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Puff piece props up the NFL’s scientific hired gun that brought down Tom Brady

GLENDALE, AZ - SEPTEMBER 11:  A New England Patriots fan holds up a sign referencing the four-game suspension of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady during the NFL game between New England and the Arizona Cardinals at University of Phoenix Stadium on September 11, 2016 in Glendale, Arizona. New England won 23-21.  (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) Getty Images

With Tom Brady’s suspension 50-percent complete and #DeflateGate only 120 minutes of clock time away from becoming irrelevant (but for the 2017 fourth-round pick that was forfeited), the company that performed scientific experiments and research that pointed to a finding of tampering with air pressure is speaking out, via a lengthy New York Times article that seems to take great pains to paint Exponent in a positive light.

The article links to, but never expressly mentions, a prior article from the Times that describes Exponent as a hired gun. The prior article points out that Exponent’s past work has included providing a scientific opinion that second-hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer. The latest article never mentions that fact.

Let me repeat that one. A long, exhaustive profile of Exponent by the New York Times fails to mention that the company once opined that second-hand cigarette smoke is not dangerous.

While the latest article creates the impression of balance by pointing to some of the criticisms, the latest article doesn’t give any serious credence to that criticism, allowing Exponent to reiterate largely unchallenged its view that the PSI measurements suggest that someone deliberately removed air from the footballs — even if the Exponent report carefully avoids directly saying that.

The latest Times article fails to point out two of the biggest problems with Exponent’s work in #DeflateGate: (1) the decision to reject referees Walt Anderson’s best recollection regarding which of two conflicting gauges were used to set the air pressure of the Patriots’ balls prior to kickoff; and (2) the reality that the combination of tampering plus the operation of the Ideal Gas Law would have resulted in much lower PSI measurements.

Tampering plus the operation of the Ideal Gas Law would have resulted in numbers closer to the false numbers that the league deliberately leaked in the early days of the scandal, leaked numbers so low that a presumption of cheating arose — along with a general belief that a multi-million-dollar investigation was needed to determine who was responsible for it.

The entire investigation continues to seem like an effort to find evidence to support a predetermined conclusion that the Patriots cheated. And because Exponent routinely provides litigation support to, for example, tobacco companies sued for the hazards of second-hand smoke, it’s fair to regard Exponent’s work not as the product of a truly neutral and dispassionate review of the facts but an effort to give Ted Wells and the NFL what they possibly were paying for: A finding that cheating happened.

Exponent not-so-subtly paints itself as a martyr for reaching the conclusion that cheating occurred. It claims to have lost prospective clients as a result of its findings, and it suggests that, if the findings had pointed to a scientific explanation, there would have been no criticism or notoriety.

“If we had the exact same report and would have said the pressures are explainable, you never would have heard anything about it,” John Pye of Exponent said. “The NFL would have said, ‘Oh, OK, and moved on.’ You wouldn’t have heard about Exponent, you wouldn’t have heard about John Pye, you wouldn’t have heard about all the things that happened from then.”

Baloney. A public report was coming, regardless of the outcome of Exponent’s work. We would have known about Exponent, we would have known about John Pye, and Exponent would have been accused by Patriots haters of getting it wrong by not finding that the team had cheated. Exponent would have lost prospective clients who believed that Exponent simply was trying to cover up cheating.

The biggest difference is that, if it’s true that the investigation began with the ending point in mind, Exponent would have been failing to give its client what its client wanted. Once a company that routinely engages in litigation support acquires that kind of a reputation, it’s going to lose a lot more of its clients.

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145 Responses to “Puff piece props up the NFL’s scientific hired gun that brought down Tom Brady”
  1. mikermiker says: Sep 21, 2016 12:10 PM

    lol brady cheated glad he’s doing time the league is better for it

  2. weepingjebus says: Sep 21, 2016 12:14 PM

    It’s a stark acknowledgement that the trust between fans and the league has been broken by Deflategate and various other stunts. I expect BSPN to run various whitewash articles even as ratings continue to decline. Goodell has never understood that the NFL is a three legged animal — owners, players, fans. It will continue to cost him.

  3. seriously423 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:14 PM

    Can you get 2nd hand hatred for Roger “The Liar”?

  4. scottbrowning2 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:16 PM

    Of course Exponent is losing business. After getting debunked by a massive majority of physicists around the world people need to look closely at their work. Since a close examination reveals selective flaws in procedure that pretty much had to be intentional Exponent can no longer claim any credibility. Without credibility their work as results-for-hire analysts has no value. With no value in their work nobody should be pay for it. Chapter 11 coming right up. How is Ted Wells firm doing?

  5. clevelandrocksyourface says: Sep 21, 2016 12:17 PM

    LoL such a Brady honk.

  6. charger383 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:18 PM

    NFL cheated

    Roger Cheatdell

  7. gotitan says: Sep 21, 2016 12:18 PM

    Not a hater. But tired of this and those fans.

  8. thescooterscore says: Sep 21, 2016 12:18 PM

    these people also confirmed the ‘single-bullet theory’ re: the jfk assassination; their assessment of anything related to physics is invalid.

  9. graylingskies says: Sep 21, 2016 12:20 PM

    I agree the league is better for it. Now that everyone knows how underhanded the people put in charge of maintaining the integrity of the league are, players will think twice about signing off on the next CBA.

  10. lgw91s says: Sep 21, 2016 12:20 PM

    Exponent produced the results they were paid to produce. There are a lot of desperate clients that would be attracted to that sort of research firm. I thought it enhanced their desired reputation.

  11. marima07 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:21 PM

    You tell ’em Mike… and keep telling ’em. Lies and coverups, no matter how emphatic or well-presented, don’t change the truth.

  12. factpurveyor says: Sep 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    Just one of the videos that can be found online that proves that the PSI drops in footballs naturally.

    You can watch video on the popular online video site. Just search for “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

    The reason the NFL hasn’t released the PSI information from the 2015 season is because it shows the same thing that you saw in that video.

  13. thelastwordyaheard says: Sep 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    only brain dead, jealous trolls believe anything actually happened here ..this was a Goodell-driven witch hunt with no substance from day one

  14. lscottman3 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:28 PM

    all the NFL has to do is release the air pressure readings taken last year.

    No one can argue with empirical data.

    Clears up everything, you really have to wonder why they don’t release the data…wink wink

  15. factpurveyor says: Sep 21, 2016 12:29 PM

    Those with more than 2 working neurons understand that the Colts footballs also deflated. The NFL’s measurements showed that. The measurements were not as dramatic as the patriots measurements because the colts footballs were outside prior to the game because the colts were the visiting team.
    Also the patriots had the ball longer in the 1st half while the colts footballs were being kept in a plastic bag. The Colts footballs did not get as wet and they were also allowed to warm up indoors while the patriots footballs were all being measured twice.

    The joke is that dimwits haven’t noticed that the NFL hasn’t released the NFL PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season. The 3rd week of the of the 2016 season starts tomorrow and the NFL is still being dishonest with fans.

  16. 4ringsncountin says: Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM

    That’s what 4 super bowl rings and 15+ years of greatness will do to opposing fans. It’s just mania really. Pats will just keep on trucking, winning.

  17. factpurveyor says: Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM

    At this time and until the end of time only clueless dupes believe that Brady cheated. These clueless dupes were too ignorant to understand basic science while failing to notice the countless NFL lies and the orchestrated manipulation of the story through the national media.

    Those same clueless dupes continue to miss the fact that the NFL still hasn’t released the information from the 2015 NFL PSI study.

  18. factpurveyor says: Sep 21, 2016 12:33 PM

    The NFL is hiding evidence which vindicates Tom Brady. The information is from the 2015 season where they tested the PSI in footballs to see if the weather was affects the pressure. Since this information provides evidence that the PSI in footballs lowers naturally when the footballs are used in cold/wet weather the NFL is keeping it secret.

  19. voiceofthebostonfans says: Sep 21, 2016 12:34 PM

    This New York Times article makes absolutely zero effort to respond to the multiple criticisms of the Wells Report. All they say is, “We still think we’re right” and then bust out the violin and tell us how bad it makes them feel that people doubt and criticize them.

    Here’s an idea: If you don’t want to be criticized, get it right!

  20. lgw91s says: Sep 21, 2016 12:34 PM

    Sure. And Mike Kensil was promoted….. to some important position inspecting field conditions in China. Nobody wants to know about the NFL staffer who was stealing and selling game balls. Wherabouts? – unknown.

  21. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:36 PM

    scottbrowning2 says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:16 PM

    How is Ted Wells firm doing?
    ——————————

    Since they represent the NFL, they are doing very well.

    Yes, that’s right. Ted Wells works for the firm that represents the NFL, yet he was picked to head up an “independent” investigation into psigate.

    How’s that for integrity?

  22. donlogansb says: Sep 21, 2016 12:36 PM

    This whole thing should be handed over to the guys at Myth Busters.

    Let them figure it out and show their work as they go.

    Hyneman and Savage will get to the bottom of this.

  23. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:37 PM

    If we had the exact same report and would have said the pressures are explainable, you never would have heard anything about it,” John Pye of Exponent said. “The NFL would have said, ‘Oh, OK, and moved on.’

    But that’s not what you do Exponent. You have a history of giving exactly the results the customer asks for. And even Wells felt the pressure as he provided zero interview quotes and merely provided his own summary and analysis of his witness interviews. And why Exponent, did every other major scientific outlet disagree with you, outlets that were not drawing a check from the NFL like you were?

  24. swagger52 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:40 PM

    The NFL is hiding evidence so that the “OJ” defending Patriot fans can keep hiding behind the Ideal Gas Law. Hiding Evidence = Ball Boys

  25. chippys lost binky says: Sep 21, 2016 12:40 PM

    Exponent not only found that second hand smoke is harmless but also found oil sludge is good for the Amazon and asbestos dust is an inconsequential health hazard. They also went to great pains to absolve Toyota. But their two best pieces of trickery…er science…from the Well$ report were the deliberately misleading pictures of the gauges and their creation of a ‘master gauge’ rule using all one type of gauge. Nothing illustrated their bias quite so clearly as those two pieces of ‘evidence’…

  26. jjackwagon says: Sep 21, 2016 12:42 PM

    Brady went down because he destroyed evidence and did not cooperate with the investigation. And those ARE facts.

