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NFL’s lawyer in Brady appeal is pressed to correct misstatements to Court

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When NFL appellate counsel Paul Clement made misstatements of fact to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in connection with the Tom Brady case, NFLPA lawyer Jeffrey Kessler didn’t correct him. After the hearing ended, another lawyer with an interest in the case did.

New York Law School professor of law Robert Blecker, who previously submitted a “friend of the court” brief attacking the league’s handling of the Brady case, submitted a letter to the appeals court on March 17 detailing the misstatements of fact made by Clement on behalf of the NFL.

First, Blecker points out in his letter that the NFL’s written brief, as submitted by Clement, claims that Jim McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” in text messages sent to John Jastremski in May 2015 “and continuing during the 2014-2015 season.” The truth, as explained by Blecker, is that McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” only once, in May 2014.

Second, Blecker tells the appeals court that the NFL, through Clement, said that “Brady’s counsel was present for many of the interviews” in connection with Brady’s argument that hius lawyers should have had access to the notes of the interviews conducted by Ted Wells and his firm. As Blecker writes, Brady’s lawyers were present for only one interview — Brady’s.

Third, Blecker explains that the NFL’s characterization, through Clement, of the issue of football tampering in connection with the AFC championship game is misleading because it’s incomplete in multiple ways, adhering to the notion that the Patriots necessarily cheated because their footballs measured below 12.5 PSI and pushing once again the misrepresentation that none of the Colts’ footballs were below 12.5, when in fact three of the four balls measured below 12.5 PSI on one of the two gauges used.

Fourth, Blecker raises the misstatement that happened during the oral argument on March 3, when Clement said Commissioner Roger Goodell deemed Brady’s testimony at the internal appeal hearing not credible because he said that he talked to Jastremski only about Super Bowl ball preparation in the days after the deflation scandal emerged. However, the transcript of the hearing before Goodell makes clear that Brady admitted that he talked to Jastremski about both Super Bowl football preparation and the deflation controversy.

Blecker next cites the legal duty of candor to the court and argues that Clement has the obligation to correct the misstatements.

Attached to the letter from Blecker to the appeals court is a copy of a letter that Patriots counsel Daniel L. Goldberg sent to Clement in late January, informing him of various misstatements contained in the brief submitted by Clement on the NFL’s behalf. Clement did not attempt to correct any of the misstatements mentioned in Goldberg’s letter until after the submission of Blecker’s letter on March 17.

It’s unclear whether and to what extent this issue will cloud the appeals court’s assessment of the case. However, on a day when the NFL has gone to great pains to correct alleged misstatements made by the New York Times regarding the ongoing concussion problem, the failure to rectify fairly clear and obvious errors represents a bad look for a league office that claims to be committed to integrity and accuracy.

UPDATE 11:42 p.m. ET: Earlier this week, Clement responded to Blecker’s letter, calling the attack on alleged misstatements “procedurally improper and wholly unfounded.”

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  1. orrnumberfour says: Mar 24, 2016 8:37 PM

    It is “more probable than not” that the NFL is “generally aware” that their high priced hired gun lawyer lied to the court.

    #firegoodell

  2. jag1959 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:37 PM

    “the failure to rectify fairly clear and obvious errors represents a bad look for a league office that claims to be committed to integrity and accuracy.”

    Obvious to any rational person that is. The Goodellbots here at PFT still trot out every one of those errors as gospel on each and every framegate article

  3. ly008 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:37 PM

    Goodell lied about the data, lied about Brady’s testimony, lied about who suspended the ball guys, falsely accused the Pats of switching k-balls (until it emerged an NFL official was stealing them), and he used a fraudulent report which furthermore dismissed the ref’s testimony about which needle was used. Goodell lied about the independence of the Wells report and it’s unannounced NFL co-author, lied about the Pats denying Wells access to the ball guys (Pats merely said the 5th interrogation would need to be by phone because the guy had a full-time job elsewhere). Goidell denied Brady a fair appeal, made much of Brady “destroying” his phone but then refused to accept Brady’s phone logs offered up at the appeal, oh and he leaked Brady’s generously-given private emails. Then he further exaggerated Wells’ finding into “a scheme” despite no additional evidence. Then he ran to a court of his choice before his victim could even respond. Every step and every breath by Goodell has reeked of lies and destroyed integrity on this case.

  4. smokingthebowels says: Mar 24, 2016 8:38 PM

    Enough already!

    Look how Brady played last year

    -Jets fan

  5. logast says: Mar 24, 2016 8:39 PM

    How pathetic. (Not surprised) The NFL attorney misrepresenting things in front of the Court of Appeals.

    This should be immediately dismissed, with TB12 facing no further sanction.

  6. 4rings4brady says: Mar 24, 2016 8:39 PM

    Roger Goodell and the league officers who have pushed this whole deflate gate business have done more to harm the integrity of the league than anything than any thing else, except for the Broncos cheating to salary cap to steal two super bowl trophies.

  7. 33vikes says: Mar 24, 2016 8:40 PM

    Who writes these headlines? Unless the Court says something about it, it’s irrelevant.

  8. jstamper3377 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:40 PM

    At this point I can only conclude that the NFL truly doesn’t understand the definition of integrity.

  9. metitometin says: Mar 24, 2016 8:41 PM

    Do the NFL owners realize that Goodell’s handling of DeflateGate and the way he and Ted Wells fabricated evidence and seemingly framed Brady, has turned the league into a laughingstock? I understand many people hate the Patriots and feel they had it coming but when Goodell and Ted Wells use such flimsy evidence and a junk science firm to try and convict Brady, it’s clear that they’re getting desperate to just pin something on the Patriots to get back in the other owners’ good graces who so despise the Patriots for winning too much. The NFL looks worse every day but as long as the owners are counting their millions, I’m sure they don’t care.

  10. mindelm42 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:41 PM

    Why doesn’t the NFL just drop this and move on; obviously they bit off more than they could chew and keep looking worse and worse.

  11. mceatons1 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:50 PM

    As a fan of the league I’m getting sick of how shady the league acts. Every month we learn of something new. Forget about the Brady case think of all the other stories over the past year.

  12. ipdaily69 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:53 PM

    NFL = FIFA North America

  13. raidernation37 says: Mar 24, 2016 8:56 PM

    I really don’t like the Patriots but the more the nfl pushes this case the more I am inclined to believe the National Integrity League is completely inept and most likely just plain wrong on the whole thing

  14. lgw91s says: Mar 24, 2016 8:58 PM

    Goodell is considerably more low profile since this fiasco. He only appears at the minimum press conferences. Owners meetings, the draft , beginning of the season, and the SB. The league, and especially him, has lost immeasurable public confidence. The draft picks will never be returned, but he could restore some credibility by dropping this appeal – and proclaiming it ‘all for the good of the game, and putting this behind.’
    I think it is what the owners, the players, and the fans want.

  15. weepingjebus says: Mar 24, 2016 8:59 PM

    Remember, Goodell had the gall to call the cops and ask them to watch for Patriots fans that theoretically might break into one of his chintzy vacation homes. I’ve seen trap door spiders with better morals.

  16. steelbreeze676 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:00 PM

    Shred the owners. They should be in prison for this concussion cover up and lies. Give people the truth, let them work with the truth. Personally I think they should consider this criminal activity.

  17. theringisthething says: Mar 24, 2016 9:01 PM

    Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine!

  18. plum54 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:05 PM

    If the NFL had just relied on Walt Anderson’s “best recollection” regarding which gauge had been used as they did regarding everything else he said .there would be no framgate.

