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Goodell reiterate PSI checks were not a “research project”

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The more the NFL says about its PSI measurements during the 2015 season, the less sense it makes.

During his annual pre-Super Bowl press conference, Commissioner Roger Goodell was asked about his recent proclamation that the league found no violations of the rules when randomly testing footballs throughout the season. So our good friend Tom Curran of CSN New England asked what is a “violation” in this setting and were any of the measurements under 12.5 PSI — a distinct possibility due to the operation of the Ideal Gas Law?

If the owners are hoping for less evasiveness from Goodell, they didn’t get it in response to the PSI question.

“A couple of things.  One, as you know, at the beginning of the season, we made changes to our protocols of how we were going to manage the footballs,” Goodell said.  “That’s how they were going to be managed from the moment they were taken into the stadium to right after the game.  We have implemented that.  As part of that — and it happens in most of our game operations areas — we conduct random checks.  We make sure that clubs understand that we will look at that type of procedure and make sure that there are no violations of that.  We did that in a very limited basis, but we don’t disclose all the specifics on that because it’s meant as a deterrent.  If you tell everybody how many times you’re checking and which games you’re checking, it’s not much of a deterrent.  It’s a deterrent when they think that game may be being checked.

“It’s also important that the data that was collected in that was not data for research.  It was collected just to see there was a violation.  Our people never found a violation.  There was never an accusation of a violation by any other club.  So, we’re comfortable that this policy, this rule, was followed by our clubs and we do this across the board in our game operations.  There are many areas of our game operations that require that type of thing.

“Second of all, we did a great deal of research, scientific analysis last year.  That was part of the whole appeal hearing.  There was Ted Wells’ report, where he went and got independent people to study this type of issue, so the intent of what we were doing was not a research project.  It was to make sure that our policies were followed, just as we do in other areas of our game operations.”

So, basically, the NFL decided not to gather real-time, in-game data regarding the operation of football air pressure during actual football games because Ted Wells and his second-hand-smoke-doesn’t-cause-cancer flunkies from Exponent already had determined that the measurements taken from footballs during halftime of the January 2015 AFC title game prove that someone from the Patriots organization had deliberately released air from the footballs before kickoff.

Experiments in a laboratory setting are fine and dandy (is anything ever dandy without also being fine?), but there’s no substitute for gathering actual field data to determine how things work in the real world. Given that the league had no idea that air pressure drops when footballs are taken into the cold and that the NFL never before has measured air pressure at halftime or at any time in any game ever played, why not conduct a research study?

Again, the NFL didn’t do it because the NFL knew that the numbers would show that the evidence harvested during the Colts-Patriots game was inconclusive at best. It’s so obvious at this point that to suggest otherwise offends the intelligence of those of even limited intelligence, like me.

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  1. cinzano08 says: Feb 5, 2016 8:59 PM

    Roger you better tell blandino that because he says otherwise. The gang that can’t shoot straight is still messing this up. Players beating women, hgh using qbs and substance abuse rampant but spending 10 million and counting on a non issue like psi is at the top of the list of action items.

  2. bigbits2 says: Feb 5, 2016 8:59 PM

    Pretty sure it started out as a mini-research project. When they didn’t get the results they wanted [with ongoing litigation], it suddenly wasn’t a research project.
    If footballs didn’t fall below 12.5 psi, the NFL would be screaming it from the highest mountain. Transparency and honesty is not something the NFL does.

  3. wrigleyivy says: Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM

    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science. The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.

  4. number4020115 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:07 PM

    Roger just answer the question, were any of the balls under 12.5? Of course they were. Of course they were.
    So give the Pats back their draft picks and 1 million dollars, and drop the Brady appeal. That’s what a man with INTEGRITY would do. But that ain’t Rog.

  5. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 5, 2016 9:10 PM

    I am the poster formerly known as TeeHeeLOLAtPatsHaters. I know my fans will be disappointed but after I heard the imbecilic drivel from this clown this afternoon, I am changing my board name until what my board name says actually happens.

    How a guy who is so clueless on just about everything. This issue, plus the appalling observation that players smashing heads on a football field and having their lives drastically altered is somehow equal to sitting on a couch… how this idiot still is the commissioner of the biggest sporting organization on the planet… is beyond me.
    😦

  6. dynastyfootballforme says: Feb 5, 2016 9:11 PM

    If the PSI numbers showed a remote chance of Patriot cheating, it would fill the airwaves. Since that’s not the case, the NFL’s silence is deafening

  7. otheirony says: Feb 5, 2016 9:14 PM

    You know, at some point these idiots should just stop. Shut up Roger et al.

    As for Pats haters, please help me. What will it take for you to realize this whole thing was bogus? What? There is no evidence!

    Are you that full of hate?
    Or, are you just that dumb?
    Which is it?

    A SOON TO BE FORMER NFL/PACKERS FAN

  8. trina16 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:16 PM

    Yeah, it’s all about INTEGRITY. Real independent research showed that no tampering occurred and the PSI measurements where within what was expected from the IGL. Only “research” that says otherwise is the one that was paid for by the NFL, just like the “Wells/Pash” report.

  9. Cunning Linguist says: Feb 5, 2016 9:18 PM

    “There was never an accusation by another club.” So basically it sounds like the only way there will be a “violation” is if there is first a complaint by another team. Secondly, it would have to be a game where the balls were tested and found to be at or above 12.5 PSI in a warm locker room before the game, and then checked at halftime and found to be less than 12.5 PSI. Or, you know, just about any cold-weather, outdoor game ever played.

  10. sportnik2 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:19 PM

    If the Pat’s picks are not reinstated, the NFL will be permanently stained by a league office that opted to compromise fair play, to gain favor with a group of infantile, jealous, owners.

    The long term effect will be that the NFL will lose its credibility and start on an inevitable path towards becoming a second rate version of the WWE.

    I look forward to watching these jealous owners freak out as their net worth, free falls due to the negligence of their boy, Goodell.

  11. jaxon51 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:22 PM

    Bingo cizanoo8- $10 million and it all circles back to this March 3rd re-appeal.
    What a joke.
    In 2007 Roger should have spent a chunk of change investigating what was found in Ernie Adams office at Gillettte Stadium rather than destroy it in the spot. Apparently the reason the evidence was destroyed was PRECISELY because what was on those tapes showed that all the other teams were doing what the Pats were accused of doing.

  12. Cunning Linguist says: Feb 5, 2016 9:24 PM

    I think the League should just pump the balls up to about 32 PSI like my car’s tires and then we’ll never have to worry about it again.

  13. youdrivemenutseagles says: Feb 5, 2016 9:27 PM

    The NFL should contact NERF and make the switch to foam footballs. As long as the teams keep their dogs away, everyone wins.

  14. the8man says: Feb 5, 2016 9:28 PM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM
    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science. The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.
    ——————————————————
    I remember when the ’85 Bears squashed my Patriots in the Super Bowl 46-10. I was a college Senior. That…was… a…rough…day. But my mother said there would be better days ahead, and she was right.

    I guess Chicago football fans may not totally agree.

    Go Patriots!

  15. logast says: Feb 5, 2016 9:36 PM

    By the way, there was a “dandy” not accompanied by a “fine and”. That was Dandy Don Meredith. *drop of the mic ensues*

  16. mother379 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:36 PM

    Sometimes it’s like they are making it up

  17. alan226 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:37 PM

    What a disgrace. Let’s call it like it is. If they did the research ( and I believe they did) and the numbers favor the Patriots, then what do you do about the forfeited draft picks and the fines?

    They are sweeping it under the rug to save face. Which by the way is too late….

  18. dynastydriven says: Feb 5, 2016 9:39 PM

    GIVE THE PICKS BACK ROGER

  19. madnova says: Feb 5, 2016 9:39 PM

    Yankee Doodles can be dandy without being fine.

  20. cross300 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:39 PM

    Its simple release the findings and let the thinking public make their determination on what happens to a football when the temperature changes. Roger can’t do that because everyone with a brain knows this is a witch hunt and the truth would hurt their case. Case closed

  21. otheirony says: Feb 5, 2016 9:41 PM

    To Goodellmustgo…….I join your cause. Goodell is as dumb as a bag of hammers and has zero…ZERO, integrity.

    We could be watching the NFL go. Down. The. Drain.

    Goodellmustgo..we need a petition.

    A SOON TO BE FIRMER NFL/PACKER FAN

  22. oiler1980 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:41 PM

    And this is the spokesman for The NFL?

    The owners should all be ashamed.

    What a bafoon.

  23. holygamoly says: Feb 5, 2016 9:43 PM

    Do you mean “…… even of those of limited intelligence, like me ? ” ?

