Scientists submit brief in support of Tom Brady

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On Monday, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the NFL Players Association filed a petition for rehearing of the ruling that reinstated Brady’s four-game suspension. On Tuesday, a group of professors of physics and engineering submitted a brief in support of Brady’s position.

The eight-page document, filed by 21 professors at MIT, Cal, Michigan, USC, Stanford, Delaware, Purdue, Penn, Boston College, Minnesota, focuses on the application of the Ideal Gas Law to the footballs used by the Patriots during the AFC championship game played in January 2015. It strongly disputes the conclusions made by the NFL in the investigation that resulted in a finding that tampering with footballs had occurred.

The argument is fundamentally no different than the point PFT has made consistently since the official PSI numbers were released in May 2015: With the Ideal Gas Law necessarily causing the air pressure in the footballs to drop during the first half of the game, tampering with the footballs would have resulted in dramatically lower readings than the actual numbers measured by the NFL.

Included with the written presentation is a claim that the professors have obtained field-temperature date for more than 10,000 outdoor NFL games played since 1960, and that approximately 61 percent of all games would have included footballs that dropped in air pressure below the minimum of 12.5 PSI, if the footballs were inflated to 13.0 at kickoff. For footballs inflated (as the Patriots were) toward the low end of the range, roughly 82 percent of all games would have included footballs below the minimum.

“As professors, we cannot fathom how it is permissible to impose punishment for the possibility of a negligible increment of pressure loss, when underinflated footballs are common to NFL games, when laws of physics cause much larger pressure drops, and when the very possibility of an additional increment of pressure loss was generated from assumptions of the league’s choosing rather than data,” the brief concludes. “In the name of science, we support the petition for rehearing.”

Technically irrelevant to the issues pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the brief contains the kind of commonsensical information that could persuade a judge to take a more favorable view of the overall case. And while footnote No. 1 to the brief points out that “[n]o party’s counsel authored this brief in whole or in part” and that “[n]o party, no counsel for any party, and no person other than [the professors] or their counsel contributed money that was intended to fund preparation or submission of this brief,” it’s a development that Brady and the NFLPA surely welcome. It also wouldn’t be surprising to learn that the legal team representing Brady and the NFLPA instigated the filing.

Why shouldn’t they? The scientific principles articulated in the brief are accurate, but those same principles haven’t received nearly the attention they deserve, at any stage of the disciplinary process or the litigation.

The numbers measured by the NFL were in line with what the science would have predicted. If air deliberately had been removed from the footballs, the PSI readings necessarily would have been much, much lower.

Thus, to the extent that Brady’s suspension arises from tampering with footballs used in the January 2015 AFC title game, the evidence of tampering remains inconclusive at best. Even if that dynamic is never mentioned by any judge serving on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in any further documents generated by these proceedings, the 13 judges who will be determining whether to grant the request for a rehearing need to process and digest the information provided by these 21 professors.

122 responses to “Scientists submit brief in support of Tom Brady

  1. So Tom Brady hawks NeuroSafe anti-concussion water and says western medicine is bunk…but now that science can get him out of being punished for cheating, all of a sudden he’s pro-science.

    Tom Brady is a disgrace.

  2. This is a witch hunt, pressure must be put on Owners and their Commissioner to drop this ridiculous waste of time and effort. This is the fault of the owners who are the collective bosses of Rodger.

  3. Exactly what Patriot fans have been saying, science proves there was no tampering!
    But why did the NFL lie about 11/12 footballs being ” 2 pounds under”????
    Why didn’t the NFL punish the colts for having 3/4 footballs under regulation?
    Why did Goodell lie about Tom’s testimony ?
    Why wouldn’t Goodell let Tom’s lawyer see the notes from the Pash/wells report? What are they hiding?
    Why did Goodell lie & say the Wells report was independent?
    Lots of questions, no answers.

  4. Add to all that the fact that two different pressure gauges were used, one that said the pressure was within spec, and the other said they were under. The NFL, of course, went with the bad reading, even though in the world of measurement if two instruments give you different answers you know nothing until you figure out which instrument is right.

    Does the NFL even pay attention to calibration of the pressure gauges? If they’re going to hand out suspensions over a ball being 0.1 or .02 lbs under inflated, the gauges better be accurate.

  5. Wow – field – temperature date [did you mean data?] for more than 10,000 outdoor NFL games played since 1960 and 61% of all games would have included footballs that dropped in air pressure below the minimum of 12.5PSI? That is impressive. I just don’t see how anyone can argue with that. And if there was no wrong doing to begin with, then why are there 4 game suspension and what was it a million dollar fine and loss of draft picks, again?

    I cannot fathom how a punishment can be imposed either and I never have. I’m dumbfounded to think anyone else does.

