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NFL still dancing around PSI issue

FLORHAM PARK, NJ - JUNE 02: General view of balls in a ball-bag on the New York Jets sideline during Organized Team Activities on June 2, 2010 in Florham Park, New Jersey.  (Photo by Al Pereira/Getty Images) Getty Images

Last season, the NFL opted not to develop a full database of PSI readings from every game played, deciding instead to test air pressure on a random, sporadic basis.

After the 2015 season ended, the NFL opted not to release publicly any of the PSI readings, deciding instead to declare generally that there were no violations.

During Thursday’s conference call regarding proposed changes to the NFL’s rulebook, Ben Volin of the Boston Globe asked about the football custody and testing procedures adopted for 2015. NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent said that there will be no changes for 2016.

“There is no need for us to change our pregame protocol that pertains to game balls,” Vincent said. “We had no violations of that process, we’ll continue to [handle footballs] in the manner we’ve set forth. . . . We focus on procedure, balls being brought to the stadium. There was no violation of game balls being checked in at the appropriate time. There was no violation of game balls being in the officials locker room, being brought to the field, back to the locker rooms at halftime, and then the balls being brought back to the locker room post game. So it’s the procedure of the balls themselves.”

Vincent didn’t address the question of whether any of the tested footballs were below 12.5 PSI, the minimum permissible inflation pressure. Which means that the public and the 32 franchises will continue not to know how a violation would be determined if/when the air pressure dips below the smallest allowable amount. Is there a minimum PSI reading under various weather conditions? Did the NFL re-enlist scientific assistance to confirm based on the weather conditions that any sub-12.5 PSI readings were consistent with the Ideal Gas Law?

The league undoubtedly wants to keep all PSI readings secret because some undoubtedly were below 12.5 PSI. And if the numbers were released, plenty of people would do the math to determine whether the actual in-game measurements confirm or debunk the notion that the Patriots deliberately removed air from the footballs used in the 2014 AFC championship game.

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  1. edelmanfanclub says: Mar 18, 2016 12:16 AM

    Corrupt BS league. Hate myself for supporting these turds, bring back the NJ Generals and USFL

  2. Cyrano's Nose says: Mar 18, 2016 12:18 AM

    If the PSI’s helped in any way to confirm the Patriot’s guilt, the NFL would be releasing them to the public, guaranteed.

    The NFL knows we know this and has heard the criticism for not releasing the data. Hence their only excuse for not doing so is that they cant because they never bothered taking any measurements to begin with.

    Even the gloating haters should be able to see through this.

  3. ibelievebrady says: Mar 18, 2016 12:22 AM

    1.) If you still think the footballs in the 2015 AFC Champ Game were tampered with, you are:

    A. Too lazy to read
    B. Not very bright
    C. Completely delusional
    D. All of the above

  4. touchdownelvis says: Mar 18, 2016 12:26 AM

    I hope the new judges are paying attention to the league office’s evasiveness on this matter.

  5. saml23 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:27 AM

    PFT continues to be Patriot cheerleaders. Funny that you ignore the part where they have confirmed there has been no tampering because that is the focus now. When will the Brady apologists acknowledge that it isn’t about psi anymore? It’s about the collusion that was evident after the investigation.

  6. joshr99164 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:27 AM

    Facts are overrated

  7. aljack88 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:31 AM

    “There was no violation of game balls being checked in at the appropriate time.”

    No game ball violations? Except for the balls the refs forgot to bring from the airport hotel in Boston. A hotel employee found them and a Mass State Policeman ended up driving them to the game. Yea, Vincent, real integrity.

  8. chazjs says: Mar 18, 2016 12:36 AM

    saml23 says:
    Mar 18, 2016 12:27 AM
    PFT continues to be Patriot cheerleaders. Funny that you ignore the part where they have confirmed there has been no tampering because that is the focus now. When will the Brady apologists acknowledge that it isn’t about psi anymore? It’s about the collusion that was evident after the investigation.

    ———————————————-

    If by collusion you mean between the NFL, Ted Wells, and Exponent, then yes you’re absolutely right.

  9. rolf1015 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:38 AM

    Remember when the refs forgot the game balls and gauges at their hotel before the Pats-Chiefs playoff game? The state police were called to deliver the balls to the game.

    So that falls within the NFL protocol? Goodell, Vincent, and the league office have absolutely zero credibility.

  10. pats14 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:44 AM

    The one thing that the Patriots organization and Patriots fans have in common is that neither one of us gives a sh*t about what other people think. So be my guest, haters…pile it on.

