Ty Law: Belichick’s personnel approach has cost Patriots championships

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It’s hard to argue with Patriots coach Bill Belichick’s longstanding philosophy of getting rid of good veteran players while they still have some trade value. After all, Belichick has won four Super Bowls in New England.

But former Patriots cornerback Ty Law says that the Patriots would have won more than four Super Bowls if Belichick weren’t so quick to get rid of good players.

Law said in a 2014 interview that ESPN aired today that Belichick is too quick to get rid of veteran team leaders, and as a result, the Patriots have lost some playoff games that they could have won with another good player or two.

“I think it has cost them championships. I think they let go of too many guys who can rally the troops and win Super Bowls,” Law said.

Law won three Super Bowl rings with the Patriots before Belichick cut him in a salary-cap move. The Patriots then went nine years without winning a Super Bowl. Would the Patriots have won another title if Law had stayed in New England for another few years? More recently, would the Patriots’ offensive line have been good enough to withstand the Broncos’ pass rush in this year’s AFC Championship Game if Belichick hadn’t traded away Logan Mankins a year earlier? Might the Patriots have five or six or seven Vince Lombardi Trophies if Belichick had held onto his best veteran players a little longer?

No one can say for sure, but Belichick’s track record is pretty good. If history is any guide, we’re likely to look back on this week’s Chandler Jones trade as an indication that Belichick is smart about knowing when to move on from a player.

But it’s possible that Law is right, and the 2016 Patriots will be one good pass rusher away from a Super Bowl — and Belichick just traded a good pass rusher away.

159 responses to “Ty Law: Belichick’s personnel approach has cost Patriots championships

  1. I still remember the playoff game that Law had more receptions for Manning (3) than Marvin Harrison. It was after that that Polian cried to the league to change the rules so that defenders could not longer play tight coverage.

  2. Or an oft injured one… Captain hindsight is pretty useless here, Belichick knows a thing or two about football, let the man continue his legacy, asterisked or not

  3. It’s hard to argue with success but there are clear moves that could be made that would probably make the team better than it would be otherwise. Drafting a first round or signing a high end talented WR could certainly help the offense in my view. Such isn’t Belichick’s M.O. for whatever reason.

  4. Chandler Jones was found half naked at a police station out of his mind, doped up at the end of last season.

    That chicken has not yet come to roost.

    Arizona is taking a shot and gave up on a dud OL (more about injuries it seems, but whatever).

    Bill is moving on before he has to deal with suspensions, press questions, allegations, etc.

  5. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think Law is onto something here. I also think that Belichick sacrificed a couple of ‘all in’ seasons for the sake of long term success and consistency.

    So he gave up on a couple players knowing he could get caught with his pants down in terms of losing guys for no return and starting the downward cycle of relying on free agency.

    Just my thought.

  6. There may have been years when they could have won, and had parted with someone who could have put them over the top. However, it’s this disciplined approach that has kept them competitive for a decade and a half. Championships are the ultimate goal, but realistically, you just want to field a team that’s in the conversation year in and year out.

  7. It’s a fair argument on it’s face, but when you start to consider the salary cap implications it gets less logical. Would the 2005-2006 Patriots have been better with a 31 and 32 year old Ty Law? Maybe, but the contract given to him may have hindered their ability acquire Moss and Welker a year later.

    The fact is that the price of the Patriots’ success is players can command big money for performances on the big stage. Belichick chooses long term flexibility over the short term. So perhaps the patriots would have been better in certain single seasons if they weren’t as long-term focused, but I guarantee that approach is unlikely to have allowed 13 straight double-digit win seasons which aside from Brady, is in large part due to having a solid middle-class roster vs a top heavy one bogged down by big contracts.

  8. If the Bulls had a decent coach during the Scottie Pippen era they would not have let the Rockets interrupt their championship streak.

  9. I dont like Patriots but Belichicks way works the Patriots have been one of the top teams in the league for forever now and they always have a shot to win it all. I wish my team could have a coach like him.

  10. Some players and their agents probably cost themselves some rings by selling themselves to the highest bidder as well. Now they have 120 mil instead of 100. Those players are probably happy where they are. I’ll bet the Pats and Brady, with their philosophy, are happy where they are too

  11. … before Belichick cut him in a salary-cap move.

    And there it is. We love you Ty…always will, but please stop. It’s not like BB made his decision based on talent alone — the salary cap, as its designed to do, dictates more often than not who stays and who goes.

    And nobody is better at BB at that …

  12. Belichick may be the greatest coach of all time, but he is not the greatest GM of all time. There’s a difference.

  13. We could “what if” all day about this, the Giant’s helmet catch, any coach, any player or any team.

    The bottom line is that decisions are made and we live with them. Sometimes decisions are right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes have a lesson to teach. Just like life…

  14. He’s taken the team to the last five AFC championship games. I’d say he knows what he’s doing when it comes to personnel moves on the roster. You can’t win the Super Bowl every year; its next to impossible to do. Belichick has put together a ridiculous run with this team. Kind of stupid for Ty Law to criticize him when he’s had such success. Belichick has had to make some tough decisions on players in the past and not all of them have worked out, but he knows what is right for the team

  15. He’s right on some level, but as the post says, Law was cut as a salary cap casualty. Who, as well as how many players would have had to have been cut to keep a guy like Law on the roster?

    those personnel moves have allowed the patriots to contend every year as well, where even the other upper echelon teams typically have a few down years/rebuilding mixed in.

