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So which owners have told players to stand for the national anthem?

PHILADELPHIA, PA - DECEMBER 14:  Jason Garrett head coach of the Dallas Cowboys lines up with his team during the national anthem prior to the game against the Philadelphia Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field on December 14, 2014 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images) Getty Images

Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin contends that multiple owners have told players to stand for the national anthem, and that one owner has reminded players that it’s his “stage” on which they are standing.

The next question becomes which owners have issued these mandates?

It’s an important question because neither league rules nor the labor deal allow owners to compel players to stand for the anthem. More specifically, no owner can take action against a player who refuses to comply.

For now, no players have dared to defy their owners by naming those who have ordered them to stand, either on or off the record. Given Baldwin’s quotes, plenty of reporters surely have commenced the process of trying to find out which owners have issued this decree, starting presumably in Dallas.

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  1. skunkb3ar says: Oct 6, 2016 11:48 AM

    Your employer absolutely can tell how you to conduct yourself while on the job. You are trying to complicate something that is very simple, do as you are told by your superiors or suffer consequences.

  2. oldbrowndawg says: Oct 6, 2016 11:51 AM

    Whoever these owners are, they are to be commended for standing up for principle. I lived through a period like this in the 1960s and the memory of it still sickens me. I have spent many years on assignment overseas in many countries and these disrespectful multi-millionnaire divas could use some time in North Korea, Cuba, or China. Maybe then they’d appreciate this great country.

  3. Staticphear says: Oct 6, 2016 11:53 AM

    Of course owners can do something that is detrimental to the teams image.

  4. logicalvoicesays says: Oct 6, 2016 11:54 AM

    This anthem story is dull.
    Land of the free. If non white players want to protest, they are allowed too.
    The ratings aren’t down because of this anthem nonsense.
    The ratings are down because the cable era is over and we are in the pirated/digital era.
    Give us our NFL on our phones and tablets or get out.

  5. nowearman714 says: Oct 6, 2016 11:56 AM

    Hold on…..

    “More specifically, no owner can take action against a player who refuses to comply.”

    Can you expound on this comment? More specifically, where does it say that “no owner can take action against a player who refuses to comply.”

    And please commenters, do NOT spew “1st amendment says so” garbage, thanks in advance.

  6. pftthoughtpolicemostwanted says: Oct 6, 2016 11:56 AM

    Its certainly not all of the owners, which is why I’ve stopped watching.

  7. cobrala2 says: Oct 6, 2016 11:58 AM

    There was a mandate?

  8. eaglesw00t says: Oct 6, 2016 12:00 PM

    I typically don’t take the side of the .01%, but yes…some of these owners are out billions of dollars on a football team, on a stadium, on a brand, on making it family friendly.

    If the team owner does not want to see his team make a demonstration he disagrees with, he should have a right to tell them that.

  9. In Teddy We Trust says: Oct 6, 2016 12:01 PM

    I think it’s more the coaches who are behind this, and not in a bad way. I’m guessing that some coaches have told their team they would prefer that everyone stand for the anthem. If you respect your coach, you’ll stand for the anthem even if you don’t respect your country.

  10. kemp13 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:03 PM

    “I lived through a period like this in the 1960s and the memory of it still sickens me. ”

    What sickens you more? The fact that there were protests, or the social change/civil rights that came about as a result?

  11. MattyD says: Oct 6, 2016 12:04 PM

    Where does it say owners aren’t allowed to discipline players for refusing to stand for the anthem? Couldn’t they just discipline them for “conduct detrimental to the team” if they wanted to? I find it hard to believe that there’s literally nothing an owner could do about it if he wanted players to stand and they refused to follow orders…

  12. silvernblacksabbath says: Oct 6, 2016 12:05 PM

    I totally understand the players doing this BUT what you see on tv is not real…

    CRISIS ACTORS AND GREEN SCREENS..

    Its how they divide and conquer, order from chaos… Wake up!

  13. factschecker says: Oct 6, 2016 12:05 PM

    Ironically oldbrowndawg, in North Korea, Cuba, or China you do not have the freedom to protest. You have to stand. You simply don’t have a choice.

    If you don’t see the irony, you are suggesting that Americans should be more like Koreans, Cubans and the Chinese and blindly follow their governments commands.

  14. sumkat says: Oct 6, 2016 12:05 PM

    Once again, your “legal” opinion is a joke. MAYBE they could make a case that you can not force them to put their hand over their hearts. There is no way, unless it SPECIFICALLY says so in the CBA (it doesn’t) you can say a persons employer isn’t allowed to tell them they have to stand at attention. It’s the same as any “rule” at work. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s stupid, you do it. If you don’t, you live with the consequences

    THEY ARE NOT ON PERSONAL TIME. They are at work, at a job they get paid extremely well for. They DO NOT have the “right” to use their employers showcase to advance their personal agendas. No more than a pro-life player would have the “right” to hold up a picture of a fetus after a partial birth abortion every time the cameras panned the sidelines.

