Roger Goodell gets dig in at Robert Kraft while denying request for pick

AP

Not only did NFL commissioner Roger Goodell not give Patriots owner Robert Kraft his first-round pick back, he also revealed Kraft to be a bit of a grandstander.

When Goodell announced at his press conference yesterday that the Patriots weren’t going to get any relief from their #Deflategate penalties, he added something to the timeline that Kraft hadn’t.

I responded to him two weeks ago and told him that I had considered his views and I didn’t think there was any new information in there that would cause us to alter the discipline,” Goodell said, via Tom Curran of CSNNE.com. “So there will be no change to the discipline.”

Of course, when Kraft was telling reporters Monday about the letter he wrote Goodell a month ago, he didn’t mention any response he got back from the league. So while the flimsy science the league used to punish the Patriots is ripe for its own criticism, Kraft accepted their punishment for the good of the league.

Then he decided to show his fans he was fighting for them, throwing a little red meat in the cage for his constituents by telling them how hard he tried to get the pick back. But it’s harder to set yourself up as a poor and helpless petitioner at the Court of Goodell, when you already knew the verdict and left that part out.

100 responses to “Roger Goodell gets dig in at Robert Kraft while denying request for pick

  1. Goodell has spent upwards of $10 million trying to frame the Pats with bogus, unsubstantiated information.

    There’s no denying science (Ideal Gas Law) and there’s no denying more than a years worth of text messages from McNally and Jastremski that show NO collusion with Brady to deflate balls.

    Goodell is trying to save his job when he should be fired.

  2. Anyone who doesn’t realize what a complete piece of garbage Robert Kraft is either is blind or ignorant (I.e., a Patriots fan)…it all starts from the top, and his character as a human being is reflected on the cheating trash of a team he either encourages or enables.

  3. When is the appeals court going to release the verdict anyways? Anyone have any insight?

  4. Kraft knew something happened. At the time he gave up the picks and the 1 M dollars he was certain it would come out.

  5. Kraft was definitely shameless

    but hey, the Pats will do anything to circumvent, obfuscate, feign lack of knowledge of the rules, exploit loopholes, actually break rules until they are caught… literally anything

  6. Lifelong Pats fan and very appreciative of everything Kraft has done for the franchise over the years. Disappointed in the way he handled Deflategate. Even if he was not going to sue the NFL (understandable), his gamble to accept the Goodell sanctions was a misstep. Instead of standing up for what was right, he chose to protect his standing among the owners. While Goodell has been exposed as legally challenged, petty and biased, Kraft’s decision to bow down to unfairness is easily the worst moment of his ownership years. Still, am hoping the Pats can spot the other 31 teams a draft pick and compete for another chamionship.

  7. Have people figured out yet that this has never been about Brady and the nonsense of a little air pressure that the league has NEVER cared about? It’s all about the Old Boys Network of the owners and their own little dramas between themselves. Nothing but a bunch of spoiled children…all of them.

  8. So, a couple things here:

    1. Goodell divined that there was nothing new on framegate even though Kraft said the Ideal Gas Law was not considered in the NFLs analysis. So Goodell either if lying (yes) or still doesn’t acknowledge the existence of the laws of nature.

    2. I think Kraft is disingenuous in telling Pats fans like me that he went to wall on this issue. Bob, you gave up the fight early so that you could be buddies with your fellow owners. If you really is mad at the whole Framegate issue, come out in public and say that Roger Goddell and his staff are not welcome at Gillette Stadium. Not the game crews, but Goodell, Kensil, Pash and those cronies. We never want to see these folks walking through this stadium ever again.

  9. “I responded to him two weeks ago and told him that I had considered his views and I didn’t think there was any new information in there that would cause us to alter the discipline,”

    ——————————————————-
    of course, we all know that Goodell would never mislead the public

  10. “it’s harder to set yourself up as a poor and helpless petitioner at the Court of Goodell, when you already knew the verdict and conveniently leave that part out.”

    How does that change anything that Kraft said? You seem to think that you’re making a point, but what it is escapes me. Kraft said that he wrote a letter to Goodell trying to get the pick back. Is that wrong? Did or did not Kraft try to get the pick back? If he did, which is what he said, then what, exactly, is the point that you think you’re making here? How is it “convenient” to not bother mentioning what everyone already knows, that the league and the commissioner are fully invested in their (wrong and unjust) decision, and not going to change it?

