Seahawks nailed again for offseason violations, fined and lose pick

AP

The Seahawks were punished for violating offseason rules once before, in 2014.

So when they were caught again, the league dropped the hammer on them. The NFL just announced the Seahawks violated offseason rules prohibiting excessive contact in offseason workings, citing a June 6 OTA practice.

The team was fined $400,000, and will lose a week of OTAs next season, along with their 2017 fifth-round pick. Coach Pete Carroll will also be fined $200,000, and the team will have to pay players for the OTAs which are cancelled next year.

The league cited a portion of the CBA which prohibits live contact.

‘Voluntary off-season workout programs are intended to provide training, teaching and physical conditioning for players,” it reads. “The intensity and tempo of drills should be at a level conducive to learning, with player safety as the highest priority, and not at a level where one player is in a physical contest with another player.”

The decision came after the league and the NFLPA reviewed their practice video.

In 2014, Carroll was fined “at least” $100,000, the Seahawks were fined “more than $200,000,” and the team lost two minicamp days in 2015 for having impermissible contact at offseason workouts.

145 responses to “Seahawks nailed again for offseason violations, fined and lose pick

  1. Dan Graziano notes that recent Seahawks fifth-rounders include Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Luke Willson. So not a nothing punishment.

  2. Wait -no million dollar fine and the sanction of a 1st round pick. Guess the haven’t won enough Super Bowls to garner that much angst from the other cartel members.

  3. Let me ask this: the rules state that tempo should be controlled to keep players safe, so then, given their incredibly high tempo, how many training camp injuries has the team actually accrued? Nowhere near as many as you think. Why? Because you get hurt when you go slow and try to “protect” yourself.

    These restrictions are pretty ridiculous on the whole, but rules are rules, so whatever. I’d bet that all these increased restrictions are actually hurting the league and causing more injuries, especially because of the way it impacts the ability of offensive lineman to learn how to play at the NFL-required level. How many QB and RB injuries have we already incurred through 2 weeks of play? Too many. Don’t have to like the rules, but still have to abide by them.

  4. Well the way some of these teams are looking early they need to practice even if it isn’t in the collective bargaining agreement…for all the money invested in the NFL, these first two weeks have been some garbage. Because teams can’t hit nor practice until training camp and then starters only play in some cases maybe a half and a quarter all pre-season because of the fear of injury, when the season does start we get trash the first couple of weeks, poor tackling, QB’s missing wide open receivers etc.,

  5. This league is really starting to disappoint me. There should have been a false/over-exaggerated tweet within a day of the infraction, so this could fester for months like pus in a boil waiting to be lanced.

    I’m kinda feeling like the league gypped us.

  6. jakehoyt says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:01 PM

    Did they seriously get in trouble for practicing too hard?

    I know right…but this is what you get when the inmates run the joint! Honestly for what I’ve seen these first two weeks they need to practice hard, because what we’ve seen in most games looks like crap.

  7. Yep, can’t have football happening at football practice.

    Anyone who compares this to stealing practice footage, deflating balls, or putting a bounty out is just dumb.

    But yes all teams should abide by the same agreed rules. However don’t make it more than it is trolly mctrolls.

  8. Players are so soft these day.

    What they don’t get is the overall drop in conditioning they have from much lesser OTAs than there used to be is that they get far more injuries once the real games start.

  9. lunar2013 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 1:52 PM

    Where are all the “cheater” comments?

    The article was posted at 1:51. I don’t think you gave it enough time, man.

  10. Take it to the Supreme Court.

    Let’s start a cookie drive to pay the fines.

    And let’s all meet for a 10 man march.

    “Free Practice”.

  11. Somewhere Alan Iverson is shaking his head.

    Not that the Hawks got popped for practicing too hard..

    Just for the idea that ANYONE would practice too hard.

  12. flash1287 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 1:57 PM

    Remember when the “12’s” (stupid) told us the Seahawks were going to be the next “dynasty “?
    ————————

    Maybe they meant a cheating dynasty.

