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#Deflategate case continues Thursday

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Nearly six months after Judge Richard Berman overturned Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, Brady and the NFL return to court for the next round in the #Deflategate drama.

On Thursday, the lawyers will descend on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the federal appellate courts that encompasses New York, Connecticut, and Vermont. Before three judges, the NFL’s lawyer will go first, making the case for reversing Judge Berman’s decision. Then, Brady’s lawyer will respond. The NFL will have the last word, since it’s the party trying to change the status quo.

The judges, a panel that based on political affiliations supports Brady’s interests, won’t issue a ruling from the bench. Their questions could create hints as to where they are leaning; quite often, the party facing the toughest test faces the most pointed inquiries.

Eventually, a written decision will be issued. The losing party will have the ability to file a request for rehearing before the full Second Circuit, and its 20-plus judges. After that process is resolved, with or without a rehearing being granted, the losing party will have the power to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In the Supreme Court, the first question will be whether the highest court in the country will take the case. The vast majority of petitions filed with the Supreme Court fail. Then, if the appeal is accepted, it will be fully briefed and presented before the Justices and ruled upon.

The process, which already has consumed nearly a year, could consume two or more on top of that before it’s done. The only relatively sure thing is that, given Brady’s new contract, the case will be resolved before he retires.

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152 Responses to “#Deflategate case continues Thursday”
  1. therea1pmac says: Mar 2, 2016 8:18 PM

    20 million, just think about that number..20 MILLION….anyone who cares about the facts of this case, or cares to try and be objective…just review the testimony to date…20 MILLION……TWENTY MILLION dollars on balls that deflated in the cold.

    Absolutely and utterly insane…

  2. Seprix says: Mar 2, 2016 8:23 PM

    Roger Goodell doesn’t like to be wrong.

  3. goodellisaclown says: Mar 2, 2016 8:29 PM

    Any rational person would assume that if the NFL looses this appeal, it would be the end of it. Then again, any rational person would have assumed the NFL would have dropped it long before now.

    Honestly, it wouldn’t shock me if the league kept this thing going until they get a favorable ruling. Goodell has probably dispatched Mike Kensil to D.C. to lobby Obama to appoint a Jets fan to fill Scalia’s spot as we speak. Meanwhile, they better hope Trump doesn’t win… otherwise things might get even uglier.

  4. NYCTourGuy (Bucs fan) says: Mar 2, 2016 8:32 PM

    Is my tax money being spent on this stupidity?

  5. jimmybrock says: Mar 2, 2016 8:32 PM

    Is the Supreme Court even hearing cases? That may be a year away before Scalia is replaced

  6. realtruthteller100 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM

    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.

  7. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM

    NFL HQ’s pettiness, total lack of objectivity and integrity, and brazen disregard for the truth pales in comparison to what Brady did or didn’t do.

    From the outset, NFL HQ has acted like (keystone) cops on the take. All trust in them is gone forever.

  8. seriously423 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:40 PM

    it’s not about INTEGRITY.

    it’s about STUPIDITY!!!

    Jones, Mara, Benson, McNair, Irsay and on and on………..

  9. flash1287 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:45 PM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM
    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.

    Except he wasn’t “proven guilty”

  10. ggreen657 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:46 PM

    I got so tired of this that I actually bought an air pressure gauge just like that used by the NFL. I pumped up a high school football to 12.5 lbs that my son had when he played in VA. Then I let it sit for 2 hours to make sure it didn’t lose any air pressure (it didn’t). After that I set it outside for 2 hours; the temperature was 43 degrees. When I put the gauge back on the ball the pressure was 10.7 lbs. Lower than the ball measured the night of the AFC championship game. I challenge anyone to do the same thing. When I saw the NFL report that they measured footballs throughout the season and that none of them were in violation, I knew they were liars. But don’t trust me, try it for yourself.

  11. paulnoga says: Mar 2, 2016 8:48 PM

    The Patriots will lose a #1 draft pick. The pick was from the Patriots cheating again, not Brady specifically.

  12. footballfan58 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:50 PM

    It’s astounding how inept Goodell and his cronies are. This whole thing has gone beyond ridiculous.

  13. j0esixpack says: Mar 2, 2016 8:53 PM

    Goodell has everyone looking at footballs that science confirms weren’t deflated

    Meanwhile he’s embezzeling $120 million from the NFLPA on behalf of the owners

    That’s called a “rope a dope” folks

    I’d love to see each owner stand up and say with a straight face that they believe Goodell has “unquestioned integrity” as he must, by their own rules, to remain commissioner

    How ironic that the “protector of the shield” it turns out is inherently unfair and corrupt

    And when the front office of the NFL is unfair, the sport itself is unfair

    It’s a crime what Goodell has done to this sport we love

  14. thefox61 says: Mar 2, 2016 8:55 PM

    I am not a fan of Brady or the Patriots. But, even I am getting tired of this. Whether or not Brady knew that something was being done to the footballs (I think he did) is irrelevant as there has been no concrete evidence that he did. Can we please just move on.

  15. turtlehut says: Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM

    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.

  16. tylawspick6 says: Mar 2, 2016 9:10 PM

    Roger Goodell is a psychopath. Period.

    He lied about Spygate too, and now he’s lying about Deflategate with the backing and prodding of about 5 seethingly jealous AFC owners.

    Look at Baltimore wildly overpaying Flacco out of desperation. It will be somehow blamed on the Pats with a severe punishment.

    I just learned today that the reason why the Pats don’t where their throwbacks anymore is because a “new” rule was put in 2013 banning throwback helmets.

    I am not kidding.

    Anyone thinking the REAL cheating is NOT occuring behind the scenes, with rule changes or attempted framejobs like Spygate and now, Deflategate, is a moron.

    Roger Goodell is a LIAR.

    This is about jealousy, money and PARITY to gain the best possible ROI for all owners within the CBA structure.

    I’ve know it all along.

    Note how all of it never adds up or makes sense. Why? It’s made up.

  17. terripet says: Mar 2, 2016 9:20 PM

    the outcome will be different this time GUILTY

  18. famundacheese says: Mar 2, 2016 9:22 PM

    Deflate gate is a joke. A lot of QBs did this at times. It is just going on for all the previous cheating that can’t come out, cause it would ruin the integrity of the league.

  19. tonebones says: Mar 2, 2016 9:22 PM

    The loss of the #1 draft pick will hopefully send a message to other teams that are thinking about cheating. The Patriots will continue to cheat, regardless, but in the end, they’ll answer to a higher power. Id they’re cheating at football, they’re probably doing things that are much worse in the eyes of the almighty.

  20. chawk12thman says: Mar 2, 2016 9:24 PM

    The issue is what power does the office of the Comm have to handle these cases and then dole out the penalties…….?

    Brady will forever have the taint of what he did/didn’t do in this case. If the NFL loses their appeal at this or another stage, it will not stop those Brady hater’s from hating and the Brady supporters from supporting. Like the REP and DEM divide on the political issues we now see everyday in the news, the NFL fans have dug in and nothing will change that…

  21. tylawspick6 says: Mar 2, 2016 9:24 PM

    Dear Fox61,

    Why on earth would Brady squeeze 13 footballs, he personally blesses 2 hours before game time, only to have some part time employee randomly take air out in a miraculous world record time of 90 seconds?

    Are you stupid? Who believes this?

    This is like having someone you don’t know tune your guitar for you before you go on stage. Guitar players don’t let people fiddle with their equipment and NFL QBs certainly don’t want that once the balls are in the bag after being squeezed.

    Are you mentally deranged?