  16. He is obviously 1 step ahead of everybody. He just saw Oliver Vernon get like 80 million. Which means chandler jones number would have been astronomical and ended up walking away from the pats with no compensation. He read the market, acted on it and recieved compensation. It’s smart business, everyone is replaceable. And for the record I am a dolphin fan

  17. Obviously conjecture and can’t know for sure, but I think Ty Law is right. NE certainly deserves a ton of credit for their successful run under BB but maybe they could have won more titles with better personnel moves.

    As far as the media is concerned, especially east coast ESPN, BB walks on water and everything he does is divinely inspired. That schtick gets a little old. Just like Madden’s man crush on Favre.

    Chandler Jones went from All Pro in the media to a bum overnight just b/c BB traded him.

  18. That would have to assume that the one player cut or traded would have remained healthy through the Super Bowl, and that the player(s) Belichick was able to get by means of salary cap room and/or draft pick(s) had no meaningful contribution to the team.

    Who can confirm for sure that the Patriots would have made it as far as they did in future seasons if they hadn’t made those moves when they did.

    It is an apples to oranges comparison and is an exercise in futility.

  19. I think these are fair takes. The Patriots were hurt by a lack of depth last season. They nearly put the AFC title game into overtime but the Broncos would have won in the extra session anyway. They always won close games in 2016, sans the Raiders and Colts games but Belichick makes mistakes, just like other mortals.

  20. We love Ty Law, but lost in the myth of Belichick the salary cap ogre is the fact that history vindicated his decision to cut Law, and Lawyer Milloy, and a handful of other beloved players. Law and Milloy both had 1 single monster season after leaving New England only to sharply decline with age and injuries.

    Could things have been different with the X factor guys like Law, Milloy and Richard Seymour still around? Maybe. As a fan of a team with 4 rings this century while plenty of other teams can’t even get out of their own division’s basement, I try to be thankful for accomplishments and not hypotheticals.

  21. Yes but he’s ignoring the long term value of those trades that then pays off for years to come. That approach combined with Tom Brady has yielded a team that has been consistently competitive for 15 years, which is incredibly rare. As a fan that is preferable to making one more championship run then flaming out for the next couple of seasons in my opinion.

    Even as a Bill’s fan I have to respect Belichick’s moves. There are always desperate teams out there who think stuffing a 30 year old player into their system is a magical solution. Might as well take advantage of their desperation if you’re holding all of the cards.

  22. Love Law and he is not 100% wrong. A couple moves here or there could have put them over the top but at what expense? Does a ring in 2012 end up hurting them from ’13 through ’15?

  23. Six appearances and 4 titles in 14 years… The guy has been to 40% of the last 15 Super Bowls, won more than 25% of them, and has been knocking on the door of a couple more along the way. In case Mr. Law doesn’t know every coach and player will tell you just winning a single playoff game is hard as hell, so even if he didn’t cut some of those players there’s absolutely no guarantee it would’ve resulted in more rings. However I’d say his current accolades more than validate his approach at this point.

  24. For a second there I thought I read that an ex-Pats player was complaining that the team didn’t win enough titles…

    I guess it’s good for all of us that this guy didn’t play for the Raiders, I’d hate to think what he’d have to say about that.

  25. I loved Ty as a player and he’ll always be one of my favorite all-time Patriots. But on this one he’s way off base. What BB has done has avoided the flash-in-the-pan motif of GM’ing. Look at the small fortunes the Cowboys and Eagles and Redskins have spent on loading up their rosters for one or 2 solid runs. What has this gotten them? They’ve committed financial suicide for many years just to have a shot now. This doesn’t work in today’s NFL and nobody, absolutely nobody else can say their team has a legitimate shot at winning a championship every year for 15 + years – except for one!

  26. NE plays in the AFC Championship game 75% of the time….who’s doing it better? And remember…winners have two problems that most teams don’t have…1) Good players 2) with winning on their resume ….and that equals big pay days ….usually by desperate teams hoping the Patriot Way will somehow spill over into their locker room.
    More than anything, the NFL is a league of attrition and Belichick believes in quality depth who will be playing in games late in the year. While other teams fade because of injury, NE endures.
    Again….who does it better?
    PS…Ty Law was jettisoned because his added weight plus age slowed him down and the talent wasn’t worth the $$$ at the end of his career. How many rings does Law have after his NE run? We know he got his coin though?
    PSS….Law even admits he shouldn’t have chased the money on his post-Pats wasteland tour.