    I don’t even see how Goodell saying that he’d responded qualifies as a “dig.”

  11. NFL is trying to take down one of it’s premier owners and franchises. And it’s destroying the NFL brand in in the process. Petty bunch of whiny millionaires. This is why they need outside arbitrators.

  12. Kraft did it for a fair portion of his fans who were wondering why more of a fight isn’t taking place…….Move along, nothing to see hear folks

  13. love how jerry jones comments on CTE saying it’s all about science, and the science isn’t conclusive, and the NFL doesn’t draw conclusions in the absence of science.

    unless, of course, it’s elementary school physics about temperature and air pressure, and the overwhelming consensus of the worldwide scientific community — in that case, the NFL throws science out the window if roger feels in his gut more likely than not based on one moron’s cryptic text message

  14. The owner of the biggest cheaters in the history of the NFL was…………..LYING???? And….

    margoadams says:
    Mar 24, 2016 7:14 AM
    NFL is trying to take down one of it’s premier owners and franchises.

    -EXACTLY! why would the nfl or Goodell take down a premier franchise who happens to be run by a GREAT friend of Goodells for over 20 yrs plus he’s an owner who chooses Goodells salary- the answer is simple- THEY ARENT. There is no plan to ‘take them down’, the fact is the patriot got caught, the nfl’s hand was FORCED. They swept spygate under the rug but goodell can only do so much. Someone calls u out for deflated balls and 11 of them are illlegal……….you HAVE to punish them. There is no grand conspiracy patsy fans, take the tin foil of your head. Goodell punished Rice b/c he was guilty, he punished Peterson b/c he was guilty and he is punishing brady b/c he is guilty- plain and simple.

  15. I actually believe that Goodell ‘responded’ to Kraft……but I question if that is also the full story. That ‘response’ could have been a phone call…..during which Kraft may have reiterated his points and asked they be given full consideration. Kraft may be waiting for a written response.

    I’m speculating of course, but it seems that whenever Roger says something, the wording is often very selective and tells you enough enough to leadvyou down the wrong path. Not necessarily always false, but the spin of words doesn’t tell the full story.

    That’s Roger’s legacy……he has earned that skepticism

  16. Kraft intentionally left out the fact that Goodell responded to his letter during his press conference on Monday. He left it out because it was a PR move.
    Pats fans, its time you held this man accountable. He put all of you in this position and its not the first time. Stop blaming Goodell or the Jets, blame the person who’s team has repeatedly violated the rules and didn’t stick up for you when it mattered most.
    For the love of God, blame the people responsible, not other fans who are angry becausevthey feel cheated. I’m begging you, man up and hold kraft responsible.

  17. Flimsy science? Haha!! Yeah, the flimsy science affected ONLY the NE balls and not the Colts balls.

    That flimsy science must be Tom Brady and his little cronies deflating balls so he could grip them better in the cold. If that is what is meant, I totally agree.

  18. Kraft has been one of the greatest owners in the league for a long time now, so it’s hard to get upset at him for conceding the faulty punishment early on in the process before more information came to light exonerating Brady. In an effort not to appear combative to the league and owners, the Patriots got completely hosed on this one.

  19. Goodell will forever be known as a lying dunce that doesn’t understand 9th grade chemistry. The End.

  20. This is so unfair to the Patriots. The concept of basic fairness and good sportsmanship should be integral to the game. Goodell’s bias against New England is obvious.
    Patriot Nation stands behind Mr Kraft. Goodell is an embarrassment to the game.

  21. Never forget that Kraft is first and foremost a business man. He may love his team but in the long view the league is the cash cow. He played the good guy for the benefit of the league, in the end the team is still in second place. I love the Pats but I also have to balance that with a realistic view, as fans we are replaceable and and ever renewable resource. His giving in to the shield was a political move on his part, the “letter” nothing more than face paint. As for the many haters of the Pats… grow up. The world is what it is, the SEALS have a line that runs something like this. If your not cheating you ain’t trying if your caught your not a SEAL.