    Also, if Wells really wanted to prove this, he’d pull the security footage from the Ravens/Pats game. If McNally uses the bathroom then, then maybe you have a sign of a pattern of behavior. But, you know what? It’s not in the Wells Report is it?

    Sheriff Goebbels has ya hoodwinked just like he did with Spygate. Ya know why the destroyed those tapes and was so evasive about it? Because it showed other teams filming from the sidleliens towards NE’s sideline. That sideline portion of the rule was introduced in 2006, as his first order of business on 9.6.06 via a memo to ALL 32 teams. Ya know why all 32 teams? Because he changed the rule on the fly in the game day manual. Belichick knew, probably chuckled at Goodell doing what Woody Johnson wanted, which is why NE didn’t get punished in 2006.

    In 2007, Mangini wanted a 2nd camera in Foxborough which is not allowed and the NFL shut his cameras down. No punishment, nothing.

    BB MOCKED Mangini in Week 1 of 2007. Mocked him. He wanted Estrella seen. Mocking someone is not cheating.

    NEWSFLASH: You’ve been duped by Wells/Goodell.

    The whole reason why he uses Wells, too, is to make it seem like he’s removed from the equation, which is why he lied about not knowing about Deflategate until Monday morning, yet Troy Vicncent and Grigson teamed up KNOWING what they were doing prior to the game that Sunday. Troy Vincent kept this pending supposed cheating a secret from Goodell? LOL

    Please. Born at night, not last night.

    They lied and misrepresented to be able to punish to try to keep parity.

    NE will likely be going to their 6th STRAIGHT AFC Title game in January. Who knows, maybe they won’t, but if you’re putting money on it, wouldn’t you bet that to be the case?

    Ya with me?

    Goodell needs Jax in London. Right now, Kahn is taking MONEY from London’s games to support his crap market team in Jax. Jax will be moving to London.

    FACT

    You can’t expand with TWO teams in Europe, which means since the Rams moved to LA, STL would need a BRAND NEW team which is not happening without a stadium deal.

    Got it?

    So, this means Goodell needs parity to quell the fears of nervous London investors.

    You need an EVEN amount of NFL teams, which means a team would need to MOVE from the states to London, not have TWO new teams created.

    You think Paris or Frankfurt will host a team with London all at once?

    Absolutely not. London is a risk as it is. The London Jaguars. Book it.

    Kahn has them signed up to play there for the next 5 years. This is not a coincidence.

    How can Goodell sell parity if it doesn’t exist in the NFL right now?

  22. popandfresh says: Mar 2, 2016 9:37 PM

    #overinflated

  23. plum54 says: Mar 2, 2016 9:38 PM

    The NFL has already admitted in federal court they had no evidence . None. They also admitted they had no idea cold weather caused pressure to be lost due to the Ideal Gas Law. No clue about 7th grade science.
    Maybe the judges can ask the NFL who gave the erroneous PSI levels to Mort & why they never corrected them. Or why they believed everything Walt Anderson said until it exonerated the Pats. Or why they lied about the Wells report being independent when in fact it wasn’t . Or why they lied about the testimony in the appeal? Or why Wells said he didn’t need Tom’s phone & that Tom cooperated fully , all denied by Roger!

  24. trainwrecksryan says: Mar 2, 2016 9:52 PM

    …and can we please stop with the lies that Goodell favors the Patriots or is in Kraft’s pocket? Doesn’t Goodell’s behavior prove otherwise?

  25. suggahbuggah says: Mar 2, 2016 9:58 PM

    Goodell has got to go…you were all warned in the Bounty fiasco what a richerd this guy was…he has to go, he has all but ruined the game for me, i have been a fan since 1963..

  26. chriskap11 says: Mar 2, 2016 10:16 PM

    Look I’m a Bills fan and I love when Brady struggles but enough of this stupidity. Let’s just go on with football

  27. gaffya says: Mar 2, 2016 10:19 PM

    the thing about this case is the science heavily favors the NFL,If a scientist from both Columbia and Yale didn’t come to the conclusion that the ideal gas law could not possibly be responsible for the amount of pressure lost there would be nothing there…but they concluded that human tampering absolutely did occur….And if only there wasn’t video of a equipment guy taking a bag of footballs into a bathroom that was OUT OF SERVICE (no working urinal or toilet ) and locking the door,then there would be nothing there….but the camera doesn’t lie….If only *Brady didn’t destroy his phone within seconds of the NFL requesting it then there would be nothing there but again, *Brady destroyed it…..it’s open and shut people GUILTY ! now, if only Troy Vincent had notified *Brady he could face suspension we wouldn’t be here and proper justice would have been served already but he didn’t so Judge I take bribes Berman doled out this complete miscarriage of justice….the higher court won’t make the same mistake
    *Brady’s reign of cheating will finally come to an end……..

  28. mmack66 says: Mar 2, 2016 10:23 PM

    Seprix says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:23 PM

    Roger Goodell doesn’t like to be wrong.
    ————————–

    Could have fooled me.

  29. huh6016 says: Mar 2, 2016 10:29 PM

    The NFL is becoming ANNOYING!!!

  30. futures44 says: Mar 2, 2016 10:32 PM

    3 out of 4 footballs the colts used were under the allowable PSI range. When are they losing draft picks.

  31. pauldeba says: Mar 2, 2016 10:48 PM

    The wells report proves that the Patriots did nothing, yet Ted wells ignored his own report data and hung his hat on evidence that was contradicted by other parts of the report and speculation. Wells committed fraud and goodell conspired with him,at leasttacitly . both should spend time in jail.

  32. brucetrimble says: Mar 2, 2016 10:51 PM

    This your NFL, Goodell

  33. jaxon51 says: Mar 2, 2016 10:52 PM

    Congrats to Brady, we all knew he would play opening night last year and it looks like he will play all 16 games next year. Goodell is an idiot and needs to go. He Marcia Clark-ed this whole Deflategate scandal. $12.5 million and 15 months later for this Roger- really? What did he spend on Spygate? About $12,500 and investigated for about a week. And then pleased all of NE area by destroying more evidence in Foxboro four days after softly ruling on what will go down as the biggest cheating scandal in sports. Pats orginazation has gotta be relieved he didn’t pursue Spygate with $12.5 million and same vengeance.
    Kraft didn’t except the fine and loss of draft picks last year without knowing what went down.
    Brady getting booed at halftime of the Super Bowl wasn’t just because of all the Denver fans in the stands. He will continue to get booed for the rest of his life. NFL fans have made their minds up about this guy and the orginazation / people he plays for. At least he will have 8 home games each year.

  34. mayoroffoxboro says: Mar 2, 2016 11:06 PM

    Your team could be next. That’s why you should be pulling for the PA. Any other team, any other player and this would of never made it out of the AFC Title game. This is now about Rodg trying to save face so he can keep his job before Brady takes it in 5 years.

    The Mayor has spoken.
    Also the Foxboro fire department meet and greet has been moved to Friday at 2:00

  35. elevandoo says: Mar 2, 2016 11:07 PM

    If the nfl is spending 20mil, they should at a minimum take away one SB trophy at the investigation completion. Also, that trophy should be given to rex ryan because of the storied rivalry he has with bill belichick.

  36. margoadams says: Mar 2, 2016 11:23 PM

    14 months, $20M all over something that could’ve been settled with a $50K fine at most. Ridiculous!

  37. dynasonic says: Mar 2, 2016 11:24 PM

    Has anyone ever figured out why the balls were stolen and taken for a trip to the bathroom. I mean, it’s on video. It happened. That can’t be disputed right? So…. why did that happen?

