NFL exonerates Peyton Manning

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When Al Jazeera linked multiple NFL players to PED use last December, the report resonated nationally for one of them. And that player has become the first one to be cleared.

“Following a comprehensive seven-month investigation into allegations made in a documentary by Al-Jazeera America, the NFL found no credible evidence that Peyton Manning was provided with or used HGH or other substances prohibited by the league’s policy on performance-enhancing substances, it was announced today,” the league said in a statement.

“The Mannings were fully cooperative with the investigation and provided both interviews and access to all records sought by the investigators. Initiated in January, the investigation was led by the NFL’s security and legal teams with support from expert consultants and other professionals. The investigation involved witness interviews, a review of relevant records and other materials, online research, and laboratory analysis and review. Separately, the NFL’s investigation continues into the documentary’s allegations made against other NFL players, which involve different lines of inquiry and witnesses.”

The league didn’t disclose exactly what happened during the “seven-month” investigation. Manning, who loudly denied HGH use in multiple interviews given after the story first emerged, undoubtedly denied it loudly during his interview with the NFL.

The only way for the NFL to know definitively whether Manning did or didn’t use HGH would be to receive full and complete records from the Guyer Institute in Indianapolis regarding treatment received by and medication provided to Manning and his wife, Ashley, during the relevant time period. The statement from the NFL doesn’t specifically identify those records, explaining only that the Mannings “provided access to all records sought by the investigators.” If, in theory, the investigators didn’t seek the right documents, the investigators wouldn’t have gotten the right information.

The report comes at a time when the NFL continues to insist that the other players implicated in the report — Packers linebackers Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal — must submit to interviews even though the only publicly known evidence of HGH use comes from the Al Jazeera report. It will be hard for some (specifically Patriots fans) to reconcile the league’s ongoing investigation of these four players if the NFL already has concluded that the since-retracted claims of Charles Sly, a former Guyer Institute employee who was recorded without his knowledge, are not credible as to Manning.

If they’re not credible as to Manning, how can they be credible as to anyone else?

226 responses to “NFL exonerates Peyton Manning

  1. Sure. Now maybe the NFL can explain the valid medical reason a healthy woman in her 30s would receive HGH from the Guyer Institute.

  2. So the NFL had secretive meetings w/ only one of the players, who happened to retire at the end of season. YET the others are withholding info; sure Goodell.

  3. The NFL has done such a shoddy job of its many investigations, my first thought is to accept the alternative as true.

    The truly unfortunate aspect of this is that an NFL investigation brings more doubt than certainty.

  4. Nothing to see here folks. He doesn’t play for the Patriots. Complete exoneration. Herr Roger has spoken. Let it be Gospel.

  5. So, sounds like he cooperated and gave them everything they asked for. He didn’t burn his medical records right before the investigation and claim that he routinely does that stuff all the time. Generally speaking, when you cooperate, good things happen. (Note: I’m still not convinced he didn’t do it).

  6. “The league didn’t disclose exactly what happened during the “seven-month” investigation. ”

    So no report for the public to read and scrutinize? No transparency? Why was the Wells Report regarding Deflategate released? Why is there no consistency?

    Is it because there was no real investigation. I guess it’s hard to write up a report for an investigation that didn’t happen.

  7. There’s no credible evidence that Brady did anything wrong, either. It’s funny how the applicable standard of proof seems to vary depending on which outcome the league prefers.

  8. Manning was fortunate that his PED abuse was discovered while he was with Denver. Nothing ever really sticks to that franchise as evidenced by the fact that they got just a small slap on the wrist for their blatant abuse of the salary cap in the 1990s which led to their first 2 tainted championships.

  9. it’s unbelievable that NFL fans are giving any credence to an piece of so called investigative journalism from a source like Al Jazeera, who has consistently biased news toward anti American / fundamentalist Islamic views during a major war with them…

    some PM haters have really jumped on it of course… but the real issue here is whether NFL fans allow an organization like that to split us as Americans

  10. Let’s be honest here, even if he was using hgh the NFL wouldn’t admit it. There’s no chance they would tear down the guy they’ve propped up as the golden boy for years and years.

  11. Sounds like Tom Shady could learn a thing or two here. If you fully cooperate, and are innocent, they you get exonerated by the NFL.

    When you cheat and lie, you get punished. And then have said punishment upheld in federal court.

  12. Definitely the funniest thing I’ll read all day.

    Where there’s smoke there’s fire. I trust Al-Jazeera over the NFL 100 times out of 100.

  13. I’m yet to see “credible evidence” regarding deflategate, so I don’t understand… I really don’t care if Manning was juicing or not, I think his 9-head is credible evidence, but that isn’t the point. Just further evidence of an anti Patriots bias in the league office. We see offense after offense after offense get swept under the rug, but any accusation against the Patriots is met with a $5 million investigation, followed by a BS conviction to justify the $5 million investigation.

    According to the NFL, air pressure in footballs is not affected by temperature. I think 98% of people disagree with the NFL on that, but that is the declaration, so we now can go with that.

  14. What investigation? What a Joke! Where was his phone!Where was Ted Wells ? Where was ESPN?

  15. When Tom Brady was asked about deflate gate and if he was a cheater: “I don’t think so”

    When Peyton Manning was asked about HGH:
    “Absolutely not, that report is pure garbage”.

    Tom Brady destroyed his personal cell phone prior to his investigation while Manning provider everything they asked for.

    I’m not making a judgement of who was guilty or who wasn’t (I happen to think they both are guilty)… But I think Manning at least handled it better to make him appear more innocent.

  16. Hmmm. Peyton cooperates, Brady doesn’t. Look at the results. Peyton doesn’t destroy evidence, Brady does. Look at the results. Kind of shows what the best course of action is doesn’t it?

  17. Had completely forgot about the HGH allegations against Peyton. As for the exoneration, the NFL stands to gain zero by implicating Manning in this and the NFL isn’t exactly the gold standard for trustworthy investigations, but at the end of the day I doubt most fans really care.

  18. “Following a comprehensive seven-minute investigation into allegations made by jealous rivals, the NFL found no credible evidence that Tom Brady was provided with or used deflated balls, but we’re going to crucify him anyway.”

  19. If they’re not credible as to Manning, how can they be credible as to anyone else?

    Logic doesn’t matter when Goodell and the NFL are involved.

  20. The NFL’s comprehensive investigation…..

    NFL: “Peyton did you do HGH??”

    Manning: “Aw Shucks of course not it was my wife”

    Case closed!!

    Then Rog and his minions agree to release this great PR play right before training camp.

    And all fans and media who have half a brain are laughing AT THEM right now.

    What folly!!

  21. Mr. Florio are you suggesting that the NFL staged this? Are you also insinuating that the results are causing unforseen issues that will now bring the integrity of the NFL into question? Nah they wouldn’t do that. That would be silly!

  22. If they’re not credible as to Manning, how can they be credible as to anyone else?

    ——–

    Because Roger said so.

    That’s why. And it’s not debatable.

  23. Shocker. The NFL will release there Wells Report style transcript of the Manning investigation along with their 2015 PSI study data at the same time. 8 Am Never Standard time.

  24. Notice there was no information leaked to ESPN during the investigation. Nothing really reported at all while it went on. Not that it makes Manning guilty, just shows the double-standard when it comes to protecting Manning’s name as compared to other players around the league…

  25. Of course they did. The FBI and other investigative bodies have exonerated Bill and Hillary Clinton too. Doesn’t change the facts, or the public perception.

