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Sunday Night wrap-up: Jimmy Garoppolo recovers to win Patriots debut

New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo (10) fumbles as Arizona Cardinals linebacker Chandler Jones (55) recovers the ball during the first half of an NFL football game, Sunday, Sept. 11, 2016, in Glendale, Ariz. (AP Photo/Rick Scuteri) AP

No, he wasn’t Tom Brady. But the Patriots didn’t ask him to be either.

Quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo did just fine in his debut as the interim starter, leading the Patriots to a 23-21 win on the road over the Cardinals.

He did fumble in the first half, and you could tell they were protecting him in several ways.

The early lean on the run was clearly part of the plan, and it set up the kind of play action that made him comfortable. But not pushing the issue before the end of the first half was the kind of conservative play they clearly wouldn’t have made with Brady.

But Brady won’t be back for three more games, so they have to work with what they have. Garoppolo was able to buy himself some time with his feet on occasion, and was 24-of-33 for 264 yards and a touchdown, on a night without star tight end Rob Gronkowski.

That’s fine, because the Patriots don’t need him to be Brady, and coupled with a solid defensive outing and some good luck (a bad snap on a potential game-winning field goal for the Cardinals) it was all he needed to do.

Here are five more things we learned during Sunday Night Football:

1. Nothing that happened to Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer approached the abject disaster category.

But he wasn’t as sharp as we’re used to seeing him, in the first game after his playoff meltdown at Carolina.

In case you had forgotten (let’s hope he has), Palmer threw four interceptions in that loss to the Panthers in the NFC Championship Game. He wasn’t nearly that bad Sunday (that might have been impossible), but he wasn’t what you’d call efficient.

Palmer finished 24-of-37 for 271 yards, and gave them the lead in the fourth quarter, so this may be a bit harsh of a critique against a quality defense.

It’s too soon to panic, as he’s played too well in Arizona for too long. But until he gets back to his pre-playoff form, it’s going to be in the back of a lot of minds.

2. Speaking of people who have played so well in Arizona for so long, Larry Fitzgerald should never retire.

His fourth quarter touchdown grab was the kind he’s made so often, that we may take for granted how good he has been. He entered the season 11th on the all-time receptions and receiving touchdowns lists and 15th in receiving yards.

Nothing he showed Sunday night indicates he’s falling off (eight catches for 81 yards and two touchdowns), though the Cardinals have more weapons around him, which may make it look like he’s not having the same kind of impact.

3. Of all the people who helped Garoppolo Sunday night, veteran assistant coach Dante Scarnecchia has to be near the top of the list.

Because of injuries, the Patriots were starting a pair of backup tackles, two rookie guards and an undrafted center. For those of you not familiar with their personnel (and if you are we’re sufficiently impressed), that would be left tackle Cameron Fleming, left guard Joe Thuney, center David Andrews, right guard Ted Karras and right tackle Marcus Cannon.

Left tackle Nate Solder and guard Jonathan Cooper were among the inactives, and Shaq Mason had a huge cast on his right hand and was able to rotate in at right guard, leaving them with an odd lot of parts to piece together. But knowing they were going to be changing tires on a moving car this year anyway, they brought Scarnecchia out of retirement to administer the pit stop.

4. Cardinals pass-rusher Chandler Jones fell on a fumble early, but he didn’t quite match the production of the guy who replaced him in New England.

Veteran defensive end Chris Long was solid in his Patriots debut, collecting two sacks early and forcing a key holding flag late. That’s the kind of production they need after they shipped Jones to the Cardinals for Cooper and a second-round pick.

Long, 31, is exactly the kind of late-career veteran the Patriots have signed to great effect in the past, and he appears to have found his niche already. And the Patriots parlayed the pick into a pair of promising young players (Thuney in the third round and fourth-round wideout Malcolm Mitchell), in addition to the kind of salary cap flexibility they crave.

The Cardinals are confident Jones will find his form (36.0 sacks in his 55 games with the Patriots), and his fourth-quarter sack energized the crowd. But the Patriots have plenty of potential free agents to pay after the season, so letting Jones go fits their organizational profile.

5. The hit of the night might have belonged to Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman.

Unfortunately, some poor equipment attendant on the Cardinals sideline was the one to pay the price.

In the first quarter, Edelman caught a pass headed out of bounds, but lowered his shoulder just before impact with the unsuspecting adult ballboy. It would have been a solid shot on another player, and some degree of contact may have been hard to avoid.

But it still looked odd, and unnecessarily aggressive.

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192 Responses to “Sunday Night wrap-up: Jimmy Garoppolo recovers to win Patriots debut”
  1. ChrisCicc says: Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM

    God I love the Patriots

  2. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM

    Let the Patriot Hater tears flow.🙂 I’m thirsty!

  3. nufcedmcgreevey says: Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM

    What is it now haters? Was it the cameras, ball psi? You haters have nothing! No tb12, no gronk and we still win. Haters hate, patriots win!

  4. plum54 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:39 PM

    Josh McDaniels called a great game! Love it!

  5. alan226 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:39 PM

    Hey Rog, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  6. kissmytaintpatriotswinagain says: Sep 11, 2016 11:39 PM

    Let the salty tears fall…..

  7. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:39 PM

    And great game ARI.

    Rematch in a few months?🙂

  8. oddte says: Sep 11, 2016 11:40 PM

    The New England Patriots are still the smartest brand of football in the NFL.

  9. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says: Sep 11, 2016 11:40 PM

    HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW!?!? Even with Brady at home the pats are winning the division. Pats beat Arizona without Brady and Gronk. Everyone is gonna get it real soon

  10. nhpats says: Sep 11, 2016 11:40 PM

    Another bad day in an upcoming bad year for #TheHaters…

    Go Pats!

  11. shadywarrior says: Sep 11, 2016 11:40 PM

    EVERYTHING’S COMIN’ UP PATRIOTS!!! That was a hell of a win right there. I look forward to hearing how mad everyone else is.

  12. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:41 PM

    Hey Patriot Hater! Where you at?🙂

  13. dcpatfan says: Sep 11, 2016 11:41 PM

    I AM SO PROUD TO BE A PATRIOT!!!

    #seethingyet???

  14. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:42 PM

    Let’s hear your excuses Patriot Hater🙂 Where you at boy?

  15. shadywarrior says: Sep 11, 2016 11:42 PM

    Offseason is when 31 other teams get to crow. In-season is when they have to eat it.

  16. nhpats says: Sep 11, 2016 11:42 PM

    Patriots 1-0
    Bills 0-1
    Jets 0-1
    Dolphins 0-1

    All is right with the world!

  17. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:43 PM

    I’m feeling mighty good about the 4 time World Champions this year🙂

    Looking around the league today… can’t say anyone impressed me other than the two teams playing tonight.
    🙂

  18. stipez says: Sep 11, 2016 11:43 PM

    See Brady’s just a system quarterback…
    with 4 Superbowls.

  19. flash1287 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:43 PM

    Fartimus Prime says:
    Zona will destroy the Patsies with or without little Tammy.

    mongo3401 says:
    Pats are going to get slapped around bad tonight by Arizona. Lots of sacks

    Is anyone really surprised? The CRYBABIES get it WRONG AGAIN!!!

  20. RE LEE says: Sep 11, 2016 11:43 PM

    The haters are deflated.

  21. dudeicle says: Sep 11, 2016 11:44 PM

    2 – 2 just got a whole lot simpler

  22. justsayin70 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:44 PM

    Way to go 2015 AFC Runner-Ups!

  23. bawston1 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:44 PM

    Goodell S–UK IT

  24. lapantherfan86 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:44 PM

    Congrats to the pats. To recap the day:

    Arizona lost to New England without Brady or Gronk.
    Seattle and Green Bay barely squeaked out wins over garbage AFC teams.

    I’ve never been more confident in my Panthers. Stay healthy and keep pounding!

  25. headwoundharry says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    Love them or hate them, another masterful job by Belichik. Congrats.

