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Most owners wanted to keep Raiders from returning to L.A.

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If the Chargers don’t finalize a move to Los Angeles by the middle of January 2017, dibs on sharing Kroenkeworld with the Rams will slide to the Raiders. But it’s hard to imagine the NFL ultimately allowing the Raiders to make the move.

As explained in a lengthy article from Seth Wickersham and Don Van Natta, Jr. of ESPN The Magazine regarding the machinations that resulted in the league’s return to Los Angeles, most owners wanted to keep the Raiders from making the move. Per the report, the owners pointed to bridges burned by the late Al Davis (a dynamic confirmed by Texans owner Bob McNair) and the potential “co-opting of the team apparel by gangs.”

It’s been believed that the Raiders would be welcomed back enthusiastically by fans in L.A., perhaps even more enthusiastically than the Rams have been welcomed back. The notion that owners are concerned that the Raiders would be welcomed back too enthusiastically by a specific type of criminal element, coupled with the linger animosity toward Al Davis, suggests that, even if the Chargers don’t move to L.A., the league will find a way to keep the Raiders from making their way back to town.

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  1. therealraider says: Feb 11, 2016 11:07 AM

    The parameters are set, If the Chargers pass the Raiders are in, If the NFL attempts to undo the voted on and approved agreement, The league will be sued and
    the league will lose.

  2. exodus316 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:08 AM

    If they are truly holding grudges against a dead guy that proves what a petty bunch these owners are. This continues to be a hard league to like.

  3. mikermiker says: Feb 11, 2016 11:08 AM

    I’d personally like to see the team from Foxboro(ugh) be moved over to LA. It’s obvious that both cities share very similar values and contain very similar people.

  4. rjpats says: Feb 11, 2016 11:12 AM

    Wait, you mean the NFL thinks there are still criminals out there who don’t own raiders gear?

  5. bcstiller says: Feb 11, 2016 11:13 AM

    Time for Mark to follow in Dad’s footsteps and sue. If these reports are true and can be proven, they are actionable. Sooner than later, the NFL is going to be split wide open like a hog from top to bottom. They are begging for it. It’s time.

  6. mogogo1 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:14 AM

    Judging that is exactly what was originally said of the Rams, I guess its safe to start printing LA Raiders gear.

  7. Kelly's Chronicles says: Feb 11, 2016 11:14 AM

    If the Raiders want to move to LA, San Antonio, Las Vegas or wherever they will and the NFL can’t stop them. Al Davis proved many years ago that they don’t care one little bit what the league has to say about anything…. And you gotta kind of respect that

  8. joetoronto says: Feb 11, 2016 11:16 AM

    “But it’s hard to imagine the NFL ultimately allowing the Raiders to make the move.”

    I can’y believe PFT is still saying this, if the Raiders want to move to LA, they will.

    Nobody can stop them and they obviously know it.

  9. rcali says: Feb 11, 2016 11:16 AM

    Vegas Baby!

  10. mullman76 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:18 AM

    The anti-Raiders sentiment is real.

    Not only by opposing fans, but also by the other 30 owners, plus the beer drinkers in Wisconsin.

    The NFL is quickly becoming a farce once this fact is openly acknowledged and nothing is done to correct the transgression.

    Tuck rule? That was convenient.

    The other owners do not want a global brand in the biggest market- the Raiders value would skyrocket and the old guard would be left with a beast to deal with.

    The “gang” excuse is just that- an excuse that they think is viable.

    God, I wish Al Davis was alive to handle this business like he ran his football team…..

    “Take what the defense gives you? No, we take what we want.”
    -Al Davis-

  11. boknowsall says: Feb 11, 2016 11:19 AM

    You don’t think gangs will wear Rams gear? What a joke. Face it. A lot of gang bangers love football, and some of them play football. Go to most cities and certain gangs wear sports teams gear. Chicago Bulls-Bloods. LA Dodgers-Crips. Some Mexican gangs wear Cowboys gear. Hypocrisy and BS targeting singling out the Raiders.

  12. sdelmonte says: Feb 11, 2016 11:19 AM

    “co-opting of the team apparel by gangs.”

