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Report: “Zero chance” NFL gives back pick it took from Patriots

Patriots owner Robert Kraft didn’t elaborate today when asked if commissioner Roger Goodell responded to his letter asking for his first-round pick back.

It sounds like it wouldn’t take much paper for Goodell to respond.

According to Judy Battista of the NFL Network, an NFL source said there was “zero chance” the Patriots would get the pick back.

While that seemed like the likeliest outcome from the start, the swiftness of reply remains impressive.

Kraft would seem to have had a decent leg to stand on, what with the flimsy science and series of legal losses the league has endured of late. But he also offered himself up to the altar of the league when he accepted the team’s punishment of a $1 million fine and the loss of a first- and fourth-rounder for their role in the “more likely than not” Deflategate.

And that made the chances of him getting the 29th pick close to, well, zero anyway.

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  1. randomguy9999 says: Mar 21, 2016 5:43 PM

    the rationale that the NFL should always bargain on discipline has really taken root with NFL teams and players…

    and it’s a major mistake if the NFL wants a league that doesn’t look like it’s just paying lip service to fair play and wants players to be responsible role models for kids

    they should never soften a penalty, if anything they should be more harsh

  2. chawk12thman says: Mar 21, 2016 5:44 PM

    The request letter is actually “detrimental to the league” by keeping this festering issue in the limelight and the NFL Commissioner should take another draft pick away……..Okay; maybe not….but all you Goodell haters out there think it possible, don’t you?

    I just wish the whole deal would go away now. I understand the huge loss of that pick, but Pats accepted and didn’t challenge when appropriate…….No recourse and that part stands…….

  3. patsfan says: Mar 21, 2016 5:45 PM

    I bet Kraft already had his response from the league when he spoke to reporters about having sent the letter.

  4. broncodanny says: Mar 21, 2016 5:45 PM

    Good… Freakin cheaters!!!📌🏈📽

  5. radiosavage says: Mar 21, 2016 5:47 PM

    If only “league sources” were as quick to correct the initial reports of 11 of 12 balls were two pounds under…

  6. trailerparkking says: Mar 21, 2016 5:49 PM

    Kraft has no leg to stand on. Since owning the team the patriots have repeatedly violated the rules and it goes all the way back to the Belicheat hire. The reality is Kraft cheated his business partners, many of them helped build the NFL, and carry more influence and value to this league than Kraft. Kraft should be lucky his team wasn’t stripped of wins and that he hasn’t been voted out. Kraft has no support from fellow owners because they are sick of the cheating culture he encourages in his organization.

  7. ayoungandres says: Mar 21, 2016 5:49 PM

    Huge Patriots fan, not a Bob Kraft fan, here. BK blew it when he backed down in favor of his billionaire friends over his fans. Now he just looks pathetic. At least Brady has some balls.

  8. dansardo says: Mar 21, 2016 5:51 PM

    This has nothing to do with the nfl giving the picks back, it’s about the Kraft relationship with the fans. And as for the doofus above, the nfl almost never lessens penalties, arbitrators and courts do

  9. redsghost says: Mar 21, 2016 5:52 PM

    Of course there’s zero chance, wouldn’t want to stand in the way of Goodell’s “integrity”. Report- league sources says Goodell has zero percent integrity.

  10. herrcules13 says: Mar 21, 2016 5:53 PM

    “At least Brady has some balls.”

    Deflated as they may be…

  11. 1967forever says: Mar 21, 2016 6:00 PM

    Kraft accepted the punishment based on information provided by the league which has since been proven to be false and/or based on faulty assumptions. His acceptance should have no basis in determining whether or not to get the picks back. The punishment should be deferred until the case is adjudicated.

  12. deneb1973 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:02 PM

    Of course there is no chance for a postponement of the penalty. The Pats got no “due process” but the mob mentality of jealous fans demands punishment so the NFL will enforce penalties based on supposition. What happened to DUE PROCESS? Would anyone accept fines and penalties based on allegations? That’s what this is. Kraft should petition the other owners to postpone the penalties until a violation is proven. He won’t of course because this is all to appease the Patriot fans. Kraft is as guilty as the NFL; he’s just got a better publicist.

  13. tim2200 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:10 PM

    Kraft already knew this. This has to do with winning over the fans of NE again. Not working though.

    Good to see the league office still has Judy Battista on the payroll.

  14. byrnestj7 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:10 PM

    He accepted punishment. Really fact he asked for it back is ridiculous. It’s a like a kid being grounded then asking for ice cream

  15. terripet says: Mar 21, 2016 6:17 PM

    good

  16. iamkillerfin says: Mar 21, 2016 6:22 PM

    good it’s about time the cheaters got SOMETHING taken away… Brady should have still got a suspension, but Goodell messed that up too!!!

  17. steves11 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:27 PM

    Goodell would like nothing better than to have the Patriots turn into a perennial 4-12 team (in other words, the Cleveland Browns), but that won’t happen as long as Tom Brady is the QB. But age will eventually catch up to even Tom Terrific and he will have to retire (see: Manning, Peyton). But even given that seeming fact of NFL life, Roger is certainly not going to do anything to help the Patriots get to another Super Bowl and God forbid, win it.

