9:40 AM

    6 Super Bowl appearances
    4 Super Bowl wins

  123. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:41 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM
    I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.
    ***
    Good point. Manning has gone to the SB with 4 different coaches — Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, Kubiak. 3 of those guys are average to below-average coaches.

  124. truthprofessor says: Jan 26, 2016 9:41 AM

    winning and losing is also a stat

  125. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 26, 2016 9:42 AM

    Manning can have the regular season, but TB12 is far superior to Manning in the playoffs.
    ****
    Brady’s 1-5 record against the Mannings when it matters most begs to differ with you.

    Hey Patriots fans, you have something on your chin.

  126. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:43 AM

    No comparison at all when you consider how Brady never really had any SERIOUS Offensive weapons, except for Randy Moss for two years.

    Now if Brady had a OLine that was able to give him some protection as ell as open up the run game = then we are looking at a 7th Super Bowl appearance at the very least.

  127. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:43 AM

    Manning’s Super Bowl run with the Colts. 3 TDs and 7 INTs.

  128. rmavs says: Jan 26, 2016 9:43 AM

    I hope Stan Kroenke chokes on a Ron Jeremy.

  129. cominupthrillho says: Jan 26, 2016 9:43 AM

    To all of you “How many rings does he have?” people, this year should prove more than anything that that is a stupid argument. Broncos are a defense first team, with Peyton resigned to the game manager roll and surprise, surprise they’re in the SB.

    Tom loses his weapons/line to injury and surprise, surprise he’s not in the SB.

    Football is a team game, more than any other sport in the world. As many have pointed out, Brady left the field with the lead in both their losses. And Vinitieri scored the winning points in his first 3 wins. How is any of that squarely focused on the QB?

    Peyton has been to 4 superbowls with 4 different headcoaches, OCs, etc.

    Tom has had the same coach and system since 2001.

    There are WAY more factors to winning a game than how well the QB plays. How about we just agree that they’re both great, and it has been an amazing decade and a half watching these 2 go at it.

  130. finsguy says: Jan 26, 2016 9:44 AM

    I love the “number of championships” argument. If that is the deciding factor then Otto Graham is the greatest QB to every play the game and it isn’t close.

    He played in the championship game EVERY year for 10 straight years and won 7 of them.

  131. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:45 AM

    flash1287 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:38 AM

    xlichamps says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:22 AM
    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?
    ———————————-
    Sure, how about neither team made the playoffs.

  132. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:46 AM

    On the biggest stage

    Brady 4-2 (tied for most ever SB wins)
    13 Tds (SB Record)
    4 ints
    95.3 QB rating

    Manning (as of today) 1-2
    3 Tds
    4 ints
    88.1 QB Rating

  133. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:46 AM

    finsguy says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:44 AM

    I love the “number of championships” argument. If that is the deciding factor then Otto Graham is the greatest QB to every play the game and it isn’t close.

    He played in the championship game EVERY year for 10 straight years and won 7 of them.
    ————————
    We’re talking SB era. Another cliché argument on your part.

  134. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:49 AM

    Manning apologists are hilarious. Always the same excuses on why he hasn’t won more SBs. Sorry, it’s not the coach or the D fault he only scored 8 points in the Super Bowl against Seattle.

  135. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:50 AM

    Manning loses it’s the D’s fault. This season he’s playing with the #1 D, now it’s all Peyton (not to mention the won 5 games without him but keep bringing up Cassel) Hilarious.

  136. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:51 AM

    xlichamps says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:22 AM
    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?
    ————————
    How many games did they win without Peyton this year?

  137. redsoxu571 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:53 AM

    More proof that people don’t understand football.

    Sure, their numbers are similar (as if that’s a bad thing anyway). But then factor in the typical playoff context for each QB:

    Brady- outside in the NE winter with a lineup featuring the likes of Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Christian Fauria

    Manning- indoors in Indy (or in Denver where the road team has a physical breathing disadvantage) featuring the likes of Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark

    What people always overlook is that Manning is SUPPOSED to put up better numbers than Brady, because football is a team and context game and outside of 2007 Manning has had the context advantage over Brady EVERY SEASON OF HIS CAREER

    The fact that Manning’s numbers are so similar, in spite of all those advantages, shows how much he tends to shrink in the playoffs. Still better than most QBs you could take to battle in the postseason, but definitely not up to his regular season advantage (which is a bit overrated anyways, given again all the advantages he always has).

  138. finsguy says: Jan 26, 2016 9:54 AM

    Hey New England Fans, Bob Griese is a better QB than Tom Brady, when he goes undefeated he also wins the Superbowl. See how crazy that sounds?

    You could say Bradshaw and Montana are better because they never lost a superbowl and played when nobody cared if they crush you OR your receivers.

    Bart frigging Star has 5 “league championships” (which is what they were called before they were called Superbowls) and 2 Superbowls and also never lost a Superbowl. No rational person argues Bart Starr is the greatest QB of all time, but by your reasoning they certainly should.

  139. fritz96 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:58 AM

    If Peyton had Belichick for all 15 years he would have more than 1 ring. If Brady had Fox, Kubiak or Caldwell for his 4 SB years he wouldn’t have won all 4…

  140. pats74 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:58 AM

    The only thing that’s silly is trying to do this now before all is said and done. You can’t properly compare the two until the final chapter has been written for each of them. But for the sake of argument, at this stage there’s no question it’s Brady. Peyton is one of the all time greats, but his stats were padded by playing so many of his games indoors for all of those years and he simply has come up short so many times in the playoffs. Brady is the arguably the greatest football player ever, let alone QB. he’s got the rings, the postseason records, the comebacks, and has done so much with so little at times. One doesn’t need to look any further than the 4th Qtr of last year’s SB for proof…it’s criminal how little that’s celebrated, although not surprising given the ridiculous anti-Pats sentiment within the national media and around the country.

  141. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 9:59 AM

    Mark Sanchez could of been the QB for the broncos on Sunday and still won the game.

    Reverse the hits on Brady and put that same pressure on Manning and the Patriots would of BLOWN OUT the Broncos to something like 45 -7

  142. zombiepatriot says: Jan 26, 2016 9:59 AM

    Who cares.

    The argument has gone on for far too long. They are both great quarterbacks who have had their share of ups and downs in the NFL.

    There is no argument left which will persuade Manning fans to Brady or Brady fans to Manning.

    They have both achieved sustained success during a time where the NFL through the salary cap and free agency was supposed to level the playing field. They are the outliers that have proven to be the exception and the difference between a teams success or failure. They are the true franchise quarterbacks.

  143. finsguy says: Jan 26, 2016 9:59 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:46 AM

    We’re talking SB era. Another cliché argument on your part.

    ———————————————–

    Actually no, if you are unfamiliar with the term “GOAT” it means Greatest of All Time, and there was time before the SB era. However, if you want to say greatest of all time in the SB era you have a better arguement at least. If he had Scott Norwood as his kicker instead of Viniteri though would he be a worse QB?

  144. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:00 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:51 AM

    xlichamps says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:22 AM
    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?
    ————————
    How many games did they win without Peyton this year?


    Bingo.

    I also think it’s much more honest to say “Colts 1-15 with Curtis Painter, Kerry Collins and Dan Orlovsky” at QB.
    🙂

  145. gacoltfan says: Jan 26, 2016 10:00 AM

    ggreen657 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:41 AM
    Brady: 23-9
    Manning 13-13

    Only stats I need.

    ———————————-
    Using only team stats to evaluate individual performance is pretty dumb, but if you need to, here are some additional stats.

    2000-2004. Brady 9-0 in playoffs, 3-0 in SB, Manning 1-6 in playoffs
    2005-2015 Brady 14-9 in playoffs, 1-2 in SB, Manning 12-7 in playoffs, 1-2 in SB’s with 1 to be played.

    From these “only stats needed”, Brady was better from 2000-2004 and Manning has been better from 2005-2015.

    I guess you would also say Brady was a better QB his first 4 years than he has been the last 10’years? Does anyone believe that?

  146. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 10:00 AM

    dmitchell624 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:24 AM

    mbg8977 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:53 AM
    Only stat you need: Brady 22-9, Manning 13-13 (13-14).

    Or how about head to head where it matters the most?

    Manning’s 3 wins vs Brady’s 2 wins in AFC Championship Games…… I guess that doesn’t matter….Does Manning 3 straight wins over Brady matter in the AFC Championship games?

    —————-

    I don’t think people are saying Manning is bad.

    However, the home team won all those games and the defense that played the best was also usually on the winning side.

    The 38-34 game that Manning won (which was kind of the real Super Bowl with a mediocre Chicago team waiting) was the anomaly. Both QBs played great and Manning out dueled Brady in the end.

    All that said… Brady has gotten the job done more often overall and Manning has won the head to head battle. The numbers are what they are.

    Although I am biased, I would still take Brady over any other QB ever. He always gives the team a chance to win. When they lose it’s a few plays either way. He doesn’t get blown out often and when they are behind on the score board he is better than anyone in making a game of it.

    Since Manning got there Denver are 20-1 in home games where they have a lead at the half and Manning himself is undefeated in those games. Denver were up by 8 at the half. The game was already over and Brady found a way to make it go to the last snap. Can’t complain as a fan.

    As a side note… it was really smart by Manning to go to a team with a great home field advantage and in a place where Brady had already struggled the most ever prior to Manning’s arrival in Denver.

  147. gacoltfan says: Jan 26, 2016 10:03 AM

    All you people the only stat that matters is playoff record and number rings, I have one question. Was Brady a better QB his first 4 years than he has been the last 10?

