Skip to content

Revisiting Denver’s cap penalties from the 1990s

635819694978710596-GettyImages-249425-master Getty Images

A Sunday replay of Super Bowl XXXII on NFL Network included post-game podium interviews by Greg Gumbel, then of NBC. And when Gumbel turned to the Denver head coach, Mike Shanahan said this: “I thank [owner] Pat Bowlen for giving the opportunity to compete, [he] gave us all the financial resources to get this thing done.”

Indeed, Shanahan had plenty of financial resources to win the Super Bowl. He actually had more than the rules allowed.

It’s another pre-social media football scandal that not only has become forgotten but also never received the attention it would have experienced if it happened today. Through two separate punishments, the Broncos lost a total of $1.918 million and two-third round draft picks for a series of salary-cap violations in the 1990s.

The first punishment, a $968,000 fine and the forfeiture of a third-round pick, came in December 2001, due to $29 million in deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis. The second punishment, a $950,00 fine and another lost third-round pick, for cap violations that occurred between 1996 and 1998. The Broncos won the Super Bowl at the end of the 1997 and 1998 seasons.

The Broncos claimed at the time that no competitive advantage was gained from the violations; the league did not directly address that topic in announcing the settlement of a proceeding brought by the NFL’s Management Council against the Broncos.

Al Davis, the late owner of the Raiders, repeatedly argued that Bowlen should be suspended for the violations. After that epic 2008 overhead-projector press conference held in conjunction with the firing of former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin, Davis said that the Broncos should have asterisks applied to their championships “because they were caught cheating.”

The good news for the Broncos is that a generation has passed since those infractions. The better news is that no asterisk can be applied to the latest Lombardi Trophy that the team has secured.

Permalink 149 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Denver Broncos, Home, Oakland Raiders, Rumor Mill
149 Responses to “Revisiting Denver’s cap penalties from the 1990s”
  1. youknowiknowitall says: Feb 14, 2016 1:10 PM

    Can’t wait to hear how orangeandblueownstheNFL rationalizes this.

    Since she’s no hypocrite, I’m sure we would all be correct in assuming that even she would agree that there should asterisks applied to everything DEN has ever “won”.

  2. joetoronto says: Feb 14, 2016 1:12 PM

    It’s clear as day that the NFL plays favorites and always has, there’s nothing fair about the league at all.

  3. vietnambob2473 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:12 PM

    Broncos win super vowl, oh let’s dig up 20 year old stories that aren’t relevant to today

  4. gregbrotz95 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM

    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.

  5. ch1ggs says: Feb 14, 2016 1:15 PM

    Hey, the Denver Broncos won the Super Bowl. Let’s see what comes crawling out from under each rock we overturn.

    We’re the media; we’re truth and justice for a dark world!

  6. typicalnipple says: Feb 14, 2016 1:19 PM

    One has to wonder the types of penalties Big John Football was experiencing in the 90’s.

  7. dwhcic says: Feb 14, 2016 1:23 PM

    They were punished way too lightly. Blatant cheaters.

  8. mototax says: Feb 14, 2016 1:25 PM

    youknowiknowitall says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:10 PM

    Can’t wait to hear how orangeandblueownstheNFL rationalizes this.

    =====

    Nothing to rationalize. Broncos broke rules and got fine near $2 million and lost picks. We can probably put an asterisk beside every championship of every team if we dig deep enough.

  9. sonhoodoo says: Feb 14, 2016 1:25 PM

    Let’s see, those two Super Bowls have always been tainted. This isn’t the first time it has ben brought up and this wasn’t some misinterpretation of a rule. It was straight up cheating by being able to sign more talented players.
    Now, Peyton, the sexual predator, is also a PED user, but that is OK, because as you know, Archie says so and Archie is an ignorant old racist hick so we surely should believe him.
    And just exactly how many PED infractions have the Broncos had since 2012 anyway? What is it now 5? 6? 8? I have lost count and I am not sure if they are actually counting Peyton in there as well. Regardless, I think it is pretty safe to assume Taleb is on PEDs. This guy gets injured as often as a millennial gets outraged and he finally made it all the way to the end of a season. Sure. I would bet most if not all the Denver D is on PEDs too. They have caught a lot of them. I think over half the starting 11 have been suspended for PEDs.

    So, yeah, the Broncos cheat. But, that’s OK, because, Super Bowl!

  10. worldizending says: Feb 14, 2016 1:26 PM

    vietnambob2473 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:12 PM
    Broncos win super vowl, oh let’s dig up 20 year old stories that aren’t relevant to today
    ——————————————————
    So it’s okay to dredge up ancient dirt on the Patriots, but not okay to expose the skeletons in the Denver closets. I get it.

  11. fishyinalittledishy says: Feb 14, 2016 1:26 PM

    Does this mean the engraver needs to add a couple of astrex’s to the Lombardi while he is etching on the current Borncos.

  12. dejc421 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:28 PM

    vietnambob2473 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:12 PM

    Broncos win super vowl, oh let’s dig up 20 year old stories that aren’t relevant to today
    ________________
    yeah sure … like spygate, steelers steroids in the 70’s, etc. expect nothing else and deal with it.

  13. ch1ggs says: Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM

    sonhoodoo says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:25 PM
    Let’s see, those two Super Bowls have always been tainted. This isn’t the first time it has ben brought up and this wasn’t some misinterpretation of a rule. It was straight up cheating by being able to sign more talented players.
    Now, Peyton, the sexual predator, is also a PED user, but that is OK, because as you know, Archie says so and Archie is an ignorant old racist hick so we surely should believe him.

    And just exactly how many PED infractions have the Broncos had since 2012 anyway? What is it now 5? 6? 8? I have lost count and I am not sure if they are actually counting Peyton in there as well. Regardless, I think it is pretty safe to assume Taleb is on PEDs. This guy gets injured as often as a millennial gets outraged and he finally made it all the way to the end of a season. Sure. I would bet most if not all the Denver D is on PEDs too. They have caught a lot of them. I think over half the starting 11 have been suspended for PEDs.

    So, yeah, the Broncos cheat. But, that’s OK, because, Super Bowl!

    ——————————–

    Look, kids, this is what happens to someone when they let blind hatred for a sports franchise affect their overall well-being.

    Side note: I hope you don’t practice law or are in law enforcement.

  14. edelmanfanclub says: Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM

    gregbrotz95 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM
    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.
    ____________

    The point isn’t whether one is worse than the other, the point is the double standard against New England. There isnt a cult following of trolls that comment on every denver article calling them cheaters and calling their titles “tainted.” There isnt a witch hunt for Peyton Manning using HGH. The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.

  15. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM

    gregbrotz95 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM
    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.
    ___________________________
    You’re right, this is worse than anything the Pats have ever done!

    But don’t forget to include the other things like the Broncos leading the league in PED violations over the past 10 years, filming the San Francisco walk throughs in 2010, lineman being fined for using foreign substances on their arms in 1998, etc.

    As a Pats fan, I honestly don’t care about these things. But what I do care about is the unbelievable hypocrisy that took place this past year branding Tom Brady as a cheater for being “generally aware” of football deflation that never happened (i.e. yes NFL, the ideal gas law is a real thing),

  16. mongo3401 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:33 PM

    IMO every NFL team skirts the rules/cheats, in one form or another. We just hear about the ones that get caught. Same goes for the larger D1 football programs. It’s a part of life now

  17. patsbrat says: Feb 14, 2016 1:34 PM

    Yeah, this is old news. What stands out to me in this telling is the punishments – pre-Goodell era. If this were to happen today the penalties would be much harsher.

  18. surfinbird1 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:39 PM

    How about the years they cheated and didn’t win. Elite cheaters.

  19. stealthscorpio says: Feb 14, 2016 1:41 PM

    “The better news is that no asterisk can be applied to the latest Lombardi Trophy that the team has secured.” – At least that we know of…I thought you were a lawyer???

