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Curran chimes in, says Brady’s lawyer “took it on the chin”

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Going in to Thursday’s federal appeals court hearing, the deck seemed to be stacked in favor of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, with two of the three judges appointed by Democratic presidents and thus philosophically inclined to align with labor interests over management rights. During the hearing, it didn’t go quite as smoothly for Brady’s camp.

Amid multiple accounts that the three judges went harder after Brady’s lawyer, Jeff Kessler, than they against the league’s lawyers, Tom Curran of CSN New England says bluntly that Kessler “took it on the chin.”

At one point, Judge Denny Chin said that the evidence of tampering with footballs was “compelling, if not overwhelming,” and that there was evidence to support the belief that Brady “knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it.” Chin, frankly, is right; the texts exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally suggest that something improper was happening generally, and Brady’s ill-advised evasiveness when testifying before Commissioner Roger Goodell could be construed as a superficial effort to conceal the possibility that Brady wanted the footballs to be below 12.5 PSI by declining to admit the obvious reality that Brady wanted the footballs to be inflated at the low end of the permissible spectrum.

The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.

Still, that nuance apparently was lost in the shuffle as Kessler found himself unexpectedly backed into a corner by a panel that should have been more inclined to rope-a-dope the league’s counsel. Per Ben Volin of the Boston Globe, Kessler at one point became “exasperated” over the fact that the judges were caught up in their interpretation of the facts in a proceeding that isn’t supposed to entail adjudication of what did and didn’t occur.

But even though cases resolved at the federal appeals level are supposed to hinge on how the law applies to the facts and not what the facts really are, judges need to believe that they are doing justice. If a judge believes that one side or the other behaved inappropriately in connection with the underlying events, that belief will shape the judge’s interpretation of the law.

For most cases being resolved on appeal, there’s no calculation or formula. The law is malleable, and good judges can find a way through the weeds to support whatever the judge wants to do. What the judge wants to do is influenced by what the judge believes should be done. Which makes it critical for every lawyer in every case to quickly and persuasively sell the folks in the black robes that their client wears a white hat.

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  1. key2heat says: Mar 3, 2016 8:47 PM

    4 games is coming.

  2. abninf says: Mar 3, 2016 8:50 PM

    with two of the three judges appointed by Democratic presidents and thus philosophically inclined to align with labor interests over management rights.
    ====================================

    Or perhaps they know he’s friends with Trump.

  3. mullman76 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:51 PM

    I can hear the patsy fans whimpering from the West Coast.

    Braying burros.

  4. mjdkid100 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:55 PM

    “The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.”

    End of story.

  5. usg1 says: Mar 3, 2016 8:57 PM

    I wonder what Pats fans will say about this report? Or if these judges ultimately rule in favor of the NFL? I can’t wait to see

  6. number4020115 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:01 PM

    So what we have are three judges who really don’t know the intimate details of the league’s effort to railroad Tom Brady. They appear to have taken in the sound bites and headlines, and will rule based on their preconceived notions. A one hour hearing? Really? They continually cut off Kessler when he tried to elaborate?
    I am holding out hope that they actually know more than they appear to know. Because they appear to know only what a completely uninformed casual observer might know.

  7. dukeearl says: Mar 3, 2016 9:02 PM

    mjdkid100 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:55 PM
    “The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.”

    End of story.
    *************************
    Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.

  8. truthfactory says: Mar 3, 2016 9:13 PM

    If the standard for “guilty” is 51% likely, and the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, then it’s a done deal.

    Sure “ideal gas law” COULD explain why the balls were deflated, but it doesn’t explain away all the other evidence.

    Also, there were 4 balls psi that were significantly BELOW the maximum estimated effects of the ideal gas law.

  9. ladyjet says: Mar 3, 2016 9:13 PM

    They were given months to study all the facts in the case. Much longer than the district judge. One of them stated they were surprised Goodell didn’t add more games on top of the 4 for destroying the phone. ruh-roh

  10. keltictim says: Mar 3, 2016 9:16 PM

    I could have sworn this was about the collective bargaining agreement, not about the balls. Berman, correctly, didn’t get into the specifics of the evidence, he focused on wether or not Roger Dodger overstepped. That’s what these 3 idiots were supposed to do as well. These clowns wanna be famous in my opinion, they could care less about Roger clearly over stepping.

  11. key2heat says: Mar 3, 2016 9:18 PM

    If the most LIBERAL judges in America “New York” say the evidence is overwhelming then Brady get ready to chill for 4 games.

  12. boyso3 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:18 PM

    dukeearl
    Mar 3, 2016, 9:02 PM EST
    mjdkid100 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:55 PM
    “The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.”

    End of story.
    *************************
    Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.

    That might just be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard when it comes to Deflategate. Please tell me that was sarcastic cause if not you really need a refund on your education. Embarrassing

  13. keltictim says: Mar 3, 2016 9:20 PM

    Actually Dukeearl you’re wrong. The Ideal Gas Law does not have anything to do with ideal conditions, it only states what will happen to gases under certain conditions. It can be applied to hot to cold, cold to hot, and so on. I guess your somehow smarter than all the physics scientists who have refuted the NFLs position. Why do you think the league won’t reveal the measurements they took this season? If im Kessler, i subpoena them.

  14. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Mar 3, 2016 9:22 PM

    The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.”
    ———————————————————-
    The Ideal Gas Law is not any kind of scientific “law.” It is a HYPOTHETICAL APPROXIMATION of how certain “ideal gases,” which the air in a football is not, MIGHT behave in a laboratory, which a football stadium is not.

    The NFL is satisfied that the so-called IGL is inapplicable to the obviously intentional deflation of footballs by Tom Brady’s henchmen, and they are right to do so. Please stop bringing this up because you saw some YouTube video, Florio.

  15. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Mar 3, 2016 9:24 PM

    boyso3 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:18 PM

    dukeearl
    Mar 3, 2016, 9:02 PM EST
    mjdkid100 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 8:55 PM
    “The real question regarding the league’s investigation is whether enough evidence was developed to show that tampering actually happened on January 18, 2015. The league believes there is, and the PSI readings coupled with a rudimentary understanding of the laws of science suggest there was not.”

    End of story.
    *************************
    Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.

    That might just be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard when it comes to Deflategate. Please tell me that was sarcastic cause if not you really need a refund on your education. Embarrassing
    ——————————————————
    He’s correct. You’re wrong.

