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Brady’s side faces tough questions at Deflategate appeal

during the AFC Championship game at Sports Authority Field at Mile High on January 24, 2016 in Denver, Colorado. The Broncos defeated the Patriots 20-18. Getty Images

The latest chapter in the Deflategate saga unfolded in a Manhattan courtroom on Thursday as the three judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit questioned lawyers for both the NFL and NFLPA in a hearing to determine if they will uphold Judge Richard Berman’s ruling that set aside Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension.

Observers in the courtroom noted that NFLPA lawyer Jeffrey Kessler faced stiff inquiries during his turn in front of the panel, including queries from Judge Barrington Parker about Brady’s destruction of his cell phone.

“Why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Brady for that conduct alone?” Judge Barrington Parker said, via the Providence Journal. “You have one of the most celebrated players performing in that fashion? Anybody within 100 yards of this proceeding knew that would raise the stakes.”

Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Federal court reporter Max Stendahl of Law360 tweeted throughout the hearing and noted that Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”

Stendahl — his entire reporting from the hearing is well worth a look — also reported “tough questions” for NFL lawyer Paul Clement during the proceedings, including ones about why the issue was not handled as an equipment violation and whether deflating balls provide “any advantage on the field.” In the end, though, Stendahl and others in attendance felt the day went better for the league than for Brady.

Those interpretations won’t necessarily be reflected in the decision of the appeals court, however. Their decision will not be known for several months and could affirm Berman’s decision, send it back to Berman’s court, back to an arbitrator or find for the league. The losing side would be able to request a hearing from the entire Second Circuit or the Supreme Court, so, in other words, we may not be close to the end of the road yet.

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260 Responses to “Brady’s side faces tough questions at Deflategate appeal”
  1. seriously423 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:50 PM

    fire Goodell,

    elect Trump,

  2. nhpats says: Mar 3, 2016 4:51 PM

    Let the NFL suspend Brady. BB will resign Favre to a 4 game contract and allow him to come back and reclaim his records.

  3. collectordude says: Mar 3, 2016 4:51 PM

    Time for justice to be served.
    Suspend him.

  4. tylawspick6 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:52 PM

    Arrest, try and convict ROger Goodell and the owners, colluding to try to cheat the Pats from behind the scenes.

    Stealing my teams’ draft picks off of made up/misrepresented violations, is corruption and fraud.

  5. draftrobot says: Mar 3, 2016 4:53 PM

    I thought these appeals weren’t even about whether Brady is guilty or not guilty but whether Goodell has the authority to suspend players for equipment violations under the CBA?

  6. henke1966 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:53 PM

    He knew and he cheated.

  7. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: Mar 3, 2016 4:54 PM

    Just as I expected. Suspension reinstated. No playoffs.

  8. gotitan says: Mar 3, 2016 4:54 PM

    I thought this was all something I failed in 4th grade science class? Guess that draft pick and the fine isn’t coming back either? You can run……

  9. 3sakuraba9 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:54 PM

    Wasn’t this supposed to be a procedural hearing?

  10. pamperpro says: Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM

    They deflated balls. Everybody knows they tried for that advantage. Brady nut huggers won’t admit. “He’s the best,goat” “he takes less $ to help the team”
    Yeah right, Kraft will take care of shady once he retires…..

  11. wideright91 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM

    Burn Brady Burn!

  12. rolf1015 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM

    So the judges apparently did not do their homework and are as uneducated about the ideal gas law as the general public.

    The average psi of the footballs measured at halftime (11.49) were on the high end of the the Wells Reports own predicted range (11.32-11.52) using the gauge that Walt Anderson said he recalls using (all in the Wells Report).

    Apparently it doesn’t matter if there was no crime.

  13. bostonbadass says: Mar 3, 2016 4:57 PM

    Here we go I’m willing to bet this post will see over 300 replies…

    All the Brady haters should be waking up in mom’s basement real soon to get on here & spew their hate…..lmfao can’t wait bring the hate

  14. ctiggs says: Mar 3, 2016 4:58 PM

    he cheats guilty

  15. grimreaper12 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:58 PM

    pats fans here…
    like berman, these judges have tipped their hand. they will rule for the nfl. the question is why the case be sent back to berman for him to rule on the other two issues or will they just uphold the suspension, if so then tommy is screwed…

    no 1st rounder/the best qb gets suspended for 4 games and the season hasn’t even started lol

  16. marvsleezy says: Mar 3, 2016 4:58 PM

    Its actually surprising how many of the guys who root for the Patriots secretly believe that Tom might one day leave his wife for them. Some many bizarre fantasies among that fan base.

  17. mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says: Mar 3, 2016 4:59 PM

    Just as I’ve been saying, the 3 judge panel did not find Brady’s reasoning as to why he destroyed his cell phone as credible.

    So Pats fans, stop throwing stones at other organizations or players. Your Glass house is severely shattered

  18. remember21 says: Mar 3, 2016 4:59 PM

    Denying that Brady cheated is pretty insulting to my intelligence. Denying that the cheating impacted the game in a tangible way … that is a different question.

  19. gysot says: Mar 3, 2016 4:59 PM

    #freetombradyscellphone

  20. iowamiah says: Mar 3, 2016 5:01 PM

    They lost me with idiotic deflator comments. Did they really think that would help the cause!? I could MAYBE buy the rest of what they were selling, but come on. I’m the deflator because I want to lose weight! Laughable!

  21. TheBrownsareClowns says: Mar 3, 2016 5:02 PM

    NFL what direct evidence do you have that Tom Brady ordered the footballs deflated below the Legal Limt? NFL Lawyers we have none.

    Next you’re wasting all of our time NFL. Amazing the lack of intellect from these judges.

  22. buffalostarwarsfan says: Mar 3, 2016 5:03 PM

    Marvin Harrison killed a guy.

  23. tim2200 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    “Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”

    What a foolish and ignorant comment by Chin.
    Ted Wells himself does not believe he found compelling, if not overwhelming evidence.
    Lets hope Chin actually does his job (lots of judges are lazy hacks so you never know) and actually reads the Wells report along with the briefs.
    Chin won’t be compelled or overwhelmed by what he finds unless his eyes are already closed.

  24. mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says: Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM
    So the judges apparently did not do their homework and are as uneducated about the ideal gas law as the general public.

    The average psi of the footballs measured at halftime (11.49) were on the high end of the the Wells Reports own predicted range (11.32-11.52) using the gauge that Walt Anderson said he recalls using (all in the Wells Report).

    Apparently it doesn’t matter if there was no crime.
    ————————
    You know the facts of the Wells report but obviously not what this hearing was about. It’s not about physics or validity of the wells report. It’s about whether or not Goodell had the authority to act (which was granted to him in the last CBA). The FACT that Brady acted with a lack of credibility in destroying his cell phone is what is raising the red flags in his direction. The physics of a football deflating are not a part of this.

    WHY do pats fans NOT acknowledge this part of this whole on going saga?

  25. dsigrey says: Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.”
    ________________________________

    Clueless old judge. Has no technical knowledge at all.

  26. tony1381 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    The only real silver lining out of this entire embarrassment is if this all ends with Goodell’s termination at some point.

    I really have to convince myself to watch games on Sunday, which is something I’d never thought would happen with the NFL.

    I’m sick of this BS, I’m sick of ESPN being a mouthpiece for the league.

    Someone needs to go John Oliver on the league and the NFL for what they have become

  27. whiteybulgersson says: Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    #FireRoger

    Brady probably grinned at the questions and showed off his four rings on his hand using a closed fist.

    Case closed.

  28. charliecharger says: Mar 3, 2016 5:06 PM

    Even if Brady did routinely destroy his cell phone, he could have used this particular phone to prove his innocence. But guys sometimes have pictures of their wives or girlfriends on their phone, and that privacy should be protected. So that could have had something to do with the smashing of the phone. Brady has a famous wife and I wouldn’t trust anybody if I were Brady. Ask Erin Andrews.

  29. frankfortschooldropout says: Mar 3, 2016 5:06 PM

    No matter what anyone thinks, it’s time to put this one behind us.
    The lines were drawn, sides chosen, and no one is changing their minds.
    The only thing happening now is lawyer fees and perhaps curtailing Goodell’s ability to discipline players.
    End it.

  30. bullcharger says: Mar 3, 2016 5:08 PM

    Why are appeal judges asking questions about evidence. It’s about Judge Berman’s ruling. So dumb. These judges can’t even rule based on the questions they are currently asking.

  31. jaxon51 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:09 PM

    I wondered how Brady’s mis step of destroying his phone would play a role. It’s just one judge out of three but Brady locked up his suspect legacy in a lot of people’s eyes when he destroyed that phone last year.I wonder if he had Rogers staff stomp the phone
    into the same carpet in same room at Gillette Stadium where they did such a stellar job destroying Spygate tapes in 2007?

  32. j0esixpack says: Mar 3, 2016 5:09 PM

    If the judge commented towards Bradys guilt or innocence, he has already provided grounds for Brady’s appeal should he lose

    But judges, especially appeals court judges, are well known for playing devils advocate to see how attorneys respond

  33. greenlargo says: Mar 3, 2016 5:10 PM

    bostonbadass says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:57 PM
    Here we go I’m willing to bet this post will see over 300 replies…

    All the Brady haters should be waking up in mom’s basement real soon to get on here & spew their hate…..lmfao can’t wait bring the hate

    ——————————————-

    Not all the schools are out yet especially in the western time zones so you have to wait a little more.

  34. Aespo24 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:10 PM

    When the hell did a 4-game suspension garner the importance of bringing in the U.S. court of appeals…its childish on both sides at this point.

  35. fanofsportsman says: Mar 3, 2016 5:10 PM

    Doesn’t matter, Brady will forever be remembered as a cheater who happened to also be a great qb.

  36. edelmanfanclub says: Mar 3, 2016 5:11 PM

    The commissioner can suspend players for breaking phones? Brady was going to settle for an suspension for not cooperating, this is an appeal on whether he can suspend him for “possible knowledge” of intentional equipment violations. Which I don’t think he can. The CBA was poorly constructed, and gave Goodell too much power, that’s really the union’s fault.

  37. stinkymcmulligan says: Mar 3, 2016 5:12 PM

    If Brady did nothing wrong, why would these be ‘tough questions’?

    Answer: he was complicit, if not the main orchestrator, in getting those footballs deflated – hence ‘tough questions’

  38. machobob says: Mar 3, 2016 5:14 PM

    Roger Goodell=Jeff Gillooly

    31 other teams= Tonya Harding

  39. cheatustobeatus says: Mar 3, 2016 5:14 PM

    If he had nothing to hide then WHY DID HE DESTROY HIS PHONE? Because he CHEATED, that’s why! Once a cheating organization, always a cheating organization .

  40. steelbreeze676 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:14 PM

    I’m about ready to defect to college football. This group of owners has proven to be horrible stewards of the game.

  41. dukeearl says: Mar 3, 2016 5:15 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM
    So the judges apparently did not do their homework and are as uneducated about the ideal gas law as the general public.

    The average psi of the footballs measured at halftime (11.49) were on the high end of the the Wells Reports own predicted range (11.32-11.52) using the gauge that Walt Anderson said he recalls using (all in the Wells Report).

    Apparently it doesn’t matter if there was no crime.
    ***************************
    It is called the “ideal” gas law for a reason. It only applies in ideal conditions.

  42. tb12bestqbevah says: Mar 3, 2016 5:16 PM

    Their decision will not be known for several months and could affirm Berman’s decision, send it back to Berman’s court, back to an arbitrator or find for the league. The losing side would be able to request a hearing from the entire Second Circuit or the Supreme Court, so, in other words, we may not be close to the end of the road yet.

    *********************

    We’re still talking about a little air possibly having been let out of footballs, right? Is this really something our United States court system needs to volley back and forth for years?

    You know business is good for the NFL when they’re willing to flush $20 million down the toilet over this.

  43. hoops737 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:16 PM

    Ruh Roh BWady

  44. iman62 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:16 PM

    Bout time the cheating pats were punished for this. No hissy fit is gonna save Kraft now.

  45. greenlargo says: Mar 3, 2016 5:16 PM

    charliecharger says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:06 PM
    Even if Brady did routinely destroy his cell phone, he could have used this particular phone to prove his innocence. But guys sometimes have pictures of their wives or girlfriends on their phone, and that privacy should be protected. So that could have had something to do with the smashing of the phone. Brady has a famous wife and I wouldn’t trust anybody if I were Brady. Ask Erin Andrews.

    ———————————————-

    This is a point lots of people are missing. For Brady’s situation it would have been stupid not to destroy the phone, and to regularly do that. The data in his particular phone is worth big bucks to TMZ and like sites that want to splash it all over to boost their ratings. You can bet that if Brady had handed that phone to the NFL a dump of the info if not the phone itself would have slipped out of there after TMZ tells every NFL office employee that there are 6 figures waiting for whoever can deliver it. Please don’t argue that the NFL offices are leak safe.

