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Lawrence Taylor puts J.J. Watt in top four all time defensive players

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In only five seasons, Texans defensive end J.J. Watt already has won as many NFL defensive player of the year awards as former Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor did in his entire career. And Taylor has very high praise for the man who still has plenty of time to win a fourth one — and more.

Taylor has Watt in the top four defensive players of all time.

“In front of me I see guys like Reggie White [and] Deacon Jones,” Taylor said Saturday at a Houston-area appearance, via John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. “Do I put J.J. in front of me? No, but the guy is a phenomenal player. He can go down as one of the best players to ever play his position. . . . Every time I watch film on him or I see a game he’s playing in, the first thing that comes to my mind is this guy can go all day.”

Taylor sees two glaring omissions from Watt’s record: A league MVP award and a Super Bowl title. Taylor has both.

One thing Taylor never got was an astronomical payday, like the one new Giants defensive Olivier Vernon recently scored.

“It’s amazing how the game has changed,” Taylor said. “One of the reasons I guess a lot of the guys that played in my era don’t watch football anymore is simply because it’s like what we could have done and what we could have made, and it hurts a little bit. . . . If I played now, it would be ‘Taylor and Giants Stadium.’ They would have to give me part-ownership.”

Actually, if Taylor played today he’d be more like Von Miller — who like Taylor was the second pick in the draft. Under the rookie wage scale that came into being during Miller’s rookie year, players selected high in the process have a hard time getting paid true market value.

Between Taylor and Watt, Watt is the one who should have a problem with that, because Watt is the one whom the next compensation structure is currently screwing.

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  1. dansardo says: Mar 26, 2016 11:59 PM

    One of the greatest players in the history of the nfl. But his drug addled opinion means less than nothing. Watt is a great player but an all time great? Talk to me in about 5 years

  2. tattooit says: Mar 27, 2016 12:03 AM

    Don’t mention Von Miller or Olivia Vernon in the same sentence as LT EVER again.

    Neither of them could even carry LT’s crack pipe. Let alone his jock strap.

  3. mikealstott says: Mar 27, 2016 12:07 AM

    He also puts crack in his top four all time party drugs…

  4. kidsamoa260 says: Mar 27, 2016 12:25 AM

    Lawrence is back on the yayo.

  5. tolan04 says: Mar 27, 2016 1:08 AM

    No but he’s on his way

  6. fearsome4 says: Mar 27, 2016 1:09 AM

    Aaron Donald is better. Just not at self promotion.

  7. ttommytom says: Mar 27, 2016 1:30 AM

    Taylor is being humble. I watched every snap and he really was a crazed dog.

    He changed the game. Name the 2nd best Will? Name someone before him who did the strip sack?

    I can only imagine what he might have been like had he played in an era where players were in shape and given water.

    Yes, we played without hydration. People died.Back in the day what not even remotely better.

    LT was the best old school player ever. Period.

  8. laronmeanstheron says: Mar 27, 2016 3:37 AM

    J.J. Watt signed a $100M extension and will make $21M at the start of next year. How again is he getting screwed by the system?

  9. boobsanders says: Mar 27, 2016 4:41 AM

    If Watt wants to be considered one of the all time greats he has to do more than just beat backup caliber Centers, Guards and Right Tackles. When was the last time he beat a quality LT? Watch the film, it hasn’t happened. People that have studied him a little more have realized by now that all he does is line up against the weakest link each week and he’s telling guys to adapt accordingly. He gets first dibs, the rest of the defense has to adjust and take on tougher matchups so that Watt can dominate some poor backup quality Guard. Watch the Jets game, watch the Bengals game. That rookie Bengals RT picked him apart and shut him down. When did you ever see LT, Reggie White, Derrick Thomas get handled by nobodies? Never happened when they were in their prime.

    Watt is a great player but in order to be considered an all time great he has to prove first that he can dominate all pro’s in a regular basis. He could do it, he just doesn’t. Beating up on backup Centers isn’t going to cut it. That’s not what people will be impressed with when watching your highlights and you beat practice squad Center Mike Johnson (I just made him up) for a sack. When you have guys like LT and Derrick Thomas flying off the edge against Pro Bowl LT’s. Or Deion dominate the best receivers. Jerry Rice beat every DB that’s out there. That’s all time greatness.

