Bosa, Chargers haven’t talked since Thursday

AP

On Friday, Chargers G.M. Tom Telesco said that the team and the agents representing unsigned defensive end Joey Bosa are “actively talking.”

Define “actively.” Also, define “talking.”

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the two sides last communicated on Thursday, two days before the Chargers reported to camp. The Chargers made an offer on Thursday morning. Bosa’s camp responded within 90 minutes. The last communication came from the team, which essentially asked Bosa’s representatives if they were sure about their position. They were, and they are.

Telesco has called the differences “small” and “fundamental.” They are indeed fundamental, but not small.

The primary sticking points, according to the sources, continue to be: (1) whether the fully guaranteed contract will include offset language; and (2) whether Bosa’s signing bonus will be paid in full this year. The team wants offset language and deferral of a significant portion of the signing bonus into 2017. At a time when many believe Bosa wants the exact opposite on both points, the truth is that Bosa’s representatives would accept one or the other: Offset language or full payment of the signing bonus in 2016.

And that’s not a new development. Bosa has been willing to take one or the other since May.

The Chargers base their refusal on team precedent. Bosa’s position is bolstered by the fact that, among top five picks, the trend has been for the player to have offset language and no deferral of the bonus into the next year or no offset language and deferral.

For the top five picks drafted from 2012 through 2015, 16 of 20 received no offset language or no deferral of signing bonus into the next year. In 2016, three of the top-five picks who have signed received one or the other. But for a relatively small piece of Carson Wentz’s bonus that was deferred to 2017, the only exception this year was Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliot, who accepted offset language and deferral of his signing bonus. The Chargers are clinging to that point, even though 19 of the other 23 top-five picks since 2012 have gotten at least one or the other.

Beyond the top five, multiple draft picks will receive all of their signing bonus this year. Ravens tackle Ronnie Stanley, the sixth overall pick, gets his full $13.097 million before the end of the calendar year. 49ers defensive lineman DeForest Buckner will receive his full $11.492 million before the end of the calendar year. For Bosa, however, the Chargers are proposing a deferral percentage bigger than any other top-five pick has agreed to since 2012.

Other issues, mainly regarding contract language, also exist between the Chargers and Bosa. But the main two points are offset language and deferral. The Chargers want both to go their way. Bosa wants only one.

With both sides dug in, there’s nothing to talk about. Which explains why the two sides aren’t “actively talking.” They may not be talking, for a while.

54 responses to “Bosa, Chargers haven’t talked since Thursday

  1. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Chargers will never win a super bowl as long as the Spanos family is in charge. Bad owner = no chance. Just like the Lions, Vikings, Browns, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Rams, Titans, Jaguars, Jets, Bengals…. the list goes on.

    It’s so nice to be a fan of a team with executives that get it.

  2. I hope this dud sits out the whole year, although I know he won’t. He would be lucky to be picked in the 1st round next draft.

  3. Great NFL, give LA the most poorly coached 7-9 team & a possible Charger team that can’t sign a top 3 pick. Way to get a buzz generated in the market you have been begging to get back in for 20 some years.

  4. It would seem to me that letting the team invest your money for another 6+ months isn’t a great idea. They should increase the bonus if they want to keep the interest they’ll make on that money.

  5. This is a really, REALLY stupid demand by the Chargers, at a time when they NEED to be working on their public image with the entire city of San Diego. If they don’t want to live within the precedents set for top 5 picks they should’ve traded back. Bosa can help them a lot on the field… they need to drop their unrealistic demands and get him onto the field.

  6. Well, it was rumored he wasn’t worth the spot in which he was drafted, and any rookie looks bad not getting a deal done. Looks like the Bucs getting Noah Spence was a great deal.

  7. the chargers haven’t had a top 5 pick since 2004…what team precedent? all those mid round first round picks they have drafted in recent years weren’t exactly in the same position that Bosa is in. Chargers are asking him to bend over relative to what recent top 5 picks have been getting.

  8. Let’s not forget how SD management treated Weddle last year.

    For all the talk post draft on how Bosa was their guy, the Chargers have a funny way of backing that talk up.

  9. The best thing the NFL did was restructure rookie contracts. Had this been the old days, the numbers today would be insane. I can see this guy demanding $50M guarantee of a $100M contract without ever playing a down. By the same token, the teams need to play fair with rookies.

  10. C’mon Chargers., he’s asking for very little.
    To make an issue out of this gets the relationship off to a bad start and hinders the development of one of your potential star players.

    If Bosa is a bust and is cut his 4th year, a signing team won’t pay him much, maybe vet minimum to 1MM, so the recovered money is fairly small. And thats only if he’s bad enough to cut. If Bosa turns out to be a little below average, he’ll play his 4th year.
    And the cost is harming your players development.

    >> Offset language or full payment of the signing bonus in 2016.

    >>And that’s not a new development. Bosa has been willing to take one or the other since May.

  11. I don’t get it. The Chargers have repeatedly said that the difference between them and Bosa during the contract negotiations is small in their opinion. Obviously to Bosa either no offset or getting his signing Bonus paid in full this year is not a small thing. So if the Chargers feel it is a small thing why don’t they just give Bosa one or the other?