  11. footballfan825 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:52 AM

    Saml23, how did tom Brady collude? i hate the patriots as much as anyone else but fair is fair. I have yet to see legitimate proof that anything happened on (or off) the field. Don’t feel bad, the NFL couldn’t answer this question either…

  12. ( . Y . ) says: Mar 18, 2016 12:53 AM

    Either the NFL didn’t measure the psi of the footballs, or the actual measurements in fact vindicate the Patriots’ assertions that nothing improper happened at all

    Notice that he didn’t even mention psi. That was the entire point of the spot checks. I’m under no illusions that the Patriots don’t ouch the limits of the rules, and my honest opinion when this originally happened was that Belichick was probably up to something (using a mixture of air/helium, or inflating with hot air, etc to achieve the deflated footballs). But the NFL has done nothing but show that the Patriots, if they were up to something, didn’t actually deflate the balls.

    People like to pick one or two facts and cling to that as the irrefutable proof of guilt (typically the phone or the deflator nickname). So I’ll play the same game. The proof that the Patriots don’t deflate footballs was the Jets game where the officials inflated the footballs to 16 psi. This is factual, never disputed by the NFL. Yet no one seems to know why the officials did that? But to my point, after said game, Brady was furious with the balls boys. Why was he furious? Because the balls were inflated to 16 psi. They played the whole game with footballs that were egregiously over inflated. If a team had a deflation scheme, and the officials inflated the balls to 16psi, wouldn’t the deflator simply take the balls to the bathroom for 90 seconds, and deflate each one back down to the 10.5psi everyone keeps clinging to??? Why did the deflator decide that he wasn’t going to do it in that one game. Of all games, the 16psi game would be the most valid time to do it, but he didn’t. I find that weird…

    Plus with all of the lies that have been spewed by the league, I simply wouldn’t trust them for anything. If Goodell told me that the sky was blue, I would go verify it before taking his word. Deflategate originated from an intercepted ball, oh wait, not it was an email, oh wait, no it was a phone call about an email… The balls were 2psi below spec, oh wait they were “significantly under” spec. And the colts balls were all within spec, oh wait they weren’t within spec, but we aren’t worried about their balls only worried about the Patriots balls. (This is one of the most fascinating elements, because it was one of the first smoking guns, all of the Patriots balls were deflated, but all of the Colts balls were unaffected, meaning weather affected only one side of the stadium. And then it was revealed that the colts were as guilty of deflating as the Patriots, and then people didn’t like that smoking gun anymore). And goodell completely mischaracterized, that’s too kind, completely lied about what Brady said on the stand under oath. Tom Brady is the ONLY person who has testified under oath, risking purgery chargers if he was lying. Who else has been under oath??? Until the NFL game day employees/game officials, NFL league office personnel, Ted wells, and the Doritos dinks (the importance of their testimony under oath isn’t lost on me) etc testify under oath, and submit their phones and all communications, I am not believing anything they say. Give the Patriots their picks back, and while you’re at it, give the Chiefs their picks back too for that bull honky tampering sham

  13. gaffya says: Mar 18, 2016 1:06 AM

    the league is under no obligation to release any of this data.they aren’t skirting around anything it’s not an issue to them because they’ve already established *brady’s guilt.once the judges concur and the fraud/cheat serves his suspension it’ll all be over

  14. chuckdizzlewhut says: Mar 18, 2016 1:25 AM

    Read the texts messages folks. It’s simple. It’s obvious.

    The rest are just contrived arguments for a court of law where any number of procedural issues can be brought up which serve only to distract from the actual matter.

    The rest of us, whom one might call, “the unbiased”, see through the clutter.

    All of Boston, and in particular their media, should be ashamed.

    This whole process has been eye-opening; The passion of fandom can truly blind people to obvious truth and make them turn their backs on morals learned long ago.

    #Bradycheated
    #Bradypaidhislackystostayquiet
    #yourebiasedandcanthandlethetruth

  15. anonymousnevermindfishdeath says: Mar 18, 2016 1:46 AM

    ..or you could just do away with a specific PSI

  16. leftypointspread says: Mar 18, 2016 2:00 AM

    So the NFL doesn’t have the balls to release this data.

  17. jtbaudendistel says: Mar 18, 2016 2:06 AM

    If you actually care about how much air is in a ball go jump off golden gate

  18. folkcrusader says: Mar 18, 2016 2:07 AM

    I have no idea what you are going on about. There are literally thousands of High School games a year that you could test pressures. Hundreds and hundreds of college games. Arena games. Canadian games. If you want the data so bad, go get it.