  18. scw1993 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:27 PM

    I remember in 2014, Welker was suspended four games for taking molly cut with amphetimines while he was a member of the Broncos. Goodell quickly pushed through a “new rule” cutting Welker’s suspension in half, and he was back on the field for the upcoming Seahawks game. Evidently, he cuts suspensions for certain teams, and players. Illegal drugs get you a one or two game suspension, a puff of air he wants a 4 game suspension.

    Wait til he unloads on your team and he will… you will not be happy.

  19. pftreader69 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:34 PM

    That ship has sailed unfortunately. Any talk about getting picks back at this point is just a PR stunt. Kraft should have waited but obviously he underestimated how much of a weasel Goodell is.

  20. mt10425 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:36 PM

    Kraft will get the last laugh Goodell. You’re an idiot.

  21. deweygroup says: Mar 21, 2016 6:45 PM

    I certainly hope the Massachusetts Attorney General has the fortitude to follow through with the consumer fraud complaint that has been presented. Imagine all the subpoenas and discovery that would be brought forth. It would probably lead to a Federal investigation and the possibility of the loss of the antitrust exemption, all because Roger can not admit he was wrong.

  22. shiz1156 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:49 PM

    So the tampering charge against KC is fair as well? What was that the Jets were fined 100,000$ no loss of picks? Goodell and the NFL office is completely off in it’s discipline, any employer that would conduct itself in these ways would face legal suits in the real world.

  23. patstipoftheiceberg says: Mar 21, 2016 6:55 PM

    trailerparkking says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:49 PM
    Kraft has no leg to stand on. Since owning the team the patriots have repeatedly violated the rules and it goes all the way back to the Belicheat hire. The reality is Kraft cheated his business partners, many of them helped build the NFL, and carry more influence and value to this league than Kraft. Kraft should be lucky his team wasn’t stripped of wins and that he hasn’t been voted out. Kraft has no support from fellow owners because they are sick of the cheating culture he encourages in his organization.

    ————-

    This in perpetuity. It’s the #1 reason why we have this Patriot situation. belichick…..forever rogue…..he still has not been properly punished and it’s like they’re afraid to suspend him.
    after the crap bubbling up today…….I’d hope to hear that Kraft is soon to be forced to sell the team. He’s trying to rig it all for glory of his fandom, etc. Cut off the head of the snakes….Kraft and Beli orchestrated this entire 15 years of scandals. End it or this will probably end the NFL

  24. a072455 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:59 PM

    Kraft does not have a leg to stand on, this from a lifetime fan since Billy Sullivan. If Goodell give these Picks and $$$$$, he is telling the other 31 owners to fire him on the spot. It also would make the NFL appeal look foolish. So Goodell will never give them back, why it would tarnish his reputation, fragile as it may be.

  25. Hitdog18 says: Mar 21, 2016 6:59 PM

    The commissioner has ALWAYS favored the jets

  26. senatorblutarsky says: Mar 21, 2016 7:07 PM

    scw1993 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 6:27 PM

    … Evidently, he cuts suspensions for certain teams, and players. Illegal drugs get you a one or two game suspension, a puff of air he wants a 4 game suspension.

    Wait til he unloads on your team and he will… you will not be happy.
    ___________________

    No worries. My team doesn’t cheat.

  27. scw1993 says: Mar 21, 2016 7:19 PM

    senatorblutarsky says:
    Mar 21, 2016 7:07 PM
    scw1993 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 6:27 PM

    … Evidently, he cuts suspensions for certain teams, and players. Illegal drugs get you a one or two game suspension, a puff of air he wants a 4 game suspension.

    Wait til he unloads on your team and he will… you will not be happy.
    ___________________

    No worries. My team doesn’t cheat.

    —————————————————

    Lions don’t win, either.

  28. unnamedxsource says: Mar 21, 2016 7:31 PM

    They should give back the pick to the Patriots. The Patriots got hosed in this whole affair. And I’m not even a Patriots fan.

  29. idpfantasyfootball says: Mar 21, 2016 7:34 PM

    I believe that Goodell’s response is the same as the one that Putin gave Kraft when he asked for his ring back… Nyet!

  30. monkeesfan says: Mar 21, 2016 7:40 PM

    The problems with the league’s position against giving the Patriots back their draft picks go beyond what Kraft said before – the league has now twice lied to federal judges in its defense justifying its punishment of the Patriots; Goodell’s own hearing transcript showed him to be dishonest with everyone and incompetent at understanding anything about the inner workings of the game. All of it makes Kraft’s acceptance of the penalty irrelevant – not to mention that the league and NFLPA are working to take away Goodell’s disciplinary authority, an effective declawing on him that will make him irrelevant and make his word useless.

  31. sopadegato says: Mar 21, 2016 7:41 PM

    The bottom line is that if it’s something the Jets get away with, you’re screwed.

    Taping other teams? NYJ nothing, Pats got Spygate.
    Tampering w/footballs? NYJ: Player suspended one game, organization not penalized. Pats? Deflategate.
    Tampering w/Free Agents? NYJ: $100k. Chiefs: $350k, 3rd round pick, 6th round pick.

  32. tattooit says: Mar 21, 2016 7:48 PM

    He knew he wasn’t going to get the pick back. This was a maneuver to set a different plan in motion behind. Wait for the other shoe to drop.

  33. mattwalshvideo says: Mar 21, 2016 7:55 PM

    There’s also zero chance deflatriot fans will ever get over their beloved team being labeled cheaters forever.