    The people that don’t get this I supposed have never themselves been a high profile athelete married to one of the worlds top supermodels. Trust me, once you do that, it all becomes clear.

  46. steelbreeze676 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:17 PM

    Get this thing to the supreme court and get the Owners on trial for labor law and tear apart the oligarchs that are destroying the game of football at the professional level.

    This still going on shouldn’t be without punishment for the league owners.

  47. scottbrowning2 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:17 PM

    Just because Berman tipped his hand does not mean these three judges have. The fact that they are inquiring as to the facts of the case is probably very good for Brady. Even if they get hung up on the cell phone the existing precedent for that is 55k…and that was a case where the phone was the actual tool for the alleged crime. There is a lot of legal material for them to sift through. We don’t know anything yet as to their intentions.

  48. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 3, 2016 5:18 PM

    Patriot fans think Aaron Hernandez is innocent because no gun was ever found.

    Smashed cell phone = GUILTY

    Serve it Shady.

  49. numberonesaintsfan says: Mar 3, 2016 5:21 PM

    Why in any unionized workplace would the employer have any right to look at an employee’s personal phone anyway?

  50. vegasgreek says: Mar 3, 2016 5:23 PM

    if brady loses and it sticks it will open pandora’s box against the pats . more dirt will come out against them and all the other owners will be out to bury them for good . the billionaire owners are egotistical and vindictive.

  51. revren10 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:24 PM

    brady will not be suspended and the trolls will cry that kraft paid off the judges

  52. uglydingo says: Mar 3, 2016 5:24 PM

    This is a never ending saga designed to bring down Tom Brady and the Patriots. The NFL is spending many $ millions with the express purpose of crippling the character and honesty of the greatest QB in history. This is a legal assault never seen before. They want to smear and permanently maim the integrity of the game’s finest player. It is an expensive sham.
    Tom’s lawyers were too good last time and they will fight hard to defend him. Fellow Patriots – let us pray for Tom Brady and justice.

  53. steelbreeze676 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:28 PM

    “11 out of 12 balls were deflated below 2psi, but don’t worry – we won’t leak the nudes of Giselle.” – NFL ownership

    With two fingers crossed behind their backs.

  54. nhpats says: Mar 3, 2016 5:28 PM

    75% of the Colts balls were also under-inflated. So when is Goodell going to take away Colts draft picks and suspend Andrew Luck?

  55. jag1959 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:28 PM

    It is telling to remember that Judge Berman asked many of the same types of questions but didn’t frame his ruling around them. He framed it around points of law and the standards of the CBA. It is Berman’s ruling that the NFL is appealing. Nothing in today’s arguments impacts the points Berman ruled on.

  56. orrnumberfour says: Mar 3, 2016 5:32 PM

    Oral arguments at hearing mean nothing in terms of the court’s final decision.

    Brady wins this one unanimously, 3-0.

    Easy call.

  57. citizenstrange says: Mar 3, 2016 5:32 PM

    “You know, nasty little fellows such as yourself always get their comeuppance.” — Evelyn talking to Beni in “The Mummy”

  58. doctormantistoboggan says: Mar 3, 2016 5:32 PM

    Meanwhile Lord Manning chortles in the distance as the GOAT awaits his graceful exit from the game he made great.

  59. uknepatsfan says: Mar 3, 2016 5:33 PM

    People who are well versed in these kind of hearings have all unanimously said that you can’t predict which way these rulings are going to go merely by basing that prediction on the questions asked.

    They also said they saw nothing unusual in the questioning that the judges were applying to both sides.

    Lots of people on here, on twitter and in the mainstream media seem to be jumping the gun here declaring a winner already.

    Seriously, it will be months before we know a decision so at this point its all just guesswork how this thing is going to end.

    There is no winner yet and its a bit silly to be celebrating already.

  60. rob471773 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:35 PM

    THE BALLS WERE NOT EVEN DEFLATED!

    There first needs to be a crime before there is a cover up!

  61. guadalahonky says: Mar 3, 2016 5:35 PM

    machobob says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:14 PM

    Roger Goodell=Jeff Gillooly

    31 other teams= Tonya Harding

    ——————————————

    Which would make Tom Brady Shane Stant, correct? The courts found him guilty too.

  62. steelcurtainn says: Mar 3, 2016 5:35 PM

    Tom Shady equals Guilty and a cheater. Career over.

  63. abninf says: Mar 3, 2016 5:36 PM

    Brady fans who believe The Deflator got his name because he was fat are the same people who believe Hillary when she said she didn’t have classified info on her personal server.

  64. ozark14blog says: Mar 3, 2016 5:37 PM

    Being held in NY gives Brady, no chance at all.

  65. danm1978 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:37 PM

    tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:52 PM
    Arrest, try and convict ROger Goodell and the owners, colluding to try to cheat the Pats from behind the scenes.

    Stealing my teams’ draft picks off of made up/misrepresented violations, is corruption and fraud.
    ————————————————————–
    Actually, the person you have a problem with is Robert Kraft.
    He could have chose to appeal that punishment, if he believed of course that it was an unjust one. Or more likel

  66. restoreintegritytonfl says: Mar 3, 2016 5:37 PM

    Suspend this cheater finally!

  67. johnc44 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:42 PM

    It`s funny how so many people act like a article on PFT about how someone said the questions where harder for one side on the first day of a court hearing means the case has been decided.
    It`s sad how many people are just sheep and believe whatever their favorite reporter told them first and just keep following along without taking it all in and thinking for themselves.There are FACTS from both sides that reasonable people can interpret as proof their side is right.There have been answers from both sides that have left reason to doubt both sides.
    None of us know without a reasonable doubt because the NFL messed the “investigation” up at every level starting from pregame when they didn`t even know which needle they used.
    The only true justice that can come from this would be Goodell losing his job.Anything else you risk being wrong because of faulting fact finding but there is nothing wrong about firing the person responsible for letting a pound of air turn into this big of a cluster****

  68. dangel61 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:43 PM

    If the PSI don’t fit, you must acquit.

  69. isphet71 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:44 PM

    I’m not a Brady Apologist or fan, particularly, but why would Brady routinely destroy his cell phone?

    He would be a complete idiot NOT to destroy his cell phone when he gets rid of it. Those things contain so much of our personal info on them, I actually think anyone that DOESN’T wipe/destroy their phone when they are done with it is stupid with all of the identity theft, etc happening these days.

    Oh, that and if the wrong person got a hold of any of his personal pictures or info, they would be trying to sell it to either TMZ or the Mafia for a boatload of cash 2 seconds after they found it.

  70. bobsnygiants says: Mar 3, 2016 5:44 PM

    yea he use his cell phone to call the ten balls to deflate 2 lbs

  71. 6ball says: Mar 3, 2016 5:45 PM

    .
    If Brady is suspended, the Patriots will sign Peyton Manning to hold the fort.
    .

  72. rolf1015 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:46 PM

    mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    The FACT that Brady acted with a lack of credibility in destroying his cell phone is what is raising the red flags in his direction.
    ______________________________
    1. There is nothing in the CBA that says a player has to give his Personal cell phone to his employer – that is a dangerous precedent.

    2. Ted Wells: “And I want to be crystal clear. I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone…”.

    3. There is only one person who testified under oath:
    Tom Brady

    4. There is only one person who knowingly lied:
    Roger Goodell (this was proven when the appeal transcript was unsealed).

    I’ll put my faith in Tom Brady’s credibility over Roger Goodell’s any day.

  73. jrossizzle says: Mar 3, 2016 5:47 PM

    4 games maybe reduced to 2 but guilty for sure.

    We’ll see if all those “vindicated” signs come out…

  74. Nofoolnodrool says: Mar 3, 2016 5:47 PM

    Who cares? I think most people enjoyed seeing Brady tossed around like a puppies chew toy by the Wade Phillips defense that many wind bag Pats fans said they owned… THe look in Tammys eyes was priceless as he was repeatedly tossed to the ground…. So who cares about a silly trial?

  75. kevpft says: Mar 3, 2016 5:48 PM

    Why did he destroy his phone, you ask? There are lots of reasons he could have destroyed his phone.

    This is a league office that had already leaked an avalanche of false information that, even if accurate, should have been confidential.

    Would YOU want to give your personal phone, this minute, to people like that? How would you feel about giving all of your photos, videos, texts, and who knows what else to people who have already shown they are dishonest and cannot keep confidentiality?

    I don’t even have anything incriminating on my phone, and I wouldn’t trust such people or want them to have my personal phone.

  76. thermanmerman99 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:48 PM

    Tammy is a fan as his hair plugs. He’s a fake in every aspect of the word. A complete and utter cheating fraud with no legitimate anything. No matter how much whining patriot fans do, it won’t change anything hahaha keep crying, the tears are delicious

  77. veddermn8 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:50 PM

    Tough questions doesn’t reflect anything. Judges can only rule on Berman’s ruling which was not mentioned in court today. District judges were testing the arguments to see if they could learn anything new, but ultimately will base their decision on their opinion of Bermans ruling. And Berman has only been overturned 8% of the time. Brady is in a very good position.

  78. jbraider says: Mar 3, 2016 5:51 PM

    TheBrownsareClowns says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:02 PM

    NFL what direct evidence do you have that Tom Brady ordered the footballs deflated below the Legal Limt? NFL Lawyers we have none
    ____________
    No evidence that Sean Payton knew about bounty gate or that it made any difference in how the Saints defenders played. NFL is a private organization and they are well within their rights to apply a “more likely (as we see it) than not” criteria. Government needs to stop thinking they can stick their noses into everything. I said from the beginning that it was a ridiculous rule and it was even more ridiculous the way they went about trying to enforce it. But once the penalty was handed down, Brady should have taken it like a man for the good of the league. Goodell has made a huge mess of league discipline – but the NFL still has to have it. We are in danger of setting the precedent whereby players can appeal to the courts and keep it tied up in proceedings probably until they retire. What will be the point of even having league discipline then?

  79. bondlake says: Mar 3, 2016 5:52 PM

    OK, everyone out there who routinely destroys his cellphone, please raise your hands!

  80. kissmysandwich says: Mar 3, 2016 5:54 PM

    Destroying a phone does not destroy the electronic communications records. That argument is hollow and absurd. Have we all forget Ed Snowden already?

  81. cornerstone2001 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM

    The deflators were fired and have mysteriously disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa….

    If Brady was innocent, these guys would be out front…

    End of story

  82. p6one6 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM

    Translation:
    Patriots/Tom Brady did some things that whether cheating was occurring or not, were not the best things to do. We’re going to make you look a little bad for that.

    Now that we’ve got that out of the way, the NFL still screwed up royally and now we have to rule on what we can and on how the NFL screwed up and Berman got it right.

  83. egbrady says: Mar 3, 2016 5:57 PM

    These busy judges were recently chosen in late February, and are expected to take months mulling their decision, today was preliminary. Once they study the details in depth, the NFL’s lies will catch up with them again.

  84. Patskrieg says: Mar 3, 2016 5:57 PM

    The crux of the NFL’s argument is still that Brady lied in his appeal testimony that he never discussed the Deflategate story with Jim Jastremski.

    Brady actually says the exact opposite 4 or 5 times, and the NFL fought to keep the appeals transcripts sealed in order to contain that lie.

    Don’t take my word for it folks. I’m a homer and I don’t know what I’m talking about. You guys love the truth so much that I’m sure you’ll alllllll go look at it for yourselves.

  85. davidbrent says: Mar 3, 2016 5:58 PM

    people keep babbling about ideal gas law as if they live in this alternative universe where the text messages between brady’s stooges don’t exist. those texts and the destroyed phone are compelling, overwhelming circumstantial evidence. circumstantial evidence is evidence.

  86. bartor1544 says: Mar 3, 2016 5:59 PM

    “Why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Brady for that conduct alone?”

    Let me take a crack –

    He’s a private citizen, it is his private phone, and it is not governed by the CBA.

    “The commissioner’s independent investigator” specifically told Brady he didn’t need his physical phone (brady provided printouts of every text message that was sent – and Wells already had every single team owned phone that they requested (including Belichick’s).

    What if your employer demanded access to your personal phone? Compound that with the fact that when Brady released his emails suddenly him bashing peyton manning and bitching about his olympic size pool cover is major news. Surely there are personal messages on his phone that he doesn’t want plastered on TMZ that are completely unrelated to air in a football.

  87. fireroger says: Mar 3, 2016 6:03 PM

    Brady can be guilty as whatever. Goodell can be as draconian as whatever. Bottom line is you need to provide notice which is something Goodell is going to learn the hard way.