  26. Given how often Goodell and his jealous band of owners are correct on disciplinary issues, this should be regarded as irrefutable evidence that the Broncos championship was tainted because Manning was on HGH.

    It goes without saying that if Brady had HGH mailed to his wife, Goodell would slapped him with a lifetime ban.

    #Integrity

  27. The Golden Family gets the Golden Treatment once again. Was Ted “more likely than not” Wells not available for hire? Details please. #INTEGRITY

  28. Peyton Manning …….innocent !
    Two Yard Tammy Brady………..guilty !
    Was there ever a doubt ?

  29. See what happens when you cooperate?

    A very good lesson for Tom Brady here. learn from the GOAT.

  30. I got no beef with Manning. I hope he didn’t use PEDs and I hope he is not a sex-crazed stalker and everything else. Unfortunately, being exonerated by a league with rampant dishonesty issues does nothing to change his image one way or the other. Until there is a house cleaning on the corrupt suits on Park Avenue this kind of exercise is meaningless.

  31. Could never see Peyton using HGH to get a step a head of the competition. He never played for the Patriots.

  32. How does it feel Patriot Hater? How does it feel knowing your team doesn’t and never will measure up to OUR level?

    Oh the pain. Must be frustrating, 🙂

  33. In a lot of ways, the best thing Patriot fans could hope for is Brady sues the League and its employees for defamation. Usually celebrities have a hard time winning cases like that but in this one there’s so much evidence that this is what the NFL did, he might have as high as a 40% chance of winning. Still unlikely but fun to think about. That said, the NFL or any employer asking for the contents of a private cellphone as part of a workplace investigation is something all Americans should be alarmed about. Good for these players for standing up for their rights and hopefully more of them do that so the PA actually prioritizes these things in the next labor stoppage.

  34. 7 months ago Manning was preparing for the Super Bowl.

    If he was under investigation while preparing for the Super bowl I think the media must have missed that one. That or the NFL is lying again. Probably the latter of the two.

  35. That was fast, sounds like they didn’t want to open up a can of worms with a player, hof, who just retired and for you Pats fans don’t forget, Brady destroyed his phone waited 6 mos before informing the investigators because that’s how long the cell phone providers keep a copy of the tweets, the guy who deflated the balls was nicknamed the deflator, he took the balls into a private bathroom after the refs had certified them and he was caught on text threatening to over inflate the balls whenever Brady was mad at him……no ? that Brady had balls deflated, the only ? is how much did it help him, my guess is very little…..

  36. Timeline of events from the league office:
    – “There might be an investigation.”
    – “There won’t be an investigation.”
    – “We’re conducting an investigation.”
    – “We’ve never been conducting an investigation.”
    – “We haven’t even talked to Peyton and he had no obligation to talk to us about any investigation even if there was one.”
    – “We’re now definitely seriously conducting an investigation.”
    – “Just kidding. The NFLPA says we can’t.”
    – “We were really conducting an investigation all along. Peyton is completely innocent, and we will verify this with absolutely nothing but Peyton Manning’s word that these 7 month old claims that can’t possibly be tested for are untrue.”

  37. So Charley Sly’s recanting is some how more credible than let’s say… Walt Andersons’ best recollection or perhaps Jim McNally’s denial of wrong doing.

    OK, Now I understand.

    The 32 owners are a fraud and puppet Goodell carries their water.

    Common sense doesn’t apply in the league offices.

  38. This is the NFL exonerating Peyton (which doesn’t matter because he retired) to pressure the other players into participating (against the Union’s wishes) to also be exonerated.

    No guarantee of exoneration for the others of course….

  39. Never believed it to begin with. If a player took Human Growth Hormone shouldn’t you expect there to be some “human growth”. Manning has never looked like any kind of physical specimen!

  40. Of course. What else were they going to do to the Golden Child?

    Besides, everyone already knows that HGH wasn’t for his wife.

  41. What a joke. There is more evidence against Manning than there was Brady, yet nothing done. Not surprised.

    About that integrity thing Roger????

  42. Good. More talk about the game, less about guys and what they may or may not do to play the game. Peyton has retired, let him enjoy his life as one of the all time greats.

    At this point, any “investigation” they conduct should be presumed as one which will come to the conclusions which the NFL desires. The NFL is about as trustworthy as a junkie – Goodell is a paid, serial liar. I’m sick of hearing anything from the league office.

  43. Lol, of course they did.

    His wife was taking all that HGH while he was recovering from a devastating injury.

  44. There you go. Full and complete disclosure; no destroying cell phones or other pertinent devices. Seems once again CLASS rises to the top. Too bad someone else did not have the courage to do the same; but I guess he had something to hide.

  45. Of course they did. Was there ever any doubt? It’s the first step in making this all go away. Just like with the Ray Rice video, one way or another the NFL always finds what it is looking for. No doubt Ben Roethlisberger and Richie Incognito, among others, are gratified by the league’s due diligence.

    I don’t necessarily believe anything Sly said, the problem is the league has shown I can’t believe anything it says either.

  46. Is anyone surprised? Peyton Manning = angel. Tom Brady = devil. Just don’t ask the locals around the Manning Passing Academy aboot Peyton. 😉

  47. Florio, it’s refreshing to read a journalist (that may be going to far)/writer with an objective, fact-based perspective. Like you, I’m a lawyer that sees all the inconsistencies that the NFL has displayed relative to deflategate and can only laugh at the “integrity of the league” garbage that Goodell spouts. To my knowledge Manning and his absurd team of whitewashers never DENIED getting HGH sent to his house. Rather, he simply denied it was his and stated that his wife was taking it. At no time, however did that mention what for (citing medical privacy laws/privacy in general). Which is funny considering it’s only proscribed for a half-handful of conditions, none of which she has (look at them-cancer etc). O yeah, and Peyton was in the midst of FOUR neck surgeries..with talk about him not even being able to throw! But the HGH clearly was for his wife, says the NFL. They are such a joke?, but sadly, most of the American public is too ignorant to decipher what is fact based versus their spin ( as evidenced by deflategate, etc). It really is a sad state of affairs.

  48. Manning admitted his wife used HGH from that clinic in his denials. HGH is only legal for very specific medical uses (muscle wasting, certain childhood growth disorders, pituatory tumors, certain treatments for the elderly), none of which his wife would likely fall under. And for any fertility use, the time line does not add up. She could easily have used it for her own benefit as there is nothing showing Peyton used it. But, if anything, this clinic should be shut down.

  49. If they’re not credible as to Manning, how can they be credible as to anyone else?

    The NFL determined — after an investigation that Manning cooperated with — that they’re not credible to Manning.

    Maybe the NFL would conclude the same thing of those other guys. But we don’t know because the NFLPA has blocked the league’s attempts to interview them.

  50. “If they’re not credible as to Manning, how can they be credible as to anyone else?”
    ====
    The statement was not credible to begin with, as I said from the beginning. Pats fans will have to find someone else to accuse in an effort to reflect away the stain of cheating.

  51. Color me not convinced. Manning’s “wife” just happened to ask for HGH from a sports clinic at the same time as Peyton was trying to recover from neck surgery.
    Uh, huh.