  20. ch1ggs says: Feb 14, 2016 1:46 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM
    —————————————–
    You’re right, this is worse than anything the Pats have ever done!

    But don’t forget to include the other things like the Broncos leading the league in PED violations over the past 10 years, filming the San Francisco walk throughs in 2010, lineman being fined for using foreign substances on their arms in 1998, etc.

    As a Pats fan, I honestly don’t care about these things. But what I do care about is the unbelievable hypocrisy that took place this past year branding Tom Brady as a cheater for being “generally aware” of football deflation that never happened (i.e. yes NFL, the ideal gas law is a real thing),
    ——————————–

    Great response, Rolf!

    Just tell me one thing: Who was the Broncos head coach during Spygate 2 and where did he originate from?

    Bonus question: Who was the guy filming the 49’ers during their practice session?

    (answers below)

    1. Josh McDaniels/The New England Patriots
    2. Steve Scarnecchia/The New England Patriots

    Thanks for playing, Rolf!

  21. edelmanfanclub says: Feb 14, 2016 1:49 PM

    @ch1ggs

    Thats like saying the Giants and Browns are cheaters because Belichick used to coach for them. Dumbest response ever.

  22. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:56 PM

    ch1ggs says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:46 PM
    ___________________
    You are correct, McDaniels and Scarnecchia were employees of the Patriots when they were caught filming coaching signals from the “wrong location” in the stadium. They should have filmed from the coaches booth instead and there would have been no such thing as “spy” gate.

    So do you think filming coaches signals from the wrong location is worse than these salary cap violations that the Broncos committed, and led to their Super Bowl victories?

    Still want to play?

  23. ch1ggs says: Feb 14, 2016 1:56 PM

    edelmanfanclub says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:49 PM
    @ch1ggs

    Thats like saying the Giants and Browns are cheaters because Belichick used to coach for them. Dumbest response ever.

    ——————————
    No, it’s really not saying that at all. He used Spygate 2 as an example of the Broncos being cheaters (historically), which is fair game.

    What is also fair game is pointing out that both McDaniels and Scarnecchia have clear ties to the New England Patriots–the franchise which will forever be linked to Spygate.

    I mean, Scarnecchia was the guy doing the videotape stuff for New England.

    If you can’t follow along, well, that’s on you.

  24. taintedsaints2009 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:57 PM

    You sure about the asterisk claim? What about the hgh growing scandal?

  25. cinzano08 says: Feb 14, 2016 1:59 PM

    Comical how Broncos fans gloss over their number 1 ranking on myteamcheats.com yet all last year they were trying to hang Brady for air in a ball that’s been proven by a judge and this years stats to not be a competitive advantage. Must be the smoke in the air up there. Classless organization that’s gotten off lightly by NFL and refs over the years.

  26. sodakdh says: Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM

    Keep crying.

  27. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM

    edelmanfanclub says:

    The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.
    ———————————————————-
    A) It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public. It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team. Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.

    But you’re not a genius, you’re a Patriots fan.

    B) Brady’s suspension was not vacated by a liberal Union owned judge because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.

    But nice try.

  28. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:06 PM

    @ch1ggs

    Is this one fair game from 2013, on your Super Bowl MVP – or will you try to tie this one to the Pats as well?

    “League sources said that linebacker Von Miller unsuccessfully attempted to corrupt the NFL’s drug-testing program with the help of a urine collector before each was caught. Miller originally received a four game suspension, but when he appealed, this information was discovered and it was increased to six games.”

  29. ch1ggs says: Feb 14, 2016 2:07 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:56 PM
    ch1ggs says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:46 PM
    ___________________
    You are correct, McDaniels and Scarnecchia were employees of the Patriots when they were caught filming coaching signals from the “wrong location” in the stadium. They should have filmed from the coaches booth instead and there would have been no such thing as “spy” gate.

    So do you think filming coaches signals from the wrong location is worse than these salary cap violations that the Broncos committed, and led to their Super Bowl victories?

    Still want to play?
    ———————————-

    Oh, so now it’s about which franchise is worse when it comes to cheating?

    Rolf, all I’ll say is this: clearly both the Broncos and Patriots are two ultra-competitive teams that push the envelope–and break it–in order to win. There’s just no denying it.

    In terms of breaking this down to a points system based on overall unethical behavior, I have no interest.

    For what it’s worth, Deflategate is stupid, and while there might have been tons of Broncos fans on this site rejoicing over it, you can at least sit back and enjoy some karmic retribution (although, it’s not like it was John Elway making that call to the Ravens last year).

  30. stampnhawk says: Feb 14, 2016 2:10 PM

    As an aside, I miss the days of having no social media. The PC crowd is left to stew in its own juices or write to the local paper when minor things occur that some vocal minority wants to make a bigger deal of.

  31. lscore says: Feb 14, 2016 2:10 PM

    =====

    Nothing to rationalize. Broncos broke rules and got fine near $2 million and lost picks. We can probably put an asterisk beside every championship of every team if we dig deep enough.

    =====

    First you said there was nothing to rationalize…and you then rationalized.

  32. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:11 PM

    gregbrotz95 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM

    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.
    _______________________________________

    Because it is! PROVEN…FACT…NOT OPINION!

    PROVEN truth hurts. far more than Crybaby Accusations!

    Kiss The RingS!…Cheaters!

  33. factman66 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:12 PM

    The missing information always tells the entire story. The deferred compensation was serving the purpose of resolving cash flow problems due to a new stadium being constructed. It was still a rules violation but its not like they were filming other teams practices or ransacking visitors licker rooms for information.

  34. factman66 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:13 PM

    *locker rooms

  35. boogerhut says: Feb 14, 2016 2:19 PM

    edelmanfanclub says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM
    gregbrotz95 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM
    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.
    ____________

    The point isn’t whether one is worse than the other, the point is the double standard against New England. There isnt a cult following of trolls that comment on every denver article calling them cheaters and calling their titles “tainted.” There isnt a witch hunt for Peyton Manning using HGH. The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.

    And yet by posting, you are being exactly what you claim doesn’t exist. A NE troll. Be like Mike.

  36. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:20 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM
    edelmanfanclub says:

    The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.
    ———————————————————-
    A) It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public. It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team. Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.

    But you’re not a genius, you’re a Patriots fan.

    B) Brady’s suspension was not vacated by a liberal Union owned judge because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.

    But nice try.
    _______________________________________

    Yeah, you can stop right after the fourth word next to A)….IF…IF IF IF…

    That is what all the Troll’s accusations are based on…IF’s…

    While on the other hand, we base our Denver judgement on PROOF…PROVEN FACTS!!!

    But, you’re not a genius…You’re a TROLL…

    Run along now…

  37. a072455 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:21 PM

    NFL citing precedence, dock the Pats a First and Fourth plus $1 million for being blatant cheaters, once in 2006, clear evidence of cheating and in 2015, Preponderence of cheating (NFL guessed). The Precedence is the Broncos cheated TWO years in a row, $950,000 and a third rounder only!

  38. sonhoodoo says: Feb 14, 2016 2:26 PM

    ch1ggs says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:30 PM
    sonhoodoo says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:25 PM
    Let’s see, those two Super Bowls have always been tainted. This isn’t the first time it has ben brought up and this wasn’t some misinterpretation of a rule. It was straight up cheating by being able to sign more talented players.
    Now, Peyton, the sexual predator, is also a PED user, but that is OK, because as you know, Archie says so and Archie is an ignorant old racist hick so we surely should believe him.

    And just exactly how many PED infractions have the Broncos had since 2012 anyway? What is it now 5? 6? 8? I have lost count and I am not sure if they are actually counting Peyton in there as well. Regardless, I think it is pretty safe to assume Taleb is on PEDs. This guy gets injured as often as a millennial gets outraged and he finally made it all the way to the end of a season. Sure. I would bet most if not all the Denver D is on PEDs too. They have caught a lot of them. I think over half the starting 11 have been suspended for PEDs.

    So, yeah, the Broncos cheat. But, that’s OK, because, Super Bowl!