  27. I don’t think the Patriots would have on any more Super Bowls by keeping players like Milloy, Seymour, Law and Mankins an extra year, because doing so would have reduced valuable draft picks acquired in the trades and financially hamstrung the team, reducing the likelihood of a division win and chance of postseason success.

    In all likelihood, if Gronkowski was fully fit in 2011/12 and 2012/13, they would have won at least one more Super Bowl – the high ankle sprain/hip injury in Super Bowl XLVI made him a passenger rather than an effective weapon. They probably would have been the Broncos in 2013 if he was on the field (absent with a torn ACL/MCL), and the same with the loss to the Ravens in the 2012 season when Gronkowski fractured his forearm the week before against the Texans.

  28. And yet, the Patriots are still going to win the AFC East again next season. I know it, you know it, Ty Law knows it and the Dolphins, Jets and Bills sure as heck know it.

  29. Getting a talented young O lineman like Cooper AND a 2nd round draft pick for a basket case like Jones was highway robbery. I’m sure the Pats know more about Chandler than they’re making public.

  30. justintuckrule says:
    Mar 16, 2016 4:35 PM
    If the Pats didn’t luck out with Brady, they’d be the Browns all these years.

    BB laid the foundation for the team that became the Ravens.

    And if I remember correctly the last time the Browns made the playoffs and won a playoff game BB was the coach.

  31. Without Bill’s proven system/personnel moves they would have exactly zero rings. Twisted logic from a salty ex-player.

    Dude needs to look at his ring HAND before casting stones.

  32. themanfromtheblacklodge says:
    Mar 16, 2016 4:44 PM
    I don’t think the Patriots would have on any more Super Bowls by keeping players like Milloy, Seymour, Law and Mankins an extra year, because doing so would have reduced valuable draft picks acquired in the trades and financially hamstrung the team, reducing the likelihood of a division win and chance of postseason success.

    In all likelihood, if Gronkowski was fully fit in 2011/12 and 2012/13, they would have won at least one more Super Bowl – the high ankle sprain/hip injury in Super Bowl XLVI made him a passenger rather than an effective weapon. They probably would have been the Broncos in 2013 if he was on the field (absent with a torn ACL/MCL), and the same with the loss to the Ravens in the 2012 season when Gronkowski fractured his forearm the week before against the Texans.
    —-

    Can’t use that logic, otherwise you’d have to give the Seahawks the last Super Bowl the Pats won, as they didn’t make a move in that game until the entire secondary was decimated with injury.

  33. Lets see;

    Of all the personal moves the only one that stands out as iffy is the Logan Mankins trade. Wright didn’t pan out and jury’s still out on Trey Flowers (2015 4th rounder).

  34. They’re two fluke catches away from having 6, not just 4. And I guess on the other side a disputed goal line play call giving them 4 instead of 3.

    What are the rest of our hapless franchises doing? (note my handle)

    All things equal, you get 2 superbowl appearances every 32 years, winning one and losing one. Better than that, like it or not, you’re on the right side of the curve, and like it or not, the Pats are way on the right side of the curve.

  35. bradjamesbroncositaly says:
    Mar 16, 2016 4:43 PM
    The Patriots have been consistently competitive for 15 years because the AFC East has always been a weak division in that span.

    And in that same span the AFC south has been weaker. Why haven’t the Colts won more championships?

    And the Patriots have the exact same win % outside the division wich says a lot since they play more games outside the division.

  36. Ty Law makes some good points and this is the approach that many teams take. We may have won some more champioships. But how many years would we have had losing seasons in between carrying aging player contracts. I would much rather have a chance at success every single year. I long the longview approach personally.

  37. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Bill the Coach, with excellent coaching and an ability to get the most out of his players, has made up for the mistakes of Bill the GM. It goes beyond the free agent strategy — Bill the GM hasn’t really done all that great a job in the draft.

  38. .
    The Patriots philosophy is not to win a Super Bowl or two before fading into oblivion. The Patriots have done exactly what Bob Kraft said he wanted to do when bought the team. That is to be competitive and in the hunt every year. In order to maintain that position, you have to be a salary cap hawk. Sometimes that involves moving productive players for the overall long term good of the franchise.
    .

  39. They were a few plays away from beating Colts in 06, wouldve won SB. Beating Giants in 07 and 11, in legendary losses. But they were a few plays from losing SB’s they won.

    So, it evens out. BB is incredible.

  40. 4 rings speak volumes. How many other coaches and current managements can say that. I’m not a patriots fan but it sounds like a bitter player who can’t stand the fact he doesn’t matter anymore

  41. Might be slightly butt hurt when he got dropped by the Patriots and felt he got pushed out too early.

    The flip side of the argument is indefinitely holding onto your players because they are on your team. Who is to say that getting rid of Wes Welker didn’t get them Malcolm Butler? If Law ever makes a successful transition into the front office, maybe this will hold more weight.