  52. Another NFL witch hunt. They already have the one super star QB they wanted to screw, so now its time for them to get others. Hope those players are prepared for a good legal fight, maybe the courts will see what the NFL Gestpo is getting away with on punishing players when they have not done anything wrong.

  53. In other news, Tom Brady was suspending for an additional two games for drinking a protein shake!

  54. Yep, clean as can be. Only the cheat fans since 2007 wished it were true, to excuse their 20 years of cheating.

    Strip the titles. Strip the fake wins. Take the picks. Belicheat sub .500 coach without deflated footballs.

  55. “The Mannings were fully cooperative with the investigation and provided both interviews and access to all records sought by the investigators.

    Hear that, Mr. Brady?

  56. Lets be honest. HGH, steroids and other PEDs are widely used in the NFL. Many players have been caught and punished even with very lax testing rules.

    It would not be shocking of any of these players were using HGH or had used HGH and it would not change my opinion of their talent if they had. I think you would be hard pressed to find many NFL players that had never tried any PED in their entire football life. There aren’t many innocent people. It’s part of the game.

  57. Hmmmm, so kiss the NFL’s posterior, cooperate with an investigation and then receive special dispensation from Pope Goodell. . . . .

  58. It will be hard for some (specifically Patriots fans)

    You mean its gonna to tough to acknowledge that an all time great QB went through his career without cheating, say it ain’t so…..

  59. Of course the Sheriff did not cheat. Stand up guy all the way. Probably the greatest QB of all time, just not on very good teams most of the time.

  60. What a complete joke. First off, we all knew this was the conclusion the NFL was going to reach (the one they wanted to reach). A 7-month “comprehensive investigation” when the other players named have not even been interviewed yet? Please….the NFL has become a joke. We all know Manning used HGH to overcome an injury. We don’t really care, but we know! Still, to this day, no one has denied HGH being shipped to his wife from a questionable clinic. To me, that certainly meets the more probably than not standard, but the NFL only applies that when it wants.

  61. It’s just a coincidence Manning’s wife received HGH while Peyton was recovering from his fourth neck surgery before coming back to have the best season on his career.

  62. “Credible Evidence” is a very evasive and vague term for the NFL’s commissioner office. It obviously takes on a whole different meaning if your name is Tom Brady.

  63. “The investigation involved witness interviews” I assume after the Manning initiated shake down… Should let Wells take a round into this investigation, lets see some fairy tales writen….

  64. It would be a major HIPAA violation by the NFL to speak specifically about the Mannings’ medical records from the Guyer Institute without the Mannings’ permission. I understand athletes are in the public eye, but the doesn’t mean the public has the right to that sort of personal information.

  65. Peyton cooperates with the investigation and is cleared of wrongdoing.
    Brady does not cooperate and is found guilty.

    No surprises here.

  66. This NFL “investigation” has about as much credibility as when the NFL “investigated” complaints from the Steelers and Patriots that Manning’s Colts were piping noise artificial crowd noise into their dome.

    For those who don’t remember, a formal complaint was filed with the league on Monday morning. By 4:00PM Monday afternoon, the league, after what was obviously an exhaustive investigation, declared the Colts innocent of any wrongdoing.

    God, the lengths the league has gone to to pamper and protect Manning is sickening.

  67. “Hey Peyton, how about you give us what you know and since you no longer play, we’ll forgive all of it and never speak of it again. Go into the hall of fame with dignity, the public doesn’t care and neither do we, we just need to put on a face against to look tough. Either that or we can hire Ted Wells come to his own conclusions.”

  68. Sorry Little Pey Pey. You already admitted the HGH was sent to your house. And that was after hiring henchmen to ransack the lab and “interview” the accuser and his family. You’re a cheat, no way around it. Sorry, truth hurts.

  69. W W N F L ! ! !
    The integrity of the league has hit an all time low.
    donkeys get another asterisk and goodell pushes more people towards the CFL and college ball.
    this league has become a sham!

  70. Sounds like the NFL is trying to show the other guys that everything will be fine. Just trust them.

  71. “The Mannings were fully cooperative with the investigation and provided both interviews and access to all records sought by the investigators.”

    No destroyed cellphones? The cover up is always worse than the crime!

  72. I know I’m just stunned!
    Peyton Manning has been cleared of any wrong-doing in the HGH scandal? Surprise … surprise …
    I’m sure the investigation was super-thorough. In the end, the NFL tipped its hand in their press release: “Mannings Fully Cooperated with League Investigation…”
    The Patriots have a history of being non-cooperative and continually spit in the face of the idea that the NFL is a league built upon parity.
    This is the perfect illustration for why the investigations and punishments were so different between the two QBs.

  73. “If, in theory, the investigators didn’t seek the right documents, the investigators wouldn’t have gotten the right information.”

    Just stop. The NFL doesnt let anybody off the hook. A seven month investigation that involved as many people as listed clearly shows the NFL checked under every rock they could. They wanted desperately to nail Manning to the wall. He’s clear. Let it go.

    Personally I think HGH use should be legal. Especially in a sport as violent and damaging to the body as football.

  74. #Integrity

    Remember when Paul Tagliabue made headlines weekly through mismanagement of discipline and personal conduct issues both real and manufactured? Yeah, me either…

    #BringBackTags

  75. Wait per precedent i thought all Manning needed to get punished was to be generally aware of someone elses alleged wrong doing and even if there is no evidence they would PUNISH HIM ANYWAYS????

  76. Well, it may be that the Mannings received HGH (or some other substance) for a perfectly legitimate medical reason, and that was fully disclosed to the NFL and Charles Sly mistakenly lumped him in with the other players taking steroids. That is a reasonable possibility that must be investigated – especially since the statement doesn’t give the reasoning why they found the allegations to be not credible. In fact, this choice of wording seems entirely consistent with one of Manning’s children receiving some kind of treatment and the NFL respecting his wishes to keep it private.

    I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s consistent with the facts as we know them and doesn’t exonerate the other players.

  77. I am sure his cooperation will be viewed as bogus by all the Patsy whiners and somehow they will fail to see this is an example why Tammy was dealt with so harshly. Tammy did everything he could NOT to cooperate and in doing so gave at least the impression he had much to hide. On the other hand Peyton voluntarily cooperated. probably because unlike Tammy he had nothing to hide?? Hummm…But I am sure the Patsy whiners will see other boogie men in the bushes to explain that away. I think Tammy was punished so severely because of 2 things. His complete unwillingness to cooperate in the investigation and the serial history of the Patsy organization in regards to cheating. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice (or 3-4 times) shame on me.

  78. It suggests that he was exonerated because the NFL realized it no longer has any hold over a retired player. They couldn’t force him to do anything. I would be more apt to believe the NFL if they documented the evidence to support their conclusion-lab reports, blood tests, testimony, etc.

  79. Stevie Wonder could see Manning didn’t use PED just from his deteriorating arm strength.

  80. Is this bizarro world? Does someone in the Manning camp have a photo of someone in the front office? Cuz from what Ive seen over the last couple of years, investigations are over the top thorough. To the point where stuff is even made up out of nowhere if needed.

    This one seems different for some reason. And not just cuz he retired…

  81. W W N F L ! ! !
    The integrity of the league has hit an all time low.
    donkeys get another asterisk and goodell pushes more people towards the CFL and college ball.
    this league has become a sham!
    ———————————————————————
    Broncos get another asterisk?! Care to explain even the alleged HGH use was not when he played for the Broncos. Nice try! Go back and cheer for your pathetic team.

