Derek Carr’s 53 TDs through two years second only to Marino

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Here’s something to brighten up the mood of Raiders fans heading into the offseason: Derek Carr is really, really good.

How good? When it comes to passing touchdowns in the first two seasons of his career, Carr is second only to Dan Marino.

Marino had an incredible start to his career, passing for 20 touchdowns in 1983 and then setting a new NFL record with 48 touchdown passes in 1984. His total of 68 touchdown passes in his first two seasons obliterated the previous mark (set by Fran Tarkenton, who had 40 touchdown passes in 1961-62) and has never even been approached since.

But Carr, who passed for 21 touchdown passes as a rookie in 2014 and 32 touchdown passes last year, now has the best total for any player to start a career since Marino. Carr surpasses Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson, who each had 52 touchdown passes in their first two seasons.

Mentioned alongside Marino, Manning and Wilson, Carr is starting his career in some very good company.

161 responses to “Derek Carr’s 53 TDs through two years second only to Marino

  1. He’s off to a good start and has some good weapons but there is still room for improvement. I just hope he plays his way into a big second contract otherwise the Raiders will be going nowhere.

  2. Finally, finally….It’s been a longtime, but a winning season is just barely upon us. This young man is going to reignite this franchise and place it back where it was for DECADES, at the top….Get ready Raider Fans and we can all enjoy this trip….GO RAIDERS!!!

  3. “I can’t believe that the packers passed on him twice to select another pair of busts!”

    Because the guy the Packers used to employ in that dept. now works for us as GM……..

  4. Mentioned alongside Marino, Manning and Wilson, Carr is starting his career in some very good company.
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    Well, maybe not so much Manning ….. allegedly.

  5. 25 ints wit all those Ted passes isn’t bad. He will need to hold onto the ball a bit better though as he has 7 lost fumbles.

  6. If Carr becomes a very successful QB for the Raiders then he’ll be the first such QB who was actually drafted by the Silver & Black since Snake Stabler (and like Stabler, as a 2nd rounder). The other hugely successful Raider QBs (Lamonica, Plunkett, Gannon) were acquired by trade, waivers or free agency.

  7. Bengals first game of last year showed his talent! Definitely a keeper. Many teams are jealous. His supporting cast helps a lot. As a bengals fan the Raiders have a lot to forward to. DONT LET THEM LEAVE TOWN.

  8. Alot of Carr’s issues came from the offensive line and Cooper being unhealthy toward the end of the season, first 9 weeks though Carr was killing it and was inconsistent from then on.

    Raiders are 1 more WR, a change of pace RB and RG away from being a complete offense. Tons of money and legitimate FA talent available to fill those needs too. Once Raiders revamp that secondary and get a every down MLB rest of the league is in trouble..

  9. Aren’t the NFL rules so much more liberal today for QB’s and wide receivers than back when Marino was a young QB???

    Yeah, Carr is as good as Marino. LOL!

  10. ariani1985 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:50 PM

    I can’t believe that the packers passed on him twice to select another pair of busts!
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    Ha Ha Ha!
    I believe it was the Vikings who desperately needed a QB and passed on Carr for Bridgewater. The only thing funnier would have been if the Browns had left Manzel on the board for Minnesota.
    SKOLOLOL!

  11. Add Carr to the Vikes and the rest of the NFC North would be worried. “Baby hands” Bridgewater not so much!
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    That’s why Bridge takes his team to the playoffs and Carr can’t sniff .500?

  12. senordiaz says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:54 PM
    Finally, finally….It’s been a longtime, but a winning season is just barely upon us. This young man is going to reignite this franchise and place it back where it was for DECADES, at the top….Get ready Raider Fans and we can all enjoy this trip….GO RAIDERS!!!
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    Which is why it would be cruel if the Raiders move elsewhere and become great again in 2 or 3 years.

  13. The Texans decided that Clowney and whomever they selected in the 2nd round was a better option for them. How’s that working out?
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    Didn’t the Texans go to the playoffs this year while the Raiders were begging for shelter someplace?