  19. segreganset says: Mar 24, 2016 9:09 PM

    Goodell refuses to release the results of the league’s “random” ball pressure tests conducted last season. This means the results validate the Patriot’s innocence. We know this, because if those results proved anything else, the league would have pushed those numbers down our throats 24/7 on their network, and on ESPN. This league is beginning to make me sick.

  20. imodan says: Mar 24, 2016 9:10 PM

    Bless your heart Florio. You seriously think Goodell and 31 owners not named Kraft give 2 hoots about integrity? That ship sailed long long ago.

  21. bigbits2 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:11 PM

    Paul Clement is absolutely the best attorney money can buy so I’m sure he wordsmithed the snot out of those baseless and fanciful concerns from Joe Everyday lawyer.

  22. dbradley29 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:18 PM

    At the end of the day, the fact that Fuhrer Goodell was explicitly shown lying about the Brady testimony, still the only one to be under oath in all of this, and it didn’t even register a blip on the national radar means no one cares what the NFL says or does, as long as it is against the Patriots they have free-range to do whatever the hell they want.

  23. toybkshr says: Mar 24, 2016 9:26 PM

    Even the most fervent Pats Haters out there have to concede the League is looking really low-down on this whole thing!

  24. chawk12thman says: Mar 24, 2016 9:28 PM

    If true; they combined are not significant enough nor directly related to the issue before the court to warrant dismissal. The issues need to be corrected and I suspect that the court will take them into consideration and make note. However, I still think the court will overturn and reinstate the penalty and affirm the Commissioner’s Authority under the CBA.

  25. nbptma1 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:39 PM

    The NFL’s attempt to ‘frame’ the Patriots is a laughable joke. Again, the league has all the text messages from McNally and Jazstremski and there are NO text messages that clearly indicate a scheme to deflate footballs.

  26. chawk12thman says: Mar 24, 2016 9:40 PM

    I read everyone’s comments here and in other topics and truly believe that most of you all are not actually reading the material and just the headlines. The appeal is not about 12.5 PSI, not about how many times someone admitted they were the “deflator” or what lawyers asked what questions to whom at depositions…..It is about the Commissioner’s authority under the CBA and whether or not the he can impose the penalty he did on Brady after following the procedure he followed.

    The rest of this stuff is all Lawyer driven smoke screen, and is being projected by both sides. In fact, with PFT (Florio) leading the blog charge, another Lawyer BTW, it is in 3D. The truth of the matter is that if pressed, Florio would probably say the NFL will prevail. Not that he wants that, it just is what likely will be the outcome.

  27. koolaid69 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:43 PM

    Just another Golf Channel viewer calling in to the PGA tour…..

  28. dbarnes67 says: Mar 24, 2016 9:53 PM

    Love the cheaters whine.

  29. thermo321 says: Mar 24, 2016 10:01 PM

    koolaid69 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:43 PM
    Just another Golf Channel viewer calling in to the PGA tour….

    __________________________

    Yep, and how many times do those viewers spot infractions that result in a penalty for the golfer? It happens almost every week

  30. vuudu says: Mar 24, 2016 10:06 PM

    They keep using the word integrity, but I don’t think it means what they think it means.

  31. dodgerlakerfan1969 says: Mar 24, 2016 10:10 PM

    The funniest thing about reading these posts is that there is always those few morons with the thumbs down. Lol. Football fans aren’t typically the smartest people but wow.

  32. bencoates57 says: Mar 24, 2016 10:28 PM

    I know a lot of you are wondering how a farce like this could occur. As a social psychologist, I believe I can shed some light on this. There are 2 reasons Goodell can behave the way he us behaving: (1) Goodell knows he is not representing himself but the wishes and beliefs of the owners. (2) the owners can behave the way they are behaving because they are being fronted / anonymized by Goodell. The combination of these two facts produces a state of drindividuation that facilitates really bizarre behavior fir which no one is held accountable

  33. rogerWWEgoodell says: Mar 24, 2016 10:33 PM

    At what point do some nfl owners get embarrassed about who the have running the league and do something? NFL is looking like a total joke run by complete idiots, and it’s not just on deflategate.

  34. bencoates57 says: Mar 24, 2016 10:34 PM

    I wonder how this would affect the one judge who reportedly said the evidence is overwhelming.

  35. jd7920 says: Mar 24, 2016 10:59 PM

    Presenting misleading “facts” to ESPN or the late night talk show is one thing; this arrogant moron did it in front of the Second Appeal Judges.
    Either he didn’t do his homework–or he’s billing the NFL big bucks for simply coping notes from Goodell’s minion, Jeff Pash.

  36. justintuckrule says: Mar 24, 2016 11:22 PM

    What am I missing? Each of the misstatements HELP Brady. Sounds like the attorney just screwed up rather than trying to mislead the court.

  37. hexy27 says: Mar 24, 2016 11:22 PM

    Pats fans should class action the NFL for the draft picks back. That would be a slam dunk case. The NFL is committing fraud, slander, perjury, you name it.

  38. NinersRule says: Mar 24, 2016 11:24 PM

    So in other words, the league counsel got some tidbits wrong and this Cheatriot Fan who is a lawyer started nitpicking it.

    Huge news– like the assistant only occassionally called himself “The Deflator.”

    What a joke are this organization and its fans.

    Worst cheaters in American sports history. And the most brazen.

  39. Hitdog18 says: Mar 24, 2016 11:26 PM

    Worst part is, Goodell will. probably get what he wants

  40. truthinesshurts says: Mar 24, 2016 11:29 PM

    Incompetence or unethical acts ? Subject to review by the bar association either way ?

  41. bencoates57 says: Mar 24, 2016 11:39 PM

    None of this is tangential as some of you claim. The judges actually raised the issue of evidence in the hearing. This ought to settle things.

  42. amadorcountyca says: Mar 24, 2016 11:42 PM

    It is taken for granted now that the nfl offices on Park Ave lie like a rug.

  43. partmachine says: Mar 24, 2016 11:54 PM

    They still haven’t shown the part where a new ball was brought in just for the Edelman/Amendola TD against the Ravens.

    That pancake was wobbling through the air because two 5’6″ white guys can’t play with full size balls.

  44. mufngruf says: Mar 25, 2016 4:04 AM

    ah yes.. now the union is relying on semantics.. and things that WEREN’T said…
    and let’s not forget that it must have been Goodell who told Tommy to destroy his phone and then come up with that REALLY BELIEVEABLE story about how he “Always destroys his phones” – even though he still has the last two…
    But the Pats didn’t even make it to the big dance last year.. and they ain’t going back there this year either….

  45. ebdug says: Mar 25, 2016 4:41 AM

    Appeals court judges are not going to be identified with Goodell.

  46. bostonlawyer2 says: Mar 25, 2016 6:52 AM

    Goodell will lie to get what he wants. Kraft is a sheep in sheep’s clothing. It will be up to the fans to be disruptive at games or to find another way to intercede. Where is the outrage from the fan base?

  47. rcosborne59 says: Mar 25, 2016 7:02 AM

    Typical of the whole NFL witch hunt against Bob Kraft and the Patriots. Bend the truth and then deny. This is nothing more than petty and jealous owners out to get someone who is more successful than they are. PATHETIC!!!!

  48. 315judman says: Mar 25, 2016 7:29 AM

    Pats should have grabbed RG3 when they had the chance. Here’s to 4 games with Goroppalo in 2016. Cheats!

  49. worldizending says: Mar 25, 2016 7:38 AM

    partmachine says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:54 PM
    They still haven’t shown the part where a new ball was brought in just for the Edelman/Amendola TD against the Ravens.

