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Andy Reid: Texans’ flop drew key penalty in Chiefs loss

Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill (10) runs around the grasp of Houston Texans linebacker Brennan Scarlett (57) during the second half of an NFL football game Sunday, Sept. 18, 2016, in Houston. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip) AP

Chiefs kickoff returner Tyreek Hill had a 105-yard touchdown called back by a penalty in Sunday’s loss to the Texans, and coach Andy Reid isn’t happy about it.

Reid’s displeasure is not with Kansas City’s Steven Nelson, who was called for the crucial holding penalty, but with the officials and with Houston’s Charles James, who according to Reid flopped to get the officials to throw the flag.

“Tyreek and his return . . . if it was basketball it probably would have been ruled as a flop,” Reid said, via the Kansas City Star.

The NBA has explicit rules against flopping, and players who flop to draw a foul can be fined. There’s nothing like that in the NFL’s rules, but Reid seems to think there should be.

“[James] knew he was outflanked, so he literally flopped,” Reid said. “Nelson put his hands out, put him down and the kid just jumped into his body. Obviously from the officials’ perspective it didn’t look like that.”

Was it just sour grapes from Reid, or does he have a good point? Reviewing the TV replay, it’s hard to tell: James did fall to the ground as Nelson blocked him, but there was no definitive angle that showed whether or not Nelson held James. (It didn’t help that referee Tony Corrente didn’t give a jersey number when announcing the penalty, and so there was confusion about whether the penalty was even called on Nelson at all.)

If the touchdown had counted, the Chiefs would have trailed 19-16 with three minutes left, and Reid would have liked his team’s chances of getting a stop on defense, getting the ball back and scoring again to force overtime or even win the game in regulation. Instead, the Chiefs drove down the field for a field goal but failed to recover the onside kick and lost 19-12.

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40 Responses to “Andy Reid: Texans’ flop drew key penalty in Chiefs loss”
  1. newmancave2016 says: Sep 20, 2016 10:48 AM

    Andy doesn’t typically say this stuff. I’ll definitely take his word on this one.

  2. kcchefs58 says: Sep 20, 2016 10:49 AM

    We didn’t lose the game because of the refs. We couldn’t get into the endzone. The offense had a bad game. Case closed.

  3. joetoronto says: Sep 20, 2016 10:56 AM

    “Tyreek and his return . . . if it was basketball it probably would have been ruled as a flop,” Reid said, via the Kansas City Star.
    *******************************************
    If my Uncle had boobs, he’d be my Aunt.

  4. jjackwagon says: Sep 20, 2016 10:58 AM

    One play did not lose the game. But since the Refs could never say who the penalty was on, I think Andy is right about the flop.

  5. kcflake says: Sep 20, 2016 10:58 AM

    I do think it was a bad call and we should have had that td. We got screwed, but we also screwed ourselves by turning the ball over 5 times and our star corner causing dumb penalties. If we don’t turn the ball over, we win the game plain and simple. The Refs helped the Texans get a win they didn’t deserve.

  6. tonebones says: Sep 20, 2016 10:58 AM

    Andy Reid is perhaps the best offensive coach in the NFL. I wish he’d put some of his energy into developing a QB with a higher ceiling. You can’t rely on special teams and defense all the time (and the refs). Teams that want to stick with guys like Alex Smith and Jay Cutler are kidding themselves.

  7. footballfan825 says: Sep 20, 2016 10:58 AM

    “Some of these guys play basketball”
    -John Madden (Madden football 2001)

  8. brandonj21 says: Sep 20, 2016 10:59 AM

    I have a fresh box of Kleenex for u Andy …

  9. corkspop says: Sep 20, 2016 11:00 AM

    The NFL doesn’t have a “flop rule” and it doesn’t seem like one has ever been needed. I’d hate to see yet another burden on the refs. By all of the replays over the years, it looks they’re already doing a good job in this area. An occasional flop gets by just as an occasional interference or hold gets by.

  10. danbo3330 says: Sep 20, 2016 11:00 AM

    Hey Andy – key non-interference call in the endzone saved you four points as well. Where’s your boo-hoo on that?