  16. gints1017 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:27 PM

    Brady is guilty

  17. jag1959 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:28 PM

    dukeearl says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:02 PM
    Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.
    ____________________

    What absolute nonsense. The ‘ideal’ in ideal gas law speaks to an ideal gas not ideal conditions. In point of fact an ideal gas does not exist it is a hypothetical used to extrapolate Boyle’s law

    ideal gas law. noun.
    A physical law describing the relationship of the measurable properties of an ideal gas,

    ideal gas. noun.
    (Chemistry) a hypothetical gas which obeys Boyle’s law exactly at all temperatures and pressures, and which has internal energy that depends only upon the temperature. Measurements upon real gases are extrapolated to zero pressure to obtain results in agreement with theories relating to an ideal gas, esp in thermometry. Also called: perfect gas

  18. Teddy BH20's House of Noodles says: Mar 3, 2016 9:33 PM

    Everyone knows that it is beyond likely that not only did the Patriots cheat, but Brady knew about it. The only thing the Patsie fans have as their defense is some bogus holes they try to find while ignoring the text messages.

  19. corporatemediaprostitute says: Mar 3, 2016 9:44 PM

    Uhhhh… done.

  20. j0esixpack says: Mar 3, 2016 9:52 PM

    It’s embarrassing enough that the Comnissioner doesn’t believe in the laws of physics

    Now apparently some judges are about to rule that the laws of physics don’t apply to football

  21. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 9:52 PM

    “At one point, Judge Denny Chin said that the evidence of tampering with footballs was “compelling, if not overwhelming,” and that there was evidence to support the belief that Brady “knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it.” Chin, frankly, is right;”

    — except for the fact that the LAWS OF SCIENCE show that changes in the PSI during the AFCG were a result of the atmospheric conditions. Maybe if we could just get our hands on that cell phone and see if Brady was texting Mother Nature (or maybe Mr. Wizard), we could really nail his a-s.

  22. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 3, 2016 9:53 PM

    Oh c’mon, in the name of fairness, why doesn’t this article also mention the things Curran wrote about what the judges asked Clement, counsel for the NFL? It wasn’t as if they had a walk in the park, and the questions they were asked related more to the issues of Berman’s ruling…..which IS what this appeal is about.

  23. boytrin says: Mar 3, 2016 9:53 PM

    Can someone please explain why 3 of 4 colts balls was under the limit and why they only measured 4 please explain

  24. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:05 PM

    Funny how Pats fans keep quoting science and atmospheric conditions, yet ignore and still can’t explain ol Tommy immediately trying to contact ” The Deflator ” when he was under investigation, destroying his cell phone , or for that matter , still going along with the ridiculous story that ” The Deflator ” was called that because he was losing weight . These judges see what everyone outside of Boston sees and are not buying the bunk Tommy and his lawyer have been selling

  25. whatjusthapped says: Mar 3, 2016 10:10 PM

    The undisputed fact that the Patriots nicknamed one of the key employees “the Deflator” is beyond hilarious. The fact that the Patriots tried to explain that away by saying he wanted to lose weight is what convinced me that the Patriots were caught cheating again. The Patriots might be successful in convincing their own fan base that this is a plausible explanation, the rest of the football world is nowhere near that level of gullibility.

    Let’s face facts folks, the Patriots owe many of their Superbowls to Spygate and the one they won last year was not due to Spygate but it doesn’t mean they didn’t cheat in the post season, independent of whether it helped them or not.

  26. ReligionIsForIdiots says: Mar 3, 2016 10:14 PM

    It’s obvious he cheated. This organization didn’t win squat until they started cheating.

  27. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 10:14 PM

    tfarr45 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:05 PM
    Funny how Pats fans keep quoting science and atmospheric conditions, yet ignore and still can’t explain ol Tommy immediately trying to contact ” The Deflator ” when he was under investigation, destroying his cell phone , or for that matter , still going along with the ridiculous story that ” The Deflator ” was called that because he was losing weight .

    -tfarr45, perhaps you should read the Wells Report. According to that, Brady NEVER had contact (or texted) the “The Deflator.” The Delfator was McNally, a gameday employee… Brady texted John Jastremski, who was an actual Patriots employee and a person Brady actually knew. A basic understanding of FACTS would be helpful. Do me a favor and read the report.

  28. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM

    So the fact that it wasn’t ” The Deflator ” that Tommy tried to contact , but the other ball boy points to innocence. Ok . I got it . More bunk

  29. tajuara says: Mar 3, 2016 10:26 PM

    Sorry, but as much as you dislike the Pats or Brady this is total nonsense. Seems that the message the NFL and the media are trying to deliver is that the only way to succeed is by cheating.

  30. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:27 PM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:10 PM
    The undisputed fact that the Patriots nicknamed one of the key employees “the Deflator” is beyond hilarious

    ———-

    It’s hard to read any further than this in your comment. If you had read and understood the content of the Wells Report, you would know that the only person that ever called him the Deflator was the Deflator himself. That hardly constitutes an ‘undisputed fact’ that the Patriots gave him that nickname.

  31. ohand16 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:29 PM

    Tom Brady did NOTHING wrong

  32. ohand16 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:31 PM

    None of this matters anyway because Jimmy G is clearly the 2nd best QB in the AFC Least, after Brady.

  33. boyso3 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:31 PM

    tfarr45
    Mar 3, 2016, 10:05 PM EST
    Funny how Pats fans keep quoting science and atmospheric conditions, yet ignore and still can’t explain ol Tommy immediately trying to contact ” The Deflator ” when he was under investigation, destroying his cell phone , or for that matter , still going along with the ridiculous story that ” The Deflator ” was called that because he was losing weight . These judges see what everyone outside of Boston sees and are not buying the bunk Tommy and his lawyer have been selling