  24. joecool16280 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:46 PM

    Jeez can you guys get off this stupid topic already? I’m no Pats fan by any means but I’m starting to feel sympathetic towards them. PSI is practically a non-issue, really. You guys take every little discrepancy and blow it up like its Watergate. So a football is a little soft or a little hard, who cares?!!!

  25. cowboysallday says: Feb 5, 2016 9:46 PM

    Come on man. You take a draft pick from a team when you know you’re wrong. It’s not right….

  26. Surf Bandits says: Feb 5, 2016 9:48 PM

    WOW! I listened to that question from Tom Curran and couldn’t believe the Fred Astaire moves Roger Goodell has.

    As a former hater, Patriot Fans, I apologize and hope that your team gets justice…Shameful what the NFL has done.

  27. tomtravis76 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:48 PM

    Why would Goodell not say last season that starting with the 15-16 season, we are going to implement new game day policies for every game in regards to the football equipment used during each game day,specifically game balls. He should have said what company will deliver the game balls to the stadium. He should have said at what time during the pre game the PSI will be tested and with what gauge, the temperature in each room will be recorded and who will be there to observe this testing. He should have have then told all fans who will be responsible for the game balls during the first half. Then should have repeated all of that for halftime, second half play and the post game , plus where the balls will be sent after the game.
    The league office should have taken responsibility for not following their rules. The league office failed the fans by not making sure every game was played with the proper equipment. The league office cheated the fans, the owners, and players by not playing with standard equipment.

    It’s a simple fix,stop trying to pretend everyone is cheating. Be a leader and fix the problem,so it is never again an issue.

  28. ebdug says: Feb 5, 2016 9:51 PM

    The last thing we need is Goodell and co. conducting a research project. The only conclusion we could draw from that is that the NFL is run by clowns.

    Let’em keep checking air pressure, it keeps them from doing more damage to the game.

  29. Surf Bandits says: Feb 5, 2016 9:51 PM

    otheirony says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:14 PM

    A SOON TO BE FORMER NFL/PACKERS FAN.

    As a Dolphins fan I understand.

    Don’t quit yet, maybe Judge Berman’s ruling is upheld in appeals court, and the owners will say enough is enough!

    At least wait until March 3rd.

    Good Luck

  30. joecool16280 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:52 PM

    Looking at everything from a legal perspective (it’s a flippin game!) just sucks the enjoyment out of the game.

    Maybe it’s just me and it’s time to find a different forum about sports. You and the HBT dude just whine over every little thing like its a legal case.

    Signing off forever. This used to be a fun site.

  31. sansbushman says: Feb 5, 2016 9:52 PM

    All balls inflated to 12.5-13.5psi at 70F indoor and then played at 50F or lower outdoor field will ALL contract to below 12.5psi.

    And majority of the outdoor games in late fall and winter are played at below 50F, therefore all these balls are BELOW NFL spec.

    That is pure physic. It is not Big Foot or Noch Ness Monster. Thermal expansion happens in everything, in air, in metal, even in diamond. The 180-years old Ideal Gas Law calculates these (negative) expansion in all known gases (hence the term Ideal Gas).

    NASA uses Ideal Gas Law to help send probes to Mars. They don’t need to send Ted Wells to Mars to validate Ideal Gas Law.

    BTW, Ideal Gas Law is taught at 11th grade in High School.

  32. pbinpb57 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:52 PM

    “We make sure that clubs understand that we will look at that type of procedure and make sure that there are no violations of that.” That that that that….lol. What a buffoon.

  33. gdanzig2013 says: Feb 5, 2016 9:54 PM

    If the PSI don’t fit….you must acquit!

  34. rjpats says: Feb 5, 2016 9:55 PM

    (is anything ever dandy without also being fine?)
    —–

    Yeah, Roger Goodell is certainly a dandy but nothing about him is fine.

  35. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Feb 5, 2016 9:56 PM

    This is a sad, sad day for ALL football fans.

  36. jklecko77hof says: Feb 5, 2016 10:00 PM

    Actually, the evidence re second hand smoke causing cancer is specious at best. If you had read any of the research, you would know this.

    The reason you can’t smoke in bars and restaurants is politics and political correctness.

  37. dwinsgames says: Feb 5, 2016 10:00 PM

    I cannot understand why the NFL went so hard after one of their golden boys and really cannot understand why they continue to embarrass themselves by continuing to play this losing hand. They must be smart people or they wouldn’t get these important jobs, right, but you see what they do with Rice, Brady, etc. and at the same time you realize that they aren’t very smart.

  38. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Feb 5, 2016 10:03 PM

    Here’s the saddest thing about this whole “deflategate” mess…There’s a kid coming out of college who’s going to get 2nd round money even though he’s a #1 pick because only 31 teams have a first draft choice…Just another way the NFL screws people over.

  39. streetyson says: Feb 5, 2016 10:03 PM

    Goodell: “There was never an accusation of a violation by any other club.”
    ————————–
    Except Aaron Rodgers admitted to just such a psi scheme (which you declined to react to), and you did nothing about the Colts tampering with a Pats’ ball, and you wrote to two other clubs about ball violations. But apart from that, never.

  40. 315judman says: Feb 5, 2016 10:06 PM

    These cheating scandals will shadow the pats franchise, brady, Belichick, et. al. forever. Period.

  41. rootpain says: Feb 5, 2016 10:07 PM

    Understand otheirony sentiment. The whole deflate gate issue has so soured me on the NFL, its hard to find pleasure in any of it anymore. Sickening and sad at the same time, but especially frustrating that nothing can be done about it.

  42. scw1993 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:09 PM

    I agree with TeeHee aka GoodellMustGo.

    It’s time for all football fans to put aside petty jealousies, frustrations, rivalries, and chirping to come together and try to get rid of this guy. He makes an obscene amount of money each year, and if you don’t think that YOUR team could be in his crosshairs next, then you are sadly mistaken.

    The owners have to be hit hard in their wallets to see change. They are businessmen first, and owners, second. Nobody even knows what a catch is…it’s pathetic. I’m losing interest fast.

  43. babygaga19 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:11 PM

    Fan bOY aRMY: Come on now, we all HATE GOODELL and BSPN but we, admit it now, couldn’t live without them! Yes?

  44. patsfantransplant says: Feb 5, 2016 10:13 PM

    What a shocker!…Not. R.G. speaks of integrity left and right. If he really wants this for the NFL and himself as well as regaining some smidgen of respect, he should be 100% transparent with PSI results that we all know that were collected throughout the 2015 season. When these numbers show that Ideal Gas Law (and that there were some faulty football bladders) indeed is true in and PSI fell below approved ranges during the study, he should admit it, drop the TB case, and return the 1 million and two draft picks. Of course this will never happen as he is the Captain Bligh of the NFL

    Mr Christian!!!

  45. luckyforus says: Feb 5, 2016 10:13 PM

    Why are you Cheatriot homers morons.

    You can’t replicate the science. The footballs weren’t all in the same location or environment. Some were being used, some in towels yo keep them dry and some still in the bag. The temp and wetness which affect the psi is different.

    Brady is guilty based upon all the suspicious
    evidence. There’s yoo much evidence to ignore. Many criminals have been convicted on circumstantial evidence.

    Quit ignoring the facts and making up lies.

    Brady is a cheater.

  46. juice08 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:14 PM

    There’s a game this Sunday, you know.

  47. skooter519 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:24 PM

    Your a liar Roger. If the results worked in your framegate case, you would have posted them on every website.

  48. zigthepatsfan says: Feb 5, 2016 10:26 PM

    It’s so obvious at this point that to suggest otherwise offends the intelligence of those of even limited intelligence, like me.

    true but as we both know, some still won’t get it. Maybe if you have some crayons you could try one last time to convince them

  49. lscottman3 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:37 PM

    But the texts

    But the phone

    I just read headlines

    Signed
    Colts
    Steelers
    Ravens
    Dolphins

    Fans

  50. Unchained81 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:39 PM

    Can even the biggest Patriot haters be man enough to admit the PSI saga was the most ridiculous, agenda-driven nonsense ever? The NFL has NEVER, EVER, EVER cared one bit about the scrutiny of the football……..even THIS YEAR following deflategate! I mean come on, what an absolute farce of a controversy! And what did Brady do AFTER deflategate? Only put himself in the MVP discussion through 11 weeks until injuries ravaged his offense. Seriously, Goodell is no different than Vince McMahon.

  51. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:40 PM

    Given the temperature at the Vikings-Seahawks game, Goodell has 2 options:

    1. Say that the sciencemail is wrong
    2. Say that the NFL was wrong

    It’s a lose-lose situation. That is why he evaded answering the question. There isn’t another answer besides those two.