  22. Seriously, why do the owners need to keep Goodell in office, they can still make big money hand over fist with a retarded monkey running the show (no offense to monkeys).

  23. I am a Patriots fan. IF Goodell told Kraft two weeks ago that he was not getting the pick back, I will be pissed at Kraft for not mentioning that.

    Why hide that fact? We never expected Goodell to admit he has screwed this whole thing up from the beginning.

    Kraft needs to respond to this. Either he knew about it and left it out, which is NOT GOOD or Goodell is lying, AGAIN.

  24. Everything yette1 said above is complete true.
    He beat me to the punch by about an hour.

    Goodell may be a moron who lacks any manner of integrity, but with the asinine “I’m fighting for my team now, even though it’s nine months too late” crap, Kraft isn’t too far behind him.

  25. dukeearl says:
    Mar 24, 2016 6:51 AM
    Kraft knew something happened. At the time he gave up the picks and the 1 M dollars he was certain it would come out.

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    what kraft knew is that this was an attempt to make good for what the owners felt was a light punishment for spygate. he figured if the league got what they wanted for real out of spygate punishment then they would be fair in this proceeding. they werent bc the rest of the nfl wants kraft out bc his team’s business model goes against the tradition of signing free agents to fill teams and create publicity and it is currently making the other 31 owners look foolish.

  26. Hate all things Goodell but I like him finally sticking it to the habitual cheaters here.

    The 1st round picks in this draft are a hot commodity thanks to all the offensive and defensive lineman.

  27. Just because Goodell is a turd doesn’t mean Kraft isn’t. No one wore a white hat in this saga. Despite the Bostonian hysteria desperately trying to find Brady one.

  28. Goodell’s National Integrity League Of Double Standards

    Goodell is VILE

    Goodell and his cronies must go

  29. When is that owner’s meeting finished already? I’ve heard enough BS from Goodell to last a lifetime. Would somebody just shut him up please.

  30. .
    The Patriots have an internal mantra :

    You can frame and fine our QB. You can suspend our QB. You can take away our draft picks. You can even rig the schedule so the Patriots first four games are on the road against Denver, Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Jets.

    However, at the end of the season, we’ll be tanned, rested, and readily motivated to compete with anyone. We’ll still be the most feared team in the playoffs.

    Few noticed the subtle maneuver by Belichick when he swore Cards GM Steve Keim to secrecy about the Chandler Jones deal. The Patriots waited until the first wave of free agents were off the board before making a series of moves which altered the complexion of their team, especially on offense. Teams facing the Patriots are going to be hard pressed to contend with a 12 (1 RB / 2 TE) offense featuring Dion Lewis, Gronk, Martellus Bennett, Edelman, Amendola, and the newly acquired Chris Hogan lining up all over the field. They could go from 2 TE to 5 wide in an instant.
    .

  31. Love the people that claim the Pats are tarnished or have zero legit championships. You are the definition of haters. You make these comments to make yourselves feel better about getting beat year in and year out to the Pats.

    Stop and think about it for a second. How can a legacy be tarnished for having a camera in the wrong position (spygate) and 0.2 PSI of air (which by has has been proven to be the cause of nature and not tampering, unless you are blind)? Meanwhile, you have had teams tamper, circumvent the salary cap, pipe in artificial crowd noise, overinflate balls, misuse the injury report, coaches tripping players, HGH use, and so on and so forth.

    Its really pathetic, but whatever makes you feel better. You may as well make the warm gatorade claim as well – that’s how bottom feeding you sound.

  32. Don’t know why this is so hard for you pat brats to understand. You cheat, get caught (multiple times) and then pay the price.

    This is how the system works. Your “poor victim” crying is past getting old… and boring.

  33. Kraft has lost a lot of fan support this. Fans wil still go to games, watch buy Pats gear to support the team on the field but when it comes to him wanting things done from the state I bet it will be a lot harder to come by.

    He dropped the ball, we understand the league isn’t giving picks back but to just sit back and not be critical is sad. anytime he gets in front of a mic he should be ripping Goodell! Telling people how wrong they got it. Instead he says something like we tried and overall Goodell has done a good job…?? What? even without deflategate he has done a terrible job. He should be going all Al Davis on Goodell. us against the world!

