Robert Kraft asked Roger Goodell for his first-rounder back

AP

Patriots owner Robert Kraft, in accepting the team’s Deflategate penalties, said he was dropping the matter for the good of the league.

But that doesn’t mean he was done with it.

Kraft told a group of reporters at the league’s owners meetings that he wrote commissioner Roger Goodell a letter, outlining his belief that the Patriots should get their first-round pick back.

We’ve done everything we can do,” Kraft said, via Karen Guregian of the Boston Herald.

Kraft said he wrote the letter more than a month ago, and wouldn’t tip his hand about any response he may or may not have gotten. The league took away this year’s first and a future fourth, and fined the team $1 million.

While the league’s punishment may have stemmed from flimsy science, Kraft also understands that it’s probably unlikely they’d get the 29th pick back, and his willingness to take one for the league initially may prevent him from collecting.

191 responses to “Robert Kraft asked Roger Goodell for his first-rounder back

  1. Get it back? They should have had 2 more taken away for cheating the game for the last 8 years.

  2. Ummmmmm….how about getting our cap money back when that thief Mara stole it for dumping contracts during an un-capped year? Hail to my new team the Washington Redskins.

  3. Stick to your gubs Roger. Let these cheaters know they can’t cheat and get away with it! If Tagliabue were commish, Kraft wouldn’t be owners and Brady would be banned from the sport!!!

  4. the pats are a despicable team. they just keep getting away with cheating. they dont deserve their picks back. brady should be have been suspended for a full year.

  5. Good luck negotiating with the Chief Lying Officer

    You have a better chance asking him for some of his salary back

    But I ask a question:

    Who in this process has lied more than the NFL and Goodell?

    Moreover, who in this process has lied BESIDES the NFL and Goodell?

  6. Kraft shouldn’t have capitulated so quickly, and he knows it now more than ever. He was in the dark about the validity of the claims and probably thought it was good PR and good for the league.

    Knowing what we know now, that there was no deflation, it was an expensive concession. Goodell is too far down the road of blind and unsubstantiated effort in this thing to give them back now. We just have to move on without those picks and rise above it.

  7. We know one thing for certain. This still won’t be enough for those who subscribe to the notion the Patriots were guilty because Kraft capitulated to the NFL

  8. I’m sure it was a nice letter and all, Mr. Kraft, but that ship has sailed. It would not be fair to the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, and now KC.

    When Bronko Nagurski hit ’em, they stayed hit. When Roger Goodell railroads ’em, they stay railroaded.

  9. Kraft, you might have had a better chance had you not caved like an old fool and fell for Fraudgers bait and switch.

    We don’t deserve it back and not because Brady/Pats did anything wrong- BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T – but because you are no longer sharp enough to run this organization.

    Step aside old man.

  10. Goodell works for the owners. Kraft will have the last word eventually. Goodell will never understand that.

  11. Roger should ask Kraft to first locate his integrity, he probably misplaced it next to his morals.

    Cheating has to have some consequences otherwise the Patriots will never stop.

  12. Under the circumstances, an interesting maneuver by Kraft. He has basically confirmed that he has requested the league consider more information and also requested reinstatement of the draft picks from Goodell, potentially putting Goodell’s responses on reviewl directly with the other 31 owners. In other words, review of the Deflategate/Goodell debacle may now have been placed on the desks of the 31 owners. Praising Goodell is Kraft’s way of saying he is after his draft picks not Goodell’s job (yet).

  13. .
    With 11 out of 12 balls more than 2 lbs under game weight in the AFCG, the only choice Goodell had to protect the integrity of the game was to apply his own brand of industrial justice.
    .

  14. Goodell sees himself as a “leader”, and constantly talks about “Integrity”. This is his opportunity to step up and do the right thing. But given the way the league has handled this throughout (numerous lies, leaks, etc.) I have zero confidence that they are capable of getting anything right.

    The league is successful IN SPITE of Goodell, not because of him – I don’t think he realizes this.

  15. What steps has the league taken to ensure footballs are and stay inflated to the prescribed pressures?

    That’s right, zero….

    Rog, drop the allegations, it’s a sham… Give the first round pick back, give the $1M back, and ex-ornate Brady from any wrong doing, whcih you know didn’t exist…

  16. With all of the comments that are sure to follow expressing hate for the Patriots, and how they got off easy, Kraft is goodell’s bff, etc etc etc. Why aren’t you people pissed at the NFL for not spending last year taking football measurements as a way to prove the Pats deflated footballs.

    The NFL had an entire season to collect the data that they needed, and they just decided, for no reason, to not take advantage of that opportunity??? Why are they so gung ho about going to court, but declined the opportunity to prove their case with actual data???

    Maybe the Pats broke some rules, maybe they didn’t. But “if” they did, the NFL dropped the ball. The NFL hasn’t shown one piece of evidence that proves the Patriots did something. And don’t type out your retort about the same lame talking points about cell phones and nick names, etc. The Patriots don’t have to prove innocence, the NFL has to prove guilt. And they failed.

  17. Bob Kraft threw his team, QB and fans under the bus to keep the peace amongst his billionaire buddies who were out to screw him and his franchise. It made no sense then nor does it make sense now. Given how badly Goodell looks in this entire episode those picks are gone forever.

  18. Brady never said to deflate the footballs to an illegal range. It’s like saying you like to drive your car right at the speed limit and the cops doing a full blown investigation after hearing that and using text messages from your friends that say “I’m on my way running late” as the evidence that speeding took place and then tried to impose the death penalty as the punishment for it. This whole thing has a very North Korean feel to it doesn’t it. It’s just the pats are the ones in trouble and everyone sides with the crazy dictator in Goodell becuase of that.

  19. Ummmmmm….how about getting our cap money back when that thief Mara stole it for dumping contracts during an un-capped year? Hail to my new team the Washington Redskins.
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    Cowboys and Redskins structured contracts to make up for incompetent cap management. Some penalty was warranted or there would have been no way the other owners would have agreed to the salary cap being reinstated. Time to get over it and move on.

  20. I like that the PFT commenters are sticking with the “cheaters” thing, even though it has been scientifically proven that there was no cheating. It makes me smile knowing that there are still things in life you can count on, and sub-70 IQ football fans making fools of themselves on the internet will not be left off that list!

  21. 6ball says:

    With 11 out of 12 balls more than 2 lbs under game weight

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    The Wells report reported that they were NOT 2Psi under. Looks like you swallow the Jets, I mean the NFL front office lies as reported by Mortenson. What about the 3 of 4 balls under 12.5 psi that belong to the Colts? Nothing was ever said about. Get your facts straight.

  22. As a Pats fan I think there is enough circumstantial evidence in Deflategate to warrant this punishment. Brady destroyed his cell phone which was a key evidence, he is on record stating his preference for soft footballs, the ball boy is nicknamed the deflator, and footballs were found to be under inflated. Coincidence? I doubt it.