    ——————————–

    Look, kids, this is what happens to someone when they let blind hatred for a sports franchise affect their overall well-being.

    Side note: I hope you don’t practice law or are in law enforcement.
    ——————
    What issue do you have with what I said? If you have something to dispute, please do so.

    Did the Broncos not cheat the cap in the 90s?

    Did Peyton not sexually assault a trainer back in the 90s? Is this assault not part of a current Title IX suit being brought against UT for creating a “hostile sexual environment”?

    Were no fewer than 5 Broncos starting defense suspended for PEDs since 2012? Were others on the offense as well?

    Did Peyton not acknowledge that his wife received HGH from the Guyer Institute at their home?

    Is this not the first year Aqib Taleb has not finished the season with an injury? And has he not missed 2 SBs due to being injured?

    Sure, I have assumptions in my post, but the facts entirely outweigh them and actually give weight to them. So, honestly, what is your dispute?

  39. youknowiknowitall says: Feb 14, 2016 2:28 PM

    It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public.
    ——-
    Why is it logical to assume something more exists when there is no indication that there is? Enlighten us.
    ———
    It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team.
    ———
    Kraft NEVER withdrew his objection.
    ——–
    Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.”
    ——–
    It’s convenient for you to “forget” that Goodell lied (as documented in the appeal transcript) in his appeal ruling
    —–
    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.
    ——-
    More assumption
    ——-
    Brady’s suspension was not vacated … because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” but rather due to “a series of legal technicalities”.
    ———–
    Yeah, the “technicalities” like “impartiality” and “due process” that form the basis of ALL CBA’s and which NFL HQ has been repeatedly chided for in Federal Courts.
    ———
    So, yeah, nice try. Run along now.

  40. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:28 PM

    @ch1ggs, as I said in my first post – the only thing I really care about is the hypocrisy of fans of all teams who did not look beyond the headlines and want to claim the Patriots are cheaters in spite of the real facts, and are not willing to look at their own teams history.

    Deflategate was stupid but Brady’s name was dragged through the mud for a full year (and it still continues thanks to our commissioner).

    People love to hate the team on top and now with social media, I think we will see this trend of taking shots against the Super Bowl champions continue. We saw this last year and looks like you are starting to see this now in Denver.

  41. militantgod says: Feb 14, 2016 2:29 PM

    A senile Al Davis is still smarter than the rest of us.

  42. bcgreg says: Feb 14, 2016 2:30 PM

    No asterisks can be applied to the latest title? Manning took HGH. He cheated to get back on the field. End of story.

    And thank you for pointing out the cheating history of the Broncos. If not for their salary cap infractions, there’s no Neil Smith or Alfred Williams added to that defense. And no titles in 97 and 98. Now, it’s the end of story.

  43. sonhoodoo says: Feb 14, 2016 2:30 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM
    edelmanfanclub says:

    The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.
    ———————————————————-
    A) It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public. It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team. Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.

    But you’re not a genius, you’re a Patriots fan.

    B) Brady’s suspension was not vacated by a liberal Union owned judge because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.

    But nice try.
    ———————–

    Yes, it is totally logical IF the NFL has more on the Patriots. The focus here should be on “more on”.

    What don’t you get? The NFL and Goodell LOST in court. They were told by the court they were losing and that they should settle. If the NFL had any more “evidence” about the Pats, that might have been the time to actually bring it up. The truth is they don’t have anything. They admitted in court. The rest is all spit and paper mache.

  44. dietrich43 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:33 PM

    Not fair to ignore the 49ers doing the same and being docked lower picks. Or how the Steelers also lost a third round pick, after they self reported a violation.

  45. cinzano08 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:35 PM

    @osirpis,a liberal judge is how you rationalize a decision based on fact? You are a constant excuse maker when something doesn’t go your way. Miller circumvented the urine testing process and should have been suspended for the year instead of 6 games. i will say it’s a double standard by commissioner which is more reasonable than blaming a liberal judge with dog in the race.

  46. sonhoodoo says: Feb 14, 2016 2:36 PM

    factman66 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:12 PM
    The missing information always tells the entire story. The deferred compensation was serving the purpose of resolving cash flow problems due to a new stadium being constructed. It was still a rules violation but its not like they were filming other teams practices or ransacking visitors licker rooms for information.
    ——————-
    It is like they obtained an unfair advantage by skirting a league cap that the other teams had to adhere to to sign talent. The money that should have been applied to the cap allowed Denver to sign other players or even keep some players from leaving by giving them more money. Money they shouldn’t have been able to spend. So, yes, it is cheating.

  47. VenerableAxiom says: Feb 14, 2016 2:37 PM

    Revisiting another reason for whiny pats fans to opine.

  48. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:38 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM
    edelmanfanclub says:

    The point is the double standard applied to New England is unfair, there are subject to punishments that can be made up by Commissioner, they shouldn’t be held to a different standard because they are successful. Also it’s insane that they dont have a 1st round pick when “deflategate” was supposed to be all Brady’s fault (Why was NE fined and docked picks?) Yet, Brady’s suspension was vacated (b/c the suspension wasnt warranted), and NE is still suffering. There is no logic behind it.
    ———————————————————-
    A) It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public. It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team. Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.

    But you’re not a genius, you’re a Patriots fan.

    B) Brady’s suspension was not vacated by a liberal Union owned judge because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.

    But nice try.
    _______________________________________

    Yeah, you can stop right after the fourth word next to A)….IF…IF IF IF…

    That is what all the Troll’s accusations are based on…IF’s..

    While on the other hand, we base our Denver judgement on PROOF…PROVEN FACTS!!!

    But, you’re not a genius…You’re a TROLL…

    Run along now…

  49. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:40 PM

    Feb 14, 2016 2:11 PM
    gregbrotz95 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:13 PM
    Here come all the pats fans claiming this is worse than anything they’ve ever done.
    _______________________________________
    Because it is! PROVEN…FACT…NOT OPINION!

    PROVEN truth hurts. far more than Crybaby Accusations!

    Kiss The RingS!…Cheaters!

  50. boyso3 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:46 PM

    As a die hard Pat fan I would be lying if I said I didn’t take a little joy in all of this but truthfully I think it’s just a weak attempt by Florio, who I like by the way, to drum up business by writing an article simply because it will get responses. I guess that’s his job but I think this is kind of reaching. Educated football fans should already know this story and if they don’t they should do some research. It’s ironic cause it seems like more Pats fan know about this story than Bronco fans. But this is what angers Pats fans so much. Denver fans love to call out Brady and Co. for supposed cheating yet forget totally about their own history. This is what really bothers Patriot fans. The team we root for gets dragged through the mud at every turn while fans of other teams act as if their team has never done anything wrong.

  51. youknowiknowitall says: Feb 14, 2016 2:47 PM

    Looks like the Major League Trolls have arrived with their assumptions, fiction and “axioms” dumbing it down considerably. Please be patient with them (yet again).

  52. saveusterrelldavis says: Feb 14, 2016 2:47 PM

    Hey edelmanfanclub there is a cult following of trolls commenting on every Denver article they’re called “Patriot Fans”. Its going to be a long off season for you, may the Patriots tears flow like rainwater!

  53. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 2:53 PM

    factman66 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:12 PM

    The missing information always tells the entire story. The deferred compensation was serving the purpose of resolving cash flow problems due to a new stadium being constructed. It was still a rules violation but its not like they were filming other teams practices


    The Denver Broncos are the only team in NFL history to be fined for taping other teams practices.:)

    #WrongAgain
    #UKnowNothingAboutFootball
    #UrAnEmbarrassment
    #UrNothingBoy
    #BowDownToYourMaster
    #IOwnYou

  54. tdubdizzle says: Feb 14, 2016 2:54 PM

    The Broncos didn’t cheat?

    How many Superbowls has Shannahan been to since 98?