  34. See what this world has come to. Two uber wealthy men cannot resist engaging in petty schoolyard politics.

    One of them trying to snow the public, the other, not letting him.

  35. I absolutely believe Kraft did it because it was for the good of the league over the well wishes of the fans.

    However, Goodell has hardly been a bastion of truth in this saga, so until I see the actual letter with the date and signature on it, I’m not sure I’m willing to believe him in anything regarding defamegate.

  36. Robert Kraft needs to grow a pair. Goodell is treating him like a petulant child, sneering in his face. I agree that Kraft should never have agreed to the sanctions and his reputation will be tainted among Patriots fans for having surrendered. If Kraft truly believes the Pats have been treated unfairly he needs to fight for them – solicit the other owners to overturn or at least postpone the penalties until the NFL can disprove the Ideal Gas Law. FIGHT! Instead, Kraft has shown he will whine but never stand up for the team and fans who have made him a billionaire.

  37. Most of the people bashing Goodell don’t like that he gives punishment to those who deserve it.

    Most of the reductions only occur because incidents that happened in earlier years and whining owners. Most of these suspensions should have been left alone.

    If the owners didn’t keep begging to have Goodell reduce the length of suspensions you wouldn’t have the new rule of 2 unsportsmanlike penalties and then an ejection because players might have respected the fact they would be punished if they played outside of the rules.

    Stop your crying you guys are like the little kid trying to have mommy overturn daddy’s grounding

  38. As soon as I read the article, I knew the chowder heads would be all over it. Word of advise – eat too much chowder and you must go on a DEFLATOR diet. The population outside of New England is laughing at you pathetic TB12 defenders. Tom cheated – get over it and move on!!

  39. Kraft is fighting for his fans!?!?!

    What about fighting for himself? He OWNS the team. Why wouldn’t that be motivation by itself? If I own something and you harm it, I’m mad, forget what others think.

  40. How can Pats fans continue to support this franchise?
    Kraft has cheated his business partners, coaches, players, and fans. Now he’s being disingenuous to his own fanbase, he assumes his fanbase are sheep who will believe anything he tells them. He doesn’t deserve your loyalty, wake up New England!

  41. I love watching the sheep continue on their Brady cheated bandwagon. Think for yourself for once look at both sides and ask yourself how many more holes you can poke in the NFL’s case than in the Pats. But if you wish to continue being fleeced by the NFL braintrust( just threw up a tad in my mouth even associating NFL and brain trust) then go ahead. Me I’ll think for myself

    #neversaidwhatteamIrootfor

  42. Goodell should have also suspended Belichek and Kraft for 4 games. You can not tell me that the coach had no knowledge of the illegal actions of his quarterback. Kraft should be suspended for harboring 2 individuals that have ruined some of the integrity of the game.

  43. “Didn’t think there was any new information”. I guess he was talking of the Ideal Gas law that was discovered in the 1840’s. It’s a universal law everywhere but Park Avenue.

  44. You’re doing god’s work Roger. Now take the trash out completely and ban belicheat / TBCheat for life and strip drunk kraft of his franchise. Only then will integrity be restored to the NFL.

  45. Yes Kraft was with TB when he instructed the Deflator to ensure that all 12 balls be inflated to 10.5 psi. This was verified by a world recognized Truthful Pulitzer Prize winner Mortenson who was there with members of the Jets, I mean NFL front office. The NFL lawyer lied to the Judge when he told the Judge there was zero evidence.

    So with all that hard evidence, why should Pinocchio nose give back the drafts picks. The $$$$ is coffee money for Kraft.

  46. I love all the people on here supporting Goodell. I know you guys love going after the Pats but in this case you’re openly admitting that you believe Roger Goodell and support his decisions. Good luck hitching your wagon to that clown.

  47. Two Federal,judges have shown Goodell to be a liar. One outright stated it. The other just released documents that were showed the exact opposite of what Goodell said happened. The only reason Goodell expects to be believed when he speaks is because people are too simple-minded.