  38. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 2, 2016 11:27 PM

    Brady’s guilt or innocence is actually irrelevant in this case. At this point the NFL is only concerned about the hammer they could potentially wield in all cases going forward if they win. And let’s be honest even if he’s guilty, something that has yet to be proven as fact, it’s Jay walking at worst. The idea that the NFL treated it like steroids is something that the last judge thought was moronic at best.

  39. dreadpirate88 says: Mar 3, 2016 12:35 AM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM
    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.
    —————————————–

    Proven by whom? Did you even read the Wells Report? Did you catch how the NFL’s lead attorney admitted in court that they had no direct evidence?

  40. thisonesforpat says: Mar 3, 2016 1:08 AM

    “…that said”…good Lord, really?

  41. charger383 says: Mar 3, 2016 1:22 AM

    Seprix says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:23 PM

    Roger Goodell doesn’t like to be wrong

    But I like it when he is

  42. rogerWWEgoodell says: Mar 3, 2016 1:24 AM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM
    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.
    —-
    Amazing, even with the nfl being forced to admit in court they had no evidence at all, there is still people with this stunning amount of ignorance chiming in.

  43. ladyjet says: Mar 3, 2016 1:45 AM

    He knew he was guilty, destroyed the phone. Why would you destroy the phone if it didn’t have evidence of your guilt? CHEATER

  44. daytontriangles says: Mar 3, 2016 2:07 AM

    I can’t wait for the appeals judges to ask the NFL lawyers to hand over all of the PSI measurement data from all of the 2015 regular season and playoff games.

    You did gather that data, right Goodell?

  45. m8gaman says: Mar 3, 2016 2:26 AM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM
    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.
    =======================
    You might want to alert Goodell & Ted Wells that you have the proof, clearly you know something that nobody else does…oh wait…you mean you don’t fully comprehend basic science or physics in general? Shoot, I really thought you were on to something there, turns out your just another

    CRYBABYNATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

  46. broncosrchamps says: Mar 3, 2016 3:42 AM

    Who cares we got the draft picks from them. Elway thanks you mr commissioner.

  47. broncosrchamps says: Mar 3, 2016 3:42 AM

    Enjoy the first day of the draft Patriot fans. BWAAAAAAAA!

  48. patriottony says: Mar 3, 2016 5:47 AM

    Wellllll it’s winter on the east coast…and all you PATS haters (Morons),,how many times have you put air in your tires this winter????
    Even steelers and ravens fan know on a cold winter day..you go out and your tires are a cpl lbs low. Btw READ the tag on your DOOR panel of the car…it says…..TIRE PRESSURE (COLD) 32 psi WHY….because there is difference in tire pressure between warm over 75 degrees and cold tires…..there has been since Firestone developed the inflatable tire 120 years ago…

  49. limakey says: Mar 3, 2016 6:15 AM

    Brady cheated. He will pay for this one way or the other. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has not taken any responsibility for this and has thrown JM and JJ under the bus. Sorry, but I hope he continues to get dragged through the mud.

  50. ruddigermc says: Mar 3, 2016 6:17 AM

    I am baffled at how many people still think Brady cheated based on the NFL’s “evidence.” I haven’t seen such an ignorant attack on science since the Catholic Church in the days of Galileo. Morons keep accepting truth from Goodell, news from Mort, and science from Bill Nye and ignore real science from actual university studies done by people contribute to human knowledge not try to set science back decades.

  51. sidepull says: Mar 3, 2016 7:36 AM

    Its a witch hunt now, always has been, and will forever be.
    I you think otherwise you just are blind with hate for the Pats. Its a croc, a blatant sham, but otherwise keep living the lie suckers.

  52. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: Mar 3, 2016 7:38 AM

    Suspended. Four games. Game over.

  53. bmacwillconn says: Mar 3, 2016 7:58 AM

    The explanation for the outrageous cost and amount of time this or any other legal proceedings takes to adjudicate, is money.

    Money pocketed by the vulture lawyers.

  54. fireroger says: Mar 3, 2016 8:01 AM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM
    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.
    ==============
    Huh? It was decided he was guilty. That much is certain. Proven? Hardly. The court affirmed your claim though. The appellate court is about to do it again.

  55. Patskrieg says: Mar 3, 2016 8:01 AM

    Man did I miss this Mason-esque legal spectacle.

    NFL: Your honor, article 46 of the CBA says Mr Goodell can do whatever he wants.

    Judge: Not even close.

    NFL: Yeah… But it should.

  56. boyso3 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:02 AM

    turtlehut
    Mar 2, 2016, 9:04 PM EST
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.

    This is a perfect example of people who don’t pay attention to things but just offer an opinion anyway. First, the Pats never suspended the 2 employees, it was at the request of the NFL. And if they did do what they are accused of then why did the NFL allow them to be reinstated? Secondly, you say that the Pats organization didn’t fight the punishment. The truth is that Brady is fighting it. That is exactly what we’re talking about here. This is the NFL’s attempt to appeal Berman’s decision that was in favor of Brady. As for Kraft, his options are very limited. He only had to 2 choices. One was to fight it out in court. Remember as an owner he’s not afforded the same rights as Brady. He doesn’t have a union behind him protecting his rights. He would have to take the NFL to court, which means he would be going after his fellow owners. Not a smart move to single yourself out. See Al Davis as a perfect example as to why you don’t do that. Given his 2 choices anyone with a brain can see why he excepted the fines. The alternative is just not worth it. Why don’t you actually pay attention to things you’re going to comment on. That way you will have some intelligent and well thought out things to say.

  57. tigerlilac says: Mar 3, 2016 8:05 AM

    The Patriots didn’t lose a draft pick because they cheat; they had a draft pick taken away because they win.

    The straw that broke the cowardly owners’ backs was the 2014 AFC divisional game against the Ravens when Brady and Belichick came back from 14 points down twice, using trick plays. John Harbaugh threw a sissy fit, running out on the field and and crying to the cameras after the game. The Patriots were making a mockery of NFL parity, which they obliterated the next week against Indy. A drug-addicted owner and a GM that was over his head concocted a plan to take from the Patriots what they could not earn on the field, a victory.

    Of course, the Giants and Broncos beat the Patriots the old fashioned way. Alas, the owners of Ravens, Colts, Jets and other owners preferred to stab Kraft in the back and get their cronies in the NFL offices to kneecap the Patriots for them.

    Anyone who has figured out this yet can’t handle the truth.

  58. fireroger says: Mar 3, 2016 8:07 AM

    turtlehut says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.
    ================
    More specifically, the Patriots surrendered unprecedented penalties (again) based on a biased and tragically flawed process that most people readily recognize proved nothing (again). The same process where the team had no recourse but to accept the penalties unless they wanted to go the Al Davis pariah route.

  59. fireroger says: Mar 3, 2016 8:08 AM

    Can’t wait to see the NFL lose again. The in Goodell we trust campaign needs to end. Soon.

  60. iamapatsfan says: Mar 3, 2016 8:11 AM

    turtlehut says:Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM

    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.

    —–

    Your mind-blowing ignorance of everything relating to this case is so sad I can’t do anything but shake my head and laugh at your compete and utter incompetance and ignorance. I won’t even try to correct you and the others like you because you apparently prefer being out in the cold rather than udnerstanding the truth lol.

    You and the people like you never cease to amaze and amuse me. Thank you!

  61. deuce656 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:22 AM

    I think Denver’s D handed out a significant beat down on little Tommy the liar!! Isn’t it enough for him to think about his choke job and horrible performance all offseason? Case closed

  62. gotitan says: Mar 3, 2016 8:27 AM

    Why was the Deflater in the bathroom with the balls? Why did your owner give up a draft pick in next month’s draft? Why didn’t they contest the million dollar fine? Why did Brady destroy his phone?