  148. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:04 AM

    Manning loses it’s the D’s fault. This season he’s playing with the #1 D, now it’s all Peyton

    —-
    PEDton had the #1 defense in Indy in 2007 and went one and done.

    #3 scoring defense in 2005 and lost the AFCCG

    Also the #4 defense in 2012 and went one and done

  149. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:06 AM

    finsguy says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:54 AM

    Hey New England Fans, Bob Griese is a better QB than Tom Brady, when he goes undefeated he also wins the Superbowl. See how crazy that sounds?

    You could say Bradshaw and Montana are better because they never lost a superbowl and played when nobody cared if they crush you OR your receivers.
    ———————————–
    yes, Griese is better based on only one season.

    I’d rather be 4-6 in the SB than 4-0. Just means Montana lost more game prior to reaching the SB, so your logic makes no sense.

  150. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:07 AM

    PEDton vs the Seahags: 35 point loss

    Brady vs the very same Seahags: Historical SB 4th quarter comeback, 28-24 win.

    #ImNotSayinImJustSayin
    🙂

  151. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Jan 26, 2016 10:08 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM
    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles.
    ——————————–

    When they lost their starting QB’s both organizations reacted according to who they are. The colts organization nearly crumbled? They did exactly what they intended, suck for Luck. NE won because that’s what they do, maybe they would have been better off tanking and loading up in the draft but that’s not in their DNA.

    As for stat comparisons, The Hoodie said it better than anyone else:
    “Stats are for losers. The only numbers that matter are the big ones on the scoreboard at the end of the game”

    Only 5 QB’s with 50 or more games played have over .700 winning % in the SB era:
    Brady .771
    Staubach .746
    Wilson .719
    Montana .713
    Manning .702
    Won’t even try comparing them but know I’d be happy with any of them in their prime being under center for a team I root for.

  152. theringisthething says: Jan 26, 2016 10:09 AM

    Hey XLICHAMPS – the Pata went from 16-0 with Brady to 11-5 with Cassel, which is significant. And as far the Colts only going 1-15 without Manning, it’s not Brady’s fault the Colts front office doesn’t know to build depth (or anything else nowadays). Besides, your team was TRYING to lose that year. Good job

  153. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 10:10 AM

    chadisme417 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:11 AM

    Tom Brady misses a full season and Bellichik wins 11 games with Matt friggin Cassel. Manning misses a full season and the Colts organization nearly crumbles. I shudder to think what would have happened to ol Tom had his coaches been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, Fox, or Kubiak.

    ———-

    Brady went 16-0 with that team and was one play from immortality.

    Cassel went 11-5, lost the division and missed the playoffs.

    5 more losses than the previous year..

    The purposely tanking colts lost 8 more games than the year before with Manning. Not as far off as you would think.

    BB with Brady has won the division 13 of 14 years.

    BB with Cassel was 0 of 1.

    BB hasn’t won anything without Brady.

  154. somepeopleneedtogetalife says: Jan 26, 2016 10:12 AM

    Both are HOF players with incredibly distinguished careers.

    I think a lot of difference is in the two is home field. Peyton played 9 games or more in domed stadiums and Brady played in the Northeast in open air stadiums.

    To me, Peyton is like the baseball player who hits a single in the ninth inning of a game they are losing, it just pads the stats.

    Peyton got to fatten his stats on not one but two expansion teams in his division.

    Plus he had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, James, Demaryius Thomas etc.

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?

  155. 8oneanddones says: Jan 26, 2016 10:15 AM

    Playoff wins: Brady 22, Manning 13

    Super bowl wins: Brady 4 Manning 1

    Super bowl appearances: Brady 6 Manning 4

    AFC title game appearances Brady 10 Manning 5

    One and Dones: Brady 2 Manning 9

    Seasons as a starter: Brady 14 Manning 17

  156. headwoundharry says: Jan 26, 2016 10:17 AM

    Oh, but Cheat Nation says the Goat is so much better. What gives? (Have a nice ride on your couch Prince Tommy).

  157. musicfootballprogramming says: Jan 26, 2016 10:18 AM

    I am sick of people pointing to the 11-5 Cassel year. That team was LOADED offensively: Randy Moss and Welker still both playing at the height of their careers. They had 5 fewer wins than the previous year, and the schedule was RIDICULOUSLY easy. Going into that season I honestly thought the Pats would go 16-0 again. They never beat a quality team and deserved to miss the playoffs, even though they were 11-5.

    As for Manning vs. Brady winning with nothing: what hall of famers were on those 2001, 2003, and 2004 teams? Tom Brady… uh. Hmm. Ty Law? Tedy Bruschi? Mr. Two Way Troy Brown? Antowain Smith???

    How about 2014… Rob Gronkowski probably. Revis?

    How about some of those other years where they “only” got to the AFCCG? 2006: Reche Caldwell, the #1 receiver! If he could hold onto the ball Brady would have 5 rings. Heh, Ben Watson was #2 that year, with the propped up corpse of Troy Brown #3. (Had to look it up.) Yikes. No wonder they got Welker and Moss for the next season.

    2013: The Pats were very beat up that year; Edelman was their #1 receiver in the AFCCG, and drumroll please… Shane Vereen was 2nd, Austin Collie 3rd, the much missed Hoomanawanui 4th… it was a miracle they got that far. (Oh wait, no it wasn’t, they played the Colts the previous round.)

  158. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:19 AM

    Stats are a product of the rules and nothing more. The passer friendly rules today are very different than they were 10 years ago and even more different than they were before that. When you get a Nick Foles throwing 7 TD passes in a game… when before 2008 only one quarterback threw for 5000 yards in a season and since then there have been 7… and one is Matt Stafford… that tells you all you need to know.

    That is why wins and rings are the only objective and honest way to compare quarterbacks in this era and in different eras. These guys today all get to play under the same passer friendly rules so they benefit equally.

    It ain’t rocket science.
    🙂

  159. hivelocityimpactsplatter says: Jan 26, 2016 10:19 AM

    cominupthrillho says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:43 AM
    How about we just agree that they’re both great, and it has been an amazing decade and a half watching these 2 go at it.
    ****
    They can’t. Seriously, they’re incapable of acknowledging anyone or anything not their own. Praise a coach, they will bring up Belichick. Praise a player, Brady. The most insecure fanbase in all of sports.

  160. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:19 AM

    I think the Brady was blown out only once by 19 points after only scoring 14 points.
    Manning has been blown out by 41 points after scoring 0 points and 35 points after scoring only 8 points. Those are only two examples, he’s had some high teen blowouts also because his offense could only score 3 points.

  161. jwcarlson says: Jan 26, 2016 10:20 AM

    Sorry… how is 16 TDs and way more Super Bowls “a wash”?

  162. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 10:21 AM

    kissmysandwich says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:55 AM

    I’d give the edge to Peyton because he did more with worse teams. He never had a great defense in Indy. Belichick is a defensive genius and Brady’s first few years were all about the defense. Especially his first SB win. Belichick found a way to win 11 games with frickin’ Matt Cassel at the helm.

    ———–

    Huh?

    Manning did more with worse teams? Are you kidding? Manning had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Demaryius Thomas, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis. Crazy talent and probably 4 or 5 Hall of Famers at least.

    The Patriots may end up with 1 or 2 HOF players from this whole run after Brady if they are lucky. Moss for sure. Maybe Ty Law. That might be it.

    Brady has done way more with way less. In 2006 he took Manning to the brink with Reche Caldwell as his #1 receiver.

    Also… Belichick lost the division and missed the playoffs with Cassel and won 5 less games than the year before. Worse than all but Brady’s second year in the league.

  163. tgadler says: Jan 26, 2016 10:23 AM

    Brady has won 4 rings to Peyton’s 1 (so far). He’s also lost twice as many as Manning. I’d still give the edge to Brady, but those stats show it’s a lot closer than I would have thought. When it comes to the greatest, they should be 1 and 1A.

  164. fritz96 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:23 AM

    On the biggest stage

    Brady 4-2 (tied for most ever SB wins)
    13 Tds (SB Record)
    4 ints
    95.3 QB rating

    Manning (as of today) 1-2
    3 Tds
    4 ints
    88.1 QB Rating

    Joe Montana 4-0
    128 QB Rating…0 Interceptions…

  165. goattoday says: Jan 26, 2016 10:24 AM

    I wonder how this discussion goes when you remove fans from New England, Indy and Denver? This is a fun debate but an unwinnable argument.

    I’ve enjoyed watching both of these guys. At the end of the day if I have all the pieces in place and need one QB, I’ll take either one and be very happy.

  166. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:24 AM

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?


    Troy Brown wasn’t too shabby.

    Neither was Welker and of course Edelman.
    🙂

  167. Michael Heiser says: Jan 26, 2016 10:25 AM

    It’s absolutely hilarious to see the mental gymnastics that Peyton apologists go through to try to prop up their woobie. Get over yourselves. That debate was settled years ago by every sane, thinking person, and Brady is still the clear winner based on the most important statistics of all: playoffs wins and Super Bowls. Especially the Seattle Super Bowls. Seattle destroyed Peyton in the big game, yet Brady beat them for his 4th ring.

    So to all you Peyton apologists, it’s time to leave Planet Zippy and return to Earth. Peyton doesn’t have it any more. A good QB would’ve beat the Pats by 3 TD’s on Sunday based on all the open throws Peyton missed. Or you can book your flight in 2 weeks after Cam Newton destroys the Broncos and Peyton is humiliated again.