  19. chebornek says: Mar 18, 2016 2:22 AM

    Chiefs fan here – it’s been pretty obvious from the start, that Goodell and his crew of phony SOBs found their dumba55es backed into a corner by an assorted crew of whiny complainers…who were tired of Brady and his wrecking crew beating them to a pulp. All.The.Time.

    And decided to impose the harshest penalties they thought they could get away with (in front of the other 31 club owners) to keep hammering at the Patriots for previous violations. Years old violations.

    NFL you have a major credibility problem. Especially when you ignore SCIENCESorta like Bush43 decided to do.

    Everyone on this site is on to your stink. In a couple of years, much less sophisticated people who only rarely follow your rigged game will start catching whiffs of the stench which wafts from corporate headquarters.

    Might not happen yet for another 5 or 6 years. But… with your recent admittance of the CTE issue, then your raping of the overflow fund and your constant shifting of penalties against teams and individual players.

    Why should anyone continue to pay the price for season tickets and parking and all the other associated bux to watch Goodell and his own wrecking crew, paste together their version of 21st century gladiator corruption?

  20. briguy5 says: Mar 18, 2016 3:31 AM

    I don’t care if you think Brady is guilty or if you think he is as pure as the wind-driven snow: There is no reason not to release these numbers so that we can all form much more educated opinions on the matter.

  21. dukeearl says: Mar 18, 2016 3:53 AM

    ibelievebrady says:
    Mar 18, 2016 12:22 AM
    1.) If you don’t think the footballs in the 2015 AFC Champ Game were tampered with, you are:

    A. Too lazy to read
    B. Not very bright
    C. Completely delusional
    D. A Patriot fan
    E. All of the above

    There, fixed it for you.

  22. pondbridge says: Mar 18, 2016 4:04 AM

    Goodell is a laughing stock on this and other discipline issue and has turned the NFL into a joke like McMahon’s XFL. League rules have no legitimacy and none of the PR ferrets running the league into the ground deserve any respect. However, they are selling a product with unlimited demand, so the con continues…

  23. joker65 says: Mar 18, 2016 4:30 AM

    the league is under no obligation to release any of this data.they aren’t skirting around anything it’s not an issue to them because they’ve already established *brady’s guilt.once the judges concur and the fraud/cheat serves his suspension it’ll all be over

    _____

    Absolute malarky. Give me one, just one, reason why the league would not release the information if it helped them.

  24. jchipwood says: Mar 18, 2016 6:15 AM

    The Colts would have did a better job handling the investigation than Goodell. Goodell being buds with Kraft, living in the patriots backyard, and past experiences with patriots make it unfair in the patriots favor.

  25. slaugin says: Mar 18, 2016 6:19 AM

    Even if you end up being right that Brady will lose, this is far from being over

  26. yette1 says: Mar 18, 2016 6:25 AM

    saml23 says: When will the Brady apologists acknowledge that it isn’t about psi anymore? It’s about the collusion that was evident after the investigation.
    ________________________________

    OK, let me get this straight, your admitting that PSI of the balls naturally deflated in accordance with the laws of nature, but now you don’t like that Brady didn’t cooperate?

    Next time a cop pulls you over, even though you didn’t do anything, confess that your a felon on the loose and serve jail time. That’s the equivalent of your argument.

  27. hawk944 says: Mar 18, 2016 6:33 AM

    Not a jurist but can’t the judges demand to see those numbers? It seems to me that information pertaining to the case would be important.

  28. margoadams says: Mar 18, 2016 7:11 AM

    The NFL wanted the Colts in the Super Bowl and this year they wanted the Broncos. They tried to use Deflategate to help the Colts and this year they used Hochuli 8-0 and Blakeman 6-0 to pave the way for the Broncos.
    The FBI should be investigating the NFL for conspiracy to defraud the customer.

  29. trailerparkking says: Mar 18, 2016 7:11 AM

    If you think the Patriots are innocent of tampering with footballs, you are:
    A. Lying
    B. Too lazy to read
    C. Too stupid to analyze facts
    D. Uneducated
    E. Delusional
    F. All of the above

  30. orrnumberfour says: Mar 18, 2016 7:21 AM

    A massive lawsuit by Brady against the fraud Goodell and the corrupt NFL for defamation is the only way that true justice will be served.

    There is nothing worse than accusing someone of something that they did not do….all because they win too much for some jealous sore losers’ liking.