    So many questions, so few answers. $20m, $30m, what ever it takes to show the truth.

    19-0, still have my popcorn ready. I guess you also conveniently forgot about shoving that down our throats all off season, then expect others to feel sorry for you when you cheat and loose.

  63. metalup666 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:27 AM

    So why weren’t the balls for the Colts below the required air pressure? They were playing in the same cold weather right? I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, but just curious on that scientific fact.

  64. Mo Pro Babble says: Mar 3, 2016 8:30 AM

    turtlehut says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.

    What’s astounding is that some still cling to this deflator text. Hopefully, they never see a jury room.

  65. ( . Y . ) says: Mar 3, 2016 8:30 AM

    I have to see, seeing the shift in the thumbs up/down in favor of sanity (ie: there was no “deflation”) gives me hope for this country. Although there are still some really really really dumb people. “Brady was proven guilty”, LMFAO, when did that happen??? Was that when he testified under oath that he didn’t do anything, and Goodell then made up Brady’s testimony in his decision, and requested it be sealed. Sorry, but so far the ONLY person to go under oath was Brady, that tells me more than anything. Aside from the fact that people still pretend the Colts’ balls were legal, hint, they weren’t…

  66. dexterismyhero says: Mar 3, 2016 8:31 AM

    Omaha!!!!!

  67. laukkanen5 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:39 AM

    meanwhile the Browns owner is still walking around after he defrauded tons and tons of trucking companies, causing a few to go out of business….

    only in America, let some hillbilly walk for a crime that hurt thousands but go after Brady for doing nothing wrong..

    goodell is a clown

  68. cb3313 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:49 AM

    realtruthteller100 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:35 PM

    in this country your inocent til proven guilty. brady was proven guilty so now its time to protect the sheild and make sure he never plays another down.
    ________________________________________

    “Proven Guilty” on Troll Fantasy Island is different than proven guilty in the real world…Time to continue to expose the NFL lies…

  69. cb3313 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:53 AM

    turtlehut says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.
    ________________________________________

    That is great spin from Troll Fantasy Island. However, the truth is Kraft reluctantly accepted the fines to avoid suing himself and 31 business partners in court…I understand that doesn’t fit the Trolls Fantasy, but the rest of the world realizes this…

  70. metalup666 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:56 AM

    “Aside from the fact that people still pretend the Colts’ balls were legal, hint, they weren’t…”

    Proof?

  71. cb3313 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:59 AM

    paulnoga says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:48 PM

    The Patriots will lose a #1 draft pick. The pick was from the Patriots cheating again, not Brady specifically.
    ________________________________________

    Easy to make accusations, as we see from all the Trolls. Tough to prove the accusations, as we see from the NFL, ESPN and all the Trolls.

    NFL, ESPN & Trolls want to skip the PROVING part and go right to the execution. First Federal Judge slapped you/them down. Hopefully, these 3 Federal Judges do the same.

    Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not, Guilty because the Haters say you are…

  72. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 9:00 AM

    I SO can’t wait for the player’s association to strike and forcing the league to scrub the rot from 345 Park Ave.🙂

    I wonder if fans can join them on the picket line!
    🙂

  73. streetyson says: Mar 3, 2016 9:02 AM

    turtlehut says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.

    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.
    ——————————
    This case reveals your extreme ignorance. The appeal is on the NFL’s process (or rather, their right to ignore the CBA), but the overall case really is about whether Brady deflated balls. Berman found many holes (dodgy dossier, lack of evidence, biased arbitrator, falsified data and spreading lies thereof, slander…) but he was able to put them to one side because the NFL had denied Brady a fair internal appeal.

    Even if you THINK Brady is guilty, why not give him a fair appeal, why not let his counsel question the NFL co-author? Why did Goodell refuse to accept the phone records Brady belatedly coughed up at his NFL appeal? Why did they lie about the data? We also now know that Exponent contrived the photos to hide the differences between the two gauges, to make Wells’ baseless assertion more credible that referee Walt Anderson was mistaken about which needle he used (critical to the data).

    As to the Pats team, even Wells found they were not involved, and Kraft never accepted guilt (he just wasn’t going to take his own billionaires club to court – he’d be partly suing himself). And finally, it was the NFL who advised the Pats in a phone call that by rule the game-day guys had to be suspended. And then the NFL lied about that too.

  74. cb3313 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:05 AM

    ggreen657 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:46 PM
    I got so tired of this that I actually bought an air pressure gauge just like that used by the NFL. I pumped up a high school football to 12.5 lbs that my son had when he played in VA. Then I let it sit for 2 hours to make sure it didn’t lose any air pressure (it didn’t). After that I set it outside for 2 hours; the temperature was 43 degrees. When I put the gauge back on the ball the pressure was 10.7 lbs. Lower than the ball measured the night of the AFC championship game. I challenge anyone to do the same thing. When I saw the NFL report that they measured footballs throughout the season and that none of them were in violation, I knew they were liars. But don’t trust me, try it for yourself.
    ______________________________________

    The Trolls can’t do any of this with their fingers stuck in their ears…They won’t do anything that might ruin the Fantasy they have about this…Hundreds of scientists have conduct studies over the years to prove the Ideal Gas Law, but the Trolls don’t believe them. Instead, they believe Roger and the NFL that admittedly knew nothing about IGL before last year. Therefore, we know the Trolls/NFL have Zero Credibility. I hope Patriot fans point this out at every turn….

  75. gotitan says: Mar 3, 2016 9:16 AM

    Funny how we are “trolls”. At least your not bias.

  76. brohamma says: Mar 3, 2016 9:19 AM

    I still can’t believe the NFL is going after this issue. Hopefully, one of the first questions from the judges is, “well NFL, if you feel so strongly about this issue then why did the PATRIOTS have to send the footballs in question to New York after YOU LEFT THE EVIDENCE BEHIND??”

    Seriously, the NFL left the footballs (the key evidence) back in Foxboro. In fact, the Patriots had to CALL the NFL to let them know!

    The best would be if the judges, as Berman did, rule that the gathered information by the NFL over the past season be made public. Especially, the Patriots – Chiefs game readings at halftime.. you remember, the one where the refs LEFT THE FOOTBALLS AT THE HOTEL and had to be escorted by the police back to get them and then back to the Razor.

    The NFL offices there in NY need to be turned upside down and steam cleaned.

  77. streetyson says: Mar 3, 2016 9:21 AM

    metalup666 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:27 AM
    So why weren’t the balls for the Colts below the required air pressure? They were playing in the same cold weather right? I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, but just curious on that scientific fact.
    ————–
    Because 3 out of 4 were underinflated too, depending on which gauge you go by (and 1 was underinflated on both gauges)! And which gauge you go by is important because if you go by the gauge ref Andrrson said he used, then the loss in the Pats’ balls from a pregame level of 12.5 is just as credible as the loss in the Colts balls from a pregame level of 13. They only tested 4 Colts balls and probably stopped because it would look bad if that became 11 out of 12…

  78. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 9:25 AM

    metalup666 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:27 AM
    So why weren’t the balls for the Colts below the required air pressure? They were playing in the same cold weather right? I think the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, but just curious on that scientific fact.
    ___________________________________

    Um, 3 of the 4 Colt’s ball tested were under and they started off at 13 psi. Lets get the facts before we make stupid comments.

  79. molly169 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:26 AM

    realtruthteller100 should learn “real” grade school grammar before posting on a national site. It is you’re not your!

