Patriots trade Chandler Jones to Cardinals

AP

In the most surprising trade of the year so far, Chandler Jones is heading from New England to Arizona.

Jones has been traded from the Patriots to the Cardinals in exchange for guard Jonathan Cooper and a second-round draft pick, Adam Schefter and Dianna Russini of ESPN report.

The Cardinals believed heading into the offseason that their biggest need was a pass rusher, and now they have a very good one. This is the kind of trade that could put the Cardinals over the top and make them Super Bowl favorites.

But there are also risks: Jones is heading into the final year of his contract in 2016, and it’s possible that Jones will leave Arizona in free agency a year from now. The potential of Jones leaving in free agency is surely part of the Patriots’ calculation in making this trade.

Cooper was considered one of the best guard prospects ever when the Cardinals took him with the seventh overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft, but he’s struggled with injuries and generally been a disappointment. The Patriots must still think he has a lot of potential — perhaps more potential in the future than Jones, even though on first blush it would appear that the Cardinals got the better player in this deal.

145 responses to “Patriots trade Chandler Jones to Cardinals

  1. This is what happens in NE when you show up at a police station wasted and crying for your mommy.

    So, long Chandler. We’re gonna miss you.

  2. Belichick was NOT trying to pay this guy or franchise him…wow…these dudes are super cap conscious

  3. LogJam at dend. Not gonna be able to keep Hightower and collins toi. Shrewd move, but that’s a huge deal. Almost trading him cause they knew he wasn’t going to stay. Good luck, Chandler. He’s been a great teammate, k2 n everything!

  4. As much as I love the Pats, BB makes several crappy draft decisions….this was one of his good ones…and you trade him for a mid-tier guard? Awful awful awful trade. Jones is one of the 10 most impactful defensive players in the league. I’ve often wondered if Belichick wants a lion’s share of the credit for his defensive schemes; if you look he typically doesn’t tolerate star defensive players for very long. Part of the reason he’s left a couple SB titles on the table that we could’ve had. Shame.

  5. This isn’t really a huge surprise. The biggest surprise is that it didn’t happen on draft day.

    It has been well documented that of the trio of Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, and Donte Hightower, that only 2 would be retained with contract extensions.

    Now factor in the contract that Olivier Vernon just got from the Giants, there was ZERO chance Jones would be resigned. Getting something for him now I think is a smart move. And it works out for both teams’ needs.

  6. Chandler Jones is a very good player, but he’s nowhere near as good as the rest of the league thinks he is. In his 4 years as a Patriot, he had 10+ sacks in only two of them, had some injury troubles, and his production always fell off greatly in the second half of seasons.

    Pats were gonna let him walk after this season anyway, might as well trade him now and get something for him.

  7. Earth to Trent Baalke, Earth to Trent Baalke. Free Agency has started and we DID NOT win the super bowl last year, what are you doing?

  8. Not completely shocking It was almost expected.. The incident with synthetic marijuana was a red flag, to say the least. And the interior of the o-line needed an upgrade. The final piece of the puzzle was the upcoming contracts with Hightower, Collins, and Butler. Jones will be looking for huge money at the end of the season. As a Pats fan – I’ll take the deal.
    Felt the same way when Richard Seymour and Logan Mankins got traded. It’s the business part of the NFL and unavoidable to consistently stay elite.

  9. No pats fan is happy about seeing chandler jones leave but he was leaving after this year regardless we wouldn’t be able to have kept him when he hit FA and this way we get 2 good players out of it and can use our multiple mid round picks to get 2 guys to compete. Thanks for the super bowl you earned it and I wish you the best but I belicheck isn’t usually on the bad end of a trade so I’m more worried about the drug incident then I was earlier.

  10. Surely be missed. Jones is awesome. But,,they needed to sign Hightower and Collins too. Werent getting all 3..plus they got a pick. We’ll see

  11. Great trade for the Miami Dolphins. Pats lose Jones, they acquire Cooper who will get abused by Suh, and Juwan James job just got a whole lot easier. Thanks Pats nation!

  12. Cardinals will continue to dominate that division full of mediocre QB play, now they have a pass rusher to pair will with that secondary. Good move for the cards.

    Not sure they will be favorites to come out of the NFC though, Lot’s of good teams. Panthers, Vikings, Packers, and the Cowboys, Giants, Falcons and Rams should all be better this year. But they will definitely in the mix.

  13. The Hoodie will make him an all-pro and he’ll benefit from blocking for the best ever, the Pats can go ahead and start working on ring designs for 51.

  14. 6allsohard6more ..I dont think they can trade past where they would be. 28..or whatever. Theres a clause in the deflategate BS where..they couldnt trade above 28. If they did..they forfeit it. Something along those lines.