    NFL = GUILTY.

  31. wattambor says: Mar 18, 2016 7:36 AM

    They aren’t dancing. You’re still sad that your employer and favorite team the patriots got caught. Suck it up, princess.

  32. watchfullhose says: Mar 18, 2016 7:57 AM

    According to the nfl, the 3rd law of thermodynamics does not exist.

  33. gtodriver says: Mar 18, 2016 7:57 AM

    It would be interesting if the appeals judges would require the NFL to present all the data they collected from the 2015 season as far as ball PSI goes.

    Or has Goodell already destroyed the data that proves the NFL was wrong?

  34. mixjuan says: Mar 18, 2016 8:04 AM

    saml23 says:
    Mar 18, 2016 12:27 AM
    PFT continues to be Patriot cheerleaders. Funny that you ignore the part where they have confirmed there has been no tampering because that is the focus now. When will the Brady apologists acknowledge that it isn’t about psi anymore? It’s about the collusion that was evident after the investigation.
    _________________________________________

    You haven’t been following this story on PFT from the beginning, then. Mike Florio was one of the hardest hitters against the Pats when this thing first blew open. That was until he saw the sham of a case and the NFL’s duplicitous nature being exposed.

    He is now hammering the NFL because the NFL has been deceitful from the beginning and it has become apparent to EVERYONE that isn’t a total, blinded with jealous rage, hater that the NFL was out to nail the Pats and try to bring them back down to the rest of the league, either by benching Brady for 1/4 of the season or loss of picks and money (or in this case, both).

    Take the blinders off. And remember, this could definitely, and probably will, happen to your team.

  35. rolf1015 says: Mar 18, 2016 8:16 AM

    saml23 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:27 AM

    When will the Brady apologists acknowledge that it isn’t about psi anymore?
    _______________________

    It isn’t about PSI any more – really?

    So then it doesn’t matter that the footballs deflated naturally from the cold and no one tampered with the balls. What really matters is a nickname used in a text between 2 ball boys nearly a year before the AFCCG. And a QB not handing over his personal cell phone to a corrupt league office that can’t stop from leaking confidential info.

    But at least I’ll give you credit for indirectly admitting that no ball tampering occurred – it is the first step to accepting the truth.

  36. swineflooo says: Mar 18, 2016 8:23 AM

    The nfl offices are so corrupt its insane

  37. footballboozer says: Mar 18, 2016 9:20 AM

    RogerBOT continues to talk about being transparent, but refuses to release any information.
    Again, how can these billionaire crybabies let Rog drag them through the mud?!?! It amazes me!

  38. logast says: Mar 18, 2016 9:30 AM

    The whole issue should have been dismissed when the NFL used Exponent.

    This is beyond a joke. It is beyond disgusting.

    Enough already.

  39. pbinpb57 says: Mar 18, 2016 10:12 AM

    Cyrano’s Nose says:

    The NFL knows we know this and has heard the criticism for not releasing the data. Hence their only excuse for not doing so is that they can’t because they never bothered taking any measurements to begin with.

    Even the gloating haters should be able to see through this.

    ————————————————————

    345 Park Ave. strikes again. To quote NFL’s own website:

    “During halftime, each game ball for both teams will be inspected in the locker room by designated members of the officiating and security crews, and the PSI results will be measured and recorded.”

    Yup, oozing with integrity.

  40. fireroger says: Mar 18, 2016 10:37 AM

    pbinpb57 says:
    Mar 18, 2016 10:12 AM

    345 Park Ave. strikes again. To quote NFL’s own website:

    “During halftime, each game ball for both teams will be inspected in the locker room by designated members of the officiating and security crews, and the PSI results will be measured and recorded.”

    Yup, oozing with integrity.
    ————————————————————
    Including the Min\Sea game last Jan when they swapped out the footballs at half time. Not sure why that would even need to be done if footballs don’t deflate naturally. Just sayin’.

  41. BradyIsTheGCOAT says: Mar 18, 2016 10:40 AM

    Patriots have a culture of cheating – they deserve the harshest penalties and if it’s over under inflated balls, so be it. These peckers need to learn some humility.

  42. steelerben says: Mar 18, 2016 10:59 AM

    Even with the NFL stating that they do not intend to release the data they collected, with how loose their informational security is when convenient, you have to believe information that supported the idea that the Patriots were guilty of tampering with equipment would have been leaked. Even if it was all cherry picked information that didn’t paint the whole picture it would have been leaked.