  26. bencoates57 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    So the worst that can happen by the time Brady returns is …. if the Patriots lose all 3 games and one or more division rivals wins all 3, the Patriots are 2 games back headed into Cleveland. That’s 2 back. That’s the WORST that can happen if nothing goes right from here on.

  27. trailerparkking says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    Once a Bungal always a Bungal, Carson.
    How about that phantom roughing the passer flag on third down?
    #soft

  28. grogansheroes says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    Well, after one week the Pats are in first place. It’s a game I didn’t expect them to win. Thought the defense is capable of more than they showed tonight. But you lose the turnover battle, on the road, to a team coming off the NFC championship game. Jimmy G indeed looks like the second best QB in the division. Isn’t it a pleasure to watch Fitz? Glad he’s not in our division.

  29. patriotsticketssince1978 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    And there was no joy in haterville…
    …mighty Arizona had struck out.

  30. alan226 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    Business as usual. All the AFC East teams lose and the Pats win.

    Gonna be a loooong year Rex , Todd and Company….

  31. mdmahoney88 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM

    Outside of the fans from 5 and a half New England states, how PISSED is the rest of the country right now? You can take away the hall of fame QB, the all-world tight end, the starting left tackle…and they still go into the building of a 2015 final four team and win.

  32. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Sep 11, 2016 11:46 PM

    Who has the top TWO (maybe 3) quarterbacks in the AFC east? The Patriots do. Am I right or am I right? First in the division and not looking back. We have the depth and the coaching. Heads exploding? Damn right.

  33. bawston1 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:46 PM

    Without starting + goat QB
    Without all-record breaking starting TE
    Without no-stopping starting RB
    Without 4 projected starters in OL including starting LT
    Without starting DE

    Without winning turnovers + losing 2 (both for TD)

  34. nufcedmcgreevey says: Sep 11, 2016 11:46 PM

    Aryans says he should have won; shoulda, coulda woulda doesn’t count Bruce. Stay classy.

  35. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:46 PM

    Yoo hoooo Patriot Hater🙂 Talk to me boy. Don’t be shy! How’s that 0-4 thing working out so far?
    🙂

  36. iseek11 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM

    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.

  37. weepingjebus says: Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM

    Like the changing of the seasons, the offseason of trolls gives way to the regular season of truths. The Patriots already lead the division, and by this Thursday either the Bills or Jets will be 0-2. Given the negative karma certain of their Deflategate jockeys here have built up, I am going with the … Bills. Let use know how that basement floor tastes.

  38. foxboroempire says: Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM

    NEVER underestimate the Patriots.

    Cry haters cry your tears are what keeps us strong.

  39. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM

    Arizona played a really good game. Could easily have gone the other way.

  40. noahpft says: Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM

    If you watched that game and came away with any conclusion other than the Patriots are the best team in the NFL, you are absolutely delusional.

    On the road, against a great team, with no Brady, with no Gronk, without either of our starting tackles, we pulled it off.

    If you’re a Cardinals fan, you can’t make a single excuse. You got your butts whooped by an undermanned team at home, with the refs on your side. If the refs don’t make some of those calls, like the “hold” on Marty B, that game is a blowout.

    Everything went the Cardinals way, and it still wasn’t enough. The Pats will now go on to win 3 straight home games, before TB12 comes back and completely destroys the league. Have fun, NFL.

  41. alan226 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM

    Next 3 games at the razor. Bye Bye AFC east….

  42. stipez says: Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM

    Pats made me forget I dropped $31 on King Richard’s Faire today

  43. chesswhileyouplaycheckers says: Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM

    Nineteen troll free posts, hmmm. How can that be?
    0-4 start? Where are you ladies?
    Somewhere out there in troll land the patsonia has to reaching close to epic proportions and all I can think of to help them out is to queue up the Nelson laugh from the Simpsons and invite them to have themselves a real nice day

  44. scw1993 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM

    Chippy is in his nighty-nights, hiding under the bed, crying.

  45. helicopterpilot13 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM

    I don’t understand the headlines for this post. What did the Pats QB “recover” from? He played lights out the entire game.

  46. varangia says: Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM

    A truly amazing football team. I’m a Rams fan but have to acknowledge true greatness.

  47. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM

    Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trip


    Brock Osweiler says hi.
    🙂

    #ThatDogDontHuntAnymoreChief

  48. number1hawkfan says: Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM

    Thank you Patriots from a hawks fan. You owed us one for us not running the ball two years ago and we need to win our division to get back to the super bowl and get that taste out our mouths. Us fans didn’t call the play so thank you.

  49. Troll Destroyer says: Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM
    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.

    ——

    Are you huffing glue?

  50. Della Street says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    grogansheroes says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM
    Well, after one week the Pats are in first place. It’s a game I didn’t expect them to win. Thought the defense is capable of more than they showed tonight. But you lose the turnover battle, on the road, to a team coming off the NFC championship game. Jimmy G indeed looks like the second best QB in the division. Isn’t it a pleasure to watch Fitz? Glad he’s not in our division.

    ________

    I agree. Fitzgerald is one player I always wanted to see in a Patriots uniform. An all-time great receiver stuck in AZ.

  51. pats14 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    Yo, where the haters at?

  52. Patskrieg says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    Nice little football game. Glad that worked out like everyone knew it would.

  53. edelmanfanclub says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    GOAToppolo pulls it off. Im not shocked

  54. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    Jimmy, Tommy, doesn’t matter, the team wins regardless… the system is in place and the surrounding personnel is there. System. We’ve been trying to tell it to Patsie fans for years.

    System.

    Brady’s simply an overrated cog in the big wheel. Jimmy’s QBR will be excellent, and he did it without the benefit of the Gronkster.

    That’s why it was so laughable when Patsie fans all cried about how they would’ve won it all had they had Tommy back in ’08. (You won plenty of games with that other guy that year.) Tonight just proves it again, just HOW laughable that pipe dream is.

    No doubt Tommy is sitting at home stunned and disappointed he’s been exposed now.

    System!

  55. nufcedmcgreevey says: Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM

    Hey Carson, you don’t know anything about deflate gate and claim if you get busted you have to do the time. Well tb12 is doing his time and his backup just beat you loser. Always a loser and forever a loser. You sk in big games forever. You should be kneeling at the feet of the goat instead of mocking him.

  56. bigbear331313 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:52 PM

    Trolls Lose Again!

  57. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Sep 11, 2016 11:52 PM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM

    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.
    ———————————————————-

    Sleep well.

  58. Troll Destroyer says: Sep 11, 2016 11:52 PM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM
    Arizona played a really good game. Could easily have gone the other way.

    —-

    But it didn’t

  59. carltonsaves says: Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM

    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.

  60. daytontriangles says: Sep 11, 2016 11:54 PM

    No Brady, no Gronk, no problem!

    And thanks to the Patriot’s three biggest supporters, the Bills, Dolphins and Jets, the Patriots are alone at the top of the the AFC East!

  61. somepeopleneedtogetalife says: Sep 11, 2016 11:54 PM

    No Brady No Gronk but even worse no OTs two rookies at guard.

    How the hell did they do it? Awesome game Great win against a great team on the road. Wow

  62. docsmith54 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:54 PM

    Patriot-ic karma on 9/11. It is great being a Pats fan in NY these past few years.

    Cardinals didn’t execute at the end – like the Panthers.

  63. alcondragonblog says: Sep 11, 2016 11:55 PM

    What is this?
    I come here to read the negativity and the slanderous hatred for the New England Patriots and all I read are praise and good thoughts!
    Well now, this just goes to prove once and for all not only are the Patriots the best team, but they have the best fans.
    P.S….I just burned down my home in Miami and I’m heading to live in a condo in Boston!
    Hey, I’m just tired of losers!
    Wooohooo!

