Giants measured Steelers footballs at 11.4, 11.8 PSI

AP

No, the Giants did not make a “formal complaint” about the Steelers using underinflated footballs last Sunday. Yes, the Giants alerted the league office to the team’s belief that two of the footballs recovered via turnovers were measured below the 12.5 PSI minimum.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, one ball was measured at 11.4 PSI and the other ball was measured at 11.8 PSI.

Both turnovers came in the second half. The Giants recovered a fumble with 7:12 to play in the third quarter and intercepted a pass with 44 seconds left in the third quarter.

The broader question becomes the expected PSI levels of the footballs when they were measured by the Giants, based on the pregame inflation of the footballs (they could have been as low as 12.5 before being brought to the field), the temperature at kickoff and, in turn, the pressure loss in the first half, the pressure increase when the balls were taken back inside during the 12-minute intermission (which necessarily is limited by the trip to the officials’ locker room and the trip back outside), the pressure decrease in the third quarter before the Giants acquired possession of the footballs, and the delay between the end of the plays that resulted in the Giants getting the balls and the measurement of the balls by the Giants.

Throw in the possibility that the Giants air-pressure gauges reveal conflicting numbers than the official gauges, and it becomes impossible to conclude that PSIs of 11.8 and 11.4 suggest deliberate deflation.

Look for the league to continue to say nothing, even if there’s a reasonable explanation for the footballs being under 12.5 PSI. The NFL wisely has avoided disclosing that footballs have been measured below 12.5 PSI during spot checks in cold-weather games, presumably to prevent the disclosure of any evidence that would suggest that the numbers observed at halftime of the January 2015 AFC title game indicate the normal operation of science and not foul play.

194 responses to “Giants measured Steelers footballs at 11.4, 11.8 PSI

  1. It is never the crime it is always the cover-up.

    If the NFL had simply admitted it was stupid and screwed up in not considering the Ideal Gas Law millions would have been saved along with its credibility.

  2. tylawspick6 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:07 PM
    wow

    goodell’s corruption exposed again but no
    one cares

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    Report comment

    No one cares about a Pat’s Weiner whining for sure.

  3. As a Patriots fan, I find the double standard disgusting, but I don’t think Big Ben or the Steelers did anything wrong. I think this is what probably happens in every game when air pressure in balls drops in colder weather as the game progresses.

    The disgraceful scumbags in the NFL league office know the truth but are so devoid of character and ethics that they’ll continue to stick to their party line on Deflategate to keep their power.

  4. The NFL, as an organization, is as egregious in their conduct as any for-profit (and some not for profit, ahem Clinton foundation) in the US. It boggles my mind that they wouldn’t admit they messed up with Brady the first time, but, as a lawyer, I understand it goes deeper than that. They can’t admit fault, based on the pro NFL decision of the appeals court, otherwise they won’t have a precedent to smash players in the future, for any reason THEY deem fit. But what about good old fashioned right vs. wrong, and admitting fault where applicable. The scum at park ave. probably giggles over the fact that they jumped to a conclusion, found no evidence to support it, and still fooled 65-75% percent of the US. It is true, that most people are stupid. Fact.

  5. These stories (low PSI balls) are so, so stupid. This is a game about blocking and tackling, running and catching. As long as both offenses are using the same balls, who gives a damn.

  6. Roger Goodell and his idiots on park ave are no t Bing more t Han well paid idiots. Wells conducted a comprehensive investigation against Brady and reached conclusions that were hyperbolic.

    Only on appeal, did the NFL acknowledge that it didn’t consider the ideal gas law.

    The NFL has jumped the shark. Surely the world has enough billionaires to start a rival league. I’m talking to you and the nj generals, Trump. Money to be made.

  7. The first thing I do when there is an obvious scientific explanation, is rush out to my driveway and crush my cell phone by driving over it.

  8. So what….

    The Colts ball were below pressure and what happens to them?

    Crickets…….

    It was a personal vendetta between Roger and the Patriots

  9. Teams should be able to put the air pressure at whatever they want on the football. Who cares?
    R E A L L Y !
    Grow up NFL !
    My friends and I are getting real tired of NFL sucking the fun out of the league.

  10. What a bunch of Cheaters the Stealers are!! Cheaters, put asterisks next to all their trophys! Cheaters! I always knew they were doing something. Cheating coach trying to trip players.

    See how stoopid it sounds Steeler faithful. Welcome to New England!

  11. Roethsliberger must have been aware. He touched those footballs more than any other player on his team. If the Giants players could tell the footballs were deflated, so could Roethsliberger.

  12. this validates the pats x 1000

    the fact the giants did this, actually validates the pats, but also means bigben needs to be suspended 4 games and pitt to lose a 1st and 4th rder

    and to think the creator of framegate (little johnnie whinebaugh) will be facing an angry brady tomorrow night

    brady to drop 40+

  13. We may all have grown weary of that pesky science-thingy proving the NFL front office is full of ignorant, sneaky, and lying dolts, but you have to give credit to Florio, the ONLY national media person who didn’t sell his soul to the devil and the NFL over framegate.

    While the mob was in a frenzy to destroy the Patriots, Florio investigated the drama from a neutral point of view and put his Carnegie Mellon education to good use.

    And for that, he has my respect.

  14. Goodell is a wise and even-handed leader, despite what all the New England riffraff believes.
    The NFL has proven in court and with science without a doubt that the only way balls get to be below 12.5psi during a game is by willful and concerted subterfuge.
    You can count on Roethlisberger getting suspended for 4 games, his team being fined a million dollars and losing a first round pick.
    You can take it to the bank. In Roger we trust.