  15. Swept under rug drug issues….. And the Patriots continue to show why they’re hated. Instead of getting the kid help, they ship him out like the trash and make it another team’s problem.

    Big time frauds at everything.

  16. Not surprised at all. Any Pats fan knew there was no way they would be able to sign C Jones in FA and the priority was to keep Hightower & Collins. Getting a 2nd and a former top 7 pick guard for the line was value for New England. I’m sure the Cards made the trade knowing they would be able to keep Jones either by franchise tag or new contract.

    This is a win/win for both teams as the Cards needed pass rush help and the Pats get another starting OL and a high pick this year.

    Don’t be surprised if the Pats sign Chris Long.

  17. Jones was invisible in the 2nd half of the season for the Pats. No big loss when the Pats don’t have to consider him when they try to re-up Hightower, Collins, and Butler. Additionally, Sheard has played far better.

  18. Wow,

    Don’t know what Belichek is thinking here.

    The market for Pass rushers has gone through the roof, why trade a young guy going into his prime for the 3rd to last pick in the second round?

  19. Jones fades after the mid point just about every year. Maybe he plays a full season with it being a contract year but the Pats wouldn’t sign him anyway with Hightower,Collins,Sheard,Ninkovich and Butler coming due. The fact they got anything with him preparing to walk is a win.

  20. One of the Pats defensive studs were not going to get paid and I guess they deemed Jones the most expendable. He actually did not do much the later part of the season and then had that weird marijuana episode. Now they will sign Hightower and Collins to big contracts. Look for a Chris Long signing soon. Not a great looking trade on the surface but they always are smart with the economics. Hard to argue with 5 straight AFC Championship appearances.

  21. Good trade for Pats. Weren’t going to resign Jones, you get a guard who they can coach up who has ton of potential. A 2nd Rd pick and $5m to spend. Jones was good but disappeared to frequently

  22. Jones was a good player but not great. Seemed to have his big games against weaker teams and disappeared in bigger games. Pats were not going to resign him so getting value at a position of relative strength is fine by me. As great a coach as BB is, his team building skills are unmatched. He knows when to max value and get out of dodge. You realize Cooper will become an All-Pro guard.

  23. Good pick up for Arizona assuming he signs an extension. A second rounder is doable since it addresses a need that the pick could have likely been used on.

    Downside is they already lost an o-lineman, but Cooper has pretty much been a bust.

  24. Last year this guy was the best there is according to Pats fans….now that he got traded …different story.

  25. Every Patriots fan has been talking about Jones getting traded for a long time. He disappeared in a lot of big games but has a great reputation in the league. Coming up on a big contract year too. Not a surprise at all. Exactly what Belichick does. Filled a spot of need and got a second round pick too. Jones isn’t worth much more than a second round pick on his own. Patriots got the better end of the trade by a long shot.

  26. I’m not sure how this can be presented as a losing deal for N.E. (it looks good for ARI too, to be sure). Clearly it figured Jones only had a year left in N.E., so it is giving up one year of Jones for a couple of years of a player who plays at a HUGE need spot for the team, and the late 2nd rounder absolutely should not be scoffed at, especially with the team already out its 1st round pick.

    Looks good on both ends…ARI can make a big run this season, and as always, N.E. is building with an eye both on this year and the future.

  27. 6allsohard6more says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:01 PM

    The Pats lose they best Defensive player but might use this 2nd pick to trade up in the draft.
    ==============================
    Best defensive player? He wasn’t even their best defensive lineman. He was outplayed by Sheard. And any coach would take Butler, Collins, Hightower, and Brown from the Pats D before Jones. The guy disappears for WEEKs at a time, and he never takes over a game. He is a good player, nothing close to a super star.

  28. accipiterq says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:02 PM
    As much as I love the Pats, BB makes several crappy draft decisions….this was one of his good ones…and you trade him for a mid-tier guard? Awful awful awful trade. Jones is one of the 10 most impactful defensive players in the league. I’ve often wondered if Belichick wants a lion’s share of the credit for his defensive schemes; if you look he typically doesn’t tolerate star defensive players for very long. Part of the reason he’s left a couple SB titles on the table that we could’ve had. Shame.
    ====================

    I couldn’t disagree more. When was the last time Chandler Jones made a game changing play when the Patriots defense needed it? (Ninkovich has made a career out of making those key plays, where Jones just doesn’t) That is my complaint on Jones. He rarely makes big plays, and he is often injured. I would rather have Sheard in that spot. Getting a second round pick for him is a win, considering he wasn’t going to be around once he hit free agency. Getting a second round pick plus a player, that’s a great deal. I would have considered it a good trade if they got a 3rd round pick for him. A top 10 defensive player in the league? Just on the Patriots he was less impactful than Hightower, Collins, Butler, McCourty, Ninko, Sheard, I think you get the point. Good player, but not great.