  80. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 9:27 AM

    Hundreds of scientists have conduct studies over the years to prove the Ideal Gas Law, but the Trolls don’t believe them.
    ==========================
    Questions:
    A.) Fact: Then Why did Brady destroy his cell phone right before getting interviewed?
    B.) Fact: Then why did the Patriots fire ‘the deflator’?

    Conclusion:
    Not enough evidence to convict doesn’t necessarily mean ‘not guilty’….TRUTH

  81. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 9:29 AM

    metalup666 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:56 AM
    “Aside from the fact that people still pretend the Colts’ balls were legal, hint, they weren’t…”

    Proof?

    _______________________

    Proof??? Really??? Read the damn Wells report. Idiot.

  82. jag1959 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:32 AM

    turtlehut says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:04 PM
    This case is not about Brady’s guilt or innocence, it is about the process the NFL followed.
    The Patriots gave up draft picks, paid a hefty fine and suspended two employees (including the “Deflater”). The Patriots organization did not protest, rather they accepted punishment (once again) for their cheating.
    ____________________

    No, the league is appealing because the arbitration decision was rejected by a federal judge based on a flawed process that failed both the terms of the CBA and federal labor law.
    The Patriots gave up the draft picks and paid the fine because under the terms of the league’s constitution they have no real recourse. The employees were suspended at the behest of the league and have been reinstated with the league’s blessing (think about that one for a moment). Kraft did in fact protest, then bowed to the inevitable recognizing he was one of thirty two and hoping that would be the end of it.
    But yeah, other than what anyone that has actually read all the publicly available info would know you have a real grasp of things.

    This has nothing to do with Brady or footballs, if it ever really did. This is about the what the league believes is the almost absolute power of the commissioner’s office under the CBA. And this is coming from a properly informed Giants fan.

  83. plum54 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:33 AM

    The ignorance of some posters is astounding! 3/4 Dolts balls were under the 12.5 limit! That’s a fact!
    Read something besides the headlines only for a change.

  84. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 9:33 AM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:27 AM
    Hundreds of scientists have conduct studies over the years to prove the Ideal Gas Law, but the Trolls don’t believe them.
    ==========================
    Questions:
    A.) Fact: Then Why did Brady destroy his cell phone right before getting interviewed?
    B.) Fact: Then why did the Patriots fire ‘the deflator’?

    Conclusion:
    Not enough evidence to convict doesn’t necessarily mean ‘not guilty’….TRUTH
    ________________________________

    Brady always “destroys” his phone. Wells said he didn’t need it the day before it was disabled and replaced. Why did Goodell not want the texts and emails Brady provided afterwards?

    The Patriots did not fire McNally, the NFL told them to suspend both employees. McNally was reinstated at the beginning of last season and worked every home game.

    Get your facts straight.

  85. plum54 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:36 AM

    More ignorance from posters in the time it took me to type a response.!
    First of all Wells said he did not need Toms phone! Secondly the NFL demanded the ball boys be suspended, they have since been reinstated.
    If you read any of the appeal you would know that!

  86. weepingjebus says: Mar 3, 2016 9:36 AM

    Read an article a few weeks ago about the Pentagon realizing its giant blimp had torn loose and floated through Pennsylvania was because weather conditions had changed and it deflated. If Goodell were an Air Force general he’d be court martialing hundreds of people right now for being generally aware that blimps can deflate when it gets cold.

  87. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:38 AM

    ““Aside from the fact that people still pretend the Colts’ balls were legal, hint, they weren’t…”

    Proof?”

    3 of the 4 Colts balls measured were under psi at which point they “ran out of time” to continue measuring that team’s balls because it didn’t fit the framegate narrative.

    This is fact and in the Wells report also admitted by the league elsewhere though buried to hide it.

  88. dstroi says: Mar 3, 2016 9:40 AM

    Even if he was found guilty for any wrong doing regarding football deflation, my question is why this offense warrants a 4 game suspension, 1mm fine and the loss of 2 draft picks? Other teams have been caught (under the radar of course because they’re not the Patriots) and have been fined properly for that offense. Isn’t an equipment violation a $25k fine? Honestly, I am confused with this whole debacle. If this was Blake Bortles, would we even hear the same conjecture or crickets? Furthermore, people that spew hatred towards a team and quarterback that they do not favor have issues. Why spend all of your time on every single Patriot column to put in your 2 cents when that cents doesn’t even make sense? Cheater this, asterisk that? what have they or Tom Brady done to be accused of cheating? Deflategate? No. Spygate? Misinterpretation of a rule and paid their fine for it. What about the other 31 teams out there on the cheating list that have done way worse than the Patriots? These individuals that hate the Patriots seem to forget that their own team has been found of wrong doing as well but like to play the double standard card. Like true Patriot fans, we stick with our teams through thick and thin and do not waste our time with jumping on other columns to bash teams that do not concern us.

  89. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:41 AM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:27 AM

    Hundreds of scientists have conduct studies over the years to prove the Ideal Gas Law, but the Trolls don’t believe them.
    ==========================
    Questions:
    A.) Fact: Then Why did Brady destroy his cell phone right before getting interviewed?
    B.) Fact: Then why did the Patriots fire ‘the deflator’?

    Conclusion:
    Not enough evidence to convict doesn’t necessarily mean ‘not guilty’….TRUTH
    ——————————————-

    Answers:
    A.) Fact: He didn’t.
    B.) Fact: They didn’t.

    Conclusion:
    Haters don’t bother to acquaint themselves with the actual facts of the matter….TRUTH

  90. quickbooks12 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:42 AM

    metalup666 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:56 AM
    “Aside from the fact that people still pretend the Colts’ balls were legal, hint, they weren’t…”

    Proof?
    __________

    Have you gone through the concocted Wells Report at all or are you basing your argument on what you want to believe? Pg 73, the Colts balls at halftime were below 12.5 but to cover themselves, there was a lengthy footnote to explain that the referees could have made errors in the gauges they used. It’s unbelievable how you can spin anything to fit an agenda. Let’s not forget the fact that they didn’t bother to test all the Colts balls because of the lack of time, yet “the deflator” was able to get all 11 Patriots balls to a Brady approved amount under 12.5 in less than 2 minutes. Ok sure.

  91. williamshatnerstoupee says: Mar 3, 2016 9:50 AM

    “do not waste our time with jumping on other columns to bash teams that do not concern us.”

    Amusing.

  92. jgedgar70 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:53 AM

    jimmybrock says:
    Mar 2, 2016 8:32 PM
    Is the Supreme Court even hearing cases? That may be a year away before Scalia is replaced
    _____
    Yes they are. Did you miss the amazement last week when Clarence Thomas questioned a lawyer during a hearing for the first time in 10 years? They’re going on with their business. If they deadlock at 4-4 on any case, the decision reached by the lower court will stand. But given how much more there is to this process between now and a Supreme Court hearing – and how stubborn both sides are to refuse to accept a decision against them – I’m sure there will be a new justice in place by the time this case gets to the Supreme Court.

    But this should have been over long ago. I’m among the many that are sick of hearing about it.

    #StopTalkingAboutFlatFootballs

  93. xxbarklikeadogxx says: Mar 3, 2016 9:54 AM

    The evidence was so overwhelming that when confronted, Kraft bent over and said “spank me NFL, we bad again.” That is hardly the vindictive response one would expect from a non-guilty party. Plain and simple, Pats were caught again and they are paying the price. Next!

  94. realdealsteel says: Mar 3, 2016 10:05 AM

    Brady got away last year because of procedure; not because he wasn’t guilty.