  10. jjb0811 says: Mar 27, 2016 5:59 AM

    LT would have been suspended/kicked out of today’s league. DT’s happen a lot more now than in the 80’s.

  11. sportzfan says: Mar 27, 2016 6:45 AM

    I don’t agree with your last statement. here’s why… “Prior to the start of the 2014 season, the Texans and Watt agreed to a six-year contract extension, worth $100 million. Watt received $30.9 million at signing and he will receive $21 million at the start of the 2016 season if he is on the roster.” Watt is being well compensated for his work.

  12. nfl fan says: Mar 27, 2016 6:59 AM

    Best Ever!

  13. haslamdrinkshisownpee says: Mar 27, 2016 7:30 AM

    . Watt is the most entertaining and dominating defensive player I’ve ever seen with probably Ray Lewis being second. He’s the closest you can get to having the equivalent of a franchise qb on the defensive end. I’m not quite old enough to have truly appreciated how good white and Taylor were. I would love to see some comments and comparisons from people to got to see them all play.

  14. enoughofthatalready says: Mar 27, 2016 7:32 AM

    No defensive player ever had an impact on their team like Mean Joe Greene.

  15. mazenblue says: Mar 27, 2016 7:45 AM

    When you mention LT, I think of teenagers. When you say Ray Lewis, I thinkof when he got away with murder and hid his blood stained white suit. Lets ask Reggie White who he thinks is the top 4 of all time. Then it would men something. We all know already JJ Watt is a God playing with men on planet Earth.

  16. punksinplay says: Mar 27, 2016 7:46 AM

    I think he’s right and he should know.

  17. seaucidaltendencies says: Mar 27, 2016 7:51 AM

    JJ Watt also doesn’t have the crack addiction or rape charge.

  18. bartpkelly says: Mar 27, 2016 7:53 AM

    Watt should have an MVP. The voting is so skewed to QBs that it is not a level playing field.

  19. abninf says: Mar 27, 2016 8:25 AM

    If he played today, every time he got busted for cocaine he would just claim it was pot and everyone would believe him and sympathize.

  20. vikingcheesegrater says: Mar 27, 2016 8:26 AM

    Alan Page wasn’t bad either.

  21. bubbybrister/shovelpass says: Mar 27, 2016 8:28 AM

    If LT made JJ’s money, he would still be broke and a criminal. Drugs and stupidity knows no limits to their carnage and can’t be fixed with money.

  22. jeffberk2014 says: Mar 27, 2016 8:32 AM

    What’s LT been smoking?

  23. The Almighty Cabbage says: Mar 27, 2016 8:52 AM

    As a Wisconsinite, I love JJ Watt but top 4 all time? I don’t think so. Maybe after a few more years.

  24. uncletuna says: Mar 27, 2016 9:28 AM

    1) Reggie White

    2) Howie Long

    3) Alan Page

    4) Lawrence Taylor

    5) J.J. Watt

    6) Joe Greene

    7) Bob Lilly

    8) Randy White

    9) Lee Roy Selmon

    0) Gino Marchetti

  25. bigdog2372 says: Mar 27, 2016 9:39 AM

    It’s probably a little early for that talk. But he certainly may get there some day.

  26. hogbuster7 says: Mar 27, 2016 10:08 AM

    I will go to to my grave believing that if Watt came back for his senior season Wisconsin would have been in the national title game. Their only two regular season losses were at Ohio State and at Michigan State on last second Hail Mary’s the year Russell Wilson played at Wisconsin. I can’t say they would have beaten Alabama in the title game but Watt in college could take a game over and just wreck offenses all by himself. Would have been interesting.

  27. tooz72 says: Mar 27, 2016 10:34 AM

    Greatest Defensive player ever-LT
    Greatest DL ever-White
    Greatest LB ever-LT
    Greatest DB ever-Ronnie Lott

  28. campgiants63 says: Mar 27, 2016 10:54 AM

    Maybe he did say it, but nowhere in the article does LT say that Watt is in the top 4. He DOES say that Watt could “go down as one of the best to ever play his position”. The headline is misleading.