    Translation: Even thought it’s 2016, we don’t really know if we want African American fans.

  13. nnagi says: Feb 11, 2016 11:21 AM

    Mark Davis doesn’t have the $550M relocation fee available even if the Chargers pass on LA…the most likely scenario is the Chargers and Raiders stay put and build new stadiums in their current cities

  14. zombiepatriot says: Feb 11, 2016 11:23 AM

    The owners remind me a lot of Goodell and the Brady situation. Goodell got b-slapped after his sham of an investigation turned up nothing but he continues to support it.

    The owners got b-slapped by the late great Al Davis and continue on with their little vendetta because for once a bunch of rich men were told no and now they must act like petulant little children (aka Goodell).

  15. willycents says: Feb 11, 2016 11:24 AM

    Personally, I (Denver fan for 40 years) want the Raiders to stay in Oakland. Somehow, not seeing the teams play in the Black Hole, with all the fans dressed in their regalia, loses some of the magic from the rivalry. The emotion from the Oakland fans, win, lose, or tie, to me, makes them the absolute best in the league. That is something they cannot replicate anywhere else, particularly LA.

  16. westcoastraider says: Feb 11, 2016 11:28 AM

    Right… and bringing a team whose primary color is blue to LA isnt going to have any affect on gang apparel, that makes perfect sense there…

  17. mongo3401 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:29 AM

    Raiders belong in Oakland. True the owners cannot stop a move but Kroenke can make a lease for Davis or part ownership so hard he could never afford it. Kroenke holds all the cards now. After getting the blessing to move does anyone really really think he would agree to share the stadium with so one the other owners do not want ?

  18. mmack66 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:29 AM

    Were I Mark Davis, I’d load everything up and move right on down to San Antonio, and stop to say hello to Bob McNair on the way.

  19. magnusthe1st says: Feb 11, 2016 11:30 AM

    LA doesn’t deserve a team, even if it is the gong-show Raiders. They’ve proven they can’t support one, let alone multiple.

  20. atwatercrushesokoye says: Feb 11, 2016 11:34 AM

    We all know there’s no gangs in Oakland…

  21. dontouchmyjunk says: Feb 11, 2016 11:39 AM

    I don’t believe this reporting for one second. For starters, Al Davis proved that the NFL is powerless to stop any team from moving anywhere they want any time they want.

  22. itsthecameenewtonshowcom says: Feb 11, 2016 11:42 AM

    Why would anyone put their neck on the line to help a team that has proven over and over it is not fiscally sound. Giving money to the Raiders is the same as throwing it away. No ROI.

  23. thespread00 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:43 AM

    Do gang members really care what city a team is in? And aren’t there gangs in Oakland too?

  24. teal379 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:43 AM

    mullman76 says:
    Feb 11, 2016 11:18 AM
    The anti-Raiders sentiment is real.

    Not only by opposing fans, but also by the other 30 owners, plus the beer drinkers in Wisconsin.

    I know this is hard to believe but I assure you – not a single person in Wisconsin gives a second thought to the Raiders. Not been relevant in a generation and not a traditional rivalry for Green Bay.

    The persecution complex some of you guys display is clinically scary.

    That said – remember when Florio laughed at Cuban about the future Cuban saw for the NFL? And now all this comes along….

    Cuban may have been an optimist about the whole deal….

  25. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Feb 11, 2016 11:49 AM

    mullman76 says:

    “God, I wish Al Davis was alive to handle this business like he ran his football team…..”

    You mean like drafting Jamarcus Russell over Adrian Peterson and Darius Heyward-Bey over Jeremy Maclin?

  26. granadafan says: Feb 11, 2016 11:53 AM

    BUILD. YOUR. OWN. DAMNED. STADIUMS!!!!

    It’ll be tough for the Chargers or Raiders to try to fleece/threaten/ extort/ blackmail the taxpayers into giving them free money and a lavish palace considering Kroenke is building his own, and in the same state. The Niners built their own also.

  27. Brody Black says: Feb 11, 2016 11:54 AM

    So – the other owners were afraid that too much Raiders merchandise would be purchased by “the wrong type of people.” – That’s kind of offensive to be honest. A bunch of rich old white men don’t want disaffected youth to wear Raiders hats. Interesting. ALSO – Those kids can already buy & wear Raiders gear, the team moving to LA won’t change that.