    That pancake was wobbling through the air because two 5’6″ white guys can’t play with full size balls.
    ====================================
    The officials put the balls in play. If they are not happy with a ball, they remove it and put another in play. The teams do not select which balls are used.

  50. footballfanatic says: Mar 25, 2016 7:43 AM

    ok so brady is a big boy, if he wants his lawyers there, they will be. Its not like the NFL said they CANT be there. And OMG, he said deflator in ’14 and not ’15!!!! Thats a game changer……but he DID call himself that right???? haha this is ridiculous to say it changes anything. Thats like a lawyer saying “the defendent was there on tues the 12th” and another lawyer saying “actually tues was the 11th”, ok, but either way he was there on that tues right????

  51. unbreakable02215 says: Mar 25, 2016 7:45 AM

    A long time ago it was time for this charade and character assassination to end . The NFL has embarrassed themselves throughout this entire process and it’s time to put a stop to it.

    Why they would attempt to tarnish the legacy of the game’s greatest ambassador in an attempt to save face is beyond comprehension .

    It shows that the commissioner of that league has got to be relieved of his duties .

  52. rollotomasi14 says: Mar 25, 2016 7:50 AM

    Even after the story of the NFL misrepresenting the concussion study there are people still on the NFL’s side on this? Are you serious? The NFL has been caught in lie after lie.

  53. rportkid says: Mar 25, 2016 8:09 AM

    No surprise here. Goodell has turned the NFL into a corrupt organization. He is a serial liar, incompetent buffoon, and leader of his mob. Everything they do is dishonest. He and his clowns are destroying the NFL as we knew it back in the day.

  54. dwp151522 says: Mar 25, 2016 8:11 AM

    Make no mistake about it. It isn’t Goodell attacking the Pats. It is the other 31 owners.

  55. gregdixon3300 says: Mar 25, 2016 8:20 AM

    Hey Pats fans – should I remind you that Brady lied to all of the judges. Yes – he ordered the code red on the balls. Pats fans if you want the truth – you can’t handle the truth.

    Good luck with your DEFLATOR diet Pats fans. Heard that too much chowder leads to in inflated fans.

  56. nepatriot1 says: Mar 25, 2016 8:29 AM

    Fans have all the ability to create change. Refuse to watch or attend an NFL game in the preseason and continue into the regular season until Goodell is replaced. Simple. Dollars are agents of change in all aspects of life, especially in the NFL why else are they trying to ram an 18 game regular season and Europe down our throats?

  57. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Mar 25, 2016 8:31 AM

    chawk12thman says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:40 PM
    It is about the Commissioner’s authority under the CBA and whether or not the he can impose the penalty he did on Brady after following the procedure he followed.
    __________________

    It’s unfortunate you apparently did not also read the decision the league is appealing. Berman’s decision to vacate the suspension spoke directly to the commissioner’s authority and it’s limits under both the CBA and federal law. The CBA specifically calls for notice of potential punishments. All arbitration proceedings under federal law are required to be unbiased in their observance of procedural fairness and equal access. Those are the three tenets of Berman’s decision. Berman went so far as to use the legally damning phrase that the commissioner ‘could be said to have dispensed his own brand of industrial justice.’ Regardless of the league’s opinion of the commissioner’s omnipotence, no CBA can be interpreted to have bargained away federally protected rights.

    Further, Berman bashed the NFL’s disciplining of Brady by using the broad policy banning “conduct detrimental” to the game, calling it “legally misplaced.”

  58. plum54 says: Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM

    Ninersrule: the lawyer in question is in fact NOT a fan of the 4 time super bowl champion Pats, he is from New York, he is a professor of law @ a NY school.
    Just like John Leonard the MIT professor , who is an Eagles fan who has debunked the science of the wells report.
    There was no tampering .

  59. whatjusthapped says: Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM

    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”? Worse yet, the Patriots attempt to defend it by rolling out the story that he got that nickname because he was trying to lose weight.

    Its laughable but yet every Patriot apologist will latch on this as if it is even plausible. Anything to get away from the putrid stench of cheating.

  60. mototax says: Mar 25, 2016 8:34 AM

    bencoates57 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 10:28 PM
    I know a lot of you are wondering how a farce like this could occur. As a social psychologist, I believe I can shed some light on this. There are 2 reasons Goodell can behave the way he us behaving: (1) Goodell knows he is not representing himself but the wishes and beliefs of the owners. (2) the owners can behave the way they are behaving because they are being fronted / anonymized by Goodell. The combination of these two facts produces a state of drindividuation that facilitates really bizarre behavior fir which no one is held accountable
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Great post! You just described Congress.

  61. musicfootballprogramming says: Mar 25, 2016 8:37 AM

    The problem here is that Goodell’s job is not to take a vote and do what 31 out of 32 teams want. His job is to do what is RIGHT and be impartial, which in large part means protecting the Patriots from the rest of the league. They have been good for too long, and rather than impose the same fiscal restraint the Patriots have – depth over stars – they blow $100 million on freaking Suh.

    The first professional sports commissioner was brought in to baseball after the black sox scandal to make sure the game kept integrity and the faith of the fans.

    Goodell is doing the opposite for the NFL.

    Chiefs fans: he’s hearing the appeal of his own ruling for YOUR team, good luck with that.

  62. portnoychunk says: Mar 25, 2016 8:44 AM

    partmachine says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:54 PM
    They still haven’t shown the part where a new ball was brought in just for the Edelman/Amendola TD against the Ravens.

    That pancake was wobbling through the air because two 5’6″ white guys can’t play with full size

    ——————————————

    Wow! Take off the tinfoil hat. Edelman was a quarterback in college. Really grasping at straws.

  63. ikeclanton says: Mar 25, 2016 8:50 AM

    Edelman was the quarterback at Kent State before the Patriots made him a wideout. He throws a better spiral than most guys in the NFL.

  64. theringisthething says: Mar 25, 2016 9:05 AM

    Hey Nines rule – Jerry Rice used stickum and your O lineman sprayed lubricant on their jerseys. I think your team deserves a seat at that table.

  65. Thretosix says: Mar 25, 2016 9:21 AM

    What the NFL is doing is criminal. Not just Framegate.

  66. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 25, 2016 9:46 AM

    So just how is McNally’s weight loss regimen coming anyway?
    After all, such a large part of the Brady defense would be followed wouldn’t ya think?

  67. tylawspick6 says: Mar 25, 2016 9:47 AM

    The NFL has NO evidence on Brady whatsoever, because nothing ever happened.

    Has anyone ever explained, why on god’s green earth a HOF QB or ANY QB at any level would intentionally want a softer, heavier and flatter ball to throw when it would spiral SLOWER if softer with less air in it?

    The very fact no one has asked why any QB would want this, especially a large man like Brady with big hands?

    Hello?

    There are so many giveaways that this was an attempted framejob, it’s not even funny.

    The Sean Sullivan email is a fake, for example. He was told to write that email to Grigson.

    There is no way “everyone knows”, yet this only came to light AFTER Brady told Harbaugh to “check the rulebook”.

    Also, if everyone knew and Brady’s 2 INTs @ Indy felt soft on the road, I thought this scheme only occurred at home games that McNally worked?

    They keep lying and not even realizing, that all of their lies come together and contradict the other lies.

    That’s how you know they’re lying.

    They were also so sloppy because it was a foregone conclusion that Brady was going to be framed and NE punished for parity purposes and jealousies, regardless.

  68. nhpats says: Mar 25, 2016 9:58 AM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM
    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”? Worse yet, the Patriots attempt to defend it by rolling out the story that he got that nickname because he was trying to lose weight.