    Common sense would then dictate that he must have had a lot more to lose if he would have cooperated. He is now serving his suspension, the Pats appear to be no worse for wear and he will be back in two weeks.

    Can we PLEASE move on?

  27. 6ball says: Sep 21, 2016 12:46 PM

    .
    Human pond scum……. There’s lies, damned lies, statistics and Exponent. If you want to prove that brand X peanut butter causes cancer, or brand Y soda causes you to grow multiple heads, they’ll create a scenario and testify under oath that it’s undeniable.
    .

  28. fireroger says: Sep 21, 2016 12:46 PM

    “If we had the exact same report and would have said the pressures are explainable, you never would have heard anything about it,” John Pye of Exponent said. “The NFL would have said, ‘Oh, OK, and moved on.’ You wouldn’t have heard about Exponent, you wouldn’t have heard about John Pye, you wouldn’t have heard about all the things that happened from then.”
    ===================
    No Mr Pye. If your science was actually solid it would have shown natural deflation. Just like the entire rest of the worldwide scientific community has proven. Time and time again. Your company was paid millions of dollars to produce something that is the outlier in the overall sample set. The fact you never questioned the garbage being fed into your experiments is why you are losing customers and your credibility. You don’t care if there is a predetermined conclusion so long as you get paid.

  29. churchofthehoody says: Sep 21, 2016 12:48 PM

    Exponent Labs:

    “There are no dangers to the inhalation of second-hand smoke. There may in fact be some benefits.”

    “Research by our technicians (Exponent) shows that exposure to asbestos is statistically unlikely to be the cause cancer.”

    Sorry if I don’t feel bad about these frauds losing business…

  30. jchipwood says: Sep 21, 2016 12:50 PM

    Was Brady playing with a footballs below the required amount of pressure? Yes. Excuses are like butt holes everyone has one.

  31. craigruby20 says: Sep 21, 2016 12:50 PM

    Wait. I’m confused. Is second hand smoke dangerous or not? I know smoking is.

  32. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 21, 2016 12:51 PM

    Spot on Florio, as always.

    And yes we ARE better off for it but not in the way Patriot Hater would like to think.🙂 The corruption of #LyinRoger and a bunch of owners whose teams simply aren’t man enough to try and beat the Patriots by working harder is plain as day. As fans it’s a good thing to be more informed.
    🙂

  33. mattwalshvideo says: Sep 21, 2016 12:56 PM

    Has the “deflator” lost weight yet?

    Has anyone recovered Shady’s smashed cell phone?

  34. donlogansb says: Sep 21, 2016 1:00 PM

    “The first thing you know is that when Exponent is brought in to help a company, that company is in big trouble.”

  35. willycents says: Sep 21, 2016 1:03 PM

    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO

  36. scottbrowning2 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:03 PM

    jchipwood says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:50 PM
    Was Brady playing with a footballs below the required amount of pressure? Yes. Excuses are like butt holes everyone has one.

    ***********************************************
    No argument here. So were the Colts and every other team playing in a game below the room temperature where the balls are inflated and measured.

  37. hahaicansezbelicheat says: Sep 21, 2016 1:04 PM

    The fact that they got paid for two months of work to do something that should take 5 minutes via a mathematical formula tells you all you need to know. Maybe it would take a day if they wanted to look further into the impact of rain, but that’s it. Two months is their payment for the nudge nudge wink wink.

  38. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:09 PM

    mattwalshvideo says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:56 PM

    Has the “deflator” lost weight yet?

    Has anyone recovered Shady’s smashed cell phone?

    …..

    What about Kensil’s phone? where is that? Or Wells interview notes? Or perhaps just one single quote from one of the interviews instead of just a Wells’ summary? thought so.

  39. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:14 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:40 PM

    The NFL is hiding evidence so that the “OJ” defending Patriot fans can keep hiding behind the Ideal Gas Law. Hiding Evidence = Ball Boys
    ……….

    Hiding evidence = Goodell denying access to Wells’ interview notes

    Hiding evidence = refusing to release PSI data even though Goodell promised “transparency”

    hiding evidence = NFL refusing repeated requests to correct Mort report, then promising Wells would investigate, but he never did, there is no mention in the Wells report of it.

    Hiding evidence = Goodell refusing to testify at the NFL appeal

  40. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:16 PM

    willycents says:
    Sep 21, 2016 1:03 PM

    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO
    —————————

    Thanks for proving the Patriots point. Lol.

  41. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:17 PM

    Why were the footballs switched out at halftime of the Vikings playoff game last season?

  42. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:19 PM

    Judge Smails says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:56 PM

    Has the “deflator” lost weight yet?

    Has anyone recovered Shady’s smashed cell phone?
    ——————————

    Yes, but he found it again.

    What does LeSean McCoy have to do with psigate?

  43. solo681 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:20 PM

    The BIGGER PICTURE is how this is connected to the 2016 Prez Election.

    Not hard to figure out if you can see.

  44. fireroger says: Sep 21, 2016 1:21 PM

    jchipwood says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:50 PM
    Was Brady playing with a footballs below the required amount of pressure? Yes. Excuses are like butt holes everyone has one.
    ==================
    Technically so was Luck. You were saying?

  45. sportschatterdotco says: Sep 21, 2016 1:22 PM

    willycents says:
    Sep 21, 2016 1:03 PM
    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO

    ———-
    why stop at 2000? The Pats have always had trouble winning in Denver. Most teams do, it’s a big advantage the Donks have there in the thin air.

  46. fireroger says: Sep 21, 2016 1:24 PM

    willycents says:
    Sep 21, 2016 1:03 PM
    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO
    ========================
    Wanna guess what the PSI level would be at sea level? Here’s a hint … not 17.9 psi. LOL

  47. horaceivory says: Sep 21, 2016 1:26 PM

    mikermiker says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:10 PM
    lol brady cheated glad he’s doing time the league is better for it

    ———

    Wrong on the first part, miker…. and are you glad the Pats are still 2-0?

  48. celm52 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:26 PM

    Way to go, Florio! Thanks for standing up for science and rationality.

    This article is just more PR trying to make 1+1 = 3. The NFL’s refusal to release air pressure measurements should tell you everything you need to know.

  49. parilli15 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:28 PM

    New York Times may be retracting this Exponent puff piece before the day is out. Turns out the writer of the piece has been sending anti-Patriots tweets since early 2015. No exactly the person who should have been assigned the story. And of course that explains why he didn’t challenge Exponent on any of its claims.

  50. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:39 PM

    jjackwagon says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:42 PM

    Brady went down because he destroyed evidence and did not cooperate with the investigation. And those ARE facts.

    Common sense would then dictate that he must have had a lot more to lose if he would have cooperated. He is now serving his suspension, the Pats appear to be no worse for wear and he will be back in two weeks.

    Can we PLEASE move on?

    ……..

    Actually the NFL said they didn’t want his phone, and they have zero right to ask for any players personal property anyway. And yet Brady was a sport and offered all of his cell data to the NFL, and the NFL shrugged and said “nah forget it, it’s a better story if we tell everyone you wrecked your phone.”
    Common sense would say if you ask for something and someone gives it to you but you then you refuse it and pin a new story on it, you are trying to win a PR game.

  51. qbarrel says: Sep 21, 2016 1:43 PM

    mikermiker says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:10 PM
    lol brady cheated glad he’s doing time the league is better for it

    ——————————

    Absolutely! Just look at that ratings surge!….oh, wait a minute….disregard everything I just said. My bad.

  52. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:51 PM

    They lied to get their paycheck from the league. They know it. The league knows it. Anyone who isn’t a science denying fool knows it.

    Goodell and his cronies are vile and must go.

  53. fishyinalittledishy says: Sep 21, 2016 1:52 PM

    Much to my horror all that has happened at this juncture is we now know the Patriots have a pretty good QB at No.2. Which brings up the question, can the Patriots providing they have somebody that’s had a bit of time in the system just about slot anybody in there and destroy defences or is the Miami D as bad as I thought they might be. It looked like a times we had about 5 players back there. Intresting times ahead.

  54. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 1:56 PM

    You bozos can hate Brady, Belichick, Kraft, and the Patriots organization in general, for whatever reason, but when you start believing that Roger Goodell doesn’t lie, and that Ted Wells, who works for the law firm that represents the NFL, conducted an impartial and independent investigation, and that Exponent is a reputable source for scientific inquiry, then there is no hope for you.

  55. limakey says: Sep 21, 2016 2:02 PM

    Ved, wrong again! As usual. Every player, staff member and coach are obligated to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation. They sign their name to the contracts saying they will. The Wells Report made it clear what electronic information they wanted from Brady. When he destroyed his cell phone, he upped the ante from failing to cooperate to obstruction of an investigation. He can’t use the union as an excuse becaused he refused to have the union involved until after the suspension was handed down. It didn’t stop him or his agent for using it as an excuse after the Wells report came out but it is clear that he never used the union as a reason he refused to turn over the requested material. The information he provided later is just proof proving he is a liar and a man of no integrity.

  56. fireroger says: Sep 21, 2016 2:02 PM

    So to recap, Exponent is saying the rest of the scientific community would have yielded the exact same results if they followed the same flawed scientific method. I hope it doesn’t hurt a ton standing by that claim. The arrogance involved in thumbing their nose to the rest of the world is mind boggling. smh

  57. alewatcher says: Sep 21, 2016 2:06 PM

    In the test and measurement world, if you have two different instruments that give different answers when making the same measurement, you know nothing.

    If you’re going to make decisions, you have to have accurate data. This was a farce from beginning to end.

  58. alewatcher says: Sep 21, 2016 2:10 PM

    churchofthehoody says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:48 PM

    Exponent Labs:

    “There are no dangers to the inhalation of second-hand smoke. There may in fact be some benefits.”