  15. 11.4 and 11.8, and there’s no investigation???

    If you didn’t believe before that Goodfellas has it in for New England, it’s crystal clear now.

  16. Can someone clarify one thing for me – did the equipment handler (who disappeared into a locked bathroom with the Pats game balls) quit or was he fired after taking the fall for Brady and the Patriots organization? And, has anyone checked his lifestyle since his departure? If it were me, I’d want a big paycheck for taking the hit for that deed. Otherwise, I’d be singing like a canary.

  17. C’mon Mikey! You’re a bulldog on the subject of how inept the league handled the initial frame job. Now I understand your a bit of a Steeler fan but I believe you to be a man of, dare I say it? Integrity. Don’t let the NFL and Goodell slide on this obvious attempt to sweep yet another embarrassment under the carpet. Smells like there’s a whiff of smoke here. Now go ferret out the fire. By the way I don’t know if it’s just coincidence but ya’ll realize the Steelers played the week previous to the giants game. I wonder who might have tipped the Giants off? Hummmm.

  18. So the NFL offices in New York call the New York Giants liars !
    The Stealer ranked #3 biggest cheaters according to “your team cheats” get off clean ?
    Protect the shield!
    Hypocrites !

  19. The good news is that all we need to do to determine likely tampering is compare these measurements to the public database of league wide psi measurements created by the oh right.

  20. I didn’t see a mention of the Steelers tampering with footballs on the evening news. Maybe Matt Lauer will weigh in tomorrow morning. I hope Roethlisberger is prepared when someone in the media asks him to explain his cheating to the children.

  21. Interested to see how Roger stonewalls, lies, manipulates his way through this situation. You know it won’t be investigated and resolved with honesty and integrity

  22. Its been cold the last few days in Rhode Island. Last night an indicator I had never seen before came on in my car.

    Yup, that’s right, it was the low tire pressure indicator. Tires that had all been at 35 psi a few days earlier were at 29, 30, 31 and 31 psi this morning when I went to put air in.

    According to Goodell and his cronies that could only have happened if I or someone else intentionally took air out of my tires yesterday.

    I didn’t think it was possible but Goodell seems to find ways to look more and more stupid every single day.

  23. The Giants are doing everything they can to try to displace blame from how bad they truly are. They got stomped by the Steelers & can’t stop crying about it…in typical NY fashion. Grow up children!!!

  24. Why will the Steelers escape punishment?

    It’s simple – think about how speeding tickets work. Hundreds of cars pass through a speed trap, but the police are very selective about who they pull over. It’s usually the red Ferrari. And that’s who the Patriots are.

    The Camaro’s and Mustangs are free to go about their business.

  25. The Giants are terrible…but have to blame something other than themselves. The refs in that game gave NY every opportunity & the Giants just sucked so bad that not even the refs could give them the game!

  26. If you say PSI it’s like throwing chum in the water to draw sharks…Patriot crybabies flock to this site from the crave….pitiful lot them Cheaties fans…funny autocorrect put the cap on Cheaties….what does that tell you…cheetahs

  27. What a shocka! It’s not that there was anything shady going on in the game. It’s that the league is run by a bunch of corrupt liars, that can’t even admit when they KNOW they are wrong. Why do you think the league never released the data on their ‘random’ checks? They already know the truth.

    How stupid do the haters/believers feel now?

  28. There was no complaint because there was no infraction. Typical Nyerkers…can’t take responsibility for how bad they are when compared against the rest of the country. NY & LA…the zombia lands.

  29. .
    Q. How did ESPN cover the infraction?

    A. Some twit named, Kevin Seifert, printed Goodell’s talking points and signed his name to it. There’s nothing lower than a journalistic tool.
    .

  30. Headline should be “Steelers allowed to play with (a) ball 1 pound under inflated, Patriots fined historic amount for same.”

    Something tells me 345 Park Avenue isn’t accepting calls right now from the 508 area code…

  31. No names, no accusation, Referees state specifically that ball protocal was followed. This report is about as reliable as the Al Jazerra doping report last year. Probably just Kraft buying propaganda again…

  32. As a Brady fan bla, bla bla, this story is not good for anyone. The picks are lost the suspension has been served. Ben saying they played with nurf balls is poking the NFL in the eye. Anyone with a brain knows footballs and tires drop in the cold. No way the NFL does anything to the Steelers nor should they. Watching the NFL sequim and do nothing the will futher prove the case against Brady was crap.

  33. Cheaters. Asterisks on all Roethlisberger’s Superbowls! 11.4PSI is less than the Patriots footballs were!

    Also, for some reason my tires were underinflated this morning. I wish the kids in the neighborhood would stop tampering with my tires when it gets cold. As we all know there is no other reason for my tires to lose air pressure.

  34. Because of what the NFL did to the Patriots now people actually believe this is some kind of advantage. It isn’t. It doesn’t matter.

    The whole point of having teams use their own balls is to give the QB an advantage.

    If it’s going to be like this just go back to having a game ball controlled by the officials like every other sport and stop worrying about this stupidity.

  35. tedmurph | Dec 11, 2016, 8:41 PM EST
    What a shocka! It’s not that there was anything shady going on in the game. It’s that the league is run by a bunch of corrupt liars, that can’t even admit when they KNOW they are wrong. Why do you think the league never released the data on their ‘random’ checks? They already know the truth.