  23. Still amazing how haters continue to claim cheating, even though it is clear to anyone without an agenda that the deflation was due to the conditions. Why else would the NFL be afraid to release their own test results from 2015 – because the same thing happened to those balls.

    Just a reminder – the Wells Report itself states that the footballs should have been between 11.32-11.52 psi at halftime. And on the gauge Walt Anderson recalls using, the average of the Patriot footballs they measured was 11.49 psi which is on the HIGH END of their own range.

    Can anyone who claims that cheating occurred explain that fact?

  24. patsfan says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:26 PM
    I’m sure it was a nice letter and all, Mr. Kraft, but that ship has sailed. It would not be fair to the Redskins, Cowboys, Saints, and now KC.

    When Bronko Nagurski hit ’em, they stayed hit. When Roger Goodell railroads ’em, they stay railroaded.
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    Not necessarily. If they stayed railroaded, Brady wouldn’t have even won his appeal.
    My personal take on it all is that EVEN IF Brady and the Patriots had straight out admitted that there was a scheme in place…the punishment dished out was still excessive–however, when Kraft says “We’ll take whatever punishment the league deems necessary” and then write a letter asking for the pick back makes me think one thing and one thing only….He was foolish in thinking it wouldn’t be as severe a punishment as it was. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t either–but i’m not a CEO or a billionaire.

  25. And out come the Patriots haters in full force. The NFL admitted in open court that they have no evidence that Brady or the Pats did anything or that any cheating even occurred. It’s like trying a guy for murder even though nobody is dead. And can one of the Haters crying about years of cheating please enumerate all the examples of cheating that allegedly took place?

  26. 6ball says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:28 PM
    .
    With 11 out of 12 balls more than 2 lbs under game weight in the AFCG, the only choice Goodell had to protect the integrity of the game was to apply his own brand of industrial justice.

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    Are you living under a rock? It has been reported many places (including this site) that ESPN’s Chris Mortensen came up with that story and attributed it to “unnamed sources”. It later turned out to be about as wrong as it could be.

  27. I don’t even want it back, I want to keep pummeling Roger’s precious little pet teams with our scrappy collection of low round and undrafted players. Listening to the whines about how we must be cheating with radios or sunspots after your teams of high priced mercenaries go down yet again fills me with joy. You and Goodell deserve each other.

  28. It’s not gonna happen.
    It should but the NFL will use the fact that Kraft already accepted the punishment as the nail in the coffin (albeit as was stated in an earlier comment, he did this while he was still in the dark about the degree of deception / flat out lying on the league’s end).

    As a Pats fan, they deserve their first rounder back. The fourth rounder, the million dollars and the biggest unjustified hit to any teams credibility in history should be punishment enough for not cooperating completely with a dirty league office that was clearly out to frame the Pats with a “make up call” for spygate.

  29. fireroger says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:25 PM
    We know one thing for certain. This still won’t be enough for those who subscribe to the notion the Patriots were guilty because Kraft capitulated to the NFL

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It has been pretty clear from the beginning that Kraft ate the punishment as part of a wink-nod agreement with Goodell that Brady wouldn’t have any additional punishments aimed at him if he did. Goodell didn’t come through with his part of the arrangement and that is when the Patriots started fighting this all in earnest.

    Kraft was counting on his personal relationship with Goodell to protect him, but the Ginger Hammer went rogue (again) and decided to abuse his powers.

  30. Science has long since proven that the Pat’s didn’t do anything to the footballs & the draft pick penalty is being assessed as a gift to a bunch of jealous owners, miffed at the fact the Pats have been too good for too long.

    If the NFL doesn’t return the picks, the league has officially jumped the shark. It can no longer be argued that the league office supports an even playing field. They are putting artificial & unjustified penalties in place to level the playing field.

    We might as well put a socialist like Bernie Sanders in charge of the NFL. All teams are equal! Reward mediocrity! Free wins for everyone! Participation trophies for Goodell’s cherished New York Jets!

  31. Some of the same haters just lurk around waiting for the word “Patriot” to pop up and pounce on the post.
    It’s quite amazing how misinformed these people can be. This was a witch hunt from day one.
    Kraft doesn’t have to go after the NFL to make his point.
    He needs to file against ESPN and all the rats will jump off the ship.

  32. I bet a bunch of other guys who pled guilty would just love to be let out of jail. Being a billionaire probably rules.

  33. All I can say is, “its about F’ing time he asked for them back”. In no time in NFL history has a team lost ANY draft picks, let alone a first round pick for doing absolutely NOTHING.

    I finding it both hilarious and telling that haters keep defending their soryy position by quoting Mort’s erroneous, report. Their position is SOOOOOO weak they still have to rely on that worthless lie to make their point. Don’t they realize how sad and pathetic they make themselves look.

    There is a part of me that almost hopes Brady loses the appeal so he would be forced to file a defamation suits and bring down the entire toxic waste dump the NFL has become

    Integrity was NEVER their watchword. Rather it’s always been “Hypocrisy

  34. get used to this Pats fans, you’ll be defending the cheating allegations for the rest of your life. It’ll never go away

  35. Not a pats fan but Kraft shouldn’t have agreed with the punishment last year and they’d still have the pick. Don’t complain about it almost a full year after the punishment is handed down. Makes Kraft sound short sided like the draft wasn’t going to happen this year and he wasn’t losing anything. Now the draft is next month and you want your pick back? I know Kraft is a sharp character but this makes him sound like a dolt.

  36. punkrock21 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 1:04 PM
    get used to this Pats fans, you’ll be defending the cheating allegations for the rest of your life. It’ll never go away

    ++++++++++++++++++
    Just like the Broncos, Steelers and all the other teams who have won more than the rest.

  37. Once the courts come back and finally Free Brady once and for all, I hope Brady, Kraft and the Patriots organization sue the NFL for leaking false information, and slander. Every reporter and media outlet for blowing this thing out of proportion without any evidence.

    This was a witch hunt from the word go you all know it stop being Goodells sheep.

  38. The comments about Deflategate on this site always amaze me. Has anyone actually read the facts on this or are you all still going by the false reports from that first week after the AFCC.

  39. When there is a false accusation levelled and the facts such as they are support the accused not the accuser, in most venues the punishment would certainly be rescinded . That this is probably not going to happen in this case shows that this was never about air pressure in footballs, but politics and power at the highest level of the NFL. And to add insult to injury, the man at the top has the unmitigated gall to say that what he does is on behalf of integrity! Hypocracy at its finest.

  40. logicalvoicepft says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:23 PM
    Stick to your gubs Roger. Let these cheaters know they can’t cheat and get away with it! If Tagliabue were commish, Kraft wouldn’t be owners
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    Tagliabue WAS commish when Kraft became owner….

  41. Picks should never have been taken away in the 1st place….
    Wells report isn’t worth the paper it was written on….
    Too little too late on Krafts Part…. Pats now have to live with his poor decision on accepting the penalties….
    For someone as smart & business savy as he is he sure boned up on that one….. NEVER make decisions based on unsubstantiated information until you know for sure the facts support the conclusions… A hard life lesson but Kraft should have already known this!!!!