  82. The message is loud and clear: COOPERATE. Let the Commish do his job and you’ll feel like you were treated fairly. Play a pawn for the NFLPA to try and reduce Goodell’s power and you’ll get a smackdown and feel like you’ve been treated unfairly. But its your own fault. Cooperate and let Goodell do his job.

  83. Peyton = Classy
    Brady = cheater

    Peyton = fully cooperated
    Brady = didn’t provide phone info

    Peyton = honest
    Brady = lied

    Peyton = adamant he didn’t cheat
    Brady = I don’t think I cheat

    Peyton = winner
    Brady = loser, i.e. tainted trophies

    Peyton > Brady

    Whine delusional Cheatriot fans

  84. With Manning cleared, this sets him up for a coaching or GM spot in the league. I could see him becoming the GM in Indy next year…

  85. Even if there was 100% proof that he didn’t do anything, there would still be so many wacko conspiracy theorists here that don’t believe it.

  86. Or maybe, just maybe, somebody was shooting his mouth off, naming names to sound important. Then when his back was against the wall, he had to retract his BS. No actual evidence at all. Wild allegations aren’t the same as evidence. Not a Broncos fan, but players on any team, no matter who they are, are entitled to some kind of due process. If it was your franchise player, you would be singing a different tune.

  87. I wonder if anyone checked with Fedex or UPS to see if they (Mannings) received anything from that Clinic???

  88. Al-Jazeera America. Now there is a reliable network. A bunch of fanatics hell bent on destroying the USA. They even implicated Ryan Howard, star of the 2008 world series champion Phillies.

  89. so, even though Manning denied it. Then said it was for his wife. Which it’s on record he DID admit that!

    The NFL now says they have found no credible evidence that HGH was ever shipped to the Mannings from Guyer Institute?

    And all you sheeps are going to sit there and baa-ah and say, see difference between Manning and Brady?

    Not like i expected anything different, but a complete joke. I cannot wait to stop watching the NFL. Very, very, close

  90. From my understanding, Slys info regarding Manning sounded more like hear say. While for the others, it was more of a customer/supplier relationship.

    Brady is the Best QB ever btw.

  91. Donkey’s get another asterisks?

    The alleged PED use by the exonerated Manning didn’t not take place during the Denver era.

    When Manning hobbled out for the successive maulings of Pittsburgh, NE*, and the Cinderella Panthers, the strongest substances in his system were prune juice and Centrum Silver. Don’t hate Denver for winning a Lombardi with a hologram under center.

  92. So, sounds like he cooperated and gave them everything they asked for. He didn’t burn his medical records right before the investigation and claim that he routinely does that stuff all the time. Generally speaking, when you cooperate, good things happen. (Note: I’m still not convinced he didn’t do it).
    _________________________________________

    No, but what he did do was send his people to the Gayer Clinic when the reports first surfaced to look into it. He also sent two goons to Sly’s house (impersonating police, by the way) and all of a sudden we have the worst-ever recanting of a story. Please tell me you are not this gullible?

  93. Lets see, you get HGH delivered to your house, you come back from career ending type surgery to set all kinds of records, then quickly fall off, then a guy who doesn’t know he’s getting recorded says he sent you hgh, then you send goons to his house posing as cops to threaten the guy??? But yeah, nothing to see here… can we get back to the Patriots balls??? Can’t tarnish the golden boy, the white knight and silver spoon… the mega head.

  94. I see the Patriots Internet Defense Team is out in full force today. You guys might just break PFT.

  95. Peyton may be cleared in the eyes of Goodell, but his legacy will forever be tainted in the eyes of fans with half a brain and common sense.

  96. dstegesaurus says:
    Jul 25, 2016 12:29 PM

    “The Mannings were fully cooperative with the investigation and provided both interviews and access to all records sought by the investigators.”

    No destroyed cellphones? The cover up is always worse than the crime!
    ==================================Yes…they cooperated!!! Of course this was after the Peyton security team headed by Fleischer went in and took out ALL the damaging info from the clinic….I mean AFTER that who would not cooperate!! Well..there can be no destroyed cellphones because Peyton never turned his over….

  97. Have we forgotten about his “personal representatives” visiting the Guyer Institute shortly after the allegations were made? Yes the Mannings provided everything that was asked for, but what was left of it? Evidence tampering is evidence tampering regardless of the instrument.

  98. Regarding Manning “fully cooperating” and not “destroying” anything, I guess people people forget that he sent a team to the Guyer Institute to go through his medical records back in January. It’s probably just a coincidence that the NFL didn’t find anything to implicate Manning in those records after his cleaning crew got through with them.

  99. “Regardless of what anyone says, it’s obvious that Peyton cheated, and all of his titles will have an asterisk forever in the court of public opinion outside of Indiana and Colorado!”

    Sound familiar, Hate Squad?

  100. truthfactory says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:26 AM
    When Tom Brady was asked about deflate gate and if he was a cheater: “I don’t think so”

    When Peyton Manning was asked about HGH:
    “Absolutely not, that report is pure garbage”.

    Tom Brady destroyed his personal cell phone prior to his investigation while Manning provider everything they asked for.

    I’m not making a judgement of who was guilty or who wasn’t (I happen to think they both are guilty)… But I think Manning at least handled it better to make him appear more innocent.
    —————————————————————

    When Brady was asked that question, he had just got off a plane and the NFL had carefully timed it to ambush them with what was later found to be woefully inaccurate information.

    Brady, like all of us, were confused. Blindsided with NFL and ESPN manufactured misinformation: “2 PSI under the lowest limit allowed?! 11 out of 12?! How could this happen…”

    Well it turns out it was .02 under and it wasn’t 11 out of 12, and so were the Colts’ balls that were tested.

  101. “provided all records that were sought by the investigators” means all records left behind after the spooks cleansed the Guyer Inst.

    Also the recant by Charly Sly was after the same two spooks visited the family home one night.

  102. lets see. at age 35, he had multipel neck surgeries, potentially career ending to try and repair nerve damage. 2 years later, at age 37, he breaks the record for touchdown passes. 2 years later, at age 39, he can hardly throw a football more than 10 yards down field. yup, seems perfectly normal to me.

  103. truthfactory says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:26 AM
    When Tom Brady was asked about deflate gate and if he was a cheater: “I don’t think so”

    When Peyton Manning was asked about HGH:
    “Absolutely not, that report is pure garbage”.

    Tom Brady destroyed his personal cell phone prior to his investigation while Manning provider everything they asked for.

    I’m not making a judgement of who was guilty or who wasn’t (I happen to think they both are guilty)… But I think Manning at least handled it better to make him appear more innocent.

  104. League should change to NFE for National Football Entertainment. Roger runs this league no different than Vince McMahon runs the WWE.

  105. The truth comes out, Peyton is the real GOAT (if not, it’s Dan Marino if I’m talking best passers, which is what a QB is supposed to be anyway). Tom Brady, as others said, did not cooperate. Peyton did. I rest my case. Brady is guilty, Peyton is not. He’s not guilty of sexual assault either because that lady kept changing her story. How can anyone reasonably believe her? Patriots fans can.