  168. mathprof84 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:27 AM

    Patriots 11-5 without Brady
    Colts 1-15 without Manning

    Need I say more?
    =============
    Yes. Yes, you do.
    You need to say that the Patriots had the fortitude and integrity to actually try to win when Tom went down. Despite this, they won 5 fewer regular season games than the previous year. Quite a drop.
    In contrast, the Colts did not bother trying to replace Manning with a real quarterback, and in classless fashion, tanked the season to get Andrew Luck, then jettisoned Peyton in the off-season.

  169. dtriebel says: Jan 26, 2016 10:27 AM

    You can always tell someone doesn’t know much about football when they resort to ring counting….

    By that idiotic logic Terry Bradshaw is better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, and John Elway put together.

    Brady and Manning are both great players and have earned it by working hard. Neither of them would have a ring without a good team around them

  170. bears5683 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:27 AM

    When Brady missed a season (2008) Pats were 11-5. When Manning missed a season Colts were 2-14. Maybe Brady played for better teams. However, Brady and Brees may play a few more years and pass some of Manning regular season records. I agree in 10 years we may be talking about Newtown vs. Wilson rivalry.

  171. bullogne says: Jan 26, 2016 10:29 AM

    gacoltfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:32 AM
    Throw Peyton, Brady, Montana, Elway in a hat and draw and you can make a great case for why they are the best ever.

    ————
    Elway isn’t even in the conversation. He is lucky if he is in the conversation for top 10.

    ———————————————————

    Your very own Bob Ryan from Boston says Elway is the best QB to ever play in the NFL even over your beloved Brady. Elway owns the Pats as a player 11-0 (Bring in the national guard, were killing the Patriots!!).
    The first poster had it correct, Mt Rushmore of QB’s in no particular order is Montana, Elway, Peyton, Brady.

  172. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:31 AM

    “The 38-34 game that Manning won (which was kind of the real Super Bowl with a mediocre Chicago team waiting) was the anomaly. Both QBs played great and Manning out dueled Brady in the end.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WRONG AGAIN

    That AFC Champ game was GIVEN to Manning by the Refs with two critical bogus calls against the Patriots in a close game.

    Even the Sports announcers made clear comments on how those two PI calls were completely bogus against the Patriots.

  173. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 10:32 AM

    Patriots fans love to tout Brady as the GOAT while knocking Peyton as a choker, but the fact is those early Super Bowls the pats won was through great defense. Now Brady is on the other end of that and was crushed by a legit defense and it’s all his lines fault.. Yet when my hawks crushed manning in the Super Bowl it was all, Peyton is a choker. Just goes to show how patriots fans only see and hear what they want to. Most delusional, not to mention most obnoxious, fanbase in all of sports. Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over. Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.

    Other teams fans envy our teams players. Other teams players envy our teams fans.
    __________________________________________

    Yes, Peyton did choke. You know who didn’t choke? Tom Brady when he played against the exact same defense and lead two fourth quarter TD drives that were the deciding factor in the game.

    Seattle beat Denver on a neutral field by 35 points. Denver beat the Patriots at home by 2. There is no comparison.

    How can you call the Seahawks a dynasty? They won one SB.

  174. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:34 AM

    If you consider Welker & Edelman as Top Recievers then you are completely BLIND.

    Brady made them GOOD.

    Brady has NEVER had any TOP WIDE RECIEVER other the a, end of the road, Randy Moss for two years.

  175. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:34 AM

    Being 4-0 in a SB is not better than 4-2. I know it’s hard to understand but follow along. All that means is that Montana lost more times in the postseason before reaching the SB. Get it? Also, Montana has a losing road record in the post season.

  176. metlifeteardown says: Jan 26, 2016 10:34 AM

    I didn’t realize Brady won 4 Super Bowls, I thought the Patriots did. I’m sure Elway was a better QB 1998 than when he was about to retire(and winning back to back Super Bowls) Matt Cassell won 11 with Patriots also where is he now? Its a team game. All this crowning of Brady as “best ever” for 4 super bowls could be completely erased by three plays. Tuck Rule, Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans drop. Its not fair but we need to stop crowning guys because they were “Super Bowl MVP”. Brady was part of a team that was a LEE EVANS drop away from losing 4 consecutive home playoff games after being dominant at home for those years. Manning won 5 MVP for a reason. When Brady plays with fused vertebra in his neck then we can talk toughness.

  177. indywilson40 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:35 AM

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?

    Yeah, other than one of the best receivers of all time(Moss) and the best TE of all time(Gronk), who has Brady had? SMH

  178. gacoltfan says: Jan 26, 2016 10:36 AM

    redsoxu571 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:53 AM
    More proof that people don’t understand football.

    Sure, their numbers are similar (as if that’s a bad thing anyway). But then factor in the typical playoff context for each QB:

    Brady- outside in the NE winter with a lineup featuring the likes of Antowain Smith, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Christian Fauria

    Manning- indoors in Indy (or in Denver where the road team has a physical breathing disadvantage) featuring the likes of Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark
    ——————————————————————————
    Really, these are the players you to say Brady has had. What about Randy Moss (top 3 receiver of all time), Gronk (maybe best TE ever), Welker and Edleman (2 of top 5 slot receivers ever).

  179. edelmanfanclub says: Jan 26, 2016 10:36 AM

    People point to the fact that Manning never had a good defense but he has always had a good offense. besides 07 (and maybe 09) when did Brady have the arsenal Manning has had his whole career? How far would Manning get with a defense and Deion Branch as his #1 WR? How far would he get with an average defense and Reche Caldwell as his #1 WR?! People say Peyton never had a defense… The 2011 NE Patriots had one of the worst defenses, Julian Edelman was playing corner in the AFC Championship game. Brady carried them to that Superbowl. He walked off in both losses with lead and got the ball back trailing with no time left. Manning threw a game clinching pick 6 and put up 8 points in two of his three of his superbowls. Manning also played in the dome, Brady is 10-2 career in a dome. If Peyton didn’t play a Rex Grossman led team in 06, would this even be a conversation? If Belichick kicks the FGs after TB led them into range, this probably isn’t a convo. What did denver score in the 2nd half? 3 points? If the games on the line does anyone actual want Peyton over Tom? I think that’s insane to say. I am not trolling Peyton at all. He’s an amazing quarterback, I just don’t see how you could pick him over Brady.

  180. PFT loves the Steelers says: Jan 26, 2016 10:38 AM

    patsfanforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM
    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.
    _________________

    Put Manning on the Patriots and Brady with the Colts. Manning would have 5 rings and Brady would have 0.

  181. Nofoolnodrool says: Jan 26, 2016 10:39 AM

    The only comparison that matters now is that Tammy gets to watch Peyton in two weeks and all you butt hurt Tee Hee tools will get to do the same. Just realize that planet Zippy is home the most delusional fans of all…the Pat’s fans. Keep in mind that 1% of the fans were happy the Broncos won and 99% were glad the Cheaties lost. Still have visions of Tammy getting tossed around .

  182. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:39 AM

    8oneanddones says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:15 AM

    Playoff wins: Brady 22, Manning 13

    Super bowl wins: Brady 4 Manning 1

    Super bowl appearances: Brady 6 Manning 4

    AFC title game appearances Brady 10 Manning 5

    One and Dones: Brady 2 Manning 9

    Seasons as a starter: Brady 14 Manning 17

    And Brady accomplished all those wins with virtually no one to throw to, except for a end of career Moss.

  183. metlifeteardown says: Jan 26, 2016 10:40 AM

    Heiser, Seattle entire secondary needed post season surgery, its not even a comparison. Thomas played with a dislocating shoulder, Sherman had a torn elbow lig, their backup corner broke his arm after picking Brady. Chancelloe had a torn MCL. Not even a comparison. You were still down 24-14 until Cliff Avril left with a concussion. Without the handtrip on Baldwin late 4th by Butler that was not called(obvious PI) he’s off to the races and its game over.

  184. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:40 AM

    Eye test.
    Also, how many game winning drives has Manning led in the 4th quarter in the SB?

    I know he’s thrown a pick 6 to secure a loss for his team (see Tracy Porter).

    His one SB win: 1 TD thrown

  185. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 10:40 AM

    Brady has won 4 rings to Peyton’s 1 (so far). He’s also lost twice as many as Manning. I’d still give the edge to Brady, but those stats show it’s a lot closer than I would have thought. When it comes to the greatest, they should be 1 and 1A.
    __________________________________________

    Huh? How is a 4-2 record (Brady) vs. a 1-2 record (Manning) in SBs considered as “lost twice as many”? Its actually won 3 times as many and has the same loss record.

  186. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:41 AM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:38 AM

    patsfanforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM
    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.
    _________________

    Put Manning on the Patriots and Brady with the Colts. Manning would have 5 rings and Brady would have 0.
    ——————————–
    What? Colts have had much better players. Check how many pro bowlers Manning played with in a dome.

  187. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:43 AM

    If you consider Welker & Edelman as Top Recievers then you are completely BLIND.


    They didn’t exactly suck either so it’s not like Brady played with absolutely nobody.🙂

    Those guys were very talented and fit very nicely into the Patriots system and were perfect complements to Brady’s passing game. I would argue a better fit than a lot of “top” receivers would have been.

    And being a top receiver does not guarantee success. See Ochocino, Chad.

    🙂

  188. bordner says: Jan 26, 2016 10:44 AM

    You forgot one important stat. Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowl victories – 3 of which are because of the field goal kicker. If the kicker misses, Tom would be 1 – 5 lifetime in Super Bowls.

