Elway built Broncos with speed, but not 40 speed

AP

As John Elway built the Broncos’ roster, he emphasized speed in the players he drafted. Just not the kind of speed that’s measured in shorts and T-shirts in Indianapolis in February.

Instead, Elway looked for speed shown in pads in the fall. Elway told Peter King of TheMMQB.com that he scouts players by scrutinizing the tape to see how fast they play.

“Speed kills. But not 40 speed. Play speed. A guy’s 40 speed might be 4.8, but look at his instincts and how he reacts to plays—that might get his true speed down to 4.6,” Elway said.

Later this month, the football world will obsess about 40 times as a few hundred young players compete at the Combine. But Elway is right that the speed that really matters is the speed that shows up in the game, and that isn’t always the same as 40 speed.

87 responses to “Elway built Broncos with speed, but not 40 speed

  1. 40 speed is useless and any GM/scout that thinks it means anything would be fired immediately if I owned a team. This has been said time and time again, running in a straight line, in a dome in your underwear proves nothing.

  2. GMs will still be slanted towards players that put up outrageous stats. This article is a great explanation of why some guys with high expectations fail to perform on the field. I remember when Bob Hayes, the world’s fastest human being, translated well into football with the Cowboys. I’ll take football smarts and great instincts over statistical printouts anytime though.

  3. Belichick always puts far more emphasis on the 3 cone drill. Players like Jamie Collins, Julian Edelman, and Wes Welker, to name a few, were excellent in the 3 cone drill

  4. The less you have to think, the faster you play.

    A guy could run a 4.4 40 and have to count the steps for an out route and that 4.4 becomes a 4.8…or worse. Or not have the feet to get open (make a cut) and so on.

    People are enamored with 40 times because they think they are the world’s greatest teacher and you can’t teach speed. I don’t think you can teach instincts either. Some people are just players…period.

  5. Since the NFL doesn’t play football in unitards, timing 40’s in football gear might help clear up some discrepancies.

  6. Have to be impressed with how Elway has built this team, especially how an offensive wizard has stressed Defense.

  7. dwinsgames says:
    Feb 1, 2016 9:25 AM

    Have to be impressed with how Elway has built this team, especially how an offensive wizard has stressed Defense.
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    Looks like being on the losing end of 21, 22 and 24 where all three of the opposing teams had a great Pass Rush, and excellent defenses left a mark on him.

  8. Carolina has the bigger O-line and they can run the ball, that is why the Panthers will win it all.

  9. Jerry Rice had like 4.7 speed yet routinely smoked people and put the fear of God into DBs as both a deep threat and a threat to take a short pass the distance.

  10. Elway also duped people into thinking his teams are built properly enough to win a Super Bowl.

    It’s sort of like how he was as a player..Overrated.

    Potemkin Village.

  11. Of course it doesn’t hurt when players like Von Miller, Demarcus Ware, Demaryius Thomas, and Aqib Talib can run really fast in shorts and in pads.

  12. When Elway first joined the front office I thought it would be another Dan Marino situation in which a former team legend was given a Sr. Front office role he wasn’t qualified for but Elway has shown he is not only qualified but one of the best at his profession.

    And even though Elway played at Stanford and earned an economics degree there I still think some people had the stereotypical dumb jock label on him when he first came into the league but he seems to be successful in almost every career/business that he touches. Legendary NFL QB, established 5 auto dealerships and later sold them for $83 million…Still owns a number of other dealerships, successful NFL team executive. The guy is legit.

  13. I love all the “salary cap comments.” To find dirt on the Broncos you only have to go back more than 15 years. Meanwhile, Patriots fans sitting there like, “The NFL didn’t catch us THIS year!”

  14. Denver Broncos are actually cheating (undetectable HGH from China/Guyer Institure) and have cheated with proof.

    A far cry from Belichick mocking Mangini (and Goodell) in broad daylight in 2007, one full season after Goodell adjusted the rule and sent a memo out, his first order of business on 9.6.06.

    Hmm.

    And we know about the Deflatgate lies and attempted framejob, so Roger is 0 for 2 in the framejob department. LMAO

    Can anyone figure out how the Broncos could factually cheat in 1995, 1996 and 1997, the Pats never cheated, but somehow Goodell creates a narrative to make it seem like the Pats did for punishments, yet we learn later what the truth is?