  42. I still say that the Pats will get the pick back. Then we can all say that it was a SHAM.. All for ratings during NFL offseason…

  43. logicalvoicepft says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    Stick to your gubs Roger. Let these cheaters know they can’t cheat and get away with it! If Tagliabue were commish, Kraft wouldn’t be owners and Brady would be banned from the sport!!!
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    Gubs?

    If Tagliabue were still the commissioner, there would never have been any of the “spygate”, “bountygate”, or “framegate” nonsense.

  44. Kraft should absolutely get the pick back. Jim McNally only referred to himself as ‘The Deflator’ because he was on a diet trying to lose weight. This explanation completely absolves the Patriots and their employees from any tampering that may have taken place. What’s so hard to understand about this?

  45. Kraft writes private letters to Roger after a very public surrender over Roger’s outrageous sanctions. Belichick is attending the league meetings and is seen walking away and ignoring a Roger speech to other coaches/owners.
    This is why we Patriot fan LOVE Belichick and have lost respect for Kraft.

  46. I think some naive folks here are confusing the words “cheating” and “winning”. it makes them feel better to think that there’s some kind of shenanigans that keep the pats on top year in and year out. I agree it’s a pretty amazing achievement. If you want to call it “magical” or “supernatural” that might be a better word. Especially since every time the league/jets set them up as breaking the rules, they just get better. That’s has to be frustrating for a jets fan.

  47. terripet says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:49 PM

    Bob go have another drink you own a team that has a lying cheating head coach
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    Not according to the Wells report he isn’t. Do you know what it says in there about the head coach specifically?

  48. Because, of course, a missing phone (even though the phone logs were provided) somehow corroborates everything the NFL is spewing.
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    Parker went on to say that Brady’s explanation that he routinely destroys his phone “made no sense whatsoever.” Federal court reporter Max Stendahl of Law360 tweeted throughout the hearing and noted that Judge Denny Chin called evidence “compelling, if not overwhelming.”

  49. Ummmmmm….how about getting our cap money back when that thief Mara stole it for dumping contracts during an un-capped year? Hail to my new team the Washington Redskins.

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    That was ridiculous, too. No way that was justified. More proof that Roger should go.

  50. I was on the Patriots side in this deflate gate nonsense… Until I decided to see for myself… 3 different footballs aired to the same psi…3hrs of sitting outside 30+ degrees colder than the room temp they were aired in….the worst one was .2 psi less than before… So there’s science and then there’s facts…I changed my mind and now know the Patriots cheated….theres no way their footballs lost more than 1/2 pound of psi over the course of 2hrs in 40 degree weather… How bout them apples? Science is always changing for a reason…

  51. The Patriots had their allocation of draft picks deflated… sounds like perfect justice.

    The most unfortunate thing here is that Tom Brady would be an amazing quarterback and a fierce competitor under any circumstances but Belichick needed both Brady and a penchant for cheating whenever possible to have achieved anything worth mentioning.

  52. They should head off the snake and revoke his franchise for his repeated talk against the league, see the volin stuff

  53. I just figured it out; the owners (well a majority of the owners) need for this (deflategate) to finish playing out before they cut Roger loose so he can continue to take all the blame and shield his employers (the NFL) from the press and fans. I guess Mr. Kraft decided that “for the good of the league” did not apply to him or his franchise any longer.

  54. gornathanhiggers says:
    Mar 21, 2016 1:49 PM
    I was on the Patriots side in this deflate gate nonsense… Until I decided to see for myself… 3 different footballs aired to the same psi…3hrs of sitting outside 30+ degrees colder than the room temp they were aired in….the worst one was .2 psi less than before… So there’s science and then there’s facts…I changed my mind and now know the Patriots cheated….theres no way their footballs lost more than 1/2 pound of psi over the course of 2hrs in 40 degree weather… How bout them apples? Science is always changing for a reason…

    But did you change gauges between the time of the initial measurement and the second one? That’s what it looks like happened with the Well’s approach.

  55. Johnny Drunk
    Mar 21, 2016, 12:24 PM EDT
    the pats are a despicable team. they just keep getting away with cheating. they dont deserve their picks back. brady should be have been suspended for a full year.

    If they are always “getting away with cheating” why are we all on here talking about the punishment they received?! How can you be punished for something and get away with it at the same time. Nice contradiction lol.

  56. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:47 PM
    That’s funny. Meanwhile the league still plans to suspend Brady for 4 games.
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    The appeal is to uphold Goodell’s power to hand out punishments to the players. The case is based on Brady and the patriots cheating. He has to appeal to avoid losing to the players’ association. This is more about goodell maintaining his roll as judge, jury and executioner.

  57. igornathanhiggers says:
    I was on the Patriots side in this deflate gate nonsense… Until I decided to see for myself… 3 different footballs aired to the same psi…3hrs of sitting outside 30+ degrees colder than the room temp they were aired in….the worst one was .2 psi less than before… So there’s science and then there’s facts…I changed my mind and now know the Patriots cheated….theres no way their footballs lost more than 1/2 pound of psi over the course of 2hrs in 40 degree weather… How bout them apples? Science is always changing for a reason…

    _______

    No idea what your are trying to say…..

  58. OK Pats Fans – if the Wells report was so off center…then why did Big Daddy Kraft fall on the sword in the first place? There was a smoking gun & he knew it…his coach knew it & his quarterback knew it…don’t hand me ” it was a knee jerk reaction to what was happening” at that moment bull either…his coach was known cheat & he got caught…AGAIN…what did you expect Kraft to do, fire BB right before the Super Bowl?? I’d bet if they would’ve lost – he would have been canned. That Smoking Gun = Brady’s Phone

  59. This thing is never going away. Our grandkids will be talking about it. When you stop to think about what this is really all about, a few PSI in a FOOTBALL, it really is insane. I actually feel bad for Tom Brady.

    That said, watching Patriot fans whine and cry at every turn is priceless.

  60. If, after reading the court transcripts and the Federal judge’s ruling in favor of Tom Brady, you still believe that the Patriots were guilty of deflating balls to give themselves an edge, then you should be disbarred from jury duty for life.

    Also consider looking up the “Sports Science” segment on the subject that ESPN pulled when they decided to join the ranks of the media in pillorying the Patriots.

  61. “With 11 out of 12 balls more than 2 lbs under game weight in the AFCG, the only choice Goodell had to protect the integrity of the game was to apply his own brand of industrial justice.”

    Good to see Mike Kensil posting on here. How much does air weigh again?

  62. “his coach was known cheat & he got caught…AGAIN”

    Let’s see what that awesome Wells report has to say on the matter…

    “In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated. ”

    Can’t have it both ways…if you’r so convinced the Wells report is on point and proved Brady’s guilt, then you also have to accept it proves Belichick and Kraft did nothing. Kraft fell on his sword because he stupidly trusted that Goodell had conducted the legitimate investigation he claimed he had, and that it was in the league’s best interest to just accept the punishment.