  48. gregdixon3300 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:05 AM
    As soon as I read the article, I knew the chowder heads would be all over it. Word of advise – eat too much chowder and you must go on a DEFLATOR diet. The population outside of New England is laughing at you pathetic TB12 defenders. Tom cheated – get over it and move
    ————

    Actually, there are a lot of people outside New England who see this for what it is. You know, people who read things and have a modicum of analytical reasoning. I am sure you haven’t met any in the circles you run.

  49. tv426 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 7:45 AM
    Flimsy science? Haha!! Yeah, the flimsy science affected ONLY the NE balls and not the Colts balls.

    That flimsy science must be Tom Brady and his little cronies deflating balls so he could grip them better in the cold. If that is what is meant, I totally agree.
    =================
    You do know that 3 out of the 4 Colts balls were under 12.5 PSI too, right?

  50. gregdixon3300 says:
    Mar 24, 2016 9:42 AM
    Goodell should have also suspended Belichek and Kraft for 4 games. You can not tell me that the coach had no knowledge of the illegal actions of his quarterback. Kraft should be suspended for harboring 2 individuals that have ruined some of the integrity of the game.
    ================
    He had no knowledge because there were no illegal actions by the “2 individuals that have ruined the game”. Hey, you do know that they have both been reinstated by the NFL and are still working at Gillette don’t you? Now why would the NFL reinstate them if they had done something illegal?…Makes you think doesn’t it?

  51. @sonhoodoo Are you speaking for ‘a lot of people outside New England’? You are not speaking for anyone I know outsider New England. In fact, the people I know who live and work in New England – but not raised there – think it is sadly humorous how unprincipled New England sports fans are. Boston sports teams have progressed from ‘loveable losers’ to ‘ win at any cost’.

  52. The talk is all cheap – and the only real purpose it serves is to feed the Pats-haters with “something else” to squawk about with no regard to proportion, reality, science, and facts. All in all – it’s shown the haters to have nothing to stand on except imagination, pretense, and bitterness. In an NFL of domestic violence, drug abuse, criminal behavior, and self-serving oblivion to CTE… this seems to be enough for the sad and bitter crowd. The real answer here is Pats and Brady taking another Lombardi and holding it high and proud next January. The Pats haters and squawkers will hate and squawk as per usual – but those of us enjoying the best football team and Q-back in history will be able to revel and celebrate – yet again. It’s coming Pats fans. Wait for it. Our time is coming again.

  53. The liars, the cheats, the ones that have benefitted from 14 years of incompetence by the other teams in their division, are the New England Patriots. There isn’t anythi nfl exceptional about Pats ownership or management except they are exceptionally lucky to benefit from playing the Jets, Bills and Dolphins 6 times every season.

  54. mickton says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:57 AM
    The day when bob joins Myra Kraft can’t come soon enough.

    ———-

    That’s a disgusting thing to say and uncalled for. I have a ton of respect for Mr. Kraft and I think he has good intentions. But as a Pats fan I believe something happened in Deflategate. There is enough circumstantial evidence to support it. Destroyed cell phone, Mr. Deflator and his unexplained bathroom stops, soft footballs found, and Brady’s preference for under inflated footballs is enough for me.

  55. “No new information”…except that the NFL acted disingenuously and knowingly hired an individual to create a fraudulent report, which has now been proven about as strongly as Roger Clemens has been proven to be a steroid user. Goodell is simply a turd of a human being.

  56. Goodell can shove his penalties up his posterior.
    BB already got 4 first round picks and one second rounder— Martellus Bennet.
    BB ” cheated” Goodell again.

  57. what evidence so called Pats fan?
    destroyed phone not evidence as Wells told Brady don’t need the phone just the messages and he got them.
    Deflator? that text occurred in May
    Bathroom? You had your toilet cam in there with him? He took the balls in so they would not be unattended
    Soft balls you and the NFL have I guess never heard of the ideal gas law and you seem to ignore the reports of the Colts balls also being under
    Pats fan? nope Pats hater? yep

  58. @patsfan4lifesbchamps…not much of a pats fan considering you havent follow this story have you? Wells told Brady HE DID NOT NEED HIS CELL PHONE.

    The deflator is not his nickname, it is “bird”. “The deflator” was found in one text message, ONE, in the off season in May.

