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Goodell: “Not close” to any agreement with union on changes to his power

Executive director of the NFL Players Association Smith and NFL Commissioner Goodell speak outside the NFL Players Association Headquarters in Washington Reuters

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell doesn’t want to get into a back and forth with reporters about his power.

But he’s willing to have a back-and-forth with the players union.

Asked Wednesday about reports that he’d be willing to cede authority over player discipline, Goodell suggested such talk about a potential deal with the NFLPA  which would reduce his power was premature.

“We have had discussions about discipline process for decades,” he said. “We’re always open to that. If we can find a better discipline system let’s do it. . . .

“We’re not close to an agreement by any stretch.”

Goodell emphasized he’d love to discuss things “directly with the union,” emphasizing he wasn’t getting into such a discussion in a press conference. But any such give-back on his part is likely to require something from players, such as an extension to the current CBA, so it’s obviously going to be a huge discussion.

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  1. seriously423 says: Mar 23, 2016 11:24 AM

    he lies and lies and lies.

    despicaple human being.

    fire him today!

  2. bigjdve says: Mar 23, 2016 11:26 AM

    Of course their not close. The PA is full or morons if they think that they are going to get this change without a HUGE concession or concessions.

    The fact that they keep believing that there could be a change to one of the biggest PR portions of the NFL, they are out of their minds.

    I don’t think that the players are willing to give up what it would take.

  3. edelmanfanclub says: Mar 23, 2016 11:29 AM

    Anyone who can make up punishments and hand them out as he pleases with no structure has too much power.

  4. bullcharger says: Mar 23, 2016 11:30 AM

    I think it’s about time that the players swallow their hatred for all things Patriots and support Brady vocally in his fight against Goodell. If he can win that will be a big shot to Goodell and his power.

  5. steelerben says: Mar 23, 2016 11:32 AM

    Current positions

    NFLPA: We want Goodell’s power reduced.

    Goodell: Yeah, no.

  6. rportkid says: Mar 23, 2016 11:33 AM

    Any article headline that begins with “Goodell” is a joke. All this guy knows how to do is lie. He is destroying the NFL. Already has destroyed the NFL’s credibility on any issue.

  7. cptcavalier says: Mar 23, 2016 11:36 AM

    The players are not going to swallow their hatred for the Patriots. Right or wrong, many players actually believe they have cheated in some fashion. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, just stating how some players have mentioned their beliefs to the press. Additionally, players resent all the times their teams have lost to the Patriots and in their mind sets cost them an opportunity toward that ring. It’s not that they are bad sports, it’s just the reality of the human condition. The NFL will give nothing away unless the NLFPA gives up something in return. This has been how Labor & Management have dealt with issues since unions came into being. Quid Pro Quo.

  8. trailerparkking says: Mar 23, 2016 11:37 AM

    I hate to be that guy but…..I TOLD YOU!
    The NFLPA lied.

  9. iamkillerfin says: Mar 23, 2016 11:37 AM

    JUST QUIT GOODELL YOU SUCK & KILLING THE NFL!!!

  10. jackdaniels1 says: Mar 23, 2016 11:38 AM

    Time for you to all bow down and pay homage to Der Fuhrer

  11. sb44champs says: Mar 23, 2016 11:40 AM

    “Not close” to any agreement with union on changes to his power
    =======================
    Well that’s just unfortunate

  12. lexd75 says: Mar 23, 2016 11:46 AM

    Good luck NFLPA. Der F-word (rhymes with Muhrer) doesn’t look like he’s ever been said “no” to his entire life. I wonder what favor was being repaid when the son of a US Senator was appointed (after 5 rounds of voting) Commissioner.

  13. patsbrat says: Mar 23, 2016 11:46 AM

    We all need to understand that Goodell speaks in a different tongue – executive speak. So what he says does not equal what he means.

    This is the perfect example. When he says things like:

    Goodell emphasized he’d love to discuss things “directly with the union,”…

    …it really means that “the union can talk, and I can say “No”.

  14. domedaddy says: Mar 23, 2016 11:46 AM

    Hey Goodell haters, this means that the majority of the 32 owners have yet to agree to any change in Goodell’s powers. Do you get it yet?