  63. Collusion aside, you gave up your pick which means you felt some guilt in the matter. You can have your pick back when the NFL admits they screwed over the Cowboys and Redskins and give back our money and additional funding for lying and backstabbing these two teams. You want to know the real reason the NFL won’t fight the Redskins on their name? The Redskins will come back with the collusion episode in court which then the NFL will have that thrown in their faces which the NFLPA will surely love to see happen. The Skins and Boys now have a serious chit they can play if the NFL ever tries to do something these teams don’t like.

  64. lexd75 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:10 PM
    If, after reading the court transcripts and the Federal judge’s ruling in favor of Tom Brady, you still believe that the Patriots were guilty of deflating balls to give themselves an edge, then you should be disbarred from jury duty for life.
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    EXACTLY! All these ‘haters’ like to bring up the text messages between McNally and Jastremski like it’s some sort of smoking gun. McNally called himself ‘The Deflator’ because he was on a diet trying to lose weight, not because he was deflating FOOTBALLS! It’s clear as day and it’s SAD that anyone would doubt the explanation. At least Patriot fans understand this because they’re not STUPID!

  65. so when did the “flimsy science” thing start being accepted by any one not a patriots fan?? from all that I have read the only thing that has been deemed is that the NFLs process was wrong, nothing had been disproved about evidence obtained against Brady or the Patriots.. That being the case I as a fan would’ve accepted a change in process ensuring no similar actions in the future.. simple answer individual teams should not manage game balls, and both teams should use the same balls instead of each having there own for offence.

    I still don’t like Brady, BB, or the Patriots and yes the evidence says the cheated.. and yes they have been caught cheating multiple times before (only punished once) .. but this really needs to be put to bed

  66. must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury

  67. steamingpilerex says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:07 PM

    OK Pats Fans – if the Wells report was so off center…then why did Big Daddy Kraft fall on the sword in the first place?
    ———————–

    Because the only information he had at that time were the lies and incorrect information that the NFL/ESPN kept disseminating.

    Once the Pash Report came out, with the real information, they figured out that they had been duped by the league office, and went on the offensive.

  68. Kraft was trying to take one for the league here. He knew the NFL was full of it in DeflateGate. But he’s not Al Davis. He wasn’t going to take down the whole league to suit the purposes of his own team. He wanted to. But he’s a businessman first. He thinks of what’s good for the NFL over what’s good for his team. It is practically written in the NFL constitution that owners can’t sue the Commissioner and the league. Owners like Kraft are pretty much powerless against Roger Goodell.

    Goodell duped Kraft big time here. Kraft thought by taking one for the team that Goodell would treat Brady fairly and give him due process. Instead, Goodell railroaded and framed Brady, conducted a sting operation and used flimsy science to convict the Patriots of wrongdoing even though 99% of scientists knew that Goodell was full of it. I feel bad for Kraft. He deserved better and got taken for a ride by Goodell.

  69. They should get nothing back. Maybe next time Captain America (your QB) won’t destroy his cell phone that could have contained evidence and maybe answered many questions.

  70. I have an idea! Let’s have Brady tell the truth first and then have Belichick tell the truth and then we might give you that pick back. Oh, didn’t mean just deflategate. We want the whole truth.

  71. The fact that Goodell ordered the two equipment guys not to appear at the hearing and testify under oath- and the fact Brady did and he was the only one to do so- says it all. Any doubt I may have had about what Tom did or didn’t do permanently went away when I heard that.

    There’s only one reason why Goodell would not want to hear the equipment guys speak the truth and Patriot Hater won’t like it.

    🙂

  72. petersjeffrey36 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:29 PM

    must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury
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    do you realize that Brady is the only one that has testified under oath?

  73. mmack66 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 1:29 PM

    If Tagliabue were still the commissioner, there would never have been any of the “spygate”, “bountygate”, or “framegate” nonsense.
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    Can’t stress how accurate this statement is.

  74. They should get it back to help out with their other 11 draft picks.The are in trouble as they have not been able to add enough free agents to go along with their returning injured players.
    Patriots the worlds team.

  75. thetooloftools says: Mar 21, 2016 2:35 PM

    They should get nothing back. Maybe next time Captain America (your QB) won’t destroy his cell phone that could have contained evidence and maybe answered many questions.
    ………

    Wouldn’t have answered anything as the NFL had all of the ball boy texts and all of Brady’s cell data. He even went above and beyond and gave over emails which the NFL promptly leaked.

  76. petersjeffrey36 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:29 PM
    must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury
    ************************************
    He did testify under oath and penalty of perjury. I guess you were sleeping under your rock when he did it.

  77. All true NFL sportsman respect and admire this team because they believe to admire greatness is bad reflection on their own teams. They are secure sportsman and mature people. The haters are not sportsman and are unable to think in this manner.

    It’s just another way of reflecting their own team’s failure. over the years. Frustration eats them up inside “If you beat me up you must be cheating, because we can’t take responsibility for our own failures, “It’s just too painful” That’s in reality what makes a hater. They can never enjoy the game for what it is because they take it too personally. Lack of maturity puts them on a emotional par with children. That’s the painful truth.

  78. Correction “They don’t believe to admire greatness is a bad reflection on their own teams.

  79. hahaha doing it “for the league”, thats really cute. You gave Goodell is 44 million/yr salary and have endorsed him 100% through every decision (ray rice, adrian peterson, etc…) and said he has handled every punishment with the utmost professionalism and accuracy possible. The second he catches you cheating he is no good and horrible at his job and you publicly go after the league- so im sure you accepted the punishment for the good of the league lol.

  80. The rest of the league has been handicapped as a result of this. Which is exactly what the league must have wanted. Good luck other teams, you’re illegitimate – along with the rest of the NFL seasons. There’s your asterisk.

  81. Kraft did NOT plead guilty…. As a matter of fact he said he begrudgingly accepted the league judgement & while he disagrees with their sanctions he will accept their ruling on behalf of the betterment of the league & not fight the commish’a ruling….

  82. Oh Brother…when the Saint’s start squeaking about getting their “Bounty Gate” pick back – it’s time to hit the stop button because now every past perceived wrong will have to be made good ! THIS NEEDS TO END !!

  83. petersjeffrey36 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:29 PM
    must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury
    _______________

    A couple of fun facts: Brady actually did testify under oath. In the arbitration decision Goodell released he said Brady wasn’t credible because he denied speaking about it with the equipment guy after the story broke. When the transcript was unsealed by a federal judge it showed Brady discussed doing just that.

    So…imagine that, the PROVEN liar is is actually the commi$$ioner

  84. Alright I’m throwin in the towel….NE you win ! Kraft is God , Bill walks on water & Tom Brady is the second coming – OK ? And our other 31 teams are aligned with satan… signed: R.Goodell

  85. After reading some of these comments, I think some air needs to be removed from your heads!
    70 degree air shrinks at 40 degrees…end of story.