    Does anyone really believe that the NFL would be keeping it a secret if balls from Vikings home games being played in eight degree weather remained within the NFL guidelines for inflation at halftime? That would give them a slam dunk in proving that the laws of physics didn’t govern footballs and we’d all be seeing it splashed across ESPN right this second.

  43. j0esixpack says: Mar 18, 2016 11:04 AM

    Saml23 can’t seem to comprehend that the footballs weren’t deflated

    So it was collusion to have them properly inflated?

    Goodell is a corrupt puppet of corrupt officials who have provided scientific proof the NFL itself is inherently unfair

    Way to protect the shield Roger. This is also the guy who says he’s available to the media at all times

  44. fjw2 says: Mar 18, 2016 12:26 PM

    The point that seems to have been completely ignored by all parties throughout this entire fiasco is that it has never been (factually) established that it is advantageous to have lower pressure in a game football. The kicking balls clearly are going to go further with higher pressure. But there has never been any proof that lower pressure actually does a thing. Why the ball pressure rule even exists when the rest of the ball can be manipulated, scuffed up, treated with all sorts of voodoo before a game is the real question.

  45. commiecensorshiponpft says: Mar 18, 2016 12:29 PM

    I take this to mean that they didn’t find a 3/1 ratio of the teams balls. Like what happened when the patriots deliberately removed air from the footballs used in the 2014 AFC championship game.

    Most others outside of Boston who can form a thought would surmise the same.

  46. ibelievebrady says: Mar 18, 2016 12:31 PM

    chuckdizzlewhut says:
    Mar 18, 2016 1:25 AM

    Read the texts messages folks. It’s simple. It’s obvious.

    The rest are just contrived arguments for a court of law where any number of procedural issues can be brought up which serve only to distract from the actual matter.
    ———————————-

    Do you understand that the people pulling these random txts and telling you what the Pats did (the NFL) have lied CONSTANTLY throughout this whole charade? That’s not up for debate. That’s a fact, like the sky is blue. The NFL has lied repeatedly in Deflategate.

    Do you understand the whole case is based on the NFL’s judgement of who/what is credible? So they’ve been proven liars about multiple things (many other things outside of Deflategate) but you’re going to take their word on who is credible and who isn’t and trust their interpretation of statements?

    You are either incredibly naive, or your jealousy and hatred of the Pats is so strong that it prevents you from seeing something that is crystal clear.

  47. gisellichek says: Mar 18, 2016 12:50 PM

    There is no doubt in my mind the League has the proof that the Ideal Gas Law exists… its real and it proved there was no tampering by Patriots staff during the colts game and lastly , Tom Brady is innocent.

    For some reason they have decided that need to stay the course in order to save face…

    It my opinion that the real truth will come to light and expose the injustice done to the Patriots. The motive being jealous owners trying to bring the Patriots back to parody.

  48. limakey says: Mar 18, 2016 5:17 PM

    The NFL is not dancing around the PSI. They made it clear that they were not looking to turn this season PSI into a scientific study. They did what was required of them. People forget the NFL has other agencies they have to answer too. They were just as much under scrunity by the government. Cheating in sports is taken very seriously. Millions of dollars are at stake. Now, for all of you who hate Goodell and the NFL, can I ask you an honest question? Would you rather have what the NFL did during Deflategate or would you rather have had the US Government handle this? Now if the government did the investigation, do you really think the weight loss excuse provided by the Pats would still hold up? Do you really think Brady would have even had a chance to destroy his cell phone? Think about it.

  49. machobob says: Mar 18, 2016 5:49 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 18, 2016 5:17 PM
    The NFL is not dancing around the PSI. They made it clear that they were not looking to turn this season PSI into a scientific study. They did what was required of them. People forget the NFL has other agencies they have to answer too. They were just as much under scrunity by the government. Cheating in sports is taken very seriously. Millions of dollars are at stake. Now, for all of you who hate Goodell and the NFL, can I ask you an honest question? Would you rather have what the NFL did during Deflategate or would you rather have had the US Government handle this? Now if the government did the investigation, do you really think the weight loss excuse provided by the Pats would still hold up? Do you really think Brady would have even had a chance to destroy his cell phone? Think about it.
    _________________________________
    Hey, I’ve seen your comments before. Are you giggling to yourself trying to get a rise out of those who take your seriously, or do you actually expect to be taken seriously. You say the NFL was clear? Which NFL, the NFL that outlined the procedures before the season, including measurements, or the NFL after they looked at the numbers and changed their story? You’re still hanging your hat on one text and the phone thing? What happened to the fumble analysis? Your whole argument is slipping away, piece by piece. Hold on to your Bill Nye pseudo science, hold on for dear life.