  6. …Tom Brady blinded them with science….

    SCIENCE!

    silly professors, this is not about science! How about filing a brief in support of the CBA and the commissioner’s ability to suspend players as he sees fit?

  7. @ iberiasaint – I think NFL fans around the League who have hissed their disapproval of Brady based on a lie, that footballs were deflated are just as much to blame as the team owners. If the rest of the League had expressed understanding of what the NFL was actually doing and disapproval, this might have gone a different way. Fans are supporting Goodell and the NFL for the most part, whether they think he is right or not, just because it is the Patriots.

  8. dynastyfootballforme says:
    May 25, 2016 2:51 PM
    For all fans of the game, let’s hope this is the straw that breaks Goodell’s back.

    =========================

    Why? NFL revenues and ratings are at an all time high. When you purport to speak for “all fans of the game,” I think you really mean “all Pats fans of the game.”

  9. 10 Schools, – 8 Pages.

    Not written by scientists.

    Scientist is not a degree.

    I am a scientist.

  10. “The scientific principles articulated in the brief are accurate, but those same principles haven’t received nearly the attention they deserve, at any stage of the disciplinary process or the litigation.”

    Could it be because of physical evidence that proves the balls were taken into a restroom when they were supposed to be in the possession of the officials?

  11. For the mikermikers among us, this means that not only does the Ideal Gas Law explain the supposed “tampering” that Kensil et al thought was witchcraft, but it also simultaneously excludes actual tampering because if there had been any the psi would have been way lower. Science. The End.

  12. C’mon now……we’re not going to start considering logic and common sense in the case, now are we?

    Everyone knows that Roger Goodell, and ONLY Roger Goodell has the authority to decide what the psi level of those footballs were. Doesn’t matter how many times Mike Kensil weighed them at halftime, or whether he used a Patriots scale, a Colts scale, or whether Walt Anderson said he never weighed them pre-game. Roger Goodell is THE MAN and gets to decide everything that ever needed to be decided.

    By the way, 82% of balls that ‘weighed’ 12.5 pre-game since ’62 dropped below the legal limit? Looks like someone at 345 Park Avenue better put in a requisition for asterisks, because they’re gonna need a lot of them….gonna take some time passing those out.

  13. …”commonsensical information…” That dog won’t hunt in a world where Goodell is judge, jury and executioner. It’s clear as day this has been an adulterated, grievous witch hunt.

  14. Ah, but notice how even most haters have finally given up on their psi claim due to lack of evidence. Now they say it’s about the CBA, or the phone. Well, the CBA states clearly that the appeal process has to be “fair” and it wasn’t, so Goodell violated it. And the phone? Goodell already had (and leaked) all texts between Brady and anyone connected with access or interest to the balls. Which is why one off-season text not about footballs is used because it uses the word deflate, but a few in-season texts in which Brady’s instructions for balls at 12.5psi is stated are completely ignored.

  15. OH — and besides that — if the footballs were going to deflate in cold wet conditions to begin with, why would anyone need to deflate them in the first place, when all they had to do was wait for the balls to get on the field? lol

  16. bleedingfacemask says:
    May 25, 2016 3:01 PM

    “The scientific principles articulated in the brief are accurate, but those same principles haven’t received nearly the attention they deserve, at any stage of the disciplinary process or the litigation.”

    Could it be because of physical evidence that proves the balls were taken into a restroom when they were supposed to be in the possession of the officials?
    —–

    so Brady gets suspended 4 games because someone else took the balls into a bathroom?

    lmao!

  17. @itbacw – no doubt you had take a deep guzzle of the haterade to get that one out.

    First of all Brady never said that Western Science is bunk, though he does believe in non-traditional medicine. They are not mutually exclusive. 20 years ago the idea of getting acupuncture to treat sports injuries was unheard of if not scoffed at. Today it is very mainstream.

    Fact is science was always on Brady’s side, the NFL never had science or the law on it’s side, just the idea that the CBA will allow the commissioner to do pretty much anything he pleases.

  18. Four judges have rendered a decision on this case. Two have sided with Brady and two have sided with Goodell. Obviously, legally speaking, the CBA isn’t a slam dunk that Goodell can do whatever the hell he wants.

    Now the 2nd circuit at large has an opportunity to do what judges are supposed to do – administer justice. And justice says loud and clear that if science shows no ball tampering, Brady deserves a hearing before the entire court and the suspension should be lifted.

  19. wwwmattcom says:
    May 25, 2016 2:59 PM
    Who payed the scientists?

    ***************************
    Clearly not the people who taught you grammar.

  20. Eff Roger Goodell.

    It is easier to fool people than it is to convince people they have been fooled.