    I’m not ignoring any of that. The problem with it is that it is all circumstantial evidence which by definition alone means it’s open to interpretation and debate. And as usual you don’t have the facts right. Brady didn’t contact McNally, aka the Deflator”, he actually contacted Jastremski. Ironically this is this same thing Godell screwed up on layer in the case. Brady has said from day one that he and Jastremski discussed both the Deflategate accusations and the preparation of the Super Bowl balls. If you knew the facts you would know this cause when Goodell issued his arbitration ruling he lied and said that Brady never said anything about him and Jastremski discussing Deflategate. Then when the arbitration transcripts were released it was right there in black and white. I believed Brady said 5 times that they talked about this but still Goodell lied and told everyone that Brady never mentioned that. The reason you don’t remember that is cause that was when Goodell came out and made a big deal about the destroyed cell phone. As usual you idiots jumped all over that and completely missed the part about him lying. You all fell for it, hook, line and sinker. And about the cell phone, Wells specifically told Brady that he didn’t want or need his cell phone. So why would the lead investigator tell Brady he didn’t want his phone only to have Goodell then hold it against Brady. It’s simple actually. Goodell and the NFL asked for those arbitration transcripts to be sealed and they thought the judge would agree so they figured it didn’t matter if they lied. The never thought anyone would see the transcripts. And lastly, the Deflator text message was from May of 2014. 8 months before the AFC Championship game. If you remember correctly this entire saga began with the Jets game in October. That was the first time Brady ever mentioned PSI levels because the refs overinflated the balls and Brady told Jastremski to bring the rule book to the officials to make sure the ball were set properly. Why would Brady bring attention to this particular rule if they were then going to go ahead and break that rule. No one would ever purposely bring attention to themselves I they were breaking the rules. Phewwww that was a lot. So now I will wait to hear how you explain how the Patriots defied the laws of physics.

  34. lscottman3 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:35 PM

    To me the key line was uttered by the NFL attorney when he said that’s what they bargained for.

    That’s what this is all about, the commissioners powers under the CBA
    If the judges had any brains they would have delved into just how the nflpa has zero bargaining power against a one shop monopoly and the utter ridiculousness of saying they had any bargaining power

    As for poor Jeff Kessler can he not ask a simple question of what were the NFL results of random testing?

    New meaning to the phrase taking it on the Chin

  35. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 10:35 PM

    The “other ball boy” was actually an assistant equipment manager and employee of the team– there’s a difference. My point was that you clearly haven’t read the Wells report. Period.

  36. tonebones says: Mar 3, 2016 10:38 PM

    So what if Brady cheated. A lot of the greatest athletes of all time got caught cheating, and a lot that cheated, never officially got caught. You can’t deny that Brady is still among the greatest QBs of all time, Barry Bonds is one of the greatest baseball players and Roger Clemons is one of the best pitchers. All these guys didn’t just roll out of bed one day and were great. They outworked 99.9% of everyone else. I don’t understand the whole crucifying of great athletes. A lot of the crappy players cheat do. It’s just that nobody’s paying attention.

  37. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:39 PM

    So because he tried to contact another ball boy makes it ok, circumstantial , he did this when , just by coincidence , an investigation is going on , about , of all things , ball deflation. Pure coincidence . Then by coincidence , weeks after he was asked to produce his phone which would prove innocence , whoops ! ” I forgot to tell you weeks ago . I destroy all of my cell phones when I’m done with them . And by coincidence , I just destroyed the one you wanted a few days ago ” cmon man . Just stop it with the ” coincidence ” story .

  38. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 10:40 PM

    Equipment manager who handles of all things… Footballs ! Pure coincidence , I tell ya. Just stop

  39. slick50ks says: Mar 3, 2016 10:48 PM

    No, the law isn’t malleable. The ethics of some judges and lawyers are though.

  40. haughville says: Mar 3, 2016 10:50 PM

    Too bad for Tom that Perry Mason is not around anymore. He never lost a case!!

  41. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 10:58 PM

    tfarr45–

    I’m just going to clear this up for you since you obviously haven’t read the Wells Report:

    1. Brady had no contact with “The Deflator.”
    2. Brady did have contact with John Jastremski, (who was a team employee, unlike McNally) after the Jets game in regards to the condition of the footballs (Jastersmski stated the footballs measured 16psi after the game). Again, according to the Wells Report, Brady also had contact with Jastremski after the story broke, but according to his SWORN testimony, it was to see how he was doing and make sure he was okay given the circumstances.

    Again, I’m just stating this because your making false claims that show you haven’t read the report. I encourage you to do so.

    Also, given a little thing called SCIENCE… I’m curious as to just how many hundredths of a PSI you think McNally deflated those balls prior to the AFCG vs the Colts?

  42. rcali says: Mar 3, 2016 11:01 PM

    Uh oh, sounds like this judge is actually using the old noggin.

  43. fanofpft says: Mar 3, 2016 11:01 PM

    “Chin, frankly, is right; the texts exchanged by John Jastremski and Jim McNally suggest that something improper was happening generally, and Brady’s ill-advised evasiveness”

    Reverting back to your report that a QB who has been in the league from the year 2000 has no idea what the PSI for a football is made me chuckle all over again.

  44. fanofpft says: Mar 3, 2016 11:04 PM

    ^ Also his SWORN testimony FWTW

  45. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:06 PM

    Hey goodellisaclown , those 3 judges have had months to read the Wells report . They don’t agree with your assessment or your hurt feelings about Tom Brady . You’re now saying you know more than them . They obviously don’t buy what Tommy , his lawyer or the Patriots organization has tried to sell . Go read that report

  46. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Mar 3, 2016 11:06 PM

    tfarr45 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:40 PM

    Equipment manager who handles of all things… Footballs ! Pure coincidence , I tell ya. Just stop
    ——————-

    “As fully explained to the investigators, there were several readily understandable reasons for increased communications between Mr. Brady and Mr. Jastremski in the days following the AFC Championship Game.

    First, the media frenzy over deflated footballs started the day after the AFC Championship Game. Mr. Brady is used to the limelight and to critics; Mr. Jastremski is not. Since Mr. Jastremski prepared the footballs, it was reasonable to expect that this media attention would focus on him. It was also reasonable to expect that (as happened) Mr. Jastremski’s boss would question Mr. Jastremski to see what, if anything, he knew. Mr. Brady’s reaching out to Mr. Jastremski to see how he was holding up in these circumstances is not only understandable, but commendable.
    Second, the team had just won the AFC Championship and was headed to the Super Bowl. Footballs needed to be prepared for the Super Bowl. Since this was Mr. Jastremski’s first Super Bowl experience since assuming the role as game football preparer, it is not surprising he and Mr. Brady spoke a lot about football preparation during the days after the AFC Championship Game. Issues that they needed to discuss included: how footballs would be prepared (there were several different ways used for preparation during the season, sometimes dependent on weather); how many more than the required number for the game should be prepared so that, as he always does, Mr. Brady could select game footballs from among a larger number of prepared footballs; when, if at all, would the footballs be available in Foxborough for practice; when were they to be sent to Arizona; when would they be available for use in practice in Arizona; etc. All of these discussion topics were triggered by winning the AFC Championship and needed to be dealt with in the days following that win.”