    “Research by our technicians (Exponent) shows that exposure to asbestos is statistically unlikely to be the cause cancer.”

    —–
    I beg to differ. My Dad died of mesothelioma.

    These guys sound like the place to go to prove whatever you want.

  59. tim8450 says: Sep 21, 2016 2:18 PM

    The sad part is, as an NFL fan, that Roger had time to collect and share actual data, and say “the data does not conclusively prove that footballs were intentionally deflated, however, Brady did not cooperate fully so we are fining him (x) and (suspending him (y).) as is the legal perogative of the NFL commish.” That is a ruling that might have been reluctantly accepted by most people.

    This whole mess is just lousy planning by the NFL, because college and semi pro teams will collect this data and show how unfair and poorly organized this sham was, which looks a lot worse than a minor penalty for pulling a Brett Favre and refusing to turn over your private cell phone.

    He who smelt it dealt it.

  60. MiamiDolphinsNation says: Sep 21, 2016 2:22 PM

    Just a shame the Shady one did this to his team, oh well cheaters justice.
    2-2 before Shady’s return.🙂

  61. bencoates57 says: Sep 21, 2016 2:27 PM

    Ha ha. Exponent lost credibility and clients over their science. The CEO says he stands behind their science.

    Does he feel the same about his brand of science when it exonerated cigarettes over second hand smoke.

    Losers.

    Exponent is a lobbyist, not a research firm.

    I just took a hiring manager to task for not choosing me for a position because I possessed only 3 years of experience with the Analytics software (which is all you need really) compared to a rival’s 7. Problem is the rival didn’t have a PhD like I do and many courses in Statistics Theory and Statistics applications. So I reviewed an article the hiring manager co-published with his team and 7 others (how many people does it take?) and determined when I looked at the raw data that they made 4 major errors or possibly engaged in 4 deliberate disingenuous acts to artificially inflate the significance of a difference no miniscule, anyone can eyeball it and see it’s not meaningful (23 vs 17%). Now I’m poised to take them all to task when I go public with my report, as the City of New York is leaning on its conclusions for policy and planning in the health care mission space. I still can’t believe the article was “peer reviewed.” Guess no one looked at the raw data.

  62. tedmurph says: Sep 21, 2016 2:28 PM

    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO
    ========================================
    Another genius speaks. PSI is measured relative to atmospheric pressure. If the fbs were filled at Denver APressure and then used in the game, they wouldn’t ‘inflate’. Maybe if you inflated them in Foxboro, hermetically sealed them, and then put them into play in Denver. Wow.

  63. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 2:32 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 2:02 PM

    Ved, wrong again! As usual. Every player, staff member and coach are obligated to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation. They sign their name to the contracts saying they will. The Wells Report made it clear what electronic information they wanted from Brady. When he destroyed his cell phone, he upped the ante from failing to cooperate to obstruction of an investigation. He can’t use the union as an excuse becaused he refused to have the union involved until after the suspension was handed down. It didn’t stop him or his agent for using it as an excuse after the Wells report came out but it is clear that he never used the union as a reason he refused to turn over the requested material. The information he provided later is just proof proving he is a liar and a man of no integrity.
    ………………

    Brady went above and beyond just giving cell data and gave them emails which the NFL ,after promising complete privacy, promptly leaked to the public. So why should he have trusted them with his phone again?

  64. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 2:37 PM

    MiamiDolphinsNation says:
    Sep 21, 2016 2:22 PM

    Just a shame the Shady one did this to his team, oh well cheaters justice.
    2-2 before Shady’s return.🙂
    —————————

    Lol. The Dolphins aren’t winning their next two.

  65. bencoates57 says: Sep 21, 2016 2:38 PM

    “2-2 before Shady’s return.”

    —————–

    2-2 is what Patriots fans predicted and hoped before the season started.

    You would have predicted and hoped for 0-4.

    Talk about having to redefine your goals.

  66. tedmurph says: Sep 21, 2016 2:42 PM

    It’s amazing some of these guys can’t post one fact, ever, even accidently. What are the odds? What the heck, it’s a blog. Make it up as you go.

  67. fireroger says: Sep 21, 2016 2:43 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 2:02 PM
    Ved, wrong again! As usual. Every player, staff member and coach are obligated to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation. They sign their name to the contracts saying they will. The Wells Report made it clear what electronic information they wanted from Brady. When he destroyed his cell phone, he upped the ante from failing to cooperate to obstruction of an investigation. He can’t use the union as an excuse becaused he refused to have the union involved until after the suspension was handed down. It didn’t stop him or his agent for using it as an excuse after the Wells report came out but it is clear that he never used the union as a reason he refused to turn over the requested material. The information he provided later is just proof proving he is a liar and a man of no integrity.
    ===================
    Brett Favre provided no phone despite the NFL already having pictures and voice mails from Sterges incriminating Favre. Same obstruction. Same contract\obligation.

    Just sayin.

  68. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 3:00 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 2:02 PM
    Ved, wrong again! As usual. Every player, staff member and coach are obligated to fully cooperate in any NFL investigation. They sign their name to the contracts saying they will. The Wells Report made it clear what electronic information they wanted from Brady. When he destroyed his cell phone, he upped the ante from failing to cooperate to obstruction of an investigation. He can’t use the union as an excuse becaused he refused to have the union involved until after the suspension was handed down. It didn’t stop him or his agent for using it as an excuse after the Wells report came out but it is clear that he never used the union as a reason he refused to turn over the requested material. The information he provided later is just proof proving he is a liar and a man of no integrity.

    …….

    “Obligated to cooperate” does not involve “surrendering judicial subpoena power to”.

    At work, an employee is often obligated to allow a security camera to be in the workplace. Yet an employee is not obligated to allow a security camera in their home .

    Its a pretty big difference, its not hard to understand.

  69. tedmurph says: Sep 21, 2016 3:05 PM

    Glad the bogus junk science perpetrated by Exponent has hurt them financially. They had to find a sympathetic hear to plead their case, and they found their lapdog. They’re a hired gun, with a reputation for sale. At least ‘deflategate’ didn’t hurt anyone, as opposed to their 2nd hand smoke work, insurance, auto recall work, etc. They’ve been refuted by dozens of legit scientists,as well as 6th grade science projects. That’s how bad this was. I surprised they haven’t been recruited by the ‘Global Warming is a Hoax’ crowd. They’d be perfect.

  70. lifetimefan says: Sep 21, 2016 3:19 PM

    Between ESPN, the NFL, Roger Goodell, Exponent, and Ted Wells and his not so independent report the shear lunacy of this continues to grow.

    Just when I thought I had heard it all yet another article comes out, this one supporting the results of the tests. I’m no rocket scientist but I am an engineer and the scientists involved in this testing should be ashamed of themselves. To purport that the evidence they used was valid and that the conclusions that they arrived at were solely based on the evidence in front of them and not influenced by an NFL objective in the outcome is laughable.

  71. gisellichek says: Sep 21, 2016 3:19 PM

    Please … Exponent is a joke… They take money to write spin/borderline lies. They were hired for a reason…

    Ted Wells was not “independent” , he was sent to find/fabricate evidence. His investigation was supervised by Jeff Pash. The whole thing orchestrated to support a predetermined conclusion.

    The Patriots did nothing wrong… the league pistol whipped em’ to make a point… and to assert the commissioners powers. also too placate jealous owners whose “impression” of their franchise’s legacy is being challenged by Brady and BB and the Patriots now being called the greatest dynasty in the super bowl era.

    That fact alone goes right up the patoody of alot of owners!!!

    There is is… FACT!

  72. smarterthanyouoryours says: Sep 21, 2016 3:31 PM

    Here are the facts since you want facts.

    Only ONE team has been fined $m multiple times for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has had to forfeit first round picks multiple times for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has been humiliated by having their owner and coach forced to apologize to the other owners for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has had their QB suspended for 1/4 of the season for serial, institutionalized cheating during games, as ultimately proven in a court of law.

    Those are FACTS!

    The rest is all supposition.

  73. tedmurph says: Sep 21, 2016 3:38 PM

    0-4 on the fact meter. Batting average stays the same.

  74. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 3:43 PM

    smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Sep 21, 2016 3:31 PM
    “Only ONE team has had their QB suspended for 1/4 of the season for serial, institutionalized cheating during games, as ultimately proven in a court of law.”

    ——-

    You didn’t follow Deflategate very closely. The court of law decided the CBA allows for the commissioner to do what he wants. It decided absolutely nothing about what may or may not have occurred during the AFC title game. Science took care of that. ta ta!

  75. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 4:05 PM

    “Only ONE team has been humiliated by having their owner and coach forced to apologize to the other owners for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.”
    ————————-

    Get real. No one forced Kraft or Belichick to do any such thing.

  76. lyfordjr says: Sep 21, 2016 4:10 PM

    “these people also confirmed the ‘single-bullet theory’ re: the jfk assassination”

    As has everyone else who ever looked seriously at it. Blind squirrel, acorn. There’s no question about what happened in Dallas that day.

  77. mmack66 says: Sep 21, 2016 4:37 PM

    Is that Eli Manning up there in that picture?

  78. lifetimefan says: Sep 21, 2016 4:43 PM

    Here are the facts since you want facts.

    Only ONE team has been fined $m multiple times for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has had to forfeit first round picks multiple times for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has been humiliated by having their owner and coach forced to apologize to the other owners for serial, institutionalized cheating during games.

    Only ONE team has had their QB suspended for 1/4 of the season for serial, institutionalized cheating during games, as ultimately proven in a court of law.

    Those are FACTS!

    The rest is all supposition.

    Wow, I just looked it up, the Broncos right, the 2 salary cap violations, right? Pretty astute of you.

  79. bencoates57 says: Sep 21, 2016 4:58 PM

    Sorry LIFETIMEFAN, but DEFLATEGATE only served to wake people up to the kangaroo court that is the NFL.

  80. bencoates57 says: Sep 21, 2016 5:02 PM

    That’s it. It’s official. Tom Brady is a Christ figure. Oh that heavy NFL subtext.