  15. jag1959 says: Mar 23, 2016 11:55 AM

    This is the guy that presided over the attempted theft of over $100M from the shared funds pool. Where are the questions about that piece of outright fraud? Or how about asking about the progress of the ongoing exhaustive searches for the league’s copy of the Ray Rice video and both teams PSI gauges from the 2015 AFCCG that were last seen in the league’s possession? Instead we get the tired questions about the disciplinary process. Anyone with half a brain knows all they are going to get in response to that question is the same answer over and over. No substantive change to the disciplinary process will happen without serious negotiations and the players giving up the equivalent of their first born even though it would be in the league’s best interest to distance Roger from any arbitrations.

  16. j0esixpack says: Mar 23, 2016 11:57 AM

    An Open Letter to all NFL owners:

    Your own rules say that only someone of “unquestioned integrity” can be Commissioner. Goodell’s integrity is very much in question after being caught lying by two federal court judges and other scandals you all are certainly familiar with.

    If the owners won’t follow their own rules and replace Goodell, why should players be expected to follow the rules too?

    Fire Goodell and restore the Integrity of the Game.

    When the Commissioner of the NFL is cheating the NFL itself is unfair and anti-trust exemption should be suspended.

  17. BobbyHanks63 says: Mar 23, 2016 11:59 AM

    I hate the guy for being unable to compromise his position even when it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that his position is very wrong.

    I believe he got this job because of his Senator father position and it shows in everything he does. He feels entitled plays out in his dealings with other people. Roger you didn’t get the job because you deserved it, please someone tell him that.

    He exhibits little or no humility when dealing with others. That is not the kind of leader in a league of professional football players. Why, because although they are very physically tough many of them are also very immature and too emotional. They need a professional to deal with not an executioner.

    The league needed some assurance back when Robber Goodell got the job, that guys like Senator Arlen Spector a fierce Eagles fan who was very upset the league burned the Spygate tapes and pissed the Patriots beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl and he was threatening the loss of the league’s Anti-exemption status which would have cost the league millions of dollars of revenue by the loss of their monopoly of television air time. A move to have friends in Washington by hiring U.S. Senator Charles Goodell’s son was inevitable. I think he’s killing the spirit of players and fans and he should go. Check it out yourself because maybe I hate the guy too much.

  18. dwarftosser says: Mar 23, 2016 11:59 AM

    ALL WILL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!

  19. FinFan68 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:00 PM

    I am probably in the minority here considering the hatred for Goodell but I think the disciplinary authority should rest with the commissioner. (There will be other guys after Goodell…maybe) My issue is that Goodell issues discipline based on pressure and profitability via sponsor and public opinion. He has used flimsy principles and evidence to send a message and the union lawyers eat him up on his inconsistencies. That is an issue with the man rather than the power in the position. Bear in mind the union will defend every infraction as if it never happened. There is no integrity on either side.

    The disciplinary process is not a legal fight based on rules of evidence and criminal law. It is a standard of behavior with deviation consequences outlined in the policy and it is no different than with any other major business. The lawyers turn it into a battle over justification but the only battle that should matter is whether the discipline is consistent with the policy. Whether the policy itself is just has already been decided when the league and union agreed to the terms. As long as the commissioner adheres to the policy there is no issue no matter how unfair players may feel it to be. If you do x, then you get y punishment. Goodell’s main problem is he tries to shoehorn certain things into a categories where they do not belong while ignoring other issues many deem more critical.

    The job of the commissioner is to manage the league and ensure it is viability in the future. Just because one man messe it up does not mean the system is broken. It just means that guy should get back in line or be replaced.

  20. weepingjebus says: Mar 23, 2016 12:04 PM

    “And now clause four: the Commissioner shall not make up a bunch of stuff in contravention of the facts, science, and/or basic logic just because he thinks a player or team is too successful.”
    “Unacceptable! No deal!”

  21. stoopidfool says: Mar 23, 2016 12:06 PM

    goodell is a lying sack of poop

  22. superpatriotsfan says: Mar 23, 2016 12:11 PM

    It’s funny that Pats fans want him out because he has the balls to call them out on their cheating ways. Meanwhile, he has done a solid for the Pats during their spygate years for destroying the evidence.

  23. scottbrowning2 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:14 PM

    Nothing changes now. But when the CBA expires the lockout that insues will be epic. I doubt any player will cede the existing powers of the commissioner. Matt Light said it the best, “Goodell is going to be the man who fumbles those powers away.”