  29. igornathanhiggers says: Mar 27, 2016 10:55 AM

    You can’t play any better than Von Miller played in the playoffs. Unless you got a sack every play. Which no one does so there’s that.

    Watch the Panthers play the Seahawks and Cardinals. No defender got within 5 feet of him…then they played the Broncos and I don’t remember Cam having a second to throw.

    It’s an absolute tragedy that Von is denied the chance to get a $100 million dollar contract because Denver has no intention of offering him one when they can just franchise tag him for the next 3 years.

  30. qbarrel says: Mar 27, 2016 10:58 AM

    LT was one of the greatest ever, no doubt. But at the risk of being branded a heretic, I have to wonder if he would have been nearly as dominant against today’s bigger, stronger and more athletic O-linemen. John Hannah and Anthony Munoz were probably the best offensive linemen ever to play the game up until that point in time (LT’s era), and they barely tipped the scales at 28o lbs.

  31. nflequalswwe says: Mar 27, 2016 10:59 AM

    JJ Watt released a statement: “LT is on the right track but JJ Watt is THE greatest player of all time – period. There’s only two things JJ Watt cares about; FOOTBAW and chopping wood. JJ Watt likes to rough it alone in the offseason in his tiny, 5000 square foot “everyman” cabin in the woods complete with luxury sauna and get back to the basics. JJ Watt is the most intense human alive, a consummate pro FOOTBAW player, and a humble man to boot. You might say JJ Watt disappears in big games but JJ Watt knows better – JJ Watt is just lulling the league into a false sense of security. Somewhere there is a Scotch pine in need of a good chopping down….JJ Watt out.

  32. streetyson says: Mar 27, 2016 11:01 AM

    I used to consider LT one of the greatest defensive players ever, but nowadays I just can’t, nor can I even listen to the guy or accept his cocaine-blasted opinions. For it’s not just the two drug-based league suspensions he had whilst playing, it’s his two later admissions – of using other players’ urine to cheat yet more tests, and of sending hookers to visiting team’s hotels in an effort to tire them out or at least reduce their sleep/rest the night before a big game. The guy had no integrity, and even by the looser standards of the day was in reality a massive cheat who should have been banned long before he accumulated that record or any ring.

  33. qbarrel says: Mar 27, 2016 11:02 AM

    “It’s an absolute tragedy that Von is denied the chance to get a $100 million dollar contract because Denver has no intention of offering him one when they can just franchise tag him for the next 3 years.”

    And if you are a Broncos fan and want to stay competitive in the near future, you should thank your lucky stars that he won’t.

  34. tdbragg says: Mar 27, 2016 11:04 AM

    A couple of points to ponder . 1) Mean Joe Greene in his prime was as dominant a defensive player as the league had ever seen . If you dont believe it check out some you tube . The film doesnt lie . Taylor never mentioned him . 2) If Taylor was playing in the league today under todays rules he would be gone . As crazy as that sounds he would be . The multiple arrests for cocaine abuse and spousal abuse would have taken him out a long time ago .

  35. The Almighty Cabbage says: Mar 27, 2016 11:05 AM

    enoughofthatalready says:
    Mar 27, 2016 7:32 AM

    No defensive player ever had an impact on their team like Mean Joe Greene.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just to play devil’s advocate, I’m going to have to disagree and I was always a fan of “Mean Joe.” Reggie White almost single-handedly resurrected the Packers from the doldrums of the 70’s and 80’s. People can talk about Favre all they want to but Reggie signing with the Pack legitimized the team in the eyes of other players, which was desperately needed.

    How bad was it…?

    Prior to Edgar Bennett, the last 1,000 yard rusher for the Pack was Terdell Middleton. My older brother went to the same college as Terdell (known as Memphis State University back then, known as The University of Memphis now) and shared a few of the same classes. As the draft approached, one of their professors asked Terdell where he hoped to go and his answer was “Man, anywhere but Green Bay.”

    It was tough to be a Packer fan during that time.

  36. marvin1958 says: Mar 27, 2016 11:08 AM

    “Best Ever” debates are mindless at best. There will NEVER be a “best ever” kids … commit that to your very being and LIVE it.

    Or not…

    This could very well be the BEST EVER post anywhere on the internet.