  52. BroncosCheatedTheSalaryCap says: Feb 5, 2016 10:40 PM

    Roger screwed the Saints with that ridiculous bounty crap. He screwed the Cowboys and Redskins over the supposed salary cap violation. Then he screwed the Patriots. This guy is the worst. No morals…almost as bad as HGH Manning.

  53. goodellsucks43 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:43 PM

    Roger, do me a favor. Why don’t you stop worrying about PSI in the stupid footballs and start worrying about the fact that from what I’ve seen from the refs this year, I think about half of them are point shaving.

  54. ikeclanton says: Feb 5, 2016 10:46 PM

    wrigleyivy says, “the shady Pats were caught.”

    Where? How?

    Just because you want desperately for that to be true will never make it so. I’m sorry that you and your ilk just don’t get that. Just because you’re sick and tired of the Patriots success over the years isn’t a good enough reason to find them guilty of anything.

    Let it go.

  55. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Feb 5, 2016 10:48 PM

    Goodell has already stated that none of the balks were below spec. This refutes the ideal gas “law” which is not a scientific axiom but merely a wild guess. If the IGL was legit, at least one ball would have been below 12.5 PSI. None were.

  56. quizlingclinic says: Feb 5, 2016 10:48 PM

    He answered by not answering.

  57. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Feb 5, 2016 10:51 PM

    Dear Roger,

    The NFL is an organization with bylaws. Such legal structures should be important to you as they maintain the structural “integrity” of the shield. Within those bylaws it expressly states that the commissioner must be an individual with integrity beyond reproach. Which means no lying and deceiving. Which means you are in violation of the rules you hold dear. Which means you are unfit to wield the commissioners’ authority. You can’t pick and choose which rules are going to be convenient for you to follow.

  58. usa98j30t4 says: Feb 5, 2016 10:58 PM

    Hey Ginger Hammer,

    How hard is it? Take measurements during games and see if the gas law is legit (which I am sure it is) which is why the NFL is not releasing any findings.

    This entire thing has been a sham from the beginning. I am still pissed that we had to pay the million and worse, the two draft picks.

    What is the Ginger Hammer and his court of jesters going to come up with next to frame the Patriots with?

    #imbecileincharge
    #kensilsucks
    #mortyouaresicksoiwontbashyou
    #tedwellsisathief

  59. p6one6 says: Feb 5, 2016 11:00 PM

    What the league and other owners wanted was to try to end the Patriots dominance in a league designed for parity. It started with the overblown accusations of cheating (yes, the Patriots violated the rules by not having their cameraman in the right area) and the whole PSI issue was a” We got you now!” issue with accusers who probably could have spent a little more time in the classroom. The Patriots built their team with the mindset of outsmarting opponents by hiring smart people. This maximizes the value of players for the natural talent they have. This in turn allows them to do more with less, which helps reduce the league’s attempts at parity through the draft and free agency. The league and owners want parity because the more teams that have a chance to win it all means more revenue for them. They want a league where they throw talent on the field and coaches have limited impact on the game and ultimately are interchangeable. With everything we’ve seen, would you be surprised that the league’s ultimate goal is more money?

    So, should the Patriots expect the draft pick and cash back? No, because as long as it doesn’t get too much attention and Goodell can deflect the questions about it, it gets the rest of the league what they want, a way to hurt the team that doesn’t have bad seasons (league standards wise).

  60. toybkshr says: Feb 5, 2016 11:11 PM

    Is it just me (can’t be), but after the last 2-3 yrs it is
    blatantly obvious R Goodell “just doesn’t get it”

  61. steelbreeze676 says: Feb 5, 2016 11:17 PM

    This guy is renting his reputation and family name out to a bunch of owners who don’t care if he’s flushed down the toilet. The problem is the NFL ownership.

  62. rgorr44 says: Feb 5, 2016 11:19 PM

    Roger is insulting everyone’s intelligence with his witless dribble. Only an idiot is buying this nonsense at this point (right factsman66, jchipwood and others? yup they’re out there) How can anyone who’s been paying attention respect this clown?

  63. sdchicken says: Feb 5, 2016 11:25 PM

    All they had to do was perform psi checks before, at half time, and after games, then disclose what they found for the season. Pretty simple…but they didn’t because it didn’t fit their weakly planned agenda.

  64. cwwgk says: Feb 5, 2016 11:40 PM

    When it’s all said and done, the NFL is one of the most successful enterprises of all time. And has been the king of the sports market in the U.S. for over a generation now. But continue with the criticisms of how the multi-billion dollar business is operated.

  65. scottbrowning2 says: Feb 5, 2016 11:48 PM

    I see good ‘ol “Perjury” Goodell is still claiming the Wells’ investigation was independent…

  66. 12brichandfamous says: Feb 6, 2016 12:01 AM

    Not impressed with the scientific intelligence of the NFL. they think they can spin the Laws of Physics. wrong!!

  67. futures44 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:02 AM

    Integrity. Sending Private Investigators to intimidate a person, who blew the whistle on Peyton. That’s ok. The NFL never before cared about PSI levels, until framegate.

  68. matt2131 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:21 AM

    otheirony says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:14 PM

    Are you [Pats haters] that full of hate?
    Or, are you just that dumb?
    Which is it?
    ———–

    Can I go with both options?

  69. musicfootballprogramming says: Feb 6, 2016 12:27 AM

    Fans of all teams should be concerned with the danger Goodell poses to this league. He is an incompetent leader with a giant ego who does not have the qualifications for the office of commissioner. Kraft is as much or more to blame for this as anyone, and I’m sure he regrets it now.

    Saints fans already knew this, Dolphins fans got a whiff, everyone saw it with the Ray Rice fiasco, and the Patriots see it now. How many more fan bases need to be brutalized before you come around?

  70. rogerdw66 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:30 AM

    Give it a break you blatant Brady apologist. Do your own research and prove the Wells research wrong or just SHUDDUP!

  71. mother379 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:37 AM

    Sometimes it’s like they are making it up

  72. megnailsit says: Feb 6, 2016 12:41 AM

    Appreciate you keeping the story relevant, Mike, but, where is the Peyton actively intimidating a witness, while rendering him silent, storyline?

  73. mrjdon says: Feb 6, 2016 12:58 AM

    I am a HUGE football fan, but I am starting to become fatigued with the stench of lies and PR cover ups. I want to watch a sport where I can truly trust that the integrity and fairness of the game is intact.

    Which other sport has this much drama and this much absence of credibility and integrity in the league office???? The whole thing has become a classless sham under Goodell and it’s all becoming more and more rotten right at it’s very core.

    I can’t even stomach hearing Goodell open his mouth anymore. He is truly a compulsive liar.

    #GoodellMustGo!

  74. doublezero74 says: Feb 6, 2016 1:03 AM

    I love this sport. I hate what it has become. The NFL HQ is concerned with marketing dollars and little else these days. Every time goodell says the word “integrity” I puke in my mouth little bit

  75. roninscribe says: Feb 6, 2016 1:16 AM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM

    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science. The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.

    ———————
    “The science may say otherwise but nobody with ‘intelligence’ is satisfied with the science.”

    That’s an incredible statement. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, or just a complete blathering idiot.

  76. greenmtnboy31 says: Feb 6, 2016 1:16 AM

    It is mind boggling to think that someone this clueless could ascend to a position like this.

  77. roninscribe says: Feb 6, 2016 1:18 AM

    Why does this horrifically incompetent creep still have a job? What are the NFL owners waiting for?

  78. kenmasters34 says: Feb 6, 2016 1:30 AM

    Did anyone watch the movie Concussion? What was the premise…. That the NFL knew that concussions could lead to long term brain damage?

    I find it hard to believe that the NFL knew anything about CTE… they didn’t even know that there was a link between temperature and the PSI in a football.

  79. 1smoothoperator says: Feb 6, 2016 1:31 AM

    Goodell isn’t the only one that dislikes the Patriots, that’s why this witch hunt is still making its way thru the courts. The owners don’t like the fact that the Pats are so successful that they just want to punish them. Nice way to run an organization by the way. If the entire sports world can’t convince the NFL that footballs lose air pressure in cold rainy weather then they are hopeless. Once Brady wins his next court case, we won’t hear about PSI for another 50 years.

  80. ivanpavlov0000 says: Feb 6, 2016 1:41 AM

    Just read today that millennials trust the NFL less than any other pro-sports league. The double-talk and bs from Roger Goodell is probably one of the biggest reasons why they feel that way.

    The owners need to figure out that Goodell is slowly killing their business. Without millennials, the NFL loses part of its primary demographic every time a baby boomer dies. Then again … Goodell is just doing what the owners want.

