NFL conducting “comprehensive” Peyton Manning investigation

AP

In the midst of criticism from those who think that the NFL has applied different standards to Patriots quarterback Tom Brady regarding #DeflateGate and Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning regarding allegations of HGH use, the NFL has disclosed that it is conducting a comprehensive investigation of Manning.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy tells the Associated Press that the league launched an investigation “weeks ago,” and that it entails the review of records, interviews, and coordination with other agencies.

It seems to be a direct reaction to the report from ESPN that the NFL declined an invitation to collaborate with Major League Baseball and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, since that created the perception (accurate or not) that the league is brushing the entire Manning situation under the rug.

The overriding challenge from the NFL comes from its lack of power to obtain information from anyone other than Manning or any other NFL player, team, or employee. With no subpoena power, there’s one way to get the information that goes directly to the heart of the allegation that Manning’s wife received HGH for use by Peyton: To obtain from Manning and his wife legal authorization to obtain from the Guyer Institute any and all documents or other evidence regarding the treatments they received.

Without that, the league will have to wait for a prosecution of the Guyer Institute or civil litigation arising from the situation to ever get to the truth.

Regardless of whether the NFL gets to the truth, many are noticing the obvious differences between last year’s public #DeflateGate investigation and the secrecy that ordinarily applies when the league investigates potential player wrongdoing — and most can’t appreciate the nuance.

222 responses to “NFL conducting “comprehensive” Peyton Manning investigation

  1. They had to do it. The whining from Pats fans all offseason would be unbearable.

    Then again, Pats fans wouldn’t complain at all had they not lost to someone more fragile than Mr. Burns

  2. Comprehensive? yeah, I think the investigation went something like this:
    Investigator: “Are you Peyton Manning
    Manning: “Yes”
    Investigator: “Well, I believe that about wraps things up, I’m starving”

  3. He should stand at the podium on media day in his boxers. Anyone who looks at that physique will know he is not taking HGH.

  4. The bigger problem is there are no leaks that implicates Manning because the “journalists” won’t investigate it further, unlike their rabid insatiable quest for info against Brady and the Patriots. But we all know media outlets have their own agenda’s and this one clearly goes against any story they want the public to know about so there won’t be anyone hounding Manning in the lead up to the Super Bowl and let it become a distraction.

  5. I think Peyton Manning was generally aware of the shipment of HGH to his house under his wife’s name while he was recovering from neck surgery.

  6. When are we going to have the discussion about the benefits of HGH in the recovery and healing of football injuries?

    Why are they demonizing medicine? It would be simple enough for a doctor to develop a prescribed dosage range of HGH and other anabolic agents during a players rehab phase.

    This would not be considered ab – use, this would be prescribed use.

  7. Don’t worry, they’ll get to the bottom of things. I bumped into Roger earlier today, and he assured me of this.

    Roger: We have top men working on it right now.

    Me: Who?

    Roger: Top… men.

  8. no they’re not lol. just a simple reaction to a true MLB report of their ignorance.

    Why would they worry about Manning? 99% of people don’t hate him, Roger can’t get people back on his side by dragging him through the mud.

  9. What an ABSOLUTE JOKE !!!

    This is nothing more then POSTURING by Goodel to cover his arse for his blunder & corruption in attacking Brady = FALSELY.

    Goodel must make an attempt at “investigating” otherwise it makes Brady’s case against the NFL a million more times stronger then it already is.

  10. The reasons are obvious for anyone that has common sense. Brady’s alleged wrongdoing was within the team and the organization. They are all under the umbrella of the NFL. When Ted Wells, or anyone else goes to NE to ask questions, they pretty much have to at least attempt to answer the questions.

    The Guyer institute in this case doesn’t have to say a word. Why would Goodell hire someone who can’t even get past the front door. Manning would never have to disclose his wife’s medical records to the NFL so this is pretty much a dead end. Any “independent investigator” is going to get the door closed in their face at the Guyer institute because of HIPPA laws.

    So anyone screaming for an “independent investigation”… what would you like to happen? Ted Wells will knock on their door, and they’ll tell him to go home. Then Manning will say they weren’t mine… then the investigation is over. This allegedly happened in 2011 so I doubt anyone has their cell phones from 5 years ago. Not sure what else their supposed to do. Any serious suggestions or just a bunch of people who want to shout from rooftops?

  11. What double standard? The same standard of incompetence has been applied in each and every league investigation.

    Didn’t Jughead already say his wife may have received HGH from that lab?

    Sad part is, even if it was for her, she’s taking away from the people who need it for very serious medical conditions. There is a huge wait list for this stuff.

    Ask Roger Clemons if you can get away with blaming the wife.

  12. What timing! Coming out with this right before the Super Bowl! What an outrage!

    I’m sure all Patriots fans will protest this sham of justice the same way they objected to the NFL doing exactly the same thing with their guy last January — because surely you’re about justice in general, not just your narrow self interests as a fan.

    Right Pats fans?

  13. The NFL is “disclosing” this now because MLB has gotten involved, alone with the USDA. Before it was “we don’t discuss investigations”, now that they look bad, they put this out.
    They are the most transparent self-serving duplicitous organization around, and need a good house cleaning.

  14. To all the Pats fans, would you consider it “proof” if Manning was found to be texting a guy nicknamed “The HGH supplier”?? Of course you would…

    But when Brady is texting a guy named “the deflator” who prepares the balls and took the balls in the bathroom before gametime… it was just a random coincidence.

  15. I can hear Judge Berman asking Goodel how actual PED use by Manning compares to “more probable then not” air deflation of 0.5 PSI, where that sneaky beech Mother Nature is the actual culprit.

  16. #tainted
    #cheater
    #GiantForeheadGate

    Right Pats haters?

    Where’s Mort? Does he have inside (NFL offices) info that the mailman who delivered the HGH has confessed?

    Where’s Ted Wells and his porn mustache? He needs more billable hours to fill his quota.

    Quick, where are all the armchair QB’s who become overnight PhD Statisticians?

    Has King Roger demanded Peyton’s cell phone(s)??

  17. Wasn’t it already said that Peyton wouldn’t face league punishment even IF he did take HGH because they weren’t testing until 2014? You can’t test for it years later. This investigate just seems like it is being done calm everyone making a big fuss about it down.

  18. I’m less concerned with the fact that Peyton took HGH and more concerned with the fact that Denver would not have even made the playoffs had it not been for number 17. At least Brady deserved to be starting last Sunday.

  19. Phinfan you just don’t get it! HGH is a banned substance, it’s a performance enhancing drug( PED). It’s illegal to take. End of story.

  20. Nothing more then POSTURING by Goodel to cover his farse for his blunder & corruption in attacking Brady = FALSELY.
    Goodel must make an attempt at “investigating” otherwise it makes Brady’s case against the NFL a million more times stronger then it already is.

    I can hear Judge Berman asking Goodel how actual PED use by Manning compares to “more probable then not” air deflation of 0.5 PSI, where that sneaky beech Mother Nature is the actual culprit.

    NFL Integrity = Double Standard = NFL Parity

  21. phinfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:55 PM
    He used it to repair his shoulder… Healing faster should be a ‘sweep under the rug’ thing. Hes not a linebacker abusing the roods
    ===============================
    4 game suspension for Rodney Harrison back in 2007. He used it to repair a broken arm.

  22. Truth factory: Tom Brady NEVER texted any equipment employee. Not one text from Tom to any equipment employee, not a one…maybe you need to change your name since you aren’t telling the truth.
    Besides Physics proves there was no tampering.