  86. It amazes me how people can be so blind because they’re so jealous of success. There is no way the words integrity and Goddell should be used simultaneously.

  87. McNally called himself ‘The Deflator’ because he was on a diet trying to lose weight, not because he was deflating FOOTBALLS!
    ====================
    LOLOL… Just think about that explanation for a moment… Its just a coincidence that he called himself the ‘deflator’ at exactly the precise time that the ‘deflategate’ investigation was getting started LOL

  88. The continued ignorance of posters regarding what happened is incredible. The NFL has done nothing but LIE from the start. The NFL lied about the PSI levels, the independence of the Wells/Pash study, who wanted the appeal sealed, & Tom’s testimony .
    The fact that some posters still believe the erroneous PSI levels is proof that the NFL smear & lie campaign has worked.
    They continues to lie last month in front of the 3 appeals judges.

  89. whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:28 PM
    Roger should ask Kraft to first locate his integrity, he probably misplaced it next to his morals.

    Cheating has to have some consequences otherwise the Patriots will never stop.
    _________________________________________

    And accusations should be proven before an character assassination takes place and penalties given. Pretty easy to lob bombs when you don’t have to prove anything.

  90. “Its just a coincidence that he called himself the ‘deflator’ at exactly the precise time that the ‘deflategate’ investigation was getting started LOL”

    He called himself “deflator” during one text message in May of 2014, 2 months before the team began training for the season, 3 months before the balls were taken to officials for the first game of the 2014 season, and 8 months before the AFC Championship.

  91. The NFL has taken the position that being right has no bearing on their levying of penalties against players or clubs. This is one of the most ridiculous situations any sport has ever experienced – a ruling body refusing to investigate the scientific and legal basis of its sanctions so it makes sense that it will stonewall the request. I know there are a lot of haters out there, but would you want to be judged by the standards the NFL is using? Give ’em their pick back and move on. Let the other 31 teams try to beat the Pats on the field. I think my Steelers will do it this year.

  92. petersjeffrey36 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:29 PM
    must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury
    ========================
    Take the stand where? For Berman? Nobody took the stand since the facts of the case weren’t being called into question. He took the stand for Goodell though.

  93. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 21, 2016 3:29 PM

    Too bad, he already gave them up. Time to own up to your punishment like a man unlike that girl Brady.
    ————————

    Kraft? He already did. Months ago.

    How is that there are still a bunch of bozos that don’t know anything about Framegate*?

  94. footballfanatic says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:56 PM
    hahaha doing it “for the league”, thats really cute. You gave Goodell is 44 million/yr salary and have endorsed him 100% through every decision (ray rice, adrian peterson, etc…) and said he has handled every punishment with the utmost professionalism and accuracy possible. The second he catches you cheating he is no good and horrible at his job and you publicly go after the league- so im sure you accepted the punishment for the good of the league lol.
    ________________________________________

    That all sounds great, except he didn’t catch anyone cheating. He accused the Patriots and TB of cheating, but fell well short of proving anything other than he and the NFL are liars. This $10m investigation exposed Goodell and the NFL/ESPN far more than the Patriots. Fact not Opinion. (Reports and Legal docs PROVE it. Nothing Goodell or NFL has, proves anything against the Patriots.)

  95. He will get his draft pick back. He is running the league, and it’s well known.

  96. We accept the million dollars and the future 4th as punishment for something that has not or can not been proved but we want our 1st rounder back. Uhh ! Surely you want it all back ?

  97. deneb1973 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 3:36 PM

    The NFL has taken the position that being right has no bearing on their levying of penalties against players or clubs. This is one of the most ridiculous situations any sport has ever experienced – a ruling body refusing to investigate the scientific and legal basis of its sanctions so it makes sense that it will stonewall the request. I know there are a lot of haters out there, but would you want to be judged by the standards the NFL is using? Give ’em their pick back and move on. Let the other 31 teams try to beat the Pats on the field. I think my Steelers will do it this year.
    ———————
    Agree, except last sentence, of course.

  98. Fat chance Bobby! You want the $1M back too?? When Prince Tom was charged with cheating you couldn’t roll over fast enough for the NFL in hopes of keeping Tommy from a suspension. You even waived your appeal rights. And now, with the 4 game suspension looming as possible via the Appeals Court you want it back????? Good luck with that Bobby. Wah, Wah, Wah! LOL!

  99. 13 straight years of picking at or near the end of the draft order. 9 of those years reaching at least the AFC championship game. 1 coach, 1 QB.

    There’s simply no stopping this franchise until it stops itself. It’s just unparalleled. And if anyone thinks that’s due to “cheating”, they’re not paying attention.

    From this lifelong Cowboys fan, I tip my hat.

  100. logicalvoicepft says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    Stick to your gubs Roger. Let these cheaters know they can’t cheat and get away with it! If Tagliabue were commish, Kraft wouldn’t be owners and Brady would be banned from the sport!!!
    ———————————————————-
    Tagliabue? The same Tagliabue who for all intents and purposes called Goodell a bold faced liar in his appeal ruling in the Saints bounty case? Give him the deflategate case and as we all can plainly see from the transcripts, that dope Goodell, just can’t help himself and lied through his teeth. Tagliabue would just have to cut and paste his ruling. Gimme a break. Let someone neutral look into spygate too, please! I have no doubt Lie-Dell destroyed the tapes because they showed there was no real harm done. Better to let the masses assume just like they did when they released blatant false data about psi.

  101. sb44champs says:
    Mar 21, 2016 3:23 PM

    LOLOL… Just think about that explanation for a moment… Its just a coincidence that he called himself the ‘deflator’ at exactly the precise time that the ‘deflategate’ investigation was getting started LOL
    ___________________

    The one and only time he ever referred to himself as that was in an unrelated personal text from May of 2014. That’s right all the ‘deflator’ talk comes from unrelated offseason text that Well$ not only took out of context but repeated 17 times in his report. So what your saying is the frame job goes back to to the previous offseason? Think about that for a moment…they were starting the investigation 8 months before the incident and they still screwed it up hopelessly.

  102. As a Pats fan I think there is enough circumstantial evidence in Deflategate to warrant this punishment. Brady destroyed his cell phone which was a key evidence, he is on record stating his preference for soft footballs, the ball boy is nicknamed the deflator, and footballs were found to be under inflated. Coincidence? I doubt it.

    ___________________________________

    Finally! One of you gets it.

  103. mmack, I have to disagee with post if PT was still commissioner, there would not have been spygate or bountygate or deflategate. There is no framegate. That is a myth that was started by Brady Senior. I am not saying they would have been handled the same, but they would have happened. And the commissioner, regardless who it was, would have to dealt with it. Think about how all these gates started. Deflategate, Colts warning about Pats’ like for soft balls and the rumor that balls were being deflated after the refs’ have inspected them. Bountygate did happen and TB said Goodell was right. However, he felt that it was already in the culture and that players were forced to go along with it because of mob mentalitly. Spygate, the advances in technolgy and I believe another team making compliants. And even Kraft said they were guilty.