    It burns deep, we all know it.

  34. nolasoxfan2012 says: Mar 21, 2016 8:02 PM

    Kraft should man up and sue the league. He should have done that as soon as it became clear this was a witch hunt that would find a witch no matter what. I don’t understand what’s stopping him now. His billionaire friends are happy to benefit from his loss. The league has acted with absolutely no integrity, has lied, twisted testimony, and continues to lampoon the reputation of one of its great players with evidence that the scientific community laughs at. The NFL is literally saying that deflategate is true because they say it’s true, regardless of evidence or logic. If you are on here arguing in favor of punishing the Patriots, you are simply uninformed and don’t understand the depths of NFL chicanery here. If so, I hope the league’s capricious, shoot-first-ask-questions-later policies affect your team and its players next.

  35. chuckdizzlewhut says: Mar 21, 2016 8:09 PM

    I feel bad for patriots fans – it’s not their fault their team cheated.

  36. bubbybrister/shovelpass says: Mar 21, 2016 8:09 PM

    Jets fans love having Godell on the payroll and more importantly, they love that he is inside the Pats fan’s heads!

    Fun Fact: Belicheat was on the Jets payroll too!

  37. nepatriot1 says: Mar 21, 2016 8:10 PM

    senatorblutarsky says:
    Mar 21, 2016 7:07 PM
    scw1993 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 6:27 PM

    … Evidently, he cuts suspensions for certain teams, and players. Illegal drugs get you a one or two game suspension, a puff of air he wants a 4 game suspension.

    Wait til he unloads on your team and he will… you will not be happy.
    ___________________

    No worries. My team doesn’t cheat.
    —————-
    Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life. If you think environmental deflation of a ball in cold weather is cheating, your team has done far worse, guaranteed.

  38. cornerstone2001 says: Mar 21, 2016 8:13 PM

    Give the pick back if Brady and the 2 Deflator Boys take and pass a lie detector test…….

  39. somepeopleneedtogetalife says: Mar 21, 2016 8:17 PM

    So sick of this whole sorry affair. Anyone who thinks the NFL acts fairly needs their head examined.

    This is a blatant attempt to neutralize a winning franchise and therefore give someone else a chance. I guess five straight AFCCGs is too much, the other members of the Old Billionaire Club are jealous.

    BTW I believe there might be a grain of truth to the ball deflation. I believe all QBs should have the ball the way they want them.

    Brady lobbied for the rule change SEVEN years ago and the NFL never cared until now.

    And lastly, as I’ve said before, a deflated ball does not run, block or tackle. To attribute the Patriot’s success to PSI is ludicrous

  40. getyourownname says: Mar 21, 2016 8:20 PM

    Kraft deserves a fine for those hideous white collar shirts he always wears.

  41. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 21, 2016 8:30 PM

    There’s also zero chance deflatriot fans will ever get over their beloved team being labeled cheaters forever.

    It burns deep, we all know it.
    ———————————-
    It seems to burn you and the other losers whole lot more and we’re good with that. Keep it coming. NE just keeps winning.

  42. notajetsfan says: Mar 21, 2016 8:38 PM

    1967forever says:

    Kraft accepted the punishment based on information provided by the league which has since been proven to be false and/or based on faulty assumptions. His acceptance should have no basis in determining whether or not to get the picks back. The punishment should be deferred until the case is adjudicated.

    sopadegato says:

    The bottom line is that if it’s something the Jets get away with, you’re screwed.

    Taping other teams? NYJ nothing, Pats got Spygate.
    Tampering w/footballs? NYJ: Player suspended one game, organization not penalized. Pats? Deflategate.
    Tampering w/Free Agents? NYJ: $100k. Chiefs: $350k, 3rd round pick, 6th round pick.

    Both of these statements are absolutely true. Plus most of Goodell’s staff are ex jets. Everyone knows how the Jets dislike the Patriots. How can you expect a fair outcome considering the bias, blatant uncorrected lies, and propaganda convicting the patriots in the public eye, with very little confirmed evidence. Politicians have more integrity than the NFL office.

  43. limakey says: Mar 21, 2016 8:47 PM

    Kraft is still spinning the PR machine. He has known from day 1 he could not fight this because they NFL had met their burden of proof. And without question, even before we knew about Brady destorying his cell phone, the Pats did not fully cooperate. While he may have believed every word that came out of Tom’s mouth, I am sure he was advised that no one else would.

  44. headwoundharry says: Mar 21, 2016 8:49 PM

    It’s so much fun to watch Bobby Kraft get on his knees and beg. Soo much dignity!

  45. ibillwt says: Mar 21, 2016 8:49 PM

    Don’t worry, our brilliant Coach will use the saved cap money to get more talent even cheaper from all the chumps who just try to buy talent but can’t build a team.

  46. bencoates57 says: Mar 21, 2016 8:56 PM

    Kraft backed down under the misapprehension those balls were 2 lbs under. The league misled him

  47. bartpkelly says: Mar 21, 2016 9:03 PM

    Did the Pats rehire the equipment staff they fired?

  48. limakey says: Mar 21, 2016 9:07 PM

    Ben, that is not true. Mr Kraft made his descison after he had all the evidence. And do you really think he did not seek out legal counsel before he made it? There was no way for him to win. He knew that.