  24. 6ball says: Mar 23, 2016 12:18 PM

    .
    People should remember that the seeds of the yearlong strike that’s coming in 2020 were sown by Goodell long before the contract expired.
    .

  25. collectordude says: Mar 23, 2016 12:23 PM

    I believe goodell should resign. However he’s just a puppet for the owners.

  26. tylawspick6 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:27 PM

    You better get close.

    Brady must sue for defamation NOW.

    End this lying, corrupt weasel’s tenure once and for all.

  27. tylawspick6 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:41 PM

    Goodell destroyed the Spygate tapes because it showed other teams under the ROzelle and Tagtliabue eras, filming NE’s sidelines from their respective sideline.

    Hence, the sideline element only came into question in 2006, when Goodell changed the wording of that rule to include sidelines, on 9.6.06.

    This is why NE never did anything wrong in 2006.

    Only when BB mocked Maningi in retaliation of Manboobs asking for a 2nd camera spot in Foxborough in January 2007, did BB return fire in NY, mocking Manboobs and Woody Moron.

    So, if Goodell had shown the tapes to the public, AFTER his odd and Draconian punishment, it would appear he was unfairly ruling just against the Pats in a situation where everyone knows BB was only mocking Mangini in broad daylight.

    That is why Goodell freaked out when Matt Walsh said he had tapes. Goodell wanted those to make sure none of them had other teams filming NE from the sideline angle.

    He wants the public to believe the sideline thingy was ALWAYS in the rule, when it wasn’t. LOL

    It’s also why he sent that memo in 2006, too. He made a change to the wording, so every single NFL team had to be notified. That’s illegal and we’ve seen them alter wording of rules IN SEASON before, too. It happened in 2013 with the PAT/FG “second level” thing.

    And now? Well, it is proven AGAIN, that he’s treating NE unfairly by taking the lead on a witch hunt started by Harbaugh–>Pagano–>Grigson.

    I also think Kravtiz knew about this sting option BEFORE the AFC Title game.

    If you read the Indy Star papers the week leading up to the game, their loser mentality had all these articles about how NE cheats, which is why they are great. It was so strange to read that leading into a title game, but now it all makes sense.

    Kravitz knew this sting was a possibility. Once Kravitz was on the plane to fly home, he tweeted knowing about the sting, but Goodell didn’t know until Monday morning?

    LMAO

    What a lie.

    Goodell signed off on the attempted sting job, the INT from DQwell Jackson gave them an opening to execute it, and off Grigson went to Troy Vincent before halftime, and the framejob was underway.

    Yep.

    This is what we factually know at this point, so why is it ok for Goodell to try to cheat my team, colluding with other AFC teams in doing so, whether it’s the Jets and the Spygate lie of 2007 or Deflategate with Baltimore and Indy, two friendly franchises, conspiring with this idea of a natural PSI drop below 12.5 in a 20 degree weather dfrop and rainy situation?

    Of course Troy Vincent knows about the Ideal Gas LAw.

    We’re supposed to believe a college graduate with a 6 figure+ crooked salary has never put air in his tires or checked his tires in the heat of the summer?

    Over-inflated tires are more dangerous than under-inflated tires, at times, especially on the highway.

    Arrest, try and convict Goodell and all involved.

    We know, Roger. We know.We know you authorized this lie known as deflating footballs with no logical motive for a QB to even do so, just so could punish the entire franchise to weaken for parity purposes.

    This is fraud, plain and simple.

    This corruption and trying to cheat my team, on principle alone, cannot sustain.

    This is unreal. He lied about Ray Rice, got caught, got cught here, but his belligerence in the face of the NFL customer is absolutely repulsive.

  28. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:49 PM

    It’s about time we start thinking of ourselves as NFL customers that root for a particular team, as opposed to being a fan of a team.

    The NFL refers to us as fans and we buy it, but they think of us as customers.

  29. abninf says: Mar 23, 2016 12:54 PM

    When it’s a union vs whoever I will always side with whoever. The union doesn’t pay the commissioner. If I was Goodell I wouldn’t even speak with them. Unions need to be eradicated from society.