    How stupid do the haters/believers feel now?

    mark4steelers | Dec 11, 2016, 8:42 PM EST

    How stupid do you look for using the grade school term haters..
    Teddy? PSI brings out the mouth breathers wearing their Pat’s colors like a badge of shame…er… I mean honor. Grow up whiners nothing to look at here…except the bleating of paranoid New England trolls.

  36. According to “your team cheats” biggest cheaters:
    #1 Broncos
    #2 Jets
    #3 Steelers
    My Raiders #8
    And everybody’s whipping boys the New England Patriots? #15
    Stealer fans = Hypocrites!

  37. Let me begin by saying I am so over the nonsense that was Deflategate. The fines were paid, the picks not made, and the games missed.

    I’ve moved on. As have the Pats. There performance since the Colts game speaks for itself.

    This new story, however, is going to be interesting, just to see what the league does. Either way I’m sure the NFL will find a way to screw it up.

  38. Goodell didn’t want Brady, he wanted Belichick.

    Couldn’t get him legitimately, so he settled for Brady…illegitimately.

    None of it was, or is, real.

    Please stop with the PSI nonsense.

  39. Oh man.

    Those cheating Steelers, trying to undermine the integrity of the game.

    Roger’s shield of industrial justice is going to come so hard on those Steelers, the whole team, Dan Rooney, and Mean Joe Green are going to end up in a concussion protocol.

    Who does Roethlisberger think he is? Tom Brady?

    Long live justice!
    Long live The Shield!
    Long live Roger!

  40. Everyone around the league knows that the Steelers like underinflated footballs.
    ————————-

    That’s just as much proof as the Colts offered about the Patriots.

    The Colts equipment guys couldn’t identify anyone else who thought this way or who told them that. Wells couldn’t produce any evidence to support “everyone knows” but the league apparently considered that a formal complaint.

  41. Brady was suspended more because of his lack of cooperation with the investigation. The Patriots got heavily fined not due to deflate gate but due to the history of cheating under Belichick.

    Also, why should someone believe something solely from a losing team, get all the facts first. I don’t see this turning into anything.

  42. The case that it was a joke was obvious to any intelligent fan before this. The case against the NFL was even more obvious. But what it will further prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt is the following: HATERS won’t let it go. They’ll make excuses. They’ll deny. They HAVE too. It’s their crutch. ‘Cheating is the reason their team lost to the Pats’. Otherwise, even with the footie PJs, they can’t sleep at night. The truth hurts

  43. Big Ben likes his balls hard. Remind me again, how’d Brady do in the second half of the Colts playoff game back in 2015?

    Goodell and the NFL owners are total hypocrites? Yawn.

    Seriously, rich guys should start a rival league. The NFL passes money instead of gas. The product is way down.

  44. Why is this surprising?

    Steelers are a team based on cheating. Haven’t won since Roid testing.

    Just another method of cheating.

  45. “Also, why should someone believe something solely from a losing team, get all the facts first. I don’t see this turning into anything.”

    So, the Giants are a “losing team” and can’t be trusted, but the Colts, who lost quite badly, were the voice of truth and every wild accusation was taken as the gospel?

  46. it would be cool to see a network such as NBC inflate a bunch of balls to 12.5 before the game, then at halftime show the viewers what the pressure reading is after the balls have cooled. Then again, they’d probably lose their contract for SNF if they pulled a stunt like that. cowards

  47. So do we start calling them the Cheelers now? When is Ben Roethlisberger expected to serve his four-game suspension? And it’s safe to assume Pittsburgh loses their first-round pick for 2017, right?

    The league has already established precedent upon which to rely for this situation…so the league’s response and handling of the situation should be cut and dried. Isn’t that right, Roger?

  48. I have not been in NY for a number of years but I do remember that Park ave is a real place not just a Monoply square .New York ,N Y home of the Yankees and Mets not to mention the Rangers ,Knicks and Nets is in the North East just like Foxboro ,Ma so when the Calendar turns to late fall /early winter the temp drops and sure as death and taxes the air pressure in tires and other such pressure envelops also drops .
    Now I know the average person does not stop and think who the heck let the air out of my tires but rather thinks a nail or it is part of living in a 4 season climate.
    Funny how a rush to judgement and a mob mentality based on nothing more than implicit bias
    tried to take the greatest of all time QB down a notch.In the end the 4 games has shown to be nothing more than 12 game season .
    However, the what the Giants did was to expose what a witch hunt the “Deflategate” investigation.
    There are reasons that the term witch hunt has remained part of our language since 1692 as people were put to death not on facts but what others believed.
    The NFL had a chance in 2015 to measure every ball at every game but chose no to do so .
    It was once said in a matter of great importance regarding -Senator have you no shame

  49. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:15 PM
    The first thing I do when there is an obvious scientific explanation, is rush out to my driveway and crush my cell phone by driving over it.
    _________________________________________
    So I guess that means you are going to lead the witch hunt against the Steelers now too? You are the epitome of a no life jagass. Do the Steelers live in your head now too? I guess there’s no room since the Pats have been camped out in that empty loft since the AFCCG against the Colts.

  50. Has the NFL figured out yet that you have to let the footballs return to the original room temperature before gauging them? If no, these numbers are uninteresting. If yes, then they are pretty damning.
    Regardless, the NFL has no credibility left on this issue. Their inconsistent treatment of the Patriots will always be a stain on Goodell’s record.

  51. How much did Goodell pay TWells not to figure this out? And how much did Wells pay Exponent not to figure it out. Oh, that’s right, it was a bag job from the start. Too bad Wells and Goodell have made way too much money. I’d love to see them both end up chasing ambulances

  52. We will know for sure that the Steelers are cheating if they start winning games.

    That would be proof that they are trying to hide their guilt by beating their opposition even though the balls will now be closely scrutinized.