  29. Great trade for the Patriots.

    The Pats have Jamie Collins, Donte Hightower and Malcolm Butler all about to enter contract years. Those 3 player were correctly chosen as priorities over Chandler Jones.

    There is no way they could keep all 4 anyway. Jones was the odd man out, they were never going to even attempt to resign him anyway.

    So if your a Patriots fan would you rather get a 2nd round draft pick (which they desperately need) and a high potential reclamation project at Guard (also a need) OR let Chandler play one more year and walk away for a compensatory pick?

    I’d take the 2nd rounder and Cooper everyday. You have to look at this long term.

    Chandler is a 1 trick pony, who can rush the passer and not much else and he’s pretty streaky, he disappears for long stretches of games. Also, the tripping out shirtless at the police department probably didn’t help.

  30. There was no way Pats were gonna resign Hightower, Collins,Butler and Jones next year. Jones has been great at getting to the QB but not anywhere near as important to the defense as the other three. Jones has been a good player but is not consitantly great. Jabaal Sheard will start in place of Jones (he had a very good season last year as a rotational player for Jones.). This move frees up cap space and gives them depth on the oline while also gaining another pick to move around in the draft. Good trade for Cardinals short term, great trade for Pats long term.

  31. Chandler Jones is a notorious stat padder. Great in meaningless games. Good riddance, go take another 5 Adderall.

  32. Pats couldn’t keep Jones, Hightower and Collins. Hightower are (rightfully) the priority.

  33. Chandler Jones has always been Mr. September and injured or flamed out by November. This past season was a little better until he showed up at the Foxboro Police station barely clothed and wasted out of his mind during the playoffs. That he was selected All-Pro is laughable. He is very weak against the run and invariably bites for the first play-fake. Without Collins and Hightower drawing the offensive line’s attention away from him he will struggle. Cooper has far more upside and fills a void for the Pats in the OL depth chart. Pats are loaded with depth at the DE position, with two veterans who are studs and two 2nd year players who if healthy have the potential to be studs. Another great move by BB — and he gets a 2nd round draft pick too. This trade is an example of why the Pats have been in the SB or AFC Championship game virtually every year for over a decade.

  34. The biggest hole on the Cardinals team was pass rushing. To put it in perspective, their best pass rusher last year was a 36 year old player, Dwight Freeney. Their whole defense will change now, because the last couple of years they had to blitz over and over again because of the lack of pass rush. GREAT TRADE CARDINALS!!

  35. Dante S. will coach up Cooper to be a starter sooner than later and moving Jones frees up cap space to resign Collins and Hightower, plus maybe make room to bring in Chris Long.

  36. 6allsohard6more says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:01 PM
    The Pats lose they best Defensive player but might use this 2nd pick to trade up in the draft.

    ____________________________

    Best defensive player??? No they trade him to pay their 2 best defensive players, Hightower and Collins

  37. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Swept under rug drug issues….. And the Patriots continue to show why they’re hated. Instead of getting the kid help, they ship him out like the trash and make it another team’s problem.

    Big time frauds at everything.

    ———–
    1) it wasn’t swept under the rug at all, it was talked about for weeks.
    2) You have no information on what kind of support the Patriots provided. A) it’s medical and confidential and B) the Patriots respect that philosophy in everything that they do.
    3) They likely supported him, but weren’t going to keep him due to the contract demands and were smart to trade him–although I think that they could have gotten more for him.

  38. Win/win. Arizona gets their pass rusher NE gets the most they could reasonably expect to get for a guy they weren’t going to be able to keep anyway. Look back over BB’s history, an impact guy always goes a year early when his value is high rather than too late

  39. Jones is a very good, but not great, defensive end. He wil command a salary at year end that will far exceed the impact he has on a game. He certainly flashes at times, but he is too easily neutralized to be considered an elite player at his position. Hightower, Collins, and Butler are all far more important in the Pats scheme, and they will need to be paid next year. It’s also likely that Gronks deal will be addressed in the near term. Someone had to go, and in typical Patriots fashion, they maximized the value of an asset by leveraging him into a potentially important part of a rebuilt OL, and a high round draft pick. These types of deals are why New England is always in the conversation when discussing Super Bowl contenders.

  40. Sad to see him go, part of a great SB team, congrats.

    He is not a stud rusher like most think, and rarely needs to be double teamed. He does have a knack for strip sacks though.

    Richard Seymour in his prime was a guy you pay at end, he demanded and beat double teams a lot.