  13. patsrule59 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:00 PM

    Wow, a 5th round pick.

    Goodell really threw the book at them…a comic book
    ————————————
    When you consider what we’ve picked up in the 5th round in recent years….Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, Luke Wilson (some others that play role positions on other teams). Yes it is a pretty big hit.

  14. After watching the offensive line so far this season, Pete and Tom should have practiced a lot more and just accepted whatever fines were levied.

  15. 1.) I wonder after these latest fines and penalties if they’ve learned their lesson?

    2.) It’s certainly not help their game. They’ve just lost to the Rams!

  16. Nothing i find more hillarious than Roger Goodell putting out punishments of fines and draft picks on teams who pay his salary. .he’s gone nuts with power..you are talking about 100’s of thousands of dollars in fines and draft pick on his interpretation of violating the rules. There’s no investigation. .just “yeah..looks like they are breaking the rules. Time to dole out the punishment. .anyone do this before? Ahhhh who cares..bring me my dart board”

  17. Did you see Petey losing his mind yesterday when the refs were (rightfully so) flagging them for all their illegal garbing even the Sherman got away with one. He has been breaking the rules for so long he cant believe it when they are actually enforced.

    Karma cannot be denied dude something funny about it taking place at the LA Colosseum too.

  18. flash1287 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 1:57 PM

    Remember when the “12’s” (stupid) told us the Seahawks were going to be the next “dynasty “?

    ————
    I thought dynasties lasted more than 1 year

  19. Hey, it’s the same rule for everybody and no one can hit early in OTA. Not even supposed to have pads. Better question is that since they practiced harder and hit more than everyone else causing the fine, how come they suck to start the year? 3 FG and 1 TD over 2 games and the TD was a desperation at the end of the game. When you have Miami asking how they blew a 4 point lead with 30 seconds left……………. Guess extra hitting did not translate into better game.

  20. “cheaters suck

    signed – everyone besides patriot and seahawk fans”

    Funny that a Jets fan is saying this since they’ve been repeatedly caught cheating many times the last few years.

    Here’s a newsflash for you. All 32 teams have been caught repeatedly doing naughty things since the league was formed into the modern NFL by the merger.

    Every single team, there is no team that didn’t “cheat” as you put.

    You want to hate the Pats, Seahawks, whoever, that’s fine. But don’t do it from a holier than thou position when your own team has been caught cheating over and over again.

  21. seabrawk12 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:06 PM
    Yep, can’t have football happening at football practice.

    Anyone who compares this to stealing practice footage, deflating balls, or putting a bounty out is just dumb.

    But yes all teams should abide by the same agreed rules. However don’t make it more than it is trolly mctrolls.
    ========================
    It is exactly what it should be. Follow the rules. No matter how trivial. Unless the argument is devolving to grey areas in not following the rules there really is nothing more to say. Welcome to Goodell’s NFL.

  22. jimjets says:

    cheaters suck

    signed – everyone besides patriot and seahawk fans
    =============================

    note to the Jets fan, just because Roger doesn’t fine your team for infractions doesn’t mean they don’t cheat.

    Player Tampering
    Football tampering

    to name a few.

  23. Notice how the Seahawks accepted the punishment without whining, arguing, threatening litigation, etc. Seems some of the others (and their fans) could learn from that.

  24. That is way too harsh when the Jets only got 100K and a talking to for tampering with Revis, who then signed with them days later. Goodell has no idea what he is doing.

  25. I cant imagine how bad the punishment would be if they did something like deflating footballs.

    Wait, yes I can…

  26. seabrawk12 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:06 PM
    Yep, can’t have football happening at football practice.

    Anyone who compares this to stealing practice footage, deflating balls, or putting a bounty out is just dumb.

    But yes all teams should abide by the same agreed rules. However don’t make it more than it is trolly mctrolls.
    ……….

    Its a waaay too harsh punishment. But at the same time, it should be much more than the other things you pointed out because they all were all torn to shreds by common sense, the facts and science.