    By the way getting millions in signing bonus now versus a year later is the difference of hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest from investments. Due to inflation alone a million today is worth more than a million next year.

    It’s just foolish to me to draft someone 3rd overall and then not get him into camp over something the team has admitted is small to them.

  12. Sounds to me like two kids arguing. As far as the bonus being deferred, I would have to take Bosa’s side on that one. If so many of the other players taken both before and after him are getting their bonus non-deferred, then the Chargers are just being cheap–which is pathetic. As far as the offset language, I’d take the Chargers side. Why don’t they just give in a little bit and get ‘er done?

  13. And that’s not a new development. Bosa has been willing to take one or the other since May.

    After reading that statement, I’d have to place the blame squarely on the Chargers for Bosa not being signed. I really don’t blame him for holding out after reading the terms of the negotiations. The deferral of the bonus is puzzling. As someone mentioned in another thread the Chargers are doing that to save a few thousand. C’mon, really? This isn’t Wal-Mart, this is the NFL. If this is accurate that means the Chargers have wasted three months trying to squeeze Bosa out of what everyone picked around him are getting. I understand the offset language part but it sounds to me like Bosa and his agents would have agreed to have that in the contract as long as the bonus wasn’t deferred.

    It makes me wonder what the goal of the Chargers here is. It sounds like they are being knuckleheads and sacrificing the three months they could have had him in camp. Way to go Chargers.

  14. When I had first heard that Bosa was going to hold-out, I thought, “what an arrogant prick.”

    Then I read about the Chargers management playing hardball and I think, “what a bunch of arrogant pricks!”

    This guy certainly looks like the real deal. Pay him fairly and get on with it!

  15. However the contract issues are finally resolved, it seems that Telesco and the Spanos kids are in way over the heads. The drafts have yielded a few hits but far too many misses. This season they desperately need fans to be excited about the team and the prospect of a new stadium. It’s hard to see that happening.

  16. Pey dat man his maney! (this year instead of next)

    Appreciate Bosa’s agent giving Florio more info. Keep the offset, but give more signing bonus now. If he uses the money unwisely, that’s his problem, but still his choice – America F&#k Yeah! Spanos probably wants more money today to invest in PR for the stadium vote, but that’s not Bosa’s problem. Take out a loan Deano!

    Demanding no offset language (getting to double dip) is ridiculous though, and I hope Telesco holds firm on that point. No player should have a contractual financial incentive to force his way off a team.

  17. Seems Joey Failure had his agents working overtime to swing public opinion. keep those tweets flowing against Joey and quest for failure

  18. Wow, all the above are coming down on Charger management. Actually, Bosa should have reported. His agents’ demands suggest Bosa will be difficult to deal with longer term. For every day he holds out he should be docked a day’s pay. Because these cry babies are contracted to make millions, they should be docked for not showing up! This means their losing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Barring illness, if I don’t show I don’t get paid! These remarks probably come from Bernie Sanders voters: e.g.” give em whatever they want.” Give, give, give. Free, free, free. What the hell is going on in the NFL? Trade Bosa now. He admitted, he was pushed around during OTA’s. Maybe he’s not as good as he thinks he is. I hope I’m wrong. Trade him. He’s already becoming a distraction to the team.

  19. Chargers are being stupid here…. But then again that’s nothing new or unexpected…. Dumb!!!!

  20. Look at the organizations like the Broncos and Pats and you understand why they consistently win. Look at the Chargers and you understand they are more interested in winning the contract negotiation than winning on the field. It is pathetic. Is there a cash flow problem? The NFL prints money. And by the way, they also poisoned the relationship with a young man who if everything turns out perfect will bolt first chance he gets. Great job!

  21. @guy – every other top 5 pick for years has been getting EITHER – signing bonus paid year 1 and taking offset language in contract. OR, vice versa. If such a great team like SD thinks they are so special and can demand offset language and deferral of signing bonus, they are more delusional than most. Its not like they are sitting on Lombardi trophies from 3 of the last 5 years. If you don’t want to pay, move out of the third pick and play where you are more comfortable. The loser in this will be the fans in the long run – not Bosa. And if you want to call Bosa a bum, SD had other options. Again, a SD management issue.

  22. kcchefs58 says:
    Aug 1, 2016 8:07 AM

    What a greedy jerk. He should eagerly sign a league minimum deal to help out the team, because that’s what the rest of is would do.
    =====================================

    GMs would LOVE to go up against someone like you in negotiations.

  23. crewchief15 says:
    Aug 1, 2016 10:37 AM
    Thank you San Diego ~ Dallas fan.

    Gregory, McClain, Lawrence…….thanks Jerry Jones!

    None a top 5 pick by Dallas you moron.. go back to the closet

  24. zerotrophiessince1961 says:
    Aug 1, 2016 8:08 AM
    I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Chargers will never win a super bowl as long as the Spanos family is in charge. Bad owner = no chance. Just like the Lions, Vikings, Browns, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Rams, Titans, Jaguars, Jets, Bengals…. the list goes on.

    It’s so nice to be a fan of a team with executives that get it.