    Good luck Chandler. Lets hope Cooper can stay healthy and find the form that made him a first rounder.

  41. Hopefully NE gets fined for trading someone who is going to be suspeneded for conduct policy. Yep, as it should be.

  42. If it were player for player straight up, the Cardinals win that deal going away. Cooper has been a straight bust and to get anything for him, much less a good young player, is significant. Adding the Cards 2nd rounder to the pot though makes it pretty important that Chandler pans out for them.

    Hopefully both guys benefit from a change of scenery and can play up to their potential for their new teams.

  43. At least the Patriots get a draft pick back to balance out the one that Roger Goodell stole from them by punishing them without any evidence that they had done anything wrong, and for something the NFL had never cared about, except on 1 day in its history. I think this is also the Patriots’ way of giving the middle finger to Goodell.

  44. Arizona will never win a SB with Palmer at QB. That dude folds up in big games all the time. I wonder if he sent Sam Shields a nice present for dropping that game ending INT…

    GO PACK!

  45. accipiterq says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:02 PM
    As much as I love the Pats, BB makes several crappy draft decisions….this was one of his good ones…and you trade him for a mid-tier guard? Awful awful awful trade. Jones is one of the 10 most impactful defensive players in the league. I’ve often wondered if Belichick wants a lion’s share of the credit for his defensive schemes; if you look he typically doesn’t tolerate star defensive players for very long. Part of the reason he’s left a couple SB titles on the table that we could’ve had. Shame.

    ———–

    Jones was far from what you are saying. Go watch the film. As for Belichicks decisions being a shame, the Patriots have been to 2 superbowls and 5 AFC championships in a row. Not too shabby. I don’t think the 2011 game was lost because of bad trades.

  46. Was our best player in the Championship vs Denver. This is crazy, a top 5 pass rusher for J Cooper and a very late 2nd? I hate it when we soooo cheap!

  47. people keep calling cooper a quality guard, please remember. he started a LG, got injured, came back didn’t play well, cards signed LG iupati and moved cooper to RG. Ted Larsen who was cut by the bucs beat him out of the starting RG position half way through the season. a month ago cards said they were moving cooper to center.

    He has been a flat out bust through 3 seasons. doesn’t mean he wont turn into a good guard, but he hasn’t ever won a starting job yet.

  48. Wow. Cards could be tough, but don’t have linemen to protect Palmer and they just traded a low pick too.

    Might backfire

  49. Patriot fans analysis on this are hilarious, when he was tearing it up for the Pat’s, he was awesome!!!

    Now that he has been traded, oh he just was a stat filler, he wasn’t really that good.

  50. 205diamonds says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:23 PM
    patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Swept under rug drug issues….. And the Patriots continue to show why they’re hated. Instead of getting the kid help, they ship him out like the trash and make it another team’s problem.

    Big time frauds at everything.

    ———–
    1) it wasn’t swept under the rug at all, it was talked about for weeks.
    2) You have no information on what kind of support the Patriots provided. A) it’s medical and confidential and B) the Patriots respect that philosophy in everything that they do.
    3) They likely supported him, but weren’t going to keep him due to the contract demands and were smart to trade him–although I think that they could have gotten more for him.

    ——
    it was swept under the rug after a week, the NFL never made any comments on it….nadda

    it’s a violation which hasn’t been spoken of by the team (due to the impending playoff game)…nothing came of it since. Support? Yeah, the cops doctored up the report becasuse the COPD in Foxboro is the Director Security at 1 Espionage Place.

    yes, contract schantrek…..he’s a problem player and NE moved him out.

    End of story.

  51. this is NOT a surprise to Pats fans, sports radio have been predicting this all off-season. Good player, not great, and the incident at the police station was a worry to say the least

  52. I liked the kid,
    But the truth is after game 10 each of his prior seasons his play dropped off.

    We can’t sign 4 of our best….only 3 out of 4
    Butler
    Hightower
    Collins
    Jones

    So one of those had to go…. I list them in order of importance to our defense.

    With Dante Sarniccicha back as O-line coach I feel good that this cooper will be in good hands and can be saved or turned around.

    In this deal we saved 3 by cutting one…..got a real draft pick verses a compensatory pick and the cardinals got a rent a player for one year…oh and this years draft is loaded with DL men.

  53. I think I’d rather have Chandler Jones in a contract year and the eventual 3rd round compensatory pick… not devastated by this deal by any means though.

    It’s just that Jones is notorious for starting strong…. but flaming out towards the end of the season, and specifically, doing next to nothing in the playoffs.

    I feel like the payday coming up might have motivated him a bit more during another potential SB run. An impact edge rusher is kind of a big deal.