  14. Eh.

    Similar to Borltes they both get a lot of TDs in garbage time. So let’s pump the brakes on comparisons to Marino and others.

    I like him though. A lot. Good pick for the Raiders, stabilizing a position that’s been a mess for awhile.

    He’s got some Favre in him though. Likes to sling that ball around whether he needs to or not. Raiders on a good trajectory though. Should be fun to see how the next few years pan out.

  15. Whether he’s the next Marino or not, the Raiders, hate to admit it as I might, really hit the ball outta the park with him. Hopefully they can continue to build around him.

  16. And Marino is the whiniest QB to have ever played. Hell, Cam aint got nothing on Marino. According to Marino, every interception he threw was the wide receivers fault.

  17. badbabyjane says:

    Didn’t Marino go to the SB his first or second year? Has Carr even had a winning year?? Yeah, Carr is as good as Marino! LOL!
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    Marino had a HOF coach. 98% of NFL fans would have to google to find out who the current raiders coach is.

  18. Feb 14, 2016 5:27 PM

    Hasn’t Carr played for two different head coaches in two years? Hmmmmmm.

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    actually its 3, makes the stats even more impressive.

  19. #13 didn’t start for about the first half of 1983 season, he still did very good for a rookie…as far as a ring goes I would say its a team sport, and without the proper support you will not win, think about, if Denver had my team defense they would lose with Payton, or Tom Brady. Bill

  20. Smack in the face to call Aaron Rogers A-Rod and Im not a packers fan.. Rogers did sit on the bench for a bit before he threw 58 TDs in 2 seasons.. Just a bit..

  21. Needs more weapons and a better running back. Personally more worried about the nfl sticking it to the raiders more than anything

  22. one of al davis’ biggest mistakes was to pass on dan marino for don mosebar in the draft. davis got cheated by the league and blocked from getting john elway in a trade. derek carr is more of a brett favre -daryle lamonica type QB. 2 more raiders drafts and a new stadium will propel carr to the top of the list of elite young QB’s along with andrew luck.

  23. Statistics mean ? The team Just needs to win the games. For example- Cam Has lots of first five year milestones, but he and the rest of the panthers choked in the big one. Pound harder “hog mollies”. Try harder Oakland!

  24. I hate to interrupt the lovefest, but the rules have changed over the years to favor the offense.

    Raiderfan

  25. Hasn’t Carr played for two different head coaches in two years? Hmmmmmm.

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    actually its 3, makes the stats even more impressive.
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    A Coach Killer is impressive? Suit yourself. Who will be the Raiders HC in two years?? Wont be Rio!

  26. senordiaz says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:54 PM

    Finally, finally….It’s been a longtime, but a winning season is just barely upon us. This young man is going to reignite this franchise and place it back where it was for DECADES, at the top….Get ready Raider Fans and we can all enjoy this trip….GO RAIDERS!!!
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    Like it or not, love them or hate them … the NFL is better when the Raiders are good.

  27. Carr seems like the real deal. Like Kirk Cousins he just needs more talent around him.
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    Carr has a better rb and wr than anything on the Skins. Carr needs more excuses.

  28. As a Browns fan I was really wanting Carr last year . then I threw up when I saw they drafted the entitled little weasel Manziel ..

    Blown pick after blown pick when do they ever get it right ? die hard Browns fan since 67 .

    bangs head against wall

  29. Met the young fella when his big bro was a first round draft pick. He was a very polite and respectful kid. Very happy to see him doing well and I’m rooting for his future success.

  30. Now if the Browns could just pick a decent QB. Maybe they should wait until the later rounds (Carr-2nd round, Wilson-3rd round, Cousins-4th round) to get a decent QB.

  31. That’s not only great news for The Raiders, it’s also great news for football.

    We need these young hot shots to emerge and establish themselves in the sport.