  49. jackbenimble999 says: Mar 21, 2016 9:09 PM

    I read a comment by a Buffalo Bills reporter that he’d rather be a loser than catch all the grief the Pats have caught. The same is no doubt true of Jets fans, who had their hopes crushed when they blew a chance for the playoffs in Buffalo. Many of the ignorant fans of other teams truly believe the Pats are cheaters. It’s a happy narrative for them and maybe helps them sleep at night, although there is no correlation to reality. The truth is Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time and the Patriots are the greatest team of all time – despite the collusion of the NFL, the corrupt owners and the incompetent, lying buffoon of a a commissioner to slander them and confiscate their picks. Intelligent, objective fans of other cities know the Pats have been screwed over.

  50. rootpain says: Mar 21, 2016 9:10 PM

    I’m pretty sure any serious Pats’ fan doesn’t care about the picks anymore. We all know the basis of Deflategate was groundless. We all know trying to talk sense to the few haters out there is like trying to talk sense to a rock. Except that a rock is more intelligent. We all know that the basis of Goodell’s petty little game is to somehow try and show the NFL world that he is more than just a minion. But we also know that in fact, he’s three or four levels below a rock. And we all know that in spite of the stolen picks, the Patriots are still going to dominate.
    So in fact, those of us who root for the Patriots, are kinda glad Goodell won’t give in. It just confirms who he is. And when the Patriots succeed in spite of him, it just reminds everyone how good the team is.

  51. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 21, 2016 9:15 PM

    I’m with weepingjebus who said on the previous post that “I don’t even want (the pick) back, I want to keep pummeling Roger’s precious little pet teams.”

    NE had played and won on an even field long enough. It was time to make it more challenging for NE (while also understanding that in the end, the deck would be sooooooooooo stacked against them that it would take a Malcolm Butler-like play to “steal” the win). Stacking the deck in their favor worked for the NYG. Not so much for SEA.

  52. mikeytoth says: Mar 21, 2016 9:17 PM

    Now my question is what would happen if the league backed off and admitted that they got this whole thing wrong and gave everything back. Would these haters still think the pats cheated even if the league admitted it was wrong and that nature deflated the balls?

  53. kissbillsrings says: Mar 21, 2016 9:19 PM

    I feel bad for the fans of other teams…. Their only happiness comes from dellusional rants & ignorant comments….& we Patriots fans get the joy of reading them AND watching the Patriots continue to dominate their pathetic franchises….talk about a win-win situation!!!
    Can’t wait to see those 2 TE sets tear up the league this year!!! Woo Hoo!!!!

  54. notajetsfan says: Mar 21, 2016 9:22 PM

    Too many readers are confusing 2 lbs underweight with 2 PSI low. The actual weight difference of 2 PSI of air is miniscule, less than 1 ounce. The original blatant lies stating 2 lbs underweight just give ammunition to those that only get information from headlines and don’t care to understand the difference.

  55. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 21, 2016 9:22 PM

    Now my question is what would happen if the league backed off and admitted that they got this whole thing wrong and gave everything back. Would these haters still think the pats cheated even if the league admitted it was wrong and that nature deflated the balls?
    ————-
    Right or wrong, Limakey wouldn’t believe anything that Limakey didn’t want to believe. He’s that right and everybody else is that wrong all the time.

  56. jjfootball says: Mar 21, 2016 9:28 PM

    They better not give anything back!!!!!

  57. truthprofessor says: Mar 21, 2016 9:30 PM

    They didn’t just “TAKE” the pick, they “STOLE” the pick.

  58. j0esixpack says: Mar 21, 2016 9:35 PM

    limakey says: Kraft is still spinning the PR machine. He has known from day 1 he could not fight this because they NFL had met their burden of proof
    —————————————————

    limakey HAS GOT to be Goodell. He’s not too smart, doesn’t understand that the Laws of Physics exonnerate the Patriots, and seems unaware that the NFL’s attorney admitted to a federal court judge that they have no direct evidence against Brady

    If they’d met the burden of proof we wouldn’t be where we are today – but at least EVERYONE knows that Goodell, right from the 11 of 12 false reports, has now shown himself to be corrupt

  59. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 21, 2016 9:43 PM

    The league not giving back the illicitly poached pick? How is this news?

  60. streetyson says: Mar 21, 2016 9:43 PM

    bartpkelly says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:03 PM
    Did the Pats rehire the equipment staff they fired?
    notajetsfan says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:22 PM
    Too many readers are confusing 2 lbs underweight with 2 PSI low. The actual weight difference of 2 PSI of air is miniscule, less than 1 ounce. The original blatant lies stating 2 lbs underweight…
    ——————————————–
    Firstly, the Pats didn’t fire the guys, they were suspended at the behest of the league (which the league subsequently lied about). They were reinstated before this past season started.
    Secondly, the balls weren’t even 2psi low! That “11 of 12 being 2psi under” nonsense is now known to be a notorious lie – the actual amount was a fraction of that and explainable by a combination of using the gauge that ref Walt Anderson says he used and natural deflation.

  61. kyblue33 says: Mar 21, 2016 9:59 PM

    Cheater Nation! Sad dishonest players, coach, owner, and fans that do not mind how they win! Cheat On!

  62. chuckshontaspads says: Mar 21, 2016 9:59 PM

    “Zero chance NFL gives back the pick they TOOK from Patriots”…..You meant to say STOLE!!