    Oh, wait. If Carroll calls a run instead of a pass last year, Tom’s lifetime record in Super Bowls would be 0 – 6.

  189. silverhornet says: Jan 26, 2016 10:44 AM

    Terry Bradshaw is upset that he has not been mentioned here yet, since he’s won four rings.

    Scandals… Brady 3 (at least), Manning 0.

  190. bullogne says: Jan 26, 2016 10:46 AM

    blessedunliketherest says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:32 AM

    Patriots fans love to tout Brady as the GOAT while knocking Peyton as a choker, but the fact is those early Super Bowls the pats won was through great defense. Now Brady is on the other end of that and was crushed by a legit defense and it’s all his lines fault.. Yet when my hawks crushed manning in the Super Bowl it was all, Peyton is a choker. Just goes to show how patriots fans only see and hear what they want to. Most delusional, not to mention most obnoxious, fanbase in all of sports. Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over. Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.

    Other teams fans envy our teams players. Other teams players envy our teams fans.
    __________________________________________

    Yes, Peyton did choke. You know who didn’t choke? Tom Brady when he played against the exact same defense and lead two fourth quarter TD drives that were the deciding factor in the game.

    Seattle beat Denver on a neutral field by 35 points. Denver beat the Patriots at home by 2. There is no comparison.

    How can you call the Seahawks a dynasty? They won one SB.
    ———————————————————-

    If John Fox was the Patriots HC (and we all saw that his offensive and defensive game plans in that SB were a joke) Brady would have felt defeat to the Seahawks as well.

  191. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:46 AM

    Randy Moss was at the end of his career hen he as traded to the Patriots – nobody wanted him.

    Brady revived Moss.

    Brady makes every WR & TE = BETTTER

    Brady is far better then working with throw aways and 3rd string WR’s then Manning could ever be.

  192. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:47 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:41 AM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:38 AM

    patsfanforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM
    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.
    _________________

    Put Manning on the Patriots and Brady with the Colts. Manning would have 5 rings and Brady would have 0.
    ——————————-
    Manning best WRs on SB winning team: Harrison and Wayne (two first round picks)

    Brady’s best WR on 2014 SB winning team: Edelman, a former QB from Kent State 7th round draft pick.
    Amedola an undrafted free agent.

    Do you even know football?

  193. JaminJake says: Jan 26, 2016 10:47 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:13 AM
    Can’t just look at stats. Manning has thrown key INTs (Tracy Porter) at the wrong time. Even in his two SB losses Brady left the field with the lead and the D let the other team march down the field to score. I’m sure Manning apologists will blame the D for his SB losses, yet scoring 8 points against Seattle has nothing to do with the D.

    _________________________________

    You mean that team who was without All Pros Ryan Clady, Chris Harris Jr., Von Miller, and an injured Champ Bailey?

    That’s what happens when your team falls behind and has to abandon the run game. Denver planned to play a ball control style of football in the SB. However when the ball went over Manning’s head, that game plan along with their chances vanished from NJ that night.

    It’s funny that you lay the Porter pick on Peyton but believe Malcom Brown made a play probably.

    Brady wasn’t even a Pro Bowler or All Pro player any of his first 3 SB. When Brady went down, Matty Cassel went 11-5. Hoodie might not miss a beat when Brady retires. After all, he molded him with his own two hands.

  194. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:47 AM

    Put Manning on the Patriots and Brady with the Colts. Manning would have 5 rings and Brady would have 0.

    ——
    How do you know Brady would have 0?
    🙂

    #ILoveOpinionsPoorlyDisguisedAsFacts
    #TooFunny

  195. mathprof84 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:49 AM

    All this crowning of Brady as “best ever” for 4 super bowls could be completely erased by three plays. Tuck Rule, Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans drop.
    ———————
    Or…..we could be talking about 6 Super Bowl wins with a potential 7th if you take away the the
    helmet catch, Manningham catch, and a missed extra point.

    Winning super bowls is hard.

    The Tuck rule was called correctly. So yeah, if you went back in time and changed the rules earlier that season…..

    By Marshawn Lynch, I am guessing you mean BB baiting the Seahawks into passing at the goal line.
    They would not have been down there in the first place if there were not yet another unlikely catch.

  196. jag1959 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:50 AM

    truthprofessor says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:41 AM
    winning and losing is also a stat
    ______________________

    Yes it is. In fact it’s the only ‘stat’ that matters. Especially winning the last one of the year

  197. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:53 AM

    Manning’s played with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, two first round draft picks and won the SB.

    Brady last won the SB with Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola. One was a QB at Kent State and drafted in the 7th round, the other was an undrafted free agent.

    Tell me again how many rings Manning would have won if they switched teams?

  198. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:54 AM

    What was Belichick’s record as a head coach without Brady?
    🙂

  199. PFT loves the Steelers says: Jan 26, 2016 10:54 AM

    On average, the Pats have ranked 8th in points allowed during Brady’s tenure. He’s always had a stud receiver, be it Moss, Welker, Gronk, Branch, Edelman, etc. And the ground game has always been good with guys like Corey Dillon, Law Firm, Maroney, Ridley, Blount, etc. The defense has had some great players like Revis, Seau, Rodney Harrison, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Mike Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, Asante Samuel, Willie McGinest, etc etc. Fan Boys need to stop acting like Brady has carried the Pats by himself. It’s just not true, and it’s disrespectful to all the other great players the Pats have had during their run.

  200. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 10:55 AM

    TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:24 AM

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?


    Troy Brown wasn’t too shabby.

    Neither was Welker and of course Edelman.🙂

    —————–

    Brown won’t go to the HOF. Neither will Welker. Edelman may have an outside shot because of the punt return average, but he will have to do way more before he packs it in.

    Those are/were great players, but Brady did make them, not the other way around. You could add Branch and Givens to that list too.

    Even Moss looked like his career was about to fizzle out in Oakland, then Brady broke records with him and then he stunk again when he left NE. He wasn’t exactly in his prime by the time Brady played with him.

    Gronk is the best player that Brady has ever had in his prime for sure, hence all the success in the last 5 years.

  201. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 10:55 AM

    Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.


    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO…well you get the picture.
    🙂

  202. fritz96 says: Jan 26, 2016 10:57 AM

    Brady was only a 6th round draft pick, so by that logic he must not be any good either…

    “Brady’s best WR on 2014 SB winning team: Edelman, a former QB from Kent State 7th round draft pick.
    Amedola an undrafted free agent.”

  203. mmmcusa says: Jan 26, 2016 10:58 AM

    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”

    So much for how Manning’s play declined in Playoffs versus Regular Season, as they’re almost identical to Brady, proving many people’s point that it is TEAMS that win Super Bowls, not just QB’s so using Super Bowl wins as the measure for “greatest of all time” conversations is flawed if not downright ridiculous and intellectually flawed/lazy. Manning carried inferior teams in to the Playoffs, while Brady has had Belichick for his entire career.

    Some very average QB’s have Super Bowl wins, so does that mean they’re better than QB’s like Marino, Kelly, Kosar, etc. that never were fortunate enough to be on the complete team it takes to win one??

  204. TedHurtz says: Jan 26, 2016 10:59 AM

    Manning should have retired after their last SB blowout loss.
    My only fear this time is that he does so poorly, so quickly that they put the ostrich out.
    not that I fear his talents, because at best he is a average backup, but because I want to continue to be entertained as I watch the Panthers go for the Pick6 record against Manning

  205. mrmcdougle says: Jan 26, 2016 11:00 AM

    jag1959 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:50 AM
    truthprofessor says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:41 AM
    winning and losing is also a stat
    ______________________

    Yes it is. In fact it’s the only ‘stat’ that matters. Especially winning the last one of the year
    ————-

    So, Charles Haley is better than Reggie White?

  206. PFT loves the Steelers says: Jan 26, 2016 11:01 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:47 AM
    Manning best WRs on SB winning team: Harrison and Wayne (two first round picks)

    Brady’s best WR on 2014 SB winning team: Edelman, a former QB from Kent State 7th round draft pick.
    Amedola an undrafted free agent.
    __________________________

    Why does draft status matter? By that logic, Tom Brady is a terrible QB cuz 6th round draft pick. I like how you say “WRs” so you can leave out possibly the best TE of all-time Rob Gronkowski.

  207. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 11:01 AM

    Some very average QB’s have Super Bowl wins, so does that mean they’re better than QB’s like Marino, Kelly, Kosar, etc. that never were fortunate enough to be on the complete team it takes to win one??

    —–
    Except….it’s funny how those average quarterbacks never win more than one isn’t it?

  208. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 11:04 AM

    Patriots fans love to tout Brady as the GOAT while knocking Peyton as a choker, but the fact is those early Super Bowls the pats won was through great defense. Now Brady is on the other end of that and was crushed by a legit defense and it’s all his lines fault.. Yet when my hawks crushed manning in the Super Bowl it was all, Peyton is a choker. Just goes to show how patriots fans only see and hear what they want to. Most delusional, not to mention most obnoxious, fanbase in all of sports. Patriots severely tainted dynasty is over. Seahawks dynasty is still young and growing strong.

    Other teams fans envy our teams players. Other teams players envy our teams fans.
    __________________________________________

    Yes, Peyton did choke. You know who didn’t choke? Tom Brady when he played against the exact same defense and lead two fourth quarter TD drives that were the deciding factor in the game.

    Seattle beat Denver on a neutral field by 35 points. Denver beat the Patriots at home by 2. There is no comparison.