    We’re looking at the end of Peyton Manning’s career. Drew Brees and Tom Brady are heading into their sunset (or at least late afternoon ) seasons.

    So, it’s good to see Derek Carr, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgwater, Bortles, Jameis Winston and others show reliable and brilliant play.

    They’ll be making football exciting to watch no matter who they play for. Let’s cheer them all on.

  32. JSpicoli says:
    Feb 14, 2016 5:53 PM

    I hate to interrupt the lovefest, but the rules have changed over the years to favor the offense.

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    The major rules changes – which crippled defenses in order to inflate QB/WR stats – were made in 1978. So QBs like Marino and Montana benefited as much from those rules as any QB playing today.

  33. The Texans are not the biggest fools for passing on Carr, the Cardinals are. He’s a perfect fit for Arians’ offense and Carson Palmer was 35 years old and… well, Carson Palmer. But genius coach Arians decided to take a safety that they have to play as a 225lb Mike.

    Great pick by those geniuses Keim and Arians.

  34. aldavisisthenfl says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:55 PM
    “I can’t believe that the packers passed on him twice to select another pair of busts!”

    Because the guy the Packers used to employ in that dept. now works for us as GM……..

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    When the Raiduhs win as consistently as the Packers do, and have 13 championship trophies as the Packers do, then you can run your mouth, Raiduh fan.
    Until then, you better focus on trying to win your division for the first time since 2002.
    And just so you know, there’s a game they play at the very end called the Super Bowl. You probably haven’t heard of it because the Raiduhs haven’t been there since 2002, when they lost.
    Unless they bought a ticket or worked the concession stands, of course.

  35. I said it when he was drafted…..he was the best QB coming out of college that year and he will own the AFC West for years to come.
    Cleveland got Johnny Screwball and the Vikes took Teddy “tiny hands” and the Jags are……well the Jags

    Raiders Scored

    Go Dogs

  36. maiphatdong says:
    Feb 14, 2016 5:41 PM
    Marino never won a super bowl
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    Wow – really?? Never heard that before. Whenever they talk about Marino, that never gets mentioned.

  37. “Brighten the mood of Raider fans”????

    Not sure what planet your from MDS but Raider fans moods are all great. We had a better than expected season, team is on the rise, has a young core, plenty of money to spend in FA, and all our draft picks plus a couple. Yes Carr had a good season and left plenty more out there. He should have had more! He’s young and is only getting better! Poor choice of words MDS. If your referring to stadium issues, I have news for you, RAIDER NATION IS WORLDWIDE!!! It doesn’t matter where they play, you will see Raider hats and flags everywhere. (But let’s stay in Oakland boys)

  38. Impressive all around. But I think the game was much harder for passing when Marino did it. 20TD/6INT his first year is amazing. His second season of 48TD/17 INT is insane.

    First 2 Years

    Marino
    23 INT
    23 Sacks

    Peyton
    43 INT
    19 Sacks

    Carr
    25 Int
    55 Sacks

  39. Statistics mean ? The team Just needs to win the games. For example- Cam Has lots of first five year milestones, but he and the rest of the panthers choked in the big one. Pound harder “hog mollies”. Try harder Oakland!

    I can see the QB play of these two leveling out. Although Oak. will not be playoff bound with a losing record anytime soon.

  40. The Raiders have what appears to be a very good QB — congrats Raiders fans.

    And just imagine how bad all those Packer fans trashing Teddy Bridgewater above must feel if their team and MVP QB couldn’t even win the NFCN against the guy. One of the symptoms of those lousy feelings must must be trashing the Vikings in articles on teams from other conferences.

  41. Disgusts me at the thought Browns fans boo’d this guy, and cheered Manziel.

    I would’ve taken Carr #1.

  42. dejc421 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:00 PM

    Like it or not, love them or hate them … the NFL is better when the Raiders are good.
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    The NFL has been great for the last 20 years, so I say the NFL doesn’t give a damn whether the Raiders are relevant or not.

    Neither do most fans.