  81. limakey says: Sep 21, 2016 5:05 PM

    Ved, wrong again. All players and staff members are requiee to fully cooperate in an investigation. It is only through the union can he use the excuse of lack of subpeona power. He did not use the union as a reason, he couldn’t, he aleady destroyed his phone. He did not go above and beyond because he did not give the NFL what they requested. He knows that he gave them useless information. And you are completely wrong about the NFL leaking his emails. It was the NFLPA who filed them, not the NFL. Any one could have accessed once the NFLPA filed them with his appeal. So why don’t you rant on the NFLPA for ‘leaking’ his emails?

  82. RE LEE says: Sep 21, 2016 5:37 PM

    Is that why Goodell is hiding the result of his random psi testing?
    Goodell bought a report and Exponent gave it to them. Reputable scientists and kids proved Brady is innocent.
    Haters believe the proven liar Roger. I hope your teams become a recipient of Roger’s wrath and his unbounded power.

  83. smarterthanyouoryours says: Sep 21, 2016 5:50 PM

    Get real. No one forced Kraft or Belichick to do any such thing.

    Did they apologize?

    The court of law decided the CBA allows for the commissioner to do what he wants.

    Yet when the first court mistakenly threw out the suspension you and other Pats fans said he was cleared in a court of law. Hypocritical much?

    Wow, I just looked it up, the Broncos right, the 2 salary cap violations, right? Pretty astute of you.

    First, they weren’t cheating during games.

    Second they didn’t have the QB suspended for cheating during games.

    Third, they didn’t lose two first round picks.

    Finally, their coach and owner weren’t forced to apologize.

    FACT

  84. veddermn8 says: Sep 21, 2016 6:06 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 5:05 PM

    Ved, wrong again. All players and staff members are requiee to fully cooperate in an investigation. It is only through the union can he use the excuse of lack of subpeona power. He did not use the union as a reason, he couldn’t, he aleady destroyed his phone. He did not go above and beyond because he did not give the NFL what they requested. He knows that he gave them useless information. And you are completely wrong about the NFL leaking his emails. It was the NFLPA who filed them, not the NFL. Any one could have accessed once the NFLPA filed them with his appeal. So why don’t you rant on the NFLPA for ‘leaking’ his emails?
    ……

    Union is always involved in any player discipline situation, name one where it hasn’t.

    Brady gave all cell data to the NFL, NFL couldn’t be bothered to follow up.

    NFL started this whole mess and initiated the court case so yes they are responsible for Brady’s privacy being breached.

  85. johnheisman says: Sep 21, 2016 6:39 PM

    Brady offered to have the 2 Patriots ball boys to testify at his “appeal”. Goodell declined to talk to them and look them in the eye.

    Wells could not get a confession despite incredible pressure. I think the Patriots are waiting for the right moment, perhaps after the suspension is up, and a press conference will be held with the two ball boys and then we will know.

    In my opinion, when this news story broke, Belichick absolutely had Brady and the ball boys into his office to tell him everything and that means everything. If something happened, Belichick would know and there no …WAY Belichick would hold the press conference trying to explain what he knew and then lie about it. He could lose his job if he lied. he didn’t lie and neither did Brady. Nothing happened.

  86. bassicdave says: Sep 21, 2016 6:59 PM

    scottbrowning2 says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:16 PM

    Of course Exponent is losing business.

    —-

    No they’re not. They’re doing exactly what their clients pay them to do – create and defend fake “research.”

    Unfortunate for them, even my dog can see how phony they are.

  87. rwhite151 says: Sep 21, 2016 8:07 PM

    Exponents science proved that second hand smoke does not cause cancer. Not kidding. This is not a neutral company. You get paid big money you will say anything. Pretty sure their science could prove that Mexico will pay for the wall.

  88. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Sep 21, 2016 10:13 PM

    Like many others here and elsewhere I’m getting tired of all of this Deflategate nonsense…Here’s the easiest way to solve the problem…NFL, release the PSI data from the 2015 season, and let the data speak for itself!

  89. ibillwt says: Sep 21, 2016 11:06 PM

    Got in my truck this noticeably cooler morning and the tire pressure registered 35-36 in all four compared to a consistent 39-40 all summer.

    I had to laugh thinking about a lawyer clown making 30 million a year who had never noticed anything similar.

    Mike you have to ask him that question in an interview. Patrick and the rest of the suckups don’t have the balls but i think you’d would. Do it Mike.

  90. bostonpatriots1stfan says: Sep 21, 2016 11:14 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 5:05 PM

    Ved, wrong again. All players and staff members are requiee to fully cooperate in an investigation. It is only through the union can he use the excuse of lack of subpeona power. He did not use the union as a reason, he couldn’t, he aleady destroyed his phone. He did not go above and beyond because he did not give the NFL what they requested. He knows that he gave them useless information. And you are completely wrong about the NFL leaking his emails. It was the NFLPA who filed them, not the NFL. Any one could have accessed once the NFLPA filed them with his appeal. So why don’t you rant on the NFLPA for ‘leaking’ his emails?
    ########################################

    Please just GO AWAY…No facts, EVER!

    It was the NFL office on Park Avenue that leaked Brady’s email…Maybe you’ll remember the $8500.00 pool cover?

  91. letmefeelyourlove says: Sep 22, 2016 7:36 AM

    “Baloney. A public report was coming, regardless of the outcome of Exponent’s work. ”

    You may believe that, Mike, but I’m not convinced of that. Remember how the psi measurements taken during the 2015 season were going to be made public? It seems that NFL executives are all for public reports, when those reports advance their agenda. Otherwise … not so much!

  92. fireroger says: Sep 22, 2016 8:01 AM

    limakey says:
    Sep 21, 2016 5:05 PM
    Ved, wrong again. All players and staff members are requiee to fully cooperate in an investigation. It is only through the union can he use the excuse of lack of subpeona power. He did not use the union as a reason, he couldn’t, he aleady destroyed his phone. He did not go above and beyond because he did not give the NFL what they requested. He knows that he gave them useless information. And you are completely wrong about the NFL leaking his emails. It was the NFLPA who filed them, not the NFL. Any one could have accessed once the NFLPA filed them with his appeal. So why don’t you rant on the NFLPA for ‘leaking’ his emails?
    ========================
    Not all players are required to cooperate. If that was true Favre would have gotten a 4 game suspension as well. Which makes sense since rape, domestic abuse and sexual harassment are much less severe than unproven ball deflation.

    You’re wrong about not being able to use the union. Destroying the phone has no bearing on that at all. Brady made it clear during his first interview the phone wasn’t going to be provided. Whether it was in tact or in pieces is largely irrelevant as it falls under the same purview of the union.

    The real question about the phone logs is how do you determine the information is useless unless you actually look at it? It’s one thing to destroy the phone. It’s another to not look at information from somebody trying to make amends to that situation. Even if the information proved useless you still need to look at it to make that determination. It was handled like everything else with deflategate … a predetermined conclusion. Everybody knows it. It’s silly to even pretend otherwise at this point.

    It’s laughable that you want to blame the NFLPA for fulfilling their requirements to file the emails implying it was their fault they were leaked. Obsolving the NFL because they were public record doesn’t make them any less culpable. It speaks to why Brady shouldn’t have trusted the NFL. They proved him right.

  93. espntmz says: Sep 22, 2016 8:11 AM

    That story was just a commercial for Exponent. They were losing business so their CEO said “get out there and show them the human side of our company….just a bunch of smart, family guys doin’ our job”……..and the Times reporter didn’t challenge ANY of their BS in any way….sad, just sad.

  94. eyeandfootballofhorus says: Sep 22, 2016 8:47 AM

    TB isn’t a very sympathetic character if your team gets thumped by him and the MIGHTY PATRIOTS on a regular basis. i get that, but his treatment by the league was shameful. basically he got railroaded without any real evidence, through the ‘technicalities’ of a flawed labor contract and the petty grievances of other clubs and their stooge commissioner, leading to a national embarrassment for well over a year. i can’t wait until the pats win with their rookie 3rd-string QB tonight.

  95. limakey says: Sep 22, 2016 9:10 AM

    Brady refused to have the ball boys testify at his appeals hearing. Goodell specifically asked Brady this question. Brady refused. And with good reason.

  96. letmefeelyourlove says: Sep 22, 2016 9:24 AM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 9:10 AM

    Brady refused to have the ball boys testify at his appeals hearing. Goodell specifically asked Brady this question. Brady refused. And with good reason.
    ___________________________________

    At the appeals hearing, each side was able to choose those who would testify on their behalf. Neither side was allowed an unlimited number of witnesses due to time restraints.

    It is true that the Brady team did not call the ball boys. There was no need to call them, since they had been interviewed multiple times by NFL Security and Ted Wells. Their testimony was already on the record. To have them repeat the same testimony would have been a waste of the team’s time.

    The NFL could have called the ball boys to testify. They didn’t need Brady’s approval to do that. If the NFL thought the ball boys testimony would have helped their case, they certainly would have called them to testify. The fact that the NFL didn’t call them speaks volumes (for those that choose to listen, of course!).

  97. Mo Pro Babble says: Sep 22, 2016 9:26 AM

    tedmurph says:
    Sep 21, 2016 2:28 PM
    Since 2000, the Pats are 2 – 7 versus the Broncos at Denver, where the elevation is a mile above sea level. This is due to the Natural Gas Law. The balls inflate from 12.5 psi to 17.9 psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. Right, Pats fans?
    PS: What is the record of NE vs Denver since 2000? LMAO
    BTW 9-7, pretty close but the Pats had a few blowouts, Denver wins were much closer.

    MY favorite game was the intentional safety. How do you spell schooled?

  98. LyinRogerMustGo says: Sep 22, 2016 9:41 AM

    We all know why Goodell ordered the ball boys not to appear at Brady’s appeal.

    Just like we all know why the NFL is hiding the PSI measurements.