  28. radrntn says: Feb 11, 2016 11:56 AM

    keep on digging it deeper…..anti trust, collusion, FTC laws, etc…….

    end of the day Davis will do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

  29. upperdecker19 says: Feb 11, 2016 11:57 AM

    Gangstas in L.A. demand an explanation!

  30. petersjeffrey36 says: Feb 11, 2016 12:00 PM

    all the more reason for Mark to pull an Al and move with a big middle finger up to the NFL, what should happen is raiders to st louis, waive relocation fee and still toss in the extra $100 mil that is currently on the table for them to stay in oakland.. and i only say they should leave oakland because that is the only city in this whole three city cluster-f that has not made any attempt to keep the team

  31. idpfantasyfootball says: Feb 11, 2016 12:03 PM

    R.I.P. Al Davis

  32. mullman76 says: Feb 11, 2016 12:07 PM

    @osiris33:

    Much like the others who spew nonsense, you have missed the point.

    We are talking moving the team to LA, not questionable draft choices.

    Al missed on a few draft selections in his later years, but he also nailed quite a few more when it mattered most.

    Also, it was Calvin Johnson that went #2 to the Lions. Megatron should’ve been a Raider, but the Raiders were in the unfortunate position of having the #1 overall pick. If Al didn’t take JaMarcus, the Lions or the Vikings would have….that is a fact.

    We can play the draft game with any of the 31 other teams and see who they missed.

    Brady in the 6th round, any number of undrafted players that went on to have success in the league- blah, blah, blah and around we go.

    The could’ve, should’ve, would’ve game is an excercise in futility and just another weak attempt to discredit one of the greatest minds in professional sports history.

    RAIDERS

  33. mongo3401 says: Feb 11, 2016 12:07 PM

    I do know one thing. The Rams better come up with a decent football team and fast. They have a good D but no qb. No wide receivers and no offensive line. San Diego will be bad as usual. And, the Raiders are in the verge of being very very good and have a huge amount of cap room

    If Kreonke does not come up with a decent winning team by 2017 the fans may just be begging for the Raiders to LA and Kroekeworld will be empty. No dog in the fight here just stating pure fact

    Like I said, Oakland should come to agreement on a stadium because they will be proud of their team in the near future

  34. jmoney74 says: Feb 11, 2016 12:10 PM

    Yes Raiders can move where they want and sue.. but you know what’s going to happen.. YELLOW FLAGS. This league is a mob and I hope one day it gets blown up.

  35. araidersfan says: Feb 11, 2016 12:11 PM

    The other owners’ motive may be sinister in ‘keeping them from’ Los Angeles but the Raiders are actually much better off far away from La-la land. I don’t care about the fact that Al Davis got Rozelle and the other league owners angry, but that environment was poisonous to the Raiders fortunes on the field….and the team hasn’t recovered since he made that mistake. The Raiders were a dominant team in Oakland (before the move) and remained excellent for the first 4 years in L.A. but after 1985 they have only rarely been among the good teams.

    As for the ‘criminal element’ assertion I can say that before the Raiders moved to Los Angeles there was no widespread perception of that but it definitely took root after they moved there…and it has affected the reputation of law-abiding Raider fans who’s focus is on football and who live elsewhere. Speaking personally there was never a negative reaction when I wore a Raider jersey or cap in public before the L.A. move but over the last 30+ years there’s been incidents of dirty looks, insults, etc. when I wear the colors.

  36. zigthepatsfan says: Feb 11, 2016 12:12 PM

    exodus316 says:
    Feb 11, 2016 11:08 AM
    If they are truly holding grudges against a dead guy that proves what a petty bunch these owners are. This continues to be a hard league to like.

    Which is my answer to the haters when they ask why Kraft accepted the punishment. Better to lose a couple picks and some pocket change and end it than suffer the Raiders fate forever.

    not right but just how it is

  37. Brody Black says: Feb 11, 2016 12:13 PM

    osiris33 – You make a good point, but in all fairness Russell would have been drafted by another team had Davis not had first pick. You hit on some, you don’t hit on some. He had a reputation for being lazy and Davis should have passed on him, but I can see why Al thought that maybe the kid would bring some swagger back to Oakland. a swing and a miss.

