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LeSean McCoy case may center on a dispute over who started the fight

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As prosecutors in Philadelphia continue to consider whether to charge Bills running back LeSean McCoy with assault, and as representatives of the police department continue to clamor for charges to be filed in a case involving serious injuries to off-duty officers, a dispute has emerged over who started the fight that sent two of the officers to the hospital.

Over the weekend, Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News laid out the case in detail, considering both sides. On the side of the officers, the contention is that McCoy committed assault, and that charges should be pursued. The local police union has suggested taking the matter over the head of the Philadelphia District Attorney, or possibly filing a private criminal complaint.

From McCoy’s perspective, as reported by Carucci, one of the officers had his hands around the neck of Ronald Butler, a former Pitt running back who was with McCoy that night. McCoy, per his version, was simply reacting to that provocation.

Multiple videos have emerged from the night in question, but there’s nothing with the kind of clarity that would deliver a slam-dunk finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Which likely explains the hesitation of prosecutors. Throw in the fact that McCoy has the resources to afford a lawyer who will be far better equipped than a public defender to mount an if-it-doesn’t-fit-you-must-acquit defense, and that’s even more reason for prosecutors to be hesitant to pursue what could be a losing cause.

However it turns out, remember that the post-Ray Rice NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system. McCoy can still be investigated and disciplined based on a much lower standard of proof. So even if he’s not charged, McCoy still could be suspended.

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32 Responses to “LeSean McCoy case may center on a dispute over who started the fight”
  1. mikermiker says: Feb 22, 2016 11:56 AM

    Pats fans just happy something takes the focus off how bad their team cheats its cool though bro.

  2. flmike says: Feb 22, 2016 11:57 AM

    So the criteria for Philly prosecutors to go ahead with cases where police officers can possibly be culpable is can the defendant afford better legal counsel than the cops…thats low, even for Philly.

  3. patsxsaintsfan says: Feb 22, 2016 11:58 AM

    If the cops started the fight which seems like a real possibility at this point considering lesean would be arrested by now if it was clear cut, but if the cops did then shady should be fine cops shouldn’t get passes for doing stupid things just because they are cops. With that said if the officers are innocent and lesean is guilty he should be charged and miss 4 games.

  4. todoubled says: Feb 22, 2016 12:03 PM

    Would rather be suspended a few games then go through all the drama and money spent of going through court that drawn out circus….

  5. steelerben says: Feb 22, 2016 12:07 PM

    flmike says:
    Feb 22, 2016 11:57 AM
    So the criteria for Philly prosecutors to go ahead with cases where police officers can possibly be culpable is can the defendant afford better legal counsel than the cops…thats low, even for Philly.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The number one criteria for taking a case to court is: “Can we win?”

    There is no sense in taking a weak case before the judge, particularly when the defendant has the means to shred that case, because it is a waste of time and money. Add in that losing a case against a high profile defendant will likely be followed up by a counter suit in civil court for monetary damages, and there isn’t much incentive to pursue the case without slam dunk evidence.

  6. welcomehomelosangelesrams says: Feb 22, 2016 12:07 PM

    LeSean better not get pulled over for speeding by a Philly cop. Good luck getting out of that ticket by playing the “Do you know who I am?” card.

  7. gints1017 says: Feb 22, 2016 12:14 PM

    #CopLivesMatter

  8. Stiller43 says: Feb 22, 2016 12:14 PM

    However it turns out, remember that the post-Ray Rice NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system. McCoy can still be investigated and disciplined based on a much lower standard of proof. So even if he’s not charged, McCoy still could be suspended.
    ____________________________________________

    Post Ray Rice? They did they before Rice came along.

  9. mjd08501 says: Feb 22, 2016 12:16 PM

    If it’s actually true that the fight was started by one of the cops grabbing Butler around the neck and that’s the point at which McCoy jumped in and threw a punch, how could you possibly charge him? I can’t think of many men who wouldn’t jump in to defend a friend who was being choked out

  10. whitewalkerinphilly says: Feb 22, 2016 12:18 PM

    I do find it sad that, even if everything comes to light and Lesean McCoy is found completely not guilty, he’ll still probably get punished.