    Its laughable but yet every Patriot apologist will latch on this as if it is even plausible. Anything to get away from the putrid stench of cheating.

    ————–
    That may very well be true but the problem is that the league did not even prove that any illegal ball deflation took place. In fact if you believe the Patriots intentionally deflated footballs, then you have to conclude that the Colts did as well as all but one of their balls tested were also deflated.

    The NFL is trying to conduct a murder trial and yet nobody has been killed.

  69. ikeclanton says: Mar 25, 2016 10:10 AM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM
    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”?

    ——-

    This is one of the main problems the biased detractors have had. It was NOT his nickname–his nickname is “Bird”. It was referred to as “deflate and give somebody that jacket” once in thousands of texts. This one word has taken on a life of its own that it never should have had. I challenge any of you to look at text conversations in groups of friends that aren’t yours and make sense of any of it. It’s nearly impossible in a lot of cases, and since Wells was definitely paid to find guilt somewhere above all else, that’s what he did. It is literally the weakest “proof” I’ve ever seen, and a federal judge rightfully agreed.

    The real story is that Brady played a game against the Jets where the refs (who prior to this never, ever measured anything in the history of the game) mistakenly had balls around 16 PSI. Brady rightfully wanted them between 12.5 and 13.5. The ball guys job was probably to assure that they were. In fact, Brady outlined this very rule to the refs – why would he call attention to that and then break the rule?

    If guilt is anywhere, and that’s IF (no proof), then this should have been no fine, or a small one IN LINE WITH THE INFRACTION.

    It would have been over in a one sentence blurb and no one would have even cared.

  70. streetyson says: Mar 25, 2016 10:14 AM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM
    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”?
    ——————
    Except his nickname’s Bird. No one ever called him the Deflator and he never adopted it – it was just used jokingly once in one random text. And if you think one off-season text in a non-football context is vital, what do think of the same ball guys’ texting in-season about making sure the balls were 13psi instead of 16???

  71. maverick2560 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:19 AM

    I am still amazed that the NFL refused to turn over notes of Wells and
    his ” employees ” ( I imagine some of the interviews were conducted by
    investigators of the firm that Wells was usingIn normal cases these notes would be discoverable. This would hinder
    any defense counsels ability to cross a witness and to also ensure what
    Wells found as factually true was in fact accurate.
    The denial of these notes along with the stance of the NFL that Brady phone was discoverable and should have been available seems to me, contrary. ( I could be factually incorrect) it is my understanding
    the Brady side offered a list of any and all persons he texted and called
    that were in anyway related to the NFL. This would enable the NFL
    to retrieve the relevant info. Onerous yet possible.
    As to Brady’s destruction of old phone, many celebrities will personally destroy their old phone in order to prevent hacking of potentially embarrassing texts, pictures etc.
    The one aspect that seems to be forefront is the NFL’s mishandling
    of the process and its screw ups. For a 600 hundred dollar an hour
    lawyer to not have a master of the facts is inexcusable.

  72. leitskev says: Mar 25, 2016 10:23 AM

    I love the part where Clement says he didn’t lie to the court because he was only repeating what the commissioner himself had concluded. This was on Goodell’s lie that Brady said he didn’t discuss PSI with Jastremski, which the transcripts showed to be untrue. A transcript the NFL never expected to become public.

    And the part where Clement says none of the Colts balls were under, a lie by omission since he doesn’t mention they were under by one of the two gauges, and that the Colts balls started out at 13.0, where the Pats were at 12.5.

    Unless there is some kind of bias in play, the court will see this for the deception it certainly is.

  73. tylawspick6 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:28 AM

    NFL caught….Stone cold.

  74. rwhite151 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:29 AM

    It’s like the NFL is intentionally trying to discredit themselves.

  75. tylawspick6 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:31 AM

    @Leitskev

    You would think a college educated judge with a law degree would come to that conclusion, yes, which is why it is beyond creepy Chin said what he said.

    I can’t tell if that was his way of pandering to the NFL’s 20 mil expenditures for Goodell’s day in court, or if Chin is planting the seed, hinting that was in fact paid off by the NFL.

    If Brady loses in the Goodell Appeal, that means Chin and Parker were paid off by the NFL.

    There is no “overwhelming evidence” whatsoever. A very disturbing statement from Judge Chin.

    There is OVERWHELMING evidence this was an attempted framejob, not that Brady did anything at all (or his underlings).

  76. paulrevereshorse1775 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:33 AM

    ikeclanton says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:10 AM

    This is one of the main problems the biased detractors have had. It was NOT his nickname–his nickname is “Bird”. It was referred to as “deflate and give somebody that jacket” once in thousands of texts. This one word has taken on a life of its own that it never should have had. I challenge any of you to look at text conversations in groups of friends that aren’t yours and make sense of any of it. It’s nearly impossible in a lot of cases, and since Wells was definitely paid to find guilt somewhere above all else, that’s what he did. It is literally the weakest “proof” I’ve ever seen, and a federal judge rightfully agreed.
    ———

    I totally agree. There are times when I text with my wife or one of my kids, and due to the slight time delay (especially if one of us does not respond immediately) we can have several unrelated conversations occurring simultaneously and the messages are intertwined. months later when I go to delete them, even I sometimes can’t make sense of what we were talking about.

    text messages by nature are short and often assume knowledge of things that aren’t even part of the messaging. Wells used more imagination than facts in determining what he thought the meaning of those texts were.

  77. gisellichek says: Mar 25, 2016 10:35 AM

    I am so sick of this… I know it is clear that this “attack” on the Patriots has little or nothing to do with “facts” “due process” or “guilt” these NFL proceedings reek of Stalinist Russia.

    An absolute authority corrupted absolutely and going to great lengths to protect its absolute power and now resorts to lies , exaggerations, deception and falsehood to prove its case… honestly isn’t it a sanctionable offense to “lie” to a court?

    Clement should absolutely be called out. First Wells & Pash, now Clement… The NFL is destroying the reputations of their lawyers … it is amazing how money corrupts.

  78. whispersd says: Mar 25, 2016 10:41 AM

    “And the part where Clement says none of the Colts balls were under, a lie by omission since he doesn’t mention they were under by one of the two gauges, and that the Colts balls started out at 13.0, where the Pats were at 12.5.”

    That’s the only time the NFL gives credence to the gauge that showed higher values. They use the other gauge to justify the penalties against the Patriots.

    What a disgraceful bunch of liars. And yet there are still people riding this bus.

  79. jimmyt says: Mar 25, 2016 10:48 AM

    If it looks like a cheater, walks like a cheater, plays like a cheater – it is a cheater. And it’s name is Tom Brady.

  80. blessedunliketherest says: Mar 25, 2016 10:55 AM

    The best part of all this? The NFL is now claiming the New York Times is using unfounded lies, ignoring facts, and has no direct evidence in relation to the concussion fiasco. They are legitimately using the EXACT SAME defense they have ignored from the Patriots the last 15 months. Its awesome watching the NFL squirm. What goes around, comes around.

  81. mmack66 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:59 AM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM

    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”? Worse yet, the Patriots attempt to defend it by rolling out the story that he got that nickname because he was trying to lose weight.

    Its laughable but yet every Patriot apologist will latch on this as if it is even plausible. Anything to get away from the putrid stench of cheating.
    ———————-

    The only people latching on to the incorrect assertion that McNally adopted the nickname of “The Deflator” are the Goodell apologists.

    His nickname was “Bird”.

    He referred to himself as “the Deflator” one time, in May, which is the off-season.

    The NFL itself used the word “deflate” in reference to weight loss in a video available on the NFL Network.