  50. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 18, 2016 5:58 PM

    jchipwood says:
    Mar 18, 2016 6:15 AM

    The Colts would have did a better job handling the investigation than Goodell. Goodell being buds with Kraft, living in the patriots backyard, and past experiences with patriots make it unfair in the patriots favor.—————————————————You’re just bitter that the dolphins have scored a lousy 12 playoff points in two games over the last 15 years. Never mind the 6 super bowl appearances and 4 championships the Patriots have over the same time period. The first step to rehabilitation is coming to terms with your crappy reality. You’re welcome.

  51. limakey says: Mar 18, 2016 6:17 PM

    Machobob, my point and also question is, who would you really rather handle such investigations? The government? Which would have a much further arm in investigations? Which means they would have supbeana power. JM would have been interviewed as many times as the government saw fit. Not how many times the Pats saw fit. And there is no proof that JM even used that excuse. That is from the Pats. And if the government handled these investigations, Brady would be facing jail time for destroying evidence. I have never said a word about the fumbles. That was never an issue with me. Yes, I believe Brady is a liar and a cheater and has less interity then a worm. But I never said a word about fumbles.

  52. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 18, 2016 7:17 PM

    There are a lot of dbag posters on here and that’s fine. But all NE fans would really appreciate it the trolls would step up their game. Just a little bit. Please.

  53. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 18, 2016 7:29 PM

    … like thinking that Brady would/should be “facing JAIL time” for somebody else maybe messing with the psi in a FOOTBALL to extent that none of the refs noticed and that nobody can prove/disprove. Weak (but laughable).

  54. ibelievebrady says: Mar 18, 2016 8:06 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 18, 2016 6:17 PM
    Machobob, my point and also question is, who would you really rather handle such investigations? The government? Which would have a much further arm in investigations? Which means they would have supbeana power. JM would have been interviewed as many times as the government saw fit. Not how many times the Pats saw fit. And there is no proof that JM even used that excuse. That is from the Pats. And if the government handled these investigations, Brady would be facing jail time for destroying evidence. I have never said a word about the fumbles. That was never an issue with me. Yes, I believe Brady is a liar and a cheater and has less interity then a worm. But I never said a word about fumbles.
    —————————–

    I think I speak for most Pats fans, we would gladly take a government investigation. That’s all we’ve ever wanted is a fair, independent investigation into what happened. Instead we’ve been fed nothing but lies, misdirection, and deceipt for 15 months.

    You talk about Brady “destroying” evidence, what would the government think about failure to hand over interview notes and Collected PSI data from this past season?

  55. machobob says: Mar 18, 2016 8:49 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 18, 2016 6:17 PM
    Machobob, my point and also question is, who would you really rather handle such investigations? The government? Which would have a much further arm in investigations? Which means they would have supbeana power. JM would have been interviewed as many times as the government saw fit. Not how many times the Pats saw fit. And there is no proof that JM even used that excuse. That is from the Pats. And if the government handled these investigations, Brady would be facing jail time for destroying evidence. I have never said a word about the fumbles. That was never an issue with me. Yes, I believe Brady is a liar and a cheater and has less interity then a worm. But I never said a word about fumbles.
    __________________________
    Sorry I forgot to answer your specific question. Yes, government.
    And the Patriots did not decide on their own how much interviewing would be done. There was an agreement between Wells and the Pats that they could have one whole-day interview, not counting the ones already done by the NFL. Additional interviews could be granted if there was a compelling reason (new information) which they failed to provide. Why did the NFL decline a phone interview? They had access to all the texts well in advance of the first interview, so it couldn’t have been recent “discovery” of the “deflater” text (singular, I might add). That was a smokescreen to try to intimidate (much more effective in person than on the phone) and trip up McNally into some sort of confession. Their failure to click on the magnifying glass and search for the word “deflator” was not an oversight.
    Prior to the second interview request, they clearly thought the science would end up being more compelling. They didn’t have enough evidence and had to fish for more. That tactic is consistent with the leaking of false numbers and the lie about the PSI in the NFL letter to the team.
    By the way, I’ll bet you believed Bill Nye when he said Belichick’s science explanation made no sense. It was not elegant, but as a physics major, I can tell you that his was way, way, way more correct than Nye’s. Tell me you hadn’t already made up you mind by then.