    And if they win the Super Bowl? Well, then we know they are guilty as sin.

    But Roger can see right through their twisted plans.
    Nothing comes in between Roger and the integrity of the game.

    The Steelers are messing with the wrong the corporate yes-man.

    Roger is wise.
    Roger is all-seeing.
    He has pressure gages
    He has Ted Wells.
    He has the Shield Of Industrial Justice.

    Get’em Roger!!!

  53. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:15 PM
    The first thing I do when there is an obvious scientific explanation, is rush out to my driveway and crush my cell phone by driving over it.
    ———————-
    Except that’s not close to how those events occurred. But the story is about the Steelers cheating, try to stay focused.

  54. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:11 PM

    Brady was suspended more because of his lack of cooperation with the investigation. The Patriots got heavily fined not due to deflate gate but due to the history of cheating under Belichick.

    Also, why should someone believe something solely from a losing team, get all the facts first. I don’t see this turning into anything.

    yeah, why would anyone believe the colts or ravens when both lost to NE.

    look up ironic

  55. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference

    —-

    Except the refs had control of the game balls then, too. They had them in their hands all game long. It was their responsibility to make sure they were properly inflated. And they were specifically told to pay extra attention that day. And they still didn’t see anything until Ryan Grigson came at them, waving an intercepted ball and lying about its significance.

  56. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:40 PM

    If you say PSI it’s like throwing chum in the water to draw sharks…Patriot crybabies flock to this site from the crave….pitiful lot them Cheaties fans…funny autocorrect put the cap on Cheaties….what does that tell you…cheetahs

    tells you you’re panicking

  57. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference
    _________________________________________

    Just one thing wrong with your statement; IT’S NOT TRUE. nothing has changed with who controls the balls. No rules changed, NFL just promised to do random checks…….which they never release because it would prove deflategate was a bunch of BS and they are a bunch of immoral lying d-bags.

  58. Florio is correct on this one. The NFL is avoiding discussion about the effects of cold weather on the footballs.

    Why? because it will reveal what idiots they were for accusing NE of tampering.

    And believe I am no Pats fan. goodell is an idiot.

  59. Interesting how the day this comes out Pigben has one of the worst games of his career don’t you think?

  60. The fail here is almost as strong as the hypocrisy out of the Stealers fanboys. The hang em high deflategate posers are giving themselves cramps backpedaling on this one.
    Hypocrisy, it’s never a good look.

  61. OMG! Some see if there is a urinal or just a sink in the bathroom leading to the tunnel.

    Quick, We should also check the Pittsburgh ball boys texts from last May to see if there’s something amiss!

  62. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls
    ————————–

    Source?

  63. harrisonhits2, I said don’t base it solely on the Giants, get all the facts in before determining anything.

  64. There needs to be a thorough analysis of the Steelers fumbling stats.

    At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that the Steelers were behind their own headset problems.

  65. Stay on it Florio!

    When you always ride in limos you don’t see the dashboard readout of tire psi drop 10% in one night!

    And when you are just plain stupid, you can’t grasp 8th grade physical science.

  66. I find it funny that the big deal in all of this is that it benefits the offense yet both cases involved in the offense turning the ball over multiple times. So much for the benefit I guess

  67. The NFL’s failure to take action on this an acknowledgement that they stole draft picks from the Patriots.

    If the league and an ounce of integrity, these picks would be returned. But we all know that the spineless egomaniac stuffed suit that runs the league is completely devoid of integrity & would never, in a million years do something simply because it was the right thing to do.

    When our long national nightmare is over & Lying Rodger Goodell is removed from office, the NFL (assuming it still exists) is going to have a Soviet style purge of all images & references to the “Commissioner who shall never be named”. Maybe then, justice will be served to the Patriots.

  68. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:49 PM
    harrisonhits2, I said don’t base it solely on the Giants, get all the facts in before determining anything.

    ————-

    ‘Before determining anything’……..you mean like those 4 months between the AFCCG and when the Wells Report was released?

    Lmao.

  69. PFT is read by NFL fans.
    NFL fans are predominantly right wing republicans.
    NFL fans, and NFL owners, support a lying, racist, bigoted, clown show for pres.
    NFL fans also agree with Roger Godawful.
    It is no surprise to see right wing idiots posting uninformed bovine effluent about feeetballz and air pressure…

    ….and my favorite; cheating!

    can you say tRumpster fire?

  70. With Dr. Ryzde gone, Steelers have found a new way to cheat. Explains a lot, like how they won 8 games this year.

  71. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:11 PM

    Brady was suspended more because of his lack of cooperation with the investigation. The Patriots got heavily fined not due to deflate gate but due to the history of cheating under Belichick.
    ————————————

    Except that he cooperated fully, Belichick and the Patriots organization was fully cleared of any alleged wrongdoing, and there is no history of cheating by Belichick or the Patriots.

    The Steelers and Big Ben on the other hand…

  72. jstamper3377 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:17 PM

    The NFL is corrupt beyond belief.
    ——————————————–
    Not anymore. Now I believe it 100%.

  73. 345snarkavenue says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:01 PM
    badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:49 PM
    harrisonhits2, I said don’t base it solely on the Giants, get all the facts in before determining anything.

    ————-

    ‘Before determining anything’……..you mean like those 4 months between the AFCCG and when the Wells Report was released?

    Lmao.