    Mark Cuban was right.

  81. stuckonwords says: Feb 6, 2016 1:54 AM

    In-game, on-field testing of the balls is the final lab test. Testing anywhere else was preliminary testing, but the final analysis can only come from real games on real fields in real elements…the ultimate lab.

    If you want truth, you do this. If you want to hide the truth, you don’t do this. It’s that simple.

  82. boobylayne says: Feb 6, 2016 2:21 AM

    Research project? Sounds like something one would do in grade school. A game of marbles would be more appropriate for the NFL.

  83. kelsey59 says: Feb 6, 2016 2:23 AM

    The only people who think the Pat’s were not cheating are Pat’s fans.

  84. cranespy says: Feb 6, 2016 2:55 AM

    I am amazed at how quickly the NFL corrects certain things and totally ignores others. Talk about selective enforcement … Roger and his minions have allowed the most popular sport in America to go to ruin by their turning a blind eye to “head injuries”, “the abuse of females” and an archaic rule that requires teams to interview one minority candidate. How can the “integrity of the game” be protected without first and foremost running the league office WITH integrity.

    Perhaps if Roger would take care of that issue first, he may find that it’s far easier to expect that teams operate with integrity as well. Cmon owners do the right thing “call the question!”

  85. smasonsmith says: Feb 6, 2016 2:56 AM

    The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.
    ===
    For the slow: the balls were exactly at the pressure they should have been given the initial and half-time conditions.

    So what was there to catch?

  86. bleck5 says: Feb 6, 2016 2:59 AM

    Every day they make themselves look worse.

  87. joseferreira1967 says: Feb 6, 2016 3:05 AM

    Whilst this little man is trying is best to not compromise the NFL’s case against Tom Brady and the NLFPA he lacks the intelligence to understand a very basic aspect.

    If altering the air pressure in footballs is such an offense to the NFL’s rules and shield that it warrants a four game suspension for one player (for being generally aware!!!), a one million dollar fine, a first round pick and a fourth round pick taken away from the team whose management is completely exonerated by the report the NFL themselves produced, one would expect the NFL would have taken the matter seriously and take the opportunity to prove beyond any doubt the justice of those pusnishments.

    Failing to do so weakens the NFL’s case, which is virtually non-existent, even more!!!

    You put a little man running the show, you’re gone get little man responses…no matter how much money you’re making.

    History will put perspective on this era of the NFL. I hope it doesn’t paint it as the start of the demise of the NFL and I truly believe there will be a huge bill to pay for the lack of Integriry of Roger Goodell.

  88. realpatsfan says: Feb 6, 2016 4:57 AM

    Hey Roger if the balls did not lose air pressure you and you’re mob would be plastering it all over the news.
    You are quite a piece of work.

  89. frappe123 says: Feb 6, 2016 5:29 AM

    What the NFL has done is criminal. Clearly their entire case against Brady and the Patriots was conceived and manufactured behind closed doors, and presumably with the blessings (and urgings) of several NFL owners who were apparently tired of seeing the Patriots at or near the top in each of the past 15 years of the Brady/Belichick era.

    And if I hear Goodell claim that his actions were an effort to “protect the integrity of the game”, I’ll barf in his face. The man is a total fraud and a liar and he should be fired to “protect the integrity of the game” because, apparently, he has no principles and is willing to say and do anything that the owners would like him to say and do.

    The Patriots should demand an apology and have their draft picks restored…In fact, the only teams who should be fined and penalized 1st and 4th round draft picks are those teams that conspired with Goodell to destroy the Patriots reputation and image.

  90. gimmeabruschi says: Feb 6, 2016 5:41 AM

    “second-hand-smoke-doesn’t-cause-cancer flunkies from Exponent”

    What do you call a shady lawyer plus a shady science outfit plus a lack of follow up with a truly independent compilation of game ball pressures?

    Goodell’s twisted warped phony idea of “integrity”.

    This league is rotten to the core.

  91. ctownsend2012 says: Feb 6, 2016 6:10 AM

    Kraft needs to fight for his picks back. It is so obvious to anyone with a brain that the data from the “spot checks” exonerates the Patriots.

  92. ampats says: Feb 6, 2016 6:21 AM

    Is part of the new protocol in handling gameday footballs include leaving them at the hotel for a playoff game and having the Massachusetts State Police escort the balls back to the stadium?

  93. sammyias says: Feb 6, 2016 6:38 AM

    “No violations”

    I understand what that means.

  94. Mo Pro Babble says: Feb 6, 2016 6:58 AM

    The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science

    this bears repeating

    The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science

    That’s what we’re up against Pats fans. Don’t sail off the edge of the map haters, there be monsters and worse, Patriots! Next step for Hateroids, debunking that Newton guy and all his fancy science gravity stuff.

  95. sandmanz66 says: Feb 6, 2016 7:01 AM

    ”It’s so obvious at this point that to suggest otherwise offends the intelligence of those of even limited intelligence, like me.”

    It’s ok Mike. There is a wide sample of those with limited intelligence that can’t accept the actual science and facts of this case. Most of those morons have been posting on here for well over a year about this subject. Never let the facts get in the way of good old fashioned trolling.

  96. Mo Pro Babble says: Feb 6, 2016 7:04 AM

    of course it was not data collection. they already knew this whole affair was a lie. this was the dog & pony show to make people think they were doing the diligence.

    every new bit if information we get solidifies the notion that this commissioner is a liar protecting other jealous liars.

  97. johnheisman says: Feb 6, 2016 7:20 AM

    GoodellMustGo says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:10 PM

    How a guy who is so clueless on just about everything. This issue, plus the appalling observation that players smashing heads on a football field and having their lives drastically altered is somehow equal to sitting on a couch… how this idiot still is the commissioner of the biggest sporting organization on the planet… is beyond me.
    😦
    =========================================
    $44 million a year sure doesn’t pay for what it used to.

    Like many of us here I am a big football fan and also a big fan of other sports. I can’t ever remember a commissioner doing so many things and so many different things that reflect so poorly on the office.

  98. tonebones says: Feb 6, 2016 7:24 AM

    The NFL got it right. Tom Brady and the Patriots are sitting at home instead of playing the super bowl because the NFL took away their best weapon. Cheating.

  99. johnheisman says: Feb 6, 2016 7:26 AM

    I don’t understand why another owner doesn’t speak up for once, or do it privately, and criticize what is going on. I think this mess reflects poorly on the other owners as well but there is probably some policy in place that makes the other owners stand together and side with the commissioner.

  100. j0esixpack says: Feb 6, 2016 7:28 AM

    Let’s all stop pretending that Goodell and the owners are still ignorant that the cold and rain alone explain why the PSI of BOTH the Colts and Patriots footballs were under 12.5

    Perhaps that was true this time last year – which is shameful enough

    But now Goodell and the owners who pull his strings KINOW that Brady did nothing and they are STILL trying to frame him

    Roger Goodell’s NFL – where the Commissioner is the biggest cheater of all

  101. patsfan says: Feb 6, 2016 7:28 AM

    Maybe he is just continuing the PR campaign against Brady to cover up for the Monday night football game in Mexico City or the fact that they have so little faith in the Ref’s being able to control a game and eject players as the situation dictates that he wants to make a new rule.

    At least he admitted that the pro bowl is circling the drain.

  102. jag1959 says: Feb 6, 2016 7:30 AM

    Can’t say he didn’t learn from his politician father. If you listened to the entire response he spoke for 5-7 minutes and basically said nothing he hadn’t already said

  103. whywerule says: Feb 6, 2016 7:39 AM

    Whatever those PSI numbers are, they must so conclusively prove what everyone already knew is fact, that the Pats equipment guys and Tom Brady were not involved in any football deflation, that even Goodell, Kensil, Vincent and Pash, who are all experts at spinning a web of lies, are unable to lie their way out of the Patriots are innocent fact.

  104. joker65 says: Feb 6, 2016 7:44 AM

    The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science.

    ____

    This sums up the haters position entirely. Pretty pathetic.

  105. pointtwopsiistheissue says: Feb 6, 2016 7:53 AM

    As Mr Kraft said from the very beginning of framegate, it was never about finding the truth, rather it was about proving the NFL right.
    Physics proves there was no tampering!

  106. iamapatsfan says: Feb 6, 2016 7:59 AM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM
    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science.

    —–

    OMG, that is hilarious. I am literally laughing my ass off…

    “The science may say otherwise but nobody with ‘intelligence’ is satisfied with the science.”

    LOLOLOLOL… The stupidity is real. Ahahahaha, you made my day man, thanks.

    I can’t believe you actually wrote that and believe you have intelligence.