  106. henke1966 says:
    Jul 25, 2016 12:10 PM

    Of course the Sheriff did not cheat. Stand up guy all the way. Probably the greatest QB of all time, just not on very good teams most of the time.

    ————-

    The results are what make a player the greatest. Dan Marino can’t be the greatest for example. He was great, but not the greatest. The point of the sport is to win, and if you don’t win you can’t be the greatest. Peyton is in the conversation with 2 wins in 4 appearances at the Super Bowl and wins with two different teams. He certainly is great, but the idea that he was not on very good teams most of the time is silly. He was on absolutely great teams both years he lost the Super Bowl for example. He had great talent around him his whole career.

    It’s good that he was found innocent. it has nothing to do with the Brady situation. There is no reason to hope that Manning was either guilty or at least found guilty by the league just because many of us are unhappy with the Brady outcome.

  107. bucandball says:

    Or maybe, just maybe, somebody was shooting his mouth off, naming names to sound important. Then when his back was against the wall, he had to retract his BS. No actual evidence at all. Wild allegations aren’t the same as evidence. Not a Broncos fan, but players on any team, no matter who they are, are entitled to some kind of due process. If it was your franchise player, you would be singing a different tune.

    ———————————————————–

    precisely what Patriots fans have been saying for the past 18 months

  108. randomguy9999 says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:21 AM
    it’s unbelievable that NFL fans are giving any credence to an piece of so called investigative journalism from a source like Al Jazeera
    *************************
    Actually Al Jazeera America is full of world renowned journalists full of awards. Their reporting SHOULD be considered highly rated.

  109. There are exactly 4 types of people who think Peyton* didn’t use HGH:

    1. People who know nothing about the NFL(they can plead ignorance)
    2. Peyton* Manning* Fans
    3. Complete and utter morons
    4. Patriot Haters

    These are not mutually exclusive.
    Which one are you?

    All of Manning’s entire career is now marred and tarnished with the FACT that he used HGH to come back from injury. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

    Peyton* Manning*

  110. chris6523 says:
    Jul 25, 2016 12:17 PM
    It would be a major HIPAA violation by the NFL to speak specifically about the Mannings’ medical records from the Guyer Institute without the Mannings’ permission. I understand athletes are in the public eye, but the doesn’t mean the public has the right to that sort of personal information.
    *************************
    The NFL and the teams are not covered entities for HIPAA disclosure unless it involved a matter they were diagnosing and treating. Sine nothing about the HGH would be covered, neither the Colts/Broncos or the league can be penalized for discussing it.

  111. Ted Wells said regarding Tom’s 5 hours of interrogation ” totally cooperative “. As far as the cell phone Wells said”keep the phone” ” I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report “.
    Yet posters think that Tom didn’t cooperate? That’s because they only read headlines.
    The ONLY thing Tom Brady is guilty of is being one of the greatest to play the game. New England fans have been blessed to witness greatness.

  112. um54 says:
    Jul 25, 2016 3:11 PM

    Ted Wells said regarding Tom’s 5 hours of interrogation ” totally cooperative “. As far as the cell phone Wells said”keep the phone” ” I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report “.
    Yet posters think that Tom didn’t cooperate? That’s because they only read headlines.
    The ONLY thing Tom Brady is guilty of is being one of the greatest to play the game. New England fans have been blessed to witness greatness.
    _____________________________
    Most of the commenters on here can barely read the headlines….as for Peyton, of course the NFL cleared him, there’s no longer anything they can do to him.

  113. I’ve never seen a more gullible group of people than the Patriot Haters.

    Just when I think people can’t possibly swallow any more of the NFL’s BS, you step right up for another helping.

    FYI: There is no prince in Nigeria needing help to get his money out of the country.

  114. eagleslayer says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:49 AM

    It’s just not a great century for Patriots fans….

    _________________________________

    yeah, I’ve got 4 Superbowl DVD sets that prove otherwise

  115. To clarify for people who post here without even knowing what this is about. This isn’t about last season, it’s about Manning’s recovery from surgery in 2011-12 that set up his AFC Championship season in 2013-14. HGH was delivered to his house from the Guyer institute, according to reports. Manning claimed it wasn’t for him, it was for his wife.

    If you will recall, prior to 2011 it was feared Manning would have to retire. With the help of HGH (allegedly), he returned for three more seasons that included a Super Bowl loss, a playoff loss, and a Super Bowl win (after a season he played poorly – because the HGH had worn off???).

  116. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Jul 25, 2016 12:05 PM

    Yep, clean as can be. Only the cheat fans since 2007 wished it were true, to excuse their 20 years of cheating.

    Strip the titles. Strip the fake wins. Take the picks. Belicheat sub .500 coach without deflated footballs.
    ….

    Broncos have been caught actually cheating and admitted it (silicon spray on uniforms, salary cap shenanigans, multiple PED users), Pats just have won too much and everyone wants to write them a ticket. Still on the greatest NFL run of all time, enjoy it as a fan of football instead of trying to tear it down. And get your facts together.

  117. infectorman says:
    Jul 25, 2016 3:04 PM
    There are exactly 4 types of people who think Peyton* didn’t use HGH:

    1. People who know nothing about the NFL(they can plead ignorance)
    2. Peyton* Manning* Fans
    3. Complete and utter morons
    4. Patriot Haters

    These are not mutually exclusive.
    Which one are you?

    All of Manning’s entire career is now marred and tarnished with the FACT that he used HGH to come back from injury. Once a cheat, always a cheat.

    Peyton* Manning*
    ======
    I’m none of the above. It was obvious from the beginning based on the recanting of the story by the accuser. I told you all you would look stupid, and I was correct.

  118. so, even though Manning denied it. Then said it was for his wife. Which it’s on record he DID admit that!

    The NFL now says they have found no credible evidence that HGH was ever shipped to the Mannings from Guyer Institute?

    And all you sheeps are going to sit there and baa-ah and say, see difference between Manning and Brady?

    Not like i expected anything different, but a complete joke. I cannot wait to stop watching the NFL. Very, very, close

    ============================

    Manning never confirmed that any shipment was sent to his house. He completely denied it. Some rogue newspaper reports it and then it’s recanted and you haters already convicted him. Deflecting the truth because there is mountains of circumstantial evidence against Tammy Brady

    Plus Brady lied. Lots of players are suspended, most of them man up, but not hissy fit Brady. He should be suspended a year.

    >

  119. It’s funny how all of these NFL investigations turn out exactly how you’d assume the NFL would want them to.
    ————————–

    That’s a great point. The NFL sure is lucky that their investigations keep working out that way.

    I wonder when the last time was that the league was actually worried what the result of an investigation would be.

  120. says:
    Jul 25, 2016 3:41 PM
    eagleslayer says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:49 AM

    It’s just not a great century for Patriots fans….

    _________________________________

    yeah, I’ve got 4 Superbowl DVD sets that prove otherwise

    18 0
    ———————————————————
    Fatality. Flawless victory.

  121. luckyforus says:
    Jul 25, 2016 7:15 PM

    so, even though Manning denied it. Then said it was for his wife. Which it’s on record he DID admit that!

    The NFL now says they have found no credible evidence that HGH was ever shipped to the Mannings from Guyer Institute?

    And all you sheeps are going to sit there and baa-ah and say, see difference between Manning and Brady?