    I’ll wait…

  55. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 2:56 PM

    But this is what angers Pats fans so much. Denver fans love to call out Brady and Co. for supposed cheating yet forget totally about their own history.
    —-
    Nah, not Denver fans, just Patriot Hater.

    It’s all good because everyone knows the typical Patriot Hater is a moron who knows nothing about football so their “opinion” is just to be giggled at.:)

    I bet they love Goodell too. All the more reason!:)

  56. tdubdizzle says: Feb 14, 2016 2:57 PM

    When Al Davis says you cheated, you cheated.

    Just think about what that means when Al Davis is accusing you of breaking the rules.

  57. thermanmerman99 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:57 PM

    Obviously patriot fans have no lives whatsoever. Constantly whining and crying while repeating the same lame excuses over and over. Newsflash no matter how much whining you do, you will always be cheating frauds and the entire world knows it, nothing you sniveling whinebags say will change anyone’s mind so for the love of God get a life and leave this website for once in your lives

  58. marlinjackson82 says: Feb 14, 2016 2:58 PM

    Patriots crybabies on every Broncos related article. They will keep pounding

  59. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:00 PM

    ts going to be a long off season for you, may the Patriots tears flow like rainwater!

    —-

    You’re right! I just watched the ending of Super Bowl 49 again and the tears – of joy that is – were flowing like rainwater.
    :)

  60. thegonz13 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:02 PM

    Yeah, OK, if we put the poop tossing from Patriots and Broncos fans aside, there is just one important question about the whole thing:

    What possible relevance, purpose and/or interest does this story from 1998 have in 2016?

  61. ebdug says: Feb 14, 2016 3:02 PM

    Always fun to hear about how owners used to go for the trophy. Nowadays, it’s just 32 guys reaching into the same TV pot and pulling down an equal share. There’s no incentive for them to win a championship, or even field a competetive team. Half of them don’t even own a majority stake in a team.

  62. jaro6771 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:03 PM

    Deflategate, spygate, tuck rule, Aaron Hernandez no question who the dirtiest franchise is. They lose a 1st round pick and had the biggest financial penalty ever while Brady brought a smashed phone to court. That’s a whole bunch of ****’s for every time they won.

  63. zigthepatsfan says: Feb 14, 2016 3:05 PM

    marlinjackson82 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:58 PM
    Patriots crybabies on every Broncos related article. They will keep pounding

    tears of laughter from me.

    but dont worry Donks fans your team is still basically irrelevant so this will all blow over pretty fast.

  64. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:05 PM

    So many people still thinking about the 4 time World Champion Patriots, even on a topic related to the new champs.:)

    That really is fitting you know. So many people will always think of the New England Patriots, 4 time Super Bowl champions and the greatest NFL dynasty that ever was, is, and ever will be.
    :)

  65. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:07 PM

    If this were to happen today the penalties would be much harsher.


    Nah. It could be harsher, or lighter or not at all. Depends on Goodell’s Magic 8 ball and how much he screws things up.

    You know he will.

  66. factman66 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:08 PM

    Why so defensive teee heee? Feeling a little called out?
    Your inferiority complex is showing again.
    :):):)

  67. factman66 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:09 PM

    Florio trolling again.

  68. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:12 PM

    What possible relevance, purpose and/or interest does this story from 1998 have in 2016?


    I guess because of the Shanahan quote being directly segued to the facts of this article.

    I have no opinion on the Broncos “cheating” in that era even though I hated them back then much more than I do today. They were punished for that and the matter is settled to me.

  69. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:12 PM

    factman66 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:08 PM

    Why so defensive teee heee? Feeling a little called out?
    Your inferiority complex is showing again.


    Inferiority? Try superiority!😉

  70. shadywarrior says: Feb 14, 2016 3:12 PM

    This is just too funny. It’s like you don’t even see yourselves. Everyone is rolling their eyes at the suggestion of Broncos wrongdoing and sloughing off Peyton accusations, and you resent the media for it. But if it’s the Patriots, you’re all calling for blood. Just no sense of self-awareness, remarkable.

  71. marlinjackson82 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:15 PM

    zigthepatsfan don’t worry you have 2, maybe 3 years before Father Time defeats Brady so your “dynasty” will blow over pretty fast

  72. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:16 PM

    but dont worry Donks fans your team is still basically irrelevant so this will all blow over pretty fast.


    I think it’s great that many Broncos fans apparently still think about us instead of enjoying their team’s new trophy.

    That really is the way it should be. As I always say, the Patriots are the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL. While some of the lesser educated would call this arrogance, all it is is just a statement of fact and reality.
    :)

  73. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:18 PM

    gthepatsfan don’t worry you have 2, maybe 3 years before Father Time defeats Brady so your “dynasty” will blow over pretty fast

    And that’s what they said in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and now 2016. Hmmm.:)

  74. jimmyleecox says: Feb 14, 2016 3:19 PM

    You mean someone other the Patriots have cheated. Where is the outrage for this and how about Manning with HGH and the Tennessee thing

  75. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:25 PM

    The better news is that no asterisk can be applied to the latest Lombardi Trophy that the team has secured.


    I wouldn’t be so sure Florio.:)

    Let’s just wait to hear PEDton explain those drug shipments to his wife once the Charlie Sly story is busted wide open like the BALCO mess was, and then we can judge them from there.

    Getting my popcorn out, this should be FUN!:)

  76. marlinjackson82 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:26 PM

    We don’t think about you, well at least me. I’m just tired of your constant trolling in every article on this site. I’m not changing names and registering doubles, it’s you

  77. broncosrchamps says: Feb 14, 2016 3:28 PM

    Big deal they took money and put it in an account that earned interest for Elway and Davis. They didn’t go over the cap.

  78. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:30 PM

    It really is wonderful how an unrelated topic to the 4 time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Patriots magically and unpromptedly turns into a discussion of the 4 time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Patriots. :)

    I guess people can’t help themselves! They miss us SO much!:)

    #PatriotsRuleThisBoard
    #PatriotsRuleTheMindsOfNFLFans
    #PatriotsRuleTheNFL
    #PatriotsRuleTheWorld
    #PatriotsRuleTheUniverse
    #AllHailTheKings

  79. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:31 PM

    jaro6771 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:03 PM

    Deflategate, spygate, tuck rule, Aaron Hernandez no question who the dirtiest franchise is. They lose a 1st round pick and had the biggest financial penalty ever while Brady brought a smashed phone to court. That’s a whole bunch of ****’s for every time they won.
    ________________________________________
    Typical Troll statement, mostly unproven accusations from the Loser’s Circle…At least you got Spygate correct….1 out of 4, not bad for a Troll…

    Unfortunately, the TRUE FACTS don’t back up your accusations…Denver is #1 in PROVEN cheating. FACT not opinion…Patriots ranked near the bottom. Oh, but wait, ESPN doesn’t say this in their headlines, so it can’t be true….

    Trolls #1 in Crybaby Accusations!

    Patriots, TB12 & Patriot Fans WIN AGAIN!

    Kiss The RingS!

  80. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:36 PM

    jaro6771 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:03 PM
    Deflategate, spygate, tuck rule, Aaron Hernandez no question who the dirtiest franchise is.
    ________________________
    Love how you include the tuck “rule” in there – it was just such a “dirty” play.

    I’m guessing you don’t understand (or want to understand) the true facts behind Spygate or Deflategate – just go with the hype.

    And I have never heard a single Pats fan try to defend Hernandez – the Pats released him as soon as they found out he was being accused and he is behind bars where he belongs. This could happen to a number of players/teams – if you think your team is made of 100% choirboys, it’s time to take a closer look at their checkered pasts.

  81. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:37 PM

    I’m just tired of your constant trolling in every article on this site.


    And yet…I don’t need to post a word in a PFT article and it still turns into a Patriots lovefest.

    Completely unprovoked and unplanned.:)

    Every time.:)

    Go figure.:)

    #JustMakingAnObservation
    #UMightNotLikeItButThatAintTrolling

  82. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:38 PM

    marlinjackson82 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:58 PM

    Patriots crybabies on every Broncos related article. They will keep pounding
    _________________________________________

    Yup! Pounding the PEDs and HGH and College Athletic Trainers…Classy.

