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Jameis Winston’s accuser wants investigation records from NFL, Buccaneers

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The Miranda warnings — the admonition that anything you say can and will be used against you — doesn’t apply only within the confines of statements made to the police. Under the rules of evidence in most American jurisdictions, anything that a party to litigation has said out of court can be used in court, regardless of the rule against hearsay.

And so it’s no surprise that the lawyers representing Erica Kinsman want to find out what Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston said to the NFL and/or the team last year, in advance of his selection as the first overall pick in the draft. According to Matt Baker of the Tampa Bay Times, Kinsman’s lawyers have issued subpoenas aimed at obtaining all relevant records generated by the league and the Buccaneers.

The Bucs claimed last year that they conducted a thorough investigation of Winston, who is accused of sexually assaulting Kinsman in December 2012. Also, Winston voluntarily went to New York to meet with Commissioner Roger Goodell in advance of being picked.

While it’s highly unlikely that Winston admitted wrongdoing to the league or the team, Kinsman’s lawyers will compare anything he said in that setting to anything he has said in any other setting, in the hopes of showing that he has told inconsistent stories. If Winston’s statements conflict in any significant way, Kinsman’s lawyers would use those contradictions to suggest that Winston isn’t telling the truth about what happened — and that Kinsman is.

Credibility always is important in court. Credibility becomes critical where, as in this case, two different people will sharing with the jury two dramatically different versions of the truth. If one has consistently told the same story and the other is all over the place, that becomes relevant to figuring out who should be believed.

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33 Responses to “Jameis Winston’s accuser wants investigation records from NFL, Buccaneers”
  1. pantherfan1973299 says: Jan 28, 2016 10:01 PM

    Bout time.

  2. vicksdawgpound says: Jan 28, 2016 10:07 PM

    If he did do he should not get away with it just because of who he is.

  3. bueller101 says: Jan 28, 2016 10:08 PM

    She hasn’t. Read the police reports. Google them. They are on line.

  4. bucs4redskinsname says: Jan 28, 2016 10:15 PM

    I work in Zephyrhills where Erica Kinsman lived and went to high school. Everyone in town knew she was a cleat chasing ho. Looking forward to all the dirt in her past coming out in court.

  5. thehatefulnerd says: Jan 28, 2016 10:18 PM

    Gold digger.

  6. grantgoodman93 says: Jan 28, 2016 10:23 PM

    I cannot believe this is still going on. Go away.

  7. Hu3m4n says: Jan 28, 2016 10:36 PM

    Nobody believes the Kinsman side of the story but her lawyers.

    Not her friends, not other students, not independent investigators, not university investigators, not the NFL, and neither will the judge.

  8. justintuckrule says: Jan 28, 2016 10:37 PM

    Winston should embrace this if what he told the league is the TRUTH!

  9. ctiggs says: Jan 28, 2016 10:40 PM

    its getting more and more obvious here that Jameis is the victim in this

  10. henryjones20 says: Jan 28, 2016 10:52 PM

    yeah,whenever I rape someone I always give them a ride home on my moped like Winston did also.

  11. birdgang says: Jan 28, 2016 10:58 PM

    Erica Kinsman’s story has changed often. Why do you not state these facts or that he has already been through 3 hearings and all have been ruled in his favor? She has every right to do whatever is in her lawyers legal right

  12. theneedforspeeed says: Jan 28, 2016 11:09 PM

    Everything ruled in his favor? You mean like the university paying out $950,000 to her and her lawyers this week?

    How is that in his favor?

  13. kevo95 says: Jan 28, 2016 11:28 PM

    Shou be banned from the NFL

  14. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 28, 2016 11:55 PM

    I can’t wait until his countersuit hits the courts, and HER inconsistent stories come to the light.

  15. bigdog2372 says: Jan 29, 2016 12:03 AM

    “Everything ruled in his favor? You mean like the university paying out $950,000 to her and her lawyers this week?

    How is that in his favor?”

    Unfortunately the way that most major companies (in this case, university) handle lawsuits are on a bottom line basis. I.E., it would cost FSU far more in legal fees to drag this out for years than what they paid out in settlement. The bad part is, while its better financially for the university to do this, it’s worse for most everyone else because money/publicity seekers will be emboldened because they know there will be a payday at the end of the rainbow. In my opinion, and in the opinion of most that have been actually paid attention to this, this is exactly what happened here. I haven’t heard one credible source with knowledge of this case claim that Winston is guilty of this.