  47. VenerableAxiom says: Mar 3, 2016 11:10 PM

    “Per Ben Volin of the Boston Globe, Kessler at one point became “exasperated” over the fact that the judges were caught up in their interpretation of the facts in a proceeding that isn’t supposed to entail adjudication of what did and didn’t occur.”
    =====
    Neither was the previous judge. Legally, it’s about the commissioner’s power under the current CBA, regardless of whether or not it’s a fair decision.

  48. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 11:17 PM

    tfarr45 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:06 PM
    Hey goodellisaclown , those 3 judges have had months to read the Wells report . They don’t agree with your assessment or your hurt feelings about Tom Brady . You’re now saying you know more than them . They obviously don’t buy what Tommy , his lawyer or the Patriots organization has tried to sell . Go read that report
    ——

    Ummm… how do you know those three judges don’t agree? They haven’t ruled. Read a book for me just one time, okay bro? (Knowledge is power)

    Also, just so we have this straight, Kessler is the NFLPA lawyer… not Brady’s, nor the Patriots. I mean, it’s obvious facts aren’t critical for you, but I kind of find them important (call me old fashioned, I guess).

  49. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:22 PM

    Goodellisaclown can you read ? We’re all here commenting on a story about what these 3 judges had to say regarding ” Brady’s Lawyer ” . That’s what is the title of this article . And you keep asking me to read the Wells Report and you can’t even read the title of this article here . Sheesh !

  50. TheBrownsareClowns says: Mar 3, 2016 11:25 PM

    It appears these corrupt judges are being paid off by the NFL

  51. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 11:28 PM

    tfarr45 says:
    Mar 3, 2016 11:22 PM
    Goodellisaclown can you read ? We’re all here commenting on a story about what these 3 judges had to say regarding ” Brady’s Lawyer ” . That’s what is the title of this article . And you keep asking me to read the Wells Report and you can’t even read the title of this article here . Sheesh !
    ____

    Oh, sorry. I think it’s just because I have a full grasp of the entire story and you don’t. But once again, before making statements about “The Deflator,” etc. (who wasn’t mentioned in “the title of this article,” I’d suggest actually reading the Wells Report. No pressure. (No pun intended)

  52. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:33 PM

    I have a full grasp on the title of this story because I can look at the title and read this story and you obviously still can’t . Try it. It’s right in front of you and you’ve actually been commenting on it . Wow.

  53. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 11:37 PM

    Thanks for playing.

    You’ve gone from making claims about what Brady did and who he contacted to arguing about the title of the article.

    Again, clearly you don’t have a grasp of the story, nor the facts.

  54. tfarr45 says: Mar 3, 2016 11:44 PM

    Maybe Tommy needs to hire you as his lawyer . After all , YOURE THE EXPERT ! I just thought I was commenting on this story right here . Wookaaayyyy…. Sorry your honor , sir .

  55. arktikman says: Mar 3, 2016 11:45 PM

    When this whole deflategate thing first came up Vincent said it was going to be wrapped up in 2-3 days. So why did it blow up? Probably because Brady turned into Bones from the Fugitive when the Marshalls asked him an innocuous question. Then the smoke got worse and Brady failed miserably in his public statements. Couple that with Brady’s lobbying of the League to allow each QB to prepare their own footballs and you have reasonable motive or implied intent.

    Then the other owners started pressuring Goodell because it appeared that there may have been a history of deflating balls based on the information provided by the ball boys. Then Brady destroys his cell phone.

    Based on what most people know that has been made available I think a reasonable man would think Brady knew what was going on and was complicit. If it was a “beyond reasonable doubt” test then of course he would be not guilty. However, there is enough smoke there where most people would say C’mon man. You knew what was going on here.

  56. goodellisaclown says: Mar 3, 2016 11:56 PM

    tfarr45
    6 minutes1tlewis
    Maybe Tommy needs to hire you as his lawyer . After all , YOURE THE EXPERT ! I just thought I was commenting on this story right here . Wookaaayyyy…. Sorry your honor , sir .

    Actually, I’ve never claimed to be an expert. I just tried to correct the misinformation that you interjected into he comment section. Again, if you were familiar with the Wells Report, you’d see that your initial comments were off base, as I (and others) have pointed out.

  57. gaffya says: Mar 3, 2016 11:59 PM

    Guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt just like 99.9 % of the population already knew.

  58. getyourownname says: Mar 4, 2016 12:06 AM

    As far as the labor orientation of Democrat appointed judges, I doubt they normally are inclined to reflexively think of multi-millionaires as the kind of labor they are supposedly oriented to protecting.

  59. maverick2560 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:19 AM

    Kessler became exsperated over the Judges interpretation of evidence is in of itself and interesting comment.
    The league’s central argument is that the appellate courts should not
    examine the facts. The league simply wants the courts to acknowledge that Commissioner Goodell via the CBA has the final say.This means
    that unless Goodell ” abused his discretion ” his finding should not
    be overturned.
    The league is arguing that Judge Berman abused his discretion
    by going beyond the threshold issue as to whether Goodell has absolute authority to decide the facts.
    In many labor issues the courts have ruled that where two
    sophisticated parties have agreed to a dispute resolution procedure
    the courts should not get involved.
    So when Judge Berman went beyond the central issue and examined the league’s underlying problems…like not examining the
    data in a inconsistent manner ( remember the official s had two psi
    measurement tools that were not calibrated ).
    Or when the arbitrator issued his ruling and suspension citing a
    clause in the CBA as support for the suspension only to have
    Goodell cite a provision in the players contract as support for his
    reason for suspension. ( amazing that with all the Wall Street lawyers
    acting as the league advisors ..how they screwed up ). These are examples of how what Judge Berman looked too.
    So in closing the fact that Keesler was challenged on facts is in
    of itself a good sign for Brady. If the court was narrowly looking at the
    case as the league wants, facts have no relevance.

  60. mzew233 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:24 AM

    Shouldn’t have fake-punted to Philadelphia Bill, or kicked 1/2 FGs in range instead of going for 4th.