    Oh wait!

    Parity. Salary cap. Denver wasn’t good in 2001, 2002 and 2003, when the NFL ran the audits to catch them cheating (acutal, real cheating), so that is why their punishment was so light.

    Get the Jaguars (AFC team) in London by 2020 to satsify greedy millionaire owners. An AFC team in London competing with the Patriots needs to be good or great in order to succeed, right Roger/owners?

    Get on the big story, media! LMAO

    Hilarious to me that the media still thinks the NFL customer does not know the real truth.

    We know, ROger! We know!

  15. Elway has to be one of the top 5 GMs in sports these days. Since he took over the 4-12 Broncos they have made the super bowl 50% of the time with two different coaches and one year the league’s best offense and the next time the league’s best defense.

  16. 94niners says:
    Feb 1, 2016 9:49 AM

    Jerry Rice had like 4.7 speed yet routinely smoked people and put the fear of God into DBs as both a deep threat and a threat to take a short pass the distance.

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    OK, let’s talk about that a bit more. He ran a 4.7 40 in a workout for scouts. That is true He also ran faster times in other workouts.

    He also got Faster as his career went along, and as e trained to get stronger and faster. In his Prime, I am confident that he ran a 4.4/4.5.

    But Jerry was also very, very good, maybe the best at keeping his top speed in and out of breaks, and sublty running his route to get the defender turned and then going where they weren’t.

    I agree there many, many other receivers that were faster in a race, but with a Corner on him, he was the best.

    Put a Stop Watch on him, he’s ordinary. Put a D-Back on him and he’s Legendary.

  17. Apparently the bronco guy forgot about the little HGH scandal that got swept under the rug like 2 months ago

    Broncos fans: I believe Peyton! Tom Brady is a cheater, though!

  18. How do we not know the entire Broncos team is not using Gomer’s undetectable HGH right now? CHris Harris looked like he didn’t have torn ligaments in his arm last week.

    How does that happe

  19. lambeauheap says:Feb 1, 2016 10:26 AM

    Apparently the bronco guy forgot about the little HGH scandal that got swept under the rug like 2 months ago

    Broncos fans: I believe Peyton! Tom Brady is a cheater, though!

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    You’re talking about the story run by that muslim news network in which their main source recanted everything and is now getting sued by two athletes not named Peyton Manning? Is that what you’re referencing?

  20. How do we not know the entire Broncos team is not using Gomer’s undetectable HGH right now? CHris Harris looked like he didn’t have torn ligaments in his arm last week.

    How does that happ_______________________

    And your team is using nothing? Hey son, tell us when the last time your team went to the playoffs or even had a winning season?? Tick tock.

  21. tylawspick6 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 10:19 AM
    Denver Broncos are actually cheating (undetectable HGH from China/Guyer Institure) and have cheated with proof.

    A far cry from Belichick mocking Mangini (and Goodell) in broad daylight in 2007, one full season after Goodell adjusted the rule and sent a memo out, his first order of business on 9.6.06.

    Hmm.

    And we know about the Deflatgate lies and attempted framejob, so Roger is 0 for 2 in the framejob department. LMAO

    Can anyone figure out how the Broncos could factually cheat in 1995, 1996 and 1997, the Pats never cheated, but somehow Goodell creates a narrative to make it seem like the Pats did for punishments, yet we learn later what the truth is?

    Oh wait!

    Parity. Salary cap. Denver wasn’t good in 2001, 2002 and 2003, when the NFL ran the audits to catch them cheating (acutal, real cheating), so that is why their punishment was so light.

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    Maybe the Bronco’s team took a dive because their franchise QB retired? Or maybe because their HOF caliber RB tore his knee up and retired? But no it couldn’t be that. I’m sure if Brady retires over the summer and Gronk blows his knee out, the Patriots will be right back in the AFC championship next year.