  38. BIG RED says: Feb 11, 2016 12:27 PM

    For the last time, the relocation fee can be paid over many years, any team can afford to pay it.

  39. silvernblacksabbath says: Feb 11, 2016 12:30 PM

    Although I want the RAIDERS to stay in Oakland, isn’t this considered COLLUSION???

  40. racerx1225 says: Feb 11, 2016 12:34 PM

    mullman76 says:
    Feb 11, 2016 11:18 AM
    The anti-Raiders sentiment is real.

    Not only by opposing fans, but also by the other 30 owners, plus the beer drinkers in Wisconsin.

    I know this is hard to believe but I assure you – not a single person in Wisconsin gives a second thought to the Raiders. Not been relevant in a generation and not a traditional rivalry for Green Bay.

    The persecution complex some of you guys display is clinically scary.

    That said – remember when Florio laughed at Cuban about the future Cuban saw for the NFL? And now all this comes along….

    Cuban may have been an optimist about the whole deal….

    ========================================

    Only the Packers would have lost this year if Carr didnt throw 2 early INT’s.

    Packers are not that good anymore. They used to be elite. Key words are “Used to”.

  41. awdlmd says: Feb 11, 2016 12:39 PM

    “The notion that owners are concerned that the Raiders would be welcomed back too enthusiastically by a specific type of criminal element”

    People who dance after TDs and write music that makes old people uncomfortable.

  42. jjackwagon says: Feb 11, 2016 12:52 PM

    C’mon Mark, show the NFL that you are your father’s son.

    Flip the bird to Goodell and the rest of the owners and move the team. Do it.

  43. purpleguy says: Feb 11, 2016 12:54 PM

    So NFL owners are as a league are suddenly concerned about society? Yeah, right.

  44. 1nationraidernation says: Feb 11, 2016 1:13 PM

    so they are concerned about gangs, yet they approved a stadium in South Central located smack dab in the hood.

    these guys are bozo’s

    As much as I want the Raiders in Oakland, I am open to Las Vegas, as long as Oakland Raiders season ticket holders are given first priority without some ridiculous PSL fee.

  45. namriverrat69 says: Feb 11, 2016 1:15 PM

    It is all about the money. The Raiders came down here and pocketed millions. The Coluseum Commission then reneged on promised improvements to the Raiders. The Raiders packed up and took more money to move back to Oakland. Let them stay in Oakland. LA should not have to entice them twice. They didn’t want to be here so let them stay in Oakland.

  46. 1nationraidernation says: Feb 11, 2016 1:19 PM

    Feb 11, 2016 11:53 AM
    BUILD. YOUR. OWN. DAMNED. STADIUMS!!!!

    The Niners built their own also.

    – – – – – – – – – – — — – – – – – — –

    Tell that to the Santa Clara taxpayers…..know your facts before you spew nonsense.

  47. williamwallacewouldhavebeenaraider says: Feb 11, 2016 2:03 PM

    So the Bloods who wear 49er gear are cool ok I get it. Wait I dont. It still amazes me that because NWA and other rappers wore Raider gear the fan base is so closely associated with gangs. Its utterly ridiculous in every way. The Al bias I always knew that wasnt going to ever die. What these owners should take into account is that this league and all this money these owners make are possible because of AL DAVIS!!!!! GET OVER IT

  48. teal379 says: Feb 11, 2016 2:04 PM

    racerx1225 says:
    Feb 11, 2016 12:34 PM

    Only the Packers would have lost this year if Carr didnt throw 2 early INT’s.

    Packers are not that good anymore. They used to be elite. Key words are “Used to”.

    What does that have to do with the fact that the Raiders haven’t been relevant since your dad was in college and that the only people that care about the move at all are Raider fans – it doesn’t register for any other fan base.

  49. slick50ks says: Feb 11, 2016 2:22 PM

    To all the idiots saying the fade can just “move to LA if they want to”.