  83. srector1224 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:39 PM

    I’m really surprised florio wrote this article.

  84. badbabyjane says: Feb 14, 2016 3:40 PM

    $1.9M + two third round picks v 2 Lombardi’s???

    RINGS BABY, DEAL WITH IT!

  85. GoodellMustGo says: Feb 14, 2016 3:40 PM

    Love how you include the tuck “rule” there

    —-

    I believe to this day Brady fumbled and I love it. The Raiders earned that playoff exit the way it happened and had it 25 years coming to them after they benefited from Roughing the passer, the worst call in the history of professional sports. To have it happen to THAT team in THAT way…Hollywood really couldn’t have done it any better.

    Patriot Fans should own that event and wear it proudly. It really is a badge of honor.:)

  86. buccedtb says: Feb 14, 2016 3:43 PM

    Uhhhh Eiensteins???? The salary cap didn’t disappear for the broncos that year-do you understand the concept of deferred payments? Elways and Davis’s salary applied fully against the cap-they just received them later-a violation to be sure-but the punishment was accepted by Bowlan in good faith. Likewise was the penalty accepted by Kraft. Please try to learn some vocabulary kids-by your own admission you claim to have Physics down pat….

  87. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:44 PM

    marlinjackson82 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:26 PM

    We don’t think about you, well at least me. I’m just tired of your constant trolling in every article on this site. I’m not changing names and registering doubles, it’s you
    ________________________________________

    Awe…The Trolls don’t like to be Trolled!

    Oh well, 12 months of listening to the trolling haters spout their unproven accusations, it’s time for some PROVEN facts about other teams…Get used to it, this is the new NFL thanks to Roger/ESPN’s witch hunt. We’ll be here everyday smacking the Trolls around…Enjoy!

    Kiss The RingS!

  88. badbabyjane says: Feb 14, 2016 3:46 PM

    I knew Davis despised Denver but I didn’t know Denver got so completely in his head. Remember the sores that you to open up like cess pools?

  89. jchipwood says: Feb 14, 2016 3:46 PM

    What’s worse…….knowing the other teams plays or cheating a number? It would be easier to find a cure for cancer than to convince a patriot fan their team has cheated and continues to cheat.

  90. mzigg35 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:47 PM

    Let’s not argue who is the best (or worst cheater). They’ve both cheated and likely still do

  91. factman66 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:48 PM

    “I’m not changing names and registering doubles, it’s you”
    Amen!
    Teee heee probably has over ten different accounts. He or she lives on this blog.

  92. cross300 says: Feb 14, 2016 3:56 PM

    Broncos win super vowl, oh let’s dig up 20 year old stories that aren’t relevant to today
    _____________________________________
    Funny thing how people like to dredge up thing for the Patriots and that’s fair game. It’s not so pleasant when the shoe is on the other foot huh.

  93. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 4:00 PM

    buccedtb says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:43 PM
    Uhhhh Eiensteins???? The salary cap didn’t disappear for the broncos that year-do you understand the concept of deferred payments? Elways and Davis’s salary applied fully against the cap-they just received them later-a violation to be sure-but the punishment was accepted by Bowlan in good faith. Likewise was the penalty accepted by Kraft.
    __________________________
    No, not “likewise”. Kraft accepted the team penalty because he had no recourse and he thought this would convince the league to drop the case against Brady. When this didn’t happen Kraft said the following:

    “I was wrong to put my faith in the league,” Kraft said. “Six months removed from the AFC Championship game, the league still has no hard evidence of anybody doing anything to tamper with the PSI levels of footballs.”

  94. orange and blue owns the NFL says: Feb 14, 2016 4:07 PM

    youknowiknowitall says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:10 PM
    Can’t wait to hear how “orangeandblueownstheNFL rationalizes this.”
    =======
    Rationalize: attempt to explain or justify (one’s own or another’s behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate”

    I never tried to rationalize it. Ever. It is commonly exclaimed by Patriots trolls that the Broncos EXCEEDED the cap. They did not. They used cash from payroll to fund the stadium, which was a violation and for which they were appropriately punished. All I ever pointed out was to be truthful about what happened. They would’ve had the EXACT SAME roster even if they followed the cap rules.

    I know you’re desperate to smear everybody, but most of you are wrong on the details.

    “The point isn’t whether one is worse than the other, the point is the double standard against New England. There isnt a cult following of trolls that comment on every denver article calling them cheaters and calling their titles “tainted.” There isnt a witch hunt for Peyton Manning using HGH.”

    *Do you read PFT?
    * I don’t recall ever hating or seeing my fellow Bronco fans hating the Patriots. I get that you don’t like the Colts, Steelers and Ravens, but all the Broncos have ever done is beat yo….. oh, I get it now, never mind.

  95. mototax says: Feb 14, 2016 4:13 PM

    What do the Broncos have to do with Spy-gate, deflate-gate and dragging Brady through the mud? Nothing!!!

    Pats fans should be hammering away at the Colts, Jets and Rams not the Broncos. All the Broncos did was win the SB. Did absolutely nothing to the Pats!

    I suspect REAL Pats fans know this.

  96. dispozblcopy says: Feb 14, 2016 4:14 PM

    Why this is so insignificant compared to, say, an unsubstantiated equipment violation, I can’t believe anyone’s talking about it at all.

  97. stevegrogannakedbootleg says: Feb 14, 2016 4:17 PM

    His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.
    *************************************
    actually cited no technicalities let me enlighten you said Judge Berman
    ” The Award is premised upon several significant legal deficiencies, including (A) inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes. “

  98. mototax says: Feb 14, 2016 4:19 PM

    It really is wonderful how a topic unrelated to the 6-time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Steelers magically and unprompted turns into a discussion of the 6-time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Steelers.:)

    I guess people can’t help themselves! They miss us SO much! :o)

    #SteelersRuleThisBoard
    #SteelersRuleTheMindsOfNFLFans
    #SteelersRuleTheNFL
    #SteelersRuleTheWorld
    #SteelersRuleTheUniverse
    #AllHailTheKings

    THAT was so easy to write! :o)

  99. ndrick731 says: Feb 14, 2016 4:26 PM

    None that we are currently aware of. Elway is still involved and the same owner is still involved so you don’t know what they may be hiding that might later be discovered.

  100. orange and blue owns the NFL says: Feb 14, 2016 4:29 PM

    youknowiknowitall says:
    Feb 14, 2016 1:10 PM
    Can’t wait to hear how orangeandblueownstheNFL rationalizes this.

    Since she’s no hypocrite, I’m sure we would all be correct in assuming that even she would agree that there should asterisks applied to everything DEN has ever “won”.
    ==========
    Something else that struck me as I read your comment. You seem to think I will be offended at being called a woman. As if being a woman is somehow less than being a man. It’s almost as if you have the same Neanderthalic bigotry as Archie, you just express it differently.

  101. The Truth says: Feb 14, 2016 5:03 PM

    Wow the Patsies**** suck ups at PFT have been on an all out smear campaign since their heroes were eliminated

  102. tedmurph says: Feb 14, 2016 5:07 PM

    What the Broncos did was absolutely a violation, both to increase cap room and to create cash flow for their new stadium, which they were kicking in about 25% of. What they did was take roster bonuses, which would hit a cap in full for that year, and turning it into guaranteed money, spread over several years. In exchange for interest on the money. Almost like a player on the end of a backloaded contract turning his salary into a signing bonus on an extension and spreading it out. After pulling this sleazy and illegal manuever, Elway was playing for cap hits around 2-2.5 mil, while contemporaries like Aikman or Marino had cap his of 4.5-5 mil plus, even though they made similar $. Please disregard the spin doctoring of the supposed Bronco fan.

    Small aside about the McDaniels filming incident. When McDaniels found out about the unsolicited practice filming, he turned HIMSELF in. Without watching the tape.