  23. God forbid anyone should distract poor megahead from preparing for the SB. This is as shady as it comes…Why isn’t “her” hgh coming from her own topnotch practitioner, ob-gyn, or primary care?? He should have been tested for illegal substances immediately, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER ON ANY OTHER TEAM WOULD HAVE. But he is given special consideration and treatment.

    Manning is a cheater*….keep padding those stats, golden boy.

  24. Why? Nobody cares what a perennial Loser takes to enhance losing.

    Listen to the hillbillies and they’ll have you believing he really earned the 06 MVP and not Dominic Rhodes and that Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green were better defense than Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis.

  25. I am a Patriots fan and Roger Goodell STOLE our 1st and 4th round picks and I want them back RIGHT NOW!!

  26. Now let’s see if the media is consistent in his next press conference. Waiting for someone to ask this question:

    This has raised a lot of uncomfortable conversations for people around this country who view you as their idol. The question they’re asking themselves is, ‘What’s up with our hero?’ Can you answer right now, is a cheater?

  27. In related news, the NFL has hired independent pizza proprietor Papa John to oversee the “comprehensive” investigation.

  28. The NFL needs to investigate this and deflate gate vigorously. Oh wait, where is that Brady cell phone with all those texts to “The Deflator” when you need it?

  29. “and most can’t appreciate the nuance.”

    Perhaps because ‘most’ have never held selective prosecution, the deliberate leaking of false information to frame a narrative, working backwards from a predetermined finding, fraud, character assassination and outright lying on the part of the commissioner himself to be synonymous with ‘nuance’

  30. Such a pity that at the end of a storied career, to have such allegations brought against you — what a party-pooper lol

  31. Yeah cause everybody has four neck surgeries than plays better than ever,”Naturally.” Strip that five headed stooge of every fake award he’s ever been given.

  32. Will someone please tell the NFL to stop trying to re-create the entire judicial system? It is a fool’s errand and I can’t believe we’re doing this again in 2016. If the NFL wants to have all these rules, then they’d better have clear parameters of evidence. All this subjectivity without legal basis is making the NFL look bad. Focus on football.

    NFL, get your story straight or stop playing hall monitor!

  33. “To obtain from Manning and his wife legal authorization to obtain from the Guyer Institute any and all documents or other evidence regarding the treatments they received.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No evidence there people since the records will show some medical condition his wife had to justify her “prescription” & “treatment” with HGH.

    It is called COVER UP = From the BEGINNING

    Peyton’s wife is the perfect fall guy as = there is NOTHING the NFL can do about it.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE = GOODEL/NFL = CORRUPT

  34. truthfactory says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:04 PM
    To all the Pats fans, would you consider it “proof” if Manning was found to be texting a guy nicknamed “The HGH supplier”?? Of course you would…

    But when Brady is texting a guy named “the deflator” who prepares the balls and took the balls in the bathroom before gametime… it was just a random coincidence.
    =================================
    The comparison would be that the ball boy brought the balls to Brady’s house first on there way to the field and definitely let the air out.

    but just a coincidence that HGH was delivered to the same residence that Peyton lived, the same Peyton who was trying to recover from neck surgeries, whom some were saying could be career ending.

  35. The NFL would never reveal anything they find in an investigation if it reflects poorly on the illustrious football Manning family. They’d only to that to Tom. I’ll never believe anything the NFL has to say. Ever. They lie.

  36. truthfactory says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:04 PM
    To all the Pats fans, would you consider it “proof” if Manning was found to be texting a guy nicknamed “The HGH supplier”?? Of course you would…

    But when Brady is texting a guy named “the deflator” who prepares the balls and took the balls in the bathroom before gametime… it was just a random coincidence
    ——————————–

    Except for the part where there are NO texts between Brady and McNally (who’s actual nickname was Bird and who referred to himself as the deflator ONCE in an offseason text that the Well$/Pash repeated 17 times in their “independent” report) you really summed that up. truthfactory, more like bsfactory

  37. truthfactory says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:04 PM
    To all the Pats fans, would you consider it “proof” if Manning was found to be texting a guy nicknamed “The HGH supplier”?? Of course you would…
    ______________________
    Not really, but I’d be much more skeptical if the guy with the nickname was sending illegal items to the player’s spouse, and right after that time the player’s performance improved considerably. Now that would have been significant.

  38. The Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt based on their history of cheating.

    If deflating footballs was their first and only offense to date, they would’ve gotten the benefit of the doubt too…but when you cheat to the point where Goodell has to burn the evidence, harbor and finance a serial murderer, bug visiting locker rooms, and deflate footballs to reduce fumbling, then destroy your phone? How many times have you ever destroyed your phone intentionally?

    Yea…Peyton gets the benefit of the doubt!

  39. Look, he ADMITTED untraceable Chinese HGH was sent to his own residence.

    Rodney Harrison admitted to it and it was a 4 game suspension, with no test, nothing. It was the next 4 available games for said suspension. THAT is the precedent.

    Period. There is no debate.

    Where is the consistency?

  40. Kind of torn here.

    As a Pats fan I want my two weeks back from last year so I can enjoy my teams entry into the Super Bowl.

    To be able to watch two full weeks of all different kinds of reporting on your team is one of the best parts of getting in.

    The NFL offices and the press took those away from Pats fans. I can’t get those back.

    So, do I want this story to take off and blow away all those Broncos fans two weeks of Super Bowl hype? Of which they may never see again in their lifetime?

    I’m dunno, I’m torn..

  41. truthfactory says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:04 PM
    To all the Pats fans, would you consider it “proof” if Manning was found to be texting a guy nicknamed “The HGH supplier”?? Of course you would…

    But when Brady is texting a guy named “the deflator” who prepares the balls and took the balls in the bathroom before gametime… it was just a random coincidence.

    15 14

    You are a moron, brady never once texted the guy who’s nickname was the deflator. Maybe if u read more than headlines u would have a clue.

    Is it thay unfathomable for someone whose job is to inflate and deflate the ball to get it ready for the games on sunday would have that nickname.?

    But never peyton right? I mean the dude was overseas getting stem cells injected into his neck, but he would never take HGH right? Lmao idiots

  42. People still believe what the NFL has to say about anything?

    Is that really still a thing? LOL

  43. The Patriot fans are relentless in their collective denial that their team got caught cheating twice. Of course the first one (taping the other teams) lasted 7 years and produced 3 Superbowl wins so they have that to fall back on.

  44. Stealth junk: exactly how did Tom Brady cheat? Explain please!
    Middle grade science proves there was no tampering! Guess you missed the article on this site this week debunking framegate! Plus the article in the NY Times.

  45. warpigz says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:19 PM

    Uh oh, another excuse for the Pats… They’d have won if Peyton wasn’t “juicing.” Lol
    **********************************

    How you wish this were true. Unfortunately for you the fact of the matter is that Pats players/coaches as well as fans don’t make excuses.

    You’ll never hear BB or TB12 make an excuse. Hate all you want, but it’s true. And not many other teams can say that about their leaders.

  46. The evidence thus far points to Manning’s general awareness of HGH being sent to houses he owns. Based on that one can not respectfully make a full judgement. yes, something in the situation is fishy but to make snap judgements is irresponsible and ignorant (see: Cris Carter…ever). I’m a big Patriots fan and an even bigger Tom Brady fan. I honestly hope Peyton Manning is not dragged through the mud like Brady was/is. I am all for getting all the results but why call him anything other than a great QB before this information is presented? To do that would just be perpetuating what we have already seen this time last year…the League’s never ending drive to make their product a year round relevant hot topic.