  27. note to the Jets fan, just because Roger doesn’t fine your team for infractions doesn’t mean they don’t cheat.

    Player Tampering
    Football tampering

    to name a few.


    Tripping 🙂

  28. Wow, to get caught TWICE in 3 years is pretty amazing. Is contact in OTAs really that big a deal where they couldn’t stand to dial it down? Or are do they just clueless?

  29. RegisHawk says:

    Notice how the Seahawks accepted the punishment without whining, arguing…
    ==============================

    perhaps you missed Mr Wonderful jumping up and down on the sidelines when the refs called offensive pas interference.

    took it like a pro, perhaps you should watch the patriots more and watch Bill

    it is what it is

  30. Ain’t so funny when King Roger sets his crosshairs on YOUR team, is it?

    $600,000 in fines. Lost 5th round pick. One less week of practice next offseason.

    All because football players were caught practicing football, during football practice, on one single day, June 6th, this summer.

    Unbelievable.

  31. Pats fan here, and by no means a liker of the Seahawks.

    That’s a ridiculous penalty on Seattle. The Jets got off with something way more egregious with Revis (and even then I didn’t think it warranted much more than a slap on the wrist). Goodell is a total POS. All you haters can laugh, but the power-hungry moron will soon be slamming your team (unless you’re a Jets fan) and then you’ll understand how the rest of us feel.

  32. I’m guessing thwre won’t be a two year campaign to try to justify their cheating.

    —————————————————————————

    I’m guessing if they were innocent they may feel compelled to defend themselves. Wouldn’t you? At what point did vigorously defending yourself against a witch hunt become a bad thing?

  33. For everyone that thinks Pats fans are whiners, you have yet another example of how the league operates from two different positions with regard to discipline – one for the Pats and one for everyone else.

    A common misnomer is that the reason the Pats were so heavily punished is because they are “repeat offenders”. Well then riddle me this: How are the Seahawks NOT “repeat offenders”?

  34. lunar2013 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 1:52 PM
    Where are all the “cheater” comments?
    =============================
    If you’d have waited more than 1 friggin’ minute to comment after this story was posted I’m sure you’d have found plenty of them.

  35. seabrawk12 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:06 PM

    Anyone who compares this to stealing practice footage, deflating balls, or putting a bounty out is just dumb.
    ________________

    What’s dumb is that you think any of those 3 things really happened….

  36. valentino8100 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 1:56 PM
    Wait -no million dollar fine and the sanction of a 1st round pick. Guess the haven’t won enough Super Bowls to garner that much angst from the other cartel members.
    _________________________________________
    Bending the rules in the offseason is very different from cheating in the AFC Championship game

  37. I’m a Panthers fan, so I don’t really care about Seattle. Or New England or any other AFC team not on the Panthers schedule.

    That being said, the NFL “discipline” continues to be very random. I know the Patriots fans are mad that Seattle didn’t get hit harder. But it looks, on the surface, like this is another case of a fly swatter being needed, but the NFL used Gallagher’s Sledge-O-Matic instead.

  38. Talib discharges a weapon in public……nothing

    The Colts pipe in fake crowd noise and failed to disclose Andrew Lucks broken ribs…….nothing

    The Seahawks practice too hard too early……Fine and loss of draft picks!

    This is Der Leader’s NFL people…..

  39. buffalostarwarsfan says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:21 PM
    Big shock – MORE whining from Patriots fans.
    ————————————————————
    Bigger shock- Rex’s Bills 0-2.

  40. “Anyone who compares this to stealing practice footage, deflating balls, or putting a bounty out is just dumb.”
    ________________

    “What’s dumb is that you think any of those 3 things really happened….”

    What’s really dumb is that Pats fans think those things didn’t happen. Everybody else in the free world knows they did.

  41. For all of those mocking the rules, this is an attempt to deal with the concussion problem. If you have any better ideas, rather than the mock let us know what you propose to do about CTE. The quality of players’ lives depend on it.