  16. jshawaii22 says: Jan 29, 2016 12:03 AM

    …. Nobody believes the Kinsman side of the story but her lawyers.

    Not her friends, not other students, not independent investigators, not university investigators, not the NFL, and neither will the judge….

    That may be true, but if she can convince a CIVIL jury, that only needs to be 51% convinced, she can win and win a lot, not just from the kid, but from the School, and possibly the police/procecutor (if there was ever any cover up)

    js

  17. jonathankrobinson424 says: Jan 29, 2016 12:38 AM

    …….college served her well. She got close to a million from the university…she’ll get lets say 3 million from winstons side to finally go away….pay the lawyers 1 million and she clears 2 million for her lies. Not bad for a drunken roll in the hay with a athlete.

  18. j huber says: Jan 29, 2016 1:26 AM

    I told you that he wouldn’t last a year. He’s an arrogant jock with a sports degree.

  19. turbo2728 says: Jan 29, 2016 1:56 AM

    They want to see if Winston’s story is inconsistent?

    What, as opposed to her ever changing version of events? Google the case, read the news reports and time and time again, her story changes.

    This is a clear case of someone looking for a payday and not justice. Which is pretty disgusting, because it takes credibility away from people who have actually suffered this horrendous crime.

  20. thegreatgabbert says: Jan 29, 2016 2:23 AM

    This could hinder his chances of becoming the next great morally degenerate quarterback in the league after Cam Newton.

  21. abninf says: Jan 29, 2016 7:28 AM

    She reported the alleged rape immediately after the encounter, and before she knew he was a star football player. Doesn’t sound like a liar to me.

  22. JC De La Torre says: Jan 29, 2016 7:31 AM

    I find it ironic that her lawyers want to find inconsistencies in Winston’s story when their own client has 6 different versions of the incident.

    Nothing she has said has been shown to be proven factual. She even lied in the “Hunting Ground” claiming she was drugged but tests (and her own testimony later) showed she wasn’t.

    Jameis will win against as he always has because she’s full of crap.

  23. investwax says: Jan 29, 2016 8:33 AM

    What makes anyone think his comments to teh league and Bucs would be any different than testimony and prior evidence? Does anyone think, that if he did do this, he would reveal incriminating details to the league or Bucs, who are thinking of letting him play?

    This smells of an opportunity for more publicity, that’s all.

  24. nicofthenorthstar says: Jan 29, 2016 9:56 AM

    Justice, Florida style: “So you’re an exceptional football player.
    We’re good. Case closed.”

  25. laserw says: Jan 29, 2016 10:38 AM

    There is more here than we’ve been told.

    The Rapist Winston will not sign a second contract. He’ll be in jail.

    Book it.

  26. surfinbird1 says: Jan 29, 2016 1:28 PM

    Jameis = Future Steeler.

  27. trmeyer1 says: Jan 29, 2016 1:58 PM

    She needs to let this go. She’s not winning. Or keep it going and just not report on it. I’m sick of this…

  28. breadmeatcheese says: Jan 29, 2016 5:06 PM

    rape, rape, rape, rape, rape. rapity rapey rape. rapey rapey rape.
    ray-hee-a-e-ape. raper, raperoo. raperino rapey rapity rape.

  29. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 29, 2016 5:22 PM

    nicofthenorthstar says:
    Jan 29, 2016 9:56 AM
    Justice, Florida style: “So you’re an exceptional football player.
    We’re good. Case closed.”
    ——–

    Justice, Social media style: “Let’s ignore the facts stated in public record and assume the same, tired, ‘Give him a pass because he is a great player and makes the university money'” line.”

  30. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 29, 2016 5:25 PM

    abninf says:
    Jan 29, 2016 7:28 AM
    She reported the alleged rape immediately after the encounter, and before she knew he was a star football player. Doesn’t sound like a liar to me.
    ————

    However, she came back months later, after he WAS known (including by her) to be a star in the making and lighting up the skies, after drastically changing her description of the supposed attacker and naming him out of the blue.

    This is a classic case of why liars fail. You have to keep telling lies to keep the first one going and end up getting trapped in the lie in the end.

  31. petedutcherjr says: Jan 31, 2016 10:32 PM

    One person tells one story…the other told multiple stories. So really, saying there are two stories is wrong.

  32. dunstonjones14 says: Feb 2, 2016 11:28 AM

    This has become more and more of a pain. Can this just be over with

  33. dunstonjones14 says: Feb 2, 2016 11:30 AM

    Kinsman has been hard to believe since her story keeps changing so much

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