  21. The Patriots also customarily pre-fill their own gameballs with pre-heated air so ‘ideal gas law’ is even more of a prominent factor in their *alleged* deflation, right?

  22. I would love to hear the scientists opinion on the guy that lost weight being called “The Deflator.”

    Brady destroying his old phones.

    Equipment personnel hanging out in the bathroom with the footballs.

  23. executive summary: Nobody took any air out of any footballs.

    The NFL even knows this, but to hold out and not admit it seems to be worth MILLIONS to them, since admitting the truth may cost them some POWER.

    I’m just a guy with a Ph.D. in chemistry, a professor who has been saying since the day after the game that it is a crying shame that 300-year-old science cannot be grasped by the masses.

    The rampant ignorance is because the public in general believes the pack of lies that has been fed to them by the NFL, the National Factory of Lies.

  24. At best, Brady conspired to have the footballs inflated on the lower end of the spectrum.

    But even that seems like a reach based on the evidence.
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    Brady has said all along (both during his open press conference that addressed deflate-gate before the SB and under oath) but there was no conspiracy. He is 100% allowed to be on the low end of the legal limit. That is when Eli said he also likes his on the low end of the spectrum and Rogers chimed in and said he preferred his on the high end or a tick over the limit.

  25. pocketsstraight says:
    May 25, 2016 2:56 PM

    At best, Brady conspired to have the footballs inflated on the lower end of the spectrum.

    But even that seems like a reach based on the evidence.
    ————————-

    That’s exactly what he did. No conspiracy was needed for that.

    It’s all detailed in his appeal hearing testimony.

  26. can they explain why brady destroyed his phone, or why that one dude was calling himself the deflator?

  27. idpfantasyfootball says:

    …Tom Brady blinded them with science….

    SCIENCE!

    silly professors, this is not about science! How about filing a brief in support of the CBA and the commissioner’s ability to suspend players as he sees fit?
    —————

    You’re right that this is periphery to this court… but making the court aware of these facts could influence whether the en banc is approved. Coupled with Roger’s ignoring past precedence on degree of punishment and inconsistencies across the board may be enough to beat the odds.

    If the court is convinced that the issues decided were bigger in nature than just the NFL, but would have an impact on future union negotiations in general… you may see a reversal in the en banc hearing.

    Long shot, but a shot nonetheless.

  28. beelicker says:

    The Patriots also customarily pre-fill their own gameballs with pre-heated air so ‘ideal gas law’ is even more of a prominent factor in their *alleged* deflation, right?

    ———
    Source?

  29. bleedingfacemask says:
    May 25, 2016 3:01 PM

    Could it be because of physical evidence that proves the balls were taken into a restroom when they were supposed to be in the possession of the officials?
    ———————–

    Nope. Where did you get the notion that the footballs were supposed to be in the possession of the officials?

  30. Patriots as a franchise also filed an amicus brief a short time ago…First time since Al Davis and the Raiders! Maybe Kraft has had enough…

  31. stealthjunk says:
    May 25, 2016 3:01 PM

    dynastyfootballforme says:
    May 25, 2016 2:51 PM
    For all fans of the game, let’s hope this is the straw that breaks Goodell’s back.

    =========================

    Why? NFL revenues and ratings are at an all time high. When you purport to speak for “all fans of the game,” I think you really mean “all Pats fans of the game.”
    ——————————-
    You need to pay attention. The Pats and Brady aren’t the first team Goodell has screwed with his arbitrary rulings. They aren’t even the latest.

  32. The same science that believes in man-made climate change I suppose.
    Regardless, Brady’s problems stem from disregarding legal requests, tampering with evidence, and outright lying to investigators. Pats fans will never get this and science certainly doesn’t explain it.
    It’s cheating. lying and tampering.

  33. Goodell could clear all of this up just by bringing along the results of the “random” psi spot checks that were performed last season.

    Explaining why the balls were changed at halftime of that Vikings playoff game would help too.

  34. This is where osiris the alleged scientist gets to chime in with his BS claim about having authored six books on thermodynamics. I’d love to see how his credentials stack up against these scientists.

  35. i, flounder says:
    May 25, 2016 3:19 PM
    can they explain why brady destroyed his phone, or why that one dude was calling himself the deflator?
    #########################
    Brady always destroys his phones when he gets new ones, Wells said he didn’t need it and Brady wasn’t going to give it to them regardless so why does it matter what he did with it??

    McNally referred to himself as the deflator ONCE in a text message the year prior in the off season. Please stop with this. If there was no crime in the first place why does any of this matter??