  56. truthinesshurts says: Mar 18, 2016 9:33 PM

    **********
    hawk944 says:
    Mar 18, 2016 6:33 AM
    Not a jurist but can’t the judges demand to see those numbers? It seems to me that information pertaining to the case would be important.
    ***********

    Troy Vincent said he destroyed his phone that had the 2015 season’s PSI data on it. Several text messages between Troy and Mike Kensil were found, in which Kensil referred to himself as The Eraser. Bob Kravitz reported that several underinflated Colts “charity” balls were sold by a league official on Ebay. The Massachusetts State Police reported 12 game balls fell out of a patrol car, bouncing and rolling on I-95 and into oncoming traffic before they were recovered, Chris Mortensen reported that balls in 12 of the games fell more than 2 PSI below the minimum limit. Roger Goodell fined them each $1M for failure to cooperate with the investigation. The State Police have appealed their fine to independent arbitrator Vince McMahon.

  57. truthinesshurts says: Mar 18, 2016 9:43 PM

    Does anyone else suspect that several of the folks posting on here and other web sites have real last names like “Kensil” ? What we need is Anonymous to come on here and trace where the pro-NFL posts are coming from…

    If you think I’m just a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist wacko, first take look at how much money the NFL takes in every year, and what they have at stake to protect their image, and how money breeds corruption…and making pro-NFL posts isn’t illegal, so what would they have to lose if it’s done covertly ???

    Wait….Just a second, I need to deal with a black helicopter landing in my back yard…I’ll be right ba – – – argggghhhhh

  58. zigthepatsfan says: Mar 18, 2016 11:48 PM

    youknowiknowitall says:
    Mar 18, 2016 7:17 PM
    There are a lot of dbag posters on here and that’s fine. But all NE fans would really appreciate it the trolls would step up their game. Just a little bit. Please.

    they basically believe the Pats had a scheme to take .2 PSI out of the footballs.

    even the league knows that didnt happen that’s why it’s not even about that anymore. Only the very dim still think anything happened. No hope to convert them at this point.

  59. limakey says: Mar 19, 2016 11:56 AM

    The government would have confiscated all cell phones off the entire organization. They would have gone back to Brady’s Pop Warner Days! The Pats would not have been able to protect JM or JJ in any shape or form. They could say whatever they wanted to Wells and it didn’t matter to them because it had no consequences for lying. Brady had no consequences for lying either. With the government, it truly would have been a totally different investigation and your boy would have been banned from the game.

  60. ibelievebrady says: Mar 19, 2016 2:48 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 19, 2016 11:56 AM
    The government would have confiscated all cell phones off the entire organization. They would have gone back to Brady’s Pop Warner Days! The Pats would not have been able to protect JM or JJ in any shape or form. They could say whatever they wanted to Wells and it didn’t matter to them because it had no consequences for lying. Brady had no consequences for lying either. With the government, it truly would have been a totally different investigation and your boy would have been banned from the game.
    ——————————-

    It’s amazing to me how you just don’t get it. We don’t care. Let the government confiscate anything they want and interview whomever they want because NOTHING was done to the footballs! The only reason you and others think the footballs were tampered with is because you’ve been fed lie after lie from the NFL. That is a proven fact that the NFL has lied repeatedly throughout Deflategate. There is no arguing that. That isn’t an opinion, it’s a proven fact, and it’s been proven 10 times over. You can think the Pats have lied, but there is literally not one fact to back that opinion up. Not one.

    So please, stop living in Patriot hater fantasy land and come back to reality.

  61. limakey says: Mar 19, 2016 3:16 PM

    The only proven liar is Tom Brady. And the NFL did prove the footballs were tampered with. Brady challenged the scence in his appeal hearing and got his lunch handed to him. And I believe at least one of the judges recently was quoted as the evidence was compelling that the balls were tampered with. Or was it overwelming? And what did the judges say about the reason Tom gave for destroying his cell phone? Did the judge say that everybody knows that Brady raised the stakes when he destroyed it?

  62. ibelievebrady says: Mar 19, 2016 3:55 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 19, 2016 3:16 PM
    The only proven liar is Tom Brady. And the NFL did prove the footballs were tampered with. Brady challenged the scence in his appeal hearing and got his lunch handed to him. And I believe at least one of the judges recently was quoted as the evidence was compelling that the balls were tampered with. Or was it overwelming? And what did the judges say about the reason Tom gave for destroying his cell phone? Did the judge say that everybody knows that Brady raised the stakes when he destroyed it?
    —————————-

    Thank you for confirming your ignorance and proving your knowledge of Deflategate facts is cloudy at best. As usual, the least educated about the facts are the loudest.