  104. It is time to question the fairness of Commissioner Goodell. A full-blooded and extremely expensive witch hunt against Tom Brady and the New England team was conducted by the Commissioner and the alleged tampering was not proven. Tom Brady pursued the court case because he knew he was completely innocent.
    Time marches on from the game in 2014, but Goodell continues to try to inflict his pain in the form of the Draft picks. He only succeeds in making Bill Belichick and Tom Brady more determined to succeed.
    Fellow true Patriots please join me in prayer for justice by returning the Patriots Draft picks and cleanse the stench of Goodell from the NFL.

  105. steamingpilerex says:
    Mar 21, 2016 3:13 PM

    Alright I’m throwin in the towel….NE you win ! Kraft is God , Bill walks on water & Tom Brady is the second coming – OK ? And our other 31 teams are aligned with satan… signed: R.Goodell
    —————————

    That would have saved a lot of wasted time/money.

  106. Never proven guilty and it was proven the organization had no knowledge of any of it. If anything happened only Brady was responsible, therefore the pick was unjustly taken.

  107. Kraft didn’t fight the draft pick initially because he was making decisions based on false information.

    ESPN reported that the footballs were under-inflated by as much as 2 PSI. Not .2 PSI. The amount of deflation initially reported could not be explained by anything other than tampering.

    Goodell and the NFL knowingly allowed this false information to circulate, even through they already had the real data, data that was not shared with the Patriots.

    The Patriots should absolutely get their draft picks and money back!

  108. lambeauheap says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:25 PM
    Good luck negotiating with the Chief Lying Officer

    You have a better chance asking him for some of his salary back

    But I ask a question:

    Who in this process has lied more than the NFL and Goodell?

    Moreover, who in this process has lied BESIDES the NFL and Goodall?
    ————————————————————-
    How bout Tom Brady.

  109. Mar 21, 2016 4:39 PM
    As a Pats fan I think there is enough circumstantial evidence in Deflategate to warrant this punishment. Brady destroyed his cell phone which was a key evidence, he is on record stating his preference for soft footballs, the ball boy is nicknamed the deflator, and footballs were found to be under inflated. Coincidence? I doubt it.
    ———————————————-
    Except everything you said has already been proven false by the Wells report and other legal docs. A true Pars fan would k ow this…I smell a plant…Nice try though…

  110. seabrawk12 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 4:39 PM

    Finally! One of you gets it.
    ———————-

    That isn’t a Pats fan. That’s just a disgruntled Jets, Dolphins, and/or Bill fan.

  111. Robert, the fix was in from jump. No matter the evidence, you and Tommy were getting porked. Too bad you didn’t fight the good fight last spring.

  112. hehateme2 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 7:14 PM
    Serial cheaters pat brats. serial cheaters.
    Enjoy your legacy….
    ______________________
    Yes, we absolutely will enjoy our 4 Super Bowls and 6 AFC championships since 2000.

    So do you honestly think filming opposing coaches signals from an “unauthorized area” in a stadium or footballs deflating in the cold weather (yes, the ideal gas law is real) are the worst violations that you have ever seen?

    If so and you want to call them cheaters, go for it. But you should do the same with all other teams that have cheated the salary cap, had players suspended for PED use, and/or had other infractions. These numerous violations don’t get the same press because they are not the Patriots. And I am guessing that is also why you don’t care about those instances of cheating.

  113. trollaikman8 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:38 PM
    11 out of 12.
    ______________-

    Were fraudulently reported as being 2 psi under.

    You left out the rest of the sentence, fixed it for you

  114. the fastest way to shut these NE mouth breathers up is if they just admit they cheated (again) and accepted their penalties….we get it, you got a scrub qb who was a career back up in college, he can’t throw more than 5 yrds from the line of scrimmage with any accuracy and a roided up te who cant even spell his own name taking booze cruises to celebrate not winning the afccg..they’ve benefited tremendously by being in the weakest division in football and still can’t muster up a win in the playoffs.every single one of their superbowls is surrounded by some kind of controversy and the times there wasn’t any they just flat out got beat by a better team….this is what these arm chair scientists say we’re jealous of…HA yeah right..nobody is jealous of this morally corrupt side show.it does however get frustrating hearing the lies and denial ad nausium and the biased reporting by equally corrupt media outlets on *Roberta Krafts pay roll.In this country we’re suckers for giving 2nd 3rd and even 4th chances to those who own their transgressions and ask for forgiveness, so whaddya say *Patriots ? just have *Tammy girl step up to the mic and ask for forgiveness so we can just let this tired story go once and for all.they cheated period.we know it,they know it and you know it too….time to let go of the facade the charade is over and done.the verdict is GUILTY

  115. *patriots fans say “they hate us cause they aint us……

    everyone else says “they cheat us cause they can’t beat us”…..

    the burden of proof has been met the 2nd circuit court of appeals apparently agrees…..the verdict…GUILTY

  116. Cmon roger I will pay you under the table. You know, like how we always handle wins and SBs. Oh wait we can work something out. Lifetime supply of macaroni & cheese.

  117. bstngrdn
    Mar 21, 2016, 2:03 PM EDT
    gornathanhiggers says:
    Mar 21, 2016 1:49 PM
    I was on the Patriots side in this deflate gate nonsense… Until I decided to see for myself… 3 different footballs aired to the same psi…3hrs of sitting outside 30+ degrees colder than the room temp they were aired in….the worst one was .2 psi less than before… So there’s science and then there’s facts…I changed my mind and now know the Patriots cheated….theres no way their footballs lost more than 1/2 pound of psi over the course of 2hrs in 40 degree weather… How bout them apples? Science is always changing for a reason…

    Not that I’m questioning your scientific methods but the Colts balls lost more than
    0.2 PSI.

  118. All the haters should listen to steelerben. Finally a non-Patriots fan with some perspective. I’ve heard from Lions, Packers, Chiefs,Colts and even Giants fans that have taken the time to read all the facts and some of them have realized that the Pats got screwed over but steelerben has been able to articulate it perfectly. More of you should pay attention to what he says. He’s a smart man

  119. limakey says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:01 PM
    mmack, I have to disagee with post if PT was still commissioner, there would not have been spygate or bountygate or deflategate. There is no framegate. That is a myth that was started by Brady Senior. I am not saying they would have been handled the same, but they would have happened. And the commissioner, regardless who it was, would have to dealt with it. Think about how all these gates started. Deflategate, Colts warning about Pats’ like for soft balls and the rumor that balls were being deflated after the refs’ have inspected them. Bountygate did happen and TB said Goodell was right. However, he felt that it was already in the culture and that players were forced to go along with it because of mob mentalitly. Spygate, the advances in technolgy and I believe another team making compliants. And even Kraft said they were guilty.
    ————–
    Respectfully disagree. PT understood that shenanigans like stealing signals, bounties etc were all common place. PT wasn’t willing to take on the headache of dealing with those issues unlike RG. The biggest difference between the two is that PT emulated more Pete Rozell where he would provide notice a year ahead of time that changes would be coming and would work with the union to implement that change. Unlike with Fraudger who completely fails to understand that notice is a key requirement when dealing with a labor union. It’s a key competency between the two that most people still don’t seem to understand.