  15. In Teddy We Trust says: Oct 6, 2016 12:07 PM

    So I was looking at my suburban community newspaper last weekend and there was a small headline stating that a police officer had shot and killed a suicidal man who had ignored orders to drop his weapon. It wasn’t the main story on the front page and it was reported in the primary newspaper of the city. The person who was killed was white. If he had been black, does anyone doubt that this story would be leading every network news program and there might be riots in the streets? Kind of makes you think that this problem that so many people are protesting is a media-created perception that doesn’t coincide with reality. The statistics support that view too.

  16. jmethane says: Oct 6, 2016 12:08 PM

    You want to watch a football game on your phone? He’ll no I have a 120″ home theater in my own house. Direct tv, cable, or a chromecast, amazon fire stick is the way to go. 5.1 surround sound broadcast is essential.

    Watch the game on your phone? I watch football games with friends…at the very least my wife and son are there…so you watch games alone. Got it.

    As to the subject…I think jerry Jones is the only owner who would/could say this.

  17. trailerparkking says: Oct 6, 2016 12:10 PM

    I have seen Texans and Browns players actually take action and meet with police and local officials. Kap has done absolutely nothing other than kneel, he’s worthless! All he’s done is flame the fans and disrespect the military. DO SOMETHING!

  18. trailerparkking says: Oct 6, 2016 12:12 PM

    *fan the flames

  19. hrmlss says: Oct 6, 2016 12:15 PM

    I am officially watching no football this weekend. Between the NFL and NCAA there is no hint of a spine. Maybe if the ratings plummet, the networks will
    make the Teams grow a pair. And the Networks should just not show any of them.

  20. chicagobtech says: Oct 6, 2016 12:15 PM

    The answer is?

    None of them.

    Doug Baldwin was reading a quote that was misattributed to Jerry Jones, then Clark Hunt. Turns out it was something created by somebody on Facebook calling themselves Richie Newberry.

  21. sportnorcal says: Oct 6, 2016 12:15 PM

    Who cares?

    Raise your hand if you have rules at your place of work also.

  22. jn213 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:16 PM

    A player has a right to offend anyone with their actions.
    An owner, player, broadcaster or fan should have a right to say anything that they like about that player.
    Even if extremely offensive to that player.
    We used to call that FREEDOM

  23. factschecker says: Oct 6, 2016 12:17 PM

    If they were burning flags outside the stadium (or on the 50 yard line) then I’d totally agree with the outrage. But we are not. Taking a knee is not a sign of disrespect unless you yourself just want to see it that way (which is your personal freedom to do so) I can’t think of a single act where taking a knee was a negative?

    You take a knee to pry. You take a knee when you are Knighted. Coach to his players “Take a knee” (as in sit and listen.)

    He sat 1 time. He had an adult conversation with another adult and he decided that taking a knee was more respectful. Nobody is protesting the military. Not even protesting law enforcement. The protest is against bad law enforcement and the laws and regulations that protect bad law enforcement. Most cops are good. There are bad cops. I doubt anyone disagrees there isn’t bad cops.

    I just saw a clip of the Director of the FBI saying we need to keep better records of all our law enforcement departments. There is no nationwide data base for even the FBI to use.

    Forget about black and white and focus on putting an end to injustice. I can’t understand how an American could not want to help other Americans against injustice? Fighting together is what the Star Spangled Banner is all about.

  24. trailerparkking says: Oct 6, 2016 12:21 PM

    Owners are allowed to ask players not to kneel. Owners aren’t allowed to coerce players to stand but they are allowed to ask them not to kneel. And if the team is in an “at will” state I’m pretty sure they can terminate employment without notice or cause. At least that’s what the law says.

  25. sportscommentsblog says: Oct 6, 2016 12:23 PM

    An employer with a union labor force can’t make new rules without entering negotiations with the union. If there is a rule on the books already that is one thing, but when there aren’t, they can’t mandate it or punish union employees for failure to abide by it.

    skunkb3ar says:
    Oct 6, 2016 11:48 AM

    Your employer absolutely can tell how you to conduct yourself while on the job. You are trying to complicate something that is very simple, do as you are told by your superiors or suffer consequences.

  26. teal379 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:28 PM

    Players don’t get to tell people what they’re doing isn’t disrespectful – we’ve learned that from the Redskins debate – remember?

    So if some people find it disrespectful – it should stop or change, so say those that champion team name change in DC.

    That said – true oppression doesn’t allow for protest. I think some of these players have an extremely narrow view of the world and life.

    Statistically speaking – whites are killed by police at a much higher rate than non-whites. The reality is – black lives don’t matter to black people unless there’s profit in it – see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. None are protesting the thousands of black men murdered by black men because there’s no money in it – more to be made from taking advantage of police v black deaths.