    To be honest, from all I’ve heard, Shady’s account sounds the most accurate. It explains why a fight would break out to begin with (his friend starts to get into an argument over the bottles, as was reported), why reports have surfaced that Shady threw the first punch ( the plaintiff put his hands on his and seemed to be physically threatening him and he’s bailing his friend out) and why the DA is not treating this as a slam dunk case.

    As a note, I believe that if you are seeing someone being assaulted, there is an affirmative justification defense as long as you don’t use lethal force.

    This is very much looking like a case where the FOP and PC want a felony charge, and the DA is looking at something that he’d have a very hard time proving, and is trying to get a compromise everyone walks away a little unhappy from.

  11. PegulaBucks says: Feb 22, 2016 12:23 PM

    yes please continue to waste tax payer money on this case…we all need to know the outcome of a famous millionaire athlete and some obviously suspect police officers drunk and fighting.

  12. nceaglesfan says: Feb 22, 2016 12:25 PM

    Perhaps LeSean could get Chip to be a witness. Oops, that may not work out to well….

  13. bettywhiteshairnet says: Feb 22, 2016 12:25 PM

    Everyone was calling for Shady’s head and now it seems as the story is changing daily. This is the reason you wait for ALL the facts. Shady may not be well liked by many, but it doesn’t mean he is guilty. Looking more and more like the cops were embarrassed by the beat down they received. You reap what you sow. Off duty or not, if it is true they put their hands around someone’s neck, they got what they deserved.

  14. bettywhiteshairnet says: Feb 22, 2016 12:28 PM

    PPD, the FOP, and the Mayor should be embarrassed for trying to railroad Shady.

  15. mongo3401 says: Feb 22, 2016 12:30 PM

    IMO the prosecutor has no way of winning this case. The videos do not show how it started. Apparently going out on a limb, I have to guess there are a number of witnesses that say cops started it and the cops that claim butler started it. Then there is the possibility these off duty cops have been involved in prior disputed disturbances. A judge or jury cannot convict on a “‘probably more then not “‘ I know Ted Wells can but this is the real world

    As far as the NFL ? Not sure if anything would be done. McCoy can claim self defense. One video appears someone that looks like McCoy threw a punch. What is not shown is why he threw the punch. Did someone swing at him first?’did someone kick him between the legs first and so on. Those ready to bury the man better wake up and open their eyes. Civil suit? Of course there will be. The. Again someone can bring a civil suit because the color of your shoes creates undue hardship to the party when they see that particular color shoe. Know what I am trying to say folks ? I would obtain the services of the best attorney I could afford and McCoy has done so

    The Mayor and Police Officials have already made it impossible to get a fair trial in Philly and the DAmknows this

  16. bgavin001 says: Feb 22, 2016 12:31 PM

    Well, if it turns out the off duty cops started the fight, they better pursue charges against them with the same vigor they’ve pursued them against McCoy.

  17. j0esixpack says: Feb 22, 2016 12:37 PM

    The Cowyboys are hoping this gets resolved quickly

    With a leader like McCoy on offense and a leader like Greg Hardy on Defense, who knows how far America’s Team can go!

    Keep up the good work Jerry!

  18. paulieorkid says: Feb 22, 2016 12:38 PM

    “However it turns out, remember that the post-Ray Rice NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system.”

    I think what you meant to say was remember that the post-Ben Roethlisberger NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system.

    Goodell slapped six games on Ben based on a mere singular accusation and despite the fact no criminal charges even being filed. [The six game suspension was later reduced to four games.]

    As for McCoy’s matter, if the video is inconclusive and there are no other credible witnesses — we can forget about establishing proof beyond a reasonable doubt; and thus, forget about the filing of criminal charges. It’s now a He Said/He Said.

  19. jag1959 says: Feb 22, 2016 1:00 PM

    Facts matter to someone that has to try the case. The blue line matters to the cops and the FOP.
    Doing there best to make sure this goes away is what matters to Shady’s lawyers.
    They are each reacting according to their nature.
    None of that should surprise anyone. Unfortunately neither should some troll spewing Pats hate in an unrelated thread.

  20. mack2x says: Feb 22, 2016 1:02 PM

    If you read the post on Roto World, it states..
    The police report said a member of McCoy’s entourage tried to take a bottle of champagne from a group of off-duty officers, sparking the brawl.
    — I wouldn’t be too happy with some idiot coming over and taking something off my table either.