  47. For someone called the truthfactory you seem to leave some things out first that text to the “deflator” aka Bird was from May of 2014 the time he went into the bathroom was before the game in January of 2015 in other words there was an approximate 8 month gap between the time that the texts were sent to the alleged incident. Second my roommate the other night left his basketball in his car for an hour it went from an environment that was approximately 68 degrees to 32 degrees and guess what happened? The ball deflated as would be the same case for a football as that night the balls went from an environment that was room temperature (70 degrees approximately) to a 51 degree rainy night the ball again would naturally deflate. Face it you don’t want to hear the simple truth about this particular incident Manning admitted HGH was getting shipped in his wife’s name around the time he was recovering. Now I could believe it was for medical usage if it 1 didn’t come from an anti aging clinic and 2 if people like you didn’t bash Rodney Harrison for doing the same thing earlier in his career. Most Pats fans don’t mind disagreements or ribbing it’s hypocrisy we can’t stand and you’re showing it very blatantly as are a lot of people on this site.

  48. I have a tough time believing that a dude as smart as PFM would have someone ship his HGH to his wife; that’d be plain careless and stupid. Why not ship it to a no name he’s not connected with?

    Maybe I’m wrong, it just seems ridiculous that he would be that reckless with his legacy on the line. It’s estimated that 50% of the league uses HGH; no chance that Manning – one of the most calculated football players of all time – makes that type of mistake, regardless of whether he’s using it or not.

    And for the record, HGH isn’t steroids, it doesn’t inflate your head size, Manning has had super head since birth; drop that ridiculous narrative.

  49. This is how it’s going to work. Two days after super bowl Peyton will be suspended for four games for hgh use and it just so happens Peyton retires after the season so no real games lost and his reputation is not tarnished by missing games and people forget about his cheating because he lost another super bowl.

  50. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:28 PM
    The Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt based on their history of cheating.

    If deflating footballs was their first and only offense to date, they would’ve gotten the benefit of the doubt too…but when you cheat to the point where Goodell has to burn the evidence, harbor and finance a serial murderer, bug visiting locker rooms, and deflate footballs to reduce fumbling, then destroy your phone? How many times have you ever destroyed your phone intentionally?

    Yea…Peyton gets the benefit of the doubt!

    0 1

    Haha u r foolish. All teams video tapes signals it wasnt illegal until 2006 season and that was only from the location where it was recorded. Now u r just making up stuff about bugging lockerrooms etc.

    Do me a favor and check this years fumble statistics and tell me what u find. And u can blame mother nature for the deflation as science has already poven it

  51. I respect the hell out of Peyton, but this isn’t a result of “Pats” fans whining. It’s a result of logical people being concerned with how differently two situations are being handled and the kind of precedent it’s setting.

    How would you feel if your team or a player on your team was treated unfairly the way Brady was. Why shouldn’t Peyton be investigated or anyone for that matter when these types of allegations are thrown out there. The league has to be objective and treat each player an organization equally.

    If the league was bowing down to the will of the Pats fans, they’d be giving back the first round pick they stole from the organization.

  52. A difference? LMAO!

    the NFL lied to reporters in creating the initial deflategate media reports. At least Charlie Sly made an attempt to retract what he now says is false.

    Think about……Charlie Sly has more integrity than the NFL

  53. Have you seen how weak is throw power is now? It literally takes all of his body to throw a bullet…this guy doesn’t take hgh

  54. I’m out of these comments before I drown in Pats fan tears. What a whiny annoying fan base.

  55. Actually ampats it is a sham. I am on the side that says the process should play out before we do anything, not fair to smear a player just because you don’t like him. But at the end of day the people, much like yourself who could care less about if Brady did it or about the integrity of the game for that matter, just wanted anything to be done to stop the Patriots. Even if it meant pretending this case of suspected gamesmanship was some egregious crime.

  56. Zombiepatriot…. Manning a golden boy?? Everyone knows chump bradyvis the leagues golden boy. Rules are made for him. We all know he knew the balls were deflated and what happens a slap on the wrist.. now ask yourself “who’s the real golden boy?”

  57. The USADA will get the documents. The NFL won’t have to. Once they are involved in something whatever is there will come out.

    A shame for Denver fans to have to go through the same hell that we Patriots fans had to endure last year at this time.

    There is a strong desire in the current culture to build people into heroes and then when they get big enough to tear them down. It’s a shame.

    It’s not a revelation that NFL players have taken HGH. So many guys that are well respected have been caught or admitted taking PEDs.

  58. They going to find that it’s “probable than not” that he used HGH if he or his wife decline to provide that information?

  59. Pat fans, what proof or evidence do you have that the drugs were not for Mrs. Manning and that she did not in fact use them? You all went insane defending Brady when he refused to turn over his cell phone, but now you demand Mrs. Manning turn over her medical records? You all said that the mere fact Brady denied any knowledge was good enough to prove he did not know any thing was good enough for you to prove his innocence. You all said that both JM and JJ denied having anything to do with deflating footballs was proof enough for you. It appears to me that because you do no accept Peyton at his word proves that many of you are a tad two faced.

  60. raiderhater719 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:44 PM
    Zombiepatriot…. Manning a golden boy?? Everyone knows chump bradyvis the leagues golden boy. Rules are made for him. We all know he knew the balls were deflated and what happens a slap on the wrist.. now ask yourself “who’s the real golden boy?”

    ——-

    Deflated footballs is nothing. This Peyton thing is also nothing.

    Just wish people could enjoy the sport instead do turning it into a sideshow.

  61. What we learned form deflate gate is that Manning should have destroyed his phone, all evidence, and refused to cooperate. He’d get off scott free then.

  62. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:02 PM
    What timing! Coming out with this right before the Super Bowl! What an outrage!

    I’m sure all Patriots fans will protest this sham of justice the same way they objected to the NFL doing exactly the same thing with their guy last January — because surely you’re about justice in general, not just your narrow self interests as a fan.

    Right Pats fans?
    ————————————————–
    Funny deflection. Unlike your reaction to the false allegations towards Brady which you accepted with blind faith to be true you instead attack Pats fans who in the end turned out to be 100% correct while never ever thinking for one moment that just maybe Manning indeed might have cheated. You’re the perfect example of the double standard.

  63. What’s with all the deflategate talk? This is about Manning being investigated by the NFL who now are about to create a media circus, do nothing about it before the Super Bowl and ruin 2 great week. Oh wait, that’s what it has to do with deflategate.

  64. Last year Savanah Guthrie asked Obama if he thought the Patriots cheated during the pre game show. Will someone be asking Obama if he thinks Manning cheated ? Very doubtful, there’s that double standard.

  65. PFT loves the Steelers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:41 PM
    I’m out of these comments before I drown in Pats fan tears. What a whiny annoying fan base——————————————————–
    You’ll be back using another one of your phony names spewing the same old tired stuff. We’re pats fans, we’re smarter than you.

  66. Dan7800: what we learned from framegate is “Tom cooperated fully” per Wells, upgraded to a iPhone 6, and got railroaded.
    Fixed it for you.

  67. I can see where this comprehensive investigation is going.
    The NFL is going to claim it was Brady’s HGH that was being sent to Manning’s house.

  68. “WITH NO SUBPOENA POWER, there’s one way to get the information that goes directly to the heart of the allegation that Manning’s wife received HGH for use by Peyton: To obtain from Manning and his wife legal authorization to obtain from the Guyer Institute any and all documents or other evidence regarding the treatments they received.”
    —————

    Well, that never stopped the haters and media pundits from bashing Brady when he refused to give Wells his personal phone and emails at the beginning of the investigation.