  64. xxsweepthelegxx says: Sep 11, 2016 11:55 PM

    trailerparkking says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:45 PM
    Once a Bungal always a Bungal, Carson.
    How about that phantom roughing the passer flag on third down?
    #soft
    ——-
    How about that “holding” call against Bemmet to extend AZ drive?
    #soft
    #badcallshappen
    #gocrysomemore

  65. mheader says: Sep 11, 2016 11:56 PM

    Larry Fitzgerald deserves better. Poor guy will never win in Arizona.,

    Carson Palmer? Pretty much a loser. Makes a lot of money, but never wins.

  66. alan226 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:56 PM

    Well Haters, we know they ain’t going 0-4…

  67. nufcedmcgreevey says: Sep 11, 2016 11:56 PM

    Carlton, was it the fumbles you were going to crow about, was it communication, cameras, psi, you have nothing for feller tomorrow now go away

  68. stairwayto7 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:57 PM

    He missed the kick! Not that garoapallo won it.

  69. rollsieboys says: Sep 11, 2016 11:57 PM

    hi roger!

  70. flash1287 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:58 PM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM
    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.

    You knew you would get this stupid comment.

    Tell us genius, how is it that all these players and former players, current and former coaches all call Brady the greates if not one of the greatest but you have him has “overrated” , “average”. How is it you have it all figured out and they are all wrong

    And you left out the part about manning aka MEGA head going to a LOADED Denver team.

    And NO he Did NOT have the “most wins of the 2000s”

    That record belongs to Brady, by a large margin.

    We know this because they showed the stat on the game tonight.

    Another jealous CRYBABY talk when he doesn’t have a clue.

  71. dodgerlakerfan1969 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:58 PM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM
    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.

    You mean the same Manning that had to get carried to the Super Bowls in 2006 and 2015 by his defense? The same Manning that had to have his back up win 5 games to get him to the playoffs last year ? The same Manning that had the worst Super Bowl performance for any winning QB ever last year.? The same Manning that has a record 9 one and dones? The same Manning that got embrassed in the most pathetic Super Bowl we have watched in the last 20 years? That Manning? Lol. Yea ok

  72. iseek11 says: Sep 11, 2016 11:59 PM

    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:50 PM
    Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trip


    Brock Osweiler says hi.
    🙂

    #ThatDogDontHuntAnymoreChief
    _______________

    Who? Oh that fill in guy our defense helped get a huge payday. Yeah I suppose you would remember him. He had two good halfs in his 7 games and one of them was against your boys. Perhaps you also remember Peyton a few weeks later. Same result.

  73. chicagobtech says: Sep 11, 2016 11:59 PM

    “We” did this, “we” did that. Please, gentlemen, rather than hide behind screen names you should proudly proclaim either your jersey numbers and/or your name. That way we can congratulate you for your on-field accomplishments.

  74. flash1287 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:00 AM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.

    It’s amazing how the crybabies troll every Patriots article crying about something.

    Sorry the Patriots don’t win the SB every year. It’s nice to know you have such high expectations for them.

    Has the team you root for been to 6 SB in the last 15 years? NO
    Has the team you root for won 4 SB in the last 15 years ? NO

  75. unbreakable02215 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:04 AM

    They’re gonna go 4-0 with Brady suspended HAHAHAHAHA.

  76. thebirdofprey says: Sep 12, 2016 12:04 AM

    Anyone watching Cardinals could see they were at risk of losing this game. Their fans made excuses for Palmer last year playoffs and terrible pre-season.

    Bruce Arians was out coached at home by a team missing offensive tackles, best offensive weapon and franchise QB.

  77. nfl1818 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:05 AM

    tough night for Roger – no Brady and the refs in his pocket

    back to the drawing board for the league office

  78. pixelprola says: Sep 12, 2016 12:05 AM

    Great Pats team win. You can bet that Blount is going to run a ton of ball security drills in upcoming practice. Ultimate respect to Larry Fitzgerald, they nearly won because of his effort. Incredible catches and clutch all the way. What a pleasure to watch him play. Go Pats!

  79. flash1287 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:06 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM
    Jimmy, Tommy, doesn’t matter, the team wins regardless… the system is in place and the surrounding personnel is there. System. We’ve been trying to tell it to Patsie fans for years.

    System.

    Brady’s simply an overrated cog in the big wheel. Jimmy’s QBR will be excellent, and he did it without the benefit of the Gronkster.

    That’s why it was so laughable when Patsie fans all cried about how they would’ve won it all had they had Tommy back in ’08. (You won plenty of games with that other guy that year.) Tonight just proves it again, just HOW laughable that pipe dream is.

    No doubt Tommy is sitting at home stunned and disappointed he’s been exposed now.

    System!

    Then answer this crybaby.

    If it’s just the “system” then why did they trade Cassle and keep Brady?

    Cassle is younger, cheaper and wasn’t coming off major knee surgery.

    I guess based on your stupi logic Joe Montana was a “system QB too.

    After all he played in the west coast “system”
    And after they traded him Young (who sucked in tampa) stepped in and won a SB.

    #justanitherjealouscrybaby

  80. tylawspick6 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:06 AM

    laughing how the pats are the only team attacked on a daily basis, and then when it comes to pay by the haters, they get all angry and say dumb things. Look at this person above.

    What”s “amusing” is the idea that

    bawwhhaa

  81. nflfan1 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:06 AM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.
    ———————————————————————————
    You do realize the Patriots won a SUPER BOWL 2 seasons ago, right?

  82. nfl1818 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:06 AM

    In the first quarter, Edelman caught a pass headed out of bounds, but lowered his shoulder just before impact with the unsuspecting adult ballboy. It would have been a solid shot on another player, and some degree of contact may have been hard to avoid.
    **************
    seriously ? that all you got ?

  83. flaccounibrow says: Sep 12, 2016 12:11 AM

    Edelman is a punk. I’d target him if I was a DB

  84. summerfieldattafthill says: Sep 12, 2016 12:12 AM

    I thought the Cards were huuuuge favorites? Palmer maybe next time you’re asked about Brady you should just keep your mouth shut. Palmer, you couldn’t even beat Brady’s backup.

  85. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:13 AM

    bawston1 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:46 PM
    Without starting + goat QB
    ——————————-

    I don’t think you get it, just like all the other Patsie fans crowing “where the haters now?” Tonight is your worst nightmare if you think about it, because it shows what a MYTH this whole “GOAT” idea is. Of course we’re going to show up on this GLORIOUS night.

    Tonight another QB stepped in, ran the system just like the uh, “GOAT” and will end up with the same high QBR and the win. Tonight Tom Brady was exposed for being the system QB he truly is.
    In fact the whole Patriots dynasty run was never really about the QB (except for the Super Bowl vs. Carolina)… if you bother to look at reality.

    You go, Jimmy!

    Tommy Brady, the NON-GOAT. Oh what a glorious night!

  86. justsayin70 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:13 AM

    East coast fans showing the rest of us “haters” why people hate the east coast.

  87. headwoundharry says: Sep 12, 2016 12:14 AM

    Wow! Cheat Nation acts like they just won SB 51 by winning their opener against an over rated team. Act like you’ve been there before. You have. Denver is laughing!

  88. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:15 AM

    stipez says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:43 PM
    See Brady’s just a system quarterback…
    with 4 Superbowls.
    ———————————–

    Yep, pretty much.

    btw in case you forgot, Flacco’s got a ring, too.

  89. celticsforever says: Sep 12, 2016 12:17 AM

    The troll narrative has now moved to “Brady is nothing more than a system qb”. If anything else, you pathetic people give me a good chuckle.

    A system qb might get to one Superbowl, maybe. Not 6. Troll on trolls.

  90. 1historian says: Sep 12, 2016 12:19 AM

    MDMAHONEY88 – How pissed is the rest of the country right now?

    Who cares?

  91. Della Street says: Sep 12, 2016 12:20 AM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.

    __________

    Except for, you know, when they win the SB. And it’s not like the Pats haven’t made the AFCCG for the last FIVE years. Yeah, they suck.

    Loser.