  42. i am pretty certain, could be wrong, that there has never been a Patriots pro Bowler who Bill let go who went on to be a Pro Bowler on their new team. I think Bill knows what he is doing. Also, they got rid of Mankins in August of 2014 and then went on to win the SB

  43. I think his decision not to kick field goals cost him a title. Against the best defense and against the worst starting qb in football you take points at all times. Three times three equals nine and a trip to the Superbowl!

  44. It’s hard to criticize a guy with 6 SB but nobody is perfect. Occasionally Belichick has got rid of a guy 1 or 2seasons early but rarely has he kept a guy 1-2 seasons too long.

  45. To the fools on here saying the Patriots lack of depth has cost them over the years and last year, wake up. The reason the Patriots are the most consistent team in the league is because of their depth. They are able to overcome so many injuries because if this. They’d rather spend money on the middle and bottom of roster and throw money at over priced free agents. They had years when they’ve been on their 4th center for gosh sakes. Law was a great player. The Patriots have been and remain the best run organization in American sports.

  46. New England has a chance EVERY year unlike the feast or famine teams that go all in for a couple years then implode under the salary cap. Look at Baltimore or Pitt….Look at the perennial preseason champions who spend like drunken sailors….with nothing but cap hell to show for their spending.

  47. He’s right. Keeping all the old guys in 02 made the team miss the playoffs one of 3 times since Bill has been here.

    Sure there may be an argument on a couple of players –like Ty Law, and Dion Branch, but the only season I ever felt like it was because of people leaving on the cheap cost the Pats was 06.

  48. Why are some teams who routinely pay big bucks for players not as successful as the Patriots?
    BB has his nose buried in bargain bins for players yet his team is always a contender every year.

  49. I think it’s a pretty stupid point on the surface. The Pats have been to six super bowls that could gave gone either way and won 4 over BBs tenure and 9 AFC Championship games on top of that. Do they have that kind of consistency if they weren’t moving on from players before their value dropped or they walked for nothing in return? I doubt it. Fan or not, objectively no team has done a better job strategically managing the cap and acquiring draft assets than the Pats during Belichick’s tenure, and it’s not even close.

  50. ipdaily69 says:
    Mar 16, 2016 4:44 PM
    NE plays in the AFC Championship game 75% of the time….who’s doing it better? And remember…winners have two problems that most teams don’t have…1) Good players 2) with winning on their resume ….and that equals big pay days ….usually by desperate teams hoping the Patriot Way will somehow spill over into their locker room.
    More than anything, the NFL is a league of attrition and Belichick believes in quality depth who will be playing in games late in the year. While other teams fade because of injury, NE endures.
    Again….who does it better?
    PS…Ty Law was jettisoned because his added weight plus age slowed him down and the talent wasn’t worth the $$$ at the end of his career. How many rings does Law have after his NE run? We know he got his coin though?
    PSS….Law even admits he shouldn’t have chased the money on his post-Pats wasteland tour.

    _______________

    They cut him because he was going to count 12 million against the cap of 85 million in 2005. That’s roughly 14%, too much for a CB.

    He also went on to have his best season AFTER he was cut by the Pats.

    And if you want to count Super Bowls, how many did BB get after cutting Law. 1 out of 3.

  51. Hard to disagree with him but hindsight is 20/20. Most of belichicks moves have allowed the Patriots to sustain long term success, just look at how many division championships they’ve had since he took over. Yes they would possibly have gotten one more SB win but at what cost? BB is constantly looking towards the future and compensatory picks aren’t nearly as valuable as the pieces he gets in his trades for players who were likely to leave anyways.

  52. Two words for Ty Law to consider, they happen to be the same 2 words that sent him elsewhere, Salary Cap

  53. His personnel approach could just have easily won them several championships they otherwise would have lost.

  54. Law was my favorite player as a kid but he’s wrong on this one.

    So many things have to go right to win a Super Bowl. health, schedule, weather, officiating and luck play huge factors in winning a Super Bowl that’s why it’s stupid to go all in for one year, so much could go wrong then your screwed long term. Obviously if a deal helps you now but doesn’t hurt you in the future go for it(Revis with Pats is the perfect example) but the smartest way to build a franchise is to build it to consistently contend long term not go all in one or two years then bottom out and rebuild.

  55. I love when guys who never played for Bilicheck call him out. It’s all jealousy. You don’t win two championships by accident!

  56. Whether or not BB let productive older players go too early, Chandler Jones is only 26. That trade only looks good if Jonathan Cooper does better in Foxboro than he did in Phoenix.

  57. Well. I think from 2001 -2016 The Patriots have been Super Bowl contenders for all but about two seasons -2002 and 2008. Not sure how anyone can criticize Obi Wan Belichick. He has 4 Lombardis and Had it not been for a David Tyree incredible catch and a Wes Welker dropped pass he would
    Have 6 Super Bowls.

  58. I have been saying this for a few years now, and I always get laughed out of the room. Glad someone else is finally saying it.

    No one is denying that Belichick is a great coach. Probably the GOAT, even with the cheating scandals. But I still feel he could have been even MORE successful with better personnel management and better drafting.

    I know, I know, I’m crazy. But mark my words, he could be a 6 time Lombardi winner had he managed certain roster situations better over the years.