  63. filthymcnastyog says: Mar 21, 2016 10:05 PM

    Good! keep the first round pick. patriots will just continue to dominate the league without it. Haters keep hating cause the pats will be right back in the AFC championship again this year. And nothing you say or do can change the fact that after we are all long gone all the championships and records from this decade and a half(maybe 2 decades by the end) of dominance will live on in football infamy!

  64. thebirdofprey says: Mar 21, 2016 10:24 PM

    Take this minimal punished and stop crying you babies.

    ****

    You were caught cheating multiple times.

  65. bbwasright says: Mar 21, 2016 10:26 PM

    Too bad this report lacked any actual analysis. Do you really think that Bob Kraft made this request expecting to get the pick back? Either he made the request to save face with fans who are going to really smart when we miss out on a stud draft pick at #29… or he is preparing for a future battle to have as much ammo as possible. What do you bet he leads a charge in the next year or so to oust Goodell? What better way to start such an attack than to provide proof to the other owners that Goodell penalized the Patriots when he knew there was no crime? I wouldn’t be shocked to see a memo “leaked” to Deadspin in which Goodell admits that the new information proves there was no deliberate act by anyone.

    (At this point there are three kinds of people: those who aren’t paying attention, those who have followed the science and know that nobody did ANYTHING in “Deflategate,” and haters who could be personally visited by the Angel Gabriel and told that the Patriots are innocent and would still insist that they cheated.)

  66. bbwasright says: Mar 21, 2016 10:45 PM

    Hitdog18 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 6:59 PM

    The commissioner has ALWAYS favored the jets

    ————————

    Go figure, considering his only job not provided by the league (and his first real break) was with the Jets… as a PR intern.

  67. tonebones says: Mar 21, 2016 10:56 PM

    I love the Patriots because they win and I love a winner. Now I must admit, 100% of the super bowl success is due to Tom Brady. The cheating is ridiculous and it really stinks. Brady can win, and win big without some other people in the organization that just won’t play by the rules. It’s really a shame that they’re stealing from Brady’s legacy. So what if Brady let a little air out of the footballs on cold wet days. It’s like saying Bonds wasn’t a great baseball player before the steroid era. You can complain about the Patriots, but Brady is an all timer.

  68. DeflatorBeerSales says: Mar 21, 2016 11:07 PM

    I just wanted some new kicks……you think working for NE as a locker room guy pays? I still haven’t gone to ESPN…..yet

  69. jag1959 says: Mar 21, 2016 11:07 PM

    “And that made the chances of him getting the 29th pick close to, well, zero anyway.”

    The court case not yet having been completely played out there was never any chance they were getting their picks back. Kraft knew it before he sent the letter. From what I have seen and heard on my trips up to our vacation home in NE many Pats fans are almost as irritated with Kraft for going along to get along in the first place as they are with Goodell. The difference is Kraft as a well of goodwill to draw from. Say what you want about Kraft, he’s no fool and he didn’t become a self made billionaire by not keeping a finger on the pulse of his customers. The Wells Report in Context updates, the rhetoric and the letter are all sops to his angry fan base, he’s trying to refill the well

  70. jmdanieli says: Mar 21, 2016 11:11 PM

    Dr John Leonard a professor from MIT, who happens to be an Eagles fan, has a video on line that states implicitly why there was no tampering.
    Why the NFL insists on going after Tom Brady is just mind blowing! Despite admitting in Federal Court they had no evidence!

  71. trollaikman8 says: Mar 21, 2016 11:25 PM

    Kraft trying to dupe the league. Go back to wearing skinny jeans and hanging with 30yr old models.

  72. chuckshontaspads says: Mar 21, 2016 11:27 PM

    Zero chance…Just like 11 out of 12 were 2 psi under.

  73. annes22 says: Mar 21, 2016 11:41 PM

    I hope Mr Kraft’s letter gets the response it should. Leave it as is so they loose their draft pick, and Tommy has to sit too!!! Most would like to see that. They are cheeters so suffer the consequences.

  74. steelcurtainn says: Mar 21, 2016 11:49 PM

    Guilty as charged.

  75. lanflfan says: Mar 21, 2016 11:58 PM

    No pick for you, come back, one year.

  76. veddermn8 says: Mar 22, 2016 12:01 AM

    Judy Battista wrote the article about the incorrect assertion that Bradys side asked for the appeal transcript to be sealed when in reality it was Goodells side that made the request. You know this story is true though because she gets her info directly from the league office.

  77. davikes says: Mar 22, 2016 12:03 AM

    If there was no tampering why did Kraft fire the two equipment guys? I would give the pick back to the Pats if they would testify under oath. Just because the glove didn’t fit OJ doesn’t mean he was innocent.