    Not like i expected anything different, but a complete joke. I cannot wait to stop watching the NFL. Very, very, close

    ============================

    Manning never confirmed that any shipment was sent to his house. He completely denied it. Some rogue newspaper reports it and then it’s recanted and you haters already convicted him. Deflecting the truth because there is mountains of circumstantial evidence against Tammy Brady

    Plus Brady lied. Lots of players are suspended, most of them man up, but not hissy fit Brady. He should be suspended a year.

    Incorrect, luckyforus. Peytons own denial walked a very crooked line around his wifes use of HGH. And I quote, “”Any medical treatments that my wife receives, that’s her business,” he said. “That has nothing to do with me. Nothing that was sent to her and my wife has used have I ever taken. Absolutely not. I have my treatments that I do. She may have hers, but that’s her business. There’s no connection between the two. ” Why would Peyton explicitly spell out that he has never taken anything his wife had shipped to the house? It is a bizarre thing to point out unless she was taking HGH. There is not nearly enough proof to confirm that he did it, but its very hard to say with a straight face that his wife did take it (and illegallly as the FDA has very narrow guidelines for HGH).

    And where did Brady lie, you keep saying it yet provide no citations.

  122. Plus Brady lied. Lots of players are suspended, most of them man up, but not hissy fit Brady. He should be suspended a year.

    Incorrect, luckyforus. Peytons own denial walked a very crooked line around his wifes use of HGH. And I quote, “”Any medical treatments that my wife receives, that’s her business,” he said. “That has nothing to do with me. Nothing that was sent to her and my wife has used have I ever taken. Absolutely not. I have my treatments that I do. She may have hers, but that’s her business. There’s no connection between the two. ” Why would Peyton explicitly spell out that he has never taken anything his wife had shipped to the house? It is a bizarre thing to point out unless she was taking HGH. There is not nearly enough proof to confirm that he did it, but its very hard to say with a straight face that his wife did take it (and illegallly as the FDA has very narrow guidelines for HGH).

    And where did Brady lie, you keep saying it yet provide no citations.

    ==============================

    Peyton also denied his wife took HGH. She was treated for something different. I’m sure Peyton like most athletes are very careful what they Putin their bodies as there could be a banned substance. He therefore wouldn’t tKe something his wife was prescribed. There’s no evidence direct or circumstantial against Peyton. The reporter and Guyer both confirmed the story was false. Nothing more here except speculation.

    Brady lied to Wells and Goodell about knowing McNally, his game day role and discussing psi with him. This was contradicted by Jastremski and McNally. I documented it in previous posts. Read the Wells summary and Goodell transcripts (Brady testifying) and you will see it. I referenced the pages in previous posts. I can’t now as I’m not at a computer.

    >

  123. luckyforus says:
    Jul 26, 2016 10:18 AM

    Plus Brady lied. Lots of players are suspended, most of them man up, but not hissy fit Brady. He should be suspended a year.

    Incorrect, luckyforus. Peytons own denial walked a very crooked line around his wifes use of HGH. And I quote, “”Any medical treatments that my wife receives, that’s her business,” he said. “That has nothing to do with me. Nothing that was sent to her and my wife has used have I ever taken. Absolutely not. I have my treatments that I do. She may have hers, but that’s her business. There’s no connection between the two. ” Why would Peyton explicitly spell out that he has never taken anything his wife had shipped to the house? It is a bizarre thing to point out unless she was taking HGH. There is not nearly enough proof to confirm that he did it, but its very hard to say with a straight face that his wife did take it (and illegallly as the FDA has very narrow guidelines for HGH).

    And where did Brady lie, you keep saying it yet provide no citations.

    ==============================

    Peyton also denied his wife took HGH. She was treated for something different. I’m sure Peyton like most athletes are very careful what they Putin their bodies as there could be a banned substance. He therefore wouldn’t tKe something his wife was prescribed. There’s no evidence direct or circumstantial against Peyton. The reporter and Guyer both confirmed the story was false. Nothing more here except speculation.

    Brady lied to Wells and Goodell about knowing McNally, his game day role and discussing psi with him. This was contradicted by Jastremski and McNally. I documented it in previous posts. Read the Wells summary and Goodell transcripts (Brady testifying) and you will see it. I referenced the pages in previous posts. I can’t now as I’m not at a computer.

    …..

    When did Peyton actually say his wife didn’t take HGH? Why was the Guyer Institute brought under charges for illegally importing HGH from China? Why did he send goons to Charlie Sly’s parents house who posed as cops ? And if Peyton is so worried about what goes into his body, why go to Europe for stem cell treatments that are illegal here in the US? But as you said, there is not nearly enough here to make any hard connections. But the lack of transparency by the NFL on their investigation just begs more questions and actually hurts Manning. He should demand the report be made public to clear it up.

    As to your Brady argument, actually Brady did say he knew him but not as McNally. Everyone around the stadium knew him as “Bird” which Wells never specified or just never knew. That is a pretty minor discrepancy. What is a major discrepancy is how Goodell hung part of his appeal decision on the fact he “didn’t believe Brady” when he said he never spoke of Deflategate with the equipement guys after the AFC game and yet Brady freely said in the transcript that he did discuss it because of all the national attention it garnered. This Goodell lie was repeated again in open court by NFL Atty. Paul Clement. An amicus brief was filed by a third party to point this out and was a serious embarrassment for a well respected attorney.

  124. If many of my friendships didn’t center around football, I’d quit watching. It kills people and is run by the Vladimir Putin of football. We start to come up with better ways to spend our Sundays.

  125. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jul 26, 2016 9:57 AM

    Waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

    -Patriot fans
    ____________________________________

    (Broncos – Biggest PROVEN Cheaters in NFL History)

    Sorry Troll, those are tears of joy from 20+ Years of NFL Dominance.

    Something you know nothing about…

    Trolls Lose Again!

  126. “(Broncos – Biggest PROVEN Cheaters in NFL History)”

    ****

    You keep saying that, yet when I look it up all I see are the Patriots having been convicted (proven) of cheating more than any other team.

  127. Brady denied knowing Jim McNally, period. In his appeal hearing he was shown a picture of Mcnally and he said he only knew his face.

  128. Brady denied knowing Jim McNally, period. In his appeal hearing he was shown a picture of Mcnally and he said he only knew his face.

    ==============================

    Yes, Brady lied because both Jastremski and McNally said Brady knew McNally. McNally also said he discussed psi with Brady.

    >

  129. luckyforus says:
    Jul 26, 2016 9:28 PM

    Brady denied knowing Jim McNally, period. In his appeal hearing he was shown a picture of Mcnally and he said he only knew his face.

    ==============================

    Yes, Brady lied because both Jastremski and McNally said Brady knew McNally. McNally also said he discussed psi with Brady.

    …………

    No he didn’t, Brady said he knew his face, not his name, especially as McNally. He was known as “Bird” around the stadium. And if he knew McNally so well, why were there exactly zero texts between him and Brady? And its common knowledge PSI was brought up to Jastremski and his boss after the refs illegally inflated the game balls (Brady talks about it on pg 58-60 of transcript) to well over 13.5 for the Jets game that year. Brady instructed them to set them at 12.5 and print out the rule pertaining to PSI and give it to the refs because the refs had screwed up the balls so badly on him during that Jets game. Why would Brady seek out the rule and re-introduce it to the refs if he allegedly wanted them under 12.5? It makes no sense.