    The question of Goodell having the right to penalize conduct detrimental isn’t in question. Doing so on every issue without notice is.

  88. salutethis says: Mar 3, 2016 6:03 PM

    I bet Brady just doesn’t want more Peyton is done comments to come out. I bet Peyton can accept his apology for the last one now.

  89. kd75 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:04 PM

    They better find Scalia’s replacement before this gets to the SCOTUS.

  90. jamaltimore says: Mar 3, 2016 6:06 PM

    Who cares anymore the PATs run is over and so is tommy boys.

  91. pittsburghdamned says: Mar 3, 2016 6:07 PM

    Destroying the cell phone I get, but weren’t there photos of him tossing his Uggs into the harbor after midnight as well?

    That’s what seems fishy to me.

    I’ve found no connection to his hair plugs yet, but will get back to you.

  92. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:08 PM

    It’s nice to see how much hoopla this low level equipment violation has gotten. Any information the league wanted from that phone they could have gotten had they asked initially, the only reason they ever asked about the phone later is because they knew it was gone and it would help feed the propaganda they wanted out there. No one with an IQ north of 40 thinks deflation altered the outcome of a single play nonetheless game. And that is the point. Even if they were tweaking footballs it’s still not within a thousand miles of something like PED’s so anything beyond a fine is an epic overreaction.

  93. weepingjebus says: Mar 3, 2016 6:09 PM

    Judges do this all the time. They play Devil’s advocate, try to build a case for a dissent, or just probe to see what responses are. Anyone assuming an outcome based on what a judge asks at argument is setting themselves up for a shock. Remember, Berman kept trying to get the parties to settle, and the NFL took that as a sign of strength in their arguments. Whoops.

  94. streetyson says: Mar 3, 2016 6:10 PM

    Wow, all the same ignorant haters coming out with all the same cat-calls and lies that have been disproven or explained a zillion times already – why am I not surprised? Yawn – I’ll point out the key one, Brady’s phone: any texts sent by him to the ball guys and all other staff were already known, because the league had all those phones. At his internal appeal, Brady offered his phone-logs which he said proved the league already had all daid texts, but Goodell declined to accept it! Goodell said it would take too long! Too long? – 2 or 3 weeks maybe and yet a year (and $20M) later from the internal, the league are still finding time to pursue their claims.

    Brady could have offered his private phone logs earlier, but bear in mind that he doesn’t have to. And he’d already given the league all his private emails (again he didn’t have to) which the league promptly leaked plenty of irrelevant private info from (such as mildly negative comments by Brady’s friends about Manning, which Brady apologized to Peyton for), so Brady was understandably reluctant with the phone and its logs – but he DID belatedly offer those logs at his appeal.

  95. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:12 PM

    The Ideal Gas Law is the smoking gun in this case. Texts from May mean zilch the following January.

  96. davidbrent says: Mar 3, 2016 6:13 PM

    also, it is true that if the questioning from the judges seems too favor one side over the other, that is an indicator of where they tentatively stand. that doesn’t mean it’s a sure thing, it doesn’t mean kessler didn’t change their mind, and it doesn’t mean that the reporters saying that the judges seemed to favor the league interpreted the hearings properly. but if the reporters are correct, it is somewhat of a bad sign for brady.

  97. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Mar 3, 2016 6:15 PM

    In hindsight Brady should have accepted the 4 games suspension because lets face it, the Deflategate revenge tour blew up in our face when we lost the AFCC game. Now we are having to relive this nightmare all over again instead of focusing in winning championship #5.

  98. steelcitywhitty says: Mar 3, 2016 6:15 PM

    I thought the phone previous to the one that Brady destroyed was found still intact? Is this correct?

  99. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 6:15 PM

    I see nobody mentioned this interesting nugget from Judge Parker. :)

    “Goodell serves as judge, jury and, well, not executioner but enforcer. That difference makes it fundamentally different and more likely that the arbitrator’s decision needs more scrutiny and must not be deferred to.”

    Translation: “You know that whole Article 46 stamped it no erasies thing? You Goodell stooges have to do a lot better than that!”:)

    Good news. The side of good will prevail.

  100. justintuckrule says: Mar 3, 2016 6:19 PM

    Bunch of holiday inn express lawyers weighing in. lol. The Court of Appeals is looking at this matter de novo. That means “anew.” Everything is on the table including destroyed cell phones.

  101. hrod626 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:21 PM

    “Cheaters never prosper!” Gotta funny feeling that more & more, diverse & different, accusations & allegations will continue to come out. Especially, after either Billicheat or Uncle Tommy retire. Knowing them they’ll probably retire simultaneously too! I doubt Billicheat will risk having to continue coaching without his partner in crime! He’d still be a coordinator without Uncle Tommy & there tactics! This is too good. Very funny… but actually very sad. Pats fans, NFL fans & sports fans in general SAD. But the truth is always revealed… no matter how much time it takes or how much. Sad.

  102. duffelbagsports says: Mar 3, 2016 6:22 PM

    Any attorney (of which I am one) will tell you that questions at the appellate level are no indication of where the judges are going with their decision.

  103. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 3, 2016 6:23 PM

    Katzmann will rule decisively for Brady. Shouldn’t be hard to sway 1 of the other two judges. My guess is it will be Judge Parker.

    I expect a Brady win here. Goodell is fired shortly after and all is right with the world.
    :)

  104. mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says: Mar 3, 2016 6:24 PM

    rolf1015 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:46 PM
    mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:04 PM

    The FACT that Brady acted with a lack of credibility in destroying his cell phone is what is raising the red flags in his direction.
    ______________________________
    1. There is nothing in the CBA that says a player has to give his Personal cell phone to his employer – that is a dangerous precedent.

    2. Ted Wells: “And I want to be crystal clear. I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone…”.

    3. There is only one person who testified under oath:
    Tom Brady

    4. There is only one person who knowingly lied:
    Roger Goodell (this was proven when the appeal transcript was unsealed).

    I’ll put my faith in Tom Brady’s credibility over Roger Goodell’s any day.
    ——————–
    The hearings are about whether Goodell had the authority to do what he initially did. The NFL is arguing that point as thin right was given to them in the CBA..

    The judges can question anything they need clarification on in order to have all information. The CBA has nothing to do with whether or not a player has to give his cell phone (as this is not the issue).

    However to your point, if Wells was not going to take possession of Brady’s phone, yet the biggest question about that now is why did the 3 judge panel find Brady not credible in his explanation for destroying the phone?

    What Brady did gained the attention of the panel, they wanted answers, and subsequently found the answers they were given to be not credible.

  105. dman6015 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:25 PM

    Throw the case out. Brady more than proved that the inflation of the ball has no impact on the game. He won a Super Bowl a year ago and lead his team to the AFC Championship Game this year with properly inflated footballs. Enough already.

  106. getyourownname says: Mar 3, 2016 6:25 PM

    “WHY do pats fans NOT acknowledge this part of this whole on going saga?”

    Because they, like most commenters, really have no understanding of the legal process.

    “Would YOU want to give your personal phone, this minute, to people like that? How would you feel about giving all of your photos, videos, texts, and who knows what else to people who have already shown they are dishonest and cannot keep confidentiality?”

    As usual, Pats fans still fail to accept the facts. Wells did not ask for or want the phone itself, he wanted Brady to give him copies of emails that referred to deflation and text messages. At no time was Brady asked to turn over the information you are referring to. There’s a whole Deadspin article about it, you can google it if you really want to be objective instead of throwing up these red herrings. I don’t know what those deleted messages would show either way, but the argument you make is completely off-point.

  107. limakey says: Mar 3, 2016 6:28 PM

    Brady destroying his cell phone proves he had something to hide. His own agent confirmed this. When this first broke about the cell phone, his agent said that Brady did not turn it over the messages or cooperate because it would be bad for future players who faced similar troubles. We all know that is lie, Brady could not turn over his cell phone because he already destroyed it. His agent made it seem like he was taking a moral stand on this issue. Which we all know is now nothing but another lie. Then the miserable jerk said that had he known that he could have gotten punished for it, he would have turned it over.

  108. securb2013 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:31 PM

    Brady thought he could give the NFL the finger and restructure his contract in case of suspension. I bet the NFL give the finger back and makes 3 of the 4 suspension games division games. Book it.

  109. thermanmerman99 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:31 PM

    I’m in the process of ordering a customized patriots jersey with the name asterisks and either the number 4 for the amount of asterisks or the greatest asterisk of all time number 12. Which should I go with? I need suggestions

  110. igotgamenj says: Mar 3, 2016 6:35 PM

    The G-O-A-T of all time is the C-H-E-A-T of all time

  111. mikeremmersisvonsturnstile says: Mar 3, 2016 6:42 PM

    Goodellmustgo says:
    mentioned this interesting nugget from Judge Parker. :)

    “Goodell serves as judge, jury and, well, not executioner but enforcer. That difference makes it fundamentally different and more likely that the arbitrator’s decision needs more scrutiny and must not be deferred to.”

    Translation: “You know that whole Article 46 stamped it no erasies thing? You Goodell stooges have to do a lot better than that!”:)
    ————————————-
    Not a Pats fan BUT I do agree with Judge Parker on this. Every fan of every team should want to see this changed. Regardless if this case involves Brady, next it could very well be your teams best player who is having their arbitrator as the enforcer. THEN you’d be just as angry as all of the Pats fans.

  112. joker65 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:42 PM

    You know the facts of the Wells report but obviously not what this hearing was about. It’s not about physics or validity of the wells report. It’s about whether or not Goodell had the authority to act (which was granted to him in the last CBA). The FACT that Brady acted with a lack of credibility in destroying his cell phone is what is raising the red flags in his direction. The physics of a football deflating are not a part of this.

    WHY do pats fans NOT acknowledge this part of this whole on going saga?

    _____

    Then why is the judge talking about overwhelming evidence? If its just about Goodells power to act, they shouldn’t be considering the evidence. Just whether he had the power to act. You contradict your own statement.

  113. jetsfan136 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:44 PM

    This is gonna be it, because no way the second circuit overturns whatever these three judges decide, nor is there any way the Supreme Court hears so frivolous a case. Gotta get it right and suspend.:-)

  114. daytontriangles says: Mar 3, 2016 6:45 PM

    The only thing these appeal judges need to know…

    When Judge Berman asked the NFL lawyers if they had any actual evidence that Brady knew anything, they answered no.

    That, right there, is the case. There will be no reversal.

  115. dohczeppelin says: Mar 3, 2016 6:48 PM

    I’m a Bills fan and even I think we should have let this go months ago. What a waste of time. Did Brady at some point encourage the Patriots’ ball boys to make sure the balls were at least on the lower end of the inflation spectrum? I don’t know. Maybe. Probably. Is this a major issue or conspiracy? No.

    What did it end up being? One game ball was a little under inflated? Christ. Give them whatever the normal penalty for an equipment violation is and move on. If the league really suspects some sort of “conspiracy” then make a new rule and set an appropriate penalty. Advertise this openly to the suspected offenders with a “read between the lines” type of memo. End of problem.

    Suspending a player for 4 games and loss of a 1st round pick? Ridiculous. The league should fine itself for wasting everyone’s time and donate the money to charity.

  116. bostonfan4eva says: Mar 3, 2016 6:51 PM

    Fire Goddell and give Brady the commish job. Case closed.

    He is innocent until proven guilty, people hate his success, he is the best QB to play the game, EVER.

    Deal with haters and go home.

  117. justintuckrule says: Mar 3, 2016 6:53 PM

    thermanmerman99 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 6:31 PM
    I’m in the process of ordering a customized patriots jersey with the name asterisks and either the number 4 for the amount of asterisks or the greatest asterisk of all time number 12. Which should I go with? I need suggestions
    ——————————
    Instead of spelling out “asterisks,” just get four asterisks on the name plate with #12.

    Or “Cheetah” #12.

  118. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 3, 2016 6:53 PM

    Clearly the suspension will be upheld …as it should be.

  119. xxbarklikeadogxx says: Mar 3, 2016 6:54 PM

    Holy Cow! The 2nd Circuit admonished Prince Pretty Boy for destroying his phone???

    Hey Cheat Nation, do you believe us now???

  120. broncosrchamps says: Mar 3, 2016 6:54 PM

    Good! Let’s hope it drags on because the longer the Pats fight with the league the more they won’t get the calls on the field!

    Go Broncos!

  121. cambam15 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:54 PM

    I can’t believe they are spending this kind of money on this. As a Patriots fan, innocent or guilty, this has gone on waaaay too long based on the “infraction” in question. Trying to this degree, to keep him off the field looks personal and petty. The NFL is trying to save face. It’s about pride and power, not fair play or competitive advantages. It’s just embarrassing.