  92. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:22 AM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM
    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.
    ———————————————

    Agree with everything you said about overrated Brady, but you’re really smoking the weed with Manning if you think they won that ring last year because of him. Nice revisionist history when in fact they got to the postseason and won a playoff game with Tebow. “Marginal” with THAT defense? Btw what’s Denver’s record without the Sherrif? Any trouble winning without him?

  93. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Sep 12, 2016 12:23 AM

    Where are “Belichick can’t win without Brady” wingnuts? The Patriots can win with a high school QB starting. Belichick and Mr. Kraft are the GOAT.

  94. boytrin says: Sep 12, 2016 12:29 AM

    Wow 2 rookie guards 2 back up tackles no Brady no Gronk 2 turnovers on the road against Arizona and still won WOW

  95. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:31 AM

    chesswhileyouplaycheckers says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM
    Nineteen troll free posts, hmmm. How can that be?
    0-4 start? Where are you ladies?
    Somewhere out there in troll land the patsonia has to reaching close to epic proportions and all I can think of to help them out is to queue up the Nelson laugh from the Simpsons and invite them to have themselves a real nice day
    —————————————-

    Au contraire, there’s never been a better time to show than tonight, with the exposing of the myth of the so-called “GOAT”… Oh how glorious to see Jimmy do the same thing, same result! No difference.

    You think the “trolls” are upset tonight? They’ve got nothing on Tommy “D’oh! I’ve been exposed as a system QB tonight on national TV!” Brady. How’s that for a Simpson reference?

  96. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:32 AM

    Tommy Who?

  97. bullcharger says: Sep 12, 2016 12:32 AM

    Patriots 1-0
    Bills 0-1
    Fins 0-1
    Jets 0-1

    That day beat all my expectations and then some.

    And the best part is that before the Patriots play Miami next Sunday either the Jets or the Bills will be 0-2. Beautiful.

  98. havok82 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:32 AM

    Solid win. Even with a couple turnovers, a bunch of starters out with injuries, and couple crippling and awful calls, they still win.

    That’s a good Arizona team and I am happy the Pats came out with the win. These next three will be big games, too.

  99. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:37 AM

    nufcedmcgreevey says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM
    What is it now haters? Was it the cameras, ball psi? You haters have nothing! No tb12, no gronk and we still win. Haters hate, patriots win!
    ————————————————–

    Why no, it’s simply that the Patsies can win with any ol’ QB in their system, and tonight Tom Brady has been exposed as just another system QB. Patriots win, indeed! Whether with Jimmy, or any ol’ Tommy, Dicky or Harry.

  100. rootpain says: Sep 12, 2016 12:38 AM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.
    ==========================
    Might not have left with a ring. But left high enough in the ranks that the 31 other owners didn’t have the moxie to tell Goodell to back off of his parity attempt by suspending Brady. And you can bet that all 31 of those owners had a huge lump in their throat when the final seconds clicked off and saw that even that ploy wasn’t good enough. But you can bet that the air is blue in the Goodell household tonight. Oh to be a fly on the wall!

  101. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:41 AM

    edelmanfanclub says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM
    GOAToppolo pulls it off. I’m not shocked
    ———————————————-

    Nor are we. In the Patriots system, any QB can be the “GOAT.”

  102. justsayin70 says: Sep 12, 2016 12:42 AM

    By the over-the-top remarks by patriots fans, one would think they won the Super Bowl already after game 1.

  103. ampatsisahypocrite says: Sep 12, 2016 12:47 AM

    noahpft says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:48 PM
    If you watched that game and came away with any conclusion other than the Patriots are the best team in the NFL, you are absolutely delusional.

    On the road, against a great team, with no Brady, with no Gronk, without either of our starting tackles, we pulled it off.
    —————————————————

    Yeah, the Patsies were a gift bad snap away from losing, and we’re all “delusional” if we don’t crown them already.

    And if Brady’s so great, then why doesn’t the team’s performance drop off a cliff in his absence? How is it some no-name can step in and pretty much nothing changes? And like you said, he didn’t even have Gronk or the starting tackles, like the “GOAT” normally does.

    It’ll be fun watching you all squirm and try to answer THAT one…

  104. filthymcnastyog says: Sep 12, 2016 12:49 AM

    And the Patriots continue to play chess while everybody else plays checkers

  105. m8gaman says: Sep 12, 2016 12:49 AM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:47 PM
    Best coach in the league. He could win with anybody. I’ve often said Brady is overrated. He brnefits from being with one team, one offense, and especially one coach his whole career. Put Brady on another team and he’s an average qb and his whining to the refs and screaming at his teammates doesn’t look so palatable. Peyton Manning took one team from 3-13 to 2 Super Bowls and the most wins of the 2000s. Then he went to a marginal Broncos team and immediately turn them into contenders leading the NFL in wins over the 4 years he was there and another 2 Super Bowl trips. No way Brady could do that. Without Belicheat, Brady is nothing.
    —————————-
    Seriously?
    First of all, nobody throws their receivers and lineman under the bus like Pey-Pey. Secondly, nobody has more wins than GOAT Tom Brady, not the Broncos, not Peyton Manning, not the Steelers, NOBODY. Most wins of the 2000s? Pats have the best win loss records of any team since Tom Brady took over. Thirdly, the “marginal Broncos team” was a playoff winning team with Tim Tebow at the helm, that team was stacked long before Egg-head came to town. Without padded dome stats and multiple HOF receivers Peyton is nothing.

  106. pittsburghdamned says: Sep 12, 2016 12:52 AM

    Both teams looked hapless and should be genuinely concerned

  107. Blindsquirrelsfindnuts says: Sep 12, 2016 12:56 AM

    pez says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:49 PM
    Pats made me forget I dropped $31 on King Richard’s Faire today

    61 1
    Report comment

    ————-

    I laughed for a solid minute.

  108. haliganhooligan says: Sep 12, 2016 12:56 AM

    Proves yet again that its the system and not the qb. Maybe thats why tommy cheats so much? No to stay ahead of the other teams, but to keep his job from the cheaper option at qb that can do just as good, if not better than tommy.

    Patriots fans prove once again they are the most insecure fan base in the league with all the nob slobbing posts for NE.

    Preach all day, doesnt matter. Your team has been caught cheating several times and no matter what you say 98% of the league and fans will always see it that way. Enjoy your blissfull ignorance. Go to a bar and talk about how great your cheating team is with other idiots and then go home and watch tommys greatest hits on dvd and touch yourselves. Worst fan base in pro sports history (est. 2001)

  109. czello says: Sep 12, 2016 1:00 AM

    Brady would be in the league maybe 4 years if he took the hits Cam has to take.

  110. m8gaman says: Sep 12, 2016 1:03 AM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.
    ——————
    Does anyone remember what happened at the end of SB 49? Does anyone remember how many TD’s Tom Brady threw in that victory? Nuff said

  111. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:04 AM

    Looks like the patriots have their post Brady plan locked and loaded.

  112. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:09 AM

    And I can’t name any other team that would start an entirely new offensive line, no hall of fame quarterback or tight end, and still win..? On the road?

    Wow. This one is up there in top wins in the Patriots era.

  113. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:15 AM

    I think Arizona is one of those teams that could be quickly figured out and implode. Something about Carson Palmer just spells disaster waiting to happen. He just doesn’t have that killer instinct that separates the greats from the goods.

  114. mlander12 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:16 AM

    Gonna give all the respect to Belichick, that man can coach. I hope Wilson isn’t seriously injured and we meet up again in the super bowl against Gronk and Brady. We Hawk fans want a rematch with everyone at full strength.

  115. tylawsprick says: Sep 12, 2016 1:16 AM

    Won on a bad snap. Yeah, they dominated all right.

  116. hexy27 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:18 AM

    Deflategate Revenge came via Malcolm Butler.
    This is all just continued dominance.

  117. patsrthegreatest says: Sep 12, 2016 1:21 AM

    It’s more amazing how much sh– haters talk especially when you consider how much crow they choke down week in & week out

  118. fanasaurus says: Sep 12, 2016 1:22 AM

    “The early lean on the run was clearly part of the plan, and it set up the kind of play action that made him comfortable. But not pushing the issue before the end of the first half was the kind of conservative play they clearly wouldn’t have made with Brady.”