    No extra charge, guys.

  37. pats are better than your team says: Mar 27, 2016 11:15 AM

    Bill Belichick made LT.

  38. wartface says: Mar 27, 2016 11:15 AM

    JJ Watt is building a legacy that can be unrivaled by all that have preceded him in the NFL.

    Time will tell. Go JJ!

    I’m an unbiased Cardinals fan.

  39. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Mar 27, 2016 11:19 AM

    “Watt is the one whom the next compensation structure is currently screwing.”

    Watt has made $40M i so far and his current contract is for 6 years $100M with $52M guaranteed he’s hardly hurting.

    I was a kid when Jones was at the top of his game. Taylor was the best I ever saw. He is being humble putting Reggie White ahead of himself and that’s no knock on White. Taylor was just that good.

  40. jonathankrobinson424 says: Mar 27, 2016 11:49 AM

    ……..loved watching LT…he was a terror and opposing players KNEW and feared him. JJWatt plays in the AFC South…nuff said…

  41. lastnameiswilson says: Mar 27, 2016 12:10 PM

    JJ Watt is a BEAST! Tell me you wouldn’t want him on your DLINE……..

  42. nflrule says: Mar 27, 2016 12:18 PM

    Taylor,R.White,Lott,Butkus.

  43. iseek11 says: Mar 27, 2016 12:28 PM

    “Screwing” you say? “Screwing”? When your talking degrees of millionaires to the average blue collar reader, it’s a bit insulting. Everyone mentioned in this article is probably doing better than everyone reading it. Hard to feel sorry for players of LTs era who can’t stomach watching today’s football due to jealousy over money.

  44. garby95 says: Mar 27, 2016 1:01 PM

    I understand LT if he’s envy about the kind of money players make this days. He may think whith that money he could have partied really hard.

  45. followme2boston says: Mar 27, 2016 1:11 PM

    Not a single person here once mentioned the all time sacks leader who played the same position as JJ Watt. If Watt
    wants to be the greatest of all time, he should first try being the greatest at his position and that territory belongs to Bruce Smith.

  46. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 27, 2016 1:12 PM

    It’s obviously up for discussion. maybe too early to tell. However, I’m not going to tell LT He’s wrong. The guy still scares me. He may be the greatest NFLer of all time. Simply a beast.

  47. followme2boston says: Mar 27, 2016 1:12 PM

    Besides that the last time we listened to a crack head about who the greatest is, the Browns ended up drafting Johnny Football.

  48. mongo3401 says: Mar 27, 2016 1:45 PM

    Jan Watt is nothing compared to LT. The NFL had no way to drop LT. Watt is now being stopped by many LTs LGs and RTs If he played in a stronger division it would be quite evident. Good player? Yes but the media has so over hyped this guy it’s ridiculous.

  49. illogicalvoicesinmyhead says: Mar 27, 2016 1:48 PM

    Top 5 pass rushers all time:

    Dexter Manley
    Charles Mann
    Brian Orakpo
    Ryan Kerrigan
    Bruce Smith

    In that order

  50. boowho42 says: Mar 27, 2016 2:05 PM

    Let ndamukong Suh,move around the line,he can be an all time great

  51. raiderbri100 says: Mar 27, 2016 2:24 PM

    Comprehend how great LT could if he wasn’t stoned half the time…….

  52. cobibones13 says: Mar 27, 2016 3:41 PM

    Even Von Miller’s rookie deal dwarfed any contract from the early 1980s when LT was drafted.
    So everything LT said still rings true. Don’t know why your trying to make players still on rookie contracts seem like they’re poor.

  53. ruffbufffire says: Mar 27, 2016 4:08 PM

    Bruce Smith leads in sacks!

  54. masher1965 says: Mar 27, 2016 4:18 PM

    Whenever you try to name best player of anything of all time, you always have to consider the game of the era. LT most certainly redefined the game with his play as a pass rushing linebacker and was dominant when he played. However, he was hardly the only one to ever do so.

    Reggie White has to be considered one of the best, if not the best as well, as he could play anywhere on the d-line and was couldn’t be blocked. He too had to be schemed for and was just as dominant as LT.