  122. annes22 says: Mar 3, 2016 6:56 PM

    Suspend Brady and be done with it. He destroyed his cell phone, because there were messages on there he didn’t want seen. Who changes phones every month, please wake up. This isn’t the first time the Patriots have been accused of cheating, and it won’t be the last, they are what they are. Glad the judges today, have seen the light, maybe the suspension will happen.

  123. solo681 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:04 PM

    “Overwhelming evidence” = Goodel made phone calls to some political NY big shots and money changed hands behind closed doors.

    How do I know?

    Judge Berman asked NFL attorney Pash – “What evidence do you have against Brady – Pash answered = NONE Your Honor.

    So any, so called evidence is clearly CASH in the hands of these corrupt Judges.

  124. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:08 PM

    annes22 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 6:56 PM
    Suspend Brady and be done with it. He destroyed his cell phone, because there were messages on there he didn’t want seen. Who changes phones every month, please wake up. This isn’t the first time the Patriots have been accused of cheating, and it won’t be the last, they are what they are. Glad the judges today, have seen the light, maybe the suspension will happen.

    Why is it that the “low information people”
    Grasp at this he “destroyed” his cell phone but ignore the fact that they had JJ and JM cell phones and there was NOTHING on them from Brady telling them to do anything.

    And ignore the fact that Brady gave them all the cell phone records and all the # called or texted matched up with what they already had.

    Not to mention all his emails got out too and guess what? Nothing there either about ball deflation.

    So far the only person who has been caught in another lie would be Roger Goodell. When Berman ordered the release of the appeal hearing transcripts. That’s now at Lea 6 times this guy as got busted in a lie.

  125. sminco123 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:09 PM

    Again, why was the equipment guy called the “Deflater”? Weight loss…. Why was he going to talk to ESPN? Nothing…
    Answer these questions and I might start giving TB (great QB) I little love. Until then, no. Come on. Lets use our heads. If this was your 4th grader you wouldn’t believe it.

  126. shyts7 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:11 PM

    The last judge grilled them hard as well. Judges grilling attorney’s hard means nothing. Brady will win mainly because the rules call for a fine for tampering with footballs. Goodell will lose just like he did with Rice and Peterson.

  127. purplekoolaid1 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:11 PM

    Is that a dead rat on top of your head?

  128. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:12 PM

    And even if the suspension gets upheld here it’s not like the Patriots won’t win the division by the end of week 15 anyways. The three seed is the worst case scenario if Brady gets stuck missing four games at any point during the regular season. And if they lose a playoff game because of a suspension to Brady we’d finally have a Patriots playoff game worthy of an asterisk.

  129. VenerableAxiom says: Mar 3, 2016 7:12 PM

    gysot says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:59 PM
    #freetombradyscellphone
    ==
    I presume you mean the remaining pieces.

    “Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Well it makes no sense to anyone with common sense anyway.

  130. switchwitch59 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:13 PM

    guadalahonky says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:35 PM

    machobob says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:14 PM

    Roger Goodell=Jeff Gillooly

    31 other teams= Tonya Harding

    ——————————————

    Which would make Tom Brady Shane Stant, correct? The courts found him guilty too.
    ———————————————–
    No, that would make him Nancy Kerrigan. You remember her, the victim?

  131. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 3, 2016 7:16 PM

    If NFL HQ was simply pro-active from the beginning and told everybody involved prior to the AFCC that they were going to be watching (and then actually watched), none of this would have happened and nothing would still be in doubt.

    But instead, because the week before in the BAL playoff game somebody was screwing around with the kicking balls, they decided to run a sting. And guess who NFL HQ caught? One of their own stealing gameballs for private gain. Same as the week before vs BAL. That’s what this whole Framegate thing is about.

    If I was a Ravens fan, I’d be pissed that crooks within NFL HQ are the reason the Ravens were forced to use unapproved kicking balls IN A PLAYOFF GAME!!!!!

    But it’s easier to just blame NE.

  132. limakey says: Mar 3, 2016 7:19 PM

    This has always been and will always be about cheating. There is no doubt that Brady gamed the system, knew the chances of him getting caught were slim and being proved guilty was even slimmer. He knew science could never clear or convincingly prove his guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. His lies, denials and his destruction of his cell phone is the bed he clearly made. Now let him sleep in it for 4 games.

  133. guachosporlife says: Mar 3, 2016 7:21 PM

    True dynasties of the NFL: Cowboys, 49ers, Steelers, Packers. Patriots are even in the radar.

  134. rutledge3197 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:21 PM

    Can’t wait until Brady & Manning are out of the NFL so we can get back to the sport and not all the shenanigans….

  135. tlcummins says: Mar 3, 2016 7:23 PM

    The amount of energy being wasted by Pats or Brady haters is just funny as hell, as a chiefs fan this is a laugh a minute to see you dopes lose their stuff. Really you want this amount of time and court time wasted on this? This? When there are real criminals who need to be seen and these judges time need story be used up by these dopes? Who cares at this point others than nfl to save as much face as possible or Brady for his money…. And if u want to post that I read this article or comments it’s purely for the laugh at the idiots who hate brady/Pats that much…. Children

  136. VenerableAxiom says: Mar 3, 2016 7:27 PM

    uglydingo says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:24 PM
    This is a never ending saga designed to bring down Tom Brady and the Patriots. The NFL is spending many $ millions with the express purpose of crippling the character and honesty of the greatest QB in history. This is a legal assault never seen before. They want to smear and permanently maim the integrity of the game’s finest player. It is an expensive sham.
    Tom’s lawyers were too good last time and they will fight hard to defend him. Fellow Patriots – let us pray for Tom Brady and justice.
    ====
    Careful what you pray for… you just might get it.

  137. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 3, 2016 7:28 PM

    Can’t wait until Brady & Manning are out of the NFL so …

    my trash team has a chance

  138. mikeytoth says: Mar 3, 2016 7:31 PM

    I can’t wait to hear the excuses when brady gets off on this one too. Maybe one day it will all come out that this whole thing was a framejob. Then the haters will say that it was Belichick who somehow cheated Roger to do this. Haters excuses as to why this is all on brady are a good laugh. Moronic fools who would drink from a poisoned well if they were told it was clean.

  139. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:32 PM

    Tlcummins for the win.

  140. tedmurph says: Mar 3, 2016 7:37 PM

    Brady will never serve a game before he retires.

  141. lanman11 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:40 PM

    I believe Brady was told by the NFL that HE WOULD NOT NEED TO PROVIDE HIS PERSONL CELL PHONE as part of thre investigation, just the texts. He produced over 10,000 text messages and then the NFL said “Thanks, but no thanks. We were going to look at them but since we heard you smashed your cell phone, we figure we can get more mileage out of that, and nobody will ever remember we said you didn’t have to turn that in.” I would never want to have to turn my cell phone over. There is certainly a whole lot more personal stuff on there than pertains to any one business issue. This continues to be ridiculous.

    Roger Goodell is the Mitt Romney of the NFL! Says one thing, then turns around and says another, and then blames YOU! Lolzzz…..

  142. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:40 PM

    sminco123 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 7:09 PM
    Again, why was the equipment guy called the “Deflater”? Weight loss…. Why was he going to talk to ESPN? Nothing…
    Answer these questions and I might start giving TB (great QB) I little love. Until then, no. Come on. Lets use our heads. If this was your 4th grader you wouldn’t believe it.

    First he called himself the “deflator” ONE time yet it was mentioned 8 times in the Wells Report. Is it all possible he called himself the deflator because that’s what he did? He deflated the footballs down to 12.5 psi BEFORE he brought them to the refs for inspection?

    And how can you tell what is and what isn’t sarcasm between two friends when they are texting? Especially when we don’t have the full context of the conversation. Obviously he wasn’t serious or the team would not have given him his job back.

    Now I have a simple question that no one wants or tries to answer

    They have a text in the Wells report from Brady to JJ asking him to bring the rules to the refs with the footballs showing them what the proper PSI levels should be

    Why would you do this? Why would you want to draw attention to yourself if you are doing something suspicious?

    Oh and there was another text from JM to JJ asking him to “deflate and give someone that jacket” while he was home watching the Pats Packers game on TV (JM is a game day employee and does not travel with the team) can you explain tha text?

  143. armchairqb says: Mar 3, 2016 7:42 PM

    Guilty as sin.

  144. pats777 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:51 PM

    Andrew Luck cheated too. His balls were deflated below 12.5 as well. But don’t let facts get in the way of the railroad…

  145. jag1959 says: Mar 3, 2016 7:54 PM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM
    The deflators were fired and have mysteriously disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa….
    If Brady was innocent, these guys would be out front…
    _____________

    The equipment guys were suspended at the request of the league and REINSTATED WITH THE LEAGUE’S BLESSING.
    Of course if anyone was actually interested in the truth they could read the footnotes of the hearing transcript and find out that NFL outside counsel Jeff Levy advised Goodell to ask league counsel to address in their brief having them testify and the league counsel decided there was no need.

  146. chawk12thman says: Mar 3, 2016 7:55 PM

    “Compelling and overwhelming” evidence…..but for what side?????? He actually didn’t say….

    Sometimes the Judge will argue the opposite in court from what they actually think in order to develop their arguments for the side they ultimately end up voting for…..Don’t take the conversation, types of questions asked at definitive of any finalized thoughts on the subject.

    Let the process continue and have faith that the truth, reason, policy and law will be the guide to the correct decision…..

  147. greenlargo says: Mar 3, 2016 8:01 PM

    iowamiah says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:01 PM
    They lost me with idiotic deflator comments. Did they really think that would help the cause!? I could MAYBE buy the rest of what they were selling, but come on. I’m the deflator because I want to lose weight! Laughable!

    ————————————-

    A key point to that, and one the NFL tried to mislead you on was that the one time he ever used that term was the previous June before he was with the team. I agree with you that the weight loss explanation is laughable. I don’t buy for a minute that it was about weight loss. But if it was made in the off season and before he was working with the team then it certainly wasn’t about game balls either.

  148. richardernsberger says: Mar 3, 2016 8:01 PM

    The judges made clear that there was lots of evidence of a scheme to deflate footballs and cover up evidence. Period. It’s been obvious all along. Why his original suspension was rescinded was just stupidity or bias by the original judge.

  149. bullcharger says: Mar 3, 2016 8:02 PM

    The judges will ask what ever questions they want, but they still have to respect a ruling was already made. They aren’t trying the case for the first time. They will not be able to go against Berman in the end.

  150. witchrunner says: Mar 3, 2016 8:04 PM

    The cell phone is a non-issue. Isn’t wasn’t suspended for it and it wasn’t illegal for him to do so. He was never told not to destroy it. It appears the panel can’t find that what the commish did was proper. Will see what the panel does decide, but whatever the decision, Goodell is a turkey and has been destroying the game with nonsensical decisions that have no basis in reason.

  151. mmack66 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:05 PM

    dukeearl says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:15 PM

    It is called the “ideal” gas law for a reason. It only applies in ideal conditions.
    ———————–

    Good lord, you appear to be as dumb as that osiris dude.

    It’s the “ideal gas” law, not the “ideal” gas law.

  152. bradyakagod says: Mar 3, 2016 8:08 PM

    Brady already has his deflategate revenge with his Superbowl 49 MVP performance in the greatest game ever played in terms of drama. This sets up a post suspension revenge that will give him his 5th Super Bowl.

  153. isnotreality says: Mar 3, 2016 8:08 PM

    and we pay money for all of this?

  154. greenlargo says: Mar 3, 2016 8:09 PM

    A point on the texts was that the conversation played fir us all never actually took place. What they did was cherry pick texts from various conversations and then cobbled them together so it sounded like a single one. They do speak to the dates of the first texts in the convo because it was during the season after the jets game. McNally was complaining that Brady was mad about the over inflated (16 psi, but no one is upset about that huh?) balls and apparently he was a dick about it. Then the ones after that are a hodgepodge of ones from different times. They never point out that the subsequent texts were from different times, they just laid them out in order and let perceptions be what they may. Some were from earlier in the year, some were weeks later. The actual deflator one was from half a year before during the off season and before NcNally started working with the team. This is not just some Pats homer claim and please don’t take my word for it, look it up.

  155. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:17 PM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM
    The deflators were fired and have mysteriously disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa….
    If Brady was innocent, these guys would be out front…

    Oh my god!!!! Wrong again!!

    JJ and JM did NOT get “fired”

    They were suspended per league request and and the team put in a request to have then reinstated and the league approved it. Both were back with the team after the first week of the season.

  156. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:20 PM

    dukeearl says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:15 PM

    It is called the “ideal” gas law for a reason. It only applies in ideal conditions.

    I give you the Patriots haters. !!! Please just go to bed!!

  157. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:23 PM

    richardernsberger says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:01 PM
    The judges made clear that there was lots of evidence of a scheme to deflate footballs and cover up evidence. Period. It’s been obvious all along. Why his original suspension was rescinded was just stupidity or bias by the original judge.