  43. purpleguy says:
    Feb 14, 2016 7:55 PM
    The Raiders have what appears to be a very good QB — congrats Raiders fans.

    And just imagine how bad all those Packer fans trashing Teddy Bridgewater above must feel if their team and MVP QB couldn’t even win the NFCN against the guy. One of the symptoms of those lousy feelings must must be trashing the Vikings in articles on teams from other conferences.

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    And the Packers still went further in the playoffs than the Queens did.

  44. Typical Raider fan : Next year is our year! We are SO close!

    The same thing has been said every season for more than 15 years.

    And yet we are all still here. I’m guessing you’re a typical front runner. Who are you a “die hard” fan of next year, dill-hole?

  45. To the poster that said the bulk of the rule changes favoring QBs and Wideouts occured in 1978, BS!!!! Even none other than Joe Montana (ever heard of him) has said on many occasions that the rules today and when he played are unrecognizable as the defense has been neutered. LOL at homer raider fans that will say anything to make their trainwreck organization look good.

  46. I love it. Not only is he an excellent young player on the rise, he’s a Christian family man with morals, unlike another AFC West QB thats soon to be retired and who according to NY Daily News is a sexual predator/goodie 2 shows phony.

    Keep rising to the top Carr, RAIDER NATION LOVES YOU!

  47. The reason why he fell so far was his last name.

    Having a relative like a brother be in NFL is little value in predicting the success of an NFL player. Look at the Gronkowski brothers. Look at Rodgers brother. Look at Carson Palmer and Jordan Palmer.

    Basically the draft is always a crap-shoot. Sometimes Genetics hits one family member and not another.

    It can be used to justify passing on someone or taking someone too high.

    In this case, most teams in the NFL were pretty dumb and assumed David Carr’s struggles were a sign of Derek being a bust. They failed to look at him objectively.

    They maybe didn’t take into account the Texans did everything wrong, failing to draft offensive players to lineman to rushing him into the lineup. But yeah, he was “a bust.” The pressure on Derek would have been awful if he had gone to the Texans, and now they have to realize they blew it badly, so kudos to the Carr family for a little payback.

    So Browns take Manziel despite red flags-lack of an NFL skill set and a terrible attitude. With a first round pick!! The Browns had actually spent a fair amount of money on a complicated analytics model that said Bridgewater would be better. They still took Manziel.

    Vikings take Bridgewater later at end of 1st round. The jury is very much out on Bridgewater, but at least he isn’t going to drink or domestic violence himself out of the league. And made the playoffs.

    Carr goes to the 2nd round.

    Johnny Football needs to pray for rehab, a release from the Browns and a fresh start. But he’ll never make it unless he wants to work for it. He apparently never did in college and got away with it. Probably didn’t help he had far more people covering for him at Texas A&M than people realized.

    The rest is history.

    I just wish the Jets had passed on Geno and took Carr the next year. Heck, Joe Philbin wanted to dump Ryan Tanenhill and take Carr in that draft. Philbin is gone from Miami and Tanenhill has to prove that was a good idea.

  48. I get that nobody wants to compare decades.
    If we were comparing, we’d have to mention Chuck Nolls complaints to the league that the Raiders played way too rough. Really. Look it up.
    Carr is going to be good. Let’s give him that.

  49. I think you need to be an idiot to gain entry to the NFL draft because, outside of many many other examples I saw on TV, I saw and heard Browns fans there lose their minds with a roar of approval when Cleveland TRADE UP to select Manziel over Carr.

  50. PHONY! Go sniff around the fresno campus and listen to the rumors about Carr. Lets just say he mite have a few more kids running around then he cares to tell about. Him and Danny do have one thing in common but it has to do with what they put up there nose.

  51. @orandegadsen :
    I’m not necessarily a Derek Carr supporter, but I am curious to know how drug rumors and rumors of out-of wedlock- babies somehow relate to the fact that he has 53 TD’s over 2 seasons.