    I also think you just can’t ignore the players from 1960’s and ’70’s, before they kept stats like QB sacks and before it was such a pro passing league. You have to wonder just how good LT or JJ Watt would be if they had to play the run 65% (or more) of the time, like Dick Butkus, Bill George, Deacon Jones, and the rest had to.

  55. kev86 says: Mar 27, 2016 5:00 PM

    LT was the best ever. Von Miller? Lol

  56. wozzmann1955 says: Mar 27, 2016 5:05 PM

    In 1967,Deacon Jones had 21½ sacks in only 14 games, which (if official) would stand as the single-season record. (The term “sack” had not yet been coined at the time, and official sack statistics were not recorded by the NFL until 1982.) Then in 1968, Jones tallied 22 sacks in 14 games, also more than the current NFL record.[11]

    Seems they all forget bout him,,,how handy

  57. thirdand43 says: Mar 27, 2016 5:26 PM

    LT had a great supporting cast around him, too. Carl Banks was on the other side and Harry Carson was in the middle. He had a solid D line and secondary as well
    If Jadaveon Clowney could manage to give a schidt, stay healthy and/or play hurt and start occupying some of the opponents’ attention, JJ could get 28 sacks per season.

  58. silverandblack052099 says: Mar 27, 2016 5:33 PM

    If LT played today he would get a big money deal but wouldn’t see much of the money because he would be a member of the suspended indefinitely club (Josh Gordon, Aldon Smith, Justin Blackmon)

  59. enoughofthatalready says: Mar 27, 2016 5:42 PM

    I have to chime in again. Before Mean Joe Greene, the Steelers never won a playoff game in the 36 years of existence. 4 years in after drafting Mean Joe, they win a playoff game and 7 years later they won their 4th Super Bowl. He did not resurrect a team, he created a team. He single handedly won a game all by himself against the Oilers when half the team was hurt and sick. His double teams and triple teams made the Steel Curtain better. Many stats were not kept when he played and his presence in the locker room and on the field was unmatched. Mean Joe spit on Dick Butkus in his rookie season and challenged him to a fight. He also used to threaten bodily harm to his teammates if they did not play to their potential in games.

  60. nhpats says: Mar 27, 2016 6:28 PM

    uncletuna says:
    Mar 27, 2016 9:28 AM
    1) Reggie White

    2) Howie Long

    3) Alan Page

    4) Lawrence Taylor

    5) J.J. Watt

    6) Joe Greene

    7) Bob Lilly

    8) Randy White

    9) Lee Roy Selmon

    0) Gino Marchetti

    ———
    What about Dick Butkus?

  61. gianthater says: Mar 27, 2016 6:34 PM

    Apparently Taylor never heard of Gino Marchetti.

  62. justintuckrule says: Mar 27, 2016 6:43 PM

    Haters bring up drugs and hookers. Unbiased Football fans who watched him know that LT was a monster who ate those players you all call ‘beasts’ now. Think about that for a sec

  63. igotsanduskied says: Mar 27, 2016 7:22 PM

    You say Deacon Jones had 21.5 sacks in 14 games? Impressive, but I’ll take Reggie White’s strike shortened 1987 season: 21 sacks in 12 games.

  64. justintuckrule says: Mar 27, 2016 7:39 PM

    LT was just being modest putting Reggie white ahead of him. No way was white better. Giants schemed him just fine plenty of times. LT was un-schemeable. To the youngins… Picture Von Miller and a watt hybrid. LT was faster than Miller and stronger than watt (even though he didn’t look it). Double team with the chip still didn’t stop him. Seriously.

  65. thisonesforpat says: Mar 27, 2016 7:43 PM

    No one is gonna care but the only mistake I ever heard Al Davis admit to was trading Rich Jackson. Jackson’s head-slap was every bit as vicious as Deacon’s and if you see tape, you’ll agree

  66. annes22 says: Mar 27, 2016 8:24 PM

    LT has nothing to write home about. His behavior after caught up with him.

  67. tomtravis76 says: Mar 27, 2016 8:35 PM

    One guy who was great and dominated his position…Bubba Smith.