    Now that the procedural issue is clear, Brady will be found guilty and he will serve his 4 game suspension. He’s a cheater and he was caught. End of story.

  95. brohamma says: Mar 3, 2016 10:06 AM

    I really would like to see the judges ask the NFL to explain the con-job image of the needle sizes that Exponent did.

    When you look at the photo showing the two gauges on a measuring stick, that NY Prof. Robert Blecker pointed out was so “blatently deceptive,” it is really alarming. There is no way that Walt Anderson could have been wrong in saying which of his needles he used pre-game.

    Hopefully, the judges press the NFL on why they changed Walt Andersons “best recollection” without providing a shred of evidence as to why they did.

    Walt Andersons “best recollection” (that’s a Wells Report word.. recollection, in the hopes of instilling doubt) was not a recollection, it was a certainty.

  96. pats74 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:07 AM

    For everybody complaining that this is about deflated footballs, you’re missing the point entirely here. Personally I couldn’t agree more that the genesis of this was a ridiculous and fraudulent witch hunt on Brady orchestrated by a lot of salty people tired and jealous of the Pats success, both in the NFL front office and a handful across the ownership ranks. That said, unfortunately this has now become about the owners rights as dictated by the CBA, and to them it’s well worth spending $22mil to uphold what they felt they negotiated for. Goodell is a clown, no doubt, but he is paid handsomely to work for the owners and doing exactly what he should here. Hopefully the league loses, and if it does, the sting of having its powers diluted will be far worse than Brady not being suspended…something it deserves for embarking on this whole thing to begin with.

  97. realdealsteel says: Mar 3, 2016 10:07 AM

    Have you gone through the concocted Wells Report at all or are you basing your argument on what you want to believe? Pg 73, the Colts balls at halftime were below 12.5 but to cover themselves, there was a lengthy footnote to explain that the referees could have made errors in the gauges they used. It’s unbelievable how you can spin anything to fit an agenda. Let’s not forget the fact that they didn’t bother to test all the Colts balls because of the lack of time, yet “the deflator” was able to get all 11 Patriots balls to a Brady approved amount under 12.5 in less than 2 minutes. Ok sure.
    ——————————————————————–
    Are you stupid or something???? Do you not remember the text messages from the guy who admitted he deflated the balls for Brady in exchange for autograph jerseys???????????

    Goodall hasn’t forgotten that. And that’s all the proof that he needs at the end of the day. The text messages don’t lie.

  98. kissbillsrings says: Mar 3, 2016 10:08 AM

    Over under on 200 hits??

    It’s Pats related so I’ll say OVER!!!

    Come on trolls… Don’t let me down!!!LOL

    GO PATS!!!!

  99. dan7800 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:11 AM

    The NFL caught Brady doing something wrong and made a deal with Kraft that they NFL would look the other way on other Pats* cheating in exchange for Brady taking the fall for #Deflategate. This is why Kraft so quickly went along with the NFL’s decision.

  100. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Mar 3, 2016 10:15 AM

    gotitan says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:27 AM
    Why was the Deflater in the bathroom with the balls? Why did your owner give up a draft pick in next month’s draft? Why didn’t they contest the million dollar fine? Why did Brady destroy his phone?

    19-0, still have my popcorn ready.
    ————————–

    Why continue to ask questions that have been answered ad infinitum other than to troll?

    Poor titan fan never recovered from that playoff loss to NE. It was 12 years ago, let it go. At least the obsession with the number 19 makes sense. It is the number of regular season games the titans have managed to win in the last four years and coincidentally the number that it has taken the Pats 5 years to lose. Poor little guy

  101. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 10:16 AM

    Brady always “destroys” his phone.
    ==========================
    Hahahaha… and this is your defense? LOL

  102. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 10:19 AM

    Haters don’t bother to acquaint themselves with the actual facts of the matter….TRUTH
    =========================
    Fact: Brady destroyed that phone right before getting interviewed FOR A REASON. LOLOL
    Conclusion:
    Brady slurpers don’t bother to acquaint themselves with the actual facts of the matter….TRUTH

  103. hehateme2 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:27 AM

    Berman was a shill. They NEED to get this right and suspend brady for 6 games.

    2 more added for attempting to insult our intelligence.

  104. kenmasters34 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:30 AM

    @sb44champs says:
    –Conclusion:
    — Not enough evidence to convict doesn’t necessarily mean ‘not guilty’….TRUTH

    Actually, in the court of law, that is what it means.
    1) You are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
    2) if there is not enough evidence to convict you, you are considered innocent.. or not guilty.

  105. bencoates57 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:34 AM

    Ouch, chesswhiley that was vicious! You may just be responsible for a suicide.

  106. Iron Mike says: Mar 3, 2016 10:35 AM

    After $20M wasted, Goodell is on the verge of the SCOTUS over 0.2 PSI. Obviously he is too prideful to admit he was wrong for falling asleep in high school when the Ideal Gas Law was covered.

  107. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 10:36 AM

    2) if there is not enough evidence to convict you, you are considered innocent.. or not guilty.
    =======================
    In real life, this is what it means:
    Not enough evidence to convict doesn’t necessarily mean ‘not guilty’

  108. jag1959 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:43 AM

    realdealsteel says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:07 AM
    Are you stupid or something???? Do you not remember the text messages from the guy who admitted he deflated the balls for Brady in exchange for autograph jerseys???????????

    Goodall hasn’t forgotten that. And that’s all the proof that he needs at the end of the day. The text messages don’t lie.
    ________________

    Talk about stupid or something, those messages do not exist. No one admitted anything of the kind. The text messages saying that do not lie because they do not exist. The lie is in stating that they do. By all means go to the Wells report, find it and post it here. If there was anything akin to that type of smoking gun the league’s counsel would not have admitted in open court that they had no direct evidence.

  109. blessedunliketherest says: Mar 3, 2016 10:56 AM

    @sb44champs – you are sticking to the destroyed phone narrative, which is embarrassing at this point, but let’s go with that. Brady did not “destroy” his phone until after telling Wells they would not be getting the phone bc it was his right under the CBA to not have to provide a personal phone. So by telling Wells he was not getting the phone, it doesn’t matter what he did afterwards. He could have donated to science for all anyone cares – Wells was never getting the phone.

    However, after he was suspended for not providing the phone, he provided Goddell all the contents of the phone (text messages, emails, phone logs, etc.) They choose not to follow up. So again, the phone argument is baseless and pathetic. However, you just need to cling onto something since you are captain of a sinking ship.

  110. plum54 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:56 AM

    The NFL has already admitted in federal court they had NO EVIDENCE ! NONE! End of story!!

  111. blessedunliketherest says: Mar 3, 2016 11:01 AM

    Berman was a shill. They NEED to get this right and suspend brady for 6 games.

    2 more added for attempting to insult our intelligence.
    _________________________________________

    haha this is priceless. You do remember the NFL ran to the NY district court to uphold their ruling and beat the NFLPA from filing in Minnesota? This was the court of the NFL’s choosing and they still got laughed out of it.

    Suspended for 6 games? That is pathetic. Even if Brady did have knowledge (which he didn’t, bc nothing happened), maybe $10K and you move on. The only reason why you are calling for a 6-game suspension is bc your team cannot beat the Patriots and you are holding out for a shred of hope. Its pathetic, really

  112. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 11:05 AM

    sb44champs says:
    =========================
    Fact: Brady destroyed that phone right before getting interviewed FOR A REASON. LOLOL
    Conclusion:
    Brady slurpers don’t bother to acquaint themselves with the actual facts of the matter….TRUTH
    ___________________________________

    You’re wrong, the phone was disabled after Brady concluded his interview and Wells said he didn’t need the phone. Get your facts straight before you state something as fact.