  11. bannedfromchoirpractice says: Sep 20, 2016 11:02 AM

    Andy should be more worried about his team drawing STUPID taunting penalties that change field position. That’s why they were behind to begin with.

  12. texgo2003 says: Sep 20, 2016 11:09 AM

    Hopkins had a TD catch that was called a non-catch and a fumble that the Texans got that was called an incomplete pass, which it wasn’t. What’s yall’s point? That refs don’t get it right 100% of the time? STOP THE PRESSES!! It’s part of the game Reid! Quit whining!

  13. patsrule59 says: Sep 20, 2016 11:09 AM

    James must have taken lessons from the Broncos’ wide receiving corps.

    Never seen a team whose receivers go down so easily and who craw so many phantom PI calls.

  14. goattoday says: Sep 20, 2016 11:10 AM

    Andy has a good record against the Texans. On Sunday the Texans were better. He needs to move on.

  15. boltson says: Sep 20, 2016 11:12 AM

    Bad calls and no-calls happen every game. Sometimes you are on the short end of the stick, sometimes the other team is. Get over it Andy. We all have to deal with this.

  16. baldbuc says: Sep 20, 2016 11:14 AM

    I watched the game. You’re just not as good as the Texans. Just move on to the next game.

  17. kcflake says: Sep 20, 2016 11:20 AM

    I watched the game. The Chiefs are just Better than the texans, but gave them 5 turnovers and handed them the game.

  18. kcflake says: Sep 20, 2016 11:21 AM

    The texans are pansies. I hope for a rematch in the playoffs.

  19. citizenstrange says: Sep 20, 2016 11:23 AM

    Poor wittle Andies. The wefs are out to get him. Just like in the Super Bowl.

  20. headwoundharry says: Sep 20, 2016 11:23 AM

    Wow. There’s no crying in the NFL! Have another Whopper Andy and don’t let your kids play with ceiling fans!

  21. primemundo says: Sep 20, 2016 11:31 AM

    “Andy should be more worried about his team drawing STUPID taunting penalties that change field position. That’s why they were behind to begin with.”

    That was a weaksauce penalty for sure!

  22. justafanofnfl says: Sep 20, 2016 11:33 AM

    It happens

  23. kevpft says: Sep 20, 2016 11:35 AM

    tonebones says:
    Sep 20, 2016 10:58 AM
    Andy Reid is perhaps the best offensive coach in the NFL. I wish he’d put some of his energy into developing a QB with a higher ceiling. Teams that want to stick with guys like Alex Smith and Jay Cutler are kidding themselves.

    ==========

    Smith has won two playoff games, and nearly a third (putting up 44 points on the Colts a few years back).

    He was the first Chiefs QB to win a playoff game in 20 years, and when he won his playoff game with the 49ers, it had been 10 years since they last won a playoff game.

    I’m thinking he’s not the problem.

  24. ebdug says: Sep 20, 2016 11:41 AM

    “The NBA has explicit rules against flopping, and players who flop to draw a foul can be fined. There’s nothing like that in the NFL’s rules”

    Of course there is, it’s called Unsportsmanlike Conduct.

  25. mmack666 says: Sep 20, 2016 11:46 AM

    Too much JJ, Clowney, Mercilus and Wilfork for the Chiefs. Five takeaways baby! Texans are just superior.

  26. screamingyellowzonkers says: Sep 20, 2016 11:59 AM

    As if the “flop” is something new to the NFL?

    The Packer’s call plays that are totally designed to show their receiver “Flop” to get a pass interference call.

    Rodger’s: ” the play is pass interference left on two”

    I’d be willing to bet that they practice the “pass interference” play call every week, teaching the receiver how to run into the defender and make the defender look guilty of pass interference, while Rodgers times his pass to coincide with the “flop”.

  27. silvernblackpride says: Sep 20, 2016 12:07 PM

    Andy needs to flop on the big pile of BBQ pork ribs

  28. kcflake says: Sep 20, 2016 12:42 PM

    Too much JJ, Clowney, Mercilus and Wilfork for the Chiefs. Five takeaways baby! Texans are just superior.