  63. limakey says: Mar 19, 2016 6:27 PM

    ibelievebrady, It just angers Pats fans when you faced with the cold hard facts. Your boy cheated and lied and he got caught. But he will most likey get away with it because he did not know he could be punished for it. Great defense!

  64. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 19, 2016 8:08 PM

    The only proven liar is Tom Brady. And the NFL did prove the footballs were tampered with.
    ————
    Someone needs to look up the definitions of “only” and “proven” because the informed among us recognize that there are more liars than proof of anything in this whole Framegate fiasco.

    No anger here. We mostly welcome your laughably ignorant posts so keep ’em coming. But do try to step up your game just a little bit. Please.

  65. chuckshontaspads says: Mar 19, 2016 10:31 PM

    (.Y.) has the single best defense of Brady and Framegate I have ever seen, and I have read virtually everything written on the subject.

  66. limakey says: Mar 20, 2016 12:42 PM

    The only ignornance on this thread are by those posters who deny that Brady did challenge the science at his hearing. That the evidence he submitted was not evaluated by the NFL. The NFL met their burden proof on this issue. Granted, it is the lowest burden of the three but they met it. The text messages and the lack of credibility of JM, JJ and TB, does, in my opinion only pushes it up to the next level.

  67. GoodellMustGo says: Mar 20, 2016 1:02 PM

    It’s almost all over Patriot Hater.:) Tom Brady will win and thus the side of good ( and that is not an abbreviation of Goodell) will prevail. As it should.

    Let this be a lesson to you wussies. Work harder and try harder to get ahead in life. Stop pointing fingers at your superiors for your own faults and failures. Wear them and own them and try to do better.

    It really isn’t rocket science you know.
    :)

  68. bunjy96 says: Mar 20, 2016 1:04 PM

    Goodell owes the Pats a draft pick they stole from them.

  69. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 20, 2016 3:19 PM

    First you say …

    “Brady challenged the science in his appeal hearing and got his lunch handed to him.”

    and then you say …

    “… Brady did challenge the science at his hearing. That the evidence he submitted was not evaluated by the NFL”

    ————————-

    That is in no way getting your lunch handed to you but rather a tacit acknowledgement by the NFL that the science is not on their side.

    And, so, we’re left laughing at you again (and your continued inability to step up your game).

  70. limakey says: Mar 20, 2016 4:49 PM

    Well that was a rather unfortunate typo on my part, The NFL evaluate the reports that Brady submitted by his team before his appeal. Brady also had experts on his side at his appeal. For all of those who have claimed to have read all the documents, apparently have not read Goodell’s ruling. All scientific rebuttal paperwork that was submitted by Brady was passed on to the NFL asked for these to be considered and if they changed the findings in any way. Brady’s team lost.

  71. bobsnygiants says: Mar 20, 2016 5:36 PM

    troy vincent should be fired

  72. machobob says: Mar 20, 2016 11:52 PM

    limakey says:
    Mar 20, 2016 4:49 PM
    Brady also had experts on his side at his appeal. For all of those who have claimed to have read all the documents, apparently have not read Goodell’s ruling. All scientific rebuttal paperwork that was submitted by Brady was passed on to the NFL asked for these to be considered and if they changed the findings in any way. Brady’s team lost.
    ____________________________
    Suggestion. Pick up a physics text book and try to read with comprehension how temperature affects the pressure of a gas in a closed container. Then you will be intellectually ahead of the NFL, and you won’t have to rely on them to make up your mind for you. Then you can joyfully embark on a life of actually thinking for yourself. Trust me, it is freeing and totally worth the effort.
    Question: Since you appear to have read Goodell’s decision, did you believe he was telling all of us the truth? Simple yes or no question.

  73. tyconderoguer says: Mar 23, 2016 9:13 PM

    pondbridge says:
    Mar 18, 2016 4:04 AM

    Goodell is a laughing stock on this and other discipline issue and has turned the NFL into a joke like McMahon’s XFL. League rules have no legitimacy and none of the PR ferrets running the league into the ground deserve any respect. However, they are selling a product with unlimited demand, so the con continues…

    Let’s put the two main characters in a cage and winner takes all.

  74. ibillwt says: Mar 23, 2016 11:34 PM

    Take the air out, don’t take the air out. Anywhere in the 5 – 20 psi range I like our chances with Bellycheck and Brady.

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