  103. DrinkingTheDeliciousTearsOfTheHaters says: Feb 14, 2016 5:13 PM

    More or less its like getting caught cheating on your taxes. Let’s say a guy you work with at the same type of job is driving around in a Bentley and your driving a Prius, and then you find out he cheated on his taxes and his car gets repo’ed and he does a 90-day stint at the county farm.

    Don’t you feel a little like he was cheating you as a responsible taxpayer and therefore have no sympathy for him? If Bob the tax-cheat has been riding around in his Bentley with low air-pressure in his tires because he believed it gave him better traction, do you believe that it does or do you even really care?

    Get what I’m saying?

  104. gonakgod says: Feb 14, 2016 5:31 PM

    Salary cap cheating imo is the worst type of cheating

  105. fanofpft says: Feb 14, 2016 5:39 PM

    “deferred payments to quarterback John Elway and running back Terrell Davis.”

    Were they partners in a magical elixir operation that the team sends funding to?

  106. buccedtb says: Feb 14, 2016 5:49 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:00 PM
    buccedtb says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:43 PM
    Uhhhh Eiensteins???? The salary cap didn’t disappear for the broncos that year-do you understand the concept of deferred payments? Elways and Davis’s salary applied fully against the cap-they just received them later-a violation to be sure-but the punishment was accepted by Bowlan in good faith. Likewise was the penalty accepted by Kraft.
    __________________________
    No, not “likewise”. Kraft accepted the team penalty because he had no recourse and he thought this would convince the league to drop the case against Brady. When this didn’t happen Kraft said the following:

    “I was wrong to put my faith in the league,” Kraft said. “Six months remoyved from the AFC Championship game, the league still has no hard evidence of anybody doing anything to tamper with the PSI levels of footballs.”

    Lol what would you expect him to say?? It’s not the crime lol-it’s the willful blindness of a delusional fanbase-like the deflater trying to lose weight! Grow up schills-how the heck would Kraft accepting the punishment in any way affect Brady’s punishment?? Not sure whom is more illogical on this site-pats fans or haters-really tiresome honestly.

  107. zigthepatsfan says: Feb 14, 2016 6:02 PM

    marlinjackson82 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:15 PM
    zigthepatsfan don’t worry you have 2, maybe 3 years before Father Time defeats Brady so your “dynasty” will blow over pretty fast

    You got me there

  108. revren10 says: Feb 14, 2016 6:17 PM

    People should be careful calling the bronco’s cheaters. who knows when peyton will send those two law enforcement impersonators, or was it private investigators or maybe they said they were sith lords to intimidate you into believing the broncos don’t cheat and peyton has never done hgh wink wink

  109. j0esixpack says: Feb 14, 2016 6:19 PM

    mototax says: We can probably put an asterisk beside every championship of every team if we dig deep enough
    ================================

    Not probably.

    yourteamcheats dot com lists all the infractions of all the teams – especially those that now need an asterisk next to any Super Bowl wins

    Review that – and Lee Groscup’s 1968 expose on the cheating and spying of football greats Papa George Halas and Lamar Hunt going back to the 1950s – and you’ll see that most other teams violations make the Patriots “camera placement-gate” and “Goodell doesn’t know cold air reduces PSI-gate” seem pretty insignificant in comparison

  110. mrthumbs says: Feb 14, 2016 6:21 PM

    Joetoronto say; It’s clear as day that the NFL plays favorites and always has, there’s nothing fair about the league at all.

    Well put. This isn’t France.

  111. lanman11 says: Feb 14, 2016 6:22 PM

    So, repeat offenders get the same punishment? Sounds cheap for a couple of Lombardi’s if you ask me. Where is the deterrent?

  112. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Feb 14, 2016 6:47 PM

    So according to the Scientology-like cult known as “Patriots fans” the reason the Pats have no 1st round pick and their quarterback is still looking at a 4-game suspension is because they didn’t do anything wrong?

    Yeah, right.

    Kraft gave up protesting the punishment because he knows what the NFL has on his team and it’s star player. It’s not our fault you can’t see it.

  113. mototax says: Feb 14, 2016 6:49 PM

    bcgreg says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:30 PM

    No asterisks can be applied to the latest title? Manning took HGH. He cheated to get back on the field. End of story.
    ==========
    End of story? USADA, the NFL and MLB haven’t started their investigations. There is no story to end other than the one in your head.

  114. patriotdynasty5 says: Feb 14, 2016 6:49 PM

    Peyton, the sexual predator and known PED user, would have to admit that the Broncos deserve an asterisk next to this years title as well.

  115. mototax says: Feb 14, 2016 6:52 PM

    j0esixpack says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:19 PM

    mototax says: We can probably put an asterisk beside every championship of every team if we dig deep enough
    ================================

    Not probably.

    yourteamcheats dot com lists all the infractions of all the teams – especially those that now need an asterisk next to any Super Bowl wins

    Review that – and Lee Groscup’s 1968 expose on the cheating and spying of football greats Papa George Halas and Lamar Hunt going back to the 1950s – and you’ll see that most other teams violations make the Patriots “camera placement-gate” and “Goodell doesn’t know cold air reduces PSI-gate” seem pretty insignificant in comparison
    ========
    Haven’t read yourteamcheats but will take a look.

  116. tomsetter123 says: Feb 14, 2016 6:57 PM

    $2M to get 2 HOF players and 2 Lombardi’s

    Excellent return on investment!!

    Way to go Broncos.

  117. youknowiknowitall says: Feb 14, 2016 7:04 PM

    orange and blue owns the NFL says:

    I never tried to rationalize it. Ever.
    ======
    And I never said you did. As the above was your first posting in this thread, I expressed that I was looking forward to it (as I do with most of your laughably disingenuous posts).

    and …

    You seem to think I will be offended at being called a woman. As if being a woman is somehow less than being a man.
    ————-
    Not my intent at all. My assumption (recognizing the I might be wrong), based on your posting history, is that you are a whiny little girl. Am I wrong?

  118. tedmurph says: Feb 14, 2016 7:05 PM

    Pats fans are equated to cult status, yet some posters believe in a vast conspiracy of hidden evil wrongdoing that the NFL has on the Draconian Patriots, and it’s all a big coverup. What’s the matter, no shows about Bigfoot or alien abductions on tonight? Wow. Thanks for showing everyone the light. Pull the shades up once in awhile. It’s not that Pats fans can’t see it, it’s that some posters have a one way ticket to crazytown.

  119. j0esixpack says: Feb 14, 2016 7:07 PM

    mototax says: End of story? USADA, the NFL and MLB haven’t started their investigations. There is no story to end other than the one in your head.
    ================================

    Correct. The only “story” right now is that Peyton Manning appears to have employed the “Archie Manning” tactic used to slander, then pay to hush up the woman Peyton sexually assaulted in college

    In this case, the person who has been confirmed to have worked at the Guyton Institute, who’s facts all check out, had his family and younger sister visited by two of Peyton Manning’s “private investigators” who were posing as police officers and apparenlty “suggested” that Sly recant his story

    One day later Sly recanted his story (stating – bizarrely – that he didn’t know what or why he was recanting – but he was recanting)

    Perhaps the “investigation” by sports that aren’t fixed will vindicate Peyton – and confirm that his then PRENGANT wife was illegally taking HGH and engaging in the child abuse of an unborn baby by doing so – but that Peyton is innocent

  120. tomsetter123 says: Feb 14, 2016 7:10 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:47 PM
    So according to the Scientology-like cult known as “Patriots fans” the reason the Pats have no 1st round pick and their quarterback is still looking at a 4-game suspension is because they didn’t do anything wrong?

    Yeah, right.

    Kraft gave up protesting the punishment because he knows what the NFL has on his team and it’s star player. It’s not our fault you can’t see it.

    ——————————

    NFL lead attorney testified they had no evidence of tampering – in open court.

    a bunch of scientist have come out very publicly and said the physics show nothing happened. google it.