  36. Apparently thay aren’t aware this case has already been tried. At this stage, the gas law’s affect (good or bad to the case) are no longer part of the consideration. The sole issue at this point is whether Goodell has the authority to suspend Tom Brady. And the actual affects of the gas law on footballs doesn’t negate the fact the Tom destroyed evidence & there was sufficient evidence considered to prove Tom was at the minimum complicit in an attempt to subvert ythe rules. Conjecture input from people who may or may not have a vested interest in the outcome & doesn’t allow for a cross examination all after the case has already been tried & consideration of this input is no longer being considered by the 2nd Circuit is worthwhile to those trying to sell media…but doesn’t (and shouldn’t) affect the case.

  37. wwwmattcom says:
    May 25, 2016 3:01 PM

    10 Schools, – 8 Pages.

    Not written by scientists.

    Scientist is not a degree.
    I am a scientist.
    ————————————————-
    Did you bother to read the article? or just the headline?
    21 Professors who are indeed scientists , in fact they are professors of physics and engineering .
    apparent you have never met a professor!

  38. Basically the CBA says Goodells word is more powerful than the laws of physics. What an awful deal for the NFLPA. And you guys thought Albert Haynesworth contract was bad!

  39. saints737 says:
    May 25, 2016 3:25 PM
    Then why did he destroy his cell phone?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Brady might have destroyed the cell phone because: maybe it contained information about problems in his marriage, or confidential discussions of legal matters, or confidential business dealings, or negative comments about teammates or owners, or criticisms of sponsors’ products, or criticisms of his children and family, or evidence of insider trading, or evidence that a friend is having an affair, or…..any one of millions of other reasons.

    That might not seem reasonable to you, however a court should view it as reasonable because:

    The NFL demonstrated PRIOR bad faith on Deflategate issues by publishing false information, leaking false accusations to ESPN, failing to correct ESPN’s published errors, and failing to acknowledge that the “scientific” findings in the Wells Report were fundamentally unsound.

    Brady’s decision to destroy the cellphone is perfectly reasonable given the NFL’s prior bad faith.

  40. beauregard says:
    May 25, 2016 3:29 PM
    The same science that believes in man-made climate change I suppose.
    Regardless, Brady’s problems stem from disregarding legal requests, tampering with evidence, and outright lying to investigators. Pats fans will never get this and science certainly doesn’t explain it.

    ________________

    Please cite to sources where (a) Brady disregarded legal requests; (b) tampered with evidence; and (c) outright lied to investigators. Incredibly, everything you wrote is untrue.

    And if you are referring to the tired old rant of a “destroyed” cell phone, he was NEVER asked to turn it over.

    I await your citations.

  41. beauregard says:
    May 25, 2016 3:29 PM

    The same science that believes in man-made climate change I suppose.
    Regardless, Brady’s problems stem from disregarding legal requests, tampering with evidence, and outright lying to investigators. Pats fans will never get this and science certainly doesn’t explain it.
    It’s cheating. lying and tampering.
    ——————–

    What legal request did he disregard?
    What evidence did he tamper with?
    What lies did he tell investigators?

  42. To all the why’d-he-destroy-his-cellphone theorists: Remember how one of Brady’s emails about a pool cover became “news” after it somehow got out? THAT’s why he destroyed his cell. Because even before Deflategate his privacy was at perpetual risk. I would have destroyed my phone rather than risk some peon at NFL HQ selling my texts to TMZ for $50k too. And so would you.

  43. Because backing Tom Brady is so much more important than I don’t know, maybe finding a cure for the Zika virus?? Seriously?? Talk about not having your priorities straight.

  44. This is absolutely laughable. For this to be plausible one must ignore the Deflator taking a bag of footballs from the refs and taking them into a bathroom, which is a rule violation. And one would have to disregard the texts about Brady compensating the Deflator.
    Besides, it’s moot. The judges can’t take this into consideration because it’s about labor laws and a Collective Bargaining Agreement. It’s funny how these scientists can be so smart but so stupid at the same exact moment.

  45. “The sole issue at this point is whether Goodell has the authority to suspend Tom Brady.”

    No. You are wrong, wrong, wrong.

    To all the idiots that think this, you are missing the basic point: the CBA requires the process to be fair and science proves it wasn’t.

  46. @Karnak – Tom Brady’s exact words, straight from his own mouth: “When you say ‘this sounds like quackery,’ there’s a lot of things that I see on a daily basis in western medicine that I think ‘wow, why would they ever do that? That is crazy! That doesn’t work!'”

    He said this right after defending his use of NeuroSafe concussion drink. He’s a nut.

  47. saints737 says:
    May 25, 2016 3:25 PM

    Then why did he destroy his cell phone?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Based on advice from council to not set a precident where employer cannot have right to our privately owned personal devices.

    Would you turn your cell phone over to your boss? The police without warrant?