    How can you call the Seahawks a dynasty? They won one SB.
    ———————————————————-

    If John Fox was the Patriots HC (and we all saw that his offensive and defensive game plans in that SB were a joke) Brady would have felt defeat to the Seahawks as well.
    ________________________________________

    Isn’t the conversation over when you have to come up with hypotheticals? The fact is game plans are meaningless without execution. Brady executed two fourth quarter TD drives. What John Fox’s game plan has to do that is beyond me. When Denver loses by 35 points, its more than just game plan. You can blame John Fox – but let’s be honest, the team choked between the lines.

  209. htowntexan says: Jan 26, 2016 11:07 AM

    neither hold a candle to brian hoyer.

  210. wantsomecheesewiththatwhine says: Jan 26, 2016 11:07 AM

    amazing, you cherry pick the stats that elevate manning to brady level (but still don’t exceed that level) but leave out all the other stats that don’t even come close, like win/loss %, TD/INT ratio, and try to say he’s the same.
    he’s close, i’ll give you that, but does not exceed brady

  211. edelmanfanclub says: Jan 26, 2016 11:08 AM

    You forgot one important stat. Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowl victories – 3 of which are because of the field goal kicker. If the kicker misses, Tom would be 1 – 5 lifetime in Super Bowls.

    Oh, wait. If Carroll calls a run instead of a pass last year, Tom’s lifetime record in Super Bowls would be 0 – 6.
    ___________

    Actually, the first two super bowls. The game was tied so a miss would have forced OT. The 3rd, the Pats were up 24-14, and won 24-21, the game ended as a defensive stop.

    I can play this game too though. Tyree and Manningham drop the passes. Brady is 6-0.

    You know what Manning is, 1-2.

  212. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:09 AM

    gacoltfan says:Jan 26, 2016 10:03 AM
    All you people the only stat that matters is playoff record and number rings, I have one question. Was Brady a better QB his first 4 years than he has been the last 10?
    ***
    Great point. I don’t think all of these Sullys & Fitzys from Bahston have the mental ability to understand the irony of this argument.

    When the Pats won their first 3 titles, Brady was a GAME MANAGER with a ferocious elite defense & best clutch kicker ever but Brady got all of the glory thanks to some clutch field goal drives. Since Manning had just an average defense on his side, he was forced to carry his team to victory. And when he couldn’t lead his weaker Colts TEAMS to victory against the better Patriots TEAMS, all those Sullys said Manning was all about stats & a choker.

    Fast forward to last Sunday. Peyton was a GAME MANAGER with a ferocious #1 defense & a clutch kicker (7 for 7 fg in 2 games). On the other side, Brady was forced to carry his team to victory. To his credit (plus 2 all-time great catches by Gronk), Brady almost pulled that game out of his keester.

    But just like those playoff games in Foxboro in 2004 and 2005, the best TEAM won with a big assist from the Game Manager QB who avoided making the killer mistakes.

  213. blessedunliketherest says: Jan 26, 2016 11:11 AM

    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”

    So much for how Manning’s play declined in Playoffs versus Regular Season, as they’re almost identical to Brady, proving many people’s point that it is TEAMS that win Super Bowls, not just QB’s so using Super Bowl wins as the measure for “greatest of all time” conversations is flawed if not downright ridiculous and intellectually flawed/lazy. Manning carried inferior teams in to the Playoffs, while Brady has had Belichick for his entire career.

    Some very average QB’s have Super Bowl wins, so does that mean they’re better than QB’s like Marino, Kelly, Kosar, etc. that never were fortunate enough to be on the complete team it takes to win one??
    ________________________________________

    First, the “Manning carried inferior teams” is illogical and incorrect. Manning always had superior offenses. But I’ll run with your statement for argument’s sake…….the fact that he led them to the playoffs does not mean anything when you can’t win the SB…..and his legacy is 3 SB appearances with only 1 win and 2 losses (likely going to be 3 losses). If you wanted to support your argument for greatest ever with “inferior” teams, he needs to have more titles. Just getting your team to the playoffs is not enough.

    Can we also stop with the “almost identical” and “wash” comments. 800 fewer yards, 16 fewer TDs, and only 4 fewer picks is not almost identical.

  214. TedHurtz says: Jan 26, 2016 11:11 AM

    You mean that team who was without All Pros Ryan Clady, Chris Harris Jr., Von Miller, and an injured Champ Bailey?

    That’s what happens when your team falls behind and has to abandon the run game. Denver planned to play a ball control style of football in the SB. However when the ball went over Manning’s head, that game plan along with their chances vanished from NJ that night.

    It’s funny that you lay the Porter pick on Peyton but believe Malcom Brown made a play probably.

    Brady wasn’t even a Pro Bowler or All Pro player any of his first 3 SB. When Brady went down, Matty Cassel went 11-5. Hoodie might not miss a beat when Brady retires. -After all, he molded him with his own two hands.
    ———————

    so.. one play dictated that the entire donkey game plan changed for the rest of the game? and wasnt that the FIRST play of the game for them??

    LOL what a joke.
    I wonder what the excuse is going to be WHEN you get your assess handed to you this time.
    Donks dont even belong in this game.

  215. granadafan says: Jan 26, 2016 11:13 AM

    This just proves that QBs are given way too much credit for wins/losses. Brady has had a better TEAM. If not for a terrible playcall and timely interception, Brady would be another losing QB in the Super Bowl.

  216. bullcharger says: Jan 26, 2016 11:14 AM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:38 AM

    patsfanforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM
    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.
    _________________

    Put Manning on the Patriots and Brady with the Colts. Manning would have 5 rings and Brady would have 0.

    —————-

    1998 – The colts have a rookie manning and Marshall Faulk and go 3-13. Faulk goes to the Rams the next year and is the key to winning the Super Bowl with former grocery bagger, Warner.

    Belichick, not good enough to be a head coach due to record in Cleveland of 36-44 (.450).

    1999 – Manning goes to the playoffs, one and done against Tenn. after going 13-3.

    Belichick, not good enough to be a head coach due to record in Cleveland of 36-44 (.450).

    2000 – Manning goes to the playoffs, one and done against Miami after going 10-6.

    Belichick first year as Head Coach of the Patriots with Drew Bledsoe (a first over all pick), goes 5-11, misses playoffs. Defensive players remarkably similar to 2001.

    2001 – Manning goes 6-10, Misses playoffs.

    Belichick goes 0-2 with Bledsoe starting. Brady replaces him due to injury. Beats Manning 44-13 in his first start, wins 11 of 13 (including 6 in a row to end the season) and goes on to win the Super Bowl.

    Everybody knows the rest.

    I would say that Brady seems like he was the catalyst to all the Patriots success and he is pretty good. Manning is great too, but he wasn’t exactly winning Super Bowls in his first few years even though he had great players around him and I don’t think having Belichick at that time would have made a lick of difference.

  217. wantsomecheesewiththatwhine says: Jan 26, 2016 11:15 AM

    amazing, you cherry pick the stats that elevate manning to brady level, but still don’t exceed that level. in fact, the only stats better that brady are by hundreths or thousands of a percentage point.
    you leave out all the other stats that don’t even come close, like win/loss %, TD/INT ratio, and try to say he’s the same.
    he’s close, i’ll give you that, but does not exceed brady

  218. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:15 AM

    bordner says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:44 AM

    You forgot one important stat. Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowl victories – 3 of which are because of the field goal kicker. If the kicker misses, Tom would be 1 – 5 lifetime in Super Bowls.

    Oh, wait. If Carroll calls a run instead of a pass last year, Tom’s lifetime record in Super Bowls would be 0 – 6.
    ————————-
    Yes, Brady is the only QB to have a kicker to kick FGs in a game.

    Manning, one TD in his SB win. One defensive TD and 3 FGs.

    Also, maybe if Manning doesn’t score only 8 points against Seahawks or doesn’t throw a pick six against the Saints, he would have more SB wins.

  219. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:23 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:Jan 26, 2016 9:30 AM

    When where those INTs thrown? I’m sure Brady never threw an INT in the SB that sealed the game for the opposing team (see Tracy Porter interception)

    ***
    The Colts’ Marlin Jackson intercepted Brady to end the 2007 AFCCG.

    While leading 17-15 in the 4th Qtr of SB XLVI, Brady threw a dumb INT on a 1st down play.

    But I suppose none of those count due to some excuse that Sully or Fitzy will make up.

  220. luckyforus says: Jan 26, 2016 11:23 AM

    Brady executed two fourth quarter TD drives.

    Against Seattle’s decimated defense that lost 2 key players in the game and had 3 other guys playing hurt.

    Up until the 4th qtr Brady was awful.

    And saying Brady left the field in the SB against the Giants with the lead. Brady’s record offense scored a grand total of 14 points. Brady didn’t deserve to win.

    Brady has never beaten a Belichick coached team.

    If you look at playoff records and super bowls since 2004, their records and stats are almost identical. Clearly Brady is a much better QB post 2004 so why only one SB win. It’s obvious, his teams weren’t the best every year post 2004.

    You need good coaching, offense, defense, and special teams to win SB’s. Peyton has had poor coaching, defense and special teams more often than not. Peyton carried the Colts to the playoffs many years, they just didn’t have the overall team to win it all.

  221. PFT loves the Steelers says: Jan 26, 2016 11:26 AM

    2007 Brady: 16-0
    2008 Cassel: 11-5
    2009 Brady: 10-6

    I love how Brady fans point out that Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady in 2007, but they ignore that Brady had a worse record than Cassel in 2009.