  54. Why do I think Mr. Jones will be making a lot of the trips northeast of the border to Colorado!

  55. This doesn’t really come as any surprise to Pats fans, it was the worst kept secret in the NFL that the Pats were going to look to trade him.

    The Patriots need a guard more than a DE, they need to protect Brady better. Apparently the Pats were massive on Cooper coming into the 2013 draft, his grades were off their charts.

    This draft has plenty of good pass rushers and I strongly believe that they want to keep hold of Sheard. Most sensible Pats fans would take The Cards 2nd rounder and a 1st round graded guard in exchange for Jones to be able to extend Sheard, Hightower, Collins and Butler.

    Jones was walking next season anyway and you know BB wasn’t letting him walk for nothing.

  56. Could regret this, but after seeing O Line last year anything is an upgrade.

    Don’t forget Scarnecchia is back now. One of the greatest line coaches ever, could help get Cooper to reach his potential

  57. The genius of Bill Belichick is exploiting every opportunity for the team’s best interest. Chandler Jones is a good player but he probably wants more than BB is prepared to pay in the future, therefore get what we can in a Draft pick now. Bill knows precisely what he is doing.
    A year from now, fans will acknowledge that BB was correct, again. Thx Arizona Cardinals.

  58. This is a bad sign for Vikings fans who want Andre Smith. He left MN yesterday to visit the Cardinals today. I wonder if they didnt make this trade knowing they already have Coopers replacement. Not a good sign for us.

  59. I’ll bet the Patriots put the bug in his ear they will pay him to come back after next season, A huge Tactical error for the Cardinals by not getting at lease a one or two year extension as part of the deal!
    Cards Smiling this year, crying next!

  60. beachsidejames says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:14 PM

    Last year this guy was the best there is according to Pats fans….now that he got traded …different story. —————————————————- Still doesn’t change the fact that Miami has scored a paltry 12 playoff points in two games over the last 15 years while the Patriots have 6 super bowl appearances and 4 championships in that same time period. Maybe that’s what is fogging up your goggles.

  61. That is why in the cap era it is very difficult to sustain wins. It really would have been nice if teams could keep good players, but it is what it is. The Pats have to pay Butler, Collins, and Donta. We were upset when he traded Mankins too but we just have to trust BB. The Pats were quiet then this. The Cards got a good bargain. BB must have an eye on somebody to want that second round pick this badly.

  62. If the defense takes a step back it means we are going to rely more on grandpa Brady to win games for us. I don’t like that at all. His 39 year old arm may fall off by playoffs time.

  63. Moves like this one are why BB dominates the NFL. There is ZERO chance the Pats would re sign Jones next year, they have several other pass rushers on their current roster, and will likely sign Chris Long, they are likely getting their starting left guard for 2016 with Cooper, they save $5 million on the salary cap, and they get an additional 2nd round pick this year. But the big thing is , for you people who are Patriot haters is that Jones was never consistent. He is not dominant. BB is brilliant.

  64. nomar8477 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:08 PM

    I dont think they can trade past where they would be. 28..or whatever. Theres a clause in the deflategate BS where..they couldnt trade above 28. If they did..they forfeit it. Something along those lines.

    ——–

    if I remember correctly, if they have multiple 1st round picks, they lose the lowest (earliest) one.

  65. Feeling a lot of feels right now, but I’ll say something positive. I’ve been watching Chandler Jones since Syracuse. He’s a phenomenal player, improved every year he was in the NFL, and is going to keep getting better.

    Arizona fans, you’re getting an incredible player. Anyone who says different was watching the wrong 95.

  66. Wow.

    The Patriot’s 2012, 13, and 14 drafts haven’t produced an exceptional amount of players who have made a huge impact on that team. How the freak do they keep going at such a high level?

  67. Arizona’s defense was already good. This move…wow. It’s a good move for the Patriots, though. I doubt they would have given Chandler a massive contract after this next season, and they get a good Guard and a high round pick as compensation rather than losing a player outright. Both teams win in this deal, I think.

  68. Love Jones, a big part of a SB championship team, but they weren’t keeping him next year at the expense of some combination of Collins, Hightower and Butler. Frustrating because we finally got that elusive stud pass rusher but need to keep the future in mind and again, he helped bring home another Lombardi.

    Good luck Cards, you’re getting a stud, hopefully he stays healthy. Are we getting anything in return with this Cooper guy or has he been as big a disappointment as this article implies?

  69. Jones (who was not coming back after next year) for Cooper + 2nd rounder?

    Yup. Cosign.

    🙂

  70. scmems07
    Mar 15, 2016 3:32 PM
    Patriot fans analysis on this are hilarious, when he was tearing it up for the Pat’s, he was awesome!!!