    Off the top of my head, all those years he traded back from the first round and stockpiled later round picks…if he had instead stayed in the first round those years and taken premier players, I truly believe it could have been the difference in the 2 Super Bowls he DIDN’T win.

  59. Every coach/GM/player personnel guy is going to make some “bust” moves at some point. BB has made less than anyone else in the last 15 years and hence all the hardware; he runs a great roster his way.

  60. Sounds like sour grapes to me. What player has Belichick cut that has gone on to anything? Wes Welker did nothing after he was cut and people went crazy over that move. Whenever the Patriots cut a good player, they usually have a back up plan. They cut Vinateiri and they had Gostkowski. Mankins was on the downside as well. Their failures at OL had more to do with injuries. And 2007 would have been a Super Bowl year if not for a lucky, fluke catch, so I’m fine with what Belichick is doing as long as he has capable replacements.

  61. Chandler Jones has plenty in the tank. He’s like a 3rd year guy or something. They moved on because of his drug episode. After Hernandez, they are taking no chances.

  62. It’s all over when Brady retires. They have been lucky to have a great QB fro as long as they have.

    Not many teams run into back to back stud QB’s and they are damn lucky when they do.

    I know, I’m a Bears fan….Damn Favre/Rodgers!!!

  63. You only get to crack that egg once Ty. Once you break the bank for a glory run you are going into rebuilding mode one or two years out, it’s not like you’re going to have a chance to break the bank for a glory run again. He’s probably right that it has cost them – it has hurt them for multiple individual seasons, but it has also build them into a decade plus contender with four championships, rather than a short cycle contender like 90% of the league. That is the beauty – and cruelty – of Belichick’s system. I love Ty, and though he is right technically, he’s wrong if he thinks those tough decisions weren’t by design and more than worth it.

  64. BB can pick my players anytime! The two SB’s the Pats lost were awfully close. BB could have 6 by now save a couple of huge Giants plays.

  65. More recently, would the Patriots’ offensive line have been good enough to withstand the Broncos’ pass rush in this year’s AFC Championship Game if Belichick hadn’t traded away Logan Mankins a year earlier?
    ****************

    I thought that was two years ago. Didn’t they win a Super Bowl without him?

  66. raiderlyfe510
    Mar 16, 2016, 5:30 PM EDT
    Well. I think from 2001 -2016 The Patriots have been Super Bowl contenders for all but about two seasons -2002 and 2008. Not sure how anyone can criticize Obi Wan Belichick. He has 4 Lombardis and Had it not been for a David Tyree incredible catch and a Wes Welker dropped pass he would
    Have 6 Super Bowls.
    *******

    He actually does have 6. He won two as DC for the Giants. One of his game plans from NY is in Canton.

    I speak for most giants fans I know when I say, I HOPE HE COMES BACK TO US BEFORE HE IS DONE.

  67. That maybe true but I can recall a “helmet catch” by David Tyree and a dropped 3rd down pass by Welker costing them two championships.

  68. Keep the stars and lose 5 0r 6 plumbers.I disagree with Ty law,it’s hard to win period,hard to be competitive period.Look after the mid to bottom,you will lose 10-15 players a year……period

  69. Love Ty. Will never forget the 47 yard pick for a TD in Super Bowl 36. Thank you, Vrabel for slapping Warner across the face.

    That being said, Belichick made the single greatest personnel move ever in Patriots history by telling Robert Kraft that Tom Brady would be the Patriots QB going forward and not Drew Bledsoe. And he had to make Kraft buy it, because Bob loved him some Bledsoe.

    How did that personnel approach turn out?

  70. BB has 6 rings, not 4 (don’t forget the 2 Giants ones as an assistant coach). How many coaches can you name with 6 coaching rings? And don’t forget who was HC of the Browns when they last won a playoff game.

    Pats have won 13 of the last 15 division titles (and lost one of the other two titles on a tie break) – and the statistically the Pats are no better outside than in, so the division is not weak.

    Pats have reached 10 of the last 15 AFC championship games.

    Because this sort of success isn’t supposed to be possible in the salary cap era, the league’s other owners hate him. And Ty Law was only cut because Ty Law wanted more money in the salary cap era.

  71. Another ex-player that’s become an expert GM, maybe he’s auditioning for NFL Network/BSPN

  72. Belicheat is a phony. He traded Jones and the NE fans try to spin it like it was for ethical reasons, yet they let him play a week after the incident, if they really cared they would have benched him then.

  73. yes, Belichick has done many wondrous things but the Chandler Jones thing was a mistake. If the NFL didn’t come down on him during the playoffs, why would they do it now? Belichick is still a mortal. He’s done many things well but he’s still a mortal.

  74. Belichick wins zero super bowls without Tom Brady and it was the late coach Dick Rehbein who talked the Patriots into drafting him. That doesn’t mean Belichick isn’t a great coach, but the winning is all on Tom Brady and the move to acquire Brady was on Rehbein. Belichick will be in HOF some day and he certainly deserves it. There are stories like this behind every coach, and there are also mistakes made by personnel people that resulted in getting good coaches fired.

