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Las Vegas fight is looming

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The Raiders’ push to Las Vegas could soon hit a roadblock.

Amid gradual-but-real momentum that the Raiders may move from Oakland to Nevada, a fight among ownership could be looming. Round one could happen later this month, when owners gather in Houston for a quarterly meeting.

Influential owners like Jerry Jones of the Cowboys want to put a team in a market that makes up for a lack of size with a lot of sizzle. More traditional owners are beginning to become more and more concerned about the possibility of putting a franchise in the nation’s gambling capital, per a source with knowledge of the situation.

For now, those opposed to having a team in Las Vegas have been quiet. Giants owner John Mara at one point suggested that gambling would be a non-starter for a potential Vegas move. (He has since softened his assessment.) No other owners have spoken publicly in such blunt terms — or in any terms at all.

As the wheels continue to move toward a potential move, it’s believed that more and more owners will ask tough questions about the wisdom of having players living in an environment where gambling is prevalent, where prostitution is legal, and where drug use is commonplace.

The argument, as to the gambling, will be that plenty of teams are headquartered in cities where casinos are accessible. Still, there’s no NFL team in a city where gambling is everywhere, in all forms and fashions including wagering on sports. With plenty of young players on every NFL team, the temptations will result in plenty of concerns about their friendships and associations in a town where all roads and walkways lead to a place where bets are made.

Then there’s the reality that Oakland is rebounding, and that it could be a viable location for the Raiders if/when a stadium solution can be identified. The problem is that an Oakland stadium likely would have to be built without public money. In Las Vegas, up to $750 million in free cash could be available.

The move can be blocked with only nine owners (unless, of course, Raiders owner Mark Davis chooses to sue in an effort to force his was to Las Vegas). As of May, those who know the lay of the land were having a hard time spotting nine no votes. Now that the move is starting to crystallize, it could be time for nine or more to smash the idea into smithereens.

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  1. jakec4 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:12 PM

    “Players living in an environment where gambling is prevalent, where prostitution is legal, and where drug use is commonplace.” Describes every US city basically. Prostitution is not legal within Las Vegas city limits I believe.

  2. salscobrakai says: Oct 9, 2016 8:13 PM

    Just because drugs, prostitution and gambling aren’t legal outside of Vegas doesn’t mean it’s not happening EVERYWHERE in America. People act like NYC, Miami, LA etc is Amish country with no illegal temptations for players.

  3. joetoronto says: Oct 9, 2016 8:13 PM

    When push comes to shove the owners will approve it, because they know the Raiders will move with or without their approval.

    Might as well save face.

  4. dhoier says: Oct 9, 2016 8:15 PM

    Mike, prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas.

  5. tbone4444 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:17 PM

    Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas. Nor is drug use any more common place than in EVERY NFL city…and every non NFL city for that matter.

  6. badmude says: Oct 9, 2016 8:19 PM

    “As the wheels continue to move toward a potential move, it’s believed that more and more owners will ask tough questions about the wisdom of having players living in an environment where gambling is prevalent, where prostitution is legal, and where drug use is commonplace.”

    Are they talking about New Jersey???

  7. lsuzilla says: Oct 9, 2016 8:22 PM

    Oakland is rebounding??????

  8. jasons81 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:30 PM

    Well if Mara says no then it just won’t happen, Goodell will see to it

  9. chippys lost binky says: Oct 9, 2016 8:32 PM

    Still, there’s no NFL team in a city where gambling is everywhere, in all forms and fashions including wagering on sports. With plenty of young players on every NFL team, the temptations will result in plenty of concerns about their friendships and associations in a town where all roads and walkways lead to a place where bets are made.

    But London would be just fine…

  10. harrisonhits2 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:34 PM

    The owners make billions off normal league operations

    Now they make additional billions from their shadow ownership of the daily fantasy gambling sites

    Yet they still want to extort their buildings from the public

    No city or state should ever give the NFL a single penny ever again

  11. jaymeister says: Oct 9, 2016 8:40 PM

    Yes, because we all know that NFL players NEVER take part in illegal, unwholesome or immoral activities in any other city. Simple because something is legal does not mean someone will do it, just as something being illegal won’t necessarily prevent someone from doing it. Its all up to the person.

  12. genoinabottlenyj says: Oct 9, 2016 8:54 PM

    Nye county has legal prostitution. about an hour or so outside of Vegas. However, every city has a casual encounters section on craigslist that offers “companionship” for a mere “donation” of “Roses”

    I believe “roses” are available all over the country as well.

  13. mdintino1420 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:56 PM

    The NV lawmakers are voting on the Las Vegas stadium tomorrow. Mark Davis has committed $500 million to the project. The Raiders are finished in Oakalnd!!!

    RIP Oakland Raiders!!!!!!!!!