    Now that he has been traded, oh he just was a stat filler, he wasn’t really that good.
    _——-_————————————————————————-
    Most Pats fans appreciate Jones’s ability and the fact that he was a super player.

    But we understand the economics of the NFL and that this was a move the Pats had to make.

    Conversely though, Pats players are never that great until Bill Belichick trades or releases them. Then, amazingly enough, they morph into world beaters in the eyes of Pats haters.

    Funny that, eh!

  71. dsigrey says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:22 PM
    6allsohard6more says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:01 PM
    The Pats lose they best Defensive player but might use this 2nd pick to trade up in the draft.

    ____________________________

    Best defensive player??? No they trade him to pay their 2 best defensive players, Hightower and Collins

    Agreed, although you could also put Butler and McCourty up there as far as importance to the defense.

  72. So Seattle signs Sowell and looks like they are letting Okung go, and the Cards trade for Chandler Jones.

    On another note, people keep saying this year is great for pass rushers. Depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for an edge rusher/olb, it is NOT a good year in the draft, especially if you are drafting late in the first round.

    Cards did what they had to, and if they want to take a flyer on a kid who may or may not pan out, they still can. Hell they can still re-sign Freeney.

    But they needed a sure thing, and none of the pass rushers that were going to be available to the Cardinals are anything close to a sure thing.

  73. Guys, you do understand that in the Patriots system, individual numbers are almost meaningless, right? His numbers will go up a lot once he doesn’t have the additional responsibilities he had in the Pats system. We have seen this over and over again. Players in their prime that wouldn’t have signed get moved by the Patriots. He will get a bump next year, someone will overpay him, and he will be great… or not.

    I liked him as a player, and I’m sad he is leaving. But I know it is for the overall system that has kept us at the top year after year.

  74. I liked Jones, god player. That said, he was going to leave next year because the Pats wouldn’t pay him. They get a decent olineman, which was much needed, and a second rounder.

    Calculated risk.

  75. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Swept under rug drug issues….. And the Patriots continue to show why they’re hated. Instead of getting the kid help, they ship him out like the trash and make it another team’s problem.

    Big time frauds at everything.

    ———–
    1) it wasn’t swept under the rug at all, it was talked about for weeks.
    2) You have no information on what kind of support the Patriots provided. A) it’s medical and confidential and B) the Patriots respect that philosophy in everything that they do.
    3) They likely supported him, but weren’t going to keep him due to the contract demands and were smart to trade him–although I think that they could have gotten more for him.

    ——
    it was swept under the rug after a week, the NFL never made any comments on it….nadda

    it’s a violation which hasn’t been spoken of by the team (due to the impending playoff game)…nothing came of it since. Support? Yeah, the cops doctored up the report becasuse the COPD in Foxboro is the Director Security at 1 Espionage Place.

    yes, contract schantrek…..he’s a problem player and NE moved him out.

    End of story.

    ——-

    Try to understand, it was not swept under the rug by the Patriots, they made their comments publicly and then shut up about it. This is their typical MO, in almost any circumstance. The NFL PR machine is not under the Patriots control (obviously).

    As I said, the support would not have been public, also in the Patriot’s opinion, that’s their business not yours.

    The other consistent thing about the Patriots is that the team comes first. If a player’s contract would be more than the player’s worth, they move on. The drug use is likely one contributing factor in CJ not being worth the risk of a big contract.

    Now that is the end of the story.

  76. And a second round pick! Kind of leaving that out, no? Jones was headed out of town since they were going to prioritize Hightower and Collins anyway. Great move Bill!

    Also, thanks Chandler for several great years and best of luck in Zona.

  77. trollaikman8 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 4:03 PM
    “Nobody loves second round picks as much as Belichick.”

    And he strikes out with almost every one of them.
    ——————————————————————-

    Like Jamie Collins and Rob Gronkowski right? lol

  78. The hoodie never loses a trade.

    Chandler must be declining rapidly for Bill to make such a shrewd move while Cooper is one of the best guards in the league.

    Chandler will miss out on a second ring.

  79. Florio will herald this as a great move. Guy makes the pro bowl gets traded as his position is heavy in this years draft to save $. While castigating the Fins for letting 3 players leave that garnered 160M$.

    “Best guard” Lol read RW above.

  80. Seprix says:
    Mar 15, 2016 4:58 PM

    Now that the cardinals have a great pass rusher, they can now get a QB in the draft. Loving this move.
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    “Great”? Eh….I wouldn’t go that far.

    🙂

  81. Good player but always fades at end of year. But since he’s a pass rusher will get overpaid by someone. Pats need to sign Hightower, Collins and Malcom Butler so this is not a surprise.