  130. No he didn’t, Brady said he knew his face, not his name, especially as McNally. He was known as “Bird” around the stadium. And if he knew McNally so well, why were there exactly zero texts between him and Brady? And its common knowledge PSI was brought up to Jastremski and his boss after the refs illegally inflated the game balls (Brady talks about it on pg 58-60 of transcript) to well over 13.5 for the Jets game that year. Brady instructed them to set them at 12.5 and print out the rule pertaining to PSI and give it to the refs because the refs had screwed up the balls so badly on him during that Jets game. Why would Brady seek out the rule and re-introduce it to the refs if he allegedly wanted them under 12.5? It makes no sense.

    ==============================

    Blah blah blah

    More nonsense deflection tactics.

    If you read pages 19 and 20 of the Wells Report and pages 122,123,124,139 and 140 of the Goodell transcripts it clearly states that Brady said he didn’t know McNally or his game day responsibilities and McNally said he discussed psi with Brady which Brady denied. Both Jastremski and McNally both testified to Wells that Brady knew McNally and his game day responsibilities. Brady did say he knew his face at the Goodell hearing but that’s irrelevant as the interviews were in March and June well after the AFCCG when everyone knew McNally. It’s possible but unlikely Brady only knew McNally as Bird prior to the AFCCG, but when Brady testified he clearly knew who they were referring to as the whole world knew McNally soon after the AFCCG. So Brady is denying he knew McNally or Bird as they call him and Brady is denying he ever discussed psi with McNally. Brady therefore lied to Wells and Goodell (under oath).

    Brady wanted them at 12.5 for 2 reasons. If they were illegally deflated then it would be lower than 12.5 and if they weren’t illegally deflated then they would be at the minimum. If Brady didn’t specify 12.5 they could end up at 13.5 or higher. Common sense and shows the psi level was extremely important to Brady.

    >

  131. luckyforus…..

    you, just like Pash/Wells, are tippytoeing around with word usage. The Wells report clearly states on page 19 that Brady said “he did not know McNally’s name….”. It does not say that Brady did not know the person whose name is McNally. If Brady didn’t know the person,. then why did Wells even bother saying “McNally’s name” when he could have just said “Brady said he did not know McNally”.

    It is a sleight of hand move that leads people to believe one thing is being said when the writer is actually saying something else. The word “name” is key in that sentence, because everything following that relies on that word being part of the sentence. You take that word out (which you did) and the meaning is different.

  132. orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jul 26, 2016 8:19 PM

    “(Broncos – Biggest PROVEN Cheaters in NFL History)”

    ****

    You keep saying that, yet when I look it up all I see are the Patriots having been convicted (proven) of cheating more than any other team.
    —————————

    You must have looked in the wrong place, because the Broncos have been “convicted” twice for salary cap violations, once for taping a walk-through, had a player get busted trying to bribe a guy for his urine, and numerous other PED violations.

    The Broncos are the cheatingest bunch of cheaters that ever cheated the game of football.

  133. mmack66 says:
    Jul 27, 2016 3:25 PM

    orange and blue own the nfl says:
    Jul 26, 2016 8:19 PM

    “(Broncos – Biggest PROVEN Cheaters in NFL History)”

    ****

    You keep saying that, yet when I look it up all I see are the Patriots having been convicted (proven) of cheating more than any other team.
    —————————

    You must have looked in the wrong place, because the Broncos have been “convicted” twice for salary cap violations, once for taping a walk-through, had a player get busted trying to bribe a guy for his urine, and numerous other PED violations.

    The Broncos are the cheatingest bunch of cheaters that ever cheated the game of football.
    …….

    And don’t forget Mark Schlereth’s admission that the ’98 Broncos lineman used silicon spray/vaseline on their uniforms to make them slicker and hard to block.

  134. luckyforus

    Not sure still what your point is. Brady said he didnt know McNallys name yet knew his face and that he had a job in the equipment room. Brady said he didnt remember talking to him about PSI, McNally , through the filter of Ted Wells, allegedly said they did. Brady did say he spoke with Jastremski and Schoenfeld about PSI so why would he lie about talking with McNally, it would make more sense if he just said he never discussed it with anyone.

    And to your other point, you misunderstood my question, which is, why would Brady want the balls under 12.5, yet deliberately point out the rule, chapter and verse, to the referees when turning the gameballs over? It makes no sense.

  135. aj66shanghai says:
    Jul 25, 2016 3:58 PM
    Weird how Pats fans think that Manning’s guilt somehow would exonerate Brady.

    It wouldn’t, fyi

    ________________________________________

    Yes, but it highlights the range of disciplinary action/investigation among rules violations in the NFL. It’s completely arbitrary. Its like watching The Donald at a press conference and not knowing what crazy thing he’s going to say.

    I actually though they would give Peyton the Brady treatment. Cell phone records, interviews with trainers/staff, autographed memorabilia, etc. I’m sure in a years worth of text messages they’d find something. Then write a report that mentions a few text messages that some trainer sent to some other trainer about “juice”. And refer to him as The Juicer. Obviously, he’s the guy shooting Peyton full of steroids. Even without a failed drug test, or admitting guilt, they could have nailed his legacy to the side of a barn.

    But the didn’t. Maybe there’s preferential treatment, as Pats fans are suggesting, but also maybe they learned their lesson.

  136. I actually though they would give Peyton the Brady treatment. Cell phone records, interviews with trainers/staff, autographed memorabilia, etc. I’m sure in a years worth of text messages they’d find something. Then write a report that mentions a few text messages that some trainer sent to some other trainer about “juice”. And refer to him as The Juicer. Obviously, he’s the guy shooting Peyton full of steroids. Even without a failed drug test, or admitting guilt, they could have nailed his legacy to the side of a barn.

    But the didn’t. Maybe there’s preferential treatment, as Pats fans are suggesting, but also maybe they learned their lesson.

    ============================

    The NFL investigation into Brady revealed a lot of suspicious findings. That’s why they hired Wells to investigate.

    The NFL 7 month Manning investigation found nothing and both Peyton and his wife fully cooperated so no need to hire Wells.

    >

  137. Huh? Maybe I missed something. Didn’t they ship HGH to Manning’s house while he was injured? How is that not at least suspicious?

    I also thought Wells was hired a few days after the AFC championship game. At that time all they knew was that the PSI of the footballs played during that game was within a reasonable range. The incriminating information didn’t come up until months of digging into phone records and interviewing Patriots staffers.

    I’m not saying either is guilty or innocent. All I’m saying is that the NFL is extremely inconsistent in investigating rules violations. It’s not that controversial really.

  138. luckyforus says:
    Jul 27, 2016 11:50 AM

    Brady wanted them at 12.5 for 2 reasons. If they were illegally deflated then it would be lower than 12.5 and if they weren’t illegally deflated then they would be at the minimum. If Brady didn’t specify 12.5 they could end up at 13.5 or higher. Common sense and shows the psi level was extremely important to Brady.

    ________________________________________

    This isn’t common sense at all. It was the first time the NFL ever measured halftime PSI of footballs.

    It sounds like you have read the Wells report. You’re focused on an extremely narrow angle where you’re saying Brady lied. That’s fine. But there are lots of inconsistencies in that report, pointing the other way, that seem to square just fine with you. Jastremski telling his girlfriend that Brady likes the footballs at 13. Why would he write that if an elaborate scheme was in place to deflate footballs? Ignoring inconclusive scientific data. Not presenting any interview transcripts. Instead, presenting an out-of-context and ambiguous text message from the off-season as major evidence.