    According to hater logic, if he’s innocent, they should give their authorization to look at all documents from the Guyer Institute.

    I really don’t care if he did it or not, but the doble standard and hypocrisy are revolting.

  69. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:28 PM
    The Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt based on their history of cheating.
    ___________________
    So the Patriots history of cheating consists of:

    1. Spygate – videotaping signals from an unauthorized location during open games (if they instead did this from inside the coaches booth it would have been allowed).

    2. Deflategate – Wells Reports itself states that due to the IGL, the footballs should have measured between 11.52 – 11.32 psi. On the gauge Walt Anderson recalls using the average was 11.49 psi, so on the HIGH END of the range.

    Manning is now a Bronco, so shouldn’t we look at their “history of cheating” – PEDs, Salary Cap violations, taping
    practices of opposing teams, etc.

    If deflating footballs was their first and only offense to date, they would’ve gotten the benefit of the doubt too…but when you cheat to the point where Goodell has to burn the evidence, harbor and finance a serial murderer, bug visiting locker rooms, and deflate footballs to reduce fumbling, then destroy your phone? How many times have you ever destroyed your phone intentionally?

  70. NFL conducting “comprehensive” Peyton Manning investigation
    ______________

    I sure hope so. It’s about time everyone is shown what a sniveling cheat of a coward manning is. Hiding behind his wife’s skirts. He’s a self-centered, greedy, phony Swamp Boy. The only things he’s ever really cared about are money and individual records.

  71. raiderhater719 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:44 PM
    Zombiepatriot…. Manning a golden boy?? Everyone knows chump bradyvis the leagues golden boy. Rules are made for him. We all know he knew the balls were deflated and what happens a slap on the wrist.. now ask yourself “who’s the real golden boy?”
    ================================
    all these deflated balls… how come no one ever noticed them? An official places the ball on the field prior to every play…. Brady has thrown interceptions before…. The Colts tried to say that Jackson told them the ball seemed funny when he made his int, but he flat out denied saying that – he said the ball seemed normal to him. Harbaugh originally stated the Pats’ kicking balls were too soft – but then it was pointed out to him that the game officials are the only ones who handle them.

  72. So what’s this GATE gonna b called?
    #HghGate
    #Headgate
    #CheaterGate
    #HealthyGate
    #RecoverGate

    None got that special rang to it,
    News outlets will never make this a big deal.
    Mainly because the NFL ain’t feeding them with crap reports

  73. limakey says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:45 PM
    Pat fans, what proof or evidence do you have that the drugs were not for Mrs. Manning and that she did not in fact use them? You all went insane defending Brady when he refused to turn over his cell phone, but now you demand Mrs. Manning turn over her medical records? You all said that the mere fact Brady denied any knowledge was good enough to prove he did not know any thing was good enough for you to prove his innocence. You all said that both JM and JJ denied having anything to do with deflating footballs was proof enough for you. It appears to me that because you do no accept Peyton at his word proves that many of you are a tad two faced.

    ———

    The NFL is the one that set the new standard, not Pats fans.

  74. To be honest, I don’t think Mannings HGH use or Bradys possible intentional deflation of footballs is a big deal. However, if Goodell doesn’t investigate this, it just shows how corrupt the NFL is.

    He spent over 5 million on an investigation and suspended Brady for conduct detrimental to the game, which he didn’t have the power to do over a equipment violation. He needs to address this fairly and see if Manning actually used HGH, which does warrant an suspension because it is a PED. I trust him thoroughly to not do the right thing, of course.

    Going back to New England. The Patriots gets fined and docked draft picks for things which may/may not give a competitive advantage. (Spygate was legal until 06, and NE decided to do it 07, anyways. Yet New England essentially got their hands cut off.)

    I don’t see how he could rationally throw this Manning thing out the window. I am sure he will find a way and yet remain commissioner, which is the worst part.

    Anyone who says Goodell/NFL treatment of Brady was fair, (while you watch them sweep this Manning report under the rug) has let the Patriots success and hatred for them hurt their ability to think rationally.

  75. Personally, I don’t care what these guys do to entertain us. As long they aren’t hurting anybody, it’s fine with me. I want to see Manning on HGH. If it helps him, good. Maybe it helped Rodney Harrison. So what?

  76. What a joke the NFL is.

    Goodell is like Hamilton Burger, the prosecutor who lost every case he fought against Perry Mason. He’ll keep trying to dig up stuff on his star players, all to the detriment of the league. But he doesn’t care. He’s being paid over 40 million per year to destroy the league by the brain dead owners.

    Goodell is the worst Commissioner the NFL has ever had, and it isn’t even close. I hope Peyton Manning wins the Super Bowl and when he’s handed the Lombardi Trophy, I hope leans over to Commissioner Goodell and tells him to stick his investigation where the sun doesn’t shine, and announces his retirement.
    Peyton Manning has been a class act throughout his career and has made the NFL millions of dollars. For Goodell or anyone else to buy into this crap that he did something illegal is ridiculous. It’s another witch hunt, just like the Tom Brady witch hunt.

    Goodell is a rat. A lousy, stinking rat.

  77. Most can’t appreciate the nuance?
    Most media refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Patriots are convicted cheaters. They lost their benefit of the doubt and respect league-wide. The most obvious difference is that Manning has never been associated with any wrongdoing, and the Patriots have repeatedly for about 15 years.

  78. No need to waste millions or chase the Guyver Inst, you just ask one query: Peyton, can you please provide an account for Ashley’s HGH shipments & use? Failure to provide an answer with at least some supporting documentation will be taken by the NFL that you “more probably than not” cheated.

    Tough-love, yes, but far, far better treatment than Brady ever got over slight changes in PSI levels that can be explained by the laws of physics. And don’t forget, Brady haters, that Brady offered up his phone records at his appeal and Goodell refused, preferring to change Brady’s oath-given testimony, and simply say he “destroyed” his phone.

    And no need to even investigate Aaron Rodgers – for he already admitted to running an underhand ball inflation scheme.

  79. To all the Fartheads that have their head stuck in an unpleasant spot = LISTEN UP

    1.) Ted Wells had all the text messages from the “Deflator” & Brady

    2.) Ted Wells said = “We do NOT want your phone”

    3.) Goodel added to the NFL FARSE & CORRUPTION by saying he suddenly (AFTER Brady was given permission by Wells to discard his phone ) that he needed it for “so-called” evidence that they ALREADY had.

    4.) This was Goodel’s proof of Guilt by IPO = Ignorant Public Opinion

  80. Florio, at this point it’s obvious that you’re a Pats fan. Please stop letting your personal affairs affect your football blog. Deflategate was a year ago, your boy Brady will always be considered a cheater. Get over it and stop abusing your media status to push your personal beliefs.

  81. limakey says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:45 PM
    Pat fans, what proof or evidence do you have that the drugs were not for Mrs. Manning and that she did not in fact use them? You all went insane defending Brady when he refused to turn over his cell phone, but now you demand Mrs. Manning turn over her medical records?

    ———-

    Most of us actually don’t care one way or the other and are waiting for a REAL and TRULY independent investigation with actual FACTS. It’s hypocrites like you that bash one player without evidence, while protecting another under the same cincunstances.

    Tom Brady’s word weren’t good enough but Peyton’s are? And please, don’t bring the organizations into this. If you are the janitor of a company whose president is accused of a Ponzi scheme that doesn’t make you a scammer. Brady had never been accused of anything in his career and you people latched onto what the NFL wanted you to believe because your minds couldn’t deal with the fact that the #199 pick could be that good.