  48. patsbrat says:
    May 25, 2016 3:56 PM
    Found the doc – search for Case 15-2801 Document 271-1

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    You can get it at the wellsreportincontext site as well.

  49. I understand that the trolls will never get the following point. But I’m gonna try anyway.

    If there is no dead body, then it doesn’t matter what you do with the gun. It doesn’t matter what nickname you had. And it doesn’t matter what you did in the bathroom.

    If I stand on the bridge over the river and toss my recently fired gun into the river there should be no trial for murder unless you at least have a dead body or even at least a missing person.

    Let go of the phone/bathroom/nickname people!

  50. Yawn. Some MIT profs got their buddies to write up a supposed “scientific analysis”. Where is MIT again? Boston. I’m sure some profs at Johns Hopkins and Purdue who are Ravens and Colts fans could write up an “analysis” as well debunking the whole thing.

    There is no debunking The Deflator.

  51. tebowislife says:
    May 25, 2016 4:03 PM
    Yawn. Some MIT profs got their buddies to write up a supposed “scientific analysis”. Where is MIT again? Boston. I’m sure some profs at Johns Hopkins and Purdue who are Ravens and Colts fans could write up an “analysis” as well debunking the whole thing.
    **************************
    Which New England states are Cal, Michigan, USC, Stanford, Delaware, Purdue, Penn, and Minnesota located in again?

  52. tebowislife says:
    May 25, 2016 4:03 PM
    Yawn. Some MIT profs got their buddies to write up a supposed “scientific analysis”. Where is MIT again? Boston.
    ****************************
    Actually it’s in Cambridge. That’s ok, your geographical acumen is about as good as your scientific acumen.

  53. Tee hee 🙂

    Can it be any more obvious that Patriot Hater is getting really nervous? Nope!

    🙂

    #TheyShouldBe

  54. Science will also explain how he smashed his cellphone and had a guy named “The Deflator” on his contacts.

  55. idpfantasyfootball says:
    May 25, 2016 2:57 PM

    silly professors, this is not about science! How about filing a brief in support of the CBA and the commissioner’s ability to suspend players as he sees fit?
    —————————————————-
    Silly comment. How about supporting the part of the CBA that says Goodell can`t let a a 3rd party (Vincent) rule on this kind of violation. Or that the CBA says equipment violations are only punishable by fines. (like the Jets got for over inflated kicking balls) You can`t just say support the part of the CBA that gives you the result you want. Unless of course your Roger Goodell. Over inflated a fine. Under inflated and heads must roll? Makes no sense. Goodell being given power in the CBA and him abusing the power he was given are 2 different things.

  56. Too bad this appeal has nothing to do with science. It’s about Rodgers powers as stipulated in the CBA. That’s the only point in debate. Brady loses.

  57. I understand that the trolls will never get the following point. But I’m gonna try anyway.

    If there is no dead body, then it doesn’t matter what you do with the gun. It doesn’t matter what nickname you had. And it doesn’t matter what you did in the bathroom.

    If I stand on the bridge over the river and toss my recently fired gun into the river there should be no trial for murder unless you at least have a dead body or even at least a missing person.

    Let go of the phone/bathroom/nickname people!

    ————————————
    It has been said that —you can’t fix stupid.
    Many gullible dupes are still fixated on the replaced telephone or the random off season text message, just as the NFL media smear campaign was intended to do. Give the simpletons something simple to satisfy their simple minds.

  58. Even BP had scientists saying the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will not cause long term damage to the environment. Better question is how many of these Brady scientists will now have access to the Kraft foundation money to fund their projects?

  59. tebowislife says:
    May 25, 2016 4:03 PM

    I’m sure some profs at Johns Hopkins and Purdue who are Ravens and Colts fans could write up an “analysis” as well debunking the whole thing.
    ——————————————————
    So the part about Purdue being involved in it went right over your head huh. I`m a Bengals fan and hate the Steelers and their fans so I understand people hating the Patriots but being on Goodell`s side on any argument has to feel dirty. I would much rather side with Steeler fans than Goodell. Fandom is great but have some pride. This would`ve been over 15 months ago if Goodell wasn`t commissioner.

  60. Any scientific data on smashed cell phones?

    Are these the same “scientist” who get paid to fudge Global warming numbers?

  61. tebowislife says:
    May 25, 2016 4:03 PM
    Yawn. Some MIT profs got their buddies to write up a supposed “scientific analysis”. Where is MIT again? Boston. I’m sure some profs at Johns Hopkins and Purdue who are Ravens and Colts fans could write up an “analysis” as well debunking the whole thing.

    There is no debunking The Deflator.

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    That’s not how science works bud, but you keep trying. FYI, the 21 scientists were from all over the country and the MIT professor is from Philadelphia and is an Eagles fan. Strike two.