    That’s notwithstanding all the shady stuff the NFL did, like leaking false info and waiting 4 months to release the exculpatory PSI evidence. Editing the report from an independent investigation. Telling a Pats employee “you’re in big f’in trouble” before anything was known. Admitting in court they didn’t have any evidence against Brady. Arbitrating your own disciplinary decision (Which to me is the most ridiculous of all these. If you’re right, and all of this is common sense, then why do that?)

    After I read the Wells report, I thought “under this level of scrutiny and presumption of guilt, how many NFL teams aren’t cheating?” It’s probably none.

    Still waiting for the report on this Manning investigation. It will be interesting to read what was in the text messages of his trainers and doctors at the Guyer institute.

  139. luckyforus says:
    Jul 28, 2016 12:51 PM
    The NFL investigation into Brady revealed a lot of suspicious findings. That’s why they hired Wells to investigate.

    The NFL 7 month Manning investigation found nothing and both Peyton and his wife fully cooperated so no need to hire Wells.

    ………….

    The Manning investigation actually is quite inconclusive as no one outside the NFL has examined it. The 7month investigation is being kept in-house and strangely the NFL seems to have fixed their massive leak problem they had during the Brady investigation. To accept the NFL’s word for it is to completely ignore their bungling of the Saints, Rice, Irsay, Peterson, Hardy and Brady debacles. If I’m Manning I would implore the league to make it public to satisfy the questions it is begging.

  140. They let Pay-Pay walk because he pays-pays.

    Among the other 4 players, they will find a scapegoat and throw him under the bandwagon to be destroyed so it appears they did a thorough and unbiased investigation.

    The question is which player. Could pick from three very high profile players from two beloved, salt-of-the-earth, THIS IS THE NFL FRANCHISES: Packers or Steelers.

    Or they could pick the Packer player who was not resigned: Mike Neal.

    I think I know which one the NFL will choose……

  141. truthfactory says:
    Jul 25, 2016 11:26 AM

    I’m not making a judgement of who was guilty or who wasn’t (I happen to think they both are guilty)… But I think Manning at least handled it better to make him appear more innocent.

    Almost as if by design wouldn’t you say?

    PM had the benefit of watching the NFL do it’s best WWE on Brady.

    I’m sure Daddy Manning had nothing to do with it.

  142. luckyforus says:
    Jul 27, 2016 11:50 AM

    Brady wanted them at 12.5 for 2 reasons. If they were illegally deflated then it would be lower than 12.5 and if they weren’t illegally deflated then they would be at the minimum. If Brady didn’t specify 12.5 they could end up at 13.5 or higher. Common sense and shows the psi level was extremely important to Brady.
    ——————————————————————–

    Gullible people that didn’t notice any of the “56 LIES THE NFL TOLD DURING DEFLATEGATE” became dupes and many continue believe the initial false story that was later corrected which claimed that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI. The NFL only measured 10 Patriots footballs which contradicts the claim that 12 footballs were measured. The NFL measured 10 Patriots footballs using 2 two pressure gauges to obtain 20 separate measurements. 19 of those measurements were above 10.50 PSI which contradicts the claim that 11 footballs were 2.0 PSI below 12.50 PSI.

    One of the 20 measurements being at 10.50 PSI can be explained by a defective football with a slow leak or air being released during the measuring process. The valves in footballs can be defective. The initial lie about “11 of 12” is what made a defective football scenario seem improbable.

    4 of the 12 Colts footballs were measured and after the Patriots 10 footballs were all measured twice. 3 of 4 of the Colts footballs had measurements below 12.50 when measured with one of the gauges. That same gauge measured one of the footballs at exactly 12.50 PSI but the measurements were clearly transposed so that measurements was attributed to the other pressure gauge.

    Colts PSI measurements when they were measured by the NFL near the end of halftime:
    Colts football #1 12.70 — 12.35
    Colts football #2 12.75 — 12.30
    Colts football #3 12.50 — 12.95
    Colts football #4 12.55 — 12.15

    The measurements of the Patriots footballs were then compared to the measurements of the Colts footballs and that comparison resulted in the inaccurate conclusion of “cheating”.

    That comparison was flawed and here is why:
    • The NFL allows footballs to be within a range of 12.50 PSI to 13.50 PSI. It is known that prior to the start of the game the Patriots footballs were measured at 12.50 PSI and the Colts footballs were measured at 13.50 PSI.

    • The Colts were the visiting team so the Colts footballs were likely transported in the cargo hold of an airplane and then the luggage trunk of a bus. This means that the Colts footballs could have already been more acclimated to outdoor temperatures when measured prior to the game.

    • It is known that the Colts football did not get as wet at the Patriots footballs during the first half of the game. This is due to time of possession and that the Colts footballs were being kept in a plastic bag and the Patriots footballs were out in the open. A study was done where it was shown that by wetting a football the volume can increase by up to 3%.

    This is due to the fact that leather becomes more pliable when it is wet. This allows the leather to stretch thereby increasing the size of the football. So the same amount of air that was stuffed into a smaller container is then held in a slightly larger container will result in a small pressure drop.

    • It is a fact that wet footballs warm up slower than dry footballs. We also know that the 4 Colts dryer footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while 10 of the Patriots wetter footballs were all being measured twice.

    Even the physicists that were still believing the false story about the 11 of 12 footballs dropping 2.0 PSI stated that footballs will drop in pressure when moved from a warm location to a colder location. Some concluded that the temperature difference couldn’t account for a 2.0 PSI drop. The temperature did not have to account for a 2.0 PSI drop because it didn’t happen. Plus the rain was a second factor that needs to be considered.

    This is confirmed by testes online where you can watch on video as the pressure readings drop on pressure gauges that are left inserted in footballs as the football are placed into a refrigerator. The pressure readings can then be seen rising when the refrigerator door is opened some time later.

    This information would be confirmed by obtaining measurements during NFL games played under similar weather conditions. The NFL is reported to have collected measurements during the 2015 season but has decided to keep those measurements secret. Which is interesting because the NFL seemed to go out of its way to make everything else about deflategate as public as possible especially the 56 lies.

  143. Mo Pro Babble says:
    Jul 31, 2016 1:28 PM

    PM had the benefit of watching the NFL do it’s best WWE on Brady.

    I’m sure Daddy Manning had nothing to do with it.

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    Peyton also has the benefit of knowing what the accusation was, so he could defend himself. One part of the Brady saga that never added up was the NFL leaking fake PSI numbers, then accusing Brady of deliberately deflating the footballs (think Bill Nye and Mark Brunell during Superbowl week), and refusing to release the real ones for many months.

    It cannot be explained as an honest mistake from the NFL (they correct false information all the time, and the Patriots were begging them to release the data).

    It cannot be explained as “we want to keep everything in house until the investigation is complete” (because there were dozens of leaks about specific Wells report information, just not the exonerating evidence).

    How can this deliberate inaction on the part of the NFL office be explained if they actually cared about the truth?

  144. Whatever keeps that Papa John’s money flowing to the networks and the NFL, lmao!!! Just a tale of two QB one who told Roger to shove it up his ass and one who kissed his ass because he was leaving anyhow.

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