    That’s so awesome. hahaha!

    “Nobody with intelligence is satisfied with the science.”

    -wrigleyivy 2016

    You heard it here first folks. People with intelligence are not satisfied by science…. lol

  107. ts1960 says: Feb 6, 2016 8:08 AM

    But we will sit and watch the spectacle tomorrow, the endless corporate commercials spewing cute puppies and other nonsense to convince us that only their “brands” are your choice. You know the country has lost it when a show is dedicated to the commercials aired during the SB. All the while the military will be interspersed and glorified to ad nauseam.

    Football used to be something we played in the backyard or at school and had fun doing it; and we didn’t care if we won or lost. The games we watched back in the day were just that, games. Most of us didn’t’ go into seasonal depression if “our team” blew the big game.

    Now it seems it’s become life or death for some while others suffer from PTSD if a team, which happens to reside in their locale, hosting players, most of which are from somewhere else, doesn’t “win it all, at all costs.” And it’s run by some of the most science addled, and not just psi, ignorant people on the planet. The no fun league indeed.

  108. grogan537 says: Feb 6, 2016 8:09 AM

    This is Tom Curran’s description of Roger Goodell answering the PSI question:

    He didn’t so much answer as he did orally ejaculate syllables for a prescribed length of time before he felt safe to go on to a stuttering query about whether the Pro Bowl will ever be played in Austria.

  109. shlort says: Feb 6, 2016 8:19 AM

    Goodell’s lack of willingness to discuss the issue proves the psi “scandal” was a witch hunt.

  110. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 6, 2016 8:39 AM

    Rogers version of “science” is the evidence that only he has that football players banging their head at high speed is as risky as sitting on your couch.
    😀

    “Yes you can play in the NFL someday if you practice hard enough”
    –Roger Goodell to a 10 year old girl

    #FireTheLiar
    #FireThisClownPlease

  111. 6ball says: Feb 6, 2016 8:42 AM

    .
    Steelers owner, Art Rooney has already stated that should the league lose their case in appellate court, they will take the case to the US Supreme Court.
    .

  112. bushwoodcc says: Feb 6, 2016 8:45 AM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM

    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science. The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.
    _________________________________

    I know. All those physicists from Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and other prestigious universities telling us that science shows the deflation was atmospheric aren’t intelligent.

    Only those holding onto incorrect data, manipulated evidence and the lies that Goodel has been caught in are intelligent.

  113. bobsnygiants says: Feb 6, 2016 8:50 AM

    you forgot third, Your fired

  114. bushwoodcc says: Feb 6, 2016 8:54 AM

    johnheisman says:
    Feb 6, 2016 7:26 AM

    I don’t understand why another owner doesn’t speak up for once, or do it privately, and criticize what is going on. I think this mess reflects poorly on the other owners as well but there is probably some policy in place that makes the other owners stand together and side with the commissioner.
    __________________________________

    Because they all know that Goodel is actually protecting the shield. He is taking the heat and looking like a fool for still pursusing this. In the meantime everyone has stopped asking about Kensil and Grigson’s role in trying to frame the Pats.

    If it got found out that this whole thing was a botched scheme from those two in order to get back at Belichick that would do incredible damage to the shield.

    When you look at all the screw ups from the league, and how even a year later the league can’t get a story straight about the PSI data they’ve collected this is the only thing remaining that makes sense.

    It’s actually worked quite well. A year later most people realize nothing happened, but at the same time they’ve stopped asking about Kensil and Grigson.

  115. rjc0327 says: Feb 6, 2016 8:54 AM

    If I was a reporter, my question to Goodell regarding the “spot checks” that were to be in a report the day after the respective game, would be,

    “Are you sharing this information with all of the owners of the Teams?”

    That’s the question I would have liked to know the answer to.

  116. matchframebill says: Feb 6, 2016 9:02 AM

    Yes Mr. Goodell, there were no “violations” this year, even though you won’t tell us exactly what a “violation” is. And Mr. Brady threw more touchdown passes than any other QB in the league this year.

    So I guess this tells us that his “violations” of last year really had such a significant impact on the integrity of the game that they warranted the highest penalty ever imposed on a franchise. A franchise by the way, that your own Wells report stated “…showed no direct or indirect evidence that the Patriots organization or its management were aware of or contributed to”.

  117. zigthepatsfan says: Feb 6, 2016 9:05 AM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 5, 2016 10:48 PM
    Goodell has already stated that none of the balks were below spec. This refutes the ideal gas “law” which is not a scientific axiom but merely a wild guess. If the IGL was legit, at least one ball would have been below 12.5 PSI. None were.
    ———-
    No what he said was there were “no violations” of the rule about tampering with the footballs. He went out of his way to NOT say what you think he said. He just worded in a way that people like you would not understand what he meant.That’s what he does…if not it’s an outright lie it’s just double talk.

  118. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 6, 2016 9:12 AM

    It’s appalling what has happened to the perception of the NFL and its teams under this commissioner.

    We all used to appreciate great teams, great players and great football.
    Now…we all have been conditioned to think they couldn’t be great they must be cheating or doing something shady. Fans. Media. The tin hat SI article about the Patriots and the parking lot video screen was a doozy. Even NFL coaches have bought into it. Coaches whine after the game more than I have ever remembered happening. What a mess. And this is a failure of leadership at the top of the league.

    Roger can arf and clap about integrity all he wants…this perception has done far more damage to integrity of the game than even if a camera catches Tom Brady taking a needle to a football himself and then flipping the bird to the camera and laughing.

    Fixing it requires a change at the top.

    #FireGoodell
    #BringTagsBack

  119. rportkid says: Feb 6, 2016 9:19 AM

    “A SOON TO BE FORMER NFL/PACKERS FAN.”

    I certainly understand Pal…and I’m with you. I’ve been an avid football fan since the early 1960’s…loved both NFL and college football. This commissioner is a serial liar and incompetent buffoon. The way he and his dishonest clowns have mismanaged NFL issues over the past few years is disgusting. Concussions, domestic violence, PED abuse, PSI debacle, incompetent officiating, etc etc (and many other issues we don’t even know about yet). And what responses do we get from this imbecile? Lies and lip service.

    From: A NOW FORMER NFL FAN. I’ll probably still watch some college games at least for a while.

  120. smithdp says: Feb 6, 2016 9:21 AM

    I see no reason to drag the Patriots into this discussion. I think we ALL supported them in their effort to win their first legitimate Super Bowl this year.

  121. TheDPR says: Feb 6, 2016 9:32 AM

    Did someone actually say that the Ideal Gas Law isn’t a scientific law but a guess?
    That has to be a satirical comment, right? Are haters that ignorant?

  122. patsfanwaiting says: Feb 6, 2016 9:36 AM

    There are two sides to this. One side hurts Brady and the Patriots with text messages. The other side, the science says Brady and the Patriots didn’t do anything wrong ( look haters, that one ball a full 2 psi below was the one the Colts tested against league rules). Now add in the fact Goodell and his staff edited the wells report, you can pretty much remove any “evidence” in the text messages because they could of doctored the document to say what they want. If that isn’t fishy or doesn’t give your conscience a twitch than you just have hate in your heart, and you need help.

  123. plum54 says: Feb 6, 2016 9:37 AM

    Mr Kraft was correct when he said it was never about the finding the truth , but making sure the NFL was right.

  124. limakey says: Feb 6, 2016 9:47 AM

    Fact, Brady gamed a system that he knew like the back of his hand and then claimed he did not know the system.
    Fact Brady has lied more than anybody in this mess.
    Fact the NFL did the science and backed it up. Brady challenged the science in his appeal and got his lunch handed to him.
    Fact, The Wells Report did not base their findings only on the PSI measurements. It was also based on texts and interviews with Brady, JM and JJ.
    Fact, TB, JM and JJ do not have one iota of credibility.
    FACT – TOM BRADY IS A LIAR AND A CHEATER!!!!!!!

  125. mmack66 says: Feb 6, 2016 9:50 AM

    p6one6 says:
    Feb 5, 2016 11:00 PM

    What the league and other owners wanted was to try to end the Patriots dominance in a league designed for parity.
    —————————–

    I don’t know who designed it, but they have failed on a massive scale.

  126. BobbyHanks63 says: Feb 6, 2016 9:58 AM

    I have a NFL football at home but you can do it with any football. Check the PSI in your warm home take it out when the weather is cold, or colder and wet. Check the drop in PSI and record your findings over an extended period of time, lets say about 16 games worth of testing.