  62. I just read the Patriots organization ALSO filed a brief supporting Tom Brady in his battle against the NFL….man I LOVE IT!!!!
    Kraft going all Al Davis…. YES & it’s about freakin’ time!!!!

  63. For the 43rd time, nope. Not sure what “scientists” these are but they’re wrong. Nothing can be proven by any of these data sets. The sample size is far too small, there are far too many ancillary factors which may or may not have affected the ball inflation. The tenets of the ideal gas law cannot be applied, any “scientist” worth their degree will tell you the same thing. Additionally, the ideal gas law is generally applied to things NOT in motion, obviously an NFL football is constantly in motion, creating a multitude of factors which could affect inflation. Anyone using common sense could tell you these balls weren’t kept in a controlled environment, someone could have re-inflated them partially… no one knows. Go ahead and delete this comment but it’s the truth and there is absolutely no valid argument to the contrary….

  64. gauchosporlife says:
    May 25, 2016 4:15 PM

    Science will also explain how he smashed his cellphone and had a guy named “The Deflator” on his contacts.
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    Since neither of those happened, it probably won’t.

  65. boogerhut says:
    May 25, 2016 4:25 PM

    Too bad this appeal has nothing to do with science. It’s about Rodgers powers as stipulated in the CBA. That’s the only point in debate. Brady loses.
    ——————————-

    Aaron Rodgers has powers granted by the CBA?

    That must be how he gets away with cheating by over-inflating the footballs.

  66. Did these scientists have a scientific law regarding destroying a phone by someone the day after it was requested to be used as evidence?

    If they do it would be called the ‘cover your butt law’.

    Suspension stands.

  67. Gee — don’t those esteemed scientists know that they are inferior to the Commissioner? And obviously, they must be all Patriots fans.

    Or could it be that they are 100% correct and this whole issue is nothing more than this Commissioner trying to go after Tom Brady to (in his mind) gain back some of the credibility he lost by the way he mishandled and lied during the Ray Rice incident?

    I vote for the latter and hope that this new evidence supporting Tom Brady gets this Commissioner fired.

  68. asparatame says:
    May 25, 2016 4:44 PM
    Did these scientists have a scientific law regarding destroying a phone by someone the day after it was requested to be used as evidence?
    —————————-
    A) Wells didn’t demand the phone and had no right to it as evidence.
    B) Brady only recycled his phone after the NFPLA advised him not to set a precedent by offering a player’s private phone, as that isn’t required by the CBA.
    C) Goodell had already received and publicly leaked Brady’s private emails (that Brady didn’t have to give either), so why would Brady give his phone?
    D) Goodell already had all texts between Brady and anyone connected to the balls.
    E) There’s no scientific law for points A-D, they are just facts that you ignore to be sad and delusional.

  69. There was no “deflator” in someone telephone contacts. Just more false information that is being posted by those that were duped by the NFL.

  70. raggard says:
    May 25, 2016 3:52 PM

    Because backing Tom Brady is so much more important than I don’t know, maybe finding a cure for the Zika virus?? Seriously?? Talk about not having your priorities straight.
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    Are you under the impression that these “Physics” professors are actively trying to find a cure for the Zika virus? I’m sure they are able to contribute to the research. They are perfectly capable of getting coffee or taking notes, so I do see your point behind your comment.

    All I’m saying is maybe, just maybe, there is a more qualified department in academics that could do the research within regards to the Zika virus.

  71. asparatame says:
    May 25, 2016 4:44 PM

    Did these scientists have a scientific law regarding destroying a phone by someone the day after it was requested to be used as evidence?
    —————————-

    That would be covered by Science Fiction.

  72. I understand the scientist supporting Tom Brady about the PSI but what about other questionable actions that Patriots and Tom Brady done?

    Ball boy going into bathroom with bags of footballs?

    Why fire your team equipment when investigations just started?

    Why destroy your own phone when investigator want to see it?

    It’s way too much guilty in doing those things.
    _____________________________

    People can say they can destroy your phone anytime, but when you actually have POLICE DETECTIVE asking your phone, and you destroyed it? That clearly proven guilty, and the Cops going to haul you in prison asap.

    People may say detective and investigator are different but they are same thing; It’s their jobs to uncover the truths, and Tom Brady denies the truths.

  73. simplegodfather says:
    May 25, 2016 5:30 PM

    People may say detective and investigator are different but they are same thing; It’s their jobs to uncover the truths, and Tom Brady denies the truths.
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    What “truths” did Ted Wells uncover?

  74. OK, maybe the Natural Gas Law is responsible for air pressure loss, but………can we be sure that Kraft and Belichick didn’t CREATE that effect? I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m sure it’s not a scientific thing as engineers from MIT would suggest, just the evil Patriots figuring out a way to cheat.