    For a fan of a team that was screwed by Goodell you sure do have it in for the Pats??? I guess you’re just stupid or don’t care about the facts.

  113. kevo95 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:12 AM

    Tommy girl gets away with everything

  114. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 11:17 AM

    For a fan of a team that was screwed by Goodell you sure do have it in for the Pats???
    ============================
    Every NFL fan should have it out for the Pats. 4 Super Bowl victories based on cheating: Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. I guess all of these allegations are wrong huh?
    Where there is smoke, there is fire LOL

  115. stevegrogannakedbootleg says: Mar 3, 2016 11:20 AM

    The reason the ginger hammer MUST pursue this is the implications for his blanket authority decree when he fails. By choosing this case as his Waterloo he will be hoisted on his own retard .

  116. RegisHawk says: Mar 3, 2016 11:27 AM

    Brady may kick case to Supreme Court.
    Scalia dies.

    Coincidence? I think not.

  117. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:27 AM

    realdealsteel says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:07 AM

    Are you stupid or something???? Do you not remember the text messages from the guy who admitted he deflated the balls for Brady in exchange for autograph jerseys???????????

    Goodall hasn’t forgotten that. And that’s all the proof that he needs at the end of the day. The text messages don’t lie.
    ————————————

    Lawl. There were no such text messages.

    You and Goodellbot just think there were.

  118. tomtravis76 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:29 AM

    If this all finally comes to an end with Brady being cleared by the courts, what are his legal rights against the NFL?. Could he then have the ability to sue the league and those involved in accusing him of his participation in a cheating scandal?

  119. hairpie2 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:36 AM

    dynasonic says:
    Mar 2, 2016 11:24 PM
    Has anyone ever figured out why the balls were stolen and taken for a trip to the bathroom. I mean, it’s on video. It happened. That can’t be disputed right? So…. why did that happen?

    the balls remained with the Patriot attendant the whole time. leaving them unattended could have allowed them to be tampered with. He was doing his job.

  120. gisellichek says: Mar 3, 2016 11:37 AM

    Deflategate , as we all (except for idiot haters) know was never about justice or fairness , but vindictive childlike spite on the part of jealous owners convinced Kraft had the commissioner in his hip pocket.

    IMO… Many owners feel the Patriots got to skate on Spygate and Goodell was complicit in it. He had to prove he isn’t Bob Kraft’s lackey and I think it was spelled out by several owners at the start of this that the Patriots must be made an example of. (or else)

    It is unfortunate football fans have to be dragged into this soap opera as we watch millions and millions of dollars be spent on … well… nothing. Imagine the houses that will be built with this money. These monuments of stupidity and vindictive gratification on the part of idiot billionaires.

  121. guadalahonky says: Mar 3, 2016 11:44 AM

    Free Tom Brady! As soon as he serves his four game suspension for violating league rules.

  122. wetookavote says: Mar 3, 2016 11:50 AM

    Oh, you sad little hypocritical Pats fans. Always drooling over your keyboards as you write manifestos insisting there is no evidence that the Pats or Brady did anything wrong, while simultaneously believing any and all dubious accusations against any other team or player in football, even when there is less evidence than in Deflategate. Some day someone outside of New England will believe you. Some day….

  123. pixelito says: Mar 3, 2016 12:06 PM

    Everyone knows the NFL went too far in this investigation.

    But lets not pretend that the Patriots didn’t get caught deflating balls.

  124. topgun1019 says: Mar 3, 2016 12:08 PM

    tonebones says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:22 PM
    The loss of the #1 draft pick will hopefully send a message to other teams that are thinking about cheating. The Patriots will continue to cheat, regardless, but in the end, they’ll answer to a higher power. Id they’re cheating at football, they’re probably doing things that are much worse in the eyes of the almighty.
    ———————————————————————

    Let’s see, we’ve got genocide in Syria, famine in Ethiopia, wars in Chechnya, Yemen, and about a dozen other places, and ISIS trying to create a caliphate, in order to eliminate Christianity. But sure, God’s priorities are focused on those evil, cheating Patriots. What an idiotic post.

  125. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: Mar 3, 2016 12:11 PM

    Brady’s suspension will be reinstated. He will sit out four games. The Patriots will not make the playoffs due to their cheating. For those who think this case is going to the Supreme Court….hahahahahahaha!

  126. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 12:16 PM

    Go get em Tom. Go get em CHAMP.

    Show the vile Goodell who his real daddy is.
    🙂

  127. orrnumberfour says: Mar 3, 2016 12:16 PM

    Pure and simple, Goodell is appealing his right to be wrong.

  128. razzlejag says: Mar 3, 2016 12:18 PM

    Who cares at this point? Drop the whole thing, restore the draft picks and cut the fine to $50,000 which is what it should have been.

    $20 million dollars would have fixed a lot of small bridges and roads. What a waste.

  129. tedmurph says: Mar 3, 2016 12:19 PM

    These people must be baiting you on purpose Pats fans, because nobody that stupid could possibly be walking around and functioning.

  130. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 12:22 PM

    Goodell did not want the two equipment guys to testify under oath at his appeal hearing on what they did or didn’t do with the footballs.

    That could have shed a lot of light on things but instead… he told them to stay away because they weren’t interested in what they had to say. Yep. That’s what he said.

    Sure doesn’t sound like the actions of a man who wanted to know the truth.

    Says it all doesn’t it? To me… any tiny nagging doubt I may have had about Brady went away for good once I heard that.

    It really is laughable that anyone is still on the league’s side…I guess except for those who cheer for teams who simply aren’t man enough to beat the Patriots on the field. To them it’s understandable why they’d want the GOAT QB to sit for a few games. What a bunch of wussies.🙂

  131. mudmandenny says: Mar 3, 2016 12:26 PM

    Are we seriously going to ask the Supreme Court to hear a case centered around the PSI of footballs? Life is becoming a reality show !!

  132. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 12:27 PM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:17 AM

    Every NFL fan should have it out for the Pats. 4 Super Bowl victories based on cheating: Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. I guess all of these allegations are wrong huh?
    ———————-

    Not all of them. They were taping from the wrong location, and admitted as such, and there was an application of the tuck rule, but it had nothing whatever to do with Brady, other than him being the quarterback when it happened.

    All of that other stuff is nonsense.

  133. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 12:29 PM

    dynasonic says:
    Mar 2, 2016 11:24 PM
    Has anyone ever figured out why the balls were stolen and taken for a trip to the bathroom. I mean, it’s on video. It happened. That can’t be disputed right? So…. why did that happen?
    ————————–

    Lawl. The footballs weren’t stolen. Where did you get that nonsense from?

  134. whywerule says: Mar 3, 2016 12:30 PM

    tomtravis76 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:29 AM
    If this all finally comes to an end with Brady being cleared by the courts, what are his legal rights against the NFL?. …

    Brady has already been cleared by the laws of physics, the NFL’s own lawyers in Judge Berman’s courtroom, and by Goodell and Vincent when they let the Patriots reinstate the equipment guys that they had ordered the Patriots to suspend.

    This is no longer about Brady or the Patriots being guilty of anything, even their primary accusers admitted in Federal Court that they had no evidence to find anyone guilty, this is now simply about Roger Goodell insisting he has the ability to suspend anyone at anytime “just because.”

    Everyone should hope that the CBA does not give Goodell that power.