  120. 1historian says:
    Mar 22, 2016 12:06 PM
    It was nothing more than a PR move – Kraft never had a chance and he knew it.

    Meanwhile – the Pats have 11 picks in the draft.

    ——————————————————————–

    5 – 6th Round picks
    2 – 7th Round picks

    It’s going to be tough to build the depth needed late in the draft. Hitting on 2-3 of those picks would be considered a huge success.

  121. jag1959 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 3:11 PM
    petersjeffrey36 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 2:29 PM
    must also add there’s a reason why Brady didn’t take the stand to say he was innocent and other athletes have been caught in the trap before.. its called perjury
    _______________

    A couple of fun facts: Brady actually did testify under oath. In the arbitration decision Goodell released he said Brady wasn’t credible because he denied speaking about it with the equipment guy after the story broke. When the transcript was unsealed by a federal judge it showed Brady discussed doing just that.

    So…imagine that, the PROVEN liar is is actually the commi$$ioner

    —————
    Hey, when Tom said he didn’t know me…….he kinda lied. Commissioner said Tom’s testimony wasn’t believable.
    Tom was asked if he cheated….he said “I don’t think so”….not a yes or no. I’m kinda mad at him. He owes me some more kicks too. I never went to ESPN and the pats wouldn’t let me come clean either. Kids look up to him and it’s a bad look I’m sorry.

    I think the league has us dead in he rights again

  122. Mar 21, 2016 2:07 PM

    OK Pats Fans – if the Wells report was so off center…then why did Big Daddy Kraft fall on the sword in the first place?
    ———————–

    Because the only information he had at that time were the lies and incorrect information that the NFL/ESPN kept disseminating.

    Once the Pash Report came out, with the real information, they figured out that they had been duped by the league office, and went on the offensive.
    ________________________________________
    Unfortunately, the trolls stopped reading after you typed the word “because”…The facts make their heads spin and give them a Popsicle headache…Easier to just lob bombs and run away like they won the debate…

  123. Mar 21, 2016 5:15 PM
    lambeauheap says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:25 PM
    Good luck negotiating with the Chief Lying Officer

    You have a better chance asking him for some of his salary back

    But I ask a question:

    Who in this process has lied more than the NFL and Goodell?

    Moreover, who in this process has lied BESIDES the NFL and Goodall?
    ————————————————————-
    How bout Tom Brady.
    _______________________________________
    Great accusation…Now prove it…

    Let me help you, you can’t. Patriots Win Again!

  124. Has anybody checked on gaffya lately? Although she’s a little wrapped up in her own stupidity, I’d hate to see her disappear altogether and deprive us all of her laughably weak “insight”. But I do wish she and the rest of the 24/7 trolls could step up their games just a little bit. Please.

  125. frozenrope15 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:03 PM
    It’s amazing how the patriots always end up making themselves the victims!
    ________________________________________

    Pretty easy when they are…Haters and Trolls are the only ones still saying otherwise. Which one are you?

  126. terripet says:
    Mar 21, 2016 12:49 PM

    Bob go have another drink you own a team that has a lying cheating head coach
    _____________________________________

    Patriots win the argument every time with two simple words:

    PROVE IT!

    You can’t, NFL can’t, ESPN can’t, Trolling Haters can’t….The best they all can do is play make believe and pretend they won the debate out there on troll fantasy island…These are the same people that fantasize about **** and tarnished Super Bowls. Just checked NFL.com. No *** or mention of tarnished SBs…Fact not Opinion! That’s gotta hurt!

    Run along now….

  127. Fireroger, here is the thing, back PR and PT’s rule, owners went behind closed doors and everything was handled behind closed doors, especially to the players and the public. If a player was hurt and could not play, he did not get paid for that game. Times have evolved. And while I do believe that ‘shennigans’ did happen. The players and the coaches have ratched it up so much that it could no longer be passed off as that. Do you seriously call it a ‘shennigan’ when coaches not only tell players which player to target but where their injury is? For all the scandals that have broken out, the coaches and the players have no one to blame but themselves. They have forced this. And Roger understands he can’t hide from the public. Perfect example, domestic violence. Do you really think players have only started beating their wives or girlfriends under Goodell’s watch?

  128. The only thing deflecting more is my workout trampoline. I take size 11s if you feel like contributing to my kicks fund

  129. gaffya says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:40 PM
    the fastest way to shut these NE mouth breathers up is if they just admit they cheated (again) and accepted their penalties….we get it, you got a scrub qb who was a career back up in college, he can’t throw more than 5 yrds from the line of scrimmage with any accuracy and a roided up te who cant even spell his own name taking booze cruises to celebrate not winning the afccg..they’ve benefited tremendously by being in the weakest division in football and still can’t muster up a win in the playoffs.every single one of their superbowls is surrounded by some kind of controversy and the times there wasn’t any they just flat out got beat by a better team….this is what these arm chair scientists say we’re jealous of…HA yeah right..nobody is jealous of this morally corrupt side show.it does however get frustrating hearing the lies and denial ad nausium and the biased reporting by equally corrupt media outlets on *Roberta Krafts pay roll.In this country we’re suckers for giving 2nd 3rd and even 4th chances to those who own their transgressions and ask for forgiveness, so whaddya say *Patriots ? just have *Tammy girl step up to the mic and ask for forgiveness so we can just let this tired story go once and for all.they cheated period.we know it,they know it and you know it too….time to let go of the facade the charade is over and done.the verdict is GUILTY
    ______________________________________

    Awe, how cute. Name calling. You trolls have the best little names and #s. Try putting some of that effort into proving the accusations and earn some credibility for all the other trolls.

    Unproven Accusations = Crybaby Soup from the Loser’s Circle.

    State some proof! You can’t…Patriots Win Again!

    Run along now, the adults are talking here…

  130. Kraft is playing the Ideal Gas Law angle that Pats Nation is hanging onto.
    Good luck with that . GoodellMustGo😊. He is a bully and has handled this very poorly.
    Kraft said” they did their own PSI testing and for whatever reason they are sharing the results of these tests with anyone”
    It’s an outrage , I know.
    In 2007 same thing happened.
    Four days after penalizing Pats draft picks and fining them Roger destroyed more evidence found in Ernie Adams bat cave in Gillette Stadium right there in Foxboro.
    He didn’t share any of that with anyone either. 31 other owners were outraged with how that was handled. GoodellMustGo😊.