  82. Mo Pro Babble says: Mar 25, 2016 11:03 AM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM
    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”?

    Evidently the NFL and it’s lawyers are not the only ones adept at lying. Now that is’ clear this was a frame job, all the Hateroids have left is the repetition of lie after lie. Even when it becomes clear that it’s a lie, they forge onward. Like the mad dog in NY, they only want to consider headlines and the truth be damned.

  83. fanofschill says: Mar 25, 2016 11:07 AM

    What makes me laugh about deflategate is that this whole thing is based on the manufactures recommendation that balls be at 12.5 -13.5PSI!

    The NFL didn’t vote on this, they just put it in the rule-book based on the manufactures box.

    Plus,

    If there was any advantage wouldn’t we have heard from teams that teams that they are going to use balls at just above the legal limit? Would be pretty dumb not to, right?

    You’d think there would be some piece of inside info of a team A or QB C testing this out but …..NOTHING.

  84. rootpain says: Mar 25, 2016 11:09 AM

    rootpain says:Mar 25, 2016 9:44 AM

    bencoates57 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 10:28 PM
    I know a lot of you are wondering how a farce like this could occur. As a social psychologist, I believe I can shed some light on this. There are 2 reasons Goodell can behave the way he us behaving: (1) Goodell knows he is not representing himself but the wishes and beliefs of the owners. (2) the owners can behave the way they are behaving because they are being fronted / anonymized by Goodell. The combination of these two facts produces a state of drindividuation that facilitates really bizarre behavior fir which no one is held accountable
    ================================
    Really Ben? I think you are giving both Goodell and the owners much more leeway than they are entitled to.
    First of all, Goodell has studied the wishes and desires of each one of the owners and knows exactly what makes each one tick. And he exploits it to his advantage, playing one off the other, allowing each to believe that they are much smarter than himself. It’s much like the game theory of the reality show survivor. Play incompetent until there is only one opponent standing and then get all the others you have defeated to vote for you because they don’t want the opponent to have successfully seen through the charade that they failed to see through. There is no question that Goodell is in control.
    Second, with the Internet, there is no anonymity. And besides, the owners don’t fall anywhere close to the mean of society where deindividuation would apply. They, like Goodell, are all narcissists. Narcissists are always guarding against being drawn in to any sort of group mentality and in fact are known to take a stand against the group, even if the stand is wrong, just so they don’t appear to be followers.
    Now go down a notch ie to the staff on Park Avenue and/or the vast majority of journalists, and I agree with you. But as for Goodell and the owners, they are mostly just plain old narcissists who have to hear themselves blather on as often as possible. And narcissists really don’t care if you like them or hate them as long as you talk about them. And we do, so they continue to go on loving themselves.

  85. johnheisman says: Mar 25, 2016 11:16 AM

    It is time for the Brady and the Patriots to go on the offensive. The reputations and character have been smeared in countless ways by lies put forth by the NFL and its commissioner.

    Kraft agreed to do what is best for the league and accept the penalties even though he knows what did or did not happen. At every turn, Brady and Patriots have never been given a fair shake such as releasing the real amount of PSI lost, NOT 2.0 PSI per ball, but an amount totally consistent with the ideal gas law and the Colts footballs were under as well which was known the night of the game. Brady and the Patriots arguments are totally ignored as the NFL goes full speed ahead with the prosecution.

    The Patriots need to trot out their two equipment guys, the ones who volunteered to testify UNDER OATH at Brady’s appeal before Goodell, and finally let the world know what happened – which was NOTHING.

    If the Patriots are going to be punished no matter what, it is well past time to start winning in the court of opinion and show what a screw job this really is.

  86. bstngrdn says: Mar 25, 2016 11:33 AM

    NinersRule says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:24 PM
    So in other words, the league counsel got some tidbits wrong and this Cheatriot Fan who is a lawyer started nitpicking it.

    Huge news– like the assistant only occassionally called himself “The Deflator.”

    What a joke are this organization and its fans.

    Worst cheaters in American sports history. And the most brazen.

  87. bstngrdn says: Mar 25, 2016 11:35 AM

    NinersRule says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:24 PM
    So in other words, the league counsel got some tidbits wrong and this Cheatriot Fan who is a lawyer started nitpicking it.

    Huge news– like the assistant only occassionally called himself “The Deflator.”

    What a joke are this organization and its fans.

    Worst cheaters in American sports history. And the most brazen.

    If I were from San Francisco I’d think twice about throwing stones. Talk about cheating, corruption, illegal activities and bad fans. You guys take the cake.

  88. trajan2448 says: Mar 25, 2016 11:49 AM

    Goodell, Clement, and NFL officials have exposed in court and on the record as liars.
    There must be consequences for this.

  89. robadat says: Mar 25, 2016 12:10 PM

    ikeclanton says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:10 AM

    The real story is that Brady played a game against the Jets where the refs (who prior to this never, ever measured anything in the history of the game) mistakenly had balls around 16 PSI. Brady rightfully wanted them between 12.5 and 13.5. The ball guys job was probably to assure that they were. In fact, Brady outlined this very rule to the refs – why would he call attention to that and then break the rule?

    If guilt is anywhere, and that’s IF (no proof), then this should have been no fine, or a small one IN LINE WITH THE INFRACTION.

    It would have been over in a one sentence blurb and no one would have even cared.

    ———————————————————-
    This is probably the most reasonable explanation of Deflategate. It is also ILLEGAL to tamper in any way with the balls after the referees check them pre-game. And it is also reasonable to conclude from this that it became a
    Patriot SOP at home games (taking balls into bathroom to re-check and adjust inflation level after ref inspection) since the Jets game where this first arose.

    Since you are a Patriot fan, I Thank You for verifying the league does have a legitimate case against the Patriots and Brady for illegally tampering with the balls after pre-game inspections by the refs.

  90. fanasaurus says: Mar 25, 2016 12:11 PM

    chawk12thman says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:28 PM

    If true; they combined are not significant enough nor directly related to the issue before the court to warrant dismissal. The issues need to be corrected and I suspect that the court will take them into consideration and make note. However, I still think the court will overturn and reinstate the penalty and affirm the Commissioner’s Authority under the CBA.
    —————————————————
    They lied to the court in order to make their case, which they have done repeatedly, give it up. You’re looking more and more like a ignorant baboon the longer you keep this up.

  91. kevpft says: Mar 25, 2016 12:13 PM

    It says a lot about our legal system that, with so many supposedly professional judges and attorneys involved, it takes an outsider basically forcing his way into the proceedings just to get the most basic information about the case factually correct.

    “Misstatements of fact”… just call it what it is: Lying. Willful, malicious lying with the intent to deceive.

  92. conormacleodisloosebutthole says: Mar 25, 2016 12:22 PM

    The guy referred to himself as the deflator, even once, and idiot Pats fans think the organisation is innocent. The texts prove that Brady was at least attempting to cheat. If he didn’t actually cheat that was a result of ineptitude on all their parts. * * * *

  93. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 12:24 PM

    gregdixon3300 says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:20 AM
    Hey Pats fans – should I remind you that Brady lied to all of the judges. Yes – he ordered the code red on the balls. Pats fans if you want the truth – you can’t handle the truth.

    Good luck with your DEFLATOR diet Pats fans. Heard that too much chowder leads to in inflated fans.
    _______________________________________

    Nah, that’s caused by too many championships and SB wins. Something we know better than any fan base over the past 20 years…

    Run along now…

  94. blessedunliketherest says: Mar 25, 2016 12:36 PM

    Hey Pats fans – should I remind you that Brady lied to all of the judges. Yes – he ordered the code red on the balls. Pats fans if you want the truth – you can’t handle the truth.