  75. Of course, a player of Ty’s ability thinks a team should pay top dollar to keep him but Belichick, relative to the big spenders, has the best track record of winning in pro sports.

  76. Ty Law is correct. The Patriots build their team to be competitive in the long term. That definitely impact short term success and may have cost them a couple of Super Bowls.

  77. metitometin says:
    Mar 16, 2016 5:39 PM
    Sounds like sour grapes to me. What player has Belichick cut that has gone on to anything?
    =======================================
    You wrote “cut” but if you mean gotten rid of: Ty Law, Adam Vinatieri, Richard Seymour, Brandon Tate, Revis, Darius Butler,

  78. Sorry Ty, but its a business. In case you have not heard there is a salary cap. Someone has to make sure that the money is spread around to compete this year and next year and so forth. Just look around the league, there is a lot of mismanagement of salary cap. As a fan I will take BB’s approach any day of the year.

  79. Ironically, they might have won another one or two using the base that was built by Belichick using his method of cap discipline already. So, yes, they were disciplined through 2005 and then abandoned it for that year to maybe reach a ring in 2006. Which would affect the rest of the decade. In hindsight, not a bad deal, but in the moment? Naw. I’ll take what the Pats have given me as a fan – an expectation of the AFCCG and a potential next ring.

  80. “In a 2014 interview.”

    So why dig this up now ESPN? 2 years later. Really?

    BTW earlier today the same network in talking about Chris Long’s addition to NE said “Long, the 2nd overall pick in the 2008 draft… is the first player picked in the top 2 overall to play for NE since Kenneth Sims back in 1980 something”

    Ummm ever heard of Drew Bledsoe? Yeah, 1st overall pick. Irving Fryar was also a 1st overall pick who played for NE in that time span IIRC. SMH… ESPN is so terrible.

  81. Ty,

    You played like 5 seasons for Bill and had three titles for it. Yep, he failed to win titles for you in two seasons out of five…which is still better than any coaches in NFL history (I could extend the statistics for Bill’s entire tenure at NE without any changes in the conclusion). So what is your problem here – other than 4 championships in 15 years being obviously less than 15 out of 15?

  82. @skunkb3ar

    Irving Fryar – 1st overall in 1984, Drew Bledsoe, 1st overall in 1993. Both excelled, and Fryar had maturity issues and blossomed over a long career with multiple teams.

    Kenny “Game Day” Sims, 1st overall in 1982–took exception to practice being an important part of the job. He would have gotten along well with Allen Iverson. Underwhelming career overall.

  83. Ty Law might be right about this. However, this assumes the veteran player(s) let go would have been worth the money – they would have performed to expectations and would have remained healthy – had they stayed. And, we all know that both of those things frequently don’t happen with veteran players. So BB spends his salary cap buying insurance/depth throughout the roster. Wise man.

  84. Every decision is a gamble. What if he kept them and they got hurt or became a useless diva like Manning did when he was allowed to longer too long?

  85. bradjamesbroncositaly
    Mar 16, 2016, 4:43 PM EDT
    The Patriots have been consistently competitive for 15 years because the AFC East has always been a weak division in that span.

    I might be inclined to believe that except for the fact that the Patriots always win 12+ games and are always the #1 or #2 seed. They’ve never just made the playoffs as a wild card. Not to mention they rarely lose in the first round and have won 4 Super Bowls. If they were just a product of a bad division they would get bounced early and never win anything.

  86. Hes right. His personnel moves are saved by having arguably the best HC and best QB ever on the same team but some years his personnel moves are incredible questions. He usually is smart with money allocation but sometimes he just thinks he can get by with marginal players and he doesnt

  87. Martellus Bennett! Are you kidding me? That’s going to piss people off, best TE in the league to go with a top 5 TE. It’s good to be a Pats fan!

  88. When Ty Law masters the salary cap and then coaches and GM’s his way to Belichick’s level, I’ll listen. Until then, I won’t question the guy at the wheel. There are enough train wrecks in the NFL to tell me that it’s harder than it looks.

  89. Hes 100% RIGHT:

    Vrabel
    Seymour
    Moss
    Jones
    Mankins
    Harrison was about to get traded
    Milloy
    Wouldn’t surprise me if Brady gets cut in 2 years.

  90. charliecharger says:
    Mar 16, 2016 6:15 PM

    Belichick wins zero super bowls without Tom Brady and it was the late coach Dick Rehbein who talked the Patriots into drafting him. That doesn’t mean Belichick isn’t a great coach, but the winning is all on Tom Brady and the move to acquire Brady was on Rehbein. Belichick will be in HOF some day and he certainly deserves it. There are stories like this behind every coach, and there are also mistakes made by personnel people that resulted in getting good coaches fired.

    ————————-

    Brady was an average QB at Michigan, Belichick was a two-time SB champion before he came to New England.