    I stopped reading at that statement. This is obviously the opinion of someone who doesn’t watch much Patriot football. This is the exact type of game plan that I’ve seen the Pats run on many occasions with Brady at the helm for years.

  119. ozone1030 says: Sep 12, 2016 1:28 AM

    I’d hate to be the spouse of one of those Patriot hating cheater chanters. They’re going to have to listen to a lot of complaining this week.

  120. iseek11 says: Sep 12, 2016 3:59 AM

    You mean the same Manning that had to get carried to the Super Bowls in 2006 and 2015 by his defense? The same Manning that had to have his back up win 5 games to get him to the playoffs last year ? The same Manning that had the worst Super Bowl performance for any winning QB ever last year.? The same Manning that has a record 9 one and dones? The same Manning that got embrassed in the most pathetic Super Bowl we have watched in the last 20 years? That Manning? Lol. Yea ok
    ____________

    So is it teams who win and lose games or quarterbacks? Because Peyton Manning is 2-1 in Championship games against Brady. That Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning owns every meaningful quarterback record for season and career. Did the defense carry him to those? And of course the defense didn’t play any role in Brady’s Super Bowls either did they. Nope, just Tammy. Maybe if Brady plays another 10 years he might catch some of Peytons positional records. But only if Belicheat is his coach. Heck, Belicheat might even get him another ring or two. Of course, no matter how long Brady plays Denver will always be the only team he has a losing record against.

  121. patpatriot7 says: Sep 12, 2016 6:39 AM

    Commissioner Goodall (aka Commandant Klink), this ones for YOU!!!

  122. Mo Pro Babble says: Sep 12, 2016 6:40 AM

    stairwayto7 says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:57 PM

    He missed the kick! Not that garoapallo won it

    Manning won last year because Gostkowski missed a FG

  123. Mo Pro Babble says: Sep 12, 2016 6:45 AM

    chicagobtech says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:59 PM

    “We” did this, “we” did that. Please, gentlemen, rather than hide behind screen names you should proudly proclaim either your jersey numbers and/or your name. That way we can congratulate you for your on-field accomplishments

    The last refuge if trolls, complain about a fan’s use of pronouns after your nonsensical ranting proves you’re clueless.

  124. matiberio says: Sep 12, 2016 6:46 AM

    I must admit, this is so sweet. Perhaps next time Carson will keep his pie hole shut.

  125. rcosborne59 says: Sep 12, 2016 6:46 AM

    To all the other AFC teams who thought they might get the upper hand on Patriots with Brady out too bad. The Patriots won and you all lost. And oh yeah it was without Gronk as well. And too the Ginger Hammer and his minions hope you choke on your ruling as it won’t even slow down the Patriots. In fact Tom Brady will be fresh and motivated when he comes back which is a positive. All the other haters can go suck an egg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  126. fatsolio says: Sep 12, 2016 7:18 AM

    Why does this writer keep saying he wasn’t Brady, acting as though he had a mediocre game and that Brady would have thrown for 900 yards and 14 TDs? Brady hardly ever has better games than this when he’s had Gronk out.

    So the Patriots are now 12-5 in the Brady era when Tom has been out. How long before the Brady diehards and the media actually start to give Bill and the coaching staff credit and realize that while Tom is great, he’s benefited from being on a team and a system that keeps winning without him (unlike many other elite QBs) and if it was “all him” like the diehards imply, the team would tank without him, not go 12-5.

    Cowboys have stunk without Romo
    Packers have stunk without Rodgers
    Colts stunk without Manning in 2011
    Patriots go 12-5 without Brady

  127. proudchowdahead13 says: Sep 12, 2016 7:37 AM

    Any other plans Goodell?

  128. exinsidetrader says: Sep 12, 2016 7:46 AM

    The “hair” apparent to Brady or either one gets traded for a first round pick.

    Also, Pats’ coaching finds a way to win and Cowboys’ coaching finds a way to lose. Typical Sunday.

  129. Mo Pro Babble says: Sep 12, 2016 7:50 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:51 PM
    Jimmy, Tommy, doesn’t matter, the team wins regardless… the system is in place and the surrounding personnel is there. System. We’ve been trying to tell it to Patsie fans for years.

    System.

    Brady’s simply an overrated cog in the big wheel. Jimmy’s QBR will be excellent, and he did it without the benefit of the Gronkster.

    That’s why it was so laughable when Patsie fans all cried about how they would’ve won it all had they had Tommy back in ’08. (You won plenty of games with that other guy that year.) Tonight just proves it again, just HOW laughable that pipe dream is.

    No doubt Tommy is sitting at home stunned and disappointed he’s been exposed now.

    System!

    Nothing more enjoyable on Monday morning that desperate haters attempting to cover their previous pointless predictions.

    It’s Brady, no it’s BB, no it the SYSTEM!

    Whatever it is, it’s better here than where you are.

  130. spillertime21 says: Sep 12, 2016 8:07 AM

    I’ve never seen a fan base talk so muc trash over a game that ended w a bad snap and missed FG

  131. superpatriotsfan says: Sep 12, 2016 8:15 AM

    Funny how Pats homers brag about a missed fg won them the game then turn around and complain about the helmet catch “lost them the SB”

  132. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 8:18 AM

    Who? Oh that fill in guy our defense helped get a huge payday. Yeah I suppose you would remember him. He had two good halfs in his 7 games and one of them was against your boys. Perhaps you also remember Peyton a few weeks later. Same result.


    Exactly🙂 The fill in guy as you call him -proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was never Peyton… it was all the system that won games for the Broncos.

    Looks like Peyton was never all that after all. Huh.

  133. keywestallyear says: Sep 12, 2016 8:21 AM

    No Brady. No Gronk. No Lewis. Two Backup Offensive Tackles. Two Rookie Offensive Guards. An Undrafted Rookie Center. On The Road In PrimeTime Against A Trendy NFC Superbowl Contender. The Pats Aren’t My Team……….But They Are Unreal. Brady Misses Three More Games, All Home Games, Two Against Division Opponents. Dolphins/Bills/Jets…….Don’t Blow Your Shot To Jump On Them While God Is Sitting……..Because He Will Be A Man Possessed When He Comes Back. What A Machine!!!!

  134. keywestallyear says: Sep 12, 2016 8:24 AM

    chicagobtech says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:59 PM

    “We” did this, “we” did that. Please, gentlemen, rather than hide behind screen names you should proudly proclaim either your jersey numbers and/or your name. That way we can congratulate you for your on-field accomplishments.

    —————————————————————
    It’s a shame that you have no concept of what it is to be a fan, to root for a team that is the a part of the fabric of your community. Jealousy is no way to go through life my son!!

  135. jjackwagon says: Sep 12, 2016 8:33 AM

    Cardinals at home, your opponent is missing their starting QB & starting TE and you still can’t win? Shame on you!
    And you call yourselves a contender? Laughable!!

  136. richardernsberger says: Sep 12, 2016 8:39 AM

    No one is better at throwing 4-6 yard completions consistently than the Pats. They can nickle-and-dime like no one else; that has been Brady’s forte for years. Even so, Cards choked the game away with a bad snap.

  137. dabillshateme says: Sep 12, 2016 8:49 AM

    After the game last night, I was thinking I could actually like this team. But then I read these comments from the obnoxious fans and I realize the people who live in 617 make impossible to like this team. Hey Bostonians – just because your team is great doesn’t mean that YOU are not a loser.

  138. lukedunphysscienceproject says: Sep 12, 2016 8:49 AM

    I am beginning to sense a theme here. First, Trevor Siemian completes 70% of his passes and beats one of the best defenses in the league, and the next day in your Wrap Up you ask if it’s time to “pull the plug” on the Trevor Siemian “experiment”.

    Today you post a Wrap Up critical of Jimmy Garappolo, who completed 67% of his passes with two TDs and also beat a pretty good defense (in addition to also being pretty harsh towards Carson Palmer, who also had a well above average game).