    Patriots have a pretty good record since the 2014 AFCCG.

    Bronco’s? Had not had a SB since the skirted the Salary Cap in the 90’s.

    I think everyone can SEE that….

  121. football2345 says: Feb 14, 2016 7:17 PM

    mototax says:
    Feb 14, 2016 4:19 PM
    It really is wonderful how a topic unrelated to the 6-time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Steelers magically and unprompted turns into a discussion of the 6-time World Champion and NFL’s Greatest Dynasty Steelers.:)

    I guess people can’t help themselves! They miss us SO much! :o)

    #SteelersRuleThisBoard
    #SteelersRuleTheMindsOfNFLFans
    #SteelersRuleTheNFL
    #SteelersRuleTheWorld
    #SteelersRuleTheUniverse
    #AllHailTheKings

    THAT was so easy to write!

    ——————-

    Lombardi’s pre-Salary cap are dont equate.
    Props for the last 2 – but the first 4 are ancient history.

    Probably better to focus on the current team with all the injuries and still only a fumble away from winning the divisional game in Denver.

  122. football2345 says: Feb 14, 2016 7:20 PM

    tomsetter123 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:57 PM
    $2M to get 2 HOF players and 2 Lombardi’s

    Excellent return on investment!!

    Way to go Broncos.

    >

    Funny. Pats played better AFTER being caught.

    Guess that makes the Broncos smarter than Belechick.

  123. orange and blue owns the NFL says: Feb 14, 2016 7:30 PM

    youknowiknowitall says:

    ” I expressed that I was looking forward to it (as I do with most of your laughably disingenuous posts).”
    ========
    You think my posts are dishonest and insincere? I will admit to trolling the trolls who plaster “hgh” on any thread Broncos related. But I really do believe that, considering the Patriots ped-fueled success, they should just drop that one. While I can see your point that the Colts and Ravens “tattled” on your team, I just don’t see what the Broncos have to do with it. I’m actually quite sincere about that.

    “Not my intent at all. My assumption (recognizing the I might be wrong), based on your posting history, is that you are a whiny little girl. Am I wrong?”
    =========
    The crybaby thing holds true for fans of the Dolphins or Bills, who accuse the Patriots of winning by cheating, not sure how that applies to my posts, though. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
    I think that’s just a cookie cutter insult you’re used to using in your trolling. Perhaps to get a rise out of people?

  124. bcgreg says: Feb 14, 2016 7:36 PM

    mototax says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:49 PM
    bcgreg says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:30 PM

    No asterisks can be applied to the latest title? Manning took HGH. He cheated to get back on the field. End of story.
    ==========
    End of story? USADA, the NFL and MLB haven’t started their investigations. There is no story to end other than the one in your head.

    ==============

    Manning confirms HGH sent to own house. Manning is perfect candidate for HGH use after multiple neck surgeries. But Manning never used it…even though it was in his house. Broncos fans be like 2+2 is a common core problem when we’re talkin about the Broncos, but if it’s the Pats, they’re screaming FOUR like Ogre in Revenge of the Nerds 2.

    And the NFLs investigation into this will read like the conversation between Dean Martin and Thornton Melon. “Is the work you handed in your own?” “Dean Martin, I cannot lie…Yes, it is.” “I’m satisfied.” Bronco and Manning fans act like Phillip Barbay when it’s Brady, but play the role of Dean Martin when it’s Manning. It’s why I never take you people seriously. You apply different rules to fit your own needs. And it’s maddening.

  125. mmack66 says: Feb 14, 2016 7:40 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:01 PM

    A) It’s totally logical if the NFL has a lot more on the Patriots than has been revealed in public. It’s not a coincidence that after meeting privately with Goodell, Kraft withdrew his objection to the penalties placed on his team. Goodell in the NFL’s appeal of the Brady suspension ruling made it clear that the “deflation scheme” had been going on for at least “8 years.” It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the NFL has enough on the Patriots to shake the foundations of the league, and is actually protecting the integrity of the game by going so lightly on them.

    But you’re not a genius, you’re a Patriots fan.

    B) Brady’s suspension was not vacated by a liberal Union owned judge because the suspension “wasn’t warranted.” His ludicrous decision only cited a series of legal technicalities that had no bearing on the deliberate deflation of footballs.

    But nice try.
    ———————-

    Why is that the most of the Patriots hater bozos are never right about anything. Ever.

    At least you didn’t break out your world is flat ideal gas law isn’t a law nonsense. This time.

  126. Nofoolnodrool says: Feb 14, 2016 8:10 PM

    tedmurph
    Feb 14, 2016, 7:05 PM EST
    Pats fans are equated to cult status, yet some posters believe in a vast conspiracy of hidden evil wrongdoing that the NFL has on the Draconian Patriots, and it’s all a big coverup. What’s the matter, no shows about Bigfoot or alien abductions on tonight? Wow. Thanks for showing everyone the light. Pull the shades up once in awhile. It’s not that Pats fans can’t see it, it’s that some posters have a one way ticket to crazytown.

    Crazy town Teddy? Aren’t you the guy boasting you would walk out of a ceremony with Obama if he brought up deflate hate…. Now that’s crazy town.

    Still am enjoying the defeat of the Pats by a defense TedMurph said the Pats owned…. Can you say crazy town Teddy?

  127. patsfiend says: Feb 14, 2016 8:15 PM

    It’s not Belichick and Brady, so nothing to look at (or freak out about here.) Just let it slide. Way less important than .2 PSI in the balls.

  128. DennisT says: Feb 14, 2016 8:29 PM

    I have nothing against the Broncos and I don’t see how this is relevant to the 2016 title but that said this is by far the most impactful cheating scandal in NFL history. They were able to put players on the field that they should not of been able to put on the field if they play by the rules all pro caliber players.

  129. tedmurph says: Feb 14, 2016 8:32 PM

    Steelers fan enjoying the Pats losing in the AFC Championship game, after winning the Super Bowl last year. Even though the steelers couldn’t even win their own division, backed into the playoffs when the jets choked in Buffalo, and were out a round before the Pats. Yet it’s some kind of victory to them. I don’t think crazy is a strong enough word.

  130. bencoates57 says: Feb 14, 2016 8:35 PM

    How about when I see Manning, I still see an Indianapolis Colts franchise QB. His being at the helm is a perversion if sorts. And speaking of perversion, I see a man who not only assaulted a U of T staffer, but who subjected her to a campaign of harassment and defamation in order to cover up what court documents reveal he fid.

  131. Nofoolnodrool says: Feb 14, 2016 8:55 PM

    tedmurph
    Feb 14, 2016, 8:32 PM EST
    Steelers fan enjoying the Pats losing in the AFC Championship game, after winning the Super Bowl last year. Even though the steelers couldn’t even win their own division, backed into the playoffs when the jets choked in Buffalo, and were out a round before the Pats. Yet it’s some kind of victory to them. I don’t think crazy is a strong enough word.

    Who said anything about a victory boasting and distorting TedMurph. Visions of Brady being tossed around like a dogs chew toy gives me great pleasure to recall almost as much as reminding your boasting dumb ass about the Pats owning the Broncos def under Philips. Talking trash is your specialty….. Always unsupported and distorted in true Patsie fashion. You can try to ignore the truth Teddy but the Pats got owned by the Broncos Def…. Right Teddy?

  132. bigace73 says: Feb 14, 2016 8:58 PM

    I have just awakened from a coma…i been out since Dec…who won the superbowl?

  133. tedmurph says: Feb 14, 2016 9:05 PM

    Who said anything about a victory boasting
    ————————————————–
    Visions of Brady being tossed around like a dogs chew toy gives me great pleasure

    Still am enjoying the defeat of the Pats
    ————————————————–Some people choke on their own words. It’s too easy.

    Yes, the Pats owned WPhillips defenses going into the AFCC game. Exactly as I posted.