    Yeah, Five takeaways, or give aways, rather. Without those and the favorable refs your Texans Lose, meaning they are not superior.

  29. sportschatterdotco says: Sep 20, 2016 12:50 PM

    ebdug says:
    Sep 20, 2016 11:41 AM
    “The NBA has explicit rules against flopping, and players who flop to draw a foul can be fined. There’s nothing like that in the NFL’s rules”

    Of course there is, it’s called Unsportsmanlike Conduct.

    heck it could be “conduct detrimental” now

    4 games

  30. bluenose1965 says: Sep 20, 2016 12:50 PM

    It was a poorly officiated game, but next week those bad calls can go in your favor.

    O’Brien could have come out at his press conference and legitimately questioned the Hopkins TD and catch/fumble that were overturned. It happens.

    I did think the unsportsmanlike conduct on the Chiefs player for wagging his finger was ridiculous.

  31. thetooloftools says: Sep 20, 2016 1:21 PM

    These player / coaches / teams who cry about late game penalties and how they would have done this and could have done that just slay me. You have 55 minuets of football in which you team has done absolutly NOTHING, and then because a call doesn’t go your way it was the difference in the game?
    NO IT WASN’T.
    You team SUCKING for 55 minuets and hoping for a merical sat the end and not getting it was the difference in the game.
    That’s why I LOVE blowouts in any sport.
    Jump on em’
    Stay on em’
    Put your foot on their throats
    Turn out their lights.
    That is the way of Champions.

  32. Mad Chef says: Sep 20, 2016 1:46 PM

    More rules? No thanks. Play the game

  33. texansdude says: Sep 20, 2016 2:21 PM

    No, Andy. Your team flopped. Your whole team and fan base thought they were gonna come to Houston and win 30-0 again. If not for bad officiating, you would have lost by even more. Move on, and maybe you guys get another shot in the playoffs.

    Andy sure can whine for a guy who’s won so much.

  34. tgadler says: Sep 20, 2016 2:22 PM

    Lots of bad or at least very questionable calls in that game. Both teams were hurt by them. Take away all the bad calls and Houston still wins. Reid is a better coach than this. No way he brought that up on his own.

  35. darthobama says: Sep 20, 2016 2:23 PM

    The refs screwed the Texans on 2 catch/no catch plays… One for Dhops to and one on the fumble recovery in the red zone. On the karma scale I think we will call it even and take the victory…

    Plus Andy Reid sucks so there’s that…

  36. motsuret06 says: Sep 20, 2016 2:50 PM

    Andy Reid has done a lot of flopping in his day so he has no right to complain. It is what it is. The Chiefs lost.

  37. foz0606 says: Sep 20, 2016 3:56 PM

    kcflake says:
    Sep 20, 2016 12:42 PM

    Too much JJ, Clowney, Mercilus and Wilfork for the Chiefs. Five takeaways baby! Texans are just superior.

    Yeah, Five takeaways, or give aways, rather. Without those and the favorable refs your Texans Lose, meaning they are not superior.

    ————————

    The salt is strong in this one.

    There was no Brian Hoyer this time around to bail the Chiefs out. Now that the Texans don’t have a dud for a QB, you see the results. Deal with it.

  38. twoteamsforlosangeles says: Sep 20, 2016 4:01 PM

    I guess he’s going to blame the refs for his team’s playoff meltdown against the Colts in the playoffs, too.

  39. slick50ks says: Sep 20, 2016 4:23 PM

    It doesn’t matter. If you can’t beat a team as average as the Texans, you aren’t going to do anything meaningful in the playoffs anyway.

    Alice crapped the bed against a mediocre team. He needs to play against historically terrible defenses like oakland to have success.

  40. mmack666 says: Sep 20, 2016 5:13 PM

    kcflake says:
    Sep 20, 2016 12:42 PM
    Too much JJ, Clowney, Mercilus and Wilfork for the Chiefs. Five takeaways baby! Texans are just superior.

    Yeah, Five takeaways, or give aways, rather. Without those and the favorable refs your Texans Lose, meaning they are not superior.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Giveaways? That’s exactly why KC won the playoff game last season. Mr. Hoyers 5 giveaways.

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