  75. Included with the written presentation is a claim that the professors have obtained field-temperature date for more than 10,000 outdoor NFL games played since 1960, and that approximately 61 percent of all games would have included footballs that dropped in air pressure below the minimum of 12.5 PSI, if the footballs were inflated to 13.0 at kickoff. For footballs inflated (as the Patriots were) toward the low end of the range, roughly 82 percent of all games would have included footballs below the minimum.
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    Tbone,:10, 0000 outdoor games is NOT a small sample!!!. Its EVERY outdoor game since 1961!!

  76. mmack66 says:
    May 25, 2016 5:45 PM
    simplegodfather says:
    May 25, 2016 5:30 PM

    People may say detective and investigator are different but they are same thing; It’s their jobs to uncover the truths, and Tom Brady denies the truths.
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    What “truths” did Ted Wells uncover?

    _____________________

    Ball boy going to bathroom, firing team equipment within month of investigation, destroying phone in same day when Ted appear at his house, and Tom Brady nonstop denials of everything.

    Remember 1 thing, it’s not Tom Brady first time cheating, and it certainly will not be his last until the day he retired,

    OR he will stop cheating once he lost his 2nd appeal and realizing that he can’t cheat anymore.

  77. simplegodfather says:
    May 25, 2016 7:25 PM
    Ball boy going to bathroom, firing team equipment within month of investigation, destroying phone in same day when Ted appear at his house, and Tom Brady nonstop denials of everything.
    ==================

    Guessing you meant firing the equipment manager. They did not fire him and in fact employ him today.

    ‘Ted’ did not “appear at his house”
    Giselle would have fed him to the dogs.

    Brady has not made “nonstop denials of everything” in fact he has barely spoken on the matter. And regarding your previous post, this is the United States of America we don’t put our citizens in prison camps. We also have a thing here called due process.

  78. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 25, 2016 4:26 PM
    Even BP had scientists saying the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico will not cause long term damage to the environment.
    ____________________

    Yes and the good folks at Exponent were featured prominently among them

  79. oh man these threads are always Gold!

    You know it’s perfectly fine to just say you don’t like or even hate Brady and the Pats. You dont need to make yourself look stopoit by posting nonsense that isnt true or based in reality.

    “he destroyed evidence”! Of what? It should be pretty clear by now there was no scheme. Taking .2 PSI out the footballs? Who the heck would even do that?

    Please, stop making yourselves foolish, admit (even just to yourself) you’ve been duped and you can still continue to hate away. I really dont like feeling like I’m surrounded by such gullable people…C’mon now…This has all been a sham

    none of the circunstantial stff you guys are clinging to means didly considering nothing happened.

    “deflator” is just work place humor. That was not his nickname, he called himself that in 1 or texts, nobody else ever called him that.

    They weren’t getting the phone. “destroyed” was the buzzword tossed out there and obviously it worked like a charm. But it had broke and he had to replace it, he didnt “Destroy” a perfectly good phone to hide evidence of a crime that never happened…But they were never getting the phone anyway. Just sounds worse to say he destroyed it but they were not going to get it regardless

    Lastly even the very questionable firm “Exponent” said the IGL was responsible for most of the deflation. The NFL even admitted the science was real when they said they switch out the balls at half time of the Vikings play off game…Isnt it time you accept it to? Really going to be one of the last clinging to that sinking ship?

    A scheme to take point 2 PSI out the footballs,,,You really believe that?

    LOL

  80. Tom Brady was watched like a hawk last season, I’m sure they tested the pressure in every game. He kicked ass last season. So,what evidence does Goodell have on Brady now? Nothing. Brady is the best QB, ever. Goodell needs to get over himself and get fired!!

  81. streetyson says:
    May 25, 2016 5:14 PM
    asparatame says:
    May 25, 2016 4:44 PM
    Did these scientists have a scientific law regarding destroying a phone by someone the day after it was requested to be used as evidence?
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    A) Wells didn’t demand the phone and had no right to it as evidence.
    B) Brady only recycled his phone after the NFPLA advised him not to set a precedent by offering a player’s private phone, as that isn’t required by the CBA.
    C) Goodell had already received and publicly leaked Brady’s private emails (that Brady didn’t have to give either), so why would Brady give his phone?
    D) Goodell already had all texts between Brady and anyone connected to the balls.
    E) There’s no scientific law for points A-D, they are just facts that you ignore to be sad and delusional.

    ————————————————

    Good post…Worth repeating.

    Wells specifically said “Keep Your Phone…”
    Dont beleive it? Look it up. He is on record. May 12, 2015

  82. Does anyone really believe 7 judges will agree to hear this silliness? It’s about a football player and team cheating, not world peace.