    That’s mostly our ire in all of this, the doble standard of the NFL, media pundits and haters like you.

  82. Hey ZombieRaider ever heard of something called the Ty Law Rule? You know the rule that doesn’t allow defenders to touch receivers beyond 5 yards? That’s a Manning rule also the defenseless receiver penalty began to be enforced after the Garcon and Austin Collie hits. I count two rules made for Manning and the Ty Law Rule is what finally allowed Manning to win his first ring.

  83. When wil Patriot Hater’s wussy team fold? It’s outrageous that the GOAT has to put up with such puny little wussies as competition. He shouldn’t have to stoop to that level.

    #WellHeShouldnt

  84. If this was about Tom, then yes, investigate, but it’s about Peyton, let it go, everyone likes that guy.

  85. Peyton is believable because he has never been accused of cheating before. Fans who work in the healthcare industry know that many players go overseas for stem cell treatment (NO BIG DEAL). I really don’t understand this desire to crucify this man. Are Patriot fans that bitter? Your team and coaches are proven cheaters. Enough said. GET OVER IT. Leave everyone else alone!

  86. factman66 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:04 PM
    The most obvious difference is that Manning has never been associated with any wrongdoing
    _____________________
    Guess your definition of wrongdoing doesn’t include his 1996 incident at Tennessee where he “was accused of sexual assault by a female trainer”.

    “Manning settled out of court with the trainer in 2003. She came after Manning again in 2005 after he violated the settlement by talking to ESPN about it.”

  87. plum54 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:10 PM
    Phinfan you just don’t get it! HGH is a banned substance, it’s a performance enhancing drug( PED). It’s illegal to take. End of story.

    —————————————————————–

    plum54 you don’t get it …HGH was NOT a banned substance when it was alleged that Manning. Look it up

  88. Glad that NFL is investigating, but this going to come down whether Manning and his wife will give investigators permission to see their medical records. The Mannings have their right to privacy, but so did Brady. Brady protecting and his family’s privacy by not turning over his phone is as justifiable as the Mannings protecting their privacy. If you believe Brady is guilty because he protected his privacy then you must, if you are consistent in your logic, assume Manning is guilty. After all Manning is withholding evidence just like you assume Brady did by keeping his phone away from Wells and the NFL.

  89. “But the HGH was for my pregnant wife” does NOT absolve Peyton from PED use and those *TD *records are no longer legit = ***********

    Based on Goodel/NFL policy of “More likely then Not = NO EVIDENCE NEEDED for Prosecution & Guilty Verdict then 100% Peyton DESERVES an immediate four game suspension and he has the right to appeal.

    Didn’t Tom Brady take OATH to Tell the TRUTH in a legal hearing that could lead to Perjury if he was not telling the truth ???

    Peyton, please raise your right hand……

  90. The continued ignorance of posters is incredible. There were NO text messages from Tom to JJ or Bird. Not a one. Besides Wells said he did not need Toms phone, and under the CBA Tom did not have to give Wells his phone. Seeing how the NFL leaked emails, good thing Tom didn’t hand over his phone.
    Middle grade science proves there was NO tampering!!!

  91. ATTENTION CLASS:
    Please answer the question correctly using the multiple choice answers

    A.) #cheatergate
    B.) #TD-PEDgate
    or
    C.) #HeadGateHomer

    OH YEAH = #HeadGateHomer definitely wins it

  92. “With no subpoena power, there’s one way to get the information that goes directly to the heart of the allegation that Manning’s wife received HGH for use by Peyton: call TMZ.”

  93. “Peyton, it’s Tom. Listen man, you gotta destroy your cell and drop your hard drives in acid. Do it now man, before it’s too late. You can hang here at the compound if you would like.”

  94. Will ESPN Mortensen leak out that 11 of 12 needles found in Peyton’s possession tested positive for HGH ???

    Will the National News Media on TV & Radio go rabid repeating “11 of 12 needles had HGH in them and Peytons DNA on them” for weeks and months on and on……….???

  95. Jerry Rice, Chris Mortensen, Chris Carter and Mark Brunnel stand behind Peyton with their support of his innocence.

    Please pass the Stickum/HGH/11 of 12/My Wife the Fall Guy/Tears of Sorrow

  96. I’m getting tired of the complaining from Tom Brady fans. Half of this article turned into a pointless comparison of Brady and Manning that does nothing but throw shade on Peyton the week he pulled off an insane upset of the Pats and is setting up to have a storybook ending. Responsible journalism is about conveying facts, not disjointed comparisons to draw more debate over who is better between the two QBs.8

  97. I’m so sick of the crybaby patriots fans. Their team is KNOWN to cheat. Spygate, Deflategate….but then they beat their chests and say pretty boy and darth hoody didn’t do anything wrong. “What’s the big deal? All they did was record practices, and deflate footballs” but when someone POSSIBLY uses something to heal an injury, they come out in droves, pointing their fingers, and brandishing their torches. Guess what? You still can’t beat the Giants in a super bowl, and you still lost to yet another Manning in a big game. Denver was the better team. You lost your draft picks because you cheated. if Peyton did take HGH, it’s still not a big deal because it didn’t enhance performance. So please kindly shut the hell up. Sincerely, fans of legitimate teams.

  98. Here is how Peyton can be aquitted by the NFL = All he has to do is say that the HGH was for the Teams footballs and there are no NFL Rules against footballs receiving HGH injections.

    ESPN Mortensen, Chris Carter & Mark Brunnel will all believe him and speak highly of Peyton’s concern for healthier footballs because they reduce concussions.

    Peyton receives the Nobel Peace Price and Obama is present for the ceremony.

    After the ceremony they all get travel to NYC Appellate Court to unanimously agree that Tom Brady cheated = some how, some way.

  99. Boy it’s a lot of salty patriot fans commenting here. Your season is over get over it. Just mad because Peyton Manning is in the super bowl and the boy wonder isn’t.

  100. The “nuance” is the irony that it’s the NFL and the owners who have been proven to be blatantly unfair in how they treat teams and players

    Although they claim to act to preserve the integrity of the game, it is they who tarnish the shield.

    The NFL bylaws state that only a person of unquestioned integrity can be Commissioner. Will some reporter ask each owner if he feels Goodell has unquestioned integrity after two judges have stated that he’s a liar?

    Don’t expect others to follow the rules if the owners won’t follow their own rules

  101. I have no problem if he took hgh if it helped his neck heal. If it’s cheating, fine, but the guy is not even 40. He still has a lot of life left and I would want the best options to heal a major surgery like his. If the nfl finds him guilty, I don’t see it as more than a slap on the wrist…the guy might even be retired by the time the investigation is done.

  102. factman66 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:08 PM

    Florio, at this point it’s obvious that you’re a Pats fan. Please stop letting your personal affairs affect your football blog. Deflategate was a year ago, your boy Brady will always be considered a cheater. Get over it and stop abusing your media status to push your personal beliefs.

    ———–

    I believe he is a Steelers fan. It’s a fact. It’s also a fact that last year at this time, “Deflategate” was the headline,not the Super Bowl itself. It was a major distraction,and still is a year later. Does the league want a story book ending where Peyton rides off into the sunset with his 2nd ring,or are they going to drag him through the mud when he has this huge game coming up? They sure did it to Tom Brady,and the Wells report proved nothing. Brady and the Pats persevered,and they won the game. I wonder if Peyton will text Tom and ask him how he got through it.