    This has nothing to do with the Patriots. All we know right now is 2 balls that were used in cold weather measured low. We don’t know what they measured prior to the game(likely legally inflated or we would’ve heard about it sooner)or what the balls measured after the game. So yes, let’s wait to hear all the facts…

  74. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:49 PM
    harrisonhits2, I said don’t base it solely on the Giants, get all the facts in before determining anything.
    —————————————————–
    Everyone crucified Tom Brady and the Patriots immediately and, for many, irretrieveably. To this day people are convinced Brady was guilty and refuse to even consider the possibility that they’re wrong. So, although I have sympathy with the idea that people should wait for the facts, the problem is where those “facts” will be coming from. The league office has already proven they can’t be trusted with the truth and this incident underlines that. So, who are you going to believe?

  75. Why don’t they just have game balls. Which are constantly under the supervision of NFL personnel. They all use same ball. Why each team have balls.

  76. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:11 PM

    Lmao.

    This has nothing to do with the Patriots. All we know right now is 2 balls that were used in cold weather measured low. We don’t know what they measured prior to the game(likely legally inflated or we would’ve heard about it sooner)or what the balls measured after the game. So yes, let’s wait to hear all the facts…
    ———————————

    Since the referees are now doing their jobs, the footballs had to have been at least 12.5PSI to start with, and unless the footballs were filled with an ideal gas, and the game was played in a controlled laboratory, the cold weather didn’t matter, at least according to people in Seattle.

  77. I know it won’t happen, but the Pats should be awarded a sandwich pick at the end of the 1rst round to partially make up for this travesty. And if it hurts teams at the top of the 2nd round? Tough. Most other owners signed off on this.

    What a shame it was to see the colts drop to 6-7, after seeing them sign ALuck to a 140 mil contract.

  78. Every article i read about deflategate, makes me more and more angry at Bob kraft for not going nuclear on the nfl and other owners. He has let Roger and the other 31 thief’s completely off the hook.

  79. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 9:49 PM
    harrisonhits2, I said don’t base it solely on the Giants, get all the facts in before determining anything.
    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Like your compatriots did when New England was accused? Let’s face it, the Pats got hosed because the majority of the fans and owners wanted them hosed. Now that the harsh light of flat Earth science is temporarily shining on your team of course we should ‘get all the facts.’ What facts do we need to get that we haven’t had right along? Everyone, including Goodell, knows that under cold weather game conditions PSI drops in a football just like it did in my truck tires last nights. The 2nd Circuit Appeals court didn’t find Brady guilty of anything, it ruled Goodell had the right to do as he pleased. And that’s exactly what will happen here, where it will please him to do nothing. Not even release any of the data from the ‘random’ PSI testing that is obviously a state secret.

  80. mmack66, would like to know what dream world you live in, there has been several incidents that Bill and the Patriots of been involved in. Tom got a new phone and destroyed his old one, knowing phones were being checked from other people involved with it.

    When has Ben been implicated in cheating? Trying to slam him for the money grabs that have no smidge of evidence to back the claims? The only thing that you can pin on this Steeler team that ALL other teams do is Tomlin on the trip…yes it’s likely he knew what he was doing but unless you were in his head you have no way to know for sure.

    switchwitch59, people crucified Tom for the way he handled it. One of the first interviews he looked like a child who got caught doing something wrong and continued to treat it as a joke. With the Patriots, there have been several incidents with them since Belichick got there, so there is already an apperence of wrong doing. Seeing how it took a week for this to even get out tells me there is nothing to see here.

  81. Using Professor Martin Schmalz’s online football pressure calculation tool, 11.4 and 11.8 psi are perfectly reasonable and expected pressures for footballs that had been in the 12.5-13 psi range at 68 degrees and were then cooled into the 40s.

  82. Badger Steeler : during the first interview with TB12, he ,like the rest of Pat’s Country were told 11/12 footballs were 2 PSI under, which we all know now was a LIE! Repeat a LIE.So yeah , Tom looked as confused as the rest of Pat’s nation.
    The bigger question is why did the NFL lie about the PSI levels and why didn’t the NFL correct the erroneous levels??
    There was no tampering!
    Fire Goodell!

  83. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:39 PM
    Seeing how it took a week for this to even get out tells me there is nothing to see here.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    It may tell YOU that but what it tells most of us is they never wanted it to see the light of day.

  84. “The first thing I do when there is an obvious scientific explanation, is rush out to my driveway and crush my cell phone by driving over it.”
    =================================
    Cell phone makers love you. Keep it up.

  85. “Tom got a new phone and destroyed his old one, knowing phones were being checked from other people involved with it.”
    =================================
    The “other” phones were NFL issued phones, Brady’s was his personal phone. They had no right to see it. Goodell refused to turn his personal phone over during the Ray Rice cover up investigation.

  86. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:39 PM

    mmack66, would like to know what dream world you live in, there has been several incidents that Bill and the Patriots of been involved in. Tom got a new phone and destroyed his old one, knowing phones were being checked from other people involved with it.