    Tom, give the legal fees to a charity. Make yourself look good!

  83. Anyone who believes Lying Roger and the NFL after all of this, is obligated to believe the NFL regarding NIH. Otherwise you are showing your bias agains the Pats

  84. Patriots got screwed … I just don’t know why… What is the point of railroading Brady?… Pissing off the Krafts?

    With all of the evidence stacking up against Goodell…and his investigation, they look really really bad!!! If the union doesn’t go after Article 46… they are not a union… this would never ever happen in MLB.

  85. mmack666 says:
    May 26, 2016 2:22 PM
    “Does anyone really believe 7 judges will agree to hear this silliness? It’s about a football player and team cheating, not world peace.”

    No, it’s not about that. What it’s about is an employer whop negotiated a Collective Bargaining Agreement that gives him the right to punish players as he sees fit, and to be the arbiter of any appeals of that prior decision. Which, at face value, would seem to be what Goodell did.

    However, the determination of penalty and arbitration must be grounded in fairness and follow due process. You can’t fabricate an “independent” investigation or lie about the player’s sworn testimony. Plus you cannot simply make up massive penalties for an infraction that has an agreed upon consequence in the CBA at will.

    People keep chiming in that the “conduct detrimental to the game” was the reason for Brady’s suspension. It was not. The 4 game suspension was handed down (incorrectly by Vincent, it should have been Goodell) before the arbitration hearing. As far as anyone in the NFL knew at that time, and according to Ted Wells in the report, Brady had cooperated fully. He was not asked to provide his phone. Therefore, Goodell applied the 4 game suspension based on the “more probable than not” that Brady was “generally aware” that something was going on.

    During the arbitration hearing when Goodell heard that Brady had got rid of his old phone he shifted the goal posts claiming that he did not cooperate with the investigation (not true) and that he had destroyed evidence (not true) which implicated him as being behind a scheme to break the rules. It was only then that he applied the “conduct detrimental” penalty. In opther words, he gave him an excessive penalty, and then he made up lies to justify his prior decision.

    Just like he and the rest of the NFL front office did from the get go. They determined (incorrectly) on the day of the game that the Patriots had let air out of the balls, because they were too stupid to realize that balls lose pressure naturally when cooled off. They even admitted to their own ignorance in open court to Judge Berman.

    They are fully aware that this happens now, and to what extent, after measuring balls last season, and yet they continue the witch hunt against an innocent player, one proven to be innocent by their own recorded data, because they do not want to lose the upper hand in the labor dispute over the CBA.

    The most ridiculous part is that they could have saved all of the agreed upon power the CBA provides had they simply admitted early on that they had misjudged the original situation, and that the balls had most likely just depressurized naturally. The problem was that, after they had propped up the Wells Report as an independent investigation, admission that they were wrong would look very bad.

  86. Who payed the scientists?
    _______________

    It says so right in the brief itself if you had cared to read it.

    Haters don’t care about facts though.

  87. Where are the independent scientists who are coming forward and spending their own money to support the NFL, the way these independent scientists did for Tom?

    There aren’t any? No, you’re kidding. Really?
    Only Exponent who was paid by the NFL to come up with the conclusion that the NFL wanted is the only one? Seriously?

    Yup, that’s right. The ONLY INDEPENDENT scientists, with no dog in the fight, all support Tom Brady.

    To Pats fans who are about 1,000 times smarter than the moronic haters, this is no surprise.

  88. For people who say this is only about Goodell’s power under the CBA, WRONG.

    Its about how Goodell ABUSED his vast powers under the CBA.

    The CBA did NOT give him ABSOLUTE power to do totally as he pleases and ignore the truth, and make up his own set of facts that supports his dirty agenda, which is exactly what he did.

    Goodell VIOLATED the CBA.

    Get it?

  89. Lol Pats fans claim to be anti Goodell but yet spend numerous amount of money on the team that profits the league. If you Pats fans were really against Goodell, you would shut yourself out of the NFL forever but that won’t happen will it?

  90. It’s hard to fathom that an organization as lucrative as the NFL really is directed by people completely ignorant of the elementary fact that pressure declines with temperature.

    Apparently they have a lot of company in the general population – fifty years of declining educational standards takes a toll.

  91. I assume we have scientists talking only about the Ideal Gas Law because they would lose the argument about a Patriot employee responsible for the balls letting air out of the balls for enough games that he calls himself the “deflator”. Liberals will sign up to say anything.

  92. If the Ideal Gas Law could always be relied on for having an underinflated ball, then why did the ball boys have to get involved to deflate them? Just let the Ideal gas law work on the balls for every game.

    Scientists can be so dumb at times.

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