  42. vikingsdefineaverage said: Bending the rules in the offseason is very different from cheating in the AFC Championship game


    The informed might say:

    bending the rules in the offseason is a whole lot worse than

    being generally aware that someone else might have wanted to cheat in the AFC Championship game, but did not, as proven by 8th grade science.

  43. lol, so lame.

    Lions fan here…no dog in the fight. I feel bad for Seattle and the game of football.

    What will these Millennials ask for in the next CBA? No contact during games? 3 bye weeks and a 14 week season? 1 preseason game with flags, no contact?

    Derp derp derp.

  44. RegisHawk says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:25 PM
    Notice how the Seahawks accepted the punishment without whining, arguing, threatening litigation, etc. Seems some of the others (and their fans) could learn from that.
    ——————————

    Maybe because there was actual undeniable proof. Notice how last time they got caught Carroll said it was a learning experience and they would govern themselves accordingly? Seems he would have learned from that…

    Justify away, but the rest of us will know it for the hypocrisy that it is.

  45. Fact is, Seattle is a darling team of the NFL…it’s not news. The NFL was upset Seattle spoiled the Manning best offensive production ever by a 43-8 loss…everyone saw it…it wasn’t pretty. The league doesn’t treat all teams equal…it’s common knowledge. Whatever.

  46. LOL. I remember when they used to call Wade Phillips work outs “Camp Cupcake”. Looks like the players all want a cupcake workout. Like the church dances where the chaperones want to see 6 inches of distance when dancing. What a joke.

  47. my guess is that the Texans will be the next team that Godell lays the hammer down on.

    Please spare me that they are clean, you don’t have to be dirty to be nailed, just need to be competitive against one of Roger’s favs

  48. Keep in mind that the only “cheat” here was risk on injury to Seattle players. And a very minor risk at that.

  49. scmems07 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:16 PM

    Looks like Pete adopted “The Patriot Way” there is Seattle.
    ——————————-

    Looks more like they adopted “The Raven Way”.

  50. The Seahawks have done more than any team in improving tackling techniques for the safety of its players.I suspect that no players were injured and no players complained. No harm no foul.

  51. Preparation is part of the game as in strategy. I think the NFL should stay out of how a team is run at least as far as practice goes. If the coach wants them to mud wrestle in bikinis to practice then so be it.

    The team that prepares the best usually wins. Let’s see how well teams can prepare.

    I’m mean why are grown men being treated like sissies? If they’re willing to sign up for the work and be paid then have them sign a waiver to cover legal aspects and then let the teams prepare how they see fit.

  52. Punishment seems a little light compared to how the Patriots got screwed. The NFL had evidence that the Seahawks cheated but couldn’t find any evidence that Brady’s balls were deflated so they railroaded and framed him. Seems like there’s a double standard here. It’s okay to take down the mighty Patriots but treat everyone else with kid gloves.

  53. Ravens got nailed again for violating the same offseason role for the 2nd time. However, because the Ravens (along with he Broncos, Colts, and Jets) are allowed to cheat at will, they hardly got a slap on the wrist.

  54. firecracker87 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 3:32 PM

    Preparation is part of the game as in strategy. I think the NFL should stay out of how a team is run at least as far as practice goes. If the coach wants them to mud wrestle in bikinis to practice then so be it.

    The team that prepares the best usually wins. Let’s see how well teams can prepare.

    I’m mean why are grown men being treated like sissies? If they’re willing to sign up for the work and be paid then have them sign a waiver to cover legal aspects and then let the teams prepare how they see fit

    ——–

    it’s in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. if the league/teams want it, they’ll have to negotiate to get it.

  55. “Wow. Pete Carroll is a career cheater… not surprising, probably commenced with his tenure in New England.”
    ===============================
    He was with Rogah’s home city and team before he ever traveled north.

  56. “Ain’t so funny when King Roger sets his crosshairs on YOUR team, is it?

    $600,000 in fines. Lost 5th round pick. One less week of practice next offseason.

    All because football players were caught practicing football, during football practice, on one single day, June 6th, this summer.”