  78. ( . Y . ) says: Mar 22, 2016 12:07 AM

    mikeytoth says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:17 PM
    Now my question is what would happen if the league backed off and admitted that they got this whole thing wrong and gave everything back. Would these haters still think the pats cheated even if the league admitted it was wrong and that nature deflated the balls?
    _________________

    No, that wouldn’t prove innocence, that would sadly only prove that goodell and Kraft are best buddies in the minds of morons. No matter what happens the people who cry and whine and call them cheaters have convinced themselves it’s cheating. These are the same people that are convinced the Patriots are cheating the coin toss because they won the toss like 9 weeks in a row. They are convinced belichick can manipulate the weather to his team’s advantage. They are convinced that somehow the Patriots cheated on the game sealing INT against the Seahawks. No matter what happens, there is some way to spin it as “evidence that the Pats cheat”. If someone accuses the Patriots of putting “itching powder” on the toilet paper in the visiting locker room, there will be people who come out and say it was proved that they do that. The Patriots are soooo deep in everyone’s heads, that any and all accusations, regardless of validity, and even if it isnt even possible, it still becomes fact. Personally I think Tom Brady is an alien that belichick uses in place of tom Brady. He keeps the real tom Brady locked up in a cage under Gillette stadium. The 6th rd draft pick tom Brady that wasn’t supposed to be very good hasn’t seen the light of day in 15 years… I just posted it on the Internet, so it’s must be true…

  79. davew128 says: Mar 22, 2016 12:33 AM

    bartpkelly says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:03 PM
    Did the Pats rehire the equipment staff they fired?
    ******************************
    Yes, with league approval…

  80. johnwaldron8 says: Mar 22, 2016 12:59 AM

    sopadegato says:
    Mar 21, 2016 7:41 PM

    The bottom line is that if it’s something the Jets get away with, you’re screwed.

    Taping other teams? NYJ nothing, Pats got Spygate.
    Tampering w/footballs? NYJ: Player suspended one game, organization not penalized. Pats? Deflategate.
    Tampering w/Free Agents? NYJ: $100k. Chiefs: $350k, 3rd round pick, 6th round pick.
    ————————————
    One nitpick – When the Jets were caught tampering with footballs, the player involved was not punished at all. A member of the Jets equipment staff was suspended for an unknown amount of time. Plus, the league buried that story so deep, it took a federal court case for it to be brought to light, 6 years later.

    This incident took place 2 years after Goodell said that rules infractions will be dealt with harshly. The following season the Jets were caught with their “tripping wall,” which injured a Miami player. That resulted in a lower level staff member being suspended and a small monetary fine. Somehow, the Jets avoided repeat offender status despite being caught cheating 2 years in row. That wasn’t mentioned when they got caught tampering, either. You’d think with the league doing so much to help them, the Jets would have more to show for it.

  81. kelsey59 says: Mar 22, 2016 12:59 AM

    The biggest whinners in the league. It starts at the top and continues all the way down to the fans.

  82. johnwaldron8 says: Mar 22, 2016 1:10 AM

    notajetsfan says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:22 PM

    Too many readers are confusing 2 lbs underweight with 2 PSI low. The actual weight difference of 2 PSI of air is miniscule, less than 1 ounce. The original blatant lies stating 2 lbs underweight just give ammunition to those that only get information from headlines and don’t care to understand the difference.
    ——————————————-

    Embarrassingly, both Jon Clayton and Ian O’Connor made comments when this story broke that a ball being 2 PSI under would be a big advantage because the footballs were 2 lbs lighter than normal. They both thought a football weighed over 12 lbs. It’s hard to believe that neither of them decided to, you know, pick up a football to check this before running with their hottakes.

  83. tv426 says: Mar 22, 2016 8:31 AM

    If NE gets their pick back, then the NFL should also give the Saints their (multiple) picks back for the idiotic “bounty gate” which was outright overturned in court. And while they are at it, they should pay Sean Payton for the 9 million he lost due to suspension for something that was proven in court to not have occurred. Same for GM Micky Loomis and the other coaches suspended.

    The NE case didn’t legally prove that Brady didn’t cheat – it simply proved that Goodell didn’t approach the punishment for cheating in the proper, consistent manner. That is hugely different than what occurred with the Saints – but the Saints didn’t get their picks back and by extension, neither should NE.

  84. joker65 says: Mar 22, 2016 9:15 AM

    mattwalshvideo says:
    Mar 21, 2016 7:55 PM
    There’s also zero chance deflatriot fans will ever get over their beloved team being labeled cheaters forever.

    It burns deep, we all know it.
    _____

    And here is the reason the haters post up. They actually know the Pats didn’t cheat, they just like “giving the business” to Pats fans. And to make themselves feel better about their own lousy team.

    As for Matt Walshs deep burning, he should probably get it checked out….

  85. j0esixpack says: Mar 22, 2016 9:25 AM

    Hi – Roger Goodell here.

    My bad – I just spent $20 million on a faux investigation and legal fees on something a 7th grade science fair project shows never happened.

    I’m just going to do the right thing now, admit that the NFL itself is corrupt and is trying to fix the outcome of games by suspending Brady with no cause, and give back the Patriots draft picks since it’s now accepted that no unnatural deflation occurred.

    (yeah – right… like that’s going to happen. The good thing is that everyone now knows that Goodell himself is the source of the “tarnish on the shield”)

  86. excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says: Mar 22, 2016 9:31 AM

    “And lastly, as I’ve said before, a deflated ball does not run, block or tackle. To attribute the Patriot’s success to PSI is ludicrous”

    A deflated ball is easier to catch, easier to hold on to, harder to knock out and harder to fumble. During the period roughly after Brady and Peyton asked for the rule change on ball handling, the Patriots then commenced to have a fumble rate so low it was out of line with the historic averages and the rest of the league. Yes the initial report was slightly flawed but number speak for themselves, the Patriot fumble rate was that low.