    Even Patriot Hater knows why.🙂

  99. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 9:57 AM

    letmefeelyourlove says:
    Sep 22, 2016 9:24 AM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 9:10 AM

    Brady refused to have the ball boys testify at his appeals hearing. Goodell specifically asked Brady this question. Brady refused. And with good reason.
    ___________________________________

    At the appeals hearing, each side was able to choose those who would testify on their behalf. Neither side was allowed an unlimited number of witnesses due to time restraints.

    It is true that the Brady team did not call the ball boys. There was no need to call them, since they had been interviewed multiple times by NFL Security and Ted Wells. Their testimony was already on the record. To have them repeat the same testimony would have been a waste of the team’s time.

    The NFL could have called the ball boys to testify. They didn’t need Brady’s approval to do that. If the NFL thought the ball boys testimony would have helped their case, they certainly would have called them to testify. The fact that the NFL didn’t call them speaks volumes (for those that choose to listen, of course!).

    ———

    It’s also telling that Wells opted not to include any direct quotes from the ball boys interviews in the report and instead gave his own summary and opinion of what they said. And then Jeff Pash had an opportunity to edit the report and Wells co-investigator Lorin Reisner was representing the NFL at the appeal. And Goodell refused equal discovery to Brady’s side and denied them access to the interview notes. Seems a little odd.

  100. limakey says: Sep 22, 2016 10:43 AM

    Brady never turned over any emails to the NFL. The NFLPA filed them with his appeal. Google it! The NFPLA refused, on Brady’s behalf not to call the ball boys. There is no such rule that Goodell could have forced them. Now for those of you who insist that Goodell could have called them, then you also have to believe Goodell did Brady a solid by not calling them. How does it help Brady when both men have stated in their testimony that not only Tom Brady knew who Jim McNally was but what his job was when Brady is claming just the opposite? How does it help Brady if McNally testifies under oath that he called himself the deflator because he is fat and was going to ESPN because he was stealing shoes? If Goodell had forced their testimony, you all would be screaming, rightfully so, that it was unfair to call them when he already knew there was conflicting testimony? And one more thing, Brady didn’t want them there because he could not control what they were going to say. What if, under the threat of perjury, they came clean and said yes, there was an ongoing scheme and yes, Brady knew about it and encouraged it and rewarded them for it? Those two men would need to go into witness protection if they told the truth. The fans in New England would fire bomb their houses!

  101. rpahl13 says: Sep 22, 2016 11:10 AM

    Brady is innocent. I will prove it.

    For the science, the following scientists/firms have demonstrated that no deflation occurred: John Leonard. Drew Fustin. HeadSmart Labs. Mide Technology. Dale Syphers. Michael Naughton. FLIR Systems.
    Basically, a 20F drop = a 1psi drop. Rain causes an additional drop up to .7psi. The Pats’ footballs averaged 11.5psig at halftime, the lowest was 10.9psig. That’s within the expected effects of the ~50F raining weather.
    No scientists have confirmed or even agreed with Wells’ conclusion. Wells’ report had instances of obvious bias. For proof, look at the images of the gauge needles – figure 3, page 15 of Exponent’s appendix. They’re measured from different points to make their difference in lengths seem smaller, so Wells’ could more easily dismiss ref Walt Anderson’s recollection that he used the logo gauge pre-game.
    Wells/Exponent did an experiment to try to determine which gauge was used. See section VIIB for the explanation. The problem is, without precise temperature values for the pressure measurements, it’s literally 100% impossible to experimentally determine which gauge was used.

    The Colts’ footballs did not appear to lose as much pressure because they were measured at the *end* of halftime. The Pats’ were measured at the start of halftime. This means the Colts’ had ~10 minutes to warm and dry while inside, and the Pats had little to no time. More time = more heat = more pressure. Newton’s law of cooling.

    If you think the May 2014 text with ‘the deflator’ matters, consider the following;
    Months later, during a cold November Pats@Packers game, McNally texted Jastremski “deflate and give somebody that jacket” when he saw him on TV on the sideline wearing a thick jacket and holding another. This definitively demonstrates a different meaning for the word.
    In an October 2014 text, Jastremski mentions to his fiancee after a Pats v Jets game that the footballs were nearly 16psig, but they were “supposed to be 13” This demonstrates it was not their goal to go outside the legal limit.

    Brady’s phone. As posted on Brady’s FB: “I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances.”
    This means his phone was not evidence. It was never going to be evidence. Therefore, destroying it was not tantamount to destroying evidence.
    Besides, Wells went through McNally and Jastremski’s phones and found no evidence of a scheme. In order to believe Brady’s phone had other evidence, you’ve got to believe he texted it only to someone BESIDES the last 2 guys to handle footballs before a game. That is completely illogical.
    If their texts are indicative of any kind of deflation, it’s because Jastremski pumps up footballs to rub them down with rags/brushes, then gives them to McNally to set them to the desired pressure before the pre-game inspection. Not tampering, just preparing footballs together legally.

    There was no motive to tamper with the footballs. In 2006 Brady got other QBs to support him in petitioning the league to change a rule, allowing teams to alter the surface texture of footballs. This means if Brady wanted pressure outside the legal limit, he could have just gotten that rule changed. There was no need to sneak around. His 2015 stats were better than the previous FOUR seasons. The Patriots 2015 fumble rate was as remarkable as any other year. There’s no apparent statistical advantage.

    There is no evidence the footballs were ever tampered with.
    There is no evidence anyone wanted to tamper with them.
    There is no motive to tamper with them.

  102. limakey says: Sep 22, 2016 11:38 AM

    Rpal, Not true. The length of the guages have no bearing on the reading. None. The texts prove that Pats had means, motive and opportunity. Brady knows the full process. He knew that many of the refs didn’t even measure the game balls. He also knew that Jim McNally handled the footballs after the refs inspection and could deflate them. He knew the rules and knew the chances of getting caught were slim to none. There is no truth to your statement that McNally and JJ were preparing the balls together, legally. As noted in the Wells report, Jim McNally had nothing to do with game day preparation of the balls. JJ prepared them for Brady’s inspection, after Brady’s selection, they go to the refs for inspection. Once the ref inspection, no one is supposed to make any alterations to the balls. Jim McNally had direct access to the balls after ref’s inspection.

  103. rpahl13 says: Sep 22, 2016 11:49 AM

    limakey said
    “The length of the guages have no bearing on the reading. None.”
    Never said they did. Do you mean what I said about how Exponent presented them? It’s clearly an attempt to make it look easier for Anderson to mistake one gauge for the other. The logo gauge was measured from the beginning of the needle, the non-logo gauge was measured from the base of the needle, adding an extra .2in. The non-logo gauge needle image is also enlarged by about 17%.

    ” The texts prove that Pats had means, motive and opportunity. ”
    Means…as in an overweight middle-aged man in a small bathroom with 2 bags of 12 footballs each quickly deflating them? Doubt it. Why would Brady even want footballs at imprecise inflation levels? Makes no sense.

    No, they don’t prove a motive. If Brady wanted his footballs at 12.0psig, he could have gotten the rule changed, like he got another minor ball prep rule changed in 06. There is no need to sneak around an easily changed rule.

    ” Jim McNally had nothing to do with game day preparation of the balls.”
    It was speculation, I know. Some of the texts suggest the possibility that Jastremski was subcontracting McNally to help him with the ball preparation. It’s actually as fair a guess as saying McNally deflated balls in the bathroom – a hypothesis contradicted by the science.

  104. me817 says: Sep 22, 2016 12:12 PM

    The greater shame should be on the Court of Appeals, who, despite scientific evidence contradicting the Exponent findings, still ignored the genesis that the data was flawed in the first place. That would be the same as if a person were convicted of murder, although the DNA didn’t match, but was upheld because “he could have been there”

  105. fireroger says: Sep 22, 2016 12:17 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 9:10 AM
    Brady refused to have the ball boys testify at his appeals hearing. Goodell specifically asked Brady this question. Brady refused. And with good reason.
    ———————————–
    Again why would Brady bring either in front of the commish if they weren’t going to change their stories? All it would do would present an opportunity for the the league to question them. Which they could have done on their own if they felt it was needed. If Wells couldn’t get it out of them there’s no reason to think the league could have. Just sayin’.

  106. j0esixpack says: Sep 22, 2016 12:18 PM

    Just to recap and drive Hatriots fans into a frenzy let’s recap FrameGate:

    #1 According to the “best recollection” of the Ref, Walt Anderson, there was no deflation of the footballs

    #2 The only way Goodell can claim the footballs were deflated is by assuming that their ref’s “best recollection” was the polar opposite – and even then, you also have to accept then that 75% of the Colts footballs were also “deflated”

    #3 If you’re still not convinced ask the NFL why they lied to you, the public, about 11 of 12 footballs being 2 lbs under – and kept that lie alive for over 6 months until the Patriots issued the numbers themselves

    #4 If you’re still not convinced the NFL is corrupt, ask the NFL why they originally said they would release PSI readings from 2015 to prove that Brady was guilty – but now refuse to do so because they prove Brady’s innocence

    #5 Thanks to Judge Berman we know that “arbitrator” Goodell never actually ruled on Brady’s case but simply determined “guilt” based on his rope a dope to have Wells tell Brady they didn’t want or need his personal cellphone – just the info on it – but when Brady provided the info Goodell changed his mind, demanded the phone, and Brady refused. This resulted in a $50k fine when Brett Favre refused to cooperate in an NFL employee sexual harrassment investigation – for Brady, it resulted in him being benched to help Hatriots team owners have a chance to make the Super Bowl.

    The NFL is corrupt and trying to fix games by benching the GOAT for no reason folks. Accept it.

    Not even your jealous Hatriots tears can change the facts that the Laws of Physics prove Brady is innocent.

  107. bencoates57 says: Sep 22, 2016 12:19 PM

    The league should have quit while it was head. But now DEFLATEGATE has the world questioning everything, including SPYGATE.