  22. And please stop bringing up the Bronco’s salary cap issues as if that somehow compares to what the Patriot’s have done. If you did 5 seconds of checking you would see what the salary cap issue was about: Elway and Davis were asked to not cash some salary checks in order for the money to be used to help fund the new stadium. They were eventually paid what they were owed, in accordance with their contract. It was a violation of the rules, they were punished; but to think this somehow translates to a competitive edge on the playing field is stupid. You’re ignorantly trying to justify your own team’s real cheating that gives an actual advantage in a game setting, and it’s coming off as desperate

  23. In his book, Bill Walsh said that when he reviewed the tape, Jerry Rice was never caught from behind by defenders. That’s one of the reasons why he was so enamored with Rice.

  24. StGatsby says:
    Feb 1, 2016 10:59 AM
    And please stop bringing up the Bronco’s salary cap issues as if that somehow compares to what the Patriot’s have done. If you did 5 seconds of checking you would see what the salary cap issue was about…

    The salary cap “issue” was all about cheating. Period.

    If the Broncos had not been cheating on the salary cap, then a moderately reasonable Commissioner like Paul Tagliabue would not have had them fined close to $1 million on two separate occasions, not to mention docking them two 3rd round picks.

  25. The allegedly HGH scandal reports are back in 2011 before Manning was even with the Denver Broncos. To say the Broncos are cheaters in 2015/2016 because of the HGH report is silly. Let alone that it has been recanted by the source and Al Jazeera America is being shut down.

  26. whywerule says:
    Feb 1, 2016 11:07 AM
    StGatsby says:
    Feb 1, 2016 10:59 AM
    And please stop bringing up the Bronco’s salary cap issues as if that somehow compares to what the Patriot’s have done. If you did 5 seconds of checking you would see what the salary cap issue was about…

    The salary cap “issue” was all about cheating. Period.

    If the Broncos had not been cheating on the salary cap, then a moderately reasonable Commissioner like Paul Tagliabue would not have had them fined close to $1 million on two separate occasions, not to mention docking them two 3rd round picks.

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    Not arguing that they were in the wrong or that they derserved punishment; they were and they did. But the “cheating” never give them an advantage in a game, that is the important difference. So call them out for making a stupid decision all you want, I am certainly part of that crowd; but stop trying to use this as equivocation for another team’s blatant transgressions.

  27. Similar to the Panthers. Some of their best players are “slow” for their position according to 40 speed. Both Josh Norman and Kelvin Benjamin ran 4.6+ 40s which is usually a killer for CBs and WRs.

  28. Not arguing that they were in the wrong or that they derserved punishment; they were and they did. But the “cheating” never give them an advantage in a game, that is the important difference.

    I’m pretty sure that being able to keep players paid at a level above the salary cap allowed the Broncos to have total roster quality higher than they would have had if they’d abided by salary cap rules. And that certainly gave them an advantage in a lot of games.

    If it didn’t give them any advantage playing football, they wouldn’t have done it!

    Violating the salary cap is a bigger deal than videotaping the coaches in a game played in front of 60,000 people (as opposed to simply hiring a guy to write down descriptions of coaching signals – something that is allowed). And it’s certainly a bigger deal than not being caught tampering with footballs, which is what happened last year. Even though millions of people seem to think the opposite happened.

    If the Pats hadn’t had to worry about the salary cap, they wouldn’t have traded Logan Mankins, who certainly would have been useful in the AFCCG. See how that works?

  29. jc327 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 11:25 AM

    Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith both ran something like 4.7 40s but I saw them both outrun DBs to the endzone many times.

    The 40 time reflects acceleration as much as it tests speed. Having a better 40 time doesn’t mean that a player has a better top speed. Some people accelerate faster than others.

    Carl Lewis was notorious for starting slow in the 100m, and then passing people in the last 100m. He would often pass Ben Johnson, who was explosive out of the blocks but had a slower peak speed.

  30. Correction: Elway has BOUGHT the Broncos- not built them. Antonio Smith, TJ Ward, Emmanuel Sanders, Peyton Manning, Evan Mathis, Aqib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Owen Daniels, Wes Welker, etc.

    This is their last shot at the big one before age and finances catch up to them. They won’t have the #1 defense again next year with the age of their defense and Osweiler is not the next Peyton Manning.

    Let’s see if Elway really can buy a championship in the NFL.