  14. mdintino1420 says: Oct 9, 2016 8:59 PM

    With Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn on board, there is plenty of money to get this done. The $750 million in hotel taxes will be made back times 1,ooo with all the events that will take place in the new Vegas stadium. Super Bowls in Las Vegas will be off the charts!!!!!

  15. charger383 says: Oct 9, 2016 9:02 PM

    how many people vacation in Oakland?

  16. slick50ks says: Oct 9, 2016 9:03 PM

    The silent majority simply won’t allow it. It’s dead on arrival.

  17. The Truth says: Oct 9, 2016 9:25 PM

    The idiot owners are worried about putting a team in an area with gambling ????? Without fan duel, fantasy leagues and super bowl squares you’d have eleven people watching every sunday !

  18. The Truth says: Oct 9, 2016 9:27 PM

    Lmao ! Without fan duel, fantasy leagues and super bowl squares the NFL wouldn’t have 11 people watching !

  19. dejadoh says: Oct 9, 2016 9:36 PM

    I flew from Burbank to Oakland this morning. Easy. Sunny and cooler than Vegas anyday.

  20. pastabelly says: Oct 9, 2016 9:42 PM

    Easy for John Mara to comment on the Oakland situation when he has most of the NY City market following his team. The Vegas NFL connection would seem to work on many levels and the NFL has already exacted its revenge on the Davis family.

  21. bigotshamer says: Oct 9, 2016 11:21 PM

    It’s not a fight if you know you can’t lose.

  22. ajames35 says: Oct 10, 2016 11:03 AM

    The continued worry about gambling, prostitution, and sports betting is idiotic.

    First, gambling… Casinos already are located pretty close to most NFL cities. The players are adults and will do whatever they want anyway. Are they *not* getting in trouble today without a franchise in Vegas? Are they not already spending $ on entertainment? LMAO. You can get in more trouble than legal gambling in any city in America.

    Second, prostitution… Spoiler alert: it’s not legal in Vegas. Of course it occurs, but it occurs in every city. Let’s stop being naive. It’s legal in another part of NV, though.

    Third, sports betting… The continued worry over this is silly. If bettors could affect games with regularity, they’d already be doing it. Wagering is simple online, and it’s legal now in most developed countries with few issues. Opposition is based on notional myths, not logic.

  23. ajames35 says: Oct 10, 2016 11:10 AM

    If NFL owners are worried about sports wagering, yet endorse and own DFS services, that’s laughable. The business model and concept are so similar.

  24. radrntn says: Oct 10, 2016 4:24 PM

    Yep, Las Vegas is the only place where drug use is common place. No where in the US are drugs a concern.

    Like I said looking forward to the cheerleaders doing their entertainment on the goalposts.

    Go Raiders!!!! Let these owners take on Sheldon….he will eat them alive.

  25. jjackwagon says: Oct 11, 2016 10:27 AM

    Stop already, everyone knows that the NFL will extort every dollar possible from the fans. There is more money to be had in Vegas. End of story.

  26. idiedpretty says: Oct 11, 2016 1:08 PM

    The NFL wants a team in Vegas, just not a team owned by Mark Davis who doesn’t have a clue how to profitably operate an NFL franchise. Can you imagine the League embarrassment of having a brand new gleaming stadium in Sin City and within a year, 1/3 of it is tarped up and the remainder is a highly drunken Halloween party with lethal fist and blade fights? Umm no. Keep the Raiders in Oakland. It is a perfect marriage.

  27. lunarpie says: Oct 11, 2016 1:36 PM

    NFL needs to STAY OUT OF SIN CITY! The league as a whole as already been polluted with lies, greed and other scandals.


  28. Slapshot says: Oct 11, 2016 11:09 PM

    You can bet that the influential Jerrah will make sure he persuades the owners to agree to the move to Vegas. This relocation will ensure, at least for now, that no team will be trying to move into San Antonio–something Jerrah does not want to happen.

  29. nfella says: Oct 12, 2016 12:28 AM

    It has nothing to do with prostitution or gambling.

    It has to do with the resurrection of old mafia ties to both the early years of Football (Geroge Halas and Charles Bidwell of note), and the early foundation of Vegas and gambling in general.

    The league doesn’t need to have some Showtime special about The NFL’s Dirty Secret, or the MSM turning the full-circle aspect of it becomming a byline.

  30. whathaveyou55 says: Oct 12, 2016 12:55 AM

    Mark Davis and the Raiders organization would be perfectly willing to stay in Oakland–if there was a new stadium. The People’s Republic of California won’t put up any money and no doubt has assembled a task force to figure out any number of ways to delay, defer, deny, and extort should the Raiders make an effort to build a stadium privately.

    They think Davis will play their game. He won’t.