    Good luck with your DEFLATOR diet Pats fans. Heard that too much chowder leads to in inflated fans.
    __________________________________________

    More flawed logic. How exactly did he “order” the code red? There is not one text message anywhere close to suggesting Brady wanted the balls deflated below 12.5 Not one. Where are you getting this information? Taking an out of text message from May 2014 does not equal evidence. Try harder cupcake.

    The NFL has been proven lairs during this fiasco. Multiple times. Proven without a shred of doubt. What has Brady (or anyone from the Pats for that matter) lied about? In fact, as each day passes it becomes clearer they are the only ones telling the truth.

  95. 315judman says: Mar 25, 2016 1:02 PM

    I think this has gone on long enough. I really think it’s time for this whole thing to end. Brady and the pats should just give up on this… it is embarrassing.

    – fans of 31 other teams

  96. doritodink14 says: Mar 25, 2016 1:13 PM

    blessedunliketherest says:
    Mar 25, 2016 12:36 PM
    Hey Pats fans – should I remind you that Brady lied to all of the judges. Yes – he ordered the code red on the balls. Pats fans if you want the truth – you can’t handle the truth.

    Good luck with your DEFLATOR diet Pats fans. Heard that too much chowder leads to in inflated fans.
    =================
    You do know that Brady is the only one who HASNT lied in this case, correct? And he is also the only one to testify UNDER OATH.

  97. steamingpilerex says: Mar 25, 2016 1:14 PM

    You have to face facts : to some folks- Robert Kraft is GOD – Bill Belichiek walks on water & Tom Brady is the second coming! The other 31 teams in the league are aligned with Satan. NO MATTER how this gets settled your always gonna have the “he did it” crowd & the “they hate us cause we’re the Pats” crowd for this mess….so in these most infamous words : Can’t we all just get along?

  98. garyhd01 says: Mar 25, 2016 1:18 PM

    please people tell me why when you change phones you would destroy it instead of just pulling the SIM card and stashing it in a drawer oh yeah because there was incriminating evidence on the phone!! should he have gotten 4 games for the act of involvement in the deflating of the footballs probably not, however the fact that he lied about it should carry more than a simple fine i said all along 2 games and move on now both sides are dug in, this is now just silly.

  99. kissmysandwich says: Mar 25, 2016 1:33 PM

    The league has a history of overstepping their legal boundaries. They’ve been doing it for decades. Hell, they exist because they got congress to grant them a monopoly on television rights. It’s just a game folks. Watch it and have fun. Just know the NFL doesn’t care about you, the players, or anything other than money and power. It’s plainly obvious. There is no integrity, and really never has been. At least not since the 70s for sure. (giving players steroids, not telling them about concussions…very high character, high integrity moves)

  100. kissmysandwich says: Mar 25, 2016 1:35 PM

    315judman….Brady and the Pats have given it up. They won. Brady’s suspension was squashed. The NFL is fighting it…and yes…they should stop immediately…but they won’t.

  101. silvernblacksabbath says: Mar 25, 2016 1:42 PM

    This is all fake, all for show. Keep the sheep busy.. Brady is laughing all the way to the bank. Pats will get their first pick back.. Just wait…

  102. plum54 says: Mar 25, 2016 1:50 PM

    Why anyone including one of the judges focuses on the phone is beyond ridiculous . Wells said he did not need the phone! Repeat – did not need it!

  103. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 3:59 PM

    conormacleodisloosebutthole says:
    Mar 25, 2016 12:22 PM

    The guy referred to himself as the deflator, even once, and idiot Pats fans think the organisation is innocent. The texts prove that Brady was at least attempting to cheat. If he didn’t actually cheat that was a result of ineptitude on all their parts. * * * *
    ________________________________________
    Yup. Not innocent. Guilty! Guilty of dominating the NFL for the past 20 years!

    Just checked NFL.com. No ***** next to anything Patriots, so that is just a pipe dream out on troll fantasy island.

    Sorry, you lose again. All you have are accusations, name calling and cute little #s. None of which helps your team win games.

    Back to the kids table with you…

  104. johnwaldron8 says: Mar 25, 2016 4:02 PM

    leitskev says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:23 AM

    I love the part where Clement says he didn’t lie to the court because he was only repeating what the commissioner himself had concluded. This was on Goodell’s lie that Brady said he didn’t discuss PSI with Jastremski, which the transcripts showed to be untrue. A transcript the NFL never expected to become public.

    And the part where Clement says none of the Colts balls were under, a lie by omission since he doesn’t mention they were under by one of the two gauges, and that the Colts balls started out at 13.0, where the Pats were at 12.5.

    Unless there is some kind of bias in play, the court will see this for the deception it certainly is.

    —————————————————–
    Where Clement losing credibility is that the Patriots attorney sent him a letter in January outlining the fallacies and incorrect statements in the NFL’s argument.

    Clement can’t plead ignorance or claim that he was just repeating what his client told him when he was made aware of these discrepancies well before the hearing.

  105. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 25, 2016 5:25 PM

    steamingpile says: Can’t we all just get along?
    ————
    Not if you’re going to continue to act like a steamingpile.

  106. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 5:36 PM

    weepingjebus says:
    Mar 24, 2016 8:59 PM
    Remember, Goodell had the gall to call the cops and ask them to watch for Patriots fans that theoretically might break into one of his chintzy vacation homes. I’ve seen trap door spiders with better morals.

    ———————————

    While your observations on Goodell are completely correct, it’s because he lives up to what you say that having the cops watch his homes is a good idea. Singling out Pat’s fans is incorrect as he has antagonized more groups than them (just the CTE issues have generated greater anger) there are many football followers that take things too far.

  107. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 5:41 PM

    conormacleodisloosebutthole says:
    Mar 25, 2016 12:22 PM
    The guy referred to himself as the deflator, even once, and idiot Pats fans think the organisation is innocent. The texts prove that Brady was at least attempting to cheat. If he didn’t actually cheat that was a result of ineptitude on all their parts. * * * *
    __________________________________________

    The texts were actually a single one back in May 2014. That’s in the offseason before he started working with them. I did think the ‘weight loss’ explanation was laughable BS, no way do I buy that it was about weight loss. But since it was in May of 2014 it couldn’t have been about game balls either.

    So if that’s your entire argument…

  108. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 5:52 PM

    plum54 says:
    Mar 25, 2016 1:50 PM
    Why anyone including one of the judges focuses on the phone is beyond ridiculous . Wells said he did not need the phone! Repeat – did not need it!

    ————————————————–
    Anyone that hands over their cell phone to another party is a complete idiot. Anyone. I would destroy mine before I gave it up for sure. It has all kinds of personal info plus financial info and passwords to more. And that’s not even with TMZ running around letting everyone know that there are six figures waiting for anyone that can get their phone contents. And it’s also without a mean spirited commissioner who had already shown his willingness to leak emails unrelated to the case just to cause problems for the guy. I swear, some readers sound like they have never tried being a high profile athelete married to a top supermodel. They really should before they judge. But even if they don’t they would still be idiots to let anyone take their smartphones.

  109. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 6:01 PM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM

    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”? Worse yet, the Patriots attempt to defend it by rolling out the story that he got that nickname because he was trying to lose weight.

    Its laughable but yet every Patriot apologist will latch on this as if it is even plausible. Anything to get away from the putrid stench of cheating.
    _———————————————————————–

    Speaking of not caring…We don’t care what the hater trolls think…20 Years of NFL Dominance! That “putrid stench” is coming from your teams performance, not ours.