    Actually NO the Judges NEVER made that clear. They never said anything to that effect at all.

    Do you people just make it up as you go?

  158. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:25 PM

    VenerableAxiom says:

    “Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Well it makes no sense to anyone with common sense anyway.

    ———-

    (disclainer:i’m a Patriots fan)

    As someone that was a victim if identity theft in 2005, I disagree. I have no idea how my identity was stolen. Someone was able to establish credit using my name and social security number, and an address I had not lived at for more than 3 years. I have no idea how that information was obtained. At that point in time I had owned a total of 3 PCs, and all were still in my possession. I had only had a work issued cell phone and still had the original. I started shredding anything with personal information years before. It took me well over a year to clear that from both the creditors and the credit reporting agencies.

    In my opinion, if you don’t eliminate any possible use of information on your cell phone or hard drive upon discontinuing its use, you’re asking for trouble.

    The NFL can’t keep wonderlic scores a secret. Brady would have had a better chance at keeping his data confidential by tossing his phone into one of those recycling bins at best buy or staples than turning it over to the NFL.

  159. phinjunky1985 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:30 PM

    Actually the real problem with Brady destroying his cell phone isn’t destroying it at all,it’s that he said he always does that when he gets a new one. This was a lie because he had kept the last one without destroying it and his reasoning fell apart. I have a lot of respect for Patriot fans and some of my friends are Patriot fans; however when balls go missing from the field for a period of time and show up under inflated common sense tells you that there is a process happening with those balls that is out of the norm. They were caught and it’s embarrassing but all that smoke leads to the fire that says the Patriots were cheating. Smoke: balls go missing,players on other team handle the patriots football and notice they are too soft,Brady smashes phone,guy responsible for balls is named deflater,and best of all nobody that handles those footballs for a job would dare adjust them if Brady didn’t want them adjusted. If you screw up Brady’s football Belicheck would fire you the next day.

  160. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:33 PM

    dukeearl says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:15 PM

    It is called the “ideal” gas law for a reason. It only applies in ideal conditions.

    ————

    Well what could be more ideal than a football game?

  161. flash1287 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:36 PM

    Let’s not leave out the judges questions to the NFL attorney

    Judge Parker aggressively challenged Clement on the subject of why Goodell would so harshly punish Brady. “This is a draconian penalty for a few pounds per square inch of air,” Judge Parker said. He also implied the NFL had failed to explain why the inflation level is so critical. After admitting that different quarterbacks like their footballs inflated differently, Clement stressed that air pressure is important because the quarterback impacts every play on offense. Judge Parker didn’t seem persuaded, wondering, “Is there any real advantage?”

    Judge Parker’s skepticism about whether slightly underinflated footballs make any appreciable difference was followed by a series of aggressive questions by Judge Katzmann concerning NFL receivers using stickum in contravention of the same rules that Brady allegedly violated. Judge Katzmann pointedly asked Clement about Goodell’s “failure” to explain “the gross disparity between Brady’s punishment” and modest warnings issued over stickum, and whether that failure indicated that Goodell merely delivered “his own brand of industrial justice.” Clement didn’t seem to have a particular compelling response to this question, other than to stress that it was within Goodell’s authority to decide punishments. In other words, even if Goodell’s reasoning may be weak and unpersuasive, it doesn’t matter for purposes of the law. Clement also suggested that stickum may be less meaningful in a football game since wide receivers and tight ends—who are only involved in some plays, rather than all plays like a quarterback—are the main offenders.

    Judge Katzmann then wanted Clement to address why Goodell chose to compare Brady’s alleged conduct to use of steroids—a serious health topic with its own intricate rules which also earns a four-game suspension—rather than to stickum, an equipment issue which arguably seems more relevant. Clement again stressed that it was within the commissioner’s authority to make those determinations and doubled back on his point that deflated footballs would influence every play in a way that stickum would not.

    Judge Parker then asked a somewhat aggressive question that was at odds with Clement. In calling Goodell “the judge, jury and … executioner,” Judge Parker wondered whether this unusual arrangement means NFL arbitration is so different from normal arbitration that the high deference judges are expected to show arbitrators may not be in place in the NFL’s case. This question, to me at least, highlighted the fact that Goodell wearing multiple hats in matters of player discipline doesn’t go over well in court, since judges find it bizarre and rife with problems. Clement “respectfully disagree[d]” and argued that the NFL’s system being “unusual”—and thus unfamiliar to judges—is reason to give it more deference rather than less.

  162. alfredogarciashead says: Mar 3, 2016 8:40 PM

    Can’t run from the truth. Time for Brady to pay the piper. Tough break but cheating has consequences. LOL @ Pats fans.

  163. rootpain says: Mar 3, 2016 8:46 PM

    Come on now. We all know what the appeal is about and it’s not related to whether Brady is innocent or not. He absolutely is. But the appeal is about whether Goodell had the authority under the CBA to act as he did. Berman concluded that he did not. And I believe these appeal judges will back him up.

    But what I don’t know is how long Goodell continues to get a pass for what he has done which is to significantly sully the integrity of the shield. It is very clear that Goodell has a personal vendetta against Brady and jumped on this non-existent opportunity to seemingly knock Brady down in an effort to build himself up (at least in his mind). There’s a best sellers worth out there folks, with plenty of facts that Goodell has made this personal. He has failed of course, because his stature has plummeted. And so it should have. He was lucky of course that the Patriots ran into their injury issue this year. Had that not happened, the Patriots would have won the superbowl and Goodell would not have had the guts to hand Kraft the Lombardi. Just like he didn’t have the guts to be at the opening game in New England.
    The NFLPA wins the appeal. There is no question about it.

  164. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:51 PM

    phinjunky1985 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:30 PM
    Actually the real problem with Brady destroying his cell phone isn’t destroying it at all,it’s that he said he always does that when he gets a new one. This was a lie because he had kept the last one without destroying it and his reasoning fell apart.

    ———

    He turned that phone over. He had used it until Nov. 6th 2014. Are you aware of a Section of the Wells Report titled ‘Communications about Inflation and Deflation’ (pages 75 to 85) that lists a total of 35 text messages, dated from Sept 30 2014 to Oct. 25th 2014, the same time period that Brady used the phone he turned over?

    Any idea what the league found on it, because I haven’the heard anything?

  165. davew128 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:13 PM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM
    The deflators were fired and have mysteriously disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa….

    If Brady was innocent, these guys would be out front…
    *********************
    There were suspended at Troy Vincent’s request and already reinstated. You don’t get out much do you?

  166. ikeclanton says: Mar 3, 2016 9:14 PM

    There was no evidence the first time, and there’s nothing new this time. Justice has already been served. It’s that simple.

    Stop wasting our time with this non-story. The only people who continue to feel hurt by Brady’s exoneration are Patriot-haters. They’re the ones who, if Brady so much as gets a hangnail, they want to sentence him to 25 years in the electric chair. This is not exactly the most sane group commenting out there.

    Brady’s unrivaled success and longevity has bred a lot of unwarranted contempt, that’s about all there really is to this “story”.

  167. truthinesshurts says: Mar 3, 2016 9:28 PM

    A couple million to each of the judges and Goodell’s STILL clearing $20 Mill for the year….

  168. slew55 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:42 PM

    I just bought a new phone last week. I destroyed my old one. There is just too much personal data, passwords, etc. to take a chance with wiping it and passing it on to someone else. What doesn’t make sense about that?

  169. hrmlss says: Mar 3, 2016 9:45 PM

    OMG , The Supreme Court for a deflated football???!!!
    They can’t make a decision on, important life transforming things, but we send flat football fights to them? Can they also rule if Gisele’s boobies are real or fake?

  170. cornerstone2001 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:58 PM

    jag1959 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 7:54 PM
    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:55 PM
    The deflators were fired and have mysteriously disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa….
    If Brady was innocent, these guys would be out front…
    _____________

    The equipment guys were suspended at the request of the league and REINSTATED WITH THE LEAGUE’S BLESSING.
    Of course if anyone was actually interested in the truth they could read the footnotes of the hearing transcript and find out that NFL outside counsel Jeff Levy advised Goodell to ask league counsel to address in their brief having them testify and the league counsel decided there was no need.

    12 2
    Report comment

    Deflate and DEFLECT…Answer the question. Why have these guys disappeared and refused to talk when they could exonerate Brady? For once, answer the question

  171. cornerstone2001 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:59 PM

    ….and dont answer with legal jibber jabber jargon

  172. gotdebttoo says: Mar 3, 2016 10:03 PM

    Tom and I are not the same. However, before I destroy my cell phone, I back it up

  173. tylawspick6 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:15 PM

    Did Goodell pay off 2 judges today or is this a lot of smoke?

    “Overwhelming evidence”? Where is it?

    “anyone within 100 miles”?

    Umm, Brady OFFERED up his phone at the start of the investigation. THAT IS IN THE WELLS REPORT.

    As sneaky as Wells and Pash/Goodell, are, they apparently don’t realize the red herring of the “destroyed phone” contradicts what Wells told Brady himself at the outset.

    Brady has been the only one, along with the entire Pats organization, who are being transparent here.

    These judges either can’t read, didn’t read, are paid off or are drunk. Or, are just putting on a dog and pony show to make Goodell feel good about spending million on his failed witch hunt, in conjunction with the Colts/Ravens.

    It wasn’t until everyone realized what Goodell and Pash were doing with Wells, did Brady lose trust in the NFL, hence getting a new phone.

    Also, it’s in the CBA that no personal property of ANY player is to be turned over for any reason. This is still the United States of America, folks.

    He didn’t “destroy” anything. That word itself is chosen specifically to fool morons who want to believe the liar Goodell due to their jealousy of the Pats.

  174. honda46 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:17 PM

    Brady dropped his phone. Millions of people do that every year. When he changes his cell phone, he makes sure that the information stored on it is removed. It isn’t necessary to physically destroy the phone. If you dropped and broke your phone, how do you remove the information stored in it’s memory? Physical destruction of the memory is the only way to ensure that nothing can be recovered from it.
    The Wells Report states that most of the footballs in question lost air pressure in line with the ideal gas formula. That means that the time in the bathroom wasn’t used to do anything to most of the footballs. The fraction of a psi that the minority of the footballs were under is what the trolls are clinging to. The science in the Wells Report didn’t cover what happens to a leather ball when it is rained on. Several lab tests have shown that the ball expands slightly when wet. That drops the pressure a little. Try reading the facts before offering opinions.
    Spygate- what rule did the Patriots break then? Film from the wrong location? Trick question. There was no rule on filming location until a couple of months after this happened. The “rule” that they violated was the memo the league issued before the rule went into NFL effect. Destroyed the films to protect the Patriots? How does Jay Glazer of Fox Sports have a copy of at least one of the films? Look it up. Both sides have at least some of it wrong.

  175. truthinesshurts says: Mar 4, 2016 12:09 AM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:58 PM

    Deflate and DEFLECT…Answer the question. Why have these guys disappeared and refused to talk when they could exonerate Brady? For once, answer the question.
    +++++++++++++++
    Most employees of large corporations, as a matter of policy, are not permitted to give unplanned interviews or represent the corporation in a public forum. That’s the job of Communications/Public Relations departments, or executives (equivalent to players in the NFL). If the Patriots were to arrange a press conference featuring the ball boys, and they came out and said “We didn’t do anything to those balls after the referee inspected them!”…would that make a difference to you? No, you’d just assume they’re lying no matter what the actual truth is, because you’re biased and no one will convince you that something other than your beliefs are true.

  176. joseferreira1967 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:21 AM

    So many happy people because a judge asked tough questions about a destroyed cell phone that is irrelevant to the matter being discussed.

    Happy days for Pats haters. Enjoy it boys and girls.

    To make up for he lousy days you typically have on the field when your favorite team plays the Pats!

    Do continue to think the Pats success is because of cheating, it will just make sure the Pats success will continue for many years to come.

  177. rpahl13 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:46 AM

    “davidbrent says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:58 PM

    people keep babbling about ideal gas law as if they live in this alternative universe where the text messages between brady’s stooges don’t exist. those texts and the destroyed phone are compelling, overwhelming circumstantial evidence. circumstantial evidence is evidence.”

    —————————

    Not a single text or known communication mentions any tampering being done or being requested.
    Not a single text or known communication mentions Brady preferring footballs outside the legal pressure range.

    Brady’s phone was destroyed after Wells told Brady “Keep the phone.”
    He also told him “I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report.”
    Wells did not consider the phone important. Brady’s lawyers also assured him it would never be needed. There was no reason not to destroy the phone. Turning it over could never have exonerated him; when nothing was found, it would just be assumed he deleted evidence first – and cellphone data CAN be irrecoverably deleted with fileshredder apps.