    You forgot what your QB was up against. And what this year meant. A 5th ring with 4 games next year is a whole lot better than — a missed appearance, 4 game suspension and a questionable chance at a #1 seed.

  61. rutledge3197 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:37 AM

    Football was so much better before Brady
    and social media …. Sad we can’t get rid of both – the game was so much better before any of this nonsense…..

  62. pats14 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:41 AM

    You expected something else from 3 lifelong NY residents? Chin probably has a Namath T shirt under his robe.

  63. rpahl13 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:55 AM

    dukeearl said
    “Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.”

    Wrong. The ‘ideal’ in ideal gas law refers to 2 conditions;

    Under 10 atm
    Twice the gas’s critical temperature.

    If those 2 conditions are met, the ideal gas law CAN be used accurately.

    The footballs were under 2 atm, so that’s met.
    Twice air’s critical temperature, converted from absolute, is about 16F, and the game only got as low as 48F, so that is met.

    Therefore, the ideal gas law DOES apply, and you, do NOT know what you’re talking about.

    Math aside, multiple scientists have done experiments exonerating the Patriots.
    HeadSmart Labs
    John Leonard
    Mide Technology
    Michael Naughton
    FLIR Systems

    There is NO ONE supporting Wells’ scientific conclusion.

  64. rpahl13 says: Mar 4, 2016 1:02 AM

    “whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 3, 2016 10:10 PM

    The undisputed fact that the Patriots nicknamed one of the key employees “the Deflator” is beyond hilarious.”
    —————

    The Patriots did not nickname him that.
    He referred to himself as that, once, in the middle of the offseason, in a conversation that had nothing to do with football. Your association of that text with football deflation is an example of confirmation bias.

    There’s another text McNally sent Jastremski, “deflate and give somebody that jacket”
    which obviously demonstrates a different meaning for the word between them.

    About Brady’s phone…
    Wells told him “Keep the phone.” “I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report.”
    He did not consider the phone important.
    Brady’s lawyers told him it would never be used in an investigation. There was no reason not to destroy it.

    There are no texts that mention tampering occurring, or being requested.
    There are no texts that mention Brady preferring footballs outside the legal range.
    If I were Brady’s lawyer, I would annihilate the NFL on this, because the case against Brady is pathetic.

  65. truthinesshurts says: Mar 4, 2016 1:06 AM

    osiris33 & dukeearl…your science knowledge (i.e your alternative interpretation of the Ideal Gas Law) tells me you aren’t rocket scientists…so now I’m wondering if you’re the same person, cuz Lord in Heaven how scary is it that TWO of you are walking around out there as free men. Is your name Kensil by any chance ?

  66. paulnoga says: Mar 4, 2016 1:07 AM

    Kessler and the NFLPA are to blame. The NFL council, Clement, was an elite Appellate lawyer, who knew the Judges from past cases. He probably played golf with them. Kessler is a bottom feeder, who had no business in the Appellate court. The NFLPA tried to do it “on the cheap” and insulted the Appellate Court by stuffing Appellate lawyers for Kessler. The meaning: Don’t go to “Discount Lawyer.com”

  67. randygnyc says: Mar 4, 2016 1:28 AM

    After all this, if Brady’s found guilty, he should be banned for life and be fined in the 10’s of millions of dollars

  68. bullcharger says: Mar 4, 2016 1:42 AM

    When the judge says they think there is overwhelming evidence in a case like this, which Berman thought there was basically no evidence there is something wrong with the legal system one way or the other.

  69. bullcharger says: Mar 4, 2016 2:24 AM

    The idea that an appeal could completely ignore the original judge’s decision is something unbelievable to me. Looks possible but that makes no sense to me from a legal process perspective.

  70. cupofjoe1962 says: Mar 4, 2016 6:35 AM

    They suspend Brady for 4 games & Garappalo plays & the Patriots go 4-0.
    The Patriots trade Garappalo after the season for a 1st round pick.

  71. amaf21 says: Mar 4, 2016 6:43 AM

    6 -8 games minimum suspension for Brady. $1 million fines for Brady and Bellichalk. $5 mill for Kraft for obstructing this investigation at the highest level and soiling the sanctity of the game.

  72. j0esixpack says: Mar 4, 2016 6:58 AM

    So if Brady deflated the footballs who reinflated them before they were tested?

    Because if this judge is smart he knows that the laws of physics had the footballs back where they were supposed to be after a half a game in the cold

  73. spitfisher says: Mar 4, 2016 7:01 AM

    those that are gleefully awaiting the 4 game suspension, don’t hold your breath this can be dragged out even further for at least another year…..not by brady-although he won’t mind but by the CBA

    this is far from over, why the NFL didn’t plea an agreement months ago are to blame.

    Those that say brady cheated, where, what and when does any evidence show that brady deflated footballs?
    Whats that? Does the cat have your tongue?

  74. cwwgk says: Mar 4, 2016 7:15 AM

    Apparently, only those who understand the significance of spoliation of evidence can also understand the significance of Brady’s actions during the investigation. In real courtrooms–rather than television and websites–the law instructs judges and juries that they can infer guilt if a party destroys evidence.

    And for all those debating about the propriety of the phone’s destruction for privacy reasons, the law is sensitive to that issue as well. Efforts, however, need to be made to narrow the scope of the requested information (such as only turning over texts from the phone relating to the investigation instead of the phone itself, which is all Goodell ultimately wanted). Courts frequently agree that entities such as the NFL can’t go on fishing expeditions and enter orders protecting the privacy rights of parties such as Brady. But if a party takes matters into their own hands by destroying the evidence, the law does not suffer them lightly.
    Hence the inference of their guilt.

    There is no question that Brady had every right, from a constitutional and privacy perspective, to obliterate his phone. This is a civil–not criminal–matter and the league is not the government. But with that action comes consequences from his employer. It’s a basic employer-employee relationship problem: discipline will result from the failure to cooperate. Thus, the suspension.

    The passage below, from the article linked in PFT’s post, identifies that it was the destruction of the phone that moved the case from the amount of air in footballs to legitimate sanctions imposed by the league:

    “Judge Barrington D. Parker said the cellphone-destruction issue raised the stakes ‘from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened.’