  30. BobbyHanks63 says: Mar 23, 2016 12:56 PM

    superpatriots fan like all you who rag on the Patriots you don’t understand why Goodell burnt the tapes. But listen to yourselves you say Goodell did the Patriots a favor. What favor it was clear a bell we’ve all talked about it a million times. They filmed from the “WRONG LOCATION” Belichick admitted as much but because the whole league was doing it they started to take it for granted my thinking anyway. But Robber Goodell burned the tapes after giving Belichick a $5oo.ooo fine and took away a 1st round pick and he knew the tapes if turned over the public and Senator Arlen Spector it would have shown many teams doing the same thing. So what was Robber Goodell going to do? Take a 1st round pick for all those teams and hand 1/2 million dollars fines to all the head coaches, NO because the point was to take the Patriots down like it was last year because the cry baby owners want to neuter the Patriots and their superior coach so they can win. That’s all it was then and what it’s about now. Your truths are lie and are wrong!

    And I know you don’t care you just want the Patriots to be neutered just like they did. I have suggestion grow a set of balls along with the other teams and beat the Patriot straight up without makin excuses every time they win even though they have been picking from the bottom of the pile for years and missing 2 first round picks it still wasn’t enough to stop them. So take Robber Goodell and shove him up
    where the light doesn’t shine. Oh it would help if you learned to read and research the truth.

  31. trailerparkking says: Mar 23, 2016 1:14 PM

    Let me break this down because some people don’t understand. The NFLPA agreed to these terms, they have zero bargaining power because they agreed to these terms. A contract is a contract, period. The NFLPA knew they had no leverage so they floated this to the media in hopes public pressure would force the NFL to give in.

  32. silverhat78 says: Mar 23, 2016 1:14 PM

    Complain all you want, the NFL does not care. They will continue to do what they want until the consumer (Fans) stop buying their product.
    You hit the NFL in the pocket book, they will listen. They would have to in order to survive.

  33. RE LEE says: Mar 23, 2016 1:38 PM

    Goodell is a thief and a liar. He’s capricious and petty. Fining the Jets pin money for tampering then turns around and bury another team for the same offense. He goes after the Patriots at a drop of the hat because he’s an ex- Jets who hates the Pats because his team is a perennial loser.
    Unfortunately he’s there to stay… for a while yet. Those who hate the Pats and adore him will find out he’s a scum once their own team get in trouble with him.

  34. pastanow says: Mar 23, 2016 1:42 PM

    Photo caption: Roger says, “we’re playing a game in North Korea next. They have a nice stadium and they are big Chargers fans I tell you.”

  35. streetyson says: Mar 23, 2016 1:56 PM

    Judge, jury & executioner (who persistently ignores his CBA remit), chief of police (who lets his friends off), chief prosecutor (with the added power of stopping defenses from cross-examining his prosecution witnesses), chief of forensics (with a habit of falsifying evidence), and chief of propaganda (with a track record of lying and destroying what little integrity the league had). And all of it with the powerful backing of a cabal of multi-billionaires. Which tiny aspect of one of these many abuses of power will Park Ave discuss in return for the players’ souls?

  36. painsyndicate says: Mar 23, 2016 2:14 PM

    Roger do not cave in to this. Someone has to stand against the criminal behavior of some of the players in the NFL.

    I salute you.

  37. finfansince68 says: Mar 23, 2016 2:27 PM

    NFLPA & Goodell : Dumb & Dumber

  38. bryonneufeld says: Mar 23, 2016 3:30 PM

    All the Goodell hate is hilarious to me. The NFL is a business and he runs it that way – and judging by the ratings, most of you haters actually are loving the product. You think Goodell should be some champion for the fans, but he is a champion for the owners because those are his bosses. It’s windy at the top, and it always will be.

  39. usmutts says: Mar 23, 2016 3:36 PM

    The NFLPA doesn’t have to give up a single thing to persuade Goodell to give over disciplinary authority to an impartial party jointly selected by the owners and the union. There are two ways:

    1. Strike until he agrees.

    2. Persuade a U.S.Senator to start hearings on revoking the NFL’s exemption from anti-trust laws.

  40. myhawks1976 says: Mar 23, 2016 3:50 PM

    FinFan68 says:
    Mar 23, 2016 12:00 PM
    I am probably in the minority here considering the hatred for Goodell but I think the disciplinary authority should rest with the commissioner. (There will be other guys after Goodell…maybe) My issue is that Goodell issues discipline based on pressure and profitability via sponsor and public opinion. He has used flimsy principles and evidence to send a message and the union lawyers eat him up on his inconsistencies. That is an issue with the man rather than the power in the position. Bear in mind the union will defend every infraction as if it never happened. There is no integrity on either side.