    Brady offered Goodell a list of people he’d talk to on it so they could work with the phone company to retrieve any communications, Goodell refused to go through with this option.

    “the deflator” was something only ever mentioned once, in May – the middle of the off-season, in a conversation that had nothing to do with football. There is no reason to associate that ‘nickname’ (not even a nickname since he called himself by that, once) with an alleged deflation scheme.
    McNally sent another text to Jastremski, during a Pats@Packers game, when McNally, watching from home, saw Jastremski on TV, on the sideline, wearing a thick jacket and holding another, which read “deflate and give somebody that jacket”
    This OBVIOUSLY demonstrates a different meaning for the word between them.

  178. j huber says: Mar 4, 2016 12:57 AM

    I’m sick of the NE Cheater propaganda routine.

    You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Probably from someone you cheated in the past. And they got their get evens.

    You have danced around everything, laid a cloud of BS smoke and crooked mirrors, used your prove it rationale, tried to convince other with your magic show, and still continue to lie and cheat. But the best routine is convincing other that the football somehow deflated themselves for the pats, but not for other teams. Must be a new mystery gas law, that Einstein forgot to write down.

    And it looks like your finally gonna have to pay for your deeds.
    And regrettably you still don’t get it

  179. pittsburghdamned says: Mar 4, 2016 1:11 AM

    Until they question Tom’s secret lover: Jim Gray, none of us will really know for sure what the truth is.

  180. xxbarklikeadogxx says: Mar 4, 2016 1:13 AM

    Hey Cheat, dropping your phone and intentionally destroying it are two different things. Keep drinking Tammy Lover!

  181. daytontriangles says: Mar 4, 2016 1:54 AM

    thermanmerman99 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 6:31 PM

    I’m in the process of ordering a customized patriots jersey with the name asterisks and either the number 4 for the amount of asterisks or the greatest asterisk of all time number 12. Which should I go with? I need suggestions

    ________________________

    If you are going for historical accuracy, use the number 12, but replace the four asterisks with four Lobardi Trophies.

  182. ratsfoiledagain says: Mar 4, 2016 2:01 AM

    bostonbadass says:Mar 3, 2016 4:57 PM

    Here we go I’m willing to bet this post will see over 300 replies…

    All the Brady haters should be waking up in mom’s basement real soon to get on here & spew their hate…..lmfao can’t wait bring the hate.
    *********
    All the Brady supporters are waking up in their moms basement as well.

    All of this could have been put to rest within 24 hours of the report after the Colts game. However, the words used by the NFL, Patriots organization, and Brady himself during his press conference at the time, made it worse.

  183. mrloser444 says: Mar 4, 2016 7:27 AM

    bostonbadass says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:57 PM
    Here we go I’m willing to bet this post will see over 300 replies…

    All the Brady haters should be waking up in mom’s basement real soon to get on here & spew their hate…..lmfao can’t wait bring the hate
    —————————————————-
    No. we’re Patsfans haters!

  184. footballfanatic says: Mar 4, 2016 7:34 AM

    honda46 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:17 PM

    LOL, the “fraction of a psi”……..you mean almost 20% of the air initially in the football. ANyone can say “well 2 is a low number”, and it is………..out of 100. But out of 12.5, then 2 is a significant number. Ideal gas law wasnt proved either way- period- no arguing that. So lets drop that nonsense right now. What do you need in any conviction? Motive- brady lobied to get rid of low PSI rule back in ’07, so we know he likes underinflated balls. Timeframe: plenty of time in the bathroom with those balls to do it. Right away he looks guilty, lets pepper this case with a broken phone, referring to oneself as “deflator”, ball boys threatening going to ESPN about brady and this case is signed sealed and delivered.

  185. dexterismyhero says: Mar 4, 2016 7:54 AM

    @bostonbadass says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:57 PM

    Here we go I’m willing to bet this post will see over 300 replies…

    All the Brady lovers should be waking up in mom’s basement real soon to get on here & spew their love…..lmfao can’t wait, bring the love..

    Fixed it for you!!!!

  186. uknepatsfan says: Mar 4, 2016 7:59 AM

    People like Rootpain understand the issue.

    The matter isn’t whether Brady did or didn’t do it.

    The issue is whether Goodell has ultimate authority to issue any discipline regardless of whether he has followed correct procedures or not.

    The NFL is saying he can and that this is his remit under the CBA with no acountability to anyone else for his decisions.

    Its an important issue and if the NFL wins I suspect there is going to be a sea change at NFLPA level. The next collective bargaining agreement would stand to be a lot different than previous and current versions.

    So, this isn’t about air in footballs. Its about what the Commissioner of the NFL can or can’t do.

  187. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 8:15 AM

    Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.”
    ===========================
    I hate to say this but ‘I told you so’ LOL

  188. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 8:17 AM

    Spygate- what rule did the Patriots break then? Film from the wrong location?
    =========================
    Grasping at straws huh? LOL

  189. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 8:20 AM

    gotdebttoo says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:03 PM

    Tom and I are not the same. However, before I destroy my cell phone, I back it up
    ——-

    and that’s probably how Brady was able to turn over all the documents he did. However the NFL chooses to focus on the phone itself, and not the documents that came from it.

  190. ninjapleazee says: Mar 4, 2016 8:24 AM

    The clown panicked and destroyed his phone. If you’re not guilty of something why get so dramatic.

  191. pleasefiregoodell says: Mar 4, 2016 8:28 AM

    Not a Brady or Pats fan. Don’t like them.

    BUT I REALLY can’t stand goodell.

    I’d root for the Pats if they would fire goodell.

  192. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 8:30 AM

    Brady’s unrivaled success and longevity has bred a lot of unwarranted contempt
    =======================
    Nah, excessive and consistent cheating has bred WARRANTED contempt………

  193. johnnycantread says: Mar 4, 2016 8:40 AM

    I don’t understand why the Pats fans think the NFL has a vendetta against their team. The NFL promotes players to attract fans, which means more money for the league. Brady has been one of the faces of the league for a long time. If Brady and the Patriots are innocent, to what benefit would it be for the league to try to tear them down?
    There are too many suspicious things connected to this. The timing of the broken cellphone. The “Deflator”. The explanations for both are lame. Do they serious think that anyone but N.E. fans will believe those excuses? Something’s fishy here and I don’t think it’s the breeze off of Cape Cod.

  194. realitycheckbaby says: Mar 4, 2016 8:43 AM

    Oh no, expect all the sniveling Pat fans to start another 10 boy march.

    LOL

  195. jimmyt says: Mar 4, 2016 8:45 AM

    I always have to laugh at the Ideal Gas Bags that cite the Ideal Gas Law like they are some brilliant physicists or something. Yes it is there but so is a ton of evidence that Brady ordered his equipment guys to let air out of the footballs to try to gain an advantage – he cheated. Again.

  196. realitycheckbaby says: Mar 4, 2016 8:46 AM

    ninjapleazee says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:24 AM

    The clown panicked and destroyed his phone. If you’re not guilty of something why get so dramatic.
    ======

    Because the phone had incriminating proof that not only did Lady cheat, but Belicheat was in it up to his eyeballs.

    Multiple PROVEN cheaters.

    Billionaire owners don’t pay $millions in fines, give up multiple picks, and hurt their brand because they’re innocent.

  197. xxbarklikeadogxx says: Mar 4, 2016 8:48 AM

    Tom needs to show the Judges his facebook stuff. You know, standing around in nerdy ski outfits, holding his new puppy. Hopefully, Parker won’t find out about Tom’s marital cheating (google Brady, cheating, Nanny, divorce). That might be a big problem!!

  198. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 8:51 AM

    johnnycantread says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:40 AM

    I don’t understand why the Pats fans think the NFL has a vendetta against their team.
    —–

    if someone offered a fair argument could you consider changing your opinion? If not, then it’s not worth the time to offer the argument.

  199. Tomlin is scum, breeds scum says: Mar 4, 2016 8:53 AM

    So bored with this topic…. Bengals fan…. I wish it would go away

    I really dont care if he did it or not….

  200. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 8:57 AM

    I don’t understand why the Pats fans think the NFL has a vendetta against their team.
    —–

    if someone offered a fair argument could you consider changing your opinion? If not, then it’s not worth the time to offer the argument.
    =========================
    Sounds like there is no fair argument or you would have disclosed it by now lol

  201. superpatriotsfan says: Mar 4, 2016 8:57 AM

    Only people living in NE think Tom Brady is not guilty. He could be caught red handed as a child molester and NE fans will still defend him.

  202. sonhoodoo says: Mar 4, 2016 8:59 AM

    remember21 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:59 PM

    Denying that Brady cheated is pretty insulting to my intelligence. Denying that the cheating impacted the game in a tangible way … that is a different question.
    ———–
    Sounds like it is right to mock your intelligence.

  203. musicfootballprogramming says: Mar 4, 2016 9:01 AM

    There are too many suspicious things connected to this. The timing of the broken cellphone. The “Deflator”. The explanations for both are lame. Do they serious think that anyone but N.E. fans will believe those excuses? Something’s fishy here and I don’t think it’s the breeze off of Cape Cod.

    Hey nice story. There’s something you missed though: the footballs were not deflated in the first place. That makes everything else completely meaningless and it doesn’t matter how much you hate the Patriots: they didn’t cheat.

    This is like accusing someone of murder, having the dead guy show up and say, “Hey, I was in Florida!” and thinking, “eh, we came this far” and convicting the “murderer” anyway because of suspicious text messages.

    Really, it’s amazing how all the haters came out of the woodwork once the judge asked some questions that have actually been answered several times.

    Brady isn’t going to be suspended, even if this judge orders it so. It will be appealed, Brady will play 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 while the NFL continues to wrack up tens of millions in legal fees for a witch hunt over something that doesn’t matter at all.

  204. zeke2517 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:03 AM

    “Arrest, try and convict ROger Goodell and the owners, colluding to try to cheat the Pats from behind the scenes.”

    Just how dumb are you, exactly?

  205. musicfootballprogramming says: Mar 4, 2016 9:04 AM

    jimmyt says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:45 AM
    I always have to laugh at the Ideal Gas Bags that cite the Ideal Gas Law like they are some brilliant physicists or something.

    Yeah, science, what has it ever done for us anyway??

    You don’t need to be a brilliant physicist to understand the IGL. In fact, my 8 year old can explain it perfectly and instantly knew why the “low pressure” indicator went off in the van this morning in 10° weather.

    So, it’s beyond you then, is it?

  206. sonhoodoo says: Mar 4, 2016 9:06 AM

    jimmyt says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:45 AM

    I always have to laugh at the Ideal Gas Bags that cite the Ideal Gas Law like they are some brilliant physicists or something. Yes it is there but so is a ton of evidence that Brady ordered his equipment guys to let air out of the footballs to try to gain an advantage – he cheated. Again.
    —————————
    Umm, you would be the first to be able to present any evidence that Brady ordered this. In fact, the evidence has the equipment guys saying Brady told them to make sure the refs know the rule so they don’t overinflate the footballs like they did in the October game. No reasonable person would take that and say he said something else.

  207. solo681 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:13 AM

    Best FREE Laughter you can get from the posts on here such as :

    “but so is a ton of evidence that Brady ordered his equipment guys to let air out of the footballs ”

    Morons, that is what ball boys do everyday they work for the team they are employed by = they take the footballs and periodically inflate them and DEFLATE them to the 12.5 -13.5 specs.

    “ton of evidence” ???

    You cannot even produce a 0.5psi of air evidence – LMAO

  208. letmefeelyourlove says: Mar 4, 2016 9:25 AM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:58 PM

    Deflate and DEFLECT…Answer the question. Why have these guys [Jastremski and McNally] disappeared and refused to talk when they could exonerate Brady? For once, answer the question
    ____________________________________

    Both of these guys were interviewed by the NFL and/or Ted Wells for several hours on multiple occasions. On every such occasion each of them testified that there was no scheme to deflate footballs. If either of them had stated that there was such a scheme, the Wells Report would have included their statement.

    If either of these guys testimony would have implicated Brady in a ball deflation scheme, why did the NFL not want them as witnesses at the appeal hearing? Please answer that question.

  209. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:26 AM

    It’s pretty clear that these judges are Jets and/or Bills fans.

  210. fjw2 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:38 AM

    OK, I’ve read all the comments thus far. Nothing really new in any of them from either side. But here is one comment that I have never seen addressed by anyone:

    Even if Brady did have his cell phone “destroyed” (whatever that means exactly has never been established) by an assistant, why on earth did he ever tell the NFL that he did that?

    He didn’t have to tell them, and I’m fairly certain that they never asked him if he had. He was not required to provide the phone to Wells or the NFL, and Wells had already said he didn’t want it.