  27. logicalvoicesays says: Oct 6, 2016 12:29 PM

    You want to be a sheep and pay absurd amounts to the Cable compabies. You are part of the problem. The ratings are down because people have smartened up HDMI cable buy it and connect it to your phone or tablet. Same quality.

  28. braddavery says: Oct 6, 2016 12:33 PM

    It takes a special kind of weirdo to boycott the NFL over some players acting within their constitutional rights. But hey, it’s working. Numbers are down for the NFL. Great job, weirdos. lol It’s workiiiiiiiiing!

  29. grumpyoleman says: Oct 6, 2016 12:35 PM

    I bet 2 of them are the Redskins and the Detroit team.

  30. phacepalm says: Oct 6, 2016 12:37 PM

    These are the teams I will NOT be watching this week, because they have members of the Krapernick Klan.

    49ers
    Broncos
    Rams
    Chargers
    Redskins
    Raiders
    Titians
    Dolphins

    The Colts are off the list for now, because they cut that baby making fool earlier this week.

  31. weepingjebus says: Oct 6, 2016 12:40 PM

    The most absurd part is that Kaep is trying to get fired. This whole thing was a self interested stunt by a failed QB trying to get one last payday in the form of a discrimination lawsuit. But the Niners won’t take the bait. He can’t even flame out properly.

  32. saltineamerican says: Oct 6, 2016 12:40 PM

    A football player is an employee of the team. When a player is at a game, he’s “on the clock”. Do what your boss tells you or get rolled. At my place of employment, there is an American flag hanging above the exit. If I did something to disrespect it while on the clock, they’d send me down the road, kicking a can. It’s really that simple.

  33. ariani1985 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:43 PM

    does being fleeced with fake stock count as being an owner?

  34. nomdeplume01 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:47 PM

    They would take all the disgruntled players and put then on one new team and move it to Venezuela, hopefully this team will get enough to eat during the week.

  35. ebdug says: Oct 6, 2016 12:47 PM

    If Baldwin didn’t include the name of the owner then it’s just a baseless accusation.

  36. Irsay's Bong says: Oct 6, 2016 12:49 PM

    The player is at work wearing a uniform, there is no right to free speech on the job. Anyone or any player can express any feelings they have on their own time, via twitter, or any other means. But when you at your job in uniform you represent the team and your employer, not your own feelings.

  37. mcgil38 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:49 PM

    Who sits alone and watches an NFL game on their phone?

  38. zackd2 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:50 PM

    CBA people, CBA.

    This isn’t Joe Smith working part time at McDonalds. They have a CBA, get over it.

  39. monsterscream says: Oct 6, 2016 12:50 PM

    If Kap doesn’t replace, Gabbert soon, Chip won’t have to worry about which players do or don’t stand for the anthem bcuz he won’t be a head coach for long anyway.

  40. peytonwantsaflag says: Oct 6, 2016 12:51 PM

    It’s an important question because neither league rules nor the labor deal allow owners to compel players to stand for the anthem. More specifically, no owner can take action against a player who refuses to comply
    ——————————————

    I’m curious, is it also in the CBA or league rules that the players must run, throw, catch, and tackle?

  41. Irsay's Bong says: Oct 6, 2016 12:51 PM

    braddavery says:
    Oct 6, 2016 12:33 PM
    It takes a special kind of weirdo to boycott the NFL over some players acting within their constitutional rights. But hey, it’s working. Numbers are down for the NFL. Great job, weirdos. lol It’s workiiiiiiiiing!
    ———————————————————-

    It’s not a constitutional right when you are at work….

  42. jay6666 says: Oct 6, 2016 12:52 PM

    oldbrowndawg says:
    Oct 6, 2016 11:51 AM

    Whoever these owners are, they are to be commended for standing up for principle. I lived through a period like this in the 1960s and the memory of it still sickens me. I have spent many years on assignment overseas in many countries and these disrespectful multi-millionnaire divas could use some time in North Korea, Cuba, or China. Maybe then they’d appreciate this great country.
    ==================================
    Let’s see…….mandating that one HAS TO stand for an anthem…. THAT seems more like something DEMANDED in North Korea, Cuba or China!!!!!
    THAT sir is what you are advocating…I think you are confused about what FREEDOM really is.

  43. rdkbag says: Oct 6, 2016 1:00 PM

    Maybe Doug Baldwin is a lier.

  44. whooligun says: Oct 6, 2016 1:04 PM

    Players didn’t have to stand on the field during the anthem until 6-7 years ago when the Department of Defense PAID the NFL to make the players come out. It’s all part of the American propaganda machine and a lot of you “outraged” people are buying in hook, line & sinker.