  21. jayhawk6 says: Feb 22, 2016 1:08 PM

    Just what is a “…private criminal complaint”?

  22. whitewalkerinphilly says: Feb 22, 2016 1:09 PM

    jag1959 says:
    Feb 22, 2016 1:00 PM
    Facts matter to someone that has to try the case. The blue line matters to the cops and the FOP.
    Doing there best to make sure this goes away is what matters to Shady’s lawyers.
    They are each reacting according to their nature.
    None of that should surprise anyone. Unfortunately neither should some troll spewing Pats hate in an unrelated thread.
    _______

    You’re right.

    By only concern is that the more I hear, the more I suspect that the Blue Line going up against a well paid attorney is the only reason this is still a thing. I suspect in most cases, this is a quick arrest or a quick plea bargain to a nuisance charge.

    But it seems that every time the FOP and PPD come out, they double down on their story and refuse to accept any outcome that does not involve the maximum penalty. I even heard an interview where McNesbit rejects the idea or a settlement.

  23. granadafan says: Feb 22, 2016 1:17 PM

    The idiotic mayor made it impossible for McCoy to get a fair trial, combined with the crooked police commission protecting one of their own. Where are Internal Affairs and an auditor to look into the finances of the civilians who happen to be cops?

  24. mongo3401 says: Feb 22, 2016 1:37 PM

    It’s more probable the not:) at this point in time it’s impossible to establish exactly who started what. Without that basic determination the DA cannot hope to bring this to court. It would be a long drawn out waste of the tax payers money. I am positive there are more important issues on the DA plate then what appears to be a bar fight over? nobody knows for sure.

  25. mmack66 says: Feb 22, 2016 1:48 PM

    Did this fight take place at Paddy’s Pub?

  26. torebear says: Feb 22, 2016 1:54 PM

    So people who have money can get off a charge, while someone who doesn’t can get railroaded?

    I’m surprised there aren’t more Judges taking bribes. Being rich is like a license to kill.

  27. mmack66 says: Feb 22, 2016 2:23 PM

    mongo3401 says:
    Feb 22, 2016 1:37 PM

    It’s more probable the not:) at this point in time it’s impossible to establish exactly who started what. Without that basic determination the DA cannot hope to bring this to court. It would be a long drawn out waste of the tax payers money. I am positive there are more important issues on the DA plate then what appears to be a bar fight over? nobody knows for sure.
    ————————–

    Too bad Goodellbot and his owners didn’t follow that same logic with regards to the Framegate* fiasco.

  28. ibangrocks4fun says: Feb 22, 2016 3:48 PM

    Why is LeSean guilty before proven innocent?Typical Eagles fans are like “gotcha Shady!!!” Reports are back and forth but there is no solid evidence of McCoy assaulting anyone.

  29. chriskap11 says: Feb 22, 2016 6:02 PM

    The suspension if anything should be one or two games max. You don’t have guy beating on a woman or his spouse but rather an altercation with equally sized men making poor choices with all concerned

  30. jeffreyshulenburg says: Feb 22, 2016 9:14 PM

    I’m surprised there aren’t more Judges taking bribes. Being rich is like a license to kill.
    _________________________________________

    Ask Aaron Hernandez about that one. And see how well getting off left OJ

  31. paulieorkid says: Feb 22, 2016 11:49 PM

    “However it turns out, remember that the post-Ray Rice NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system.”

    I think what you meant to say was remember that the post-Ben Roethlisberger NFL no longer defers to the outcome of the justice system – since the Roethlisberger move clearly pre-dated the Rice incident.

    Goodell slapped six games on Ben based on a mere singular accusation and despite the fact no criminal charges even being filed. [The six game suspension was later reduced to four games.]

    As for McCoy’s matter, if the video is inconclusive and there are no other credible witnesses — we can forget about establishing proof beyond a reasonable doubt; and thus, forget about the filing of criminal charges. It’s now a He Said/He Said.

  32. nhpats says: Feb 25, 2016 5:20 PM

    mikermiker says:
    Feb 22, 2016 11:56 AM
    Pats fans just happy something takes the focus off how bad their team cheats its cool though bro.

    ———-
    Dang…..still not over the beat-down the Pats gave your secondary in the SB?

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