  52. This is flawed because it only accounts for passing TDs.

    Cam had 62 total TDs in his first 2 years.
    Luck had 59
    Wilson had 57

    All higher than Carr’s 53 total TDs.

    The kid is doing well but he is not up to the level of some of the other young QBs in the league.

  53. Slander could get some one in big trouble (Orandegadsen ), I would only say that if I had Proof. Bill…What do you say Mike?

  54. I feel he will end up being the best QB in the draft that year, he has great arm strength, and a GM that just finshed up cleaning up the mess from the previous group. They have a WR that has potential to be an elite WR in 2 or 3 years, and some good young players like Mack as well. Replacing Woodson is going to be one of the tougher tasks this off-season.

  55. badbabyjane says:
    Feb 14, 2016 5:17 PM
    Aren’t the NFL rules so much more liberal today for QB’s and wide receivers than back when Marino was a young QB???

    Yeah, Carr is as good as Marino. LOL!

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    Agreed. Carr is doing well and I’m happy for the Raiders, but to say he’s on track to be the next Dan Marino because he threw a lot of TD passes in his first 2 seasons is a little premature.

    At this point, I would say Carr is “above average.” From the very beginning Marino was obviously on track to be a legend though.

  56. Just the rumors I’ve heard,look at Peyton all that stuff has been out forever,just like his incident in the superdome parking lot,him and the weather chick in Indy,I can go on at least Peyton doesn’t tell everyone how religious and holy is tho…

  57. For those who keep comparing TB and DC’s TD stats…..all others and the 2 are very close…..the 2 QBs play in 2 very different Offenses. The Vikings are one of a very few….if there are truly any others….teams who are a run first team. Also, hasn’t anyone noticed that since the 2 QBs have joined the League and as Starters, TB and his Vikings are undefeated against the Raiders? Another humerous bash is on TB’s so called inability to throw the deep ball but, in College he showed that he does have the ability to throw deep. What he had there, that he hasn’t had in Minnesota…yet…is a deep threat WR. The Vikings just signed the fastest WR that played in the CFL and, they are also rumoured to be looking at drafting a top flight WR, with wheels, height and, hands to give TB that weapon. I guess you Teddy bashers missed the Pro Bowl where Teddy had a couple of spot on deep balls and, one even going for a TD. Teddy is leading the Viking Offense as it’s given to him by his OC and, because of a TEAM effort….if the Raiders had gone 11-5 Carr would have got all the glory…the Vikings did go 11-5 and won the NFC North away from Green Bay and, were a missed chip shot FG away from a Playoff victory over the Seahawks. Carr will be an elite NFL QB one day…as well as Bortles AND Bridgewater! Yes, Carr threw more TDs than Teddy BUT, Teddy is 3-0 against Carr and the Raiders AND, Teddy and the Vikings have a Division Championship and a Playoff trip and Carr and the Raiders……don’t.

  58. Carr has said that he was wild when he got to Fresno State and did things he regrets. People grow up and they change. That is what Christ can do for you. Great to see him in Silver and Black. Carr’s and the Raider’s future is bright. Playoffs next season or bust. Just a few more pieces added to the team and they could be elite for a long time. Put that in your Raider hating pipe and smoke it!

  59. Welcome to Baltimore. Ravens will be back on track as usual. Good luck making the playoffs. You have to beat the Chiefs and Broncos and LA chargers. Including the AFCE and AFCN for a wildcard. Ravens will take care of those two dirty teams in the AFCN. You do realize you get the lousy AFCS and NFCS but have to travel? Your road and home schedules are favorable though.

  60. And this means????? yeap… NOTHING.

    I LOVE it when people say ‘well this guy did this and he is doing it too and the other guy was great so that means… ‘

    STUPID…. Carr is not in the same league as Marino.. not yet… when he plays for as long then we can talk until then… NO.