  91. Absolutely they would’ve won more. They haven’t had a WR to throw the ball to beyond 15 yards since Randy left. They would have easily beaten the Gmen in the second SB if they had him, and countless other years. BB is the GOAT coach, but never gets truly criticized the way he should for his personnel moves. He’s too stubborn in his ways and his coaching ability. Once TB retires, he better make more judicious moves, as TB won’t be able to cover up the terrible draft picks or early dismissals over a veteran bringing up money.

  92. Ty Law is still bitter that Belichick got rid of him, too.

    Here’s the truth: if it weren’t for Bill Belichick, no one would have ever heard of Ty Law.

  93. Many teams followed your sage advice during Bill’s tenure and look where they are now . You can go all in one year to get the ring but what happens when you don’t win it and those chickens come home to roost .

  94. Oh and to all those not without Brady pundits no one and I mean no one wanted Brady to start against the Rams in Super Bowl since Bledsoe was ready to go yet there he was. If the Pats lose with Bledsoe on the bench ruh roh so the safe move to keep your job is start the vet QB even if it costs you a Superbowl

  95. Ty is wrong. BB’s problem is choosing the incoming players, not the outgoing. Some better decisions on drafting and free agents could have brought a few more Lombardis.

  96. This was Bill Walsh’s philosophy “one year too early rather than one year too late”, he was ruthless but generally got results.

  97. Says a guy BB ditched. There’s a reason the patriots are enjoying the greatest dynasty in the history of sport. In order to maintain that level of excellence for this long, you do occasionally have to get rid of people earlier than is ideal. I’ll take it. Thanks.

  98. Curious as to which players the Pats got rid of too soon. Who went on to have MONSTER careers after BB let them go?

  99. Like Jimmy Johnson told Belichick on the boat in the series Football Life, better to cut them a year early than a year to late. Bill took that to the bank. If coaches don’t win they’re gone to. Everyone is just a spare part in a junkyard.

  100. Well, they would’ve won one more Super Bowl if one of their ‘star’ CB’s (Asante Samuel) hadn’t dropped an easy INT

  101. Manboob Billy got hosed in the Chandler Jones trade! Jones is a bona fide stud edge rusher. A very rare commodity in the NFL. Billy gave him up for a total bust offensive lineman who spent more time on the bench here in AZ than on the playing field. Cooper recently told the media that he is having confidence issues. Nice! Oh, and the second round pick might as well be a third. Way to go Manboob Billy! No wonder Denver owns you.

  102. Very short sighted view. No coach/GM/owner combo is perfect. However, on average Belichick/Kraft have been the best since 2001. If you point out that Belichick could have won more Super Bowls making different choices then you also have to accept that the Patriots could have also won zero Super Bowls if Belichick made different choices. A lot of the good he has done has been because he is so consistent in his philosophy and thinks long term. It obviously works. If it’s so easy to see how Belichick would do better with different choices then why can’t any other coach/GM do better right now?

  103. “hsunblog says:
    Mar 16, 2016 5:29 PM
    Whether or not BB let productive older players go too early, Chandler Jones is only 26. That trade only looks good if Jonathan Cooper does better in Foxboro than he did in Phoenix.”

    The thinking among Pats’ fans is that the 2nd round pick is more important than Cooper. The Pats are getting players who might be high impact in return for one player who was going to leave next winter anyway. Don’t forget the pick.

    A Jones-for-Coooper trade would have been a very one-sided trade. But it didn’t go down that way.

  104. The Patriots cut Ty Law at exactly the right time. He was past his prime after that. BB is genius at that and Law resents it.

    I think it would be more accurate to say he had one more really good year. BB tends to cut or trade players slightly earlier than many think he should. Of course, that’s the only way to get any value back in a trade.

    Basically, he ditches the high salary when he thinks the player doesn’t deserve it any longer. That’s why Mankins went to Tampa.

    And anybody who thinks Mankins would have made a difference in Denver this year didn’t watch him play his last game in Denver for the Pats two years ago.

  105. There are 13 franchises without a Super Bowl that wish they would have had the same personnel approach that BB has had during his tenure in New England.

    The remaining ones clearly would have liked to have enjoyed the same success over the same time period (cue the moronic comments on cheating!!!).

    I marvel at the ability that people have to know what would have happened with different personnel or different play calling. As if everything else would play out according to their envisioned outcome had their decisions been made.

    I do vent the frustration after a game on calls or plays, but to assume the final outcome would be different because of that is, not only arrogant, but inherently stupid.

    Bottom line, the guy making the calls is BB and, as a Pats fan, I wouldn’t want it any other way.

  106. Really Ty. He lost two SBs on a reception off a helmet that at least three penalties on the offensive line and in the grasp could have been called. He lost another one on one of the greatest throws and catches into just about the tiniest windows possible. He’s guided his team to 10 AFC championship games in 15 years. I would say coach and general manager Belichick understands a roster, salary cap and winning better than just about any person that has ever walked the sideline of an NFL a field and in the era of the salary cap clearly better than anyone.