  222. veddermn8 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:30 AM

    clavette says: Jan 26, 2016 7:03 AM

    Manning can read a defense without having someone illegally filming practices ahead of time.

    If only the pats were able to sneak into mile high ahead of time..
    …………………………………

    It was and STILL IS LEGAL TO TAPE SIGNALS. You just can’t do it from the sidelines per a rule change in the 2007 offseason. Pats did it on sidelines during the opener against the Jets and were dinged for it. Not really a big deal in larger scheme of things.

    Much worse is the late 90’s multiple salary cap violations, steroid use and admissions that the lineman used silicone spray on their jerseys to make them harder to grasp.

  223. milehirow39 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:31 AM

    Fortunate to have seen the “greats” live. Yes, I’m biased, but here’s my top 5:

    1) Montana. GOAT. Perfection on the biggest stage.
    2) Elway. Took less more times than anyone else. Literally carried teams, with no names, on his back.
    3) Brady. Consistent. Able to do it over and over and over…..tough too. (Took a beating in Denver and kept getting up.)
    4) Manning. You don’t play as many big games as he has, win or lose, and not be considered great.
    5) Marino. Manning without the post season record. Quickest release ever.

  224. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:34 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:Jan 26, 2016 11:15 AM

    Manning, one TD in his SB win. One defensive TD and 3 FGs.
    ***
    WRONG AGAIN! The Colts offense scored 2 TD’s (not 1) plus 3 FG’s (Vinatieri missed 1 XP). The Colts D clinched it with a late pick-six. They won that game (played in a downpour) because the Colts D played great & Manning was a solid GAME MANAGER that day. He used a short passing game & a solid running attack — 24 1st downs, 8 of 18 3rd down conv, 81 plays 430 yards…in a downpour.

    Just like Brady’s first 3 titles, Peyton helped his team with the SB by being a great Game Manager QB.

  225. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 11:38 AM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 11:26 AM

    2007 Brady: 16-0
    2008 Cassel: 11-5
    2009 Brady: 10-6

    I love how Brady fans point out that Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady in 2007, but they ignore that Brady had a worse record than Cassel in 2009.

    2015 Osweiler 5-2.
    🙂

    I love how the pro Peyton argument forgets that one. Kinda recent too.

    The end.
    🙂

  226. veddermn8 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:39 AM

    Manning also is the all time leader with 4 postseason pick sixes.

  227. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 11:40 AM

    2) Elway. Took less more times than anyone else. Literally carried teams, with no names, on his back.

    Is that really credit to Elway or the fact the AFC was trash in that era?

    #Hmmm
    #FoodForThought

  228. bspurloc says: Jan 26, 2016 11:43 AM

    .
    season stats mean nothing…
    The whole point of the game is to win the Super Bowl only thing better than that is going undefeated…

    Eli > Peyton until Peyton gets 2 rings.
    nothing else matters…
    Dan Marino is a nobody, but the 1 ring Peyton has, puts Peyton above Marino.

  229. sactogary says: Jan 26, 2016 11:45 AM

    “Passer rating … gives Manning a career postseason mark of 88.1. Brady’s career postseason passer rating is 88.0.”

    This is especially poignant in light of Manning’s predecessor in Denver, whose career postseason passer rating is 90.0.

  230. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:47 AM

    By the way, I don’t think any Broncos/Colts/Manning supporters would even dispute this statement — if Sunday’s game was in Foxboro, the Patriots beat the Broncos.

    So you should can only blame yourselves for losses to Osweiler & 3 non-playoff teams (you lost to Miami with the #1-seed on the line!) for Sunday’s defeat.

  231. ampatsisahypocrite says: Jan 26, 2016 11:49 AM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:

    I love how Brady fans point out that Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady in 2007, but they ignore that Brady had a worse record than Cassel in 2009.
    ——————————————————–

    Which just goes to show what garbage this whole Pats-fan-created myth is that “the Patriots would’ve won it all in ’08 if Brady hadn’t got hurt.” They didn’t win it the year before WITH Brady and they didn’t win it the year after WITH Brady, but for some reason they would’ve been a lock to take it all if only they had Brady in ’08? Huh?

    Thanks for pointing out how ridiculous this whole fantasy is…

  232. RE LEE says: Jan 26, 2016 11:50 AM

    How could anyone say that Peyton does better with less is beyond me. The only real elite one Brady has is Gronk who was/ is injured a lot. Moss who was 30 years old and at the end of his career yet Brady made him set records. His receivers didn’t crack the top 10 except for Gronk when he’s healthy. Elway gave Peyton really good players to work with. Brady has Edelman, Amendola whom Brady grooms himself and Gronk who was out a lot because of injuries. Lewis another nobody who got hurt. etc etc and Brady is sixth rounder himself and Peyton a first rounder. Yet Brady got 4 rings.
    Stats is for losers, so BB said.
    I still want to see Brady play with really elite receivers seeing what he was able to do with Moss. We haven’t seen the best of Brady and sadly we probably never will. Imagine him playing with the likes of Julio Jones or Antonio Brown even Sanders…
    Both Peyton and Brady have been giving us the best they’ve got. We are lucky to see these two play. There probably won’t be another ones like them. We fans are the winners in the contest between these two.

  233. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 26, 2016 11:57 AM

    kissmysandwich says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:55 AM

    I’d give the edge to Peyton because he did more with worse teams. He never had a great defense in Indy.

    ———-

    really?

    so do you discount the Colts having, in 2005, the #2 scoring offense and the #2 defense (points against) and losing their 1st playoff game?

    or how about 2007, with the #3 scoring offense and the #1 defense (points against) also losing in the 1st round?

    Look, I’ll give you that a lot of the Colts’ teams did not have great defenses, but there were some years they did, and didn’t go anywhere.

  234. whybotherifeverythinggetscensored says: Jan 26, 2016 11:58 AM

    The deeper you go in the playoffs, the better the competition, so of course, your numbers will be lower. Mr. One-and-Done doesn’t even thrive in the first round when he goes out so often.

  235. savethebs says: Jan 26, 2016 12:00 PM

    season stats mean nothing…
    The whole point of the game is to win the Super Bowl only thing better than that is going undefeated…

    Eli > Peyton until Peyton gets 2 rings.
    nothing else matters…
    Dan Marino is a nobody, but the 1 ring Peyton has, puts Peyton above Marino.

    ———————-

    Ok, you take Dilfer or Johnson & I will take Marino Or Jim Kelly & my team will wipe the floor with yours.

    It’s an idiotic argument when there the QB is 1/11 of his team on the field & 1/22 of his team overall.

  236. padronebradfather says: Jan 26, 2016 12:10 PM

    Peyton beats the Patriots who cheat, in certain instances, the refs and has comparable stats to Brady anyway despite having no Ernie Adams illegally filming. Peyton is a stud, Brady is a fraud. If you have a take other than this, I cannot respect your football acumen.

  237. fritz96 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:13 PM

    Getting picked off instead of throwing to a wide open Gronk at the end of the AFCCG was just as bad.

    “I’m sure Brady never threw an INT in the SB that sealed the game for the opposing team (see Tracy Porter interception)”

  238. shyts7 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:14 PM

    Brady is an always will be the better QB. He has performed better in clutch situations than Manning has. Manning gets the benefit of the doubt because he was so good in the regular season, but, the fact of the matter is he has done less with more.

    Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, and Pierre Garcon. All of those guys has been very good receivers not only with Peyton but with other QB’s.

    Other than one year, Brady has only had Deion Branch, Jermaine Wiggins, Troy Brown, Welker, and now Gronk and Edelman.

    Now who has done more with less? Only reason you think Manning is better is because of being jealous of what Brady has accomplished.

  239. rollotomasi14 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:21 PM

    PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 11:01 AM

    rollotomasi14 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:47 AM
    Manning best WRs on SB winning team: Harrison and Wayne (two first round picks)

    Brady’s best WR on 2014 SB winning team: Edelman, a former QB from Kent State 7th round draft pick.
    Amedola an undrafted free agent.
    __________________________

    Why does draft status matter? By that logic, Tom Brady is a terrible QB cuz 6th round draft pick.
    ———————————–
    I didn’t say anyone is terrible, my point is that Manning apologist always say he had nobody to play with.

  240. revelation123 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:33 PM

    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”
    ——————————

    That’s the same kind of argument that says Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

    Entire teams win games, not Quarterbacks. Wins are a team stat.

  241. djvh2 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:37 PM

    Brady crumbled when he had some pressure on him. Rodgers has that kind of pressure and more every week. It’s pretty obvious Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, he just needs a decent coach now.

  242. jetfanfolife says: Jan 26, 2016 12:38 PM

    patsfanforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:14 AM

    Except for one stat: Brady – 4 cheats, Manning – 1 ring.

    …fixed. You’re welcome

  243. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:45 PM

    Just like Brady’s first 3 titles, Peyton helped his team with the SB by being a great Game Manager QB.

    WRONG AGAIN

    if you want to call Brady a game manager for his first SB that’s okay

    But when he won his second SB he set the SB at the time for most pass attempts in a SB and passed for 353 yards in that game. A “game manager” doesn’t set a record for most attempts and pass for 353 yards

    With his 3rd SB he LED the NFL in passing yards for the season. A “a game manager ” doesn’t lead the league in passing yards. He also matched every Philly TD and then some. A game manager doesn’t do that.

  244. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:47 PM

    djvh2 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:37 PM
    Brady crumbled when he had some pressure on him. Rodgers has that kind of pressure and more every week. It’s pretty obvious Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, he just needs a decent coach n

    Please “Brady Crumbled” but yet the game came down to the final play.