    Even a small percentage of ProFootBallTalk posters would be a very large number. Send those finding to the NFL headquarters and also to a couple of friends or your local fire station just to have someone else verify that you did the tests. Ask Mike Florio to post those results and then no matter what ass hat Goodell says or doesn’t say we will have the proof. Screw Commissioner Goodell and his pathetic claim about trying to keep integrity in the game. In the end we will have the truth whether he can ever come to admitting he is a duplicitous lying bastard who makes real fans hate the NFL leadership. Lesson learned don’t put the children of Senators in the commissioner’s seat. They act just like the rest of Congress who are 90% liars.

  127. Blindsquirrelsfindnuts says: Feb 6, 2016 10:07 AM

    says:
    Feb 6, 2016 12:30 AM
    Give it a break you blatant Brady apologist. Do your own research and prove the Wells research wrong or just SHUDDUP!

    2 33
    Report comment
    ———————-

    Or he could just take the word of countless actual scientists?

    ” the science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science” This guy is awesome. How you’ve made it this far in life is truly an accomplishment.

  128. wouldabeenthere says: Feb 6, 2016 10:10 AM

    Roger has already told you the NFL’s goal is to double it’s current profit by 2027. To do that they need us increasing our focus on the league. The more we hate, the more we focus. Doesn’t matter who we hate today, there will be another tomorrow and the hated will keep arising. Welcome to WWE.

  129. maverick2560 says: Feb 6, 2016 10:16 AM

    The owners want a more relaxed candid Goodell. Instead Goodell continues to hold his press conferences in the style of a politician running for office. Half truths, shading of facts and paranoia continues to be the face of the NFL. Goodell has done a fine job on the finances.
    When he lobbied to replace Tagliabue he relied upon the obvious inequity in bargaining power between ownership and the players. He moved quickly to gain a new CBA . That was a layup.
    Give up the discipline appeals to an independent arbitrator and negotiate a clear discipline policy with the NFLPA . Your credibility will significantly improve.

  130. darkneptune73 says: Feb 6, 2016 10:25 AM

    Roger Goodell – forever an idiot and a moron.

  131. FoozieGrooler says: Feb 6, 2016 10:50 AM

    dynastyfootballforme says:
    “..If the PSI numbers showed a remote chance of Patriot cheating, it would fill the airwaves. Since that’s not the case, the NFL’s silence is deafening…”

    Simple. He’s saving it for the hearing.

  132. beefsbrother says: Feb 6, 2016 10:51 AM

    I am heartened to see more people finally understanding that the NFL is no longer a league worth supporting. I was like you – a longtime season ticket holder, a draft fanatic and someone that would set aside a full day of every week for the sport I loved.

    Goodell has killed that, or at least he is the face of what killed it. When you have people that deny a scientific LAW, not a crackpot theory, to further an agenda to discredit its marquee franchise, I’m out. You want to feed me a sh*t sandwich and I take a bite out of good faith, shame on me. But I won’t take another.

    Just hearing the word ‘integrity’ in any association with the NFL, unless it’s preceded by the words “lack of”, is laughable.

  133. factman66 says: Feb 6, 2016 10:55 AM

    Patriots fans,
    You sound like a child in a toy store throwing a fit because your parents wouldn’t buy you the toy you demanded. Seriously, why do you think that the nfl should appease you? You’re no more important than any other team or fanbase and the sooner you realize this the better. Goodell, the league office, and the rest of the league don’t owe you anything.

  134. letmefeelyourlove says: Feb 6, 2016 11:02 AM

    luckyforus says:
    Feb 5, 2016 10:13 PM

    Why are you Cheatriot homers morons.

    You can’t replicate the science. The footballs weren’t all in the same location or environment. Some were being used, some in towels yo keep them dry and some still in the bag. The temp and wetness which affect the psi is different
    ____________________________________

    Many of those convinced that the Patriots were cheating by deflating footballs have pointed to the fact that the measured psi of the AFCCG games balls varied widely. You just explained the why and how of those variations … in fact, I couldn’t have done it any better.

    Who’s the moron, Patriots’ fans or the person who calls the Patriots cheaters and tries to prove it by citing evidence that actually exonerates them?

  135. solo681 says: Feb 6, 2016 11:15 AM

    5 Points to Ponder about NFL Integrity or the Lack Thereof:

    1.) Tom Brady took OATH to Tell the Truth

    Goodel REFUSED to take Oath to Tell the Truth.

    2.) Judge Berman asked NFL Attorney Pash : “What EVIDENCE do you have against Brady”

    Pash answered : “NONE Your Honor.

    3.) SCIENTIFIC FACT disproves that there was man-made intentional deflation of the footballs

    NFL answered with = We do not understand or know how cold weather deflates football psi. We NEVER did any testing = EVER.

    4.) The NFL said it was about ‘INTEGRITY of the Game’

    INTEGRITY means you value Truth, Facts and Moral Uprightness as the highest level of communication and leadership requirements.

    Yet Goodel LIED on National TV and has not stopped LYING.

    5.) Goodel does not believe it is necessary to investigate Peyton Manning or to offer support in any investigation into Peyton’s use of HGH.

    Yet Goodel told Judge Berman he believed the seriousness of 0.5 PSI of air was equivalent to PED use by Brady.

  136. factman66 says: Feb 6, 2016 11:15 AM

    “Who’s the moron, Patriots’ fans or the person who calls the Patriots cheaters and tries to prove it by citing evidence that actually exonerates them?”

    The morons are the people claiming this would exonerate the Patriots. In order for that to happen you have to ignore a mountain of circumstantial evidence. The numbers wouldn’t exonerate anyone unless there was no circumstantial evidence, but there is and there is a lot.

  137. canadapackers says: Feb 6, 2016 11:33 AM

    Rumor has it that the New York Yankees are using a heavy baseball when they are pitching and lighter ones when they are batting. The New York Islanders are using a lighter puck when they are shooting in shoot out than the other team. What other sport doesnt control totally the main instrument in their game and then blames one team or another for fiddling with the stuff. Goodell needs to smarten up and leave this alone. Give the Pats back their money and picks and let sleeping dogs lie.

  138. tylawspick6 says: Feb 6, 2016 11:40 AM

    Our country is in real trouble. We have very stupid people clicking on headlines on web pages while taking a dump at work, thinking they know things.

    Very scary times.

    Imagine if Josef Goebbels was alive right now and he had access to framing things on the internet?

    My goodness.

    Anyone believing Goodell at this point, needs to not vote or procreate.

    Thank you.

    – American Taxpayers

  139. weepingjebus says: Feb 6, 2016 11:44 AM

    I regularly use a Roger Goodell as a case study for my kids to learn about ethics, reason, and the importance of having a 9th grade education. Not even kidding.

  140. wolverineinnc says: Feb 6, 2016 11:45 AM

    Just shut up, Roger, you useless puppet! What a sorry excuse for a “commissioner!”

  141. truthprofessor says: Feb 6, 2016 11:48 AM

    A year ago, smart people understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    6 months ago, people with working brains understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    3 months ago, even semi-morons understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    Now? There’s only the Colts, Jets, and Ravens fans who are left, hopelessly clueless, to bring the hate

  142. switchwitch59 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:03 PM

    Over the past year I’ve seen a lot of people claim that the Patriots success is suspicious because they’ve made the playoffs in 13 of Brady’s 14 years as a starter, 13 of 15 years since Brady became the starter, and 13 of 16 years since Brady was drafted. But nobody mentions a QB with a playoff history of 15 of 17 years as a starter and 15 of 18 years since he was drafted. Can you guess who player 2 is? For those who can’t answer that question without a hint, he’ll be playing on Sunday. That’s right, Peyton Manning. Why is 13 of 14 suspicious but apparently 15 of 17 is not?

  143. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:06 PM

    It is very simple…

    Trolling Haters – State your PROOF of all your accusations.

    Failure to do so means Patriots, TB12 and Patriot Fans win again!

    We are waiting and begging for one Troll to step up and earn some credibility for the rest of the Trolling Haters…

    The problem is, any “fact” you state has most likely already been PROVEN to be false and is probably right in the Wells report. (It is obvious that few of you have even read it).

    You keep throwing the weak accusations up here and we’ll keep smacking you down with Wells report findings.

    Remember PROOF, not your opinion, not ESPN’s or NFL’s opinions or lies…

    We’re waiting….

  144. patsfan says: Feb 6, 2016 12:09 PM

    Just another day in Goodell’s house of waffles:

    “Good Morning, Mr. Goodell.”

    “Just because I am responding, I am not asserting that my name is actually Mr. Goodell, however, I am aware that it is likely morning in some part of the world, and some cultures use “Good morning” as a greeting. If indeed you come from one of those cultures and are using it in that context, convention dictates that I respond to you in a similar fashion. Good Morning.”