    A: Kronke will never allow that kind of franchise (second rate, minor league) to play in his new pleasure palace.

    B: The fade can’t even build a stadium in the dump of oaktown. How are they gonna build one in the very expensive LA?

    As long as the joke is owned by a Davis family member, the league will keep their foot on their throat. And with good reason. The team is a league embarrassment.

  50. slick50ks says: Feb 11, 2016 2:30 PM

    williamwallacewouldhavebeenaraider says:
    Feb 11, 2016 2:03 PM
    So the Bloods who wear 49er gear are cool ok I get it. Wait I dont. It still amazes me that because NWA and other rappers wore Raider gear the fan base is so closely associated with gangs. Its utterly ridiculous in every way. The Al bias I always knew that wasnt going to ever die. What these owners should take into account is that this league and all this money these owners make are possible because of AL DAVIS!!!!! GET OVER IT

    ———————————-

    Lamar Hunt is laughing at your stupid comment from his grave. Hunt made this league what it is, and even named the championship game what it is today. Dead al did everything he could to harm the NFL. It’s why your crap franchise is the scourge of the league to this day, butt of every joke, ect.

    Yeah, I know. You’re going to win the Super Bowl this year, Yada yada yada.

  51. itsthecameenewtonshowcom says: Feb 11, 2016 3:35 PM

    Raiders are a farm team. Nobody wants you, nobody wants to pay for you, not even Oakland. Deal with it. SB again next year??? LOL!*

    *Query, when you draft in the top 5 for 20 years, how long does it take to come up with a .500 team?????

  52. hbvandamme says: Feb 11, 2016 3:48 PM

    The Chargers wont move, the Raiders wont be allowed to move. Noone is going to support the Rams the way Kroenke thinks. He had it good in St Louis. The whole vote thing if you want to move your team isnt helping anyone to love football and buy merch.
    What a mess.

  53. steelerben says: Feb 11, 2016 4:20 PM

    Correct me if I misunderstand all this, but the Raiders staying in Oakland has nothing to do with people with the money to buy it purchasing their gear, right? If a gang member in LA wants to wear a Raider’s jersey, they can just order it on NFL.com. They can even have it personalized to have their gang nickname on the back.

  54. raiddawgz says: Feb 11, 2016 5:01 PM

    Haters will always hate! Raiders were the team of the decades for a long time and they are on the rise once again. Keep hating!

    GO RAIDERS

  55. fanofpft says: Feb 11, 2016 6:07 PM

    Very lame reasoning.

  56. mindset839 says: Feb 11, 2016 6:51 PM

    Mark Davis has tried to cooperate with these idiots long enough. Playing nice with these guys is a sign of weakness. It’s time to hire a law firm, load up the trucks and move wherever he damn well pleases. Relocation fee? Not! League approval? Not needed. Ass kissing? Enough already. Al Davis set the precedent. The courts have ruled once that blocking a team from moving is a violation of antitrust laws but the owners are just arrogant enough to try anyway which would result in them writing a different Davis another fat check.

  57. corvusrex96 says: Feb 11, 2016 7:41 PM

    The league wants an AFC team in LA to drive up the cost of the next TV contract

  58. raiderapologist says: Feb 11, 2016 9:06 PM

    I don’t know. I went to a home game last season. There were some sketchy-looking guys in my section, but we had no issues.

  59. williamwallacewouldhavebeenaraider says: Feb 11, 2016 9:54 PM

    williamwallacewouldhavebeenaraider says:
    Feb 11, 2016 2:03 PM
    So the Bloods who wear 49er gear are cool ok I get it. Wait I dont. It still amazes me that because NWA and other rappers wore Raider gear the fan base is so closely associated with gangs. Its utterly ridiculous in every way. The Al bias I always knew that wasnt going to ever die. What these owners should take into account is that this league and all this money these owners make are possible because of AL DAVIS!!!!! GET OVER IT

    ———————————-

    Lamar Hunt is laughing at your stupid comment from his grave. Hunt made this league what it is, and even named the championship game what it is today. Dead al did everything he could to harm the NFL. It’s why your crap franchise is the scourge of the league to this day, butt of every joke, ect.