  61. ukviking1 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 9:45 PM
    For those who keep comparing TB and DC’s TD stats…..all others and the 2 are very close…..the 2 QBs play in 2 very different Offenses. The Vikings are one of a very few….if there are truly any others….teams who are a run first team
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    Being undefeated against the Raiders isn’t a huge accomplishment as of late, and it means even less seeing as 2 of those games were in the Pre-season.

    If Mike Wallace isn’t a deep threat WR I don’t know what is… he practically stole money from the Phins based on that. What Theodore doesn’t have in the Pros that he did in college is a WR leaving a DB in the dust consistently so he can heave it up there, he was only had to worry about an incompletion not a Turnover… this is the NFL that seperation doesn’t happen as much, which why he needs to work on anticipation.

    Apples to Apples Carr is a better QB. It just so hapens that for now Theodore is on the better TEAM… but the Raiders aren’t as far behind as you think, and with Manning retiring soon, the Chargers being incositent, they are building a team that will be able to contend for the AFC West for several of the upcoming seasons.

  62. Who’s going to win Super Bowl first, Teddy or Carr? Every one knows Vikings are going to win multiple Super Bowls before the Raiders even get to sniff it. Teddy is way better, just watch when Vikings get better o line and unleash Teddy the beast. Oh, and who win when these two teams faced each other? I guess it’s Carr when the score board showed Vikings 34 Raiders 14. Lol

  63. Teddy and Carr are both great QBs

    The difference is that the Vikings are in a Rush first offense.

    I wish Norv Turner would unleash the long ball like the Raiders OC does.

  64. Teddy Bridgewater hasn’t shown greatness in any form. In his time to shine, in the final regular season game against Green Bay, Bridgewater threw for 99 yards and an INT. The Vikings won despite his poor play.

    And then in the playoffs, he threw for 146 and 0 TD’s on a day when AP could do nothing. The great ones typically rise to the occasion at some point, and in two opportunities in a row, Teddy Bridgewater failed miserably. Sorry, that’s not great.

    It’s hard to call any QB after two years “great”, but it’s quite clear that Carr has a bigger upside than Bridgewater.

    Then again, if 14 TD’s (8 of those against the Bears and Lions), 9 INT’s, 200 YPG, and leading the 2nd worst passing attack in the league is great, than this league has 30 other times with simply amazing quarterback play.

    Also, Teddy’s TD percentage is 31st in the league. The fact is, he doesn’t throw a lot of TD passes, even when adjust for the amount of passes that he throws.

    For comparison, Teddy threw 14 TD’s on 447 attempts. Andy Dalton threw 25 on 386 attempts, and Tyrod Taylor threw 20 on 380 attempts. I don’t hear anyone calling those guys great, but somehow Bridgewater is, after 2 seasons.

    Bridgewater may yet be a great QB. He’s clearly not right now, and he’s a liability to his team. All he had to do was get in the end zone once against Seattle rather than leave every score on his kicker’s leg.

  65. grizzly224 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 9:27 PM

    This is flawed because it only accounts for passing TDs.

    Cam had 62 total TDs in his first 2 years.
    Luck had 59
    Wilson had 57

    All higher than Carr’s 53 total TDs.

    The kid is doing well but he is not up to the level of some of the other young QBs in the league
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    Best comment in this thread.

    Why all the different agendas?
    At what point does the OP say that Carr is as good, or the next Marino? Such a waste of so many posts… It’s a testament to an organization that has been in the dumps for a long time and finally found a team that can draft fairly well.
    Murray, Coop, Roberts, Gabe Jackson, Mack, Carrie, and even Menelik will be a fine swing and Mario will be a good rotational guy.
    Not an Oakland fan, but give them what they’ve earned.

  66. I watched his rookie preseason game against the defending Super Bowl champs Seahawks. At one point Sherman looked at Thomas like, “Who the [bleep] is this kid?”

    If you can frustrate Sherman, you’re pretty damn good.