  135. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 12:32 PM

    stevegrogannakedbootleg says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:20 AM

    The reason the ginger hammer MUST pursue this is the implications for his blanket authority decree when he fails. By choosing this case as his Waterloo he will be hoisted on his own retard .

    —-
    And after he loses…. his seat gets a lot hotter.🙂

    That’s the best news of all.
    🙂

  136. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 12:34 PM

    RegisHawk says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:27 AM

    Brady may kick case to Supreme Court.
    Scalia dies.

    Coincidence? I think not.
    ———————

    Brady already won, and that win will soon be upheld.

    Goodellbot is the one that would be taking this travesty to the Supreme Court.

  137. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 12:38 PM

    I wonder how Goodell will get fired?🙂

    Do you think he’ll be told in a formal meeting? Find a pink slip on his desk? Told just in the media? Told in an interview? Have Mr McMahon show up and get in his grill with a vintage “YOOURE FIIIIRED”?

    Oh the possibilities… all so delicious!
    🙂

  138. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 12:51 PM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:17 AM
    For a fan of a team that was screwed by Goodell you sure do have it in for the Pats???
    ============================
    Every NFL fan should have it out for the Pats. 4 Super Bowl victories based on cheating: Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. I guess all of these allegations are wrong huh?
    Where there is smoke, there is fire LOL
    ____________________________________
    Ok, lets start at the Tuck rule. It was an actually rule called correctly. In fact it was called against the Pats earlier that same year while playing the Jets.

    Stealing play sheets… Show me where that was to have been proven?

    Bugged locker room… again show me where a bug was found, even though the rooms were sweeped by paranoid teams?

    You probably don’t even know what spygate really was. I’m sure you think it was filming the Super Bowl practice of the Rams like the rest of ESPN’s sheep. You realize that never happened either???

  139. larryodavid says: Mar 3, 2016 12:57 PM

    guadalahonky says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:44 AM
    Free Tom Brady! As soon as he serves his four game suspension for violating league rules.

    ________________________________________

    What rule did he violate?

  140. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 1:00 PM

    GoodellMustGo says:
    Mar 3, 2016 12:38 PM

    I wonder how Goodell will get fired?🙂
    ——————————-

    If he hasn’t been fired by now, he won’t be getting fired anytime soon.

  141. streetyson says: Mar 3, 2016 1:55 PM

    And let’s not forget, in all these league shenanigans, that initially the league were also publicly accusing the Pats for illegally switching K-balls at that AFCCG, until it came out that it was a league official in charge of the balls who was stealing balls and told the Pats’ ball guy to get another ball.

    And let’s also not forget that when Brady gave the league all his private emails (which he didn’t have to do), the league immediately leaked details of them to try to further besmirch Brady’s character. Brady had to apologize to Manning for something one of Brady’s friends said in an email to Brady.

    But for me, what removed all lingering doubt of the league’s frame-job was when Goodell kept claiming Brady destroyed his phone as if that meant the texts were gone, but then refused to accept the logs Brady offered at his appeal. Brady said the logs would prove the league already had all the texts, but Goodell said it would take too long! – but here we are over a year (and $20M) later, so why would checking those logs for a few weeks have been too difficult?

  142. sb44champs says: Mar 3, 2016 2:57 PM

    Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. That’s a lot of coincidences lol. The same team (Patriots)keeps coming up with cheating allegations time after time after time… Its absolutely impossible that every single one of these allegations are false. No dog in this fight. Not a hater, just a realist……

  143. chadsmith013 says: Mar 3, 2016 3:09 PM

    i hope they send him to the chair for being a lying cheat.

  144. salutethis says: Mar 3, 2016 3:35 PM

    Huh, so this isn’t over…. Better get that free Brady petition back up pats fans….

  145. ninjapleazee says: Mar 3, 2016 8:18 PM

    Patriots crybaby fans chime in!

  146. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 8:22 AM

    you are sticking to the destroyed phone narrative, which is embarrassing at this point
    =============================
    Um, the judge says otherwise LOLOL

  147. fireroger says: Mar 4, 2016 12:28 PM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 2:57 PM
    Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. That’s a lot of coincidences lol. The same team (Patriots)keeps coming up with cheating allegations time after time after time… Its absolutely impossible that every single one of these allegations are false. No dog in this fight. Not a hater, just a realist……
    ==============
    Including the tuck rule, play sheets and bugging doesn’t make you a hater. It makes you dumb.

  148. fireroger says: Mar 4, 2016 12:33 PM

    IMO, Brady could be 100% guilty and it still wouldn’t matter. Notice wasn’t provided and in the end that is what the judges will be forced to focus on.

  149. gaffya says: Mar 4, 2016 3:32 PM

    tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 2, 2016 9:10 PM
    Roger Goodell is a psychopath. Period.

    He lied about Spygate too, and now he’s lying about Deflategate with the backing and prodding of about 5 seethingly jealous AFC owners.

    Look at Baltimore wildly overpaying Flacco out of desperation. It will be somehow blamed on the Pats with a severe punishment.

    I just learned today that the reason why the Pats don’t where their throwbacks anymore is because a “new” rule was put in 2013 banning throwback helmets.

    I am not kidding.

    Anyone thinking the REAL cheating is NOT occuring behind the scenes, with rule changes or attempted framejobs like Spygate and now, Deflategate, is a moron.

    Roger Goodell is a LIAR.

    This is about jealousy, money and PARITY to gain the best possible ROI for all owners within the CBA structure.

    I’ve know it all along.

    Note how all of it never adds up or makes sense. Why? It’s made up.

    34 9

    that is the most inane,irrational,moronic thing I’ve ever heard……

  150. zigthepatsfan says: Mar 6, 2016 8:54 AM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 3, 2016 2:57 PM
    Spygate, Deflategate, Brady Tuck rule, Stealing play sheets and bugging locker rooms. That’s a lot of coincidences lol. The same team (Patriots)keeps coming up with cheating allegations time after time after time… Its absolutely impossible that every single one of these allegations are false. No dog in this fight. Not a hater, just a realist……

    A realist? Only 1 of those infractions (“spygate”)actually happened and it was overblown. Truth is there were only a handful of games that they taped from the wrong location and only because of the layout of the stadiums(Lambeau and the old Giants Stadium) Home teams under the press box so you had to tape from an “illegal” location. Goodell himself said ““They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn’t determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed.”
    How could the tapes possibly be have been made “within the rules” if the taping of signals was the infraction? And all the notes/diagrams that got destroyed? Perfectly legal despite ESPN and SI leading readers to believe that was another no no
    But I guess if you believe other teams were dumb enough to keep leaving playsheets lying around enough times for the Pats to get “Notorious” for stealing them and that teams would have the locker room swept for bugs yet nothing was ever found but Pats are guilty of that too… I’m wasting my time here lol
    No idea why you just wont be honest and say you hate the Pats…nothing wrong with that at all…You either hate them or you are very gullible…

  151. swagger52 says: Mar 7, 2016 11:29 AM

    What is it about the AFC East?

    Everybody knew OJ was guilty, but the jury (his fans) looked the other way. Then came the civil case and it was immediately apparent that he was guilty.

    10 years from now, Brady will be in jail trying to steal back his autographed football cards.

  152. fireroger says: Mar 8, 2016 9:35 AM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 7, 2016 11:29 AM
    What is it about the AFC East?

    Everybody knew OJ was guilty, but the jury (his fans) looked the other way. Then came the civil case and it was immediately apparent that he was guilty.

    10 years from now, Brady will be in jail trying to steal back his autographed football cards.
    ==============
    LOL – comparing deflated footballs to a murder seems about right based on the over the top reaction to this mess.

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