    But for some (unknown) reason, Brady and the NFLPA volunteered the information. Just like they voluntarily submitted the security video tape of McNally taking the balls in the bathroom.

    If Brady and the Patriots were actually complicit with some scheme to cheat the rules, and cover that up after the fact, don’t you suppose that they would not have volunteered these things?

    The conspiracy theorist in me makes me wonder if perhaps the NFLPA wanted to instigate the Goodell ruling so they could take the league to court and attempt to break the overly restrictive CBA. Though I’m not sure that Brady would have gone along with such a plan if he had been made aware of that.

  211. cornerstone2001 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:43 AM

    As i thought…..crickets……..

    Not one Pat fan will answer the question of why the deflators have mysteriously disappeared and wont talk…when they easily could exonerate Brady?

  212. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:51 AM

    what is not being talked about in the mainstream press is how the judges questioned the NFL’s lawyer about the manner in which Goodell determined Brady’s punishment. Which is what Berman did and based his decision on. Which is what this appeal is actually about.

  213. sonhoodoo says: Mar 4, 2016 9:52 AM

    johnnycantread says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:40 AM

    I don’t understand why the Pats fans think the NFL has a vendetta against their team. The NFL promotes players to attract fans, which means more money for the league. Brady has been one of the faces of the league for a long time. If Brady and the Patriots are innocent, to what benefit would it be for the league to try to tear them down?
    There are too many suspicious things connected to this. The timing of the broken cellphone. The “Deflator”. The explanations for both are lame. Do they serious think that anyone but N.E. fans will believe those excuses? Something’s fishy here and I don’t think it’s the breeze off of Cape Cod.
    ——————————–

    The NFL wants parity. Parity brings more fans which means more money.
    The Patriots skew that with their success. They have essentially locked out the rest of the AFC East from the playoffs for 15 years. Teams that don’t make the playoffs lose fans. Lost fans means lost revenue from tickets and merchandise.
    Success also breeds contempt and continued success even more so. A lot of owners have a “win now” mentality but have no idea how to win. They see the Patriots run and can’t help but think they aren’t playing by the rules. Instead of looking at ways to make their team compete better (which might actually cost money) it is easier to tear down the winner and bring him back into the pack of parity.

  214. sonhoodoo says: Mar 4, 2016 9:58 AM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:17 AM

    Spygate- what rule did the Patriots break then? Film from the wrong location?
    =========================
    Grasping at straws huh? LOL
    —————————
    No he isn’t. That is what they were found “guilty” of.

  215. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:09 AM

    This is the simple logic of the Patriot fans..
    Deflation Texts between Brady and ball boys, destruction of the cell phone like Brady and Hernandez mean nothing. They want to blame somebody else, but they can’t, so instead they blame the inert gas law.

  216. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:12 AM

    Sure is a good thing that the Patriot extended Brady’s contract, it will be a while before the cheater can play again.

  217. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:15 AM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 9:43 AM

    As i thought…..crickets……..

    Not one Pat fan will answer the question of why the deflators have mysteriously disappeared and wont talk…when they easily could exonerate Brady?
    ———

    they have not disappeared, and were back with the team this past fall, as several people have already mentioned. either you choose not to understand that or you’re just ignoring it on purpose.

    as for speaking out……who on either side of this has spoken out? where is Ted Wells? where is Walt Anderson? Mike Kensil? Dave Gardi? Jeff Pash? Troy Vincent? Ryan Grigson? there is litigation pending, that is why nobody is speaking out.

    common sense….isn’t too common.

  218. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:19 AM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 9:43 AM

    As i thought…..crickets……..

    Not one Pat fan will answer the question of why the deflators have mysteriously disappeared and wont talk…when they easily could exonerate Brady?
    —————–

    They are working for the Patriots.

    They’ve already exonerated themselves and Brady.

    If they had anything incriminating to say, Goodell would have had them front and center at the appeal hearing.

  219. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:22 AM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 4, 2016 8:57 AM

    Sounds like there is no fair argument or you would have disclosed it by now lol

    ———–

    I have offered my argument often, and it is quite lengthy. it’s only worth offering again if the person to which it is directed is willing to consider it. That is why I asked the question.

  220. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:27 AM

    This is the simple logic of the Patriot fans..
    Deflation Texts between Brady and ball boys, destruction of the cell phone like Brady and Hernandez mean nothing. They want to blame somebody else, but they can’t, so instead they blame the inert gas law.

    ——-

    here is the simple logic of Patriots Haters…

    make up your own ‘facts’ like those in the paragraph above.

  221. whispersd says: Mar 4, 2016 10:48 AM

    rolf1015 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 4:56 PM

    So the judges apparently did not do their homework and are as uneducated about the ideal gas law as the general public.

    It’s worse than that. Judge Chin isn’t even interested in the Ideal Gas Law.

    I’m not impressed by the line of questioning. Berman’s decision had nothing to do with Brady’s phone. And no, Goodell isn’t empowered to suspend Brady for destroying his own phone. Not in any legal sense. And isn’t that supposed to be what this hearing is about, the legalities? Not whether they think “Brady was guilty so he must be punished.”

  222. whispersd says: Mar 4, 2016 10:52 AM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 10:09 AM

    This is the simple logic of the Patriot fans..
    Deflation Texts between Brady and ball boys, destruction of the cell phone like Brady and Hernandez mean nothing. They want to blame somebody else, but they can’t, so instead they blame the inert gas law.

    It’s the Ideal Gas Law, not the Inert Gas Law. There is nothing to “blame”. You’re argument based on the idea that physics weren’t working on that day in January. Saying that the Ideal Gas Law is the only defense is like saying the only defense in a murder trial is that the alleged victim is still alive.

    We continue to be baffled at how so many people insist cheating happened when the balls were at the pressures they were expected to be at on a cold, wet day. Evidence of “suspicious behavior” itself is a poor substitute for evidence that some kind of rules transgression actually happened!

  223. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:56 AM

    I love the “whining woe is me Patriot defense”. We are so good for long that the NFL is out to get us.
    I got news for you…you are good mostly because the rest of your division has sucked for 10 years.

  224. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:58 AM

    If the NFL were out to “get” the Patriots, they would move them to the AFC North with Burfict.

  225. mellimac says: Mar 4, 2016 11:30 AM

    Judges have probably made up their mind already… their probing cell phone questions are a red herring. They’re aware Brady’s phone is not part of the CBA. They felt compelled to ask to see if the Brady’s team would offer anything new, which they did not. There is no way in a million years I could see Brady being suspended as long as we have the Ideal Gas Law being in force. While judges are not known for their scientific acumen, they will defer to it, unlike the NFL, which thinks the Ideal Gas Law is an unproven theory.

  226. anon5121 says: Mar 4, 2016 11:35 AM

    Good grief. Everyone, including everyone in New England, whether they admit it or not, knows Tom Brady had the ball boy alter the psi and then obstructed the NFL investigation by destroying his phone.

    These judges finally called out Brady, the Pats and their lawyers. Just take your suspension and be done with it.

  227. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 11:52 AM

    I suspect the NFL took notice when Brady was booed when introduced at the Super Bowl. That pretty much says it all.

    Ray Lewis has his detractors, but he was not booed.

    People that spend $1000s for a ticket to the Super Bowl are not booing Tom Brady because they are jealous. Rather, they see Brady as everything that is bad about the game relative to different rules.

  228. imodan says: Mar 4, 2016 11:55 AM

    Allowing Brady indeed was involved someone, anyone explain to me how Aaron Rogers, who out and out admitted he did the same exact thing, messing with psi, isn’t even slapped on the wrist? I’ll accept punishment…..as long as it is administered fairly and equally. In this case, as with recent others, that simply isn’t how Goodell and the NFL operates and that’s why we are where we are today. Mistrusting everything Goodell says or does.

  229. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:55 PM

    imodan says:
    Mar 4, 2016 11:55 AM

    Allowing Brady indeed was involved someone, anyone explain to me how Aaron Rogers, who out and out admitted he did the same exact thing, messing with psi, isn’t even slapped on the wrist?
    ————————-

    Because Mike Kensil said that they didn’t want to overreact.

    Yep, he actually said that in the appeal hearing.

    Didn’t want to overreact.

    Meanwhile, 13 months later, here we are, still dealing with Framegate.

  230. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 1:10 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 11:52 AM

    I suspect the NFL took notice when Brady was booed when introduced at the Super Bowl. That pretty much says it all.

    Ray Lewis has his detractors, but he was not booed.

    People that spend $1000s for a ticket to the Super Bowl are not booing Tom Brady because they are jealous. Rather, they see Brady as everything that is bad about the game relative to different rules
    ———–

    you know exactly what every one of those people that booed were thinking? did you speak to every one of them individually or have them fill out a survey?

    I’m curious how you determined what they were all thinking. please share the details with us.

  231. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 1:29 PM

    Sounds like Judge Chin believes that 11 of the 12 footballs were 2psi under regulation.

    Thanks Mort.

  232. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 4, 2016 2:01 PM

    Rather, they see Brady as everything that is bad about the game relative to different rules


    I am always amused by this, considering most of the fans saying it would shriek and break a glass every single time Brady gets a roughing the passer flag that any other quarterback in the league would get.

    According to Patriot Hater, Tom Brady is never allowed to draw a roughing the passer flag at any time no matter what. Calling it on any other QB is ok, just not for the QB I hate.
    :)

  233. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 4, 2016 2:04 PM

    All Brady needs to do is have two of the three judges agree to 1 of Judge Berman’s reasons to overturn the suspension. Not all of them. Just 1. And not all the judges. Just 2 of 3.:)

    I like his chances. There will be no suspension.

    Money in the bank.

    BOOK IT.
    :)

  234. coloradotennisfan says: Mar 4, 2016 2:25 PM

    I thought this mess was dropped. I cannot understand the advantage gained by deflating balls. The investigation it seems is about nothing. Brady destroyed his phone to evade scrutiny but he seems entitled to privacy. Drop this phony scandal and move on.

  235. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 3:08 PM

    coloradotennisfan says:
    Mar 4, 2016 2:25 PM

    I thought this mess was dropped. I cannot understand the advantage gained by deflating balls. The investigation it seems is about nothing. Brady destroyed his phone to evade scrutiny but he seems entitled to privacy. Drop this phony scandal and move on.
    ————————–

    There is no advantage gained by deflating footballs below 12.5psi, as was proven in the second half of the 2015 AFCCG, Super Bowl 49, and last season.

    Goodell is prepared to take this case all the way up to the Gods on Mt. Olympus, so it isn’t going away.

  236. sb44champs says: Mar 4, 2016 3:15 PM

    Patriots cheat. Just get over it already Pats fans, the truth hurts but its still the truth……

  237. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 4:29 PM

    sb44champs says:
    Mar 4, 2016 3:15 PM

    Patriots cheat. Just get over it already Pats fans, the truth hurts but its still the truth……
    —————–

    I would have thought that a fan of the last team that Goodell screwed would be a little more critical of him when he tried to do it again.

    Guess I was wrong.

  238. stevepatriot says: Mar 4, 2016 4:39 PM

    -Ted Wells, 5/12/15:
    And I want to be crystal clear. I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, “I don’t want to see any private information.” I said, “Keep the phone. You and the agent, Mr. Yee, you can look at the phone. You give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive.”

  239. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 4:50 PM

    whispersd says:
    Mar 4, 2016 10:52 AM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 10:09 AM

    This is the simple logic of the Patriot fans..
    Deflation Texts between Brady and ball boys, destruction of the cell phone like Brady and Hernandez mean nothing. They want to blame somebody else, but they can’t, so instead they blame the inert gas law.

    It’s the Ideal Gas Law, not the Inert Gas Law. There is nothing to “blame”. You’re argument based on the idea that physics weren’t working on that day in January. Saying that the Ideal Gas Law is the only defense is like saying the only defense in a murder trial is that the alleged victim is still alive.

    We continue to be baffled at how so many people insist cheating happened when the balls were at the pressures they were expected to be at on a cold, wet day. Evidence of “suspicious behavior” itself is a poor substitute for evidence that some kind of rules transgression actually happened!

    __________________________

    You completely ignore the real evidence.
    Why the text to the ball boys?
    Why the ball boys calling themselves the deflator?
    Why Tom Brady destroying his cell phone?
    Why the ball boy taking the balls into the bathroom after they were certified by the refs?

    Instead of answering the questions that YOU think answers the issues, answer the questions that EVERYBODY NOT A PATRIOT wants an answer!

  240. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 4:54 PM

    paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 1:10 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 11:52 AM

    I suspect the NFL took notice when Brady was booed when introduced at the Super Bowl. That pretty much says it all.

    Ray Lewis has his detractors, but he was not booed.