  108. limakey says: Sep 22, 2016 12:19 PM

    Rpah, Science clearly showed the balls measured below legal limits. Exponent clearly proved that it doesn’t matter what gauge was used, the air pressure in the Pats’ balls was below the rate of the Colts balls. The Pats have clearly bet their whole case on Anderson’s best recollection. Where is the science that proves human recollection trumps over all the other evidence that he was mistaken. Where is Anderson’s testimony that he was positive on which gauge he used? Where does say that he is so positive that you could hold a gun to his head and he would not change on which guage he used? Thats right, he said to his best recollection he used one guage but it is certainly possible that he used the other. How many people backed up his testimony that the Pats balls were 12.5/12.6 and the Colts balls were 13.0 range? How many officials backed up Jim Mcnally’s testmony and Anderson’s testimony that Brady wants the pressure at 12.5? And didn’t some also say that they were told this by McNally in other games. It is purely illogical to think that Anderson’s best recollection trumps the evidence that he was mistaken.

  109. letmefeelyourlove says: Sep 22, 2016 12:24 PM

    rpahl13 says:
    Sep 22, 2016 11:49 AM

    Why would Brady even want footballs at imprecise inflation levels? Makes no sense.
    ___________________________________

    That’s not the only thing that doesn’t make sense.

    The worst case scenario (and you have to buy into a lot of questionable assumptions to even get there) is that the Pats’ footballs may (emphasis on may) have been as much as .4 psi lower than predicted by the IGL. A difference of 1.0 psi is barely perceptible, if it is perceptible at all. A difference of just .4 psi would be totally imperceptible. The idea that a person would orchestrate a complex and nefarious scheme to alter footballs so slightly that the difference is imperceptible is ridiculous on its face.

    Reducing the psi of a football by just .4 psi is also quite difficult. The New York Daily News ran a piece testing whether a person could deflate footballs by 2 psi (the deflation figure originally reported) in the time JM was in the bathroom. It was determined that a person could deflate a football by 2.0 psi in just 2.2 seconds. So a person letting .4 psi of air out of a football would have to insert a needle and remove it in less than a quarter of a second. And that person would have to do it consistently … unless the quarterback doesn’t want footballs with a consistent (doesn’t sound like Brady to me)!

  110. fireroger says: Sep 22, 2016 12:25 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 10:43 AM
    Brady never turned over any emails to the NFL. The NFLPA filed them with his appeal. Google it! The NFPLA refused, on Brady’s behalf not to call the ball boys. There is no such rule that Goodell could have forced them. Now for those of you who insist that Goodell could have called them, then you also have to believe Goodell did Brady a solid by not calling them. How does it help Brady when both men have stated in their testimony that not only Tom Brady knew who Jim McNally was but what his job was when Brady is claming just the opposite? How does it help Brady if McNally testifies under oath that he called himself the deflator because he is fat and was going to ESPN because he was stealing shoes? If Goodell had forced their testimony, you all would be screaming, rightfully so, that it was unfair to call them when he already knew there was conflicting testimony? And one more thing, Brady didn’t want them there because he could not control what they were going to say. What if, under the threat of perjury, they came clean and said yes, there was an ongoing scheme and yes, Brady knew about it and encouraged it and rewarded them for it? Those two men would need to go into witness protection if they told the truth. The fans in New England would fire bomb their houses!
    ====================
    No matter how you slice this the testimony of the ball boys are cherry picked. Specifically, you can believe them they knew Brady. You can believe them that Brady knew their roles. But you can’t believe them when they say they didn’t deflate the balls or there was ever a scheme to do so. All of which is in their interview. Even if they were called up and they stated the exact same things we’re still left with credibility issues created by cherry picking parts of the testimony you want to believe. Simply, the ball boys are either lying and aren’t credible or they being truthful and are credible. You can’t pick and choose parts of their testimony to believe in.

  111. fireroger says: Sep 22, 2016 12:30 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 11:38 AM
    Rpal, Not true. The length of the guages have no bearing on the reading. None. The texts prove that Pats had means, motive and opportunity. Brady knows the full process. He knew that many of the refs didn’t even measure the game balls. He also knew that Jim McNally handled the footballs after the refs inspection and could deflate them. He knew the rules and knew the chances of getting caught were slim to none. There is no truth to your statement that McNally and JJ were preparing the balls together, legally. As noted in the Wells report, Jim McNally had nothing to do with game day preparation of the balls. JJ prepared them for Brady’s inspection, after Brady’s selection, they go to the refs for inspection. Once the ref inspection, no one is supposed to make any alterations to the balls. Jim McNally had direct access to the balls after ref’s inspection.
    ===========================
    The length of the needles highlights the length of deception Exponent went to in order to diminish the differences in gauge readings? Why? Probably because they knew that in order to truly prove Anderson was wrong they would need to procure a similar device. Something which they never did. And why they continue to have no credibility.

    The bottom line is the NFL has yet to prove ball manipulation by the Pats. Their science was flawed. Their investigation was flawed. Their commissioner is flawed.

  112. graylingskies says: Sep 22, 2016 12:34 PM

    Your response only illustrates the lunacy and crescendo of absurdity this alleged equipment violation has reached, not to mention the tens of millions of dollars wasted on it, and yet not one other team has had to run this gauntlet of keystone coppery when many have done far worse. Give it a rest, please and sit back and enjoy getting your arses whipped by our second and third string QBs. Oh, BTW, you may call them that but we think we are fortunate to have one Hall of Famer and two franchise QBs waiting in the wings. Geez, hope I didn’t just jinx them.

  113. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 12:35 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 10:43 AM

    Brady never turned over any emails to the NFL. The NFLPA filed them with his appeal. Google it! The NFPLA refused, on Brady’s behalf not to call the ball boys. There is no such rule that Goodell could have forced them. Now for those of you who insist that Goodell could have called them, then you also have to believe Goodell did Brady a solid by not calling them. How does it help Brady when both men have stated in their testimony that not only Tom Brady knew who Jim McNally was but what his job was when Brady is claming just the opposite? How does it help Brady if McNally testifies under oath that he called himself the deflator because he is fat and was going to ESPN because he was stealing shoes? If Goodell had forced their testimony, you all would be screaming, rightfully so, that it was unfair to call them when he already knew there was conflicting testimony? And one more thing, Brady didn’t want them there because he could not control what they were going to say. What if, under the threat of perjury, they came clean and said yes, there was an ongoing scheme and yes, Brady knew about it and encouraged it and rewarded them for it? Those two men would need to go into witness protection if they told the truth. The fans in New England would fire bomb their houses!

    ……..

    If Goodell couldn’t call them, then how was he able to have them interviewed 4 times? And there is no “threat of perjury” in a private arbitration case. If that was so then why wasn’t Goodell brought under charges with his dishonest representation of Brady’s testimony in the appeal decision, which he then had his lawyer repeat in open court?

  114. fireroger says: Sep 22, 2016 12:39 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 12:19 PM
    Rpah, Science clearly showed the balls measured below legal limits. Exponent clearly proved that it doesn’t matter what gauge was used, the air pressure in the Pats’ balls was below the rate of the Colts balls.
    =================
    You would be 100% incorrect. Their entire master gauge control was based on a gauge Anderson never claimed to use. Full stop. If we are moving forward under the assumption Anderson is credible he doesn’t need to prove his own testimony (with science or anything else). The responsibility is on Exponent to do that. Which they have yet to do. That not withstanding, where is the scientific data that shows Anderson might actually have recollected correctly?

  115. j0esixpack says: Sep 22, 2016 12:43 PM

    bencoates57 says: The league should have quit while it was head. But now DEFLATEGATE has the world questioning everything, including SPYGATE.
    —————————————-

    There’s really no “question” on Spygate – it’s just that most fans are too lazy to bother to understand what Spygate was.

    Signal filming – frankly filming EVERYTHING on an NFL field and sideline for the entire game is allowed and commonplace. And if some coaches are stupid enough to use the same signals or calls, any team can analyze their legally obtained video and use it to their benefit.

    In 2006 the NFL changed the rule to limit filming to the stands – no more filming from the sideline.

    In the first half of the first game of the 2007 season, the Patriots were in violation of the new 2006 rule. Why this was such a major deal we still can’t understand – but some fans remain clueless that sideline filming is still allowed today.

    Does the violation of a 2006 rule in 2007 invalidate Super Bowls from 2001-2004 – before the rule even existed? I think not but I’m sure the Hatriots fans have some warped logic to say it does.

  116. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 12:45 PM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 12:19 PM

    Rpah, Science clearly showed the balls measured below legal limits. Exponent clearly proved that it doesn’t matter what gauge was used, the air pressure in the Pats’ balls was below the rate of the Colts balls. The Pats have clearly bet their whole case on Anderson’s best recollection. Where is the science that proves human recollection trumps over all the other evidence that he was mistaken. Where is Anderson’s testimony that he was positive on which gauge he used? Where does say that he is so positive that you could hold a gun to his head and he would not change on which guage he used? Thats right, he said to his best recollection he used one guage but it is certainly possible that he used the other. How many people backed up his testimony that the Pats balls were 12.5/12.6 and the Colts balls were 13.0 range? How many officials backed up Jim Mcnally’s testmony and Anderson’s testimony that Brady wants the pressure at 12.5? And didn’t some also say that they were told this by McNally in other games. It is purely illogical to think that Anderson’s best recollection trumps the evidence that he was mistaken.

    …..

    Pats case is based solely on Anderson’s best recollection? That is preposterous. It is Exponent and Wells that based all of their case on it, well part of it. They decided to arbitrarily call Anderson both truthful and forgetful at the same time. Anderson even admits not all of the Pats balls were at 12.5, he said some were 12.6, some might have been below and some Colts balls were below 13. Not a great start for a control group.

    And the gauge “proof” Exponent tries is disasterous as there is exactly zero information on the temperature the footballs were first inflated at before the refs got the balls, what change of temperature the ball was exposed to during transport and how long the time period /temperature changes were between the initial ball boy inflation and the ref inspection.

  117. rpahl13 says: Sep 22, 2016 12:46 PM

    limakey said
    “Science clearly showed the balls measured below legal limits. ”
    As they should have been. What do you think happens when a ball is at 12.5psig (min limit) @ 70F, then brought to a 50F and raining environment? The pressure drops. It can’t not drop.