    When has Ben been implicated in cheating? Trying to slam him for the money grabs that have no smidge of evidence to back the claims? The only thing that you can pin on this Steeler team that ALL other teams do is Tomlin on the trip…yes it’s likely he knew what he was doing but unless you were in his head you have no way to know for sure.

    switchwitch59, people crucified Tom for the way he handled it. One of the first interviews he looked like a child who got caught doing something wrong and continued to treat it as a joke. With the Patriots, there have been several incidents with them since Belichick got there, so there is already an apperence of wrong doing. Seeing how it took a week for this to even get out tells me there is nothing to see here.
    ————————————————
    In Tom’s first interview the only information he had was the same lie everyone else had, that 11 of 12 footballs were 2 PSI underinflated. He had to have been questioning what happened and didn’t want to lie, so didn’t want to say anything too definitive either. In case you never noticed, he always takes the blame for problems on the field instead of throwing others under the bus. So what else can he say, without knowing the true pressure in the footballs? He treated it like a joke because the whole thing is patently ridiculous, unless you are a whiney fan of a team that has been consistently embarrassed by Tom Brady, of course.

    And, again, for the 97000th time, the NFL had no right to ask for Brady’s private phone. The only phones they were looking at were those provided by the team. Stop following that same stupid red herring. It’s annoying.

  87. badgersteelerfan:

    So Ben has turned over his personal cell phone in order to clear this all up…
    So NFL has no right to ask for that…why not unles you’re hiding something, right?
    Yeah and Brady looked so guilty defending against false information, but hey, why should that count. Everyone knows they have a history of cheating, just wish I could detail all of them, oh well, it’s fine enough to just say it… No need to back it up!

  88. yahdoood says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:19 PM

    Somehow some way Goodsmell will figure out a way to pin this on Belichik.
    ——————————–
    Goodsmell??? There isn’t enough perfume in existance to cover the stench emanating from 345 Park Ave.

  89. Do they have video evidence of equipment guys taking them into bathrooms? Do they have text messages from the QB to the equipment guys?
    When that happens sign me up for the QB to get justly punished like cheater Marcia Brady was.

  90. Now would be the perfect time for the NFL to finally release the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season. By releasing the PSI information from the 2015 season the NFL can finally demonstrate their support for the integrity of the game.

    That report would also provide many with a much needed lesson in science when the information shows that footballs always lose PSI when taken outside on cold days.
    If the information shows that footballs always lose PSI on cold days then the NFL can then demonstrate its support of fairness and integrity.

    The NFL can display fairness and integrity by giving the Patriots back their stolen 2016 1st round draft pick. Letting the Patriots have the pick for the 2017 draft. A year late would be better than never. (The pick should be upgraded to the 1st pick in the first round because the Patriots had to wait)

    The NFL can also throw in an extra 1st round pick or two as compensation for making Tom Brady miss 25% of the 2016 season. (Either the 2nd pick in the first round or 2 picks later in the first round).

  91. If it was the Patriots accused, there would be another bogus investigation with more fines, suspensions and lost draft picks. But it’s not so no one at the league office cares.

  92. The great thing about this is the nfl needs no evidence at all, if the X-jet employee’s in charge of the nfl decide they feel like trying to take the steelers down a peg or two they’ll just do it. The precedent has already been set on this story.

  93. I expect to see Big Ben get a comparable 4 game suspension and the owner fined the same as Kraft and loss of draft choicea maybe.

    A cheater is a cheater Big Ben. It was cold when Brady played too.

  94. Source? What’s their name? No charges & refs specifically stating it didnt happen. You truly are a special kind of stupid if you think this is anything more than a deflategate interrested party trying raise the issue again this year. Most likely, one of Kraft’s minions. The choice to accuse Ben just proves they are afraid of facing the Steelers in the playoffs.

  95. Steelers fans, from what I just read (and I KNOW this isn’t all of you) are either one of two things: 1. Hypocrites or 2. Knuckle-dragging cavemen that have not evolved fully. The fact that it isn’t OBVIOUS that something was amiss with regards to the Deflateglate saga should be embarrassing to you, if you consider yourself to be an intelligent human being. Which, goes back to the point I made earlier in this chain…most people in the US are stupid and SEEK out info to support their confirmation bias, while avoiding ALL evidence which contradicts them. And the saddest part, you are likely too ignorant to be self reflective enough to see this in yourself. And, I’m sure it carries into other more impt aspects of your life. So, check yourself.

  96. The NFL has become WWE. They have no integrity. Do they see why TV ratings are down and that some lifelong fans are less of a fan now?

  97. julyeast says:
    Dec 11, 2016 11:48 PM
    Do they have video evidence of equipment guys taking them into bathrooms? Do they have text messages from the QB to the equipment guys?
    When that happens sign me up for the QB to get justly punished like cheater Marcia Brady was.

    ———-

    Can you prove that the intent of both the bathroom trip and the deflator text (and thus the job of the deflatir) was to deflate the Patriots’ balls? What if the plan was to deflate opponents’ balls in order to throw off their QB? 3 of 4 Colts balls were low, and that was after they had a chance to warm some.

  98. December 4, 2016

    New York Giants vs Pittsburgh Steelers

    Game day weather forecast…High 40 degrees/Low 32 degrees…Accuweather

  99. julyeast says:
    Dec 11, 2016 11:48 PM

    Do they have video evidence of equipment guys taking them into bathrooms? Do they have text messages from the QB to the equipment guys?
    When that happens sign me up for the QB to get justly punished like cheater Marcia Brady was.
    ———————————-

    It doesn’t matter. Those footballs were below 12.5PSI, so someone with the Steelers must have let air out of them. Big Ben had to know they were being deflated, because no one would do that without his approval.

  100. badgersteelerfan says:
    Dec 11, 2016 10:39 PM

    mmack66, would like to know what dream world you live in, there has been several incidents that Bill and the Patriots of been involved in. Tom got a new phone and destroyed his old one, knowing phones were being checked from other people involved with it.