  103. Roger : ” I destroyed the evidence because it was consistent with what the Broncos/ Mannings told us”
    Manning and Dungy were smart enough to not get caught with all the intel they stole and had radio-ed into Mannings helmet after allotted timeframe vs. Bears in their Super Bowl win.
    But if they had been caught then Roger would have Ted Wells on this.
    And the Manning Fan Club would have their own love/hate relationship with Roger like NE does.
    Remember the sweetheart deal he gave them after corrupt wins vs. Carolina/ Philadelphia/ STLouis in those SBowls (love)? And later the Deflategate investigation that Roger ” Marcia- Clarked” ? (hate)….. What franchise wouldn’t trade $1.75 million in fines and a few draft picks for 4 Lombardies?

  104. Hire Robert Kraft as your defense attorney. He’s been able to get away with everything for quite awhile now.

  105. Comprehensive investigation on a hearsay allegation on which the sole accuser has recanted his story? Par for the course.

    P.S. Pats fans. Brady’s suspension was not overturned due to innocence, but for being denied due process. Takes a lot of arrogance to think people are dumb enough to just buy the idea that “the deflator” is a guy on a diet.

  106. somehow the Patriots are brought into this.Peyton Manning is a CHEATER,you haters actually think the Pats fans are behind this,you all need help.Manning would NOT be able to play without that.Vonn Miller is a Cheater,6 game suspension for taking PED’S then trying to cover it up.D.Wolfe suspened in early in season.The Broncos are CHEATERS and anyone that thinks the Pats organization is classlee because they drafted Hernandez is nuts.He was drafted BEFORE the murders.Your minds are so warped that you blame NE for everything.The Broncheaters.

  107. I expect football fans of non-Patriot teams to troll Patriot fans.

    It takes a special kind of blind idiot to troll Florio who is about as objective an NFL commentator as you’ll find. If you think he’s doing anything less than calling it like it is, you have an agenda somewhere below the truth.

  108. Pats fans are ridiculous. You got caught cheating twice and don’t have to give the SB trophies back, even tho the Pats should give them back.
    Any Pats fan that has anything bad to say about goodell apparently forgets the part of history where he threw the hoodie and Kraft a huge bone by destroying YEARS of tapes where the Pats illegally filmed opponents (belli-cheat admitted as much.) This saved that franchise w the most front running fans in all of sports even further humiliation.
    Thank your lucky stars for goodell. If he was more interested in the truth than protecting the shield, the Pats would have (at least) 3 less trophies in their case.
    Thoughts?

  109. Patriots never cheated, only railroaded for being too good. Yes, in 2007 as well.

    With one exception: Rodney Harrison. HGH was shipped to his house, so he got suspended for four games.

    Hmm, looks like just because they weren’t testing didn’t mean he couldn’t get suspended. Unless the NFL made that up just for the Pats as well.

  110. as a pats fan i want to see peyton dragged trough the mud exactly as tb12 was. you guys all jumped on the pats with glee for a year no matter the facts so lets do it to peyton now.we want draft picks too and world headlines every day leading up to super bowl.

  111. Every Patriot Super Bowl win has an asterisk as the organization has been caught cheating twice…undeniably to any neutral observer. AND ironically every Denver super bowl has one as well. They were fined for cheating the salary cap after both SB wins in the 90’s….hmmm. Two high class organizations…

  112. runtheball says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:54 PM

    He should stand at the podium on media day in his boxers. Anyone who looks at that physique will know he is not taking HGH.

    _______________________________

    I can say from personal experience taking steroids and Growth for a number of years, nobody takes Growth Hormone to build their physique. Growth Hormone is used by athletes for the sole purpose of recovering faster from injury. That’s pretty much the only reason they use it.

    Growth Hormone taken on it’s own doesn’t do very much for your physique unless you’re taking ridiculously high amount. If someone wanted to build a body worth looking at, traditional anabolic steroids are way cheaper and way more effective.

    The healing benefits of Growth Hormone are likely why this investigation is taking place. Doping agencies aren’t THAT inept. Manning had a severe injury in his foot that took him out and he came back in pretty fast for a guy his age. I’m not saying he took it, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

    Just from a personal standpoint, I know a good friend who is a competing bodybuilder who had a severe tear of his tricep. His doctor told him that he’d likely wouldn’t be able to do full training for at least 8 months. After 3 months of high doses of Growth Horomone, it was completely healed.

    Just something to think about

  113. Also, unfortunately for Peyton, nobody that is accused of using drugs, especially of the performance enhancing nature are ever given the benefit of the doubt.

    Steroids and other drugs lumped into that category are public enemy #1 when it comes to competing athletes. Nobody remembers Phil Neikro, but everyone knows Barry Bonds.

  114. phinfan says:
    Jan 26, 2016 7:55 PM

    He used it to repair his shoulder… Healing faster should be a ‘sweep under the rug’ thing. Hes not a linebacker abusing the roids
    __________________________

    And if this headline was about Brady instead of Manning, you would be calling for a lifetime ban, both from the game the the HoF.

  115. I’m glad Al Jazeera took time away from promoting terrorism to lie about Peyton Manning. Al Jazeera.

  116. Unfortunately if Ashley Manning did recieve HGH even it is for her (who knows why) it’s going to be scrutinized more so than normal. At this point I hope it’s a wild goose chase because if it does it’ll damage the NFL tremendously and forget about what it’ll do to Peyton.

  117. Once Peyton hired Ari Fleisher and he says its not a story all of his media minions fall right back in line and pretend like nothing happened.
    Its like he is the godfather of the media mafia hahah.

  118. To me, here is one important difference in the NFL being able to get information. Deflategate involved their own equipment at one of their own games. Peyton’s situation involves an outside organization and information protected under health privacy laws. That seems to be very different circumstances to me that might impact how the NFL can approach them.

  119. What a bunch of BS. If this had been anyone other than Manning, especially Brady, everyone would be up in arms. He’s was taking an illegal substance. Where are the calls for “cheater?” Please. What a double standard. The blatant favoritism is embarrassing.

  120. Um, was there no drug testing on PFM any time during this time frame? I truly believe his wife was taking the HGH for other reasons than to play football. And there is a little thing called HIPPA.

  121. “Why are they demonizing medicine? It would be simple enough for a doctor to develop a prescribed dosage range of HGH and other anabolic agents during a players rehab phase.”

    Doctors do prescribe it for many awful debilitating problems so horrific it is worth the risk, for people over 40, not so your favorite athlete can get back on the field quicker.

  122. The funniest thing that has happened in this whole deflate-stupidity is when the NFL became concerned with the footballs losing air pressure during the Seattle – Minnesota playoff game. Apparently now the NFL agrees with the Ideal Gas Law. In the Wells Report they had an expert company state that the Ideal Gas Law doesn’t work, then again this is the same company that said second hand smoke is ok. I wonder why the media never mentioned this story?

  123. NFL and Comprehensive Investigation should never be used in the same sentence.

    Perhaps this is a means to get more funding to Ted Wells and his firm for the fake report he produced last year?

  124. factman66 says:Jan 26, 2016 9:08 PM

    Florio, at this point it’s obvious that you’re a Pats fan. Please stop letting your personal affairs affect your football blog. Deflategate was a year ago, your boy Brady will always be considered a cheater. Get over it and stop abusing your media status to push your personal beliefs.

    ——-

    How long have you been at PFT? A year? Just since defamegate? lol.

    If there’s one thing, he most definitely is not a Pats fan. Read articles about them from 2-4 years ago.