    “Exponent clearly proved that it doesn’t matter what gauge was used,”
    Wow. No. Exponent didn’t prove anything except that their science can be bought. Isn’t it odd to you that the only scientists (Exponent, Daniel Marlow) who think the Pats are guilty are those hired by the NFL? At least 28 independent scientists/firms think the Pats are innocent. What are the odds on that? If you accept Exponent’s findings at face value, you don’t know science. Two of their experiments are completely fraudulent – and coincidentally damaging to the Patriots’ case.
    There’s their transient curves which suggest wet and dry footballs warm at the same rate (they do not). And there’s the section VIIB experiment which I already covered, didn’t have sufficient data to determine what they say it determined. Fraudulent.

    “air pressure in the Pats’ balls was below the rate of the Colts balls”
    Already covered this. The Pats’ were measured right away at half-time, still cold and wet. The Colts’ were measured at the end of half-time, having had significant time to warm and dry, thus increasing the pressure. Check figs 21/22 in Exponent’s appendix to understand the situation – though I’m sure their experiment didn’t have the footballs getting as wet as they did in the game – they sprayed the ball with a bottle then immediately wiped it off.

    “Where is the science that proves human recollection trumps over all the other evidence that he was mistaken.”
    Well this part doesn’t require science. The proof that Anderson was right lies in the way Exponent presented the two gauges’ needles – measured from different points, the shorter needle’s image enlarged – makes it easier to believe Anderson mistook one for the other. It lies in the fact that Exponent has a reputation as a ‘hired gun’ (determined on behalf of big tobacco that second-hand smoke does not cause cancer). It lies in the fact that Wells mention ‘the deflator’ text six times, but glossed over Jastremski’s text that footballs in the Pats/Jets game were supposed to be 13 but the refs inflated them to 16. That’s the only text where a Patriot/employee mentions an actual target pressure, and Wells didn’t mention that text six times.
    It lies in the section VIIB experiment which could not possibly have determined what they said it determined, due to insufficient data.
    In short, there is zero evidence he was mistaken. There is evidence that Wells and Exponent were seeking a pre-determined conclusion.
    Exponent committed fraud. If you knew science and had read Wells’ report, you wouldn’t need me to explain this to you.
    Try looking up “Exponent’s Corrupt Investigation”

  118. davew128 says: Sep 22, 2016 5:45 PM

    jjackwagon says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:42 PM
    Brady went down because he destroyed evidence and did not cooperate with the investigation. And those ARE facts.

    Common sense would then dictate that he must have had a lot more to lose if he would have cooperated.
    **********************
    Yes, none of which had anything to do with football. You saw how well the league protected the privacy of the emails he provided. Now imagine your wife is a living legend in her home country. I wouldn’t give them the phone either.

  119. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 6:55 PM

    Where does say that he is so positive that you could hold a gun to his head and he would not change on which guage he used? Thats right, he said to his best recollection he used one guage but it is certainly possible that he used the other.

    ……

    Where does it say that he is so positive that you could hold a gun to his head that the Colts balls were at 13 and Pats were at 12.5? It doesn’t. And he admits some Pats balls may have been below, and some at 12.6, and that some Colts balls may have been below 13. And yet that was the jumping off point for everyone.

  120. limakey says: Sep 22, 2016 7:31 PM

    Ved, Two Patriot balls were under 12.5. Anderson said he was told by JM that Brady wanted the balls at 12.5. Other officials heard this. Not only do they remember being told for that game, but in previous games. Both JJ and Sullivan for the Colts testified that they prepared the balls for 12.5 and 13.0. That is how it was determined what gauge Anderson used. The only thing Pats have based their determination on was Anderson’s best recollection. And there was much more to this than which gage was used. Exponent did hundreds and hundreds of tests. The Pats did not hire their own experts, as far as we know. However, I believe if Robert Kraft didn’t hire his own team was because his legal advisors told him not to. 1) It would be almost impossible to hide this from the public and it backfired on the Saints when they did it for Bountygate. And Penn State was destroyed by doing this.

  121. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 10:40 PM

    Exponent had no info on temp and time exposed prior to the ref inspection therefore the use of those balls as the control group is very shaky at best no matter how many experiments are done.And Anderson said Some Colts balls were under 13. And why did Goodell lie about how hard he tried to obtain second Rice tape per Mueller Report and why did he lie about Brady testimony? Not credible.

  122. veddermn8 says: Sep 22, 2016 10:51 PM

    Btw Pats up 20-0 so far with a 3rd string QB and minimal Gronk. Goodell must be choking on his Fresca and caviar.

  123. fireroger says: Sep 23, 2016 10:29 AM

    The reality is the Pats are exonerated if the correct gauge Anderson recalled was used. It’s not even up for debate. That’s why Exponent failed to prove he didn’t use it. Their refusal to even test the theory Anderson might have used that gauge is ultimately what cost them their credibility. You simply cannot prove one gauge was used over another without having both gauges to test with.

    The irony is Exponent had the ability to prove he did use the logo gauge. That gauge read closer to the Patriots gauge (the one that still hasn’t been found and was last seen in the hands of an NFL official) than the non-logo gauge. All they had to do was compare the readings from Anderson to the intercepted football as it was measured by the Patriots gauge. Since the results were closer to that gauge you can reasonable conclude he used the logo gauge. No science. No flawed scientific method. No master gauge (to account for their inability to procure similar non logo gauges). Just plain ole power of deduction.

  124. limakey says: Sep 25, 2016 8:34 PM

    FireRoger, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t argue for both IGL and Anderson’s Best Recollection. How many people testified that the balls were measured at 12.5/6 and 13.0. If he used the guage he said he used, then those measurements would have been off. They would have read hire. However, you completley ignore that hundreds of tests were run and different gages were used. They key has always been the varations. Not the gage.

  125. limakey says: Sep 25, 2016 9:00 PM

    No, there is no exhoration for Brady, period. He obstructed an investigation and he lied on several key issues. No one outside of NE believes any thing Brady said. The comissioner clearly explained in his ruling why he did not believe the story JJ and TB told about their communications. Everything I have read, including Brady’s testimony on this subject is clearly unbelieveable. In fact, it was always Brady’s and the Patriots’ plan was to make all these communications to sound be about the Superbowl preparation. They all tried to say that none of them took this seriously and the deflation of the balls was nothing more than a curiosity. Please note, Brady has not given one specific comment or comments about the allegations. Only it was possible they talked about it but he couldn’t recall details.

  126. veddermn8 says: Sep 26, 2016 5:28 PM

    Brady was exonerated completely and thoroughly by the lack of scientific logic by Exponent who were the only outlet to agree with the NFL and strangely enough, were the only outlet to collect a check from them. Goodell lied about Brady’s testimony in the appeal decision and repeated it in open court which is a pastime of Goodell. He also lied, per the Mueller Report, in his Rice testimony about how hard the NFL went after the second Rice tape. He also lied in a news story on the Rice topic saying the second tape didn’t effect the second suspension, and later in the same week at a press conference, said that in fact it did effect the new punishment. Not credible, every recent investigation he has undertaken has been dismantled afterwards.

  127. limakey says: Sep 26, 2016 9:19 PM

    Ved, Reality check for you, you ask anyone who truly believes that the Pats and TB is guilty will tell you the same basic things, the science, which Exponent clearly explained and the NFL was not strong enough on its own to conclusively prove it. However, it is the circumstantial evidence that supports the science. JM steals the footballs and gives how many version of events? There should be one version, period. Saying I didn’t do it, just doesn’t cut it. JJ lying about his conversations with Brady didn’t help. The texts simply can’t be explained. However, it was Brady’s own words and actions that totally sank his credibility. Goodell had nothing to do with Brady denying the obvious, had nothing to do with his destroying his cell phone. You refuse to see the truth, people who believe Brady is guilty is because of Brady’s own words and actions.

  128. johnwaldron8 says: Sep 26, 2016 9:49 PM

    Regarding the “variety” of gauges used by Exponent during their testing, they obtained dozens of gauges that were identical to the Non-Logo gauge and used those for all of their testing. They claimed they and Ted Wells’ group were unable to obtain any gauges similar to the Logo gauge, which is difficult to believe. Apparently, Walt Anderson had the only one in the country and, when it disappeared, that was it.

    So, when trying to determine the possible variation between two different types of gauges, Exponent ran all of their tests using multiple versions of one type of gauge, not two. They can’t say their tests took every possibility into account when they only simulated one of the two gauges used by Anderson.

  129. limakey says: Sep 26, 2016 10:37 PM

    It was the varations of the readings. It was the flucations. It was the statiscal significance. I am not a scientist, however, anyone can see who did due dilligence and who did not. I accept that experts will respectfully disagree about findings and conclusions. What science can’t explain is the texts, failure to cooperate and the lies. Science and simple logic does not trump human recollection.

  130. veddermn8 says: Sep 27, 2016 12:02 AM

    So no substantive thoughts on Mueller Report, Tagliabue overturning bountygate, Wells terrible job with bullygate, NFL hiding 130mil in shared revenue from players, the denial of and defunding of concussion research, the brady appeal decision lie, the independence of Wells lie, the Massive conflicts of interest in the investigation, or that all of the NFL recent investigations have been riddled with problems (bountygate, bullygate , concusions, rice, Brady etc.) Goodell has no credibility, its indisputable.

  131. veddermn8 says: Sep 27, 2016 12:05 AM

    Exactly zero texts refer to tampering with balls post inspection or refer to a psi under 12.5. Logic and science not funded by NFL have concluded nothing happened no matter how bad you want it.

  132. letmefeelyourlove says: Sep 27, 2016 7:14 AM

    fireroger says:
    Sep 23, 2016 10:29 AM

    The reality is the Pats are exonerated if the correct gauge Anderson recalled was used. It’s not even up for debate. That’s why Exponent failed to prove he didn’t use it. Their refusal to even test the theory Anderson might have used that gauge is ultimately what cost them their credibility. You simply cannot prove one gauge was used over another without having both gauges to test with.
    ___________________________________

    It took me a very long time to realize it, but one doesn’t need both gauges to prove which one Walt Anderson used. While all the attention has been focused on the data Exponent used, it should have been focused on the data Exponent didn’t use.