    ‘An adjudicator looking at these facts, it seems to me, might conclude that the cellphone had incriminating information on it and that, in the teeth of an investigation, it was deliberately destroyed,’ Parker said. ‘So why couldn’t the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?’

    ‘With all due respect, Mr. Brady’s explanation of that made no sense whatsoever,” Parker said.'”

  75. kamthechancellor says: Mar 4, 2016 7:23 AM

    I’ve used the Ideal Gas Law in college. It has nothing to do with weather conditions being “ideal” or experiments in a laboratory. It’s a mathematical formula that describes the relationship between temperature and pressure. Temperature goes up (heat is added) pressure goes up…temp goes down (heat is lost) pressure goes down. This happens all the time everywhere. I mean, you can’t even dispute it. What happened is that the equipment guys took pressure out to get them where Brady liked them, and then the cold took them the rest of the way below the 12.5 minimum. I agree with Pats fans all the way to this point. What happened next is that the Colts had a problem and ratted you guys out. The balls were underinflated. And the Patriots did what they do best besides play great football: circled the wagons, denied everything, refused to cooperate, called in the lawyers, and made a complete sham of the entire situation. The text messages are ridiculous. No sane person reads those texts and thinks that everything is on the up and up. An obvious and coordinated attempt at cover up is being made. I think the Ideal Gas Law exonerates Brady, but his actions and the actions of that organization are telling and damning.

  76. fireroger says: Mar 4, 2016 8:07 AM

    dukeearl says:
    Mar 3, 2016 9:02 PM
    *************************
    Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.
    =================
    This has been addressed a hundred times already. In short, you’re wrong. You can absolutely use the IGL. There is another variable you add into the equation to account for the supposed “non-ideal” factors. The only reason this argument keeps coming up is because people only understand the IGL at a superficial level.

  77. sidepull says: Mar 4, 2016 8:58 AM

    I am so sick of this case. A few puffs of air and twenty million or so just so Goddell can save face. Its not whose right or wrong in this case its about who has the biggest stick and that would be the NFL. As much as I cannot STAND Goodell, he is not going to quit until his lynch mob hangs Brady.

    The NFL, I am sure could have found a needy charity to donate twenty million or so and done some good. But no they want to ruin the game by trying to suspend Brady the GOAT for some bs witchunt. If you believe hes guilty you already drank the kool aid. If you think this case dragging on forever is entertaining, you should get a life.

  78. pappageorgio says: Mar 4, 2016 9:00 AM

    “Kessler found himself unexpectedly backed into a corner by a panel that should have been more inclined to rope-a-dope the league’s counsel.”

    __________________________________

    You mean thery’re not showing the bias that you are in this case? And it’s good to see the judges hit them over the head with the text messages…..no matter how this publication (is a web site a publication?) chose to marginalize that evidence, it is important, and clearly shows something shady was going on.

    This is one of those times when Lawyers (Like Mike) choose to harp on the science of air pressure, as some kind of shell game to distract from more empirical evidence that seems to suggest there was definitely something shady going on.

    Pats fans, journalists, and arm-chair lawyers can all point to technicalities and (underdeveloped) science…….but any sensical non-biased person can plainly see there was something shady going on. I think the judges wanted to hammer that point home.

  79. usg1 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:05 AM

    It’s always fun watching Pats fans scramble and try to refute everything being said about the Pats. I knew this would be entertaining. Although, I am a little disappointed because there aren’t as many as usual. I wonder if some of them are a little deflated.

  80. xinellum says: Mar 4, 2016 9:19 AM

    The last judge should have also restricted his decision to whether or not the CBA allows Goodell the authority to punish players at his discretion for acts that “tarnish the shield” when in reality, he did the same thing that these judges are doing. He tried to rule on the guilt or innocence of Brady when this case has nothing to do with PSI, footballs, tampering or anything else, it has to do with the CBA and whether Goodell had the authority to suspend Brady for 4 games based on the CBA. AND based on the CBA, Goodell does have that authority and Brady will end up suspended for four games as he should have been last year if not for a judge who should have been recused.

  81. xinellum says: Mar 4, 2016 9:29 AM

    Those that say brady cheated, where, what and when does any evidence show that brady deflated footballs?
    Whats that? Does the cat have your tongue?

    No cat here. The ruling has to do with whether or not in Goodells opinion, under the CBA, he felt there was sufficient evidence to suspend Brady. You can spout off gas laws and question the facts but the ruling has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the CBA. The CBA allows Goodell to punish players and the commissioner has had this ability since the first CBA in 1968. This is nothing new but it is to fans who don’t have any understanding of the case or the CBA so the are talking out their rear ends pretending they are lawyers, scientists and the NFL commissioner.

  82. randomguy9999 says: Mar 4, 2016 9:52 AM

    back to non Pats fanboy reality:

    regardless of the ‘laws of science’, there was an active conspiracy to change the inflation pressures of footballs… many texts allude to it and Brady having the gall to claim he destroys his cellphones every so often, and happening to do so the day before an interview by the NFL is very strong circumstantial evidence to the conspiracy and the Appellate court investigated that issue directly

    any way you cut it… Pats employees worked to satisfy Brady’s publicly stated preference for illegally inflated footballs, then covered up any evidence that the could find

    it is just the last in a long line of cheating behaviour by the Pats… get ready, because the Appellate court is going to call it out as it is: cheating

    The Pats had a practice of making footballs to Brady’s liking and he has said that in public…. 4 games was light

  83. davemc617 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:01 AM

    “Actually totally incorrect. I am not sure why people keep bringing up the “ideal gas law”. The ideal gas law requires “ideal” conditions. Those did not exist, so the ideal gas law does not apply and cannot be used to predict the pressure of the footballs in question.”

    I’m sorry, but you’re talking out your bum; you’re totally ignorant on the subject, but because of the anonymity associated with the internet, you feel comfortable presenting yourself as some kind of authority on the topic. Have you taken ANY high level math or science course?

    I’m an Electrical Engineer, and while in college, took plenty of them. All “ideal” means is that much of the convoluted mathematics associated with the law was substituted with their closest algebraic approximations. It makes the result less accurate, no doubt, but something to the order of .1-2%, tops. The result isn’t, as you assert, negligible. It’s perfect for its purpose: a quick, general approach to get the information you need. Now, if you’re writing a dissertation or publishing research for peer review, you would use what’s called the REAL gas law, in which no approximations are made for the gas.