  87. j0esixpack says: Mar 22, 2016 10:12 AM

    The fumble myth is right up there with “11 of 12 were 2 psi under”

    Just a fabrication

    The Patriots had the lowest fumble rate in the NFL – not in 2014 – but in 2015 when the NFL checked the psi more rigorously

    The reality is that the footballs were not deflated AT ALL so the fact that the Pats have had a low fumble rate both pre and post FrameGate makes sense

    Always funny to see the Hatriots run out of “proof” that the balls were deflated now that science proved they were not and now having to resort to making things up

  88. johnheisman says: Mar 22, 2016 10:58 AM

    excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says:
    Mar 22, 2016 9:31 AM
    “Yes the initial report was slightly flawed but number speak for themselves, the Patriot fumble rate was that low.

    ———————————————————————
    The low fumble rate was debunked long ago. For example When you take out fumbles on kickoffs and punt returns it drastically changes things. Why does that matter? BECAUSE the kicking teams use their own prepared footballs.

    Quarterbacks also fumble frequently. Do you honestly think that Brady has a low fumble rate because of the PSI? The correct answer is he gets rid of the ball fast and the Patriots are a short passing team.

  89. RegisHawk says: Mar 22, 2016 11:11 AM

    This plays well to the ignorant masses, as you can see.

  90. psljax says: Mar 22, 2016 11:24 AM

    Report comment
    trailerparkking says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:49 PM
    Kraft has no leg to stand on. Since owning the team the patriots have repeatedly violated the rules and it goes all the way back to the Belicheat hire. The reality is Kraft cheated his business partners, many of them helped build the NFL, and carry more influence and value to this league than Kraft. Kraft should be lucky his team wasn’t stripped of wins and that he hasn’t been voted out. Kraft has no support from fellow owners because they are sick of the cheating culture he encourages in his organization.

    Not a Patriots fan here…you sir sound like a jilted Jets fan. Get over it and give the team some credit for being as good as they have been. I can only wish my team could even get to the Super bowl.

  91. DeflatorBeerSales says: Mar 22, 2016 11:52 AM

    Can I just get some new kicks please? The winter has made my Nike’s all soiled

  92. bullcharger says: Mar 22, 2016 12:07 PM

    Kraft has a really good point on the ideal gas law. Whether you think the Patriots cheated or not, the NFL levied the punishment on the Patriots prior to the full understanding of the ideal gas law and the punishment should be at least reduced.

  93. bullcharger says: Mar 22, 2016 12:15 PM

    trailerparkking says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:49 PM

    Kraft has no leg to stand on. Since owning the team the patriots have repeatedly violated the rules and it goes all the way back to the Belicheat hire. The reality is Kraft cheated his business partners, many of them helped build the NFL, and carry more influence and value to this league than Kraft. Kraft should be lucky his team wasn’t stripped of wins and that he hasn’t been voted out. Kraft has no support from fellow owners because they are sick of the cheating culture he encourages in his organization.

    ——————-

    Every team has had repeat violations. Look at Atlanta for example. The Patriots are no different then any other team in terms their violations.

    Not to mention, as part of the Wells investigation, everything was looked at in the Patriots football operation and nothing was found outside of what they already were accusing the Patriots of. Nothing. The whole purpose of the Wells investigation was to have a way in to the organization so they could find out what was going on, but it turned out it is just very smart people who work harder then everyone else along with a great QB. It really was a complete embarrassment for the league that they reviewed everything and didn’t find what they expected, so they hare hanging on to the stupid ball deflation, which any logical person knows doesn’t even effect the game what so ever. The officials touch the ball every play. Just get them to squeeze it for goodness sake. Stop measuring everything and making so many rules. The NFL is just trying to save face now.

  94. bullcharger says: Mar 22, 2016 12:23 PM

    excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says:
    Mar 22, 2016 9:31 AM

    “And lastly, as I’ve said before, a deflated ball does not run, block or tackle. To attribute the Patriot’s success to PSI is ludicrous”

    A deflated ball is easier to catch, easier to hold on to, harder to knock out and harder to fumble. During the period roughly after Brady and Peyton asked for the rule change on ball handling, the Patriots then commenced to have a fumble rate so low it was out of line with the historic averages and the rest of the league. Yes the initial report was slightly flawed but number speak for themselves, the Patriot fumble rate was that low.

    —————–

    and it still is that low. How can you explain that? Not a big enough sample size is the only argument, and it isn’t a very good one.

    The main reason the Patriots fumble rate is lower then other teams is Tom Brady. He takes care of the ball better than other QBs and the short passing game means less ball carrying in traffic where the ball can be knocked out from behind.

    It’s so silly that people think a quarter of a PSI, or whatever people think the balls were deflated by after the worst case application of the ideal gas law, would actually change anything about the game at all. It just wouldn’t.

  95. bullcharger says: Mar 22, 2016 12:26 PM

    kyblue33 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:59 PM

    Cheater Nation! Sad dishonest players, coach, owner, and fans that do not mind how they win! Cheat On!

    ————–

    I think Patriots fans are pretty happy actually.