  31. The NFL is full of personnel people that don’t understand that. Many can be just as gullible as the average armchair GM at home. You here people or read online constantly about what does and doesn’t matter. Preseason football is a prime example. But if you watch games, regardless what level or their meaning, you will see players that seem to be moving at a different speed than everyone else on the field. At speeds the measurables don’t account for. Those are the guys you take a harder look at. Even YouTube highlight videos are telling. Learn to set aside the name, the hype, the school and the bravado and just focus on what happens from the time the ball is hiked to the whistle.

  32. listenup823 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 12:17 PM
    The Panthers only played 4 teams with winning records..

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    This. And Denver had the toughest schedule in the NFL. The entire betting public is going to lose a lot of money just like last week.

  33. Uhhhh, this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense??

    Last time I checked, there are really fast 40 guys all over that roster. Hillman, Sanders, Thomas, Davis on O? Miller, Ware, Talib, Harris, Ward D?

    Maybe he’s talking about the Oline and interior Dline?

  34. The Panthers only played 4 teams with winning records..
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    And they beat Seattle quite soundly and totally whipped the overrated Cardinals. They are the real deal.

  35. whispersd says:
    Feb 1, 2016 12:01 PM
    Not arguing that they were in the wrong or that they derserved punishment; they were and they did. But the “cheating” never give them an advantage in a game, that is the important difference.

    I’m pretty sure that being able to keep players paid at a level above the salary cap allowed the Broncos to have total roster quality higher than they would have had if they’d abided by salary cap rules. And that certainly gave them an advantage in a lot of games.

    If it didn’t give them any advantage playing football, they wouldn’t have done it!

    Violating the salary cap is a bigger deal than videotaping the coaches in a game played in front of 60,000 people (as opposed to simply hiring a guy to write down descriptions of coaching signals – something that is allowed). And it’s certainly a bigger deal than not being caught tampering with footballs, which is what happened last year. Even though millions of people seem to think the opposite happened.

    If the Pats hadn’t had to worry about the salary cap, they wouldn’t have traded Logan Mankins, who certainly would have been useful in the AFCCG. See how that works?

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    But that’s not what happened, there is your problem. The total salary cap never changed. They never went to a player and said “hey we’ll pay you 9 mill next year but only report it as 6 mill for the salary cap” and then use that extra money to sign additional higher quality players. This is all public information, actually read the reports before you jump to conclusions.

    Again, the salary cap violation was the team asking Elway and Davis to defer some of their salary checks so that the money could be used to fund a stadium. The checks that were defered were already counting towards the salary cap. They did not allow the Bronco’s to have a secret salary cap that was larger than any other team’s cap. This is not an opinion, these are the facts. What they did was wrong, and the deserved to be punished, but it did not help them win games or two Super Bowls.

    Let’s do a little analogy of the Patriot’s cheating vs Bronco’s cheating. I’ll do the Patriots you do the Broncos

    Patriots were caught videotaping other teams’ play signals: So let’s say were are playing a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. I am going to use “Rock”. See if you can figure out a way to beat me.

    Bronco’s were caught asking players to hold off on being paid a certain amount of money (the amount which was already recorded for salary cap purposes): *Explain how this gives the Bronco’s a better chance at winning a game

  36. dcbronco says:
    Feb 1, 2016 12:11 PM

    The NFL is full of personnel people that don’t understand that. Many can be just as gullible as the average armchair GM at home. You here people or read online constantly about what does and doesn’t matter. Preseason football is a prime example. But if you watch games, regardless what level or their meaning, you will see players that seem to be moving at a different speed than everyone else on the field. At speeds the measurables don’t account for. Those are the guys you take a harder look at. Even YouTube highlight videos are telling. Learn to set aside the name, the hype, the school and the bravado and just focus on what happens from the time the ball is hiked to the whistle.
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    I am not so sure they don’t understand it. I do think however that they make more allowances for the development of a player with superior athletic attributes vs. a player with great instincts but lacking athletically. Al Davis is the exception to that rule, as he was completely enamored with the athlete vs. the football player. I think the media scouting community is way more caught up in measurables than the teams are. Kiper, McShay, and their contemporaries are always looking at “best available” lists where guys have dropped multiple rounds below where they were predicted to go. Occasionally guys go way higher than where the media scouts say, but the league is relatively close on most rankings (variances of course based on scheme and team peculiarities).