    When has Ben been implicated in cheating? Trying to slam him for the money grabs that have no smidge of evidence to back the claims? The only thing that you can pin on this Steeler team that ALL other teams do is Tomlin on the trip…yes it’s likely he knew what he was doing but unless you were in his head you have no way to know for sure.
    ——————————–

    I live in the real world, where the Patriots broke an ambiguous rule in 2007, and that is it.

    I find it hard to believe that Big Ben paid off a couple of ladies, and then accepted a 6-game suspension, later reduced to 4-games, for absolutely no reason.

    ALL the other teams try to trip players? That’s news to me. The Jets are the only other team I have heard of that tried that stunt.

    Hey look, there’s the Jets again, cheating.

  101. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM

    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference
    __________________________________
    Explain this since you are all knowing, what caused the Steelers balls to be deflated? In your small mind, it can be what caused the Steelers footballs to be come deflated, SCIENCE!
    Funny how high and mighty Steelers fans are when they have a coach who interfered with a live play and the Steelers team doctor was busted by the feds in 2011 for distributing PED’s. Steelers fans live in glass houses!

  102. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference

    ——–

    officials have control of the balls until just before game time, when the balls are distributed to each team’s ball crew.

  103. that’s what you think,

    Why don’t we hire another 5 million dollar investigator to find out!

    For all we know there was a breach in that chain of command.

    The difference is in the presumption of innocence for the Steelers, versus a far reaching and ridiculous assumption of guilt for the Patriots with no real evidence

  104. Pats and Steelers both cheated. Rapist should have to serve his suspension immediately and the Steelers should have to pony up those draft picks. Not everyone can have a class organization like Baltimore.

  105. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM

    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference

    ——————————————————————
    Too funny…
    This poster seems to be claiming that everyone that is not a Patriots fan believes that the weather will affect footballs differently depending on who carries the bag from the locker room to the field.

  106. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM

    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference
    ——————————————————————
    You just proved that Tom Brady is innocent.
    So the Steelers footballs that were controlled by the Refs deflated due to the weather?

    But millions of dopes said that the Patriots footballs could not have deflated unless “deflator” stuck a needle in them in the bathroom. The same millions of dopes that didn’t notice that the Colts footballs were also deflated.

  107. Do they have video evidence of equipment guys taking them into bathrooms? Do they have text messages from the QB to the equipment guys?
    —————–

    We don’t know because the NFL has not and, apparently, will not request that information.

    Let’s see videotape evidence that the officials escorted the footballs to the field.

    Let’s see all the texts and emails from the equipment guys, Ben Roethlisberger and other pertinent Pittsburgh staff and coaches from the past year. If you review them with the assumption that they are guilty of tampering, I will guarantee you find something incriminating in there.

    The real question is, why isn’t the NFL investigating this? What are they covering up?

  108. flaccojumpball says:
    Dec 12, 2016 10:54 AM

    Pats and Steelers both cheated. Rapist should have to serve his suspension immediately and the Steelers should have to pony up those draft picks. Not everyone can have a class organization like Baltimore.
    ===

    Yea Terrell Suggs and Ray Lewis are real classy individuals. Just don’t bring up bleach or suits around them.

  109. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:15 PM
    The first thing I do when there is an obvious scientific explanation, is rush out to my driveway and crush my cell phone by driving over it.
    =========================
    Or ignore the logs from the phone that “supposedly” proves a master scheme to deflate footballs (that inexplicably includes the balls in Minnesota and now Pittsburgh).

  110. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:25 PM
    Can someone clarify one thing for me – did the equipment handler (who disappeared into a locked bathroom with the Pats game balls) quit or was he fired after taking the fall for Brady and the Patriots organization? And, has anyone checked his lifestyle since his departure? If it were me, I’d want a big paycheck for taking the hit for that deed. Otherwise, I’d be singing like a canary.
    ===============================
    Apparently he is on the Steelers payroll as well?

  111. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:40 PM
    If you say PSI it’s like throwing chum in the water to draw sharks…Patriot crybabies flock to this site from the crave….pitiful lot them Cheaties fans…funny autocorrect put the cap on Cheaties….what does that tell you…cheetahs
    ===================
    Except now we can add the Steelers to the list of cheating teams.

  112. Since the NFL has already admitted balls don’t deflate naturally shouldn’t there be some type of investigation trying to find out where the air went?

  113. “It doesn’t matter what the PSI of the footballs were. How do you explain “the deflator”?”

    Um – no one needs to explain that. The footballs were never deflated. Case closed.

    It’s kindof tough to prosecute for murder when the victim walks into the courtroom alive and well.

    Give it up Hatriots

  114. julyeast says:
    Dec 11, 2016 11:48 PM
    Do they have video evidence of equipment guys taking them into bathrooms? Do they have text messages from the QB to the equipment guys?
    When that happens sign me up for the QB to get justly punished like cheater Marcia Brady was.
    ==========================
    Wouldn’t one need an investigation to get that information?

    Errrr …. hrrmmmm

  115. fireroger says:
    Dec 13, 2016 3:21 PM
    To all of the “much ado about nothing” crew …

    Every … single … Patriots … fan … agrees.

    ———-

    So true, however, not to be confused with the crank worthiness of it.

  116. @Craven

    You are factually incorrect. Brady said he replaced the phone on the day of the Wells interview, because it was broken. Goodell was the one that claimed Brady destroyed it, Brady never said he did that, and there is no documentation of that. They never even saw the phone, so they really have no idea what it’s condition was, only what Brady told them. Furthermore, there is nothing that states when it broke. You are imagining it happened on the day of the Wells interview based solely on Goodell’s made up claimy that Brady destroyed it.