    Two first time starters posting good numbers and getting wins against very good teams in prime time, and you post negative-leaning reviews of both? Maybe you should wait a few hours until you’ve sweated some of the booze out of your system before you write these articles.

  139. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 8:49 AM

    5. The hit of the night might have belonged to Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman.

    Unfortunately, some poor equipment attendant on the Cardinals sideline was the one to pay the price.

    In the first quarter, Edelman caught a pass headed out of bounds, but lowered his shoulder just before impact with the unsuspecting adult ballboy. It would have been a solid shot on another player, and some degree of contact may have been hard to avoid.

    But it still looked odd, and unnecessarily aggressive.

    Maybe next time he’ll try to move out of the way when a padded NFL player is headed in his direction and there’s a chance of a collision.

    He didn’t and got jacked up. Lesson learned.

    And it’s not like Edelman launched himself at the guy he clearly attempted to slow down and collide with him in a way that didn’t hurt as much as it could have.

  140. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 9:08 AM

    Come to think of it I’m glad that guy got trucked by Edelman.

    Youd think teams learned their lesson about how you act on the sideline from tripgate and the stunt Tomlin pulled but I guess not. Maybe next time Edelman should hit him full speed if he wants to stand there like a dummy again… maybe that will send the message.

  141. qbarrel says: Sep 12, 2016 9:09 AM

    Looks like the NFL’s plan to give AFC East opponents a four game head start might not bear any fruit.

  142. 345snarkavenue says: Sep 12, 2016 9:12 AM

    pixelprola says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:05 AM

    Great Pats team win. You can bet that Blount is going to run a ton of ball security drills in upcoming practice. Ultimate respect to Larry Fitzgerald, they nearly won because of his effort. Incredible catches and clutch all the way. What a pleasure to watch him play. Go Pats!
    ———

    exactly what I was thinking. As a Pats fan living in NH, I wish we had got more telecasts of Larry’s games over his career….he’s the type of player you love to watch even if he’s not on ‘your’ team.

  143. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 9:16 AM

    Tee hee🙂 Desperate Patriot Hater is grasping at straws and looking for consolation prizes!🙂

    Classic!
    🙂

  144. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 9:22 AM

    And if Brady’s so great, then why doesn’t the team’s performance drop off a cliff in his absence?

    Probably the same reason the Steelers went 2-2 with the two pro bowlers Dennis Dixon and Charlie Batch when Ben was suspended.
    🙂

  145. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 9:23 AM

    Tee hee🙂 Patriot Hater is so frustrated this morning🙂 I expected their posts to be bitter but I didn’t expect their bitterness to be this hilarious!
    🙂

  146. streetyson says: Sep 12, 2016 9:32 AM

    haliganhooligan says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:56 AM
    Proves yet again that its the system and not the qb. Maybe thats why tommy cheats so much?
    ————————-
    Well, you make no sense, and the same haters always decry Belichick as only having a great record because of Brady, then they say Brady isn’t as good as Montana because it’s a passing league today and then they say Brady can’t throw… But we should go easy on you and all the other trolls because you’re obvioisly embarrassed this morning that you all ended up having to sleep with your mommies after the Sunday night result.

  147. ikeclanton says: Sep 12, 2016 9:40 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:37 AM
    nufcedmcgreevey says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM
    What is it now haters? Was it the cameras, ball psi? You haters have nothing! No tb12, no gronk and we still win. Haters hate, patriots win!
    ————————————————–

    Why no, it’s simply that the Patsies can win with any ol’ QB in their system, and tonight Tom Brady has been exposed as just another system QB. Patriots win, indeed! Whether with Jimmy, or any ol’ Tommy, Dicky or Harry.

    ———–

    It’s simply hilarious reading what non-Patriots fans (don’t worry, I won’t say “haters”) will try to spin when they continually prove how legendarily good they are. You guys twist yourself into the ground coming up with explanations to somehow make yourselves feel better about it and they can be debunked in seconds.

    What is written above is a prime example–as it turns out, apparently anybody can win as a QB in the Pats “system”, right? Why you ask? Well, nobody except Belichick has
    figured out the magical formula, of course. Makes sense. Every other coach in the league is terrible? Don’t give Garoppolo credit, Don’t ever give the best QB in the league (Brady) credit…

    As the warden in Shawshank Redemption once said, “It’s a miracle!”

  148. 345snarkavenue says: Sep 12, 2016 9:45 AM

    the ‘system qb’ argument is about as lame as it gets. Every team has a system; it’s not like every team but the Pats scratch the play in the dirt. Every team has a system.

    Of course I would agree the Pats system is better than most, if not all others. All players have skills that suit them to do certain things. Some have a larger skill set than others. The ‘system’ that utilizes those skills better than others create better chances of success.

    But that success only happens if the player(s) can execute the plan. That includes recognizing what the other team is doing, understanding what the necessary adjustments are and executing those too.

    Some teams utilize a mobile QB…..because those are skills that QB has so that is part of their system. Or are willing to toss the ball up for grabs because they have the receivers that can go up and get it.

    The point is, is that the system creates the opportunity, it doesn’t automatically create the results. the players have to go out and execute it. And that is exactly what Brady has done over his career, with a system that has constantly evolved based on the players they have.

    People make it sound like the Pats have done one thing for the last 15 years on offense. Nothing could be more wrong.

  149. superpatriotsfan says: Sep 12, 2016 9:56 AM

    ITT: Pats homers gloating thinking they just won the SB after week 1.

  150. revelation123 says: Sep 12, 2016 10:02 AM

    The Patriots have always done just fine without Brady.

    Brady gets credited for the Patriots good record, but their record is good even when he doesn’t play.

    He’s not winning those games, the entire Patriots team is.

  151. thenyolive says: Sep 12, 2016 10:10 AM

    Question for the “system qb” “throw anyone in there” chuckleheads. If it’s only the system, then why doesn’t every team employ a system that has netted 6 Superbowls in 15 years?

    Apples to apples, that 08 team was stacked and the coaches protected Cassle with the play calling. Even Tebow won a playoff game with a stacked team.

    Garoppolo’s identifying the blitz and exploiting it was impressive. He kept plays alive with his legs and did just enough for luck to help out (although I wonder how much the oncoming blocker may have affected the kicker, that kick was almost blocked).

    Pats were 9 point underdogs, so please excuse us if we celebrate a 9 point underdog win. It’s been quite a while since we’ve been 9 point underdogs. Don’t like it? Go to your team’s articles.

  152. gosox9876 says: Sep 12, 2016 10:12 AM

    The league is gonna make smelling salts illegal now.

  153. sfdiablo says: Sep 12, 2016 10:12 AM

    Man that would’ve been a better Super Bowl match-up then the dud we got. Great game. Both these teams will be playing deep into January.

  154. black59razorblog says: Sep 12, 2016 10:15 AM

    Well, Arizona is easily the most over-rated team in the NFL, that much we know…

  155. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 10:27 AM

    Alrighty I just saw a replay where Edelman was CLEARLY pushed into the sideline guy by a Cardinals defender. Any questions?🙂

    Nothing to see here folks…move along.

  156. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 10:34 AM

    A system qb might get to one Superbowl, maybe. Not 6. Troll on trolls.

    —-
    Ever notice how the likes of Dilfer, B-Johnson, Rypien and company can get to and even win one Super Bowl… but it’s never more than that?

    Huh. I wonder why.
    🙂

  157. majormalphunktion says: Sep 12, 2016 10:36 AM

    System QB–
    Argh…oh foosssball fans….
    ALL QBs are System QBs. All of them.

    Teams get QB’s that fit the team philosophy.
    Farve and Rogers
    Montana and Young

    Ever wonder why some QB that sucked on one team suddenly looks amazing on another? Did they suddenly become better? Or is it the SYSTEM they are asked to run.