    The disciplinary process is not a legal fight based on rules of evidence and criminal law. It is a standard of behavior with deviation consequences outlined in the policy and it is no different than with any other major business. The lawyers turn it into a battle over justification but the only battle that should matter is whether the discipline is consistent with the policy. Whether the policy itself is just has already been decided when the league and union agreed to the terms. As long as the commissioner adheres to the policy there is no issue no matter how unfair players may feel it to be. If you do x, then you get y punishment. Goodell’s main problem is he tries to shoehorn certain things into a categories where they do not belong while ignoring other issues many deem more critical.

    The job of the commissioner is to manage the league and ensure it is viability in the future. Just because one man messe it up does not mean the system is broken. It just means that guy should get back in line or be replaced.

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    PhinFan, I actually agree with you. None of us had issue with Tagliabue when he was dishing out punishment. It was fair and balanced. The Commissioner should hold this control and power because it is HIS job to maintain the image and flow of the league. He NEEDS this power to do his job effectively.

    The problem, is Goodell shouldn’t be the man holding the job. Hell, bring Tags back.

  41. mmack66 says: Mar 23, 2016 4:04 PM

    FinFan68 says:
    Mar 23, 2016 12:00 PM

    I am probably in the minority here considering the hatred for Goodell but I think the disciplinary authority should rest with the commissioner.
    ————————–

    Of course it should. The problem is that Goodell is completely inept when it comes to matters of discipline.

    There’s a reason he is 0-5, soon to be 0-6, in Federal court, and it isn’t because of the political leanings of any particular judge.

  42. FinFan68 says: Mar 23, 2016 4:14 PM

    usmutts says:
    Mar 23, 2016 3:36 PM
    The NFLPA doesn’t have to give up a single thing to persuade Goodell to give over disciplinary authority to an impartial party jointly selected by the owners and the union.
    ~~~~~~~
    That sounds good but it is flawed logic. This is not a legal justice system where two parties are equal. This is an employer/employee dispute over discipline. The disciplinary authority must have skin in the game. You would not allow a neighbor that everybody likes to handle the discipline of your kids because it is your household and they would never have to deal with any consequences, intended or otherwise. The premise here is not any different.

    The discipline should not be about punishing a particular person. It is about being a viable deterrent to behavior that diminishes from the game and NFL brand. The fix here is to install integrity into the system, not change the system entirely. Granted, Goodell has harmed his reputation and is likely unable to reestablish any form of perceived integrity no matter what he does. Even with an impartial 3rd party, whatever side loses will complain the decision was rigged.

  43. ravenswinsuperbowl47 says: Mar 23, 2016 4:17 PM

    quid pro quo:

    (1) NFL concede to the NFLPA the use of an independent outside punishment adjudicator following NFL punishment guidelines (doesn’t cost the owners a nickel)

    (2) NFLPA concede to the NFL the 17 regular season games + two exhibitions + 2 byes scheduling (owners and players make multi-billions)

    (3) extend the NFL-NFLPA agreement 5 additional years (everybody wins: TV networks, NFL, NFLPA, fans)

    0NFLPA concedes to 17

  44. pwellz says: Mar 23, 2016 4:52 PM

    When is your boy Sheldon Richardson getting suspended Jetdell?

  45. 46namredyps11 says: Mar 23, 2016 4:55 PM

    This issue is why Deflategate still lives. The NFL doesn’t honestly care one ioda about PSI. But if they lose the case the gauntlet of discipline isn’t nearly as ironclad as the commissioner would like. But if they win it’s carte blanche for Lil Rogey to be able to levy draconian punishment at his whim.

  46. rootpain says: Mar 23, 2016 5:07 PM

    That’s what I hate about the NFL meetings. They always remind me that Goodell is still commissioner because we are slapped over and over again by his unintelligible statements. Just fire him already.

  47. aljack88 says: Mar 23, 2016 5:11 PM

    …when the next PBA agreement talks bog down and looks like a strike is for certain (like last time), I don’t think Kraft will step in and make the compromise settlement to avert said strike (like last time).

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