  45. mccarthyisamoron says: Oct 6, 2016 1:04 PM

    Better call Saul.

  46. atahualpaoxford says: Oct 6, 2016 1:07 PM

    The NFL is allowing this problem to grow for absolutely no reason.
    There is no obligation to play the national anthem before games. The players are not playing for the USA, but rather for tems representing cities or states.
    I can understand if they want to play the anthem on special occasions , 4th. of July type of thing.
    But I’m sure that the idea behind having an anthem for the country was not so they play it before every darn single football, baseball or hockey game.
    Stop the anthem and you stop the problem….

  47. maust1013 says: Oct 6, 2016 1:08 PM

    I call bs. Players have contracts, the only ones that have anything to fear from coming forward about an owner banging on them over this are 2nd & 3rd tier guys.

  48. maverick2560 says: Oct 6, 2016 1:12 PM

    I do believe in the absolute right to protest in a non-violent, non-
    confrontational manner. That said an owner does have an absolute
    right to instruct his or her employees as to what they prefer. If the
    employee does not listen then the employer may, if she or he sees fit,
    to go in another direction. Here the players may have union protection
    but that has not seemed to have been an issue so far.
    So it comes down to how musch leverage a player may have or how
    much tolerance an owner may have.
    As to college players they should have different protection than a
    professional. In light many if not all colleges receive federal aide
    the players should be allowed to do as they please. The NCAA
    should have no say in effecting the players basic rights. The NCAA
    is already abusing the football, players by not cutting them in
    on the revenue. It is disgusting how little D-1 football players get
    for being the product that creates billions of dollars of revenue.

  49. atahualpaoxford says: Oct 6, 2016 1:13 PM

    Correction: teams, not tems…

  50. trailerparkking says: Oct 6, 2016 1:21 PM

    I could be wrong about the “at will” thing. The CBA could trump state employment laws. People with direct experience please chime in.

  51. pat123438 says: Oct 6, 2016 1:32 PM

    Obsess much?

  52. sariff420 says: Oct 6, 2016 2:21 PM

    People are so dumb. No one else does the anthem before they start their work day except for pro athletes and maybe the army. Your boss cant make you stand for the anthem while you’re at work and these nfl owners shouldn’t either

  53. charger383 says: Oct 6, 2016 2:38 PM

    Playing National Anthem at sporting events was pushed by Democratic President Franklin Roosevelt.

  54. charger383 says: Oct 6, 2016 2:44 PM

    As to CBA and rules; they changed rules with out asking the Union examples; ejection for 2nd penalty for some violations. changes to kicking game, ect ect

  55. lambeaudungbarn says: Oct 6, 2016 3:17 PM

    This Country is quickly becoming, “the will of the ONE outweighs the will of the Many).
    These players are employed and at the employers work-site.
    They have the right on their own time but anything disturbing their performance or that of other employees
    Can be banned.

  56. pftstory says: Oct 6, 2016 3:25 PM

    Why is it that because Baldwin contends he believes some owners did this that its now a matter of finding out which one(s)?

    Maybe Baldwin is wrong…

  57. rcali says: Oct 6, 2016 3:50 PM

    Hmm, based on some rough numbers it continues to be less than 20% who seem to support the NFL Employee protests. That’s an ugly number for the NFL as I’d bet the 80%+ make up, on a person by person basis, the most revenue.

  58. devildoginasia says: Oct 6, 2016 3:58 PM

    We are responsible for our conduct while on company time. Period.
    We don’t bring our agendas to the office, we are there to get a job done.
    These pansies who have jumped on this ill-fated bandwagon are merely seeking attention.
    After work, organize something meaningful. Get involved, lead from the front and set an example.
    Semper Fi!

  59. timothy131 says: Oct 6, 2016 4:11 PM

    spent four years in the Corp and no one tells me to do squat.Ill stand because i want to the owners can kiss off

  60. arvinkp says: Oct 6, 2016 4:13 PM

    My employer doesn’t allow me to demostate or promote social causes while in uniform or when working in an official capacity. Why should NFL owners?

  61. winninaintsinnin says: Oct 6, 2016 6:55 PM

    All of you who think it’s a personal rights thing are cracked.

    My employees don’t have the right to where Nazi symbols to work and expect to get paid.

    Game day is the ultimate employer environment.

    They should dock pay based on conduct detrimental to the organization.

  62. Lori M says: Oct 6, 2016 7:03 PM

    The NFL has been able to dictate uniform guidelines that specify no deviations such as special colored shoes, pins, eye black, etc.

    Sooo…why not specify that uniforms must be in a standing position during the anthem??? If a player is in that uniform and can sit while his uniform stands, then good for him.

  63. charger383 says: Oct 6, 2016 9:16 PM

    If Giants old coach could say players have to be 5 minutes early to be on time, the owners can say players will respect the flag and National Anthem.

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