    Example: operation amplifiers are nifty little “computer chips” that can be found in a myriad of devices. Because it uses differential inputs and a feedback loop to determine gain, the insides of the device are extremely complicated and capable of doing both integration and differentiation, among other things (I once made a very accurate lumen sensor using one), dependent upon how it’s setup. Noone in their right mind would use ANYTHING other than the ideal approximation of op-amps when designing a circuit using one. When doing so, certain properties of the device are assumed to be “perfect”; e.g., the open loop gain is infinite, the output experiences no noise, there is 0 input current etc. Altough none of this is “real”, it makes our work far easier, and the results our equations yield while making such approximations are still totally valid. The miniscule tradeoff in accuracy (while still being functional) for time and effort saved is worth it.

    That’s the difference between “real” and “ideal”…. not what you imahine. Why would we even bother making an ideal approximation if it wasn’t even applicable to the real world? It makes no sense…

  84. davemc617 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:10 AM

    “regardless of the ‘laws of science’, there was an active conspiracy to change the inflation pressures of footballs…”

    Regardless of the existence (or lack thereof) of a ‘dead body’, there was obviously a murder that took place….

    Seriously dude; if the science isn’t sound, there’s no proof there was any deliberate deflation. If there was no deliberate deflation, how can there be a conspiracy in place to deliberately deflate? It makes NO SENSE.

  85. davemc617 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:20 AM

    “no matter how this publication (is a web site a publication?) chose to marginalize that evidence, it is important, and clearly shows something shady was going on.”

    Alright, for the sake of argument, i’ll concede that “something shady was going on” (even though the timing and circumstances of the texts completely explain any “shadiness”).

    But then, where is the evidence that leads to you logically conclude that they were definitely illegally deflating footballs, especially when evidence indicates that, a handful of weeks prior, Brady was (now) infamously upset about ball being OVERinflated to 16 PSI?

    How could that happen if they already had a conspiracy in place to take the footballs, after the check by league officials, and illegally deflate them below spec in the bathroom. HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN?

    Maybe the shadiness was that they were complaining about Tom Brady… who is kind of a big deal in Foxboro.

  86. petedutcherjr says: Mar 4, 2016 10:55 AM

    That whole thing was the dumbest ordeal I ever heard. I’m not a Pats fan…but I really don’t care about the footballs being deflated ever so slightly.

    I would have cared if he found a was to “over inflate” opponents footballs but that didn’t happen.

    A big deal out of nothing. Fans and media jump on it because they hate the Pats.

    I don’t hate them…I just follow another team.

  87. mmack66 says: Mar 4, 2016 10:59 AM

    randomguy9999 says:
    Mar 4, 2016 9:52 AM

    any way you cut it… Pats employees worked to satisfy Brady’s publicly stated preference for illegally inflated footballs, then covered up any evidence that the could find

    it is just the last in a long line of cheating behaviour by the Pats… get ready, because the Appellate court is going to call it out as it is: cheating

    The Pats had a practice of making footballs to Brady’s liking and he has said that in public…. 4 games was light
    —————————

    Do you have a source for Brady’s publicly stated preference for illegally inflated footballs?

    If they covered up any evidence, how does anyone know it took place?

    You should know by now that all quarterbacks have guys that prepare footballs to their liking.

  88. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Mar 4, 2016 11:19 AM

    Deflategate revenge tour backfired when Brady and McDaniels choked in Denver. Brady should have accepted the league’s penalty and moved on. Now we are about to relive this nightmare, what a mess.

  89. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Mar 4, 2016 11:24 AM

    “truthinesshurts says:

    osiris33 & dukeearl…your science knowledge (i.e your alternative interpretation of the Ideal Gas Law) tells me you aren’t rocket scientists…so now I’m wondering if you’re the same person, cuz Lord in Heaven how scary is it that TWO of you are walking around out there as free men. Is your name Kensil by any chance ?
    ———————————————————-
    I promise you my science knowledge is superior to yours. I’m the author of 6 books on space, astronomy, physics and science. I’m probably on your TV right now. Here is how Wikipedia describes the Ideal Gas “Law”…

    “The ideal gas law is the equation of state of a HYPOTHETICAL ideal gas. It is a good APPROXIMATION to the behavior of many gases under many conditions, although it has several LIMITATIONS.”

    You do know what the words HYPOTHETICAL, APPROXIMATION, and LIMITATIONS mean, right? It means the misnamed IGL isn’t any kind of scientific law.

  90. collectordude says: Mar 4, 2016 11:38 AM

    Isn’t there enough armchair QB’s on here?
    Now we have armchair lawyers?

  91. cshearing says: Mar 4, 2016 11:48 AM

    “The law is malleable, and good judges can find a way through the weeds to support whatever the judge wants to do. ”

    Justice, everyone.

  92. jaxon51 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:01 PM

    #compelling if not overwhelming
    #knew about it,consented to it,encouraged it
    #ill advised evasiveness
    #exasperated

    Pretty funny. Brady getting booed as SB MVPs were being celebrated at his SB 50 revenge tour site-ing sums up how he is percieved in NFL fans eyes, outside of NE.

    I don’t care if he plays 12 or 16 games next year, his tarnished legacy has been cemented since Roger destroyed those Spygate tapes in Foxboro and that’s good enough for me.
    Now before you give me a thumbs down let me add that GoodellMustGo😊😊
    He has handled both these incidents with destroyed evidence so poorly. What a chump- conviently Brady will take a beating for destroying his phone and Roger has got to be digging it.
    But Roger needed to take a beating for his role in destroying evidence but that ship sailed so he skates again.
    GoodellMustGo😊😊

  93. gimmeabruschi says: Mar 4, 2016 12:14 PM

    It looks like Katzmann is in the bag for Brady, Chin probably not. But Parker who many think will vote with Chin threw some pretty devastating salvos at the NFL that are not being emphasized nearly enough. His statement regarding Goodell outlandishly appointing himself arbitrator and exceeding the findings of Wells does not bode well for the league. His comments on the level of punishment should also concern the league.

    I think they will vote 2-1 to deny the league’s appeal.

  94. excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says: Mar 4, 2016 12:17 PM

    The ideal gas law debate is ridiculous.

    The judges are taking the position that the league should have, that this was happening for a long time (the texts) and Brady obstructed the process. So did the Pats not allowing another talk with the guy. They see all the evidence and dont care (and why should anyone) about the ball pressure readings for 1 game.