  145. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:10 PM

    factman66 says:
    Feb 6, 2016 10:55 AM
    Patriots fans,
    You sound like a child in a toy store throwing a fit because your parents wouldn’t buy you the toy you demanded. Seriously, why do you think that the nfl should appease you? You’re no more important than any other team or fanbase and the sooner you realize this the better. Goodell, the league office, and the rest of the league don’t owe you anything.
    _________________________________________

    Says the guy crying about the Patriots on every message board on PFT. Take your own advice Troll..Run along. We’ve smacked you around long enough. You bore us!

  146. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:13 PM

    FoozieGrooler says:
    Feb 6, 2016 10:50 AM
    dynastyfootballforme says:
    “..If the PSI numbers showed a remote chance of Patriot cheating, it would fill the airwaves. Since that’s not the case, the NFL’s silence is deafening…”

    Simple. He’s saving it for the hearing.
    ________________________________________

    Yeah right. They can’t even file the paperwork correctly! Exposed at every turn…

    Patriots, TB12, Patriot Fans WIN AGAIN!

    Kiss The RingS!

  147. patsfanwaiting says: Feb 6, 2016 12:15 PM

    Factless, the circumstantial evidence Goodell and his staff edited in the wells report? That circumstantial evidence you are basing your fact less argument on? I understand why people don’t take you seriously.

  148. johnheisman says: Feb 6, 2016 12:18 PM

    Goodell and the NFL clearly handled this poorly. My initial thought is they were just protecting their backsides but it is also clear that the NFL will do the wrong thing, which is the opposit of integrity, to keep the players and the union down AND also bring the hammer down on a team without INDENDENT proof for the benefit of the other teams.

  149. swineflooo says: Feb 6, 2016 12:20 PM

    Patriots fans should be pissed off. They got railroaded big time. I am shocked people still think the nfl got it right, when clearly all the facts and research show the patriots did nothing wrong. You can hate the patriots all you want, but if you read all the info, the nfl is wrong in this

  150. swineflooo says: Feb 6, 2016 12:21 PM

    Where is their circumstantial evidence? Lol. You obviously have only read espn headlines

  151. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:26 PM

    smithdp says:
    Feb 6, 2016 9:21 AM

    I see no reason to drag the Patriots into this discussion. I think we ALL supported them in their effort to win their first legitimate Super Bowl this year.
    ______________________________________

    Awe…How cute. A phrase often heard from the Trolling Haters Loser’s Circle! Check the record books Troll. 15 years of dominance. What, your team can’t over come puffs of air and warm Gatorade? Boo Hoo!

    Kiss The RINGS! Now run along…

  152. switchwitch59 says: Feb 6, 2016 12:35 PM

    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM
    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science.
    —————————————
    If you’re not satisfied by science, how do you explain gravity? Without gravity you would fly off the planet. But you don’t believe in science, gravity is science.
    Oh, no, there goes wrigleyivy flying off into space!

  153. stoopidfool says: Feb 6, 2016 12:39 PM

    The real moron here is the hater who is still spending time baselessly insisting that someone is a cheater for over a year

    And a jealous moron at that

  154. Iron Mike says: Feb 6, 2016 1:08 PM

    Everyone knows Roger is lying. Roger knows he’s lying. Does Roger seriously think we don’t know he’s lying? Yet the charade continues. The only reason Roger still has a job is because the owners make so much money rolling out of bed every morning that just don’t care about PSI.

  155. letmefeelyourlove says: Feb 6, 2016 2:27 PM

    factman66 says:
    Feb 6, 2016 11:15 AM

    The morons are the people claiming this would exonerate the Patriots. In order for that to happen you have to ignore a mountain of circumstantial evidence. The numbers wouldn’t exonerate anyone unless there was no circumstantial evidence, but there is and there is a lot.
    ___________________________________

    Numbers alone are enough for exoneration! Those pesky old numbers show that there was no tampering with the footballs, and no evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) can prove someone guilty of something that never happened.

  156. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 3:02 PM

    the8man says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:28 PM
    wrigleyivy says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:02 PM
    Give it up, Florio! You are continually harping on this and each post is clearly clickbait at this point. The science may say otherwise but nobody with “intelligence” is satisfied with the science. The shady pats were caught. It just so happens that the Reno 911 team made a mess of things.
    ——————————————————
    I remember when the ’85 Bears squashed my Patriots in the Super Bowl 46-10. I was a college Senior. That…was… a…rough…day. But my mother said there would be better days ahead, and she was right.

    I guess Chicago football fans may not totally agree.

    Go Patriots!
    ________________________________________

    Indeed.

    But, really all you had to do was cry “Cheaters” long enough and loud enough…and you would’ve felt better.

    But then again, maybe you have integrity and don’t need to make excuses…

    Patriots Win Again!

  157. fishman518 says: Feb 6, 2016 3:25 PM

    cb3313 says:
    Feb 6, 2016 12:13 PM
    FoozieGrooler says:
    Feb 6, 2016 10:50 AM
    dynastyfootballforme says:
    “..If the PSI numbers showed a remote chance of Patriot cheating, it would fill the airwaves. Since that’s not the case, the NFL’s silence is deafening…”

    Simple. He’s saving it for the hearing.
    ————-
    I thought they weren’t allowed to introduce new evidence at the appeal. It’s just to confirm or deny whether the original overturning of the suspension was legal.

  158. fishman518 says: Feb 6, 2016 3:29 PM

    4 more years of this clown Goodell and then he’s gone. Don’t know who I’m happier to see leave, Obama or Goodell.

  159. fishman518 says: Feb 6, 2016 3:38 PM

    Part of the problem with Goodell is Patriot fans in general. When Ray Rice got punished twice, we said nothing about the process, though he should have been suspended, more originally. Bountygate? We said nothing. These fan bases should be on the patriots side having been wronged by Roger. I know when the next team gets targeted, having read all the info on deflategate, I will defend and cry foul if necessary for any fanbase/team, even the jets if it warrants it. Goodell is ruining the integrity of the game all on his own. – from an impartial Pats fan who can think for himself.

  160. tomsetter123 says: Feb 6, 2016 4:03 PM

    fishman518 says:
    Feb 6, 2016 3:38 PM
    Part of the problem with Goodell is Patriot fans in general. When Ray Rice got punished twice, we said nothing about the process, though he should have been suspended, more originally. Bountygate? We said nothing. These fan bases should be on the patriots side having been wronged by Roger. I know when the next team gets targeted, having read all the info on deflategate, I will defend and cry foul if necessary for any fanbase/team, even the jets if it warrants it. Goodell is ruining the integrity of the game all on his own. – from an impartial Pats fan who can think for himself.

    ————–
    good points

    Everyone should read through the details of BountyGate.
    They read eerily like DeflateGate.
    Roger G has been silent on HGH/Manning so maybe the owners said enough with the bad publicity from DeflateGate -Change your tactics.

    Time will tell

  161. jrterrier5 says: Feb 6, 2016 4:15 PM

    Doesn’t matter what NFL’s purpose in collecting data. It should disclose because that data is key to Deflategate allegations made by NFL

  162. revren10 says: Feb 6, 2016 4:25 PM

    since its more probable than not that manning used hgh. Im guessing the broncos being four time cheaters. Two with salary caps, one taping another teams practice and now hgh. Guess Denver will lose its first thru fourth round pick and be fined 2 million since the integrity of the game matters and the broncos are serial cheaters

  163. lscottman3 says: Feb 6, 2016 4:38 PM

    I hope Rooney gets his wish and it goes to the Supreme Court
    I hope they take the case

    I hope they then decide that the entire CBA was jammed form the players throats
    I hope they decide to revoke and declare the monopoly waiver should be thrown out

    All because the owners wanted ultimate power in the hands of the commissioner

    That day could be coming

    Sweet

  164. steelbreeze676 says: Feb 6, 2016 4:52 PM

    Firing Goodell would do absolutely nothing, he’s a lackey for the NFL oligarchy ownership. We need to take great football back from these scumbags. If you played high school football you contributed more to the on the field product than they ever have.

  165. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: Feb 6, 2016 4:54 PM

    Pats fans need to get used to the idea that fair play is the rule, not the exception. That will sink in when the appeals court reinstates Brady’s suspension and he goes out for a quarter of the season.

  166. ikeclanton says: Feb 6, 2016 5:04 PM

    truthprofessor says:
    Feb 6, 2016 11:48 AM
    A year ago, smart people understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    6 months ago, people with working brains understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    3 months ago, even semi-morons understood that the Patriots did nothing wrong

    Now? There’s only the Colts, Jets, and Ravens fans who are left, hopelessly clueless, to bring the hate

    —————-

    Wait, wait…don’t forget the angriest of all–Steeler fans who came into all of their playoff games against the Patriots overconfident and were left disappointed. They’ll tell you that the Patriots were behind the Brinks heist in 1950, Watergate, and the housing market crash before they’ll admit to simply getting outplayed.