  117. 5+ million dollars to determine if the Patriots broke the ball protocol or not. One phone call to the Steelers to determine the exact same thing.

    Just sayin’

  118. Since October 2015, Goodell has known for certain that Brady & the Pats are completely innocent.

    That’s when the first “cold weather” pressure data began arriving from the NFL program to monitor pressure in all teams’ balls during the 2015 season. That data proves that every football for every team “deflates” on exactly the same temperature & water exposure schedule as did both the Pats (& Colts) balls in the 2014 AFC CC game.

    Rather than acknowledge what every scientist & engineer in the country knows for certain (that “the NFL & the media are utterly clueless about this trivially simple issue”), Goodell chose to keep this information secret. In Feb 2016, Goodell then re-instated his witch-hunt against Brady & the Pats organization … that he KNEW was baseless & unjust.

    Goodell should be “banned for life” from ever again uttering the word “integrity”. And fired as Commish, of course.

    I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop in this story: the realization that Wells, Reisner, Karp & the Exponent engineers LIED THRU THEIR TEETH when they intentionally manipulated the data in order to give Wells the “guilty” verdict that he wanted.

  119. So, let me get this straight. If the NFL says that the custody of the footballs is not in question. And that the footballs were lower than the psi should legally be. Then one must conclude that the natural gas law is real.
    The NFL is screwed one way or the other now.

  120. jaxxboss says:
    Dec 14, 2016 1:02 PM
    So, let me get this straight. If the NFL says that the custody of the footballs is not in question.
    ==============================
    To clarify, it took millions of dollars and months of time to determine that same question during Deflategate. This time the NFL can determine it with a single phone call.

    The bottom line is the NFL is asking the free world to take them on their word that the custody of the footballs in Pit were not in question. Full stop.

  121. bannedfromchoirpractice says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:25 PM
    Can someone clarify one thing for me – did the equipment handler (who disappeared into a locked bathroom with the Pats game balls) quit or was he fired after taking the fall for Brady and the Patriots organization? And, has anyone checked his lifestyle since his departure? If it were me, I’d want a big paycheck for taking the hit for that deed. Otherwise, I’d be singing like a canary.

    ——————————

    He was fired, no free paychecks no nothing, and I would be singing too if there was a song to sing. Apparently there isnt.

  122. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference

    —————————-
    Not true, I’m sure Pats fans see that difference too. But what is notable about that difference is the same end result. It got cold out and balls started turning up deflated.

    Pittsburg is every bit as innocent of tampering as NE was.

  123. After paying the million dollar fine Bob Kraft had earned it back by the following Thursday.

    Through trades, good pickups of players that were not doing as well for other teams as they do for the Patriots, and trading down to get more late round hidden gems, the draft pick loss has been absorbed and the Patriots appear to be as strong as ever.

    Tom Brady was forced to watch his team go 3-1 while chilling out on a beach in Southern Italy with a supermodel.

    The Patriots currently lead the AFC and are favored to stay that way and also favored to win it all.

    Boy, we sure showed them!!!

    Pittsburg is the team considered by most to have the best chance of upsetting the Patriots on the above. Unless of course Goodell wants to choose this moment to try undermining them. Yeah that makes sense.

  124. dirt2013 says:
    Dec 11, 2016 8:55 PM
    Then – Pats had control of the game balls

    Now – Refs have control of game balls

    Everyone but Pats fans see the difference
    ==============================
    The refs do not have any more control over the balls than they did originally. The only thing changed from Framegate were periodic PSI checks. That’s it. To suggest the refs have more controls is a feeble attempt at absolving the NFL from doing what everybody in the free world knows they should be doing.

  125. DEFLATEGATE 1

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    Since the end of the first half of the game in question: Brady 68 Touchdowns, 12 Interceptions; AFC Championship WIN; Super Bowl WIN; and helped his team win enough games to play in the last year’s AFC Championship game, plus 11 wins this year.

    DEFLATEGATE FACTS:
    During 19 January, 2015 (day after AFC Championship Game), an official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”

    That statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated. Who from the NFL office directed to stop testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs???

    2. FACT: The NFL has finally admitted that they DID NOT know anything about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL). That admission is incredible!

    3. FACT: Brady was found guilty by the NFL office based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report).

    4. What would you do if someone in your family was accused and deemed guilty based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report)? Could you accept that???

    5. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… Would you provide your cell phone to folks that you know are not truthful (19 Jan. letter)???

    6. FACT: NFL announces creation of PSI rules shortly before leaking story that Brady “destroys” phone. Thus, the public quickly forgets the NFL admits they had no PSI rules or knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law.

    7. This is AMERICA and King Roger and Troy Vincent are NOT bigger than our great Country! The Missouri Supreme Court, in a separate case, stated in May, 2015: …. “the terms of the contract designating the NFL commissioner, an employee of the team owners, as the sole arbitrator with unfettered discretion to establish the rules for arbitration are unconscionable and, therefore, unenforceable”.

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

  126. IMO, Deflategate has been a huge contributor to the NFL’s loss of viewers.

    It’s been a huge stain on the NFL.

  127. Roger Goodell is simply a slim ball..Zero integrity to use such tactics as his latest explanation…He must think we are all dumb beer guzzling fools to actually believe his latest marshmallow covered comments..It was about ball pressure remember Roger? There should be a ball pressure cam at every stadium so we can constantly see how the weather affects these precious NFL untampered balls! Roger you make me sick!

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