  96. gofor2with3pointlead says: Mar 22, 2016 1:55 PM

    My only regret in this whole fiasco is that Foxboro isn’t in California, so when the “big one” comes, it and all of NE fans won’t blissfully slide into oblivion. Seriously, I’m the last guy that would wish any harm to a player, especially someone the caliber of Brady, but crippling, painful, contagious, prostate cancer keeps popping into my mind for some reason. Probably because it would be an epidemic in NE that take all the homers with him.

  97. mmack66 says: Mar 22, 2016 2:45 PM

    excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says:
    Mar 22, 2016 9:31 AM

    A deflated ball is easier to catch, easier to hold on to, harder to knock out and harder to fumble.
    ———————-

    How do you know this to be true?

    Aaron Rodgers like the footballs to be over-inflated. Why would he handicap his running backs and receivers?

  98. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 22, 2016 3:52 PM

    excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says:
    Mar 22, 2016 9:31 AM

    A deflated ball is easier to catch, easier to hold on to, harder to knock out and harder to fumble. During the period roughly after Brady and Peyton asked for the rule change on ball handling, the Patriots then commenced to have a fumble rate so low it was out of line with the historic averages and the rest of the league. Yes the initial report was slightly flawed but number speak for themselves, the Patriot fumble rate was that low.

    ———-

    for some reason I remember Judge Berman asking Daniel Nash what advantage deflated footballs would have, and he didn’t have an answer. well, not one that answered the question.

    I’m surprised the NFL didn’t get you on the stand to testify to all the advantages one would create.

  99. limakey says: Mar 22, 2016 5:15 PM

    Bullcharger, that is not corrected. The Wells report did include the idea gas law and determined the balls still fell below. The punishment also included failure to cooperate and the fact TB, JJ and JM were found not to be credible witnesses. Kraft knew all of this. And don’t you think Kraft sought out legal counsel before he made his choice and got advice from other sources? He knew he could not win.

  100. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 22, 2016 5:24 PM

    A deflated ball is easier to catch, easier to hold on to, harder to knock out and harder to fumble.
    —————
    May be true but surely everybody would agree that the effect on improving grip is minimal in comparison to that gained by wearing the super tacky gloves that EVERY skill position player wears.

  101. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 22, 2016 5:29 PM

    Bullcharger, that is not corrected. The Wells report did include the ideal gas law and determined the balls still fell below.
    —————–
    The Wells report via Exponent failed to use the gauge that the Ref said he used and thereby determined what they wanted to determine. They failed to prove anything.

  102. limakey says: Mar 22, 2016 5:54 PM

    That is not true. The evidence was explained as to how they determined which gauge was actually used. As well as explained why Walt Anderson was mistaken. I believe he also believed he could have been mistaken as well. All of these points have been explained in the comissioner’s ruling. I think this might have been covered in Brady’s appeal as well.

  103. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 22, 2016 7:00 PM

    We’ve all read it. You believe the slop that NFL HQ is feeding you because it fits your agenda. Most of us don’t believe any of it because it’s a little too convenient that the NFL takes Anderson’s recollection on every point except that which he was very likely to remember – which gauge he used. And that’s just ONE aspect of it. Their whole science hatchet job is an embarrassment to everyone with a brain.

    Why do you suppose NFL HQ didn’t hire Columbia Univ (or MIT or some other esteemed scholars) to do their studies as initially promised and instead chose the notoriously questionable Exponent? Because they’re all a bunch of liars and you just refuse to see it because you couldn’t be happier with their sting operation and framejob results.

    And that’s all you’ve got, apparently, as your laughably weak arguments for OVER A YEAR NOW continue to say nothing more than “I believe them because it says so right there in their report”. For a year now, you haven’t stepped up your trolling game at all. You’re still the same clown.

  104. limakey says: Mar 22, 2016 8:16 PM

    youknow, that is not fair. I have read all the documents and I have come to my conclusion. I look at the NFL’s, for lack of a better term, case. I read how they laid it out and how they supported their arguements. I have also read all the Pats documents and arguements. Here is what I am left with. In Brady’s appeal, he presented his scientific evidence and it did not hold up. Every point they brought up was in fact taken into consideration. Then you have the texts. Do I believe that the deflator was really talking about weight loss or or deflating footballs? Do I believe JM was going to ESPN because he was stealing from the Pats? Do I believe Brady, who lied through his agent, about his cell phone or I do believe he did what was best for him? Trust me, that most people, like my self, believe he is guilty because of the evidence. Not media reports, who in the hell trusts the media?

  105. zigthepatsfan says: Mar 22, 2016 8:49 PM

    chuckdizzlewhut says:
    Mar 21, 2016 8:09 PM
    I feel bad for patriots fans – it’s not their fault their team cheated.

    lol and I feel bad for people that believe Goodell, Wells exponent etc and believe a team had a scheme to take .2 to .4 PSI out of the footballs,,,but only some of the footballs though
    never mind the cheap crap gauges that were off by more than much, it was a scheme to cheat!

    lol,,,and you feel bad for me?

  106. mmack66 says: Mar 25, 2016 3:29 PM

    paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Mar 22, 2016 3:52 PM

    for some reason I remember Judge Berman asking Daniel Nash what advantage deflated footballs would have, and he didn’t have an answer. well, not one that answered the question.
    ———————-

    Berman then pointed out that it didn’t seem to be much of an advantage, since the Patriots played even better in the second half of the game, after the footballs had allegedly had air added to them.

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