    Other than the fact that Owners you list have multiple rings you nitwit

  25. This is a great example as to why the Chargers have such a small fan base.

    Just continue to suck baby.

  26. wow. remember when SD bragged how Joey Bosa was their preferred pick for months before the draft ?

    …only to force him and his agent to hold out his rookie season?

    Bizarre, to say the least…

  27. kennadrin says:
    Aug 1, 2016 11:43 AM
    zerotrophiessince1961 says:
    Aug 1, 2016 8:08 AM
    I’m becoming more and more convinced that the Chargers will never win a super bowl as long as the Spanos family is in charge. Bad owner = no chance. Just like the Lions, Vikings, Browns, Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers, Rams, Titans, Jaguars, Jets, Bengals…. the list goes on.

    It’s so nice to be a fan of a team with executives that get it.
    ——————————–
    Other than the fact that Owners you list have multiple rings you nitwit
    ——————————-

    Yeah. The Jets in the 60s pre Woody. Dolphins in the 70s. Cowboys in the 90s pre-JJ taking over the GM duties (because he’s a moron). 49ers in the 90s before DeBartolo took over.

    The rest have (justly) never won a title.

    I retain my point.

  28. Offset contract language is an old negotiation tactic that most teams don’t even bother with anymore. And to hold some of his signing bonus to 2017 is stupid too.
    Then again the Chargers GM took Bosa early when other teams were concerned with his past character issues. Geez, isn’t that what’s happening here ??
    What the heck is going on in S.D. ? Is it in the water ?

  29. This is just great!

    With Johnson now out probably for the entire season, & Bosa holding out, are the Chargers once again going to stumble & do a class 1 face plant in the turf all season?

    Pro Tip: Spanos family – Sell the Team! PLEASE!

  30. kennadrin says:
    Aug 1, 2016 11:42 AM

    crewchief15 says:
    Aug 1, 2016 10:37 AM
    Thank you San Diego ~ Dallas fan.

    Gregory, McClain, Lawrence…….thanks Jerry Jones!

    None a top 5 pick by Dallas you moron.. go back to the closet
    ————————–
    Cowboyfan45,
    What is your point to my post? Maybe you should also list the great O-line and than Jerry Jones.

  31. Wow, seems like all the posts now are going for Bosa now. Almost everywhere else since last week the feeling has been for him to settle and report.

    I blame his agents as they want to show prospective clients how tough they are and this is an easy one.

    I also think they are pushing PR spin now to make the Chargers look bad. He’s an unproven rookie, period, and I’m sure if the two groups REALLY wanted to make a deal, they would. Bosa should instruct his agents do just that, and not use him for their future bargaining. After all, they responded just 90 minutes after the Chargers last offer with nothing.

    Look at all the top defensive draft picks in the last years (Clowney, et.al.) and tell me he should be missing key practices right now.

  32. Whether Bosa turns out to be a bust or not, and whether this is all his fault or the Chargers, he’s now coming into the situation with a black mark on his name with the fans and losing valuable conditioning time and reps. Whenever he does go to work he’ll be behind the 8-ball on multiple fronts and that doesn’t work in either side’s favor.

  33. Agreed. Don’t want people rooting against you when they feel you are taking advantange. And we also know that if he turns out strong, he and his agents will play hardball and may not likely stick around. It’s a bad vibe all around.

  34. AJ Smith and now Tom Telelsco.
    LT, Jackson, Weddle etc etc. Seems like every year there is a major contract dispute in San Diego.
    Chargers front office and owners must be stubborn as hell.

  35. EVERY team in the NFL has a major contract dispute EVERY year – it’s a business. Weddle was an 8 year veteran and 3 time Pro Bowler and was the motivational leader of the defense. Bosa is an unproven rookie who hasn’t made one practice, and I would not put this on the level of “major contract.” I agree that Weddle could have been handled much better, but I think Bosa and his people are making this bigger than it should be.

  36. Typical Chargers crap. They deserved to pick in the top 5, but now feel entitled not to pay at the position they picked. They could have traded out if they had issues with the terms, the terms have been known prior to the draft.

    Worst run team in the AFC West…alienated their franchise QB last year, threatened to move to LA, didn’t resign one of their team captains…why is anyone surprised by this pathetic team?

  37. Bosa has so little confidence in his ability to succeed in the NFL that he thinks he’ll be cut before the end of the season, possibly not even making the 53-man roster.

    There is no other explanation.

  38. While we know Florio reflexively sides with players, it’s hard to see why the payment date should be an issue to the team. It’s guaranteed anyway, right? So all the team would theoretically benefit by delaying payment is the interest earned holding onto the guaranteed amount for an extra year – which at current interest rates on deposits would total about what, $10,000, at most? Seems like less than the cost of fees incurred by attorneys, accountants, and other team advisors.

    Or is there some other effect on salary cap depending on year in which guaranteed amount is to be paid?

  39. San Diego, proving Eli right every day. Is there something in the SD water? Remember when the Padres went after the local product known as Matt Bush because they didn’t want to pay top money to the first overall pick.

    If you don’t want to pay the pick, trade it. This makes SD look like amateur hour and proves The Mannings right.

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