  67. I really like Derek Carr, and truly believe that he will have an excellent career.

    I just feel that Teddy Bridgewater fits the Vikings needs better, and that he too will have a great career. You might not see the statistical best of Bridgewater until Peterson is no longer the focal point of the offense – be that through him not being on the team, or Father Time finally catching up with him.

    Carr on the other hand is already the focal point for the Raiders offense, and I must say that he is exciting to watch.

    Several have suggested that Teddy is Baby Hands Skinny Knees Noodle Armed Bustwater – but he is OUR Baby Hands Skinny Knees Noodle Armed Bustwater… and I for one wouldn’t change that for anything!!!

  68. autumnwind87 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:59 PM
    And he’s a better man than he his a football player.

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    This is the conundrum. Good kid. He ended up going to the most evil fan base in the league. Once the Raiders hit LA, they went from Pirates, to something evil and sinister. The fans seem to embrace it. This kid is as pure as the driven snow. It seemed like a bad fit. But the kid seems above it. What remains to be seen is if he can transform that fan base. That would be something.

  69. badbabyjane says:
    Feb 14, 2016 8:20 PM

    To the poster that said the bulk of the rule changes favoring QBs and Wideouts occured in 1978, BS!!!! Even none other than Joe Montana (ever heard of him) has said on many occasions that the rules today and when he played are unrecognizable as the defense has been neutered. LOL at homer raider fans that will say anything to make their trainwreck organization look good.

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    I don’t care a bit about what Montana says to stroke his own ego. Facts are facts. Prior to 1978 DBs could get away with lots of pushing of WRs beyond any kind of ‘5 yard chuck zone’ whereas from 1978 onward even incidental contact beyond 5 yards is automatic pass interference. And prior to 1978 the head-slap was still legal for D-linemen. And prior to 1978 o-linemen would be called for holding for most of the ‘blocking’ tactics used since that time.

    Ever hear of QBs like Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas (GOAT) or Roger Staubach? As for the highly touted QBs of the 1980s …if Montana had played under the same pre-1978 rules as QBs like those I doubt that he would be so highly touted as he is. Same goes for Marino. And also the Donkey fans’ hero, John Elway.

  70. Blake Bortles In his first two years has 46 passing TDs and has more passing yards than Derek Carr in less games played by him. So I hope my man get his due as well.

  71. Teddy is a fine QB for a heavy running team, but he is really yet to prove he can cary a team throwing the ball. Carr has shown us way better arm talent so far.

    There are a couple throws he made last year that where simply Favre-like. Go watch the TD to Crabtree end of 1st half of the 1st Raiders/Chiefs game. Jaw dropping stuff.

  72. Round 1

    Houston Texans Jadeveon Clowney
    Jacksonville Jaguars Blake Bortles

    Round 2

    Houston Texans Xavier Su’a-Filo
    Oakland Raiders Derek Carr

  73. Texans didnt trade him because his brother had a poor career with them after they didnt give him an offensive line, and never had any time to throw it and became shell shocked. The Browns passed on him because they take personnel decisions from homeless people, and the Vikings are doing well with Bridgewater but their offense would be less conservative with Carr. Great pick by da Raidas.

  74. He has the potential to be great.. BUT he also has the potential to be a Jay Cutler type.. He needs to work on his mechanics and set his feet! Don’t throw off of the back foot… Future looks bright…

  75. If Houston would’ve snagged Mack and Carr, they’d be looking pretty good right about now..

  76. I can’t believe the Vikings picked Teddy over Carr. On second thought, I shouldn’t be surprised. That’s why they never win a championship.

  77. I have to laugh at the goobers slagging the Vikings and Bridgewater. The Raiders with Carr were 7-9 the past season. The Vikings were 11-5. In 2014, the Raiders were 3-13, Vikings were 7-9.

    Yeah, huge QB stats mean a lot.

  78. It’s even more impressive when you factor in the division he plays in, and that 4 games into his rookie season he endured a coaching change along with a HORRIBLE group of WR’s his rookie year.