    How about you think about things every QB needs…leadership, some football smarts, accuracy and both mental fortitude and being able to take a beating.
    Tommy has all of that in spades…and the ones that he can hone and make even better he has his whole career.
    So yes, the right kind of QB can be successful in the Pats system…but don’t even think that anyone in the next 20 years is going to come close to Brady in any of the above. The last one that hit on all of them was Montana.

  158. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 10:38 AM

    People make it sound like the Pats have done one thing for the last 15 years on offense. Nothing could be more wrong.


    One of the many great things about Brady is he has played in and excelled in multiple offensive systems. West Coast hybrid early in his career, power running, a vertical game with Moss, a 2+ TE offense, you name it.

    Yet another argument in favor of the GOAT. Among many others.
    🙂

  159. imodan says: Sep 12, 2016 10:44 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:32 AM
    Tommy Who?
    ————————————————————-
    We get it. A dozen posts on this one thread. You hate TB. Guess what? 4 time SB champ, married to Giselle living a charmed life while you post a dozen times about him. Now tell me again why anyone gives two bowel movements what you think about him?

  160. getyourownname says: Sep 12, 2016 10:49 AM

    Cards looked like they thought they had been gifted the game already. And they still should have won making that straightforward FG. But BB does not give away games. You snooze, you lose.

  161. puffnstuff5005 says: Sep 12, 2016 10:51 AM

    Can we please tell sideline reporters to stop asking “What’s going through your mind??” Is that the only question that they ever ask?

  162. nepatriot1 says: Sep 12, 2016 10:52 AM

    dabillshateme says:
    Sep 12, 2016 8:49 AM
    After the game last night, I was thinking I could actually like this team. But then I read these comments from the obnoxious fans and I realize the people who live in 617 make impossible to like this team. Hey Bostonians – just because your team is great doesn’t mean that YOU are not a loser.
    ———————
    Oh no, what a loss for us……..
    This is the price you pay when you troll Patriot articles. Make ridiculous cheating allegations, then tell us how the Patriots are going in the toilet without Brady (they would have won by 30 if he was there), blah…..blah……blah……., but when the Pats win expect you’re going to get it shoved up your tail pipe.

  163. mmack66 says: Sep 12, 2016 11:15 AM

    iseek11 says:
    Sep 12, 2016 3:59 AM

    So is it teams who win and lose games or quarterbacks? Because Peyton Manning is 2-1 in Championship games against Brady. That Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning owns every meaningful quarterback record for season and career. Did the defense carry him to those? And of course the defense didn’t play any role in Brady’s Super Bowls either did they. Nope, just Tammy. Maybe if Brady plays another 10 years he might catch some of Peytons positional records. But only if Belicheat is his coach. Heck, Belicheat might even get him another ring or two. Of course, no matter how long Brady plays Denver will always be the only team he has a losing record against.
    ———————-

    Lol. Brady doesn’t care about a bunch of meaningless “positional” records. He cares about helping his team win Super Bowls.

    Meaningless records are for guys like Marino, that never won a Super Bowl.

  164. rideforjesus says: Sep 12, 2016 11:17 AM

    Deflate this!!!!!

    March to the next super bowl began last night.

  165. lapantherfan86 says: Sep 12, 2016 11:19 AM

    Garoppolo on Palmer: “When you suck at football, you suffer the consequences.”

  166. MichaelEdits says: Sep 12, 2016 11:20 AM

    Jimmy Garoppolo may very well be as good as he looked last night, but then again, this is the same team that made Matt Cassel look like an all-pro. Let’s not anoint the man just yet.

  167. keywestallyear says: Sep 12, 2016 11:28 AM

    imodan says:
    Sep 12, 2016 10:44 AM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:32 AM
    Tommy Who?
    ————————————————————-
    We get it. A dozen posts on this one thread. You hate TB. Guess what? 4 time SB champ, married to Giselle living a charmed life while you post a dozen times about him. Now tell me again why anyone gives two bowel movements what you think about him?

    —————————————————-
    imodan – You are spot on. TB’s life drives this cat insane. 4 time Superbowl Champ. Multiple MVP’s. Looks. Married to the #1 Supermodel of all time. Net Worth approaching a half billion as a couple. This guys jealousy eats him alive………yet imagine had his team drafted TB and won him 4 SB’s. Wow, how the tune would sound different. People, jealousy of what others have and what you don’t, is a terrible way to go through life. You should have worked harder on the sandlots as TB was not blessed with any God given size and athleticism. He just did much more with himself, worked much harder then any of us keyboard warriors did. What was our excuse?? The sound of crickets chirping…………

  168. williamxl22 says: Sep 12, 2016 11:39 AM

    No one gave New England a chance but they showed what great coaching can do. Arizona’ s defense did not look that impressive. Jimmy did great but the drop off from Brady to him is apparent. This would have been a blowout with Brady at the helm.

    Still, kudos to AZ for keeping it close and having a chance to win it at the end.

    Also, nothing like Bennett handling Jones one on one. Having Gronkowski back with Bennett means NE has two dominant blocKing Tight Ends are also dynamic playmakers.

  169. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 12, 2016 12:05 PM

    MichaelEdits says:
    Sep 12, 2016 11:20 AM

    Jimmy Garoppolo may very well be as good as he looked last night, but then again, this is the same team that made Matt Cassel look like an all-pro. Let’s not anoint the man just yet.


    What’s there to anoint? JG did a fantastic job last night, will play 3 more games hopefully at or near the same level, and then take a seat to back up the GOAT after that.
    🙂

  170. whywerule says: Sep 12, 2016 12:12 PM

    williamxl22 says:
    Sep 12, 2016 11:39 AM
    No one gave New England a chance…

    Some of the pregame shows went with the “Belichick always has the Pats prepared schtick,” but no one I saw actually picked the Pats. That surprised me a little, given that Belichick is the Greatest Head Coach of All-Time as well as the Greatest NFL General Manager of All-Time. Sure the Pats were missing Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, but I thought someone would stick their neck out (if someone saw the Pats picked please let me know).

    I am not trying to criticize people for not picking the Pats, I am just surprised no one I saw pulled that trigger.

    Speaking of Belichick’s greatness as a General Manager. Obviously we need more time to see how the Chandler Jones trade works out ultimately, but it was a nice start. I like Jones and I wish him well in the future, and he had a pretty good game for the Cardinals last night, but with the Pats getting contributions from three of the four players that they directly or indirectly ended up with via that trade (Joe Thuney, Malcolm Mitchell, Chris Long), that was a good way to start.

  171. 345snarkavenue says: Sep 12, 2016 12:22 PM

    keywestallyear says:
    Sep 12, 2016 11:28 AM

    imodan – You are spot on. TB’s life drives this cat insane.
    ————-

    the guy can’t stand that there are better QBs than Ben. And he thinks Ben gets the shaft from the media and many fans, much in the same way we think unwilling women have gotten it from Ben.

  172. fireroger says: Sep 12, 2016 12:40 PM

    carltonsaves says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:53 PM
    It’s amusing how Patriot fans talk so much sh… the last couple of years, talking about brady’s revenge tour, then at the end of the year they leave without a ring.
    ====================
    What’s amusing are fans that fail to understand that only one AFC team from last year has the right to tell Pats fans to be quiet. Other than that enjoy the sh.. stew being served.

  173. fireroger says: Sep 12, 2016 12:56 PM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:13 AM
    I don’t think you get it, just like all the other Patsie fans crowing “where the haters now?” Tonight is your worst nightmare if you think about it, because it shows what a MYTH this whole “GOAT” idea is. Of course we’re going to show up on this GLORIOUS night.
    ========================
    Sheesh – the system QB argument again. SMH

    What’s not to get?

    Brady is one of the best to ever run the west coast system. You can certainly argue that system isn’t as good as other systems but you can’t argue Brady isn’t one of the best to ever run the system. Or rather good luck trying.