    Crying about puffs of air and warm Gatorade… You haters should be embarrassed.

  110. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 6:04 PM

    robadat says:
    Mar 25, 2016 12:10 PM
    ikeclanton says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:10 AM

    The real story is that Brady played a game against the Jets where the refs (who prior to this never, ever measured anything in the history of the game) mistakenly had balls around 16 PSI. Brady rightfully wanted them between 12.5 and 13.5. The ball guys job was probably to assure that they were. In fact, Brady outlined this very rule to the refs – why would he call attention to that and then break the rule?

    If guilt is anywhere, and that’s IF (no proof), then this should have been no fine, or a small one IN LINE WITH THE INFRACTION.

    It would have been over in a one sentence blurb and no one would have even cared.

    ———————————————————-
    This is probably the most reasonable explanation of Deflategate. It is also ILLEGAL to tamper in any way with the balls after the referees check them pre-game. And it is also reasonable to conclude from this that it became a
    Patriot SOP at home games (taking balls into bathroom to re-check and adjust inflation level after ref inspection) since the Jets game where this first arose.

    Since you are a Patriot fan, I Thank You for verifying the league does have a legitimate case against the Patriots and Brady for illegally tampering with the balls after pre-game inspections by the refs.

    —————————————————

    So if it all started with the Jets game doesn’t the use of the word “deflator” in comment become pretty meaningless if it was 5 months prior to that in the offseason? And since that’s the real basis for most arguments doesn’t that make those arguments null and void. I have to hink that as much as I am watching the NFL twist facts and lie ‘to get the truth out’ I no longer can think it’s the truth. And a lot of the hater arguments I see in the feeds are pretty surreal too (most of them repeat NFL lies and these guys either never read the actual transcripts or would prefer a lie over what they say. I have gone from wanting to see Brady stripped and run out of football to thinking there never was any tampering at all. I hate those ‘oh no here comes Tom Brady’ moments that seem to always end my playoff hopes, and I can’t wait until he retires and I don’t have to look at him any more. But gee guys lets have a little credibility and not ruin the whole game just because we are all sick of Tom Brady.

  111. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 6:16 PM

    whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:33 AM
    I don’t care if it only has been reported that one time, but who adopts a nickname of “The Deflator”? Worse yet, the Patriots attempt to defend it by rolling out the story that he got that nickname because he was trying to lose weight.

    Its laughable but yet every Patriot apologist will latch on this as if it is even plausible. Anything to get away from the putrid stench of cheating.

    ————————————————————

    I agree with you the the weight loss explanation was ridiculous. No way do I think it was about weight loss. But since the one time he made the comment was in the offseason May 2014 it’s clear that whatever that comment was about, it was not about tampering with game balls.

  112. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 6:29 PM

    315judman says:
    Mar 25, 2016 7:29 AM
    Pats should have grabbed RG3 when they had the chance. Here’s to 4 games with Goroppalo in 2016. Cheats!

    —————————————–

    Two things wrong with what you say..

    1) Garrapolo is pretty good. And the Pat’s win as a team so them going 4-0 without Brady is not unlikely at all. (And it sounds like you would be traumatized after getting your hopes up like that)

    2) just for the heck of it…think back to the time everyone, writers and fans alike, all thought the Patriots were done that year because Bledsoe had gone down. I remember the talking heads on MNF that week saying how with their season gone they might as well see if this Bady kid was any good. Pat’s opponents were licking their chops, etc…

  113. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 6:32 PM

    robadat says:
    Mar 25, 2016 12:10 PM
    ikeclanton says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:10 AM

    The real story is that Brady played a game against the Jets where the refs (who prior to this never, ever measured anything in the history of the game) mistakenly had balls around 16 PSI. Brady rightfully wanted them between 12.5 and 13.5. The ball guys job was probably to assure that they were. In fact, Brady outlined this very rule to the refs – why would he call attention to that and then break the rule?
    If guilt is anywhere, and that’s IF (no proof), then this should have been no fine, or a small one IN LINE WITH THE INFRACTION.
    It would have been over in a one sentence blurb and no one would have even cared.

    ———————————————————-
    This is probably the most reasonable explanation of Deflategate. It is also ILLEGAL to tamper in any way with the balls after the referees check them pre-game. And it is also reasonable to conclude from this that it became a
    Patriot SOP at home games (taking balls into bathroom to re-check and adjust inflation level after ref inspection) since the Jets game where this first arose.

    Since you are a Patriot fan, I Thank You for verifying the league does have a legitimate case against the Patriots and Brady for illegally tampering with the balls after pre-game inspections by the refs.
    _______________________________________
    This is an example of a Roger the Lying Clown disciple. Notice how they tactlessly take the first statement and add their speculation, opinion and troll fantasy. This classic Roger move is repeatedly used to dupe the weak minded hater trolls. Roger makes them think their speculation and opinions matter and equals proof…Poor hater trolls…

    Patriots Win Again!

  114. greenlargo says: Mar 25, 2016 6:38 PM

    chawk12thman says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:40 PM
    I read everyone’s comments here and in other topics and truly believe that most of you all are not actually reading the material and just the headlines. The appeal is not about 12.5 PSI, not about how many times someone admitted they were the “deflator” or what lawyers asked what questions to whom at depositions…..It is about the Commissioner’s authority under the CBA and whether or not the he can impose the penalty he did on Brady after following the procedure he followed.

    The rest of this stuff is all Lawyer driven smoke screen, and is being projected by both sides. In fact, with PFT (Florio) leading the blog charge, another Lawyer BTW, it is in 3D. The truth of the matter is that if pressed, Florio would probably say the NFL will prevail. Not that he wants that, it just is what likely will be the outcome.

    —————————————–

    You are completely right about what the case was supposed to be about. That’s why it was so surreal when the judges instead focused their questions on Brady’s guilt or innocence. Plus that one Judge commenting about ‘overwhelming evidence’ was strange because he should not have cared one way or another about that. But now this article is about that overwhelming evidence being debunked so he may change his mind. That weird too because it should not matter. Right now I think if they decide this on evidence against Brady then Brady gets it because really they got nothing. But if it’s decided on what the CBA I personally think Goodell has an open and shut case. (Based on my reading of the CBA to see what it really says there) In fact I think that so much it amazes me he and his lawyer would bother continuing to lie about Brady. But they do, and then kerp getting caught.

    I don’t know how this is going to come out. I also think any poster or sportswriter making predictions is full of it trying to claim they know either.

  115. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 6:50 PM

    greenlargo says:
    Mar 25, 2016 6:04 PM

    So if it all started with the Jets game doesn’t the use of the word “deflator” in comment become pretty meaningless if it was 5 months prior to that in the offseason? And since that’s the real basis for most arguments doesn’t that make those arguments null and void. I have to hink that as much as I am watching the NFL twist facts and lie ‘to get the truth out’ I no longer can think it’s the truth. And a lot of the hater arguments I see in the feeds are pretty surreal too (most of them repeat NFL lies and these guys either never read the actual transcripts or would prefer a lie over what they say. I have gone from wanting to see Brady stripped and run out of football to thinking there never was any tampering at all. I hate those ‘oh no here comes Tom Brady’ moments that seem to always end my playoff hopes, and I can’t wait until he retires and I don’t have to look at him any more. But gee guys lets have a little credibility and not ruin the whole game just because we are all sick of Tom Brady.
    _____________________________________

    Bravo!

    I don’t think any Patriot fan has a problem with people “hating” the team or TB12. We’ve been on quite a run and don’t mind telling you about it. However, I think ALL true football fans should care that the Commissioner, NFL Legal, ESPN, et al..lie and manipulate the information they dispense to the public and their fans. We have numerous recent instances of this with Roger’s crew and it shouldn’t be tolerated by the fans spending the money.