  82. rcosborne59 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 5:10 PM

    Good player but always fades at end of year. But since he’s a pass rusher will get overpaid by someone. Pats need to sign Hightower, Collins and Malcom Butler so this is not a surprise.
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    As if Hightower, Collins and Malcom Butler wouldn’t know their own market values by then.

  83. If you are a Cardinal’s fan you are LOVING this deal. You give up an under performing asset and a pick in the 60’s for a very good player at a position of great need.

    If you are a Pats fan, (like me), you are “liking” this deal. You are losing a very good player at a position where you have some depth, and gain a very talented but flawed “prospect” at a position of need, plus a pick in the 60’s.

    Right now AZ is the initial winner in this trade, but if Cooper improve his play to become a starting G for the Pats, then the deal becomes more balanced. Cooper is the key. Most experts thought he was worth a top 10 pick. Clearly he hasn’t lived up to the hype. Unfulfilled talent makes this worth the risk.

    Its been made clear by many posters, that next year the Pats are going to have to pay a lot of important players including Jones, and we all know in the NFL, you can’t pay everyone. BB is the expert in understanding the concept of a “year too early, rather than a year too late”.

    Here’s hoping as a Pats fan that I will grow from “liking” this deal to loving it. Congrats to Cardinal fans, they are getting a quality player plus a very good locker room guy.

  84. crush22 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:25 PM

    Patsies*
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    Hummm…Just checked NFL.com. Don’t see any **** next to anything Patriots related.

    Just your fantasy. Dismissed…

  85. That is pick #61.

    Jones was a top 10 value 5 years ago that a lot of teams misdiagnosed and left him to slide over 11 spots. So that’s a lot of value the Patriots handed over for pick #61 and a guy with ‘potential’ that has shown almost nothing. That doesn’t make it a bad trade, because NE had no chance of keeping him long term without losing other key players (and with his recent misstep, it kinda made sense).

    There’s a fairly sizable difference between a top 40 pick and a bottom of the second round pick. A team might trade a future first for a top 40 pick. Not for pick #61. You’ll probably get a future second and a late 3rd or early 4th at best. (still good) And let’s not forget what Bill Belichick likes to draft in the late second: Tavon Wilson… Jordan Richards… Not exactly Chandler Jones.

    Both teams get a great deal, even without Johnathan Cooper.

  86. “Great trade for the Miami Dolphins”

    Fins fans, same sort of comments for the last 20 years have barely sniffed the playoffs but once, the year Brady was injured.

    I know I know, all you have is winning the off season because you know very well the Fins will be the doormat of the AFCE again next year.

    lolz

  87. skunkb3ar says:
    Mar 15, 2016 4:57 PM
    trollaikman8 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 4:03 PM
    “Nobody loves second round picks as much as Belichick.”

    And he strikes out with almost every one of them.
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    Like Jamie Collins and Rob Gronkowski right? lol

    I am going to double down on your LOL, and include Deion Branch (former Super Bowl MVP), Matt Light (3 Super Bowl Rings), Shane Vereen, Patrick Chung, Sebastian Vollmer and Eugene Wilson (2 Super Bowl Rings) as Belichick 2nd round picks who have won one or more Super Bowl Rings while with the Pats and made significant contributions to the Greatest NFL Dynasty the NFL has ever known, and will ever know.

    That is 8 2nd round picks by Belichick that have won one or more Super Bowl Rings while playing for the Pats. There are actually others that have made lesser contributions.

    Go ahead people, show me a team that has had more 2nd round picks help win Super Bowl rings for the team that originally drafted them, in a 15 year period.

    I give you Bill Belichick, Greatest NFL Head Coach of All-Time, Greatest NFL General Manager of All-Time.

  88. To those of you saying that Belichick will coach this guy up to be an All-Pro I hate to tell but you are sadly mistaken.

    That’s Dante Scarnechia’s job! So glad to see him come back from retirement.

  89. Every Patriots fan has been talking about Jones getting traded for a long time. He disappeared in a lot of big games but has a great reputation in the league. Coming up on a big contract year too. Not a surprise at all. Exactly what Belichick does. Filled a spot of need and got a second round pick too. Jones isn’t worth much more than a second round pick on his own. Patriots got the better end of the trade by a long sho

    no, no its not by a long shot. It may turn out that way, but lets be honest. Arizona knows what it is getting in Jones and the Pats are getting a guy who sure, he was a top ten pick but also lost his starting job. One is a premium position, the other, not so much. He has had a lot of struggles develping an offense line in recent years, so I would not assume that he will coach this guy up to be better than Jones at his respective decision. Also, He has quite a few misses n the draft ( all teams do, so I am not being critical), but Pats fans want to pretend that it does not happen, so the 2nd round pick is all based on potential, that is out of his control.