    How did Rogers do when he played in Denver this season.

    Oh yeah he didn’t pass for 100 yards

  245. tim8450 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:47 PM

    #1
    slice60 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:38 AM
    Yep. It’s all about wins & losses.

    Brady’s playoff record vs the Manning brothers 2-5. ** He hasn’t beaten them in over 11 years. **

    Response:
    that is mostly because the Mannings miss the playoffs so frequently. The Pats have been to the last 5 AFCCG while Manning’s team does not even have a winning record and his coach was fired.

    #2
    P Manning, and a his huge Colts contract, left the colts, who play in the truly softest division in football, unable to field a defense. It was so bad that the team had to dump him. Is this an indication of the GOAT QB?

    People complain about the AFC East being weak, but come on, Jags, Texans and Titans every year?

    Brady, while you can perhaps argue based on some stats that he is not “better” than the other HOF QBs, works with the Patriots on a reasonable contract, and as a result, the team is able to compete every year for an AFC championship and has taken the team to 6 Superbowls. Part of the reason the Patriots may have more talent is due to Brady’s unselfishness.

    Compare that to the 1-15 Colts.

  246. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 12:49 PM

    revelation123 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:33 PM

    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”
    ——————————

    That’s the same kind of argument that says Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

    —-
    Not really.🙂

    Dilfer won just 1 ring and it wasn’t much because of anything he did.

    Brady has won 4 and of course he had a whole lot to do with them.

    As I said before…ever notice how the Bradys of the NFL win more than one ring and the Dilfers, Brad Johnsons, Rypiens and so on never win more than one?🙂

    #NotACoincidence
    #TheresAReasonForThat
    #PoorAnalogy

    Not really.🙂

  247. tim8450 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:51 PM

    revelation123 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:33 PM
    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”
    ——————————

    That’s the same kind of argument that says Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

    Entire teams win games, not Quarterbacks. Wins are a team stat.

    Response: Ok, I will give you that “teams” win, but Brady won the 4 rings, and went to 6 superbowls, with essentially 3-4 different Patriots teams. There was very carryover, except for Brady.

  248. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 12:52 PM

    But when he won his second SB he set the SB at the time for most pass attempts in a SB and passed for 353 yards in that game. A “game manager” doesn’t set a record for most attempts and pass for 353 yards

    —–

    And don’t forget that Brady was forced to carry his team in that game in the 4th quarter after key players on D got hurt and they were getting lit up by Jake Delhommme….

    If Brady was a game manager then the Patriots lose by 2 TDs.

  249. mmack66 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:52 PM

    padronebradfather says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:10 PM

    Peyton beats the Patriots who cheat, in certain instances, the refs and has comparable stats to Brady anyway despite having no Ernie Adams illegally filming. Peyton is a stud, Brady is a fraud. If you have a take other than this, I cannot respect your football acumen.
    —————————-

    Lawl. Who would want the respect of a delusional bozo such as yourself?

  250. flash1287 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:53 PM

    revelation123 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:33 PM
    “Except for one stat: Brady – 4 rings, Manning – 1 ring.”
    ——————————

    That’s the same kind of argument that says Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

    Entire teams win games, not Quarterbacks. Wins are a team stat.

    Then why is there a stat in the NFL record books for QB w/l record?
    Why is there a stat in the NFL record books for QB playoff w/l record?

    No one ever said Dilfer is better than Marino because he has a ring.

    But when you start Winning multiple rings that says something.

    Why do you think people always mention Montana as best ever bet never mention Marino?

    Marion’s stats blow Montanas away they played in the same era. But history only remembers the winners.

    If Manning gets losses this SB all people will say is he was 1-4 in the big game and Brady was 4-2

    Like it or not, that’s how it is.

  251. tigerlilac says: Jan 26, 2016 12:54 PM

    To quote Herm Edwards: “You play to win the game.”

    To quote Bill Belichick: “Stats are for losers.”

    Congratulations to Manning for Sunday’s win but Brady is the quarterback with the most playoff wins in NFL history.

  252. gacoltfan says: Jan 26, 2016 12:55 PM

    somepeopleneedtogetalife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:12 AM

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?

    —————————————-

    Belichick and much better OLines.

  253. mmack66 says: Jan 26, 2016 12:57 PM

    djvh2 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:37 PM

    Brady crumbled when he had some pressure on him. Rodgers has that kind of pressure and more every week. It’s pretty obvious Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, he just needs a decent coach now.
    —————————

    Any quarterback would “crumble” with pressure like that. Regardless of the pressure, Brady still put them in position to tie the game at the end.

  254. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 26, 2016 1:11 PM

    gacoltfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 12:55 PM

    somepeopleneedtogetalife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:12 AM

    Other than Gronk now and a few seasons of Moss, who has Brady had?

    —————————————-

    Belichick and much better OLines.

    ———

    lol

    Manning’s teams have had the #4 or higher ranked offense in scoring in 11 or the 14 seasons they made the playoffs. That’s:

    #1 (2)
    #2 (5)
    #3 (2)
    #4 (2)

    you don’t get there by yourself.

  255. veddermn8 says: Jan 26, 2016 1:16 PM

    padronebradfather says: Jan 26, 2016 12:10 PM

    Peyton beats the Patriots who cheat, in certain instances, the refs and has comparable stats to Brady anyway despite having no Ernie Adams illegally filming. Peyton is a stud, Brady is a fraud. If you have a take other than this, I cannot respect your football acumen.
    …………………

    One game of sideline taping against the Jets with no real proof it was used in-game isn’t really much of anything. And that was only because they changed the rule in 2007 that you cannot tape on sidelines. IT WAS AND STILL IT LEGAL TO TAPE, just not on the sidelines! Before the 2007 off season, you could tape anywhere you wanted to. Other coaches (Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Schottenheimer) even said they did it too, but it didn’t really help.

    And Peyton has some serious questions to answer about his wife’s admitted HGH use. HGH has very specific medical uses, most are for children with growth disorders, the elderly and people with terminal illness, not otherwise healthy 30-something year old women.

  256. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 1:24 PM

    One game of sideline taping against the Jets with no real proof it was used in-game isn’t really much of anything. And that was only because they changed the rule in 2007 that you cannot tape on sidelines. IT WAS AND STILL IT LEGAL TO TAPE, just not on the sidelines! Before the 2007 off season, you could tape anywhere you wanted to. Other coaches (Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Schottenheimer) even said they did it too, but it didn’t really help.

    —-
    As I said before…. the thought and effort is noble, worthy and intelligent…and absolutely correct…but it is pointless.

    It’s much more productive to get literally in Patriot Hater’s grill and laugh at them. I just think it’s fun watching them prove again and again that they are too wussy to take what they dish out. 🙂

    #WellTheyAre
    #TruthHurts

  257. TeeHeeLOLatPatsHaters says: Jan 26, 2016 1:31 PM

    Did you know that Joe Montana has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 4th in the NFL in scoring?

    It’s true.🙂

    Therefore, he must not be that good according to some of the genius logic I’m seeing here.😀

  258. canedaddy says: Jan 26, 2016 1:34 PM

    One did it the right way and one is a documented cheater. End of story.

    And please, enough of this silliness of giving quarterbacks a W-L total like they’re pitchers in baseball, especially when it comes to rings. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls; Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Dan Fouts didn’t. It means nothing. Football is a team game… a mediocre QB can win with a great OL, receivers and defense, and a great QB can lose if he’s surrounded by garbage.

  259. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 1:41 PM

    slice60 says:Jan 26, 2016 11:47 AM

    By the way, I don’t think any Broncos/Colts/Manning supporters would even dispute this statement — if Sunday’s game was in Foxboro, the Patriots beat the Broncos.

    So you should can only blame yourselves for losses to Osweiler & 3 non-playoff teams (you lost to Miami with the #1-seed on the line!) for Sunday’s defeat.
    ***
    That’s right. I am quoting myself.

    If the tables were turned, all of the Sullys & Fitzys would be crucifying Manning for blowing TWO chances to clinch the #1 seed with losses to NYJ & Miami in weeks 16-17. Home field was HUGE in Sunday’s game. My friends who are long-time Bronco season ticket holders said that the stadium has never been louder.

    If the Pats didn’t CHOKE in NY & Miami, they would probably be going to the SB.

    On the other hand, Denver had to win in week 17 to avoid dropping all the way to the #5 seed. The entire Broncos offense was playing terribly vs SD when Peyton entered the game trailing 13-7 AFTER BEING OUT FOR 7 WEEKS.
    5 for 9, 69 yards doesn’t sound like much. But here are the drives after he entered the game: TD, FG, FG, Punt, TD, 1st down to ice the game.

    So Manning a lot of credit for leading his team to a crucial week 17 comeback victory after being out injured for a long stretch. The Broncos are now in the SB because they won that week 17 game — from the 5-seed, there’s no way they would have won 3 straight road games.

  260. tigerlilac says: Jan 26, 2016 1:50 PM

    Please look up both players records in the playoffs and in super bowls. Those facts paint a very different picture.

    Brady’s winning percentage in the playoffs is above 70% and Peyton’s is below 50%.

    Brady is 4 – 2 in super bowls and Peyton is 1 – 2.

    No knock on Peyton, he is a great quarterback and I love watching him compete, but to imply their (Brady and Peyton’s) post season performance is on par is a distortion.