  167. thumper00 says: Feb 6, 2016 5:06 PM

    Rumor going around Boston is that a MAJOR law firm has been gathering information and having people setting up for a major lawsuit, They have been compiling info for over 8 months.

    And it looks to be TOM BRADY vs NFL and ROGER GOODELL !!!!!!!!!!!

  168. thenameisredskins says: Feb 6, 2016 5:10 PM

    I can hardly believe that anyone would trust an organization (the NFL) that can’t even determine what a catch is. The officiating in the league is atrocious. They have a serious issue with players beating on women. Their owners are about as crooked as they come, an example would be stripping cap space from the Redskins and Cowboys for actually complying with league rules and using contracts that the league approved. But, let’s continue to throw tens of millions of dollars investigating whether a club intentionally used footballs that were barely under the legal PSI limit. Then, blatantly ignore actual science and claim that Ted Wells findings were all good. Seriously, the league needs to fire both Goodell and Blandino and start over. This is embarrassing.

  169. fanofpft says: Feb 6, 2016 5:34 PM

    There has never been bigger cheaters that twist things more while seeking greater appeasement.

  170. redsghost says: Feb 6, 2016 5:40 PM

    No B.S here, but I’m not watching tomorrows game at all. When Goodell leaves then I’ll re-think my stand.
    A query though. They say Roger has doubled the profits of the NFL since he took office. Anyone wonder if someone competent was in office that they may have tripled or quadrupled the profit margin? Perhaps Roger’s incompetent has cost the owners profits.

  171. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 5:48 PM

    TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Feb 6, 2016 4:54 PM

    Pats fans need to get used to the idea that fair play is the rule, not the exception. That will sink in when the appeals court reinstates Brady’s suspension and he goes out for a quarter of the season.
    ________________________________________
    Yeah, You keep clinging to that hope out there on Troll Fantasy Island!

    Trolling Haters better get used to the idea that the burden of PROOF falls on the accusers, not the accused. Every judge will agree with that. The Emperor and the Trolling Haters are about to get smacked down in court…again.

    Even some of your fellow Trolls are coming around to the witch hunt and the fact that they’ve been duped by the Emperor and ESPN.

    Kiss The RingS!

  172. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 5:48 PM

    TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says:
    Feb 6, 2016 4:54 PM

    Pats fans need to get used to the idea that fair play is the rule, not the exception. That will sink in when the appeals court reinstates Brady’s suspension and he goes out for a quarter of the season.
    ________________________________________
    Yeah, You keep clinging to that hope out there on Troll Fantasy Island!

    Trolling Haters better get used to the idea that the burden of PROOF falls on the accusers, not the accused. Every judge will agree with that. The Emperor and the Trolling Haters are about to get smacked down in court…again.

    Even some of your fellow Trolls are coming around to the witch hunt and the fact that they’ve been duped by the Emperor and ESPN.

    Kiss The RingS!

  173. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 6:00 PM

    fanofpft says:
    Feb 6, 2016 5:34 PM

    There has never been bigger cheaters that twist things more while seeking greater appeasement.
    ______________________________________
    I know right! Goodell and his minions are scum! We agree…

    Kiss The RinS!

  174. melikefootball says: Feb 6, 2016 6:26 PM

    It had to do with the Patriots, enough said , only the fans of this team are blinded.

  175. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 6:54 PM

    GoodellMustGo says:
    Feb 5, 2016 9:10 PM

    How a guy who is so clueless on just about everything. This issue, plus the appalling observation that players smashing heads on a football field and having their lives drastically altered is somehow equal to sitting on a couch… how this idiot still is the commissioner of the biggest sporting organization on the planet… is beyond me.
    _______________________________________

    Because he is a professional MARKETER!

    He owned all the headlines across the country during his marketing creation…DEFLATEGATE. He said it, and all the Trolls and agenda driven media ate it up! Master Marketer. He spun and marketed the hell out of deflategate. Headlines being the key. He leaked mis-information to ESPN: 11-12 Balls Underinflated! (PROVEN not true) DESTROYED CELL PHONE! (Wells said he didn’t need the actual phone.) He lied about Brady’s testimony. He lied about INDEPENDENT Investigation. But continued to spin, spin, spin the headlines for the weak minded headline reading public.

    TROLLS….It’s over…You’ve been duped by a master marketer and every day that passes more and more people are realizing it. You can only stick your fingers in your ears and deny the true PROOF and FACTS for so long. The Emperor has been exposed and he is buck naked!

    You don’t believe science, but you believe the Master Marketer! Embarrassing…for you…Trolls.

  176. pastabelly says: Feb 6, 2016 7:00 PM

    There was no way Goodell was going to release data from the tests or admit the Ideal Gas Law has been scientifically proven. He was never going to do anything until after the draft and the Patriots lost the draft picks. This is and has never been anything more than a second shot at discipline for Spygate by other owners and for Roger to look tough. Anyone denying that has no grasp on reality. Most honestly believe that Judge Berman was disgusted to see this joke of a process in his court.

  177. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 7:04 PM

    melikefootball says:
    Feb 6, 2016 6:26 PM

    It had to do with the Patriots, enough said , only the fans of this team are blinded.
    ________________________________________
    Sorry Troll, 8 months ago that might have worked. But now that the true facts have come out about Goodell’s lies…You lose! All the name calling and cute # won’t change the fact that the Emperor has been exposed as a liar. To continue to support him…well…We’ll just ask you to run along now. The adults are talking…

    Kiss The RingS!

  178. cb3313 says: Feb 6, 2016 7:18 PM

    One of many question for the Trolls, if any are brave enough to attempt an answer:

    Throughout the past year, why did the Emperor make you and the Agenda Driven Media “connect the dots” in Deflategate? Why didn’t he connect them himself and PROVE his case?

    Anyone? Bueller?

  179. ampatsisahypocrite says: Feb 6, 2016 8:57 PM

    Two sweet weeks of life knowing the Patriots are O-U-T. No Soup-er Bowl for you!

    And that means no matter who takes the trophy tomorrow, we’ve all already won.

  180. cinzano08 says: Feb 6, 2016 10:45 PM

    sorry haters but Patriots will be back in the hunt next year no matter what you wish for. Losers try winners do!

  181. tomsetter123 says: Feb 7, 2016 8:38 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Feb 6, 2016 8:57 PM
    Two sweet weeks of life knowing the Patriots are O-U-T. No Soup-er Bowl for you!

    And that means no matter who takes the trophy tomorrow, we’ve all already won.

    ———————-
    From 2001-2014 the Patriots have averaged over 12 wins per season and a .759 win percentage, the highest in any of the four major American sports

  182. cb3313 says: Feb 7, 2016 11:16 AM

    Roger the Dodger…Why so evasive Emperor?

    “He didn’t so much answer as he did orally ejaculate syllables for a prescribed length of time before he felt safe to go on to a stuttering query about whether the Pro Bowl will ever be played in Austria.” Tom E. Curran

    Trolls…Why can’t he answer the simple questions about the measured PSI’s this season? Why can’t he tell us if any balls were found under 12.5 PSI this season?

    Because when the NFLPA subpoenas the results, he will be PROVEN for the 5th, 6th, 10th time to be a liar!

    That’s your man Trolls! Liar and Master Marketer…You’ve been duped. How does it feel to know you’ve been a pawn in this loser’s marketing game?

    Kiss The RingS!

  183. cb3313 says: Feb 7, 2016 8:42 PM

    kelsey59 says:
    Feb 6, 2016 2:23 AM

    The only people who think the Pat’s were not cheating are Pat’s fans.
    ________________________________________

    The only people who think the Pat’s are guilty are Trolling Haters who can’t site any proof…only ESPN and NFL lies. You know, the ones that have already been proven as lies!

    Site your proof Troll. We are waiting…

    CRICKETS!

    Run along back to the Loser’s Circle Troll!

  184. Surf Bandits says: Feb 9, 2016 11:22 AM

    bostonpatriots1stfan says:
    Feb 5, 2016 10:03 PM

    Here’s the saddest thing about this whole “deflategate” mess…There’s a kid coming out of college who’s going to get 2nd round money even though he’s a #1 pick because only 31 teams have a first draft choice…Just another way the NFL screws people over.
    ________________________________

    Great point! That had not crossed my mind. Also just realized if NE doesn’t get their $ and picks back, the NFL helped them out salary cap wise because of not having to pay first round $.

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