  116. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 7:12 PM

    315judman says:
    Mar 25, 2016 7:29 AM

    Pats should have grabbed RG3 when they had the chance. Here’s to 4 games with Goroppalo in 2016. Cheats!
    _______________________________________

    Awe, how cute. Thanks little fella, but we’ll be just fine. We’ll find comfort in our 20 Years of NFL Dominance!

    Patriots Win Again!

  117. bigbear331313 says: Mar 25, 2016 7:27 PM

    315judman says:
    Mar 25, 2016 1:02 PM

    I think this has gone on long enough. I really think it’s time for this whole thing to end. Brady and the pats should just give up on this… it is embarrassing.
    _____________________________________

    Yeah, embarrassing for the NFL, Roger the Lying Clown and all the weak minded haters that continue to get willfully duped by them. It’s more than embarrassing…for you.

    It’s funny how the more Roger/NFL/ get exposed, the more the haters just want “this whole thing to end.”

  118. harrypotter1974 says: Mar 25, 2016 8:00 PM

    brady is gonna lose

  119. johnwaldron8 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:49 PM

    For everyone convinced that the single text that used the word “deflator” is proof something happened, you should check out the “Fantastic Lies” show to see a parallel in the Duke lacrosse case.

    The night of the alleged incident, one of the lacrosse players sent an email that mentioned killing strippers. When the email was made public, it reinforced what many outside observers believed: There were some disturbed people on that team and the assault really happened.

    Except the “threat” in the email was a quote from a movie, sent as a joke from one teammate to others. In light of what was going on, it was a bad time to say something dumb, but that’s all it was.

    You may ask to yourself, “What are the chances a team employee use the word ‘deflator’ and his team would later be implicated in a ball deflation scheme?” In the Duke case, you have an athlete decided to send out a movie quote about murdering strippers the same night his teammates were accused of assaulting a stripper. We now know that the accusations were totally false and the email was a joke between friends, not part of a plot.

    Sometimes, people say dumb things, especially in what they assume is a private conversation among friends. It takes a special kind of arrogance to take one comment out of context, ignore the explanation the participants gave you, and fit it into a narrative that you have built up between unrelated events. Mike Nifong did that 10 years ago and the NFL had Ted Wells do that for them now.

  120. scottster63 says: Mar 25, 2016 10:57 PM

    Oh the NE fans are out spewing their hatred for an organization to which they owe their success. They cannot stand the fact that the team is and will be in the news for the foreseeable future over their cheating ways. Too funny. The very definition of bad sports.

  121. RE LEE says: Mar 25, 2016 11:52 PM

    Goodell is the Lying King and he is going to be run out of the pride soon.

  122. greenlargo says: Mar 26, 2016 7:01 AM

    harrypotter1974 says:
    Mar 25, 2016 8:00 PM
    brady is gonna lose

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    If it’s about ‘Brady’ he is going to win. There is no case against him. The NFL (and frankly the haters too) have to many holes and lies in their arguments so if that’s what it’s about then Bradys lawyers have an easy job. (Albeit an overly long one)

    But if this is about the NFLPA and their argument with Goodells powers (what the case is supposed to be about but apparently not so much) then I think the NFLPA loses. The CBA does indeed grant Goodell those powers. They are trying to reverse a mistake in agreeing to those powers because they did not think he would abuse them. And understood Roger is being slinky abusing his powers in a way no one foresaw. But that agreement was still signed off on. Maybe it was an NFLPA mistake, but it still did happen.

    Just curious, if the NFLPA does win and overturns Goodell’s powers agreed to in the CBA, can the NFL then use that precedent to go to court to stop paying so much into players pensions and overturn other concessions agreed to in the CBA? Legal experts (I’m not one) please advise.

  123. greenlargo says: Mar 26, 2016 7:21 AM

    315judman says:
    Mar 25, 2016 1:02 PM
    I think this has gone on long enough. I really think it’s time for this whole thing to end. Brady and the pats should just give up on this… it is embarrassing.

    – fans of 31 other teams

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    I don’t think Brady or the Pat’s are the ones pushing this. As things stand right now Brady won it last August. Brady would love to drop this and leave it where it stands. It’s the NFL trying to overturn Bradys victory that is happening now.

    You should amend your signature to ‘stupid fans of 31 other team’ because the smart ones want to see the NFL lose. They do not want to see Goodell’s powers upheld then used on one of them. those among them that hate Brady would rather see Father Time deal with it, not Goodell.

  124. nepatriot1 says: Mar 26, 2016 7:44 AM

    FoozieGrooler says:
    Mar 25, 2016 9:46 AM
    So just how is McNally’s weight loss regimen coming anyway?
    After all, such a large part of the Brady defense would be followed wouldn’t ya think?
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    I don’t care if his name is “I deflated the balls in the AFC title game.” If they’re proven not to be deflated I could give a rats arse what his nickname was.

  125. cb3313 says: Mar 26, 2016 10:50 AM

    scottster63 says:Mar 25, 2016 10:57 PM

    Oh the NE fans are out spewing their hatred for an organization to which they owe their success. They cannot stand the fact that the team is and will be in the news for the foreseeable future over their cheating ways. Too funny. The very definition of bad sports
    ——————————-‘—————————
    Right…and believing the already Proven NFL/ESPN lies, is Good Sportsmenship? Hater trolls have no moral high ground on this. You wilfully support a proven lier, therefore you have zero cedibility on the subject. Back to troll fantasy island with you. Enjoy the Loser’s Circle, we’ll enjoy 20 Years of NFL Dominance.

    Patriot Fans Win Again!

  126. bigbear331313 says: Mar 26, 2016 5:14 PM

    jimmyt says:
    Mar 25, 2016 10:48 AM

    If it looks like a cheater, walks like a cheater, plays like a cheater – it is a cheater. And it’s name is Tom Brady.
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    If it makes accusations it can’t prove, whines about puffs of air and warm Gatorade, cries like a baby about it for months and believes the already proven lies of the NFL…It’s a jealous hater troll and no one cares what they think.

    Run along now, back to troll fantasy island….

  127. bigbear331313 says: Mar 26, 2016 6:45 PM

    dbarnes67 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:53 PM

    Love the cheaters whine.
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    Unfortunately, not as much as we love celebrating winning championships and Super Bowls. 20+ Year of NFL Dominance!

    Kiss The RingS!

  128. eddievortex says: Mar 26, 2016 10:30 PM

    FoozieGrooler says:
    Mar 25, 2016 9:46 AM

    So just how is McNally’s weight loss regimen coming anyway?
    After all, such a large part of the Brady defense would be followed wouldn’t ya think?

    _____________________________________

    I believe it was reported he had lost about 60 lbs.

  129. jddre says: Mar 28, 2016 1:10 PM

    Deflategate.

    IIRC NE did pretty well in the subsequent game – slaughtering Indy. And even (SOMEHOW!) winning the Super Bowl. And they didn’t do too badly in 2015, either.

    Deflategate was over-inflated and a PROVEN non-issue.

  130. jddre says: Mar 28, 2016 1:12 PM

    Oh – and every one of you haters out there would really like Brady running your team, but you clowns would NEVER admit it.

  131. tonebones says: Mar 31, 2016 7:49 AM

    Not buying any of this lawyer talk. I’m sure the prosecutors in the Charles Manson case could have made a “misstatement” if you want to look at it that way. I don’t blame the lawyers. That’s their job. I just don’t buy the garbage.

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