    His rookie year he played the Broncos and Chiefs twice, @ Jets, Texans, @ Patriots, Cards, @ Seahawks, @ Rams, Niners, Bills.

    Crazy hard schedule.

  79. i hate the raiders, but found myself rooting for this guy most of the time. good player and even a better person. Best of luck Derek.
    – charger fan.

  80. Please stop the Dan Marino comparisons – he seems like a really solid young QB but its way to early to start talking about him being an all time great.

  81. So, it’s good to see Derek Carr, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgwater, Bortles, Jameis Winston and others show reliable and brilliant play.

    They’ll be making football exciting to watch no matter who they play for. Let’s cheer them all on.

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    I’ve been preaching this all year to my friends. Im excited to see what Carr and Winston have in store next year

  82. In my humble opinion I think it really takes 4 years to evaluate the progress and development of a QB in the NFL. With that said, halfway through the developmental process he looks like one of the best young QB’s in the league. Glas to have him in Silver and Black. Now lets solidify the O-line to take care of him. If it is true that Donald Penn’s agent told Reggie if you not talking at least 8 million per season don’t bother calling, I would consider giving Cordy Glenn a call if he does not get tagged.

    Also call Janoris Jenkins, Eric Weddle, and one of the Bronco’s LB’s. Go Raiders…..Go Reggie!

  83. boknowsall says:
    Feb 14, 2016 5:46 PM

    Carr will win a Super Bowl
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    So the Raiders are going to trade him to a contender?

  84. suckafree9rs415 says:
    Feb 15, 2016 4:56 PM

    10 wins in two years??
    Only stat that matters.
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    If you’re evaluating a team in total, yes.

    But not if you’re evaluating individual players, or even sides of the ball.

    A QB has a lot to do with what the offense does.

    But he can’t control what the defense does.

    Look at Teddy Bridgewater- his won-lost record is courtesy of a great defense, not by his own doing. You put a great QB on that team, along with the best running back in the league, and they would more likely have been competing for a Super Bowl berth. They may even have had a first round bye.

    The Jaguars had the 31st ranked defense. Do you think the Jaguars have a better record with a better defense?

    I don’t understand why people attribute W-L records to QB’s. You may as well attribute it to a MLB or a left tackle.. Won-lost is a team stat, not a QB stat.

    It wasn’t Dan Marino’s fault that he couldn’t win a Super Bowl. Much lesser QB’s have done so. He didn’t have the right team around him, and some teams were just better. The people on this site act is if a Super Bowl is just a foregone conclusion for a great team. It’s not that easy.

  85. broncosrchamps says:
    Feb 15, 2016 3:38 PM

    Carr is passing the early test. But now he will be expected to win 10 plus games a year.
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    Agreed. So far you have to like what you see two years into his career, but at some point it has to start translating into wins.

    3 wins- rookie season
    7 wins – 2nd year

    If he gets them 9-10 wins his third year I have to concede he was the best QB of that draft for certain, and one of the best young QBs in the NFL.

  86. Happy about the accomplishment but need to seriously build from here. Would love for him to be a top 3 QB in the league for the rest of his career but we have to be in the playoffs more often.. plus 1 or 2 Super Bowls! 😉

  87. Not to take anything away from Dan, but lets not forget that Marino had Mark Clayton, and Mark Duper in place when he got there. They had Don Shula in place. Plus the Dolphins were dominating the AFC East for years, and were in the Super Bowl the year before Marino got there. I think it would be fair to say Marino was in a better situation when he started out then Carr was.

  88. I’d say this says more about the state of the NFL and the passing-mania than any indication of proof that Derek Carr will be a first ballot HOF’er

  89. If you watched many Raiders games you’ll have noticed that he accomplished all this with a bad OL that couldn’t provide him any significant running game help and inadequate protection, along with amazingly inconsistent WRs. If they improve the team around him, he’s going to be a good one for a long time.

    I agree that he is a bit of a gunslinger, but with that crappy OL he kind of has to be at this point.

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