    Yes I would have walked out of the SBowl ceremony at the White House. I wouldn’t have stopped short of the fat thumbs down Bill Belicheck stuck in the POTUS face.

  134. jaro6771 says: Feb 14, 2016 9:48 PM

    Broncos beat the patriots twice this year. Trust me were enjoying our rings. Honestly imo maybe the patriots should just revert back to spying on practices and deflating footballs … Might make things to be more equal for next year.

  135. broncosrchamps says: Feb 14, 2016 9:49 PM

    Florio the Bronco hater doing what he can.

  136. jchipwood says: Feb 14, 2016 10:20 PM

    4/5 posters on this site wears Uggs and wonder bras.

  137. tedmurph says: Feb 14, 2016 10:32 PM

    1/5 have jobs. That ain’t you chppy

  138. duffer58 says: Feb 14, 2016 10:40 PM

    Bronco fans they did cheat. Do not say everyone did it because it simply is not true. Niners cheated in Mid nineties and Broncos cheated in those years. Those are undeniable facts. Whether they would have one anyway we will never know. But they did cheat.

  139. rolf1015 says: Feb 14, 2016 10:51 PM

    jaro6771 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 9:48 PM
    Broncos beat the patriots twice this year. Trust me were enjoying our rings. Honestly imo maybe the patriots should just revert back to spying on practices and deflating footballs … Might make things to be more equal for next year.
    __________________________
    Enjoy your well deserved ring this year – but just so you have your facts straight, only one of these teams was penalized for “spying on practices”….and it wasn’t the Patriots.

  140. concretejimmy52 says: Feb 14, 2016 11:34 PM

    No wonder the Ravens only won two SB’s. Too many other teams cheating. No wonder Ray Lewis was praying after SB 47. Let’s see. The Patriots and Kraft, Bellicheck, Brady. The Steelers, Rooney, Tomlin, just the dirty Steelers and now Marvin Lewis wants to be like them. The Broncos. Irsay and the Colts and Manning. There’s a bum Baltimore ran out of town. Haslam is too stupid to cheat. The Saints. How ironic. Should change their name. At least the NFCE just tries to buy a SB. Good luck with that one Philly.

  141. concretejimmy52 says: Feb 14, 2016 11:37 PM

    Watching some of these teams win a SB is like watching the Bush’s and Clinton’s run the country for the last 30 years. I’m going to puke.

  142. cb3313 says: Feb 14, 2016 11:57 PM

    thermanmerman99 says:
    Feb 14, 2016 2:57 PM

    Obviously patriot fans have no lives whatsoever. Constantly whining and crying while repeating the same lame excuses over and over. Newsflash no matter how much whining you do, you will always be cheating frauds and the entire world knows it, nothing you sniveling whinebags say will change anyone’s mind so for the love of God get a life and leave this website for once in your lives
    _______________________________________

    Says the guy whining and crying about Patriot fans on a message board.

    This post is often heard from the Loser’s Circle and is typical of a Troll, a lot of accusations / name calling, but no actual proof to earn some credibility. All it was missing was a cute little #. Awe…

    News Flash, we don’t care what the Trolling Haters THINK. Burden of PROOF is on the accuser, not the accused. Put up or shut up.

    CRICKETS, just like we thought.

    Run along now, the adults are talking…

    Kiss The RingS!

  143. oldmanbirdfan says: Feb 15, 2016 12:15 AM

    Yes, it was cheating with a direct influence on their season record and the SB victory itself…. The teams should have not been on the field ., and by the way where is Elway today….. Prob part of a deal that kept him in Denver…..hummmmmmm
    I was pulling for Den be cause of Peyton to win the super bowl, but that does not change the fact that they are the biggest cheaters(caught) in NFL history… Far worse than filming of signals or air in footballs…….Falcons should have been awArded the victory or at least compensated for it…..Elway’s rings are tantred , because he was directly involved with the cheating……

  144. normswifevera says: Feb 15, 2016 12:57 AM

    “The better news is that no asterisk can be applied to the latest Lombardi Trophy that the team has secured.”

    Yet.

    I’m sure during those weeks he was benched and he looked like he’d end his career as a laughing scok, Peyton “send the drugs to my wife” Manning wasn’t ingesting anything but health shakes made from melted down glaciers and the powdered horns of unicorns.

  145. whyshouldshaili says: Feb 15, 2016 4:11 AM

    R U serious? After a closed door meeting Kraft gave up the because the league had more on the? Kraft never gave up he persuit of fairness, have you read the Patriots response to the league on the website the setup? Clearly Kraft hasn’t bent over and grabbed his ankle, like you suggest.

  146. sonhoodoo says: Feb 15, 2016 4:35 AM

    buccedtb says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:43 PM
    Uhhhh Eiensteins???? The salary cap didn’t disappear for the broncos that year-do you understand the concept of deferred payments? Elways and Davis’s salary applied fully against the cap-they just received them later-a violation to be sure-but the punishment was accepted by Bowlan in good faith. Likewise was the penalty accepted by Kraft. Please try to learn some vocabulary kids-by your own admission you claim to have Physics down pat….

    ———–

    Nobody said the cap disappeared and the entire point is the deferred payments allowed the Broncos to not subtract them from the current cap which essentially allowed them to use that unclaimed on other contracts.

    Bowled accepted the punishment “in good faith”? You aren’t really sure how to use that phrase, huh. Maybe you mean “without argument” or something, but good faith has nothing to do with it.

  147. magnoliasimms says: Feb 15, 2016 10:16 AM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 14, 2016 6:47 PM

    So according to the Scientology-like cult known as “Patriots fans” the reason the Pats have no 1st round pick and their quarterback is still looking at a 4-game suspension is because they didn’t do anything wrong?

    Yeah, right.

    Kraft gave up protesting the punishment because he knows what the NFL has on his team and it’s star player. It’s not our fault you can’t see it.
    ___________________________________

    Kraft accepted the penalty because a club has a lot less recourse in fighting a penalty than a player does. The player has the NFLPA on their side, the club itself doesn’t. His only recourse would have been to sue the other owners, and he’s a businessman. The cons outweighed the pros in that case. Kraft isn’t stupid. But he’s admitted he regrets doing it after the fact, but because it was the club that was punished, he has no way of fighting it at this point.

    If the NFL had so much on Tom Brady as you claim above, why didn’t any of that come out in the appeal when Berman overturned the NFL’s punishment? You’d think they would have brought that out front and center to have their decision upheld. But the NFL admitted they had absolutely no direct evidence that Brady was at all involved in any ball deflation.

    “Is there a text in which Mr. Brady instructs someone to put a needle in a football? No, there is not such direct evidence,” league lawyer Daniel Nash said under questioning from U.S. District Judge Richard Berman.

  148. jackbenimble999 says: Feb 15, 2016 10:38 AM

    Bonus question: Who was the guy filming the 49’ers during their practice session?

    (answers below)

    1. Josh McDaniels/The New England Patriots
    2. Steve Scarnecchia/The New England Patriots

    ————————————————————

    Sorry, my misunderstanding. It implies in your post that those guys were employees of the Patriots when the infractions occurred. Who were they working for at the time?

  149. cb3313 says: Feb 16, 2016 8:05 AM

    jchipwood says:
    Feb 14, 2016 3:46 PM

    What’s worse…….knowing the other teams plays or cheating a number? It would be easier to find a cure for cancer than to convince a patriot fan their team has cheated and continues to cheat.
    ________________________________________

    Nope! It would be very easy…Just provide some PROOF.

    Not opinion. Not Goodell, NFL & ESPN lies, (which there are many), but factual proof. That’s where it all falls apart for the Trolls, Haters and Agenda Driven Media…

    (Spygate was PROVEN with FACTS. No argument.)

    However, only providing accusations doesn’t cut it. Prove your case against the Patriots and earn some credibility. Roger can’t, Wells can’t, Media can’t, Trolls can’t, Haters can’t….Therefore, it is seen for what it is: Crybaby Soup from the Loser’s Circle…

    Kiss The RingS!

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!