    McNally walked by many security guards and through a locker room full of refs carrying the balls and nobody stopped him. (Probably because its his job to bring the balls to the field). He stopped at the bathroom…probably to pee…90 seconds seems like a reasonable time to do this, yeah?

    11 of 12 of Pats balls were under 12.5, yes no denying that. But also, 3 of 4 of Colts balls were under 12.5…..STRANGE HUH?

  59. mswravens says:
    Mar 24, 2016 6:46 AM
    Anyone who doesn’t realize what a complete piece of garbage Robert Kraft is either is blind or ignorant (I.e., a Patriots fan)…it all starts from the top, and his character as a human being is reflected on the cheating trash of a team he either encourages or enables.

    ____

    So, whats that make your teams owner? I mean since the Ravens, have people killers, dog killers, woman beaters, and crybabies on its team, it must all start at the top right?

  60. Again… this is biggest screw job in NFL history. 31 other owners just carved up Bob Kraft like Sunday roast and fed him to Goodell. WHY ??? ILL TELL YA WHY!!!

    6 SUPER BOWL APPEARANCES SINCE 00 -01!!!
    GOAT QUARTERBACK DRAFTED IN THE 6TH ROUND)
    THE GOAT HEAD COACH , WHO HAS STUCK A WEED UP THEIR COLLECTIVE BUTTS SINCE 00-01.

    SEE YOU ALL IN 2016 PLAYOFFS… again!!!

  61. ravenrich says:
    Mar 24, 2016 11:54 AM

    The liars, the cheats, the ones that have benefitted from 14 years of incompetence by the other teams in their division, are the New England Patriots. There isn’t anythi nfl exceptional about Pats ownership or management except they are exceptionally lucky to benefit from playing the Jets, Bills and Dolphins 6 times every season.
    ———

    I’ll go out on a limb and guess you’re a Ravens fan, so lets do a East/North divisional comparison. In the 14 seasons since the division realignment:

    Total Wins In Division: East = 472, North = 458

    Wins in Division, Excluding Division Winner: East =301, North = 299

    Seasons Second Team in Division had Better Record: North = 6, East = 3, Ties = 5

    Losing Seasons: East = 23, North = 21

    Overall, the two divisions have been comparable, with the exception of the total division wins (difference of 14), which are pretty much due to NE, because they won the division 12 of those 14 season, and the two they didn’t win, they had the same record but lost on a tiebreaker.

    The main difference between the divisions is that New England has remained at or near the top for the entire 14 years, with other teams at or near them some of the seasons, while in the North Pitt had 1 losing season, Balt and Cin each had 4, and Cleveland 12.

    Oh and in that 14 year span, Baltimore was 1-5 during the regular season against NE…..do you attribute that to the Jets, Bills and Dolphins too?

  62. Goodell is a piece of crap, he is mad because Kraft won’t let him sux his member………… Goodell needs to be with Mikey………..

  63. gisellichek says:
    Mar 24, 2016 3:03 PM
    Again… this is biggest screw job in NFL history. 31 other owners just carved up Bob Kraft like Sunday roast and fed him to Goodell. WHY ??? ILL TELL YA WHY!!!

    6 SUPER BOWL APPEARANCES SINCE 00 -01!!!
    GOAT QUARTERBACK DRAFTED IN THE 6TH ROUND)
    THE GOAT HEAD COACH , WHO HAS STUCK A WEED UP THEIR COLLECTIVE BUTTS SINCE 00-01.

    SEE YOU ALL IN 2016 PLAYOFFS… again!!!

    —————
    Hey baby you got my kicks ready? Tom promised me some side time…..you’re due

  64. Goodell opened up ALL of the league’s crooked discipline system to the courts by failing to fold on this case he cannot win, and if the Berman verdict was any indication, they’ll order Goodell to eliminate any and all penalties against both the Pats and also Brady. The Criminal Commissioner is like an undersized boxer who keeps betting into the ring (court) although he gets knocked out each time. Does he even realize that he’s the butt of jokes about his incompetence?

  65. So…why do the Colts still have their 1st Rd pick? 3/4 of their footballs were underinflated. When will Luck be asked to turn in his personal cell phone? (Dallas fan here, not a NE fan). We should all be asking ourselves how long until it’s our team getting screwed…

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