  68. raymondtx says: Mar 27, 2016 9:10 PM

    LT was suspended more than once for failing drug tests…in the 80s when the NFL let everything go. He would have been in josh Gordon’s shoes if he played today. I take watt any day over LT.

  69. The Almighty Cabbage says: Mar 27, 2016 9:45 PM

    thirdand43 says:
    Mar 27, 2016 5:26 PM

    LT had a great supporting cast around him, too. Carl Banks was on the other side and Harry Carson was in the middle. He had a solid D line and secondary as well
    If Jadaveon Clowney could manage to give a schidt, stay healthy and/or play hurt and start occupying some of the opponents’ attention, JJ could get 28 sacks per season.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And likely a bunch for Clowney as well. Great Googly Moogly, what a tandem they could be if Clowney gets his act together! I personally would love to see it… and I would be quite thankful that they’re not in the same division as my Packers.

  70. arcross12042004scorp15 says: Mar 27, 2016 9:47 PM

    Bruce Smith is the All Time Leader in Sacks and Tackles for a Loss and he doesn’t get a mention ?

  71. blackqbwhiterb says: Mar 27, 2016 10:13 PM

    LT changed the game. LT is the reason Left Tackles get drafted in the 1 st round. Linemen were never hardly taken in the 1st rd before he came along. And hate him all you like, but watch Ray Lewis in his Super Bowl (and that playoff run ) in 99-00, there’s never been a middle linebacker more dominant. He was EVERYWHERE. In terms of D-Linemen, gotta say Reggie White & Mean Joe Greene. In the back? Ronnie Lott, Mel Blount, Rod Woodson, there’ve been a lot that would be hard to number. Fun to ponder these things for sure!

  72. stigman2012 says: Mar 27, 2016 10:30 PM

    Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Joe Greene, Ray Nitsche, Mike Singletary, Richard Dent, Ray Lewis….yawn

  73. sopadegato says: Mar 27, 2016 10:44 PM

    As a Texans fan, I have to say two words: “AFC South”. It helps a lot when you can stat-pad against OL-weak teams like the Colts, Titans, and Jags six games a year.

    He’s good, yeah, damn good. But he’s not everything, and a double team can – and will – neutralize him entirely.

    That said, there are times Watt completely vanishes, and not against good lines, either. The oh-so-fearsome Giants’ OL has managed to neutralize him for at least the last two years running. They’re not the only ones.

  74. gonakgod says: Mar 27, 2016 10:49 PM

    Don’t forget that LT also power bombed bam bam bigelow. Damn.

  75. tonebones says: Mar 27, 2016 11:15 PM

    Ronnie Lott is the best defensive player I’ve ever seen. Deion Sanders dominated like no other CB in history.

  76. namriverrat69 says: Mar 28, 2016 2:20 AM

    Anyone who played against Dick Butkus might disagree with LT being the greatest. Butkus career was cut short by knee injuries which destroyed so many careers of top players in the 60s & 70s. Having watched Butkus destroy opponents week in and week out was so powerful. He was amazing. That is just my opinion however wrong I may be.

  77. namriverrat69 says: Mar 28, 2016 2:28 AM

    tomtravis76

    Before Bubba Smith there was David “Big Daddy” Lipscomb with the Baltimore Colts.

  78. pioniere says: Mar 28, 2016 11:05 AM

    Von Miller is a very good player, but he has a LONG way to go to be in the same company as LT. A long way.

  79. scrappler says: Mar 28, 2016 3:23 PM

    tooz72 says:
    Mar 27, 2016 10:34 AM

    Greatest Defensive player ever-LT
    Greatest DL ever-White
    Greatest LB ever-LT
    Greatest DB ever-Ronnie Lott

    =====

    funny, even LT himself doesn’t agree with you.

  80. scrappler says: Mar 28, 2016 3:51 PM

    namriverrat69 says:
    Mar 28, 2016 2:20 AM

    Anyone who played against Dick Butkus might disagree with LT being the greatest. Butkus career was cut short by knee injuries which destroyed so many careers of top players in the 60s & 70s. Having watched Butkus destroy opponents week in and week out was so powerful. He was amazing. That is just my opinion however wrong I may be.

    ======

    LT disagrees with LT being the greatest… seeing has he puts reggie white and deacon jones in front of himself.

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