    Welcome to Goodell’s Reich. If you’re not one of his cronies your team gets hammered for the slightest infraction, things that Tagliabue would have laughed at if someone claimed a team was cheating by doing whatever it was.

    “Good for the players that they don’t have to endure this crap in OTA’s. Suspensions for coaches should be next step if it happens again.”

    Really ? Football players shouldn’t have to “endure” playing football ? Go watch synchronized swimming or something like that. Its clear football is far to harsh and violent a game for your sensitivities to handle.

  57. Why is Sean Payton the only coach to get suspended? Belichek after deflategate, where whether you believe the balls made a difference or not, there was a lot more evidence than anything the Saints did or did not do. Now Carroll…it’s a real shame.

    ‘You’re the head coach, ignorance is no excuse.’
    –Rodger Goodell to Sean Payton

  58. So instead of practicing good blocking and tackling technique in the Spring in full gear, the players are all in the weight room getting even bigger, stronger, and faster. The result is poorer blocking and tackling and more severe injuries, and more of them, when these behemoth’s just crash into each other, in unorthodox ways, when the real games start.

  59. Goodell is an idiot…. Practicing too hard gets these guys labeled cheaters??

    We have the balls being deflated naturally, practicing too hard….. What’s next? Gonna fine the Broncos next time it snows?? Egregious field conditions due to weather…. Dock em their first

  60. Why doesn’t Cheat Carroll do what President Richard Nixon did and erase part of the tape that contains the damning evidence. The Sea Hogs are not benefiting from the excessive contact, as many of their players are suffering injuries during preseason, and some of them have to be waived.

  61. The league simply slapped him on the wrist with a monetary fine in the past. I guess a little bit of money was not a deterrent. Taking away draft choices is going to hurt him more and may stop him for violating the rules again.

  62. jimjets says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:19 PM
    cheaters suck

    signed – everyone besides patriot and seahawk fans
    ****************************************************
    I deduce that you’re a Jets fan which is fine but do you really want me to get into your teams infractions over the years or would you like to retract your ridiculous statement?

  63. jimjets says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:19 PM
    cheaters suck

    signed – everyone besides patriot and seahawk fans
    ……

    So tripping a player from the sidelines, tampering with kicking balls, tampering with multiple players on other teams would be evidence that the Jets also fall under what you said. But everyone already knew that.

  64. Seahawks severe punishment again shows Goodell is in the back pocket of Ravens owner Steve Biscotti. Ravens held illegal full pad rookie workouts for years until they were busted in May and only got a fine. Why did they not lose a pick? Why was the Rice investigation so secretive and screwed up? Why wasn’t Suggs disciplined for his domestic incident? Why was the Pats formation strategy made illegal weeks after they used it against the Ravens, and then Ravens used a version of the formation themselves?

  65. RegisHawk says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:25 PM
    Notice how the Seahawks accepted the punishment without whining, arguing, threatening litigation, etc. Seems some of the others (and their fans) could learn from that.
    ====================
    Probably because the NFL wasn’t trying to redefining basic science along the way. Just sayin’

  66. footballgodtb12 says:
    Sep 19, 2016 2:18 PM

    Nothing i find more hillarious than Roger Goodell putting out punishments of fines and draft picks on teams who pay his salary.
    ————————

    That’s part of his job. From who else is he going to fine and steal draft picks?

  67. Screw the league Pete. I WANT a coach looking for an edge and they’re only cracking on you because you’ve been too successful.

    Pay their piss ant fine and hope to see you back in bowl against the Pats.

  68. I’m a Seahawks fan. This doesn’t bother me in the least, and it surprised me to find that it has so many fans in a tizzy and other teams’ fans with so much to say.

    They didn’t take away my money, or deduct $ from the team’s salary cap. I doubt the next 5th rounder would have been the next Richard Sherman or Kam Chancellor. Now we’ll never know anyway. Pete deserved to be fined for passing on the goal line but teams can’t do that. Justice is finally served.

    This “business of the business” stuff bores me to no end. I can’t wait til Sunday.

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