  131. DeflatorBeerSales says:
    Mar 22, 2016 8:06 PM

    The only thing deflecting more is my workout trampoline. I take size 11s if you feel like contributing to my kicks fund
    _________________________________________

    Yeah, deflecting is what happens when falsely accused and forced to defend yourself. It would be so much easier for everyone if the people making all the accusations provided proof along with it. For some reason, none of you are able to provide proof. Only, speculation, accusations and opinions based on already proven NFL /ESPN lies.

    20 Years of NFL Dominance!

  132. Yes, Roger and how about giving the Saints back the draft choices you took from them illegally, because of coaches rhetoric regarding bounties. There was never any proof that it actually existed and the Saints were in the lower 25% of penalties that year. You have been wrong on almost every decision you made.

  133. Anyone remember when Jastremski texted his wife in October 2014 after the Jets game “Tom was right, the refs screwed us. The balls were nearly 16 psi, should have been 13.”

    Does anyone ever talk about that? That’s literally the only reference to a specific ball PSI in the entire deflategate saga, one of the main players in the saga telling us what the Patriots set the footballs at. Shouldn’t that be the end of this nonsense?

  134. If the NFL only agreed with the gauge Walt Anderson said he used, it would have been over. Walt used the gauge over 40 times, surly he remembers which one it was. But because it exonerated the Pats the NFL said no, that is not the gauge that was used!!!
    Liars!

  135. limakey says:
    Mar 22, 2016 7:19 PM
    Fireroger, here is the thing, back PR and PT’s rule, owners went behind closed doors and everything was handled behind closed doors, especially to the players and the public. If a player was hurt and could not play, he did not get paid for that game. Times have evolved. And while I do believe that ‘shennigans’ did happen. The players and the coaches have ratched it up so much that it could no longer be passed off as that. Do you seriously call it a ‘shennigan’ when coaches not only tell players which player to target but where their injury is? For all the scandals that have broken out, the coaches and the players have no one to blame but themselves. They have forced this. And Roger understands he can’t hide from the public. Perfect example, domestic violence. Do you really think players have only started beating their wives or girlfriends under Goodell’s watch?
    ========================
    I’m not suggesting everything is indefensible. Certainly PR and PT had issues. Some they dealt with and some they didn’t (sometimes for very good reasons). The main problem with RG is not with evolving issues. It’s with handling those issues that have been around for a long time. Do I applaud him for dealing with player discipline? Sure. But that’s where it ends. His execution and his methods for doing so leave more than a little to be desired. Bordering on utter incompetence. First and foremost having the NFL investigate every incident is FLAWED. Imposing discipline outside of (and in most cases inconsistently with) neutral 3rd parties is also FLAWED. Doing all of that without working with the union is also FLAWED. It’s fine to take on player discipline. It’s not fine to do in the draconian fashion it’s being done currently.

    None of this even speaks to the game itself where legislating rules has devolved to a proverbial dartboard approach. You watch 8 games and more than likely you’ll have 4 determined by PI calls and the other 4 not calling PI on identical plays. The level of inconsistency on calls on a weekly basis is literally too numerous to even begin to list. Below the helmet and above the knees … heck they can’t even get holding calls consistently. Quite honestly spygate, deflategate, bountygate, whatever gate is the LEAST of the problems with the NFL lately.

  136. straightfactshomie says:
    Mar 23, 2016 10:38 AM

    Anyone remember when Jastremski texted his wife in October 2014 after the Jets game “Tom was right, the refs screwed us. The balls were nearly 16 psi, should have been 13.”

    Does anyone ever talk about that? That’s literally the only reference to a specific ball PSI in the entire deflategate saga, one of the main players in the saga telling us what the Patriots set the footballs at. Shouldn’t that be the end of this nonsense?
    ———————————-

    Pash and Goodell interpreted that as participation in a scheme to deflate footballs.

    I know, it doesn’t make sense to me either.

  137. plum54 says:
    Mar 23, 2016 11:09 AM

    If the NFL only agreed with the gauge Walt Anderson said he used, it would have been over. Walt used the gauge over 40 times, surly he remembers which one it was. But because it exonerated the Pats the NFL said no, that is not the gauge that was used!!!
    Liars!
    ————————-

    It’s a complete travesty that an organization as big as the NFL, in a game as big as the AFCCG, was using two non-calibrated gauges that looked like someone ran over them with a car.

    Couldn’t they at least have picked up a bag of new needles to use?

    And then they used the non-matching results from those gauges as if they had any validity to the proceedings.

    And some people accept the results!

  138. If the NFL decided to use the gauge WAnderson claimed he used we aren’t talking about a text or a missing phone that somehow proves a conspiracy to deflate footballs.

  139. If the “integrity of the game” was so important, and the league allegedly caught a team “cheating”, in a game where they were absolutely dominating the other team, then why didn’t they stop the game and award the victory to the Colts?

  140. If footballs don’t deflate naturally due to the IGL than why did the NFL swap out the footballs at halftime in Jan during the Min\Sea game? If none of that is ‘real’ why bother?

  141. And now we know that more than two weeks ago the Commissioner sent a response to Mr. Kraft to deny his request. Yet Mr. Kraft comes forth and presents the letter to the public as if he didn’t already have the answer. Example of how he is trying to sway public opinion on this issue and not very forthright.

  142. chawk12thman says:
    Mar 25, 2016 1:19 AM
    And now we know that more than two weeks ago the Commissioner sent a response to Mr. Kraft to deny his request. Yet Mr. Kraft comes forth and presents the letter to the public as if he didn’t already have the answer. Example of how he is trying to sway public opinion on this issue and not very forthright.
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    Absolutely. Can’t blame him too much considering the permanent damage the NFL has caused his brand. Even the most ardent Patriots fans knew nothing would come of it anyway.

  143. jag1959 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 9:21 PM
    trollaikman8 says:
    Mar 21, 2016 5:38 PM
    11 out of 12.
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    Were fraudulently reported as being 2 psi under.

    You left out the rest of the sentence, fixed it for you

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    Even the “11 of 12” in that statement was inaccurate. There should have only been 10 or 11. 1 was given to a fan after a TD and the Colts intercepted 1. I forget what happened w the intercepted one but seeing as the Colts illegally stuck a needle in it multiple times that one shouldn’t be counted.

    but no, just an honest mistake by the league/ESPN putting that out there and not correcting for months

  144. wsupock says: Yo Kraft, the Rams an the Eagles are asking for the superbowl back due to spygate.
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    Seeing as they can’t comprehend that violating a new 2006 rule in 2007 doesn’t affect Super Bowls from 2001-2004, I think we can safely say that it’s a basic lack of IQ that truly has prevented these teams from winning a Super Bowl

    A lot of fans and players seem to have a problem comprehending logic

    Either that or they don’t know what the word “retracted” means

    These are likely the folks who still think “11 out of 12” footballs were under-inflated – or don’t quite realize that the Laws of Physics DO indeed apply to the NFL

    One tries not to always feel intellectually superior to other NFL fans, but damn, you guys make it tough sometimes

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