    What usually ends up happening is that they have comparable grades on 2 players at the same position, and they bump the better athlete ahead of the other guy on their board. Backfires sometimes, but is the first tie-breaker in the room. I have heard Bill Polian, Marc Dominic, and Scott Pioli all say that athletic traits are one piece of the evaluation process, but the first tie breaker criteria when the grades are the same. Second is interview or personality of the guy.

  37. But that’s not what happened, there is your problem. The total salary cap never changed. They never went to a player and said “hey we’ll pay you 9 mill next year but only report it as 6 mill for the salary cap” and then use that extra money to sign additional higher quality players. This is all public information, actually read the reports before you jump to conclusions.

    Again, the salary cap violation was the team asking Elway and Davis to defer some of their salary checks so that the money could be used to fund a stadium. The checks that were defered were already counting towards the salary cap. They did not allow the Bronco’s to have a secret salary cap that was larger than any other team’s cap. This is not an opinion, these are the facts. What they did was wrong, and the deserved to be punished, but it did not help them win games or two Super Bowls.

    Let’s do a little analogy of the Patriot’s cheating vs Bronco’s cheating. I’ll do the Patriots you do the Broncos

    Patriots were caught videotaping other teams’ play signals: So let’s say were are playing a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. I am going to use “Rock”. See if you can figure out a way to beat me.

    Bronco’s were caught asking players to hold off on being paid a certain amount of money (the amount which was already recorded for salary cap purposes): *Explain how this gives the Bronco’s a better chance at winning a game
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    Are you completely unaware of Mike Shanahan’s comments on signal stealing? Everyone did it and still does it as much as possible. Find me an NFL broadcast where coaches aren’t covering their mouths when they call in plays.

  38. shogunassasin30 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 12:29 PM

    This. And Denver had the toughest schedule in the NFL.
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    No they didn’t. Green Bay did.

  39. Bronco fan here, and I hate the Patriots. But Patriots I don’t think are cheaters. Deflated ball? The Colts were dead if it had been a soccer ball.

    And frankly I got a kick out of the Patriots’ antics with declaring eligible receivers last year. Awesome head-game, and one little loop in the rules the Patriots were smart enough to jump on. That’s called ‘smart’ not ‘cheating.’

    Besides, as Broncos fan I want to know when they beat Pats they won for real, not because cheating blew up in Patsy faces or whatever. They just won by beating the best. Simple. I like that.

  40. broncos, chiefs, and raiders all signed big name players and tried to win championship. the chargers on the other hand, went the opposite direction…#sigh
    – a charger fan.

  41. “Are you completely unaware of Mike Shanahan’s comments on signal stealing? Everyone did it and still does it as much as possible. Find me an NFL broadcast where coaches aren’t covering their mouths when they call in plays.”

    Well that excuses everything, others did it too! Going to cheat on my girl and use that excuse. “You caught me hut it’s cool, others do it too!”

  42. Well that excuses everything, others did it too! Going to cheat on my girl and use that excuse. “You caught me hut it’s cool, others do it too!”

    ___________

    Meh, more like if your girl was cheating on you, you wouldn’t want to hear any lectures from her about fidelity. Of course it’s wrong, and of course it should be punished, but when all teams are guilty fans look silly on their high horse.

  43. flutener333 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 2:20 PM
    So, exactly what players did Elway draft on this team?

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    Von Miller, Derek Wolf, Chris Harris Jr, Malik Jackson, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster. Pretty much our entire defense. Which is young and for the most part signed or will be signed to long term contracts soon. But other than that I guess he hasn’t drafted many people

  44. Von Miller, Derek Wolf, Chris Harris Jr, Malik Jackson, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster. Pretty much our entire defense. Which is young and for the most part signed or will be signed to long term contracts soon. But other than that I guess he hasn’t drafted many people

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    Trevethan and Marshall were also key pick ups. The only good LB we’ve had the last 10 years was DJ Williams before they came in. The depth behind them is better than a lot of our starters during Shanahan’s last years

  45. Even if Peyton did use HGH, he may not even be the best QB on their roster anymore. He had very little to do with the Broncos getting to the super bowl.

  46. I used to hate Horseface and the Broncos. I will say though that, unlike another prominent AFC franchise, the Broncos do win without cheating.