    Florio is a hater of how the NFL screwed with the Pats as an organization and the fans as a whole, playing to hater logic rather than being scientific about it. For him, it’s all about how the NFL tried to beat it’s own system, faield miserably, but is somehow still trying. It’s his lawyering getting in the way of his reporting, not his Pats fandom. Because there isn’t any of that lol.

  125. The “source” admitted to and was proven to have lied. The “journalist” has no facts whatsoever.

    Deflategate: video of Pats employee taking balls into toilet out of camera range. Fact
    Brady destroyed phone to keep from turning it over to the NFL. Fact.
    Texts between two Pats employees admitting to tampering with the balls. Fact

    Big difference here.

  126. So their conducting an investigation? So what? He’s only going to play one more game anyway and he’s done.

    No one’s opinion of Peyton is going to change if he’s found guilty of using HGH. As a matter of fact, it will make him look better because it shows he was doing everything in his power to remain on the field with all those neck injuries.

    Because of the fact that football is a spartan sport; a collision sport ; HGH needs to be legal for all football players. They need to be able to heal as fast as possible to get back to playing. Their contracts are not 100% guaranteed like Baseball & Basketball so they need to be able to get back and earn their money as fast as possible.

    I am not a Peyton Manning fan by any stretch but trying to heal faster is not performance enhancing in my book.

  127. Really???? Comprehensive Investigation????

    Investigator: Good Morning Mr. Manning

    Peyton: Good Day sir

    Investigator: Did you take at any time HGH during your career?

    Peyton: Good Day sir, no Sir I did not.

    Investigator: Thank your Mr. manning for your complete and thoroughly honest answers to our investigation. Have a nice day.

    Yeah ….. it is a one way street … plain as day…..

  128. Comprehensive? yeah, I think the investigation went something like this:
    Investigator: “Are you Peyton Manning
    Manning: “Yes”
    Investigator: “Well, I believe that about wraps things up, I’m starving”

    this exactly … peytie nods and says good I have a commercial to shoot anyway.

    when bonds had a career year at 37 we now know why … no other explaination is believable in this case as well

  129. The big difference between the two is that with the deflated balls issue they had evidence that clearly showed Brady was aware of, and participating in what was going on. So far, the NFL has nothing other than some suspicions that Manning did anything wrong. Will further investigation turn up evidence against Manning, we will have to wait and see.

    Another part of the equation is that the Patriots had already been nailed on other occasions doing things that were not allowed. This elevated things with the deflated ball issue because it was seen as one more instance of the team doing things that were against the rules, not just one player. When you play for a team that has a reputation like the Patriots, you need to be that much more careful to keep everything clean. You know that even a hint of something wrong going on is going to draw immediate scrutiny from the league because of the past bad behavior. Manning is playing for a team that does not have that same bad reputation, so the league was not quite so quick to believe rumor and inuendo as they might have been if there had been a history of issues.

  130. All this has spurred from a “accusation” thrown at Manning so indirectly that it was not much better than a “So when did you stop beating your wife?” question.

    For the record, “deflate-gate” was just as ridiculous.

  131. The big difference between the two is that with the deflated balls issue they had evidence that clearly showed Brady was aware of, and participating in what was going on. So far, the NFL has nothing other than some suspicions that Manning did anything wrong. Will further investigation turn up evidence against Manning, we will have to wait and see.

    ========
    I would maintain the opposite. There is legitimately concerning, though not yet completely damning evidence that HGH was shipped to Manning’s residence, and zero evidence that any footballs were intentionally deflated, let alone at Brady’s behest. The HGH allegation needs to be investigated, and either proven or disproven. The deflategate investigation should have ended when they neglected to get any kind of tangible evidence surrounding the air pressure.
    PED use is also, in my opinion, a much greater infraction to begin with.

  132. Manning is playing for a team that does not have that same bad reputation, so the league was not quite so quick to believe rumor and inuendo as they might have been if there had been a history of issues.
    ———–
    Manning is playing for the team that has the biggest scandal in NFL history attached to it, namely the salary cap violations that resulted in their 2 Super Bowls. Also the only team that has ACTUALLY recorded another team’s walkthrough, and has admitted as much.
    That said – he was not playing for them during the period in which he is alleged to have been cheating.
    He was playing for those bastions of integrity, and last years’ AFC participant trophy winners, the Colts.

  133. skinsprinting says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:30 PM
    plum54 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:10 PM
    Phinfan you just don’t get it! HGH is a banned substance, it’s a performance enhancing drug( PED). It’s illegal to take. End of story.

    —————————————————————–

    plum54 you don’t get it …HGH was NOT a banned substance when it was alleged that Manning. Look it up
    —————————–

    Banned in ’92 just not tested for until 2014.
    Rodney Harrison suspended in ’07 for it

  134. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:28 PM
    The Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt based on their history of cheating.

    If deflating footballs was their first and only offense to date, they would’ve gotten the benefit of the doubt too…but when you cheat to the point where Goodell has to burn the evidence, harbor and finance a serial murderer, bug visiting locker rooms, and deflate footballs to reduce fumbling, then destroy your phone? How many times have you ever destroyed your phone intentionally?

    Yea…Peyton gets the benefit of the doubt!

    ————–

    Again with the claim that the Pats deflated footballs to reduce fumbling. If what you claim is true, then why did the Pats fumble even less this season?

  135. Actually, elvoid, the trick question is “Yes or no. Have you stopped beating your wife?”

    Good to see someone else come under the great NFL microscope. Only thing is, if they find him guilty and suspend him for multiple games, it won’t matter. He’s retiring after the Super Bowl.

  136. They’re going to have difficulty in proving anything against Peyton. The house that the HGH was “allegedly” delivered to was destroyed. Peyton and his wife got a new house and didn’t need the old house anymore (and apparently the house contained sensitive information), so they destroyed it. Nothing unusual about that.

  137. sailbum7 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 9:34 AM

    The big difference between the two is that with the deflated balls issue they had evidence that clearly showed Brady was aware of, and participating in what was going on.
    —————————-

    Can you elaborate on what this evidence was? Even the NFL was forced to admit there was no direct evidence linking Brady to any scheme to deflate footballs.

    They didn’t have any indirect evidence either.

  138. sailbum7 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 9:34 AM

    The big difference between the two is that with the deflated balls issue they had evidence that clearly showed Brady was aware of, and participating in what was going on. So far, the NFL has nothing other than some suspicions that Manning did anything wrong. Will further investigation turn up evidence against Manning, we will have to wait and see.
    __________________________________

    The NFL didn’t have any evidence, which is why Berman threw out the suspension in federal court. When asked if they had any definitive evidence of Brady doing anything wrong, the NFL had to answer that they didn’t have any evidence. Did you actually read the Wells report?

    They only had accusations and conjecture against Brady, which is the same thing they have on Manning.

    The difference between the two is that the league isn’t leaking out a false narrative about Manning for the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl like they did about Brady.

  139. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:28 PM
    The Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt based on their history of cheating.

    If deflating footballs was their first and only offense to date, they would’ve gotten the benefit of the doubt too…but when you cheat to the point where Goodell has to burn the evidence, harbor and finance a serial murderer, bug visiting locker rooms, and deflate footballs to reduce fumbling, then destroy your phone? How many times have you ever destroyed your phone intentionally?