    I followed Exponent’s lead. I assumed the Colts’ footballs measured 13 psi in the 69 degree shower area prior to the AFCCG, and I used Exponent’s transient curve (Figure 22 in their report) and Gay-Lussac’s Law for my analysis.

    We know that the Pats’ footballs were set to 13 psi at halftime. So using Exponent’s transient curve, we can calculate that the Pats’ footballs were at 64 degrees when they were inflated.

    Next, I compared the well-documented halftime and post-game psi numbers for the Pats’ footballs using the Non-Logo Gauge readings. Gay-Lussac’s Law tells us that the footballs were at 65.4 degrees when measured post-game. With that information it is simple to calculate what the psi of the Colts’ footballs would be when they reached the shower area temperature of 69 degrees.

    With the Non-Logo Gauge, they would measure 12.54 psi, and with the Logo Gauge they would measure 12.90 psi at the shower area temperature. What if the post-game Logo Gauge readings were used instead? At the shower area temperature, the Colts’ footballs would measure 12.15 psi with the Non-Logo Gauge and 12.52 with the Logo Gauge.

    Only with the Logo Gauge do the Colts’ footballs return to their pre-game psi level. Walt Anderson remembered correctly, and the science proves it. He used the Logo Gauge for his pre-game measurements.

  133. fireroger says: Sep 27, 2016 8:57 AM

    No. In the case of deflategate, human bias trumps human recollection. Quite simply, if the Exponent findings proved Anderson wrong they wouldn’t have needed to doctor up photos of the gauges to make them look similar when they were anything but. They also would need to procure a similar gauge to the logo gauge Anderson recalled using to you know, prove him wrong. That not withstanding, Exponent would have needed to procure multiple “different” gauges to establish an effective control. Why? Because we already know there is variability between gauges. Instead they went out and procured multiple gauges similar to (wait for it) the non logo gauge and never adjusted the control for variability. Science can’t explain the texts, failure to cooperate and the lies (those were fabricated in a completely different way) but there is no way Exponent even remotely proved Anderson’s recollection wrong.

  134. fireroger says: Sep 27, 2016 9:26 AM

    D’Qwell Jackson intercepted Brady in the 2nd quarter, and just before halftime, the ball was measured in the locker room, three times, with Jastremski’s gauge. The average of the measurements was 11.52. The other 11 Patriot footballs measured 11.49 (on average) with the Logo Gauge, and 11.11 with the Non-Logo. It’s not even close: Jastremski’s gauge reads almost identically to the Logo Gauge. Therefore, Anderson must have used the Logo Gauge before the game.

    No fictional transient curves (with zero statistical data) and no flawed p-values. The NFL could have saved millions of dollars by just using common sense.

  135. sportschatterdotco says: Sep 27, 2016 10:25 AM

    limakey says:
    Sep 22, 2016 7:31 PM

    Anderson said he was told by JM that Brady wanted the balls at 12.5. Other officials heard this. Not only do they remember being told for that game, but in previous games.

    ——-

    You posted this Lima. Did you actually read it? If so, try reading it again and thinking about what it means.

    Seems like it was made very clear Brady wanted the balls at 12.5, no? So how/why is it his fault if they weren’t?

    I’ll hang up and listen

  136. flaccojumpball says: Sep 27, 2016 2:29 PM

    So bring second hand smoking into this in order to tarnish a company that did an excellent job in exposing the cheating operation further. Nice job. The only reason the Pats got to the Super Bowl was ball manipulation vs the Ravens and Colts. Just awful.

  137. veddermn8 says: Sep 27, 2016 3:34 PM

    flaccojumpball says:
    Sep 27, 2016 2:29 PM

    So bring second hand smoking into this in order to tarnish a company that did an excellent job in exposing the cheating operation further. Nice job. The only reason the Pats got to the Super Bowl was ball manipulation vs the Ravens and Colts. Just awful.
    …………………………..

    Its about credibility, as in Exponent has none. The second hand smoke example is telling in that it shows their science is made to order for their customers. And with Goodell and the NFL’s very problematic recent investigations (ie bountygate, bullygate, concussions, Rice, Brady) , they showed they don’t have any either.

  138. fireroger says: Sep 27, 2016 6:17 PM

    flaccojumpball says:
    Sep 27, 2016 2:29 PM
    So bring second hand smoking into this in order to tarnish a company that did an excellent job in exposing the cheating operation further. Nice job. The only reason the Pats got to the Super Bowl was ball manipulation vs the Ravens and Colts. Just awful.
    =====================
    This coming from somebody who insisted the Pats stole signals last week to beat the Texans.

  139. rottenkid212 says: Sep 28, 2016 2:14 AM

    factpurveyor says:
    Sep 21, 2016 12:23 PM

    Just one of the videos that can be found online that proves that the PSI drops in footballs naturally.

    You can watch video on the popular online video site. Just search for “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

    The reason the NFL hasn’t released the PSI information from the 2015 season is because it shows the same thing that you saw in that video.

    =========================

    That’s a cute video and all, but last time I checked, an NFL football game was not played in a refrigerator and without a warm human being handling the ball. Do you know what happens to a cold football when it is handled by a warm, human being, like maybe a center, quarterback, running back, referee, or a ball boy? If you guessed that it maintains temperature better than just sitting in a refrigerator, you would be correct. Now guess what happens to the air pressure when the balls maintain their temperature. If you guessed that the pressure would be maintained better, you would be correct again. Now add in that the ball is squeezed, patted, caught, and landed on, underneath a pile. Don’t you think the temperature/pressure would be maintained a little better?

    Since the Pats held a time of possession advantage, would it be safe to assume that the pats balls would be a slight bit warmer? Isn’t SCIENCE great?

    Now my guess, as to why the PSI measurements for the 2015 season will never be released, is your boy Roger is protecting Brady, and in turn the NFL. Because footballs actually used in an NFL football game will maintain air pressure much better than if the ball was just sitting in a refrigerator. Please don’t tell me you were absent the day your science teacher discussed friction.

    I do agree with you, that Roger is being dishonest. Just not the way you think. Roger and Tom worked out a deal that protects them both. Take the 4 games for “not cooperating” and we will never bring up cheating again. There is more to the story, but you only know what they want you to know.

    Have a good day and good luck the rest of the season.

  140. veddermn8 says: Sep 28, 2016 10:37 AM

    rottenkid212 says:
    Sep 28, 2016 2:14 AM

    =========================

    That’s a cute video and all, but last time I checked, an NFL football game was not played in a refrigerator and without a warm human being handling the ball. Do you know what happens to a cold football when it is handled by a warm, human being, like maybe a center, quarterback, running back, referee, or a ball boy? If you guessed that it maintains temperature better than just sitting in a refrigerator, you would be correct. Now guess what happens to the air pressure when the balls maintain their temperature. If you guessed that the pressure would be maintained better, you would be correct again. Now add in that the ball is squeezed, patted, caught, and landed on, underneath a pile. Don’t you think the temperature/pressure would be maintained a little better?

    Since the Pats held a time of possession advantage, would it be safe to assume that the pats balls would be a slight bit warmer? Isn’t SCIENCE great?

    Now my guess, as to why the PSI measurements for the 2015 season will never be released, is your boy Roger is protecting Brady, and in turn the NFL. Because footballs actually used in an NFL football game will maintain air pressure much better than if the ball was just sitting in a refrigerator. Please don’t tell me you were absent the day your science teacher discussed friction.

    I do agree with you, that Roger is being dishonest. Just not the way you think. Roger and Tom worked out a deal that protects them both. Take the 4 games for “not cooperating” and we will never bring up cheating again. There is more to the story, but you only know what they want you to know.

    Have a good day and good luck the rest of the season.

    ……..

    But wouldn’t you also say that footballs kept in a bag (Colts balls) during a drizzly, cool day would also keep their temperature better than footballs that were open to the air and rain (Pats balls)? And your body heat point would only hold up if the footballs were constantly being handled, but they can only use one of the 12 at a time and are intermittenly being switched out. Your point might be better suited for something like a basketball were ball-body contact is much more constant and the players are using just one ball.

    And why would you think Roger is somehow helping Brady by burying the PSI results when he spent $5million on a report that was at the very best and by its own admission, inconclusive. And his office constantly leaked bad info to the media throughout the whole investigation thus showing how badly he wanted to win the PR war. If he had more on Brady he would have used it, his office’s behavior throughout proves it. And even he had his attorneys lie in court about Brady testimony. Doesn’t sound very “protective” of Brady at all.

  141. fireroger says: Sep 28, 2016 11:37 AM

    Thanks for the 4 game suspension and tarnished legacy Roger.

    Love.

    Brady

    smh

  142. johnwaldron8 says: Sep 28, 2016 2:10 PM

    Thanks for the 4 game suspension and tarnished legacy Roger.

    Love.

    Brady

    smh
    ——————————–

    Brady and the Patriots are lucky Goodell is helping them out so much.

    On the other hand, look how heavy-handed he is dealing with the Seahawks, Josh Brown and Le’veon Bell.

  143. johnwaldron8 says: Sep 28, 2016 4:24 PM

    ^
    That’s sarcasm, by the way.

  144. fireroger says: Sep 28, 2016 5:22 PM

    Anybody who thinks Goodell is doing Brady a favor by suspending him 4 games for an unproven equipment violation needs to pass whatever they are smoking to the left.

  145. limakey says: Sep 28, 2016 7:44 PM

    Ved, Sincerely, the biggest thing I got, was what I learned as a human being about DV – I knew very little. The most significant and mind blowing fact is that Roger Goodell was told point blank he didn’t need the second tape, he should have got the max punishment just by Rice’s description of what happened. Even Roger’s description that Rice slapped her and she slipped. It didn’t matter if he thought Rice mislead him. I also was very pleased to the report addressing the police and the NFL’s little dance about requesting the second tape versus a formal request of the tape. Again, he was smacked in the face that the NFL can’t defer to the police and, again, he didn’t need it to make the right call the first time.

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