  47. td30 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 2:54 PM

    Von Miller, Derek Wolf, Chris Harris Jr, Malik Jackson, Bradley Roby, Kayvon Webster. Pretty much our entire defense. Which is young and for the most part signed or will be signed to long term contracts soon. But other than that I guess he hasn’t drafted many people

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    Trevethan and Marshall were also key pick ups. The only good LB we’ve had the last 10 years was DJ Williams before they came in. The depth behind them is better than a lot of our starters during Shanahan’s last years
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    Brock Osweiler has a big future too. He’ll get better and better with each start. Shane Ray was a steal at the end of round one. He’s a top 5 talent. Elway put together a great personnel staff. They’re old fashion tape grinders. Elway’s dad was also an NFL scout after he left coaching. Things like the 40 yard dash, arm length, vertical jump, etc., are examples of short cuts. Lazy scouts are big on short cuts. Elway is big on winning. He’s willing to put in the hard work. His hard work is paying off. Just like Elway’s decision to go to Stanford. He knew he’d have to work much harder in the classroom. But he knew all that hard work would pay off.

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  48. Patriots fans have lapped Seahawks “dynasty” fans as the most hated in the nation. Denver is this year’s America’s Team.

  49. The HGH story was never “totally recanted”. The guy got scared and said he wasn’t working there. Then it came out he was. That’s him recanting the whole story?

    Personally, I don’t really care about PM and his HGH, just don’t throw stones when your QB’s been on illegal substances for years. The guy didn’t string together back to back weeks this year without it showing up on the INT scorecard. Then he comes out against NE and looks fine? Use your eyes people. The guy comes back from 4 surgeries to break all the passing records there are. And that’s not a smoking gun? I’m sure it was all for ashley though, right?

  50. To the poster claiming Elway has gotten Denver to the super bowl 2/3 years, well 43-8 was the result of one super bowl. Unless Cam takes a low blow from Denver, don’t see this super bowl score much different.

  51. thegronk87 says:
    Feb 1, 2016 9:41 AM
    it’s not difficult to sign a bunch of free agents if you have the cap space
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    Clearly you don’t know a great deal about the Broncos if you think it’s all about the free agents.

  52. mrwalterisgod says:
    Feb 1, 2016 12:08 PM
    Correction: Elway has BOUGHT the Broncos- not built them. Antonio Smith, TJ Ward, Emmanuel Sanders, Peyton Manning, Evan Mathis, Aqib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Owen Daniels, Wes Welker, etc.

    This is their last shot at the big one before age and finances catch up to them. They won’t have the #1 defense again next year with the age of their defense and Osweiler is not the next Peyton Manning.

    Let’s see if Elway really can buy a championship in the NFL.
    ——————————————————————Welker isn’r on the Broncos. He played for the Rams last year.

    Antonio Smith is on something like 2million—I’d be suprised if Daniels is on something more.

    As far as the defense goes…they will all be back. The only one i could possibly see leaving is Malik Jackson.

    And finally…..you are aware that every team gets the same amount of cash to spend right?

  53. should be an interesting game. I really don’t know who to pick. 2 years ago, I was so certain it would be a seattle blow out because Denver was a soft, slow football team that benefited from an easy schedule and never faced anything close to seattle. This year, not so certain.

  54. The Panthers only played 4 teams with winning records..
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    And they beat Seattle quite soundly and totally whipped the overrated Cardinals. They are the real deal.
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    Panthers beat the Texans by one TD. One!

  55. Pathetic to keep hijacking threads and sniveling about how unfair life is.
    You aren’t getting your draft pick back, any more than the Boys and Skins are getting their cap space back. That was Kraft too, by the way. There’s your “karma”.

    How’s that taste?

  56. dualprime says:
    Feb 1, 2016 4:58 PM

    Panthers beat the Texans by one TD. One!
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    Broncos went to overtime against the Browns. The Browns!

    Beat them by one FG. One!

  57. Vir Publius says:
    Feb 1, 2016 2:57 PM
    Even if Peyton did use HGH, he may not even be the best QB on their roster anymore. He had very little to do with the Broncos getting to the super bowl.
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    Right, juiced up Derek Wolf, Von Miller, and Aqib Talib had a much bigger impact than juiced up Manning. Great point.

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