    Yea…Peyton gets the benefit of the doubt!
    ______________________________

    1. Taping is legal and allowed per the rule book. They taped, in the wrong location. Fact. If taping is allowed, just not from the sidelines, how much can you consider this cheating?
    2. Hernandez – as soon as in investigation was launched, they cut the player, in his prime, immediately. That’s a lot more than Baltimore has done (Ray Rice, Suggs, Ray Lewis, ect)
    3. Bugging the lockerroom – no bugs have ever been found. How is that evidence of cheating?
    4. Deflating footballs – no evidence as testified in court by nfl investigators. 3 of 4 Colt balls were under the limit. Where is the investigation on them?
    5. Destroyed his phone – texts were already provided. NFL told Brady his phone was not needed and wouldn’t be a reason for supplemental punishment. Plus, players are NOT required to hand over personal phones per labor agreement.

    No, Peyton does not get the benefit. Learn to think for yourself and not to just believe whatever the NFL wants you to think. Goodell lied in court about Brady’s testimony. It’s in the transcript.

  140. spillertime21 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 11:38 PM
    Pats fans are ridiculous. You got caught cheating twice and don’t have to give the SB trophies back, even tho the Pats should give them back.
    Any Pats fan that has anything bad to say about goodell apparently forgets the part of history where he threw the hoodie and Kraft a huge bone by destroying YEARS of tapes where the Pats illegally filmed opponents (belli-cheat admitted as much.) This saved that franchise w the most front running fans in all of sports even further humiliation.
    Thank your lucky stars for goodell. If he was more interested in the truth than protecting the shield, the Pats would have (at least) 3 less trophies in their case.
    Thoughts?
    ————————————–
    Weren’t the tapes shown during the press conference announcing the penalties? There are some who say there was more on the tapes, like other teams doing the same thing and they were destroyed to minimize the scandal.

  141. vikingforlife says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:22 PM
    Peyton is believable because he has never been accused of cheating before. Fans who work in the healthcare industry know that many players go overseas for stem cell treatment (NO BIG DEAL). I really don’t understand this desire to crucify this man. Are Patriot fans that bitter? Your team and coaches are proven cheaters. Enough said. GET OVER IT. Leave everyone else alone!

    ——–

    Brady wasn’t either but that didn’t stop you, did it? Peyton is now playing for an organization that was penalized for cheating the Salary Cap TWICE. His team, owner and GM are proven cheaters.

    Guess it only matters if it’s the Patriots. Hypocrisy all around.

  142. They only had accusations and conjecture against Brady, which is the same thing they have on Manning.
    =========================

    WRONG

    The actual NFL ILLEGAL PED was sent to Peyton house with his wife as the Fall Guy.

    HUGE Difference

    It would be equivalent to the Patriots Footballs being Express Shipped to Gisele Brady, she lets the air out and then she ships them back to the sidelines before the game.

  143. 94niners says:
    Jan 26, 2016 10:54 PM
    What if Manning’s wife was using it for fertility purposes?

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    Then why get from the Guyer Institute Instead of her OB/GYN? So basically, she prefered to get it from an illegal source instead of having through legal channels? Does that make any sense at all?

  144. skinsprinting says:
    Jan 26, 2016 9:30 PM
    plum54 says:
    Jan 26, 2016 8:10 PM
    Phinfan you just don’t get it! HGH is a banned substance, it’s a performance enhancing drug( PED). It’s illegal to take. End of story.

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    plum54 you don’t get it …HGH was NOT a banned substance when it was alleged that Manning. Look it up

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    You don’t get it. Rodney Harrison was suspended 4 games in 2007 because he had HGH delivered to his house. The NFL didn’t even bothered to test him or anything. They just suspended him because he had possesion of it. So if it wasn’t a banned susbstance in 2007, why was he suspended? That set up a precedent. Look it up.

  145. Manning is no dummy. Never involved outside agencies, trainers, alleged friends. No one saw him swallow or inject. Had the stuff shipped to his house, for his wife’s use. Ri-i-i-i-i-ight.
    Without proof of consumption/ejection, case will go nowhere.
    How many years ago, did Goodell lose control?

  146. trina16 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 11:15 AM
    You don’t get it. Rodney Harrison was suspended 4 games in 2007 because he had HGH delivered to his house. The NFL didn’t even bothered to test him or anything. They just suspended him because he had possesion of it. So if it wasn’t a banned susbstance in 2007, why was he suspended? That set up a precedent. Look it up.

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    I took your advice, and looked it up…in the article I read Harrison is quoted as saying….
    “I want to make it clear,” Harrison said, “that never once did I take steroids. I did admit to the commissioner that I took a banned substance.”
    So I would imagine that is why he was suspended, without testing….

  147. So a joke of a news organization made this initial report. Weeks later it goes out of business because it was a joke of a news organization. So let’s keep believing a phony report.

  148. rconatser1 says:
    Jan 27, 2016 8:53 AM

    Deflategate: video of Pats employee taking balls into toilet out of camera range. Fact
    Brady destroyed phone to keep from turning it over to the NFL. Fact.
    Texts between two Pats employees admitting to tampering with the balls. Fact

    Big difference here.
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    Only the first one is actually a fact. The second is definitely not a fact. The third one is also untrue, though they did talk about conditioning the footballs, which was part of their job duties.

  149. plum54 you don’t get it …HGH was NOT a banned substance when it was alleged that Manning. Look it up

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    HGH has been on the NFL banned substances list since 1991.

    🙂

  150. Have to love all the rationalizing Pat’s fans put forth. How many of you have seen all the evidence? How about the spygate evidence that was promptly destroyed?

    That’s what I thought. You know what the NFL decided you were allowed to know. Nothing more.

    Where there is smoke, there is fire.

    You guys sure had a ball with Bullygate. Not so funny when the Goodell’s latest scandal is in your backyard. How does that crow taste?

  151. So anyone screaming for an “independent investigation”… what would you like to happen? Ted Wells will knock on their door, and they’ll tell him to go home. Then Manning will say they weren’t mine… then the investigation is over. This allegedly happened in 2011 so I doubt anyone has their cell phones from 5 years ago. Not sure what else their supposed to do. Any serious suggestions or just a bunch of people who want to shout from rooftops?
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    Because he is so innocent, you ask him to cooperate and open his phone and medical records. When he refuses, you suspend him for two games for failure to cooperate. Isn’t hat the president that has been set by the Emperor? You do it because Roger said so, or you get smeared.

  152. Investigator:
    I interviewed Mr. Manning and found him to be a warm, wonderful human being. There was no need to continue and we are 100 % satisfied.
    I think that about wraps it up.
    Now let’s grab a burger.

  153. Have to love all the rationalizing Pat’s fans put forth. How many of you have seen all the evidence? How about the spygate evidence that was promptly destroyed?
    _________________________________

    You mean the tapes that were played for the media during the press conference with Goodell so they got to see exactly what Belichick had been filming?

  154. The NFL is a BUSINE$$. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s all about the MONEY.

    Wake up & smell the viewership/storyboard. It has all been scripted.

    The iconic Peyton Manning’s “last rodeo” vs the
    younger, diametrically opposite Cam Newton’s 1st Super Bowl.

    Young vs old, white vs black, traditonal dropback quarterback vs running (& dropback quarterback). Old style, minimal celebrations, vs newer elaborate celebrations.

    Ironically Cam’s quarterbacking style (sans celebrations) is much more like Peyton’s father’s style, when Arch was at Ole Miss.

    It’s a Hollywood scripted Super Bowl matchup, to maximize TV viewership.

    All that’s left to see is
    a) Who was scripted to win?
    b) Will whoever was scripted to lose, play along?
    c)And if not, what is the NFL prepared to do, to get their desired outcome? Ie., how long will the lights be off, this time?

    In the immortal words of Brian Tuohy (emphasis mine), “Would YOU leave a multi-billion dollar business up to chance?”

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