  174. mellimac says: Sep 12, 2016 1:13 PM

    ChrisCicc says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM

    God I love the Patriots

    —————————————-

    Me too……

    Pats left points on the table…AC were good, had some great plays, especially Fitz and that Johnson dude…
    But geesh, their play calling was deplorable. Three straight passing plays for Palmer?! Several three and outs…His long ball accuracy was horrible.
    Beliman, on other hand, gave Jimmy plays that worked to his strengths.
    And a 47 yard field goal is no gimme, especially one with meaning.

    Nice to see Blount warm up…he’ll get better. Did anyone notice the face to face he had with coach? You could tell Blount was asking for forgiveness for his fumble with his grimace. And Beli gave him a slap…fuget about it!

    Heck, the Pats might even be a better rounded team without Brady. In the past they would put the load on Brady…this game, they asked everyone to carry it, and it worked.

  175. dstroi says: Sep 12, 2016 1:20 PM

    flaccounibrow says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:11 AM
    Edelman is a punk. I’d target him if I was a DB
    ****************************************************
    Well you are a DB. Just not the DB you’re thinking of.

  176. bullcharger says: Sep 12, 2016 1:51 PM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:37 AM
    nufcedmcgreevey says:
    Sep 11, 2016 11:38 PM
    What is it now haters? Was it the cameras, ball psi? You haters have nothing! No tb12, no gronk and we still win. Haters hate, patriots win!
    ————————————————–

    Why no, it’s simply that the Patsies can win with any ol’ QB in their system, and tonight Tom Brady has been exposed as just another system QB. Patriots win, indeed! Whether with Jimmy, or any ol’ Tommy, Dicky or Harry.

    ————–

    A). Winning is all that matters, not who won.
    B). If Jimmy G ends up performing as well as Brady then that would be the greatest thing ever.
    C). The idea that Brady is a system QB that had 50 TDs in one season and went 16-0 in the regular season with some of the most dominating offensive performances ever is just silly. The truth is the Patriots have a great system and Brady is one of the greatest ever. Both are true.

  177. plum54 says: Sep 12, 2016 2:07 PM

    Let’s not forget the Red Sox are in first place! It’s great to be a sports fan in NE. Nine Championships from all the major sports teams the past 15 years! We are blessed!!

  178. Troll Destroyer says: Sep 12, 2016 2:49 PM

    superpatriotsfan says:
    Sep 12, 2016 8:15 AM
    Funny how Pats homers brag about a missed fg won them the game then turn around and complain about the helmet catch “lost them the SB”

    —–

    Funny how you try to equate probably the flukiest catch in the history of the NFL to a guy missing a 47 yd FG.

    I’m guessing your team lost yesterday. I’m guessing they usually lose. Like you.

  179. Troll Destroyer says: Sep 12, 2016 2:54 PM

    czello says:
    Sep 12, 2016 1:00 AM
    Brady would be in the league maybe 4 years if he took the hits Cam has to take.

    —-

    Cam doesn’t “have” to take them. He could stay in the pocket and mostly avoid the rush like Brady.

    He choses to rush and thats typically when he gets hit.

    Cam will break-down eventually – he’s tough but he can’t absorb those hits forever.

  180. billymutt says: Sep 12, 2016 4:11 PM

    dstroi says:
    Sep 12, 2016 1:20 PM

    flaccounibrow says:
    Sep 12, 2016 12:11 AM

    Edelman is a punk. I’d target him if I was a DB
    ****************************************************
    Well you are a DB. Just not the DB you’re thinking of.

    Lol, best comeback today by far – I had a good laugh when I saw this. Well played.

  181. veddermn8 says: Sep 12, 2016 4:54 PM

    superpatriotsfan says:
    Sep 12, 2016 8:15 AM

    Funny how Pats homers brag about a missed fg won them the game then turn around and complain about the helmet catch “lost them the SB”
    …………..

    You just made that up. That was a great catch and the Pats lost. And no one equates a regular season opener with a Super Bowl loss. It doesn’t make sense.

  182. bigbear331313 says: Sep 12, 2016 6:02 PM

    ocgunslinger says:
    Sep 12, 2016 9:02 AM

    OK…..to the haters how did the Patriots cheat? Must be the Belichick Jedi mind control.
    _______________________________________
    TB12’s helmet didn’t have a sticker on it! That’s how!

    How are other teams supposed to compete with puffs of air, warm Gatorade and MISSING STICKERS!

  183. mmack66 says: Sep 12, 2016 7:27 PM

    tylawsprick says:
    Sep 12, 2016 1:16 AM

    Won on a bad snap. Yeah, they dominated all right.
    —————————-

    That’s alright. The dirty, cheating Donkeys won by a missed 50 yard field goal.

  184. ibillwt says: Sep 12, 2016 8:32 PM

    The umteenth example of why we revere the greatest coach in NFL history.

    Remember that SNL skit where Da Bearss fans bet that Ditka could win the Indy 500 in the team bus?

    IN BILL WE TRUST

  185. gallopinghost says: Sep 12, 2016 9:55 PM

    I’m a huge Pats fan but some people need to settle down a bit. We were lucky to win a 50/50 game after they missed a pretty standard FG. I think it was great that they played as well as they did given whom they were playing and whom they were missing but that could easily have still been a L. Gives us some more margin for error though which is great

  186. goldcoast1554 says: Sep 13, 2016 1:00 AM

    It’s a pleasure to watch a professional football game with the Patriots. Turn on most games, like the Rams, who are going to get a billion dollar stadium and 49’s tonight and it’s awful to watch. Outside of 8-10 competitive teams the rest are schedule fillers. It’s always a pleasure to watch this team play in highly competitive games. They rarely disappoint. It’s a different culture, a culture of excellence.

  187. cantarguefacts says: Sep 13, 2016 3:08 AM

    Brady is not a system QB, but he is not the GOAT and that’s proven tie and time again when he misses games. The team is, what, 12-5 without him? Belichick is the greatest coach ever. He has built something and that something produced Brady along the way. People act as if Brady is the reason for this dynasty, and he simply isn’t.
    Brady is a key part of it, of course, but they had one of the greatest defensive units for the first three titles. and built another good defense for their fourth title. it’s a goddamn team sport and defense is the most important part. That’s why Manning’s first ring was won once the Colts D showed up in that playoff run and why Manning was carried to a title last year after carrying his teams through almost every season of his career. Team building. Belichick knows how to do it. Elway knows how to do it.
    Brady has benefited from a great situation and has looked damn good doing it. He’s an all-timer. But he’s not the all-timer. And, let’s be honest…you can’t differentiate Brady from Manning from Montana from Elway from Unitas. It’s a never-ending debate.

  188. veddermn8 says: Sep 13, 2016 3:48 PM

    tylawsprick says:
    Sep 12, 2016 1:16 AM

    Won on a bad snap. Yeah, they dominated all right.

    The hold was great though, so its still on the kicker, who bragged about having a 60 yard range, to make it.

    Pats hardly dominated, but considering how short handed they were, the game went about as well as any Pats fan could have realistically hoped for.

  189. fireroger says: Sep 13, 2016 5:35 PM

    The Pats were 9.5 dogs. It doesn’t matter if they were dominant or not. Just sayin.

  190. swagger52 says: Sep 14, 2016 10:12 AM

    Let the QB controversy begin.

    Brady might get Bledsoed.

  191. 345snarkavenue says: Sep 14, 2016 11:34 AM

    swagger52 says:
    Sep 14, 2016 10:12 AM

    Let the QB controversy begin.

    Brady might get Bledsoed
    ——-

    If Brady gets Bledsoed, then us Pats fans can look forward to another decade+ of success.

  192. guypatsfan says: Sep 16, 2016 9:34 AM

    Anybody that says that Brady is simply a “system” QB (whatever the hell that is) knows nothing about football. Anybody that says that Brady is not the Greatest Of All Time also doesn’t know football. And anybody that calls Brady a cheater also doesn’t know football, or anything else. They are haters, and are jealous of the Patriots and Brady’s success.

    I’m so glad to see that there are far more upvotes here than downvotes. It simply shows that Pats fans know football far more than the haters ever will.

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