    It is a good trade for both teams, as of right now, could change later, but to say NE won this by a long shot is absolutely a joke and you know it.

  90. Pats also opened up 5.5 million in cap space this season, which is part of the equation.

    You know who’s gonna get rich now, btw? Jabaal Sheard. He is a monster complete DE and he is going to have a huge season. He led all 4-3 DE in QB pressures per rush last year and he’s a top 3 run-stuffing DE on top of that.

  91. “As if Hightower, Collins and Malcom Butler wouldn’t know their own market values by then.”

    Butler gets a first round tender at 4 million next year, meaning if someone signs him, Pats have a chance to match or receive that team’s first-round pick. If not, he sticks around for 4 million.

    Pats have leverage with Butler and should be able to work something out.

  92. plum54 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 3:11 PM
    In Bill we trust!
    Does Denver have a QB yet??
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    Doesn’t matter! Broncos have your number anyway! Wether it’s plummer, kanell, orton, osweiler, etc, etc!

  93. As a Syracuse fan and a Pats hater, I’m neutral on CJ. He was a better prospect than he has been a pro. Pats fans swore he was/is the best thing since sliced bread, but I witnessed his whodini act too many times. He needs to learn how to bring it every down, but given the character issues in the Jones family he’ll be done in about 3 yrs or less.

  94. hahaicansezbelicheat says:
    Mar 15, 2016 6:52 PM
    “As if Hightower, Collins and Malcom Butler wouldn’t know their own market values by then.”

    Butler gets a first round tender at 4 million next year, meaning if someone signs him, Pats have a chance to match or receive that team’s first-round pick. If not, he sticks around for 4 million.

    Pats have leverage with Butler and should be able to work something out.

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    1st Round tender of 4 Mil for a CB next year??? LOL Thats a good one!!!

  95. jetfan74 says:
    Mar 15, 2016 7:06 PM
    As a Syracuse fan and a Pats hater, I’m neutral on CJ. He was a better prospect than he has been a pro. Pats fans swore he was/is the best thing since sliced bread….He needs to learn how to bring it every down, but given the character issues in the Jones family he’ll be done in about 3 yrs or less.

    Yes, jetfan, we can tell you are neutral (LOL).

    No Pats fan on this board, other than fake Pats fans like tbisgod, ever swore Chandler Jones was the best thing since sliced bread. He is a good football player, and seems to be a good guy in spite of his brain fart last year, but he does not show up every week.

    Dont’a Hightower shows up every week.
    Jamie Collins shows up every week.
    Malcolm Butler shows up every week.

    They all make mistakes, but they show up.

    We like Chandler Jones, but we knew he was the one of those four who is the most expendable. Hopefully the Pats can extend the other three…we will see.

  96. The Cardinals probably would have traded Jonathan Cooper for a bag of plain potato chips if possible…gawd, he was awful! He had all the tools but none of the guts to recover from his injury, but none of the mental toughness to deal with mistakes or failures! I hope BB can cuddle him enough to get over his time in AZ for the trade to make sense. He’s got one year left on his rookie deal.

  97. Hope you enjoy paying him 12-14 mil per, Arizona. Thanks for another 2nd rd pick in a draft where a 2nd rder is like a 1st rder.

    Eat it, Goody. You’re a liar and loser.

    BB certainly wasn’t going to handicap himself moving forward.

    Watch the master work, people. Watch the master at work.

    Greatest GM ever as well as greatest coach.

  98. For those who say they don’t understand the trade, understand that Bill Belichick does not put a premium on pass rushers. Sacks, while nice, are not a stat that BB cares about, or should I say, he does not put a premium on that stat. In reading the tea leaves, he got more for Jones now ( a 2nd round pick and a former top 10 pick at a position of need) than he would have received if Jones walked in free agency (a compensatory 3rd). Better a year early than a year late. On top of that, he needs to think about not only Collins and Hightower, but Malcolm Butler, who is also up after next year. He can’t sign these three and Jones. ANd every news outlet up here knew that Jones was the odd man out of those four. This is a good trade for BOTH teams. A rarity in any sport.

  99. Cooper might not even make the team. The Cards got a nice pass rusher, and the Pats got a second round pick. This draft is loaded, but they have to make a good pick.

  100. Considering the way the Seahawks beetch slapped them at home last time they played I’d expect some desperation.

    Of course it won’t matter, especially when Carson Paper gets hurt again.

  101. I heard Ted Thompson offered a protected 7th round pick for chandler with New England only receiving the pick if it fell in the last 10 spots of the 7th round..

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