  261. ebraz99999 says: Jan 26, 2016 1:53 PM

    I’m sorry, but all of you who point out “cheating” – do you realize that Denver is the biggest cheating team out there? How do they stay under the salary cap while paying top dollar for every great player that comes available?
    Brady has done more with players that were not top dollar, untrained players.. Peyton in Denver has had so many great players (that were developed into great players by other teams).
    Brady takes “no-names” and makes them into champions. Peyton gets his bought for him.

  262. Mo Pro Babble says: Jan 26, 2016 1:54 PM

    milehirow39 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 11:31 AM
    Fortunate to have seen the “greats” live. Yes, I’m biased, but here’s my top 5:

    1) Montana. GOAT. Perfection on the biggest stage. Benefitted from no salary cap. can’t compare eras.
    2) Elway. Took less more times than anyone else. Literally carried teams, with no names, on his back. Put himself behind with picks week after week thus becoming the comeback king.
    3) Brady. Consistent. Able to do it over and over and over…..tough too. (Took a beating in Denver and kept getting up.) Take away Moss, name one HOF skill player on offense.
    4) Manning. You don’t play as many big games as he has, win or lose, and not be considered great. Dome team, mucho cheating, softest division in the league for years.
    5) Marino. Manning without the post season record. One Quickest release ever. And the smartest cheat ever. Fake spike, throws TD. If Brady did this there’d be a reckoning. Hard to understand how he never made it to more than one SB with HOF Shula, the biggest of all the cheats.

    Allow me to retort, see above.

  263. whywerule says: Jan 26, 2016 2:12 PM

    3) Brady. Consistent. Able to do it over and over and over…..tough too. (Took a beating in Denver and kept getting up.) Take away Moss, name one HOF skill player on offense

    Gronk is certainly on his way to being a HOF lock. He does not have the longevity yet, but no one argues that he is not a HOF talent. And he is probably closer than people think to being a HOF lock already, with TE records for post-season TDs, most seasons with 10+ TDs, etc.

  264. skawh says: Jan 26, 2016 2:14 PM

    Manning has done more with less team support around him. And he’s done it without cheating!

  265. davew128 says: Jan 26, 2016 2:25 PM

    savethebs says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:39 AM

    Frankly, if Manning had come into the league in a situation as good as Brady’s I think he’d also have 3-4 rings. Think about how good Brady has had it. 1 team, 1 coach, 1 offensive system. They were a playoff team with a great defense when he was drafted.
    ******************
    Umm the Pats were 8-8 with Pete Carroll and out of the playoffs when they drafted Brady, and went 5-11 his first year with Belichick while Brady was 4th on the depth chart. You may want to rethink that comment.

  266. leafsfins says: Jan 26, 2016 2:28 PM

    And manning never cheated…frig a bum Andrew Gould from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, planet earth, Galaxy

  267. whywerule says: Jan 26, 2016 2:30 PM

    skawh says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:14 PM
    Manning has done….it without cheating!

    The Peyton Manning apologist crowd continuing to insist that taking HGH is not cheating.

    Not to mention the years of piped in crowd noise in Indy, and whatever salary cap shenanigans the Broncos are currently up to.

  268. solo681 says: Jan 26, 2016 2:39 PM

    skawh says:
    Jan 26, 2016 2:14 PM

    Manning has done more with less team support around him. And he’s done it without cheating!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Give Brady the weapons that Manning has had on Offense and an OLine to protect him and Brady would have 6 Rings and on to his 7th.

    Headline should say:
    ‘REMARKABLY Manning does not come close to Brady in Super Bowl appearances and wins !!!

  269. jethog1 says: Jan 26, 2016 3:01 PM

    Brady has had one coach his entire time in the NFL. That coach is regarded as the best in football history. Manning has had 5 coaches none of which are regarded has even in the top 25. Would those number be anywhere close to the same if the coaching stats were switched.

  270. goattoday says: Jan 26, 2016 3:17 PM

    jethog1 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 3:01 PM
    Brady has had one coach his entire time in the NFL. That coach is regarded as the best in football history. Manning has had 5 coaches none of which are regarded has even in the top 25. Would those number be anywhere close to the same if the coaching stats were switched.
    =====
    Who said he’s best in football history other than you? He is great! Probably top 5. But the best of all time? That’s a whole new discussion.

  271. slice60 says: Jan 26, 2016 3:33 PM

    whywerule says:Jan 26, 2016 2:30 PM

    The Peyton Manning apologist crowd continuing to insist that taking HGH is not cheating.

    Not to mention the years of piped in crowd noise in Indy, and whatever salary cap shenanigans the Broncos are currently up to.
    ***
    C’mon you can do better than that!
    – The Colts turned up the heat in the old Hoosier Dome for the 2007 AFCCG.
    – The Colts doctored the intercepted football before tattling to the NFL in last year’s AFCCG.

    The Pats are lily white innocent! They are always being framed!

  272. pointtwopsiistheissue says: Jan 26, 2016 4:19 PM

    HGH is a banned substance. It’s considered a PED(performance enhancing drug). Just ask Rodney Harrison who had a 4 game suspension before he joined the Patriots for testing positive for HGH. So Yes, Manning is a cheater. Since middle school science proves there was NO TAMPERING, Tom is innocent.

  273. kmartin173 says: Jan 26, 2016 5:15 PM

    Its not how many interceptions you throw, its WHEN you throw them that matters. Peyton should know and Romo definitely knows.

  274. tim8450 says: Jan 26, 2016 5:29 PM

    Peyton’s and his coaches’ post-season failures are getting his coaches fired.

    It’s not like their success led them to jump ship for huge contracts at the end of their contracts.

    Their coaching changes are the result of their own failures.

  275. mathprof84 says: Jan 26, 2016 6:23 PM

    The Broncos tend to be successful at Mile Hgh Stadium.

  276. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Jan 27, 2016 10:29 AM

    jethog1 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 3:01 PM

    Brady has had one coach his entire time in the NFL. That coach is regarded as the best in football history. Manning has had 5 coaches none of which are regarded has even in the top 25. Would those number be anywhere close to the same if the coaching stats were switched.
    ———

    One head coach. He has had multiple offensive coordinators, which have always been the ones calling the plays.

    The offense has evolved over the years based on the skill sets of the players obtained, while in Manning’s case players were obtained to fit Manning’s skill set.

  277. seabrawk12 says: Jan 27, 2016 11:52 AM

    1 Ring > ****

  278. rahavort says: Jan 27, 2016 5:23 PM

    No, they really don’t……

  279. mr1drful says: Jan 27, 2016 6:28 PM

    Brady’s arm is still good at 38. Putting him down for shorter routes is pointless, because that was play-call to flow of the game. He can still lay it in there, unlike those ugly ducks that Manning throws. Again with Montana and Otto Graham comparisons, lol. Wtf. Fwiw, Montana was done at 38, the last 3-4 years he was a shell of his former self.

  280. chawk12thman says: Jan 27, 2016 7:19 PM

    This argument will go on and on……It gets better and more intense if somehow the Broncos can win SB50………Winning the SB with a second team, at his age will only generate more fuel to this intense fire. Clearly the two best QBs of this generation.

  281. plum54 says: Jan 27, 2016 8:01 PM

    Even if by some miracle HGH wins super bowl 50, he will still only have 2 rings to TB12’s 4. End of story. Rings are what COUNT!!

  282. minneapolisnick says: Jan 28, 2016 8:22 PM

    Brady is 4-2 in the Super Bowl with three MVPs and arguably should have had a fourth against Philly. He has 13 TDs and 4 picks and a 95.3 rating in the bowl. Manning is 1-2 in the Super Bowl and he has two costly pick 6s; one of which cost his team the game against Indy plus another one that ended the game against Seattle. Manning has a pedestrian 81 rating in the Super Bowl with 3 TDs and 4 picks. This is like comparing filet mignon to Hardees hamburgers. Anyone making the argument that the two are remotely comparable in the playoffs is throwing up garbage on the board in order to laugh at the responses.

  283. orrnumberfour says: Jan 29, 2016 11:02 AM

    Ten years from now the question will be asked:

    “Who had the better career?”

    The obvious correct answer is :

    Brady.

    All day. Every day.

  284. j0esixpack says: Jan 29, 2016 1:33 PM

    There’s no debate that Brady is the better post season QB over Manning

    Yes – Peyton Manning was able to beat that QB juggernaut Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl – but aside from that QB rating is a joke in this context

    Whether Brady is better than Montana is debatable

    Montana fans make the argument that if you don’t count Montana’s losses to the Giants BEFORE the Super Bowl, well then Montana has a perfect record

    … um, yeah, and if you don’t count Brady’s playoff losses he TOO has a better record.

    Some people fail to understand logic

  285. danm1978 says: Feb 2, 2016 11:05 AM

    gacoltfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:32 AM
    Throw Peyton, Brady, Montana, Elway in a hat and draw and you can make a great case for why they are the best ever.
    ========================================
    I saw an article on a blog I believe by a Broncos fan that rated them all on various things. This person calculated that Elway was the greatest—I believe Favre and Marino were included too. This totally unbiased Broncos fan thinks it is neither of the QBS that have played for Denver though.

  286. trollaikman8 says: Feb 2, 2016 6:45 PM

    Aikman, Troy:

    Playoffs 11-5
    SuperBowls 3-0
    Cheating scandals: 0

  287. trajan2448 says: Apr 21, 2016 9:18 AM

    Wash? Seriously. Manning in the two Super Bowl championship runs 5tds, 8 ints. Yikes. plus he had number ONE defense in the recent one.
    Brady 13 tds, 4 picks in 4 SB wins.

    plus Brady: 23-9
    Manning 13-13 in playoffs. A wash? Get real

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