    So he’ll move the team to LV, whether the puppet regime of Roger Goodell Himself Live And In Person, Celebrity Commissioner, and his masters with the Giants like it or not. The whole “betting is bad” and “look at all the temptations” stuff is garbage, as drugs, prostitution, and mayhem in general are available in any NFL city. Heaven knows it’s all there within a mile of my city’s NFL stadium–drugs, pros, even a (OMG!) casino.

    Granted, there’s no legal sports betting here, but I don’t get the idea that betting is harmless if not in the city of a team, but terrible if you can lay a $20 on your team in your town. Do you think NFL players would throw their careers away just to bet on a few games? Do you think they’re as stupid as (Vegas resident) Pete Rose?

  31. hannibalelector says: Oct 12, 2016 11:10 AM

    Don’t you get it? Al Davis already took the NFL to the cleaners over their move LA. There is absolutely nothing the NFL can legally do to prevent Marc Davis from moving to Vegas. Remember when the Raiders moved back to Oakland leaving the LA market abandoned? The NFL could not do a thing. If this move is blocked, the state of Nevada could join a lawsuit and soak the NFL for hundreds of millions, maybe billions of dollars.

  32. raiderheart says: Oct 12, 2016 9:47 PM

    Goodbye home field advantage! You’ll probably have to tour a time share to get a ticket.

  33. jedsajerk says: Oct 13, 2016 12:51 AM

    Sure Mark, move to Vegas without our approval but were not loaning $200 million for the stadium.
    What’s that you say? You need that $200 million loan as part of the $500 million you pledged? Ah gee, to bad go ask your sugar daddy Sheldon for it.

    But hey, stay in Oakland and we have $300 million for you

  34. ipowers2002mrgood4nothing says: Oct 13, 2016 1:07 AM

    Oakland is rebounding. In fact, the city has seen the highest rent increase of any major city in the WORLD and has the 4th highest rent in the country. Uber is opening an office there and developers are flocking like crazy to build new high rise apartment and condos in the next couple of years. All of this can be found with a simple Google search. Unless you live there, you should only talk what you know

  35. ipowers2002mrgood4nothing says: Oct 13, 2016 1:08 AM

    Quite a few people vacation in Oakland and the rest of the Bay Area

  36. ipowers2002mrgood4nothing says: Oct 13, 2016 1:10 AM

    There is actually more money to be had in the Bay Area. It is the wealthiest region in America

  37. ipowers2002mrgood4nothing says: Oct 13, 2016 1:13 AM

    The state of Nevada and anybody else they can find can file a lawsuit. Each owner has signed legal binding documents stating that they will not sue the league over relocation matters.

  38. raidersbelonginoakland says: Oct 13, 2016 3:32 PM

    Lv is a party city for tourest all the players will get caught up in gambling, partying and ect. Lv is not a storts city, theres way mote money to be made in the bay area. I meen with all the big cities in the bay there has to be some other city to move them to if not oakland. Vegas will mess up the whole teams future….STAY AWAY FROM VEGAS , STAY IN OAKLAND!

  39. cdatzker says: Oct 14, 2016 2:43 AM

    The Raiders are playing a major game with The fine people in Las Vegas. As a Former Raider Fan, Al Davis, Mark’s Father is all the Benjamins. I think that The NFL Owners could block the move as The Raiders were meeting with Santa Rosa Officials this week. I think that The Carson Area of Los Angeles would be a safe bet as The City has plans to build a $10 Billion Dollar State of The Art Stadium. Mark Davis is trying to get The Former Keiser Stadium and build a new $5 Billion Dollar Stadium. I feel bad for Las Vegas as Mark Davis got another big offer to move the team to Sacramento, Ca. If I were from your area, I would want a brand new expansion team. I hear that Jacksonville and Tennessee may be available too. Look for Apple Computers and alot of software companies to be on the inside.

  40. prestigious1 says: Oct 14, 2016 8:34 PM

    Fight looming? On what grounds? What NFL owner is saying no to $750 million in free money? There’s nothing they love more than watching other people pay for their stadiums. It’ll be very hard for any of them to tell the Raiders no. Especially after they worked so hard to keep the Raiders out of LA. They told Mark Davis to go back to the drawing board and he drew up a masterpiece of a move to Vegas. And I don’t think gambling will be that big of an issue. New Orleans, Cleveland and Miami are just a few cities with casinos within city limits and they all have NFL teams. San Diego has a few casinos within driving distance of downtown. Yet I never heard any complaints. Furthermore, there are NFL teams that play in states where weed is legal. Long story short, a player can get into trouble in any city in America.

    The only reason I could see them blocking the Raiders is if they want to keep a city open as leverage in future negotiations. If the Chargers move to LA and the Raiders move to Vegas, the NFL will have very little leverage to use against other cities. That’s important considering there will be a new crop of teams looking for local municipalities to cough up for a new stadium in the not so distant future.

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