  107. Kind of a dumb comment Ty. In the past 15 years they have been to 6 Super Bowls and have reached, but lost, in the AFC Championship game another 4 times. The only two seasons they missed the playoffs they lost out on tiebreakers with records of 9 -7 and 11 -5.
    Not too shabby. Thanks Ty, but I think BB knows what he’s doing.

  108. You can’t argue with the Pats success or track record, but there was one year I think Law was right. 2006. They had a good team that year. It was the year they were killing the Colts at halftime and lost the game. Then the Colts went on to win the SBowl against the Bears, who weren’t that good. The Pats let Givens walk and traded Branch, after a holdout(that’s the big one). They tried to get away with RCaldwell, JGaffney and CJackson(whiff) in the draft. Another 1rst down or so in the Colts game and they’re Champs. BB fixed it the next yr with Welker and Moss.

  109. I still can’t believe Bill got rid of the team leader Hernandez… They would have KILLED the other teams…

  110. I challenge Ty Law to find a head coach with this kind of record… (in the Super Bowl Era that is)

    2015 1st of 4 Lost Conf
    2014 1st of 4 Won SB
    2013 1st of 4 Lost Conf
    2012 1st of 4 Lost Conf
    2011 1st of 4 Lost SB
    2010 1st of 4 Lost Div
    2009 1st of 4 Lost WC
    2008 2nd of 4
    2007 1st of 4 Lost SB
    2006 1st of 4 Lost Conf
    2005 1st of 4 Lost Div
    2004 1st of 4 Won SB
    2003 1st of 4 Won SB
    2002 2nd of 4
    2001 1st of 5 Won SB
    2000 5th of 5

  111. Law said this only a short time before the Pats won their 4th Super Bowl.

    In 2007, the Pats lost the Super Bowl by 3 points after a miracle finish by the Giants. Same with 2011. Pats could’ve possibly won 6 Superbowls.

    They’ve been to 5 straight AFC Championship games and Brady’s QB’d 5 others. So 10 Champ Games and 6 Super Bowl appearance.

    How many other franchise in the Salary Cap Era have done that?

    How can anyone claim BB “cost” them Superbowls?

  112. Ty Law’s comment was from 2 yrs ago after the Logan Mankins trade. This is the 2nd time I’ve written this. What justifies my exact same comment from being removed from this comment section?

  113. First, let’s dig up an old quote.
    Next, let’s rejoice as we see Haters from a bygone day back to spew nonsense.
    Finally, please Hateroids, would you be happier had he gone Ty’s way and the Pats had 8 SB wins?

    Pick y0ur poison Haters, we love that it burns you.

  114. Nah the approach is just fine. The problem was poor drafting and signings. The ’06 -’09 drafts were terrible and that’s when they really the help, the “dynasty”D was getting old by 2005. Since then probably dozens of picks used /wasted on DBs. D was awful for years…took a lot longer than it should have imo
    Sacrilege to say I guess but Bill is a much better HC than GM. They draft much better when he has good help like the last 2-3 years with Casserio. No complaints right now, team is stacked imo

  115. Wondering why ESPN decided to air a 2014 interview now.

    Given that the Patriots won a Super Bowl last year the comment made before said victory would appear to have been made obsolete.

    Network run by children.

  116. “Law was right. 2006. They had a good team that year. It was the year they were killing the Colts at halftime and lost the game. ”

    Ah yes, the phantom DPI game. Ellis Hobbs was called for “faceguarding” which, Phil Simms’s knowledge base notwithstanding, was no longer a penalty.

  117. What a ridiculous premise. Everyone knows that the 30 other owners and NFL commissioner would never have allow Belichick and the Patriots to win more Superbowls than he already has. The proof is in the pudding.

  118. Yeah right, like any of these experts including Law knows squat about building and maintaining a consistently great team. Given that the Great One has outperformed everyone in the history of the salary cap; just flop back on your couch and fantasize about all the stocks you were going to pick too.

  119. “Organizations win championships.”

    Jerry Krause, GM Chicago Bulls in the 1990s

    Between 1991 and 1998 the Bulls won 6 titles in 8 years and during that time they had a 83% personnel turnover – 10 out of the 12 were different between 1991 and 1998. It doesn’t hurt if your remaining 17% are named Jordan and Pippen, but that’s a good record.

    Organizations win championships.

  120. Bill Walsh was doing this : 3 SB wins.
    Bill Belichick is #1 all time with 4 SB wins and 6 SB games as a headcoach.

    I can’t say if it was the right thing to do, but it surely was not the worse!

  121. what a stupid statement. The reason it might appear that way is because Belicheat is smart and figured out under the salary cap it is better to have 22 8’s than it is to have 3 10’s, 7 8’s, and and 12 5’s. of course a team with 22 8’s would be better if one of them was a 10 but the Pats would not have all those 8’s to begin with without trading off and/or cut the over priced vets.

    Fact is, like the Pats or not (I don’t), they have had the most success of any tem in the last 20 years. to say the coach does not know what he is doing is stupid.

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