  95. boyso3 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:34 PM

    tfarr45
    Mar 3, 2016, 10:39 PM EST
    So because he tried to contact another ball boy makes it ok, circumstantial , he did this when , just by coincidence , an investigation is going on , about , of all things , ball deflation. Pure coincidence . Then by coincidence , weeks after he was asked to produce his phone which would prove innocence , whoops ! ” I forgot to tell you weeks ago . I destroy all of my cell phones when I’m done with them . And by coincidence , I just destroyed the one you wanted a few days ago ” cmon man . Just stop it with the ” coincidence ” story .

    That’s a great comment only I NEVER used the word coincidence. I think you’re confusing it with the word circumstantial. Look we can go back and forth when it comes to the circumstantial evidence because that’s exactly what circumstantial evidence is, open to interpretation. But now I’ve answered your questions so please go ahead and answer mine. If the Pats did cheat why didn’t it show when they measured the balls. It’s been proven over and over again that the balls were not tampered with according to scientific analysis. So how do you explain this. To me, if the Pats did cheat, like you seem to think, then it should have shown up in the science. Since day one this entire fiasco was always gonna come down to the science and the PSI levels and when that Mortenson report came out the first thing I thought was that they cheated. I knew the balls would lose a little air pressure because of the temperature but when that report came out that they were 2 pounds under the first thing I thought was that they cheated. And as a Pats fan I was really disappointed and I was even starting to question my loyalty to the team but when we found out what the real numbers were and how the loss in pressure is explained by the Ideal Gas Law I realized that Pats never tampered with the balls. This all comes down to the science and that fact that people don’t understand that is mind boggling to say the least. The science is not debatable while all the other evidence is. That’s why I believe they didn’t cheat.

  96. davemc617 says: Mar 4, 2016 12:36 PM

    “They see all the evidence and dont care (and why should anyone) about the ball pressure readings for 1 game.”

    And there you go; from the horse’s mouth himself. Pats haters couldn’t care less if there was actual cheating or not…

    “The judges are taking the position that the league should have, that this was happening for a long time (the texts) and Brady obstructed the process.”

    It was happening so long, that, weeks prior to the AFC championship game, against the Jets, the league’s officials over inflated the balls to 16 PSI. If, as you said, this has been happening for a long time, how was that possible?

    Shouldn’t their conspiracy, which you assert was already in place, have prevented that? How is that possible?

    “So did the Pats not allowing another talk with the guy.”

    They already talked to “the guy” (both McNally and Jastremski) a handful of times. Ted Wells himself interviewed them both for a couple of hours. The interview refusal you refer to came AFTER the first one, which was the only interview all parties agreed to.

    Further, at Goodell’s hearing, Goodell refused to submit either of them as witnesses. He did that; not the Pats or Brady.

  97. bbfe says: Mar 4, 2016 12:55 PM

    I hope Deflategate NEVER goes away. I allows both sides to keep getting their issue out. It is now a battle of wills that will never be resolved. I have not seen a single person switch sides on the issue… NOT ONE. Fun stuff.

  98. BradyIsTheGCOAT says: Mar 4, 2016 1:07 PM

    See you in week 5 TBCheat.

  99. xxbarklikeadogxx says: Mar 4, 2016 1:32 PM

    Can’t Tammy buy the Judges like he buys the refs??

  100. davemc617 says: Mar 4, 2016 5:16 PM

    “The ideal gas law is the equation of state of a HYPOTHETICAL ideal gas. It is a good APPROXIMATION to the behavior of many gases under many conditions, although it has several LIMITATIONS.”

    Please, without the aid of Wikipedia, use your wealth of scientific knowledge to explain why these limitations are inherent within this law, and how severe these limitations are.

    I aleady did earlier, using an operational amplifier as an example… you should read that comment.

    In the ideal gas law, what’s considered “ideal” is the gas, NOT THE LAW. The law is the same in both the ideal and real cases. The difference all boils down to the simple fact that if we were to use the real properties of the gas, and not the algebraic approximations, the math would be extremely convuluted for no real purpose other than to complicate things; we can assume an ideal gas and still return highly accurate results.

    I mean, you’re just simply wrong, and anyone with a legitimate background in science can clearly see that.

  101. frozenrope15 says: Mar 4, 2016 5:38 PM

    Pats fans are great! Do you guys honestly believe Brady is innocent? The guy destroys a MAJOR piece of evidence the night before he is going to turn it over and you still think he is innocent, you watched his bumbling press conferences prior to the super bowl that year. Did you really believe him then?

    Answer this question, if there was one text message that completely vindicated Brady on his phone do you think it would have been destroyed?

    We can only now wonder what was really on that phone, maybe conversations between him and the owner about how he is gonna pay him more on the side, who knows, point is no one knows now and he wants us to take him and the organization that cheated prior at their word! NO THANKS!

    Judging by how the majority of Pats fans (not all some are sane) reacted to the Peyton 20 year old story I would bet you would come to the logical conclusion your QB knowingly participated and try to cover or prevent evidence from being found.

  102. breadmeatcheese says: Mar 4, 2016 7:24 PM

    Where are the sad sacks saying their kid needs a new hero? rofl

  103. tfarr45 says: Mar 4, 2016 8:16 PM

    Who knew that when a game is played in Foxboro, you’re looking at a stadium full of scientists, professors, physics majors , and lawyers ? 😂

  104. limakey says: Mar 5, 2016 12:57 PM

    Brady has zero credibility and the judges made that clear. However, it would not shock me if does not get suspended. I am just happy that the judges made it clear the evidence was compelling about the ball tampering and Brady’s knowledge of it. And they addressed his destroying of the cell phone.

  105. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 5, 2016 4:04 PM

    the evidence … was “compelling, if not overwhelming”

    compelling = interesting (ok, maybe)
    not overwhelming = not great amount (quite obviously)

  106. dreadpirate88 says: Mar 5, 2016 7:52 PM

    LOL at Osiris, still pretending to be an engineer even after being thoroughly exposed and humiliated on several discussion threads. Name one of your alleged “six books”, sparky.

  107. tfarr45 says: Mar 5, 2016 8:52 PM

    Patriot Atmospheric / Physics / Law School . Come enroll and soon you to will be on message boards quoting Gas Laws , Physics , Scientific Studies and Law

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