    Yeah, I know. You’re going to win the Super Bowl this year, Yada yada yada.
    ————————————-
    Agreed Al was a problem for the NFL from the moment he stepped on the scene in the AFL. He wanted to crush them and in fact had them on the ropes. Until Hunt bowed down and took there offer to join. Yes he was a man with no heart and vision this is true. All Al ever did was love football not just money. So he didnt always agree with what the NFL wanted him to do. Just ask Spanos how far being a company man has gotten him. He has been one of the most active owners in the NFL, going along with whatever they aske him for the greater good of the NFL. Yet Stan the Man, basically an absantee owner who bought land behind the NFL’s back and basically takes LA away from the Chargers. Yeah ill back Al all day not wanting most of the other owners telling him what he could and couldnt do. As opposed to Hunt who bowed down the moment they threw him some scraps.

  60. ivanpavlov0000 says: Feb 11, 2016 10:07 PM

    A bunch of old rich white guys are afraid of Blacks and Latinos sporting Raider colors? Or better yet, a bunch of rich old white guys think they know what’s best for minority communities that they never visit and never will visit?

    I’m shocked. (not)

    I’d love to hear Larry Wilmore’s take on this.

  61. 6stn says: Feb 11, 2016 10:17 PM

    The NFL already has a criminal element in LA: Stain Kroenke.

  62. JSpicoli says: Feb 11, 2016 10:36 PM

    This was always the story, but no one reported it because you all had stiffies over the Raiders leaving town.

    Told you so

  63. stlouisfan says: Feb 12, 2016 11:03 AM

    The NFLs holier than thou personification is ridiculous. They want everyone to believe they are this squeaky clean organization that does no wrong. Truth is they are ran much like the mafia. They strong arm people into getting what they want. They lie , they cheat and are above any laws. They make rules they don’t follow. No doubt in my mind they get whatever they want. They do whatever they want. The NFL is nearing its peak and will soon be going the other direction. It reminds me a lot of the XFL. The NFL and its owners can not continue to force everything down the fans throat. They cannot continue to bleed every city dry.

  64. dogsweat9 says: Feb 13, 2016 1:04 AM

    Vegas Baby!

  65. justaraiderfan says: Feb 13, 2016 7:36 AM

    So let me get this straight the Raiders colors are worn by gangs and thus the owners were afraid of this. Where have these sackless wonders been for the last 30+ years?!! People equate NWA with Raiders gear (and rightfully so) but, to think it started w/them is assinine. Gangs wear more than just the Raiders gear. Stan Kroenke knows that the Rams whether in St.Louis, LA or Mars will never, ever out sell the Raiders (this is why he wanted the Bolts over the Raiders). Penciled neck geek….

  66. molomeli says: Feb 13, 2016 8:15 PM

    Raider fans are a bunch of broke losers and that’s why no one want the raiders in LA! It smells like weed in the stands and no one spends money inside the stadium. The fans act like a bunch of morons and don’t even know who the players are on the team. The raider fans brought this on themselves!

  67. stlouisfan says: Feb 17, 2016 10:48 AM

    Wait till you see LA Rams fans . They wont have a clue about who is on the field. They will want to be seen at the game. Who cares who is playing and if the Rams win. They will have the perfect team and owner for this. The King of California doesn’t care if the Rams win either. Will be a perfect match. As for the Raider fans , they are some of the most passionate fans in the NFL. They are what football fans are all about. They go to the games to watch and be involved in the game. They actually care about the outcome of the game. Im sure the Oakland fans don’t want the Raiders in LA either. LA Ram fans can sip their wine and golf clap while the Raider fans scream and yell while enjoying a beer. That’s the way football games should be.

  68. garbageman1 says: Mar 17, 2016 1:30 AM

    No way Kronke ever allows the Raiders in LA, they would take over the spot light as they are getting playoff ready and will be getting damn good for the next 5yrs! Anyone who doesn’t think Kronke can find away are probably still looking for shovels in the ground in Carson! When Inglewood opens in 2019 it’s all about the Rams at Kronkeworld maybe the Chargers cuz nobody really cares about them and they can be the 2nd act at the big show!

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