    People that spend $1000s for a ticket to the Super Bowl are not booing Tom Brady because they are jealous. Rather, they see Brady as everything that is bad about the game relative to different rules
    ———–

    you know exactly what every one of those people that booed were thinking? did you speak to every one of them individually or have them fill out a survey?

    I’m curious how you determined what they were all thinking. please share the details with us.

    ____________________________

    Oh Gee…he got booed because they simply don’t understand that pressure drops as the temperature drops. Yeah…thats the ticket. They flunked physics. No way could it be that Tom Brady cheated and he got away with it AGAIN!

  241. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 4, 2016 5:15 PM

    No…..you said they booed Brady because “they see Brady as everything that is bad about the game relative to different rules”.

    I never speculated why they booed him because it would only be speculation. All I asked you was how you know what you wrote is true.

    or are you speculating?

  242. swagger52 says: Mar 4, 2016 5:20 PM

    I was there and I booed. Everybody in my section boooed, and we all agreed it is because different rules again for Patriots cheating.

  243. rolf1015 says: Mar 4, 2016 5:33 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 5:20 PM
    I was there and I booed. Everybody in my section boooed, and we all agreed it is because different rules again for Patriots cheating.
    _______________________
    So then you’re a Broncos fan? And we should be surprised that you and other Broncos fans booed (Panther fans too)?

    And what are the “different rules” that you are referring to? Seems to me that the league treats the Patriots much more harshly than any other team.

  244. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 4, 2016 6:03 PM

    We all know the Patriots will be super bowl favorites again, regardless of out come. Spoiled in Patriot nation, spoiled eggs elsewhere. Status quo come football season. More frustration to come for the rest of the AFC. We all know it. Love it.

  245. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 6:14 PM

    mmack66 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 5:37 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 4:50 PM

    You completely ignore the real evidence.
    Why the text to the ball boys?
    Why the ball boys calling themselves the deflator?
    Why Tom Brady destroying his cell phone?
    Why the ball boy taking the balls into the bathroom after they were certified by the refs?

    Instead of answering the questions that YOU think answers the issues, answer the questions that EVERYBODY NOT A PATRIOT wants an answer!
    —————————–

    If you were asked about, or accused of cheating by deflating footballs, wouldn’t you want to talk to the person that prepared the footballs, to try and figure out what might have happened? Why is that so hard to comprehend?

    McNally refereed to himself as the deflator. Since Wells declined to interview him by phone, and Goodell declined to call him to appear at the appeal hearing, we’ll probably never know. Although bozos routinely laugh at the notion that it was used as in reference to weight loss, the NFL itself used the term in exactly the same way.

    Tom said he routinely recycles his phone when he gets a new one.

    McNally likely took the footballs into the bathroom to avoid leaving them unattended in the hallway while he took a leak.

    You’re welcome.

  246. honda46 says: Mar 4, 2016 6:21 PM

    footballfanatic says:
    the “fraction of a psi”……..you mean almost 20% of the air initially in the football. ANyone can say “well 2 is a low number”, and it is………..out of 100. But out of 12.5, then 2 is a significant number. Ideal gas law wasnt proved either way- period- no arguing that.
    Start with a 12.5 psi football, bring it out into a cooler atmosphere and rain, the pressure reading drops. The Wells Report (for the NFL) states that the footballs dropped in pressure within a narrow range, around 1.5 psi as calculated by the ideal gas law. So, readings at 11 psi would be normal for measurement. Look at what the Patriot football readings were for that game. A minority of the footballs were up to .4 psi under 11. Point 4 psi is 3.2% of 12.5. That isn’t anywhere near 20%.
    Where does 2 psi come from? It wasn’t anywhere in the Wells report. Are you still clinging to 11 out of 12 were 2 psi under? Even ESPN has finally disowned the incorrect initial reports that were wrong.
    Ideal gas law wasn’t proved? 200 years of science is wrong?? Even the NFL agrees that it exists and applies! So, are the Patriots and the NFL wrong? I’m guessing that you didn’t read the Wells Report.
    What about the Colts balls that were also measured out of spec? Not a concern? How about the spot checking that the NFL did for ball pressure at various games in 2015.. Did you see any results released? If it had helped the NFL’s case, you bet it would have been.
    A common statement is that the refs should have felt the lower pressures. Using available information on gametime temperatures, about 70% of footballs used were out of spec as calculated by the ideal gas law for 2014. (both too high and too low) How do the refs know what is normal by touch when they are out of spec 70% of the time?
    Patriots play in a very soft division. Always the worst division in the game for the last 10 years. I’ve read that in the responses. Do the math before repeating that myth. Not the bottom, not next to the bottom, not middle of the pack. When you know the truth, don’t repeat the lies.

  247. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 7:38 PM

    The first question the judges should have asked that bozo representing the NFL was what the starting pressures were for all of the footballs used in the 2015 AFCCG.

    They should have then asked for the document, from the night of that game, that had that information written on it.

    At that point it would have been ruling upheld.

  248. rolf1015 says: Mar 4, 2016 11:29 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 4:50 PM

    Instead of answering the questions that YOU think answers the issues, answer the questions that EVERYBODY NOT A PATRIOT wants an answer!
    ____________________________

    Why the text to the ball boys?
    A: You mean the text where Brady says to JJ not to worry as you did “nothing wrong”. If not which specific text FROM BRADY are you referring to?

    Why the ball boys calling themselves the deflator?
    A: Because he routinely prepared (and inflated/deflated) footballs PRIOR to handing them to the ref. Do you think no other team has ball boys that inflate/deflate footballs? Maybe they magically inflate themselves to the exact level every game?

    Why Tom Brady destroying his cell phone?
    A: Ted Wells said he didn’t want the phone. And Brady didn’t want any private data or pics to be leaked. Would you trust the NFL with your personal data after all the info they consistently leaked?

    Why the ball boy taking the balls into the bathroom after they were certified by the refs?
    A: Why is it so hard to believe that he actually used the bathroom. And if so, he wouldn’t leave the balls outside by themselves – if they disappeared then he would be screwed. And if this was such an unusual circumstance, why did a room full of league officials not stop him? It’s because this was routine and no one cared.

  249. whispersd says: Mar 5, 2016 1:17 AM

    mmack66 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 7:38 PM
    The first question the judges should have asked that bozo representing the NFL was what the starting pressures were for all of the footballs used in the 2015 AFCCG.

    Problem is that they are not re-trying the case. They’re only supposed to be considering the issue of whether Judge Berman properly applied labor law during Brady’s appeal. It seems bizarre to me that they kept focusing in on questions of guilt, proof, and the phone, which had nothing to do with the judgment Judge Berman made. The destruction of the phone wasn’t even mentioned in the original punishment since the league didn’t even know about it then. So it’s hard for them to argue that the punishment is for the destruction of the phone, even though they do seem to like to slip that fact in. And let’s not forget that they keep escalating the accusations against Brady, as they were seriously mocked for the initial standard of being “generally aware” of something. They changed that standard to “directed a scheme” without the discovery of any new evidence, evidently solely because the first standard was laughably loose.

    It’s disappointing that Judge Chin thinks the case against Brady is “compelling” when independent scientific studies have repeatedly said that the balls on the day last January were not inordinately low in pressure, not given the temperature at that time.

    And really, I’m sorry that the scientific details of this case aren’t easy to understand as “he destroyed a phone!” or “he used the word ‘deflator’ in a text message!” but really, if you want to be serious about understanding what actually happened, you need to understand the basic physics involved.

  250. whispersd says: Mar 5, 2016 1:22 AM

    Aespo24 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:10 PM
    When the hell did a 4-game suspension garner the importance of bringing in the U.S. court of appeals…its childish on both sides at this point.

    ===

    For Brady, the incentive to clear his name is pretty obvious. Did you watch the Super Bowl? Brady doesn’t want false accusations hanging over his head for the rest of his life.

    For Goodell, this is about asserting his authority. He’s a man who builds his image of power by never admitting a mistake. He’s incapable of doing so, and he’s offended because he feels that nobody respects him. Also, he’s being pressured by a good number of owners who are telling him, off the record of course, that the Patriots are cheaters, have always been cheaters, and that the NFL must punish him.

    Evidently NFL owners, even the ones who are billionaires, aren’t necessarily smarter than PFT commenters. It surely doesn’t help that not one of them has any real background in science.

  251. datschu says: Mar 5, 2016 1:52 AM

    Cannot believe pats fans still trying to defend the guy. The fact that he killed is phone alone tells me he’s guilty. Think about this… Had this been a crime… And he was at a jury trial.. You really think that him smashing his phone before it could be examined would just be allowed “written off” as something he always does? Hell no! That’s the proverbial smoking gun to his guilt!

  252. whispersd says: Mar 5, 2016 2:03 AM

    davidbrent says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:58 PM
    people keep babbling about ideal gas law as if they live in this alternative universe where the text messages between brady’s stooges don’t exist. those texts and the destroyed phone are compelling, overwhelming circumstantial evidence. circumstantial evidence is evidence.


    People keep babbling about text messages and the destroyed phone as if the ideal gas law doesn’t exist in their universe.

    Here’s the difference: the text messages and the phone destruction are, at best, secondary evidence. The PSI measurements are the primary evidence. If the primary evidence shows that no tampering happened, the secondary evidence is irrelevant.

    Why is it so damned hard to get this point across? There’s no evidence that a rules violation even happened.

  253. mmack66 says: Mar 5, 2016 9:52 AM

    Aespo24 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 5:10 PM
    When the hell did a 4-game suspension garner the importance of bringing in the U.S. court of appeals…its childish on both sides at this point.
    ————————————

    You haven’t seen anything yet. Goodell still has the Supreme Court to lose to.

  254. johnnycantread says: Mar 5, 2016 8:54 PM

    I wish Chet Wallaby would just man up and admit his wrongdoing.

  255. j huber says: Mar 6, 2016 1:01 AM

    It’s just amazing. It’s everybody else in the whole damn world is wrong, regardless, and the NE Cheaters fans are the only ones telling the truth. Actually, they have no factual actual knowledge of what happening in team management. You are merely spectators.

    When are you gonna face the facts? You are what you are, because of what you’ve done. And since your have been caught cheating in the past, it doen’t take rocket science to figure that your defense is pure BS.

    In legal terms this is called a legal precedent. Please look the term up in a legal dictionary.

  256. honda46 says: Mar 6, 2016 5:34 PM

    It doesn’t matter what team management said, thought, or did if the footballs pressure decreased naturally. Science isn’t BS. Even the NFL in the Wells Report acknowledged that the vast majority of the decrease in pressure was due to the temperature decrease. (Ideal Gas Law exists!) The fraction of a psi difference between the actual measurements and the theoretical pressure drop for a minority of the footballs was due to the rain softening the leather which allows the football to grow a little which lowers the pressure a little.
    The Patriots were caught cheating in the past due to incorrect camera placement. There was no NFL rule in effect when they admitted that they were filming in the same place that they had been filming the previous season. The “rule” that they broke was a NFL memo that came out at the beginning of that season revising the rule. The NFL rule against filming from that location didn’t get into the rulebook until a couple of months after this “rule breakage”. If you bothered to read up on the situation, you might already know this.
    You don’t have any factual knowledge about what caused the lower than NFL specification readings in the Colts game. If you do, get the information to the NFL. They are in court because they have no smoking gun. They have stated this in Berman’s courtroom. You’ve read headlines, but can’t be bothered to read the details of what’s going on in the courtrooms, labs, and NFL reports on this situation.
    Think I’m full of it? Look it up!

  257. j huber says: Mar 6, 2016 10:57 PM

    The NE cheater spectators BS never ends. And I know you attend all the team meetings, are on the management council, and even have breakfast once a week with Brady. Sometimes Belecheat, and/or Kraft call you in the middle of the night, and ask your opinion on some strategic decision. And I know you help develop and approve the weekly game plan and work your tail off deciding which players to draft. I’d be the first to agree that everything would come to a standstill if you were’t at each game. I got the picture. All NE spectators are full of BS.

  258. mmack66 says: Mar 7, 2016 3:55 PM

    j huber says:
    Mar 6, 2016 1:01 AM

    When are you gonna face the facts? You are what you are, because of what you’ve done. And since your have been caught cheating in the past, it doen’t take rocket science to figure that your defense is pure BS.
    ————————-

    They weren’t caught cheating in the past. They were caught filming from the wrong location.

    Now, of they had been caught using the film from that taping during the game, that would have been cheating.

    They didn’t, so they weren’t.

  259. Mo Pro Babble says: Mar 8, 2016 8:22 AM

    jamaltimore says:
    Mar 3, 2016 6:06 PM
    Who cares anymore the PATs run is over and so is tommy boys.

    Yeah, let us know how that works out. Apparently you care.

  260. dandeman19 says: Mar 10, 2